View Full Version : One reason I was able to convince my entire family to get a PS3 for (that's 5 PS3s)
Not just my family but also the extended families.
That reason is to be able to do the best video chat with 5 other people that you can possibly do on any machine out.
The video chat feature is really amazing. You can have upto 6 people and the video doesn't run at 2 frames per second. It is, apparently, only limited by your bandwidth because it's almost streaming at around 30fps and probably more if with the PlayStationEye.
So I wasn't able to convince them to get it for the games...they don't like games but when they heard that you can video chat with your family members across the globe with a bluetooth headset while doing your regular day chores? It doesn't get better than this. Not to mention what we can do with Home. As parents, sometimes you can't see your kids everyday if they live far away but you can meet them virtually and play a few games of pool or bowl while listening to music and sharing family videos. No PC, console, phone or any other high-tech device can do this with this much integration.
That reason ALONE makes it worth it for my family. They wanted to get it right now but I stopped them and said that it would be best when it goes down in price since they're not going to be using all of its features.
So they're not buying it right now but they will in a year or two. My two brothers might get some games or movies for it too but probably not my mom.
My cousin already has one and another cousin's mom that I convinced but that was for its media features and she couldn't believe it so she bought one for $600, 5 months ago. Another cousin that's waiting for the price to go down and he has a bravia waiting for this console to play games and movies.
Once the price goes down to $300, a lot of these people will get a PS3 just for little features like these. Of course the attach rate will be horrible but who cares lol. Maybe these people will get some blu-ray movies 5 years down the road. Regardless of what they do, this machine will sell to people who are looking for convenience and it gives you a lot of that.
I would have convinced them to buy a PC instead. It can do all that they want to do with the PS3 and it is a little more practical.
but hey to each his own. Congratulations I guess.
.:DJ LeO:.
10-26-2007, 18:40
the playstation brand has some pretty harcore gamers that can buy maybe 20+ games a year, so with that kind of people the attach rate wont go down, dont be afraid of that :lol:
and Nut_Man the interface of PS3 its a lot easier than using a PC for some people, and a lot cheaper too... so those are strong reasons
the playstation brand has some pretty harcore gamers that can buy maybe 20+ games a year, so with that kind of people the attach rate wont go down, dont be afraid of that :lol:
and Nut_Man the interface of PS3 its a lot easier than using a PC for some people, and a lot cheaper too... so those are strong reasons
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
I would have convinced them to buy a PC instead. It can do all that they want to do with the PS3 and it is a little more practical.
but hey to each his own. Congratulations I guess.
Excellent point but why do you assume that they already don't have a computer? LOL. Everyone in my family has a computer of their own. They don't use it for communication! They never have!
They won't even touch it. I know PC can be practical in some cases but even when you look at PC, it's much hard to get to that spot and they don't have a wireless headset which makes it inconvenient. PCs are still not very user-friendly. This is where console is taking control and I am beginning to see why Sony wanted to make a console that can do more than just gaming.
$300 is a price they're willing to pay for just the communication part. You can't find me a program on PC without paying tons of money that can do 6-person video chat without any sound breakup or video lag. Just not possible on today's PCs at the moment!
Home is another great example that's just not possible on PCs right now. Even if it is, it won't be at the same quality since Home can output high-def content from within the program while you're roaming around. There's no high-tech device out there that can do all of this in such integration. (sharing movies, music, communication, mini-games etc.)
You have a good point but PC is just not good enough yet, and not user-friendly enough yet.
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
Then I'm guessing you feel sorry for most of your elders. You're not getting the point here. PC is user-friendly but that's for us younger generation. These oldies don't even wanna touch computer to get some use out of it. They won't even watch a freaking movie on it! Everything has to be on the couch and with the touch of a few buttons without much interruption. PC can have interruptions and it's not always the same experience on every startup. Sometimes you get the blue screen out of nowhere :P
the playstation brand has some pretty harcore gamers that can buy maybe 20+ games a year, so with that kind of people the attach rate wont go down, dont be afraid of that :lol:
Sure but I think by the end of this generation. The amount of people that bought 360/Wii/PS3 and didn't even get it for games...PS3 will probably have the largest number in that category.
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
YES until the first virus they gets wipes out the boot sector how many
would panic when something like that happens :D PC aint easy to use for
lots of people ,have fixed plenty in the last 3-5 yrs to know that.
Rob
Cool man.And I think it's a good work you've done there on convincing them on this,because they look like it's needed for them to have the Playstation 3 to do this,so they'll feel happy to have such a good console to do these awesome things for them:)
Video chat example on PC.
User1: I'm going to turn on plug in my web camera so we can do a video chat.
User2: Ok. I've got mine plugged in.
User1: ****, I plugged it into the wrong USB port, it needs to reinstall the software....hang on.... ahhh ****, now I need to reboot. BRB.
.
...
....
.....
User1 is now online.
User1: Hey....
User2: Ok let's do this.
....
...
User2: did you invite me to see your cam?
User1: Yeah - did you?
Iser 2: Yeah, can't you see it?
User1: No, can you not see mine?
User2: No, maybe if we log out and in again.
User1: Ok.
.
..
...
....
*both online again*
User1: Ok sending video call request.
*ringing*
*user 2 picks up*
User1: Cool :) :) :)
*call connects*
User1: Ok I'm going to talk now instead of type.... "CRRRSSSHHN YRRRHRHOU HHHRRRRSSCCHEAR ME"
User2: "Sorry? (Orry orry orry orry)"
User1: "Hrrssshey.... I crrrhhhhan seeerreeee you whhhy a a a a assshhhrn't you moshhhoving?"
*Video call connection lost, please try again*
User2: **** THIS! I'm phoning you.
User1: ok
plustheharm
10-26-2007, 19:58
lol, that is pretty funny dude. so they don't plan on gaming, just video chatting? hey, good enough for me!!!
lol, that is pretty funny dude. so they don't plan on gaming, just video chatting? hey, good enough for me!!!
lol I know I hate this too but hey, if it's gonna sell then let it sell!
Video chat example on PC.
User1: I'm going to turn on plug in my web camera so we can do a video chat.
User2: Ok. I've got mine plugged in.
User1: ****, I plugged it into the wrong USB port, it needs to reinstall the software....hang on.... ahhh ****, now I need to reboot. BRB.
.
...
....
.....
User1 is now online.
User1: Hey....
User2: Ok let's do this.
....
...
User2: did you invite me to see your cam?
User1: Yeah - did you?
Iser 2: Yeah, can't you see it?
User1: No, can you not see mine?
User2: No, maybe if we log out and in again.
User1: Ok.
.
..
...
....
*both online again*
User1: Ok sending video call request.
*ringing*
*user 2 picks up*
User1: Cool :) :) :)
*call connects*
User1: Ok I'm going to talk now instead of type.... "CRRRSSSHHN YRRRHRHOU HHHRRRRSSCCHEAR ME"
User2: "Sorry? (Orry orry orry orry)"
User1: "Hrrssshey.... I crrrhhhhan seeerreeee you whhhy a a a a assshhhrn't you moshhhoving?"
*Video call connection lost, please try again*
User2: **** THIS! I'm phoning you.
User1: ok
Oh yea I remember this lol, I realized I needed to buy a new computer when this happened to me. Apparently my computer couldn't even handle voice/video at the same time. Had a PIII.
+rep for the laugh.
PC is user-friendly but that's for us younger generation. These oldies don't even wanna touch computer to get some use out of it. They won't even watch a freaking movie on it! Everything has to be on the couch and with the touch of a few buttons without much interruption.A game controller is probably more frightening than a mouse and keyboard. Oh, and my "elders" do know how to use a computer. Except for my 85 year old great grandmother, but then again she doesnt really do anything.
Video chat example on PC.
User1: I'm going to turn on plug in my web camera so we can do a video chat.
User2: Ok. I've got mine plugged in.
User1: ****, I plugged it into the wrong USB port, it needs to reinstall the software....hang on.... ahhh ****, now I need to reboot. BRB.
Lol itd be more like this:
User 1: It says I need to plug it into a USB
User 2: Whats a USB?
User 1: Is it like USA?
User 2: I think so
User 2: Try pressing that button thingy that looks like a triangle. Maybe it does something
convulsion
10-26-2007, 20:11
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
The PS3 is far above it's competitors it is a home entertainment system.
A game controller is probably more frightening than a mouse and keyboard. Oh, and my "elders" do know how to use a computer. Except for my 85 year old great grandmother, but then again she doesnt really do anything.
Dude the nintendo wiimote is actually dangerous (they needed straps for it) and look how much people love it lol. It's not the controller they're afraid of or the mouse/keyboard, it's the inconvenience. Trust me on this, convenience beats anything.
People would rather take a risk where they can die in a crash than take a bus across the state. Then again walking is better than the bus too lol but the point is that people prefer convenience over a lot of things.
Now if their computer turned on and the Yahoo messenger was built-in so it was always accessible without doing squat and all they had to do was click a couple of times to start a video chat with 5 other people....err wait, that's just like the PS3, NEVER MIND.
FifthFantasy
10-26-2007, 20:29
Hey, this sounds a lot like that thread in the 360 section, expect for the fact that, that poster really did sell some 360's. ;)
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=106014 (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=106014)
Hey, this sounds a lot like that thread in the 360 section, expect for the fact that person really did sell some 360's. :???:
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=106014 (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=106014)
Ha-ha glad some one else noticed that :)
spazchicken
10-26-2007, 20:36
I was thinking of this as well because it's "free long distance "....but I don't think that my mom will shell out $400 :(
and with all the problems of blue-tooth..my mom would go crazy becuase the mic wouldn't work half of the time...but of course theres PSeye now :mrgreen: Maybe I'll give here on for a present someday...hmmm
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
Some people are just like that. My bf's mom doesn't know one thing about her computer though she's had it for a couple yeras now...but yet she knows how to play videogames just fine(my bf's old xbox).
my mom's handicapped and doesn't have alot of feeling in her hands/fingers and it would be better if she had just a few buttons to press and able to sit down in her couch.
spazchicken
10-26-2007, 20:40
dammit...I double posted :/
Playpearl
10-26-2007, 22:50
The bluetooh in Warhawk is any good, or do we need to buy a better one?
Never use that application in my PS3, as a matter of fact, never used the online application, only to down load games. Has never play yet on line.
Ps. By the way, the one that said that he feel sorry for people that doesn't know how to used a comp. You don't have to feel sorry for my parents. Maybe i fell sorry for yours, that life in a sorry *** city while mines life in a Caribbean island, near a big city, but not in it(in the woods), with no neiborghs and less than 10min drive to the beaches. No need for a computer for them or to learn how to used tehm, just there celphones.
thats awesome that they are geting all PS3'S .. now u can share games..
BoOGieM0nst3r
10-26-2007, 23:23
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
why would you feel sorry for them? because they don't have time to sit in front of a computer all day or know all the "1337" ****?
some people just don't give a **** about computers, and im sure they don't "need" you or anyone to feel "sorry" for them. im sure they don't even "need" a computer, unlike people out there who feel they "need" ps3s, ipods, cellphones, xbox's, ps3's....
armalite15
10-26-2007, 23:28
the playstation brand has some pretty harcore gamers that can buy maybe 20+ games a year, so with that kind of people the attach rate wont go down, dont be afraid of that :lol:
and Nut_Man the interface of PS3 its a lot easier than using a PC for some people, and a lot cheaper too... so those are strong reasons
I agree my pops said his Xbox is sometimes hard to use especially the interface. so he gets on my ps3 and plays GRAW2 online.
Your story you gave us is weird, are you sure they will go through with it? I'm trying to convince my Dad to get one for the blu-ray playing features but i don't think anyone I know would use a PS3 for webcam features.
Your story you gave us is weird, are you sure they will go through with it? I'm trying to convince my Dad to get one for the blu-ray playing features but i don't think anyone I know would use a PS3 for webcam features.
Think about it this way. They pay a lot for long distance every month and sometimes they have to restrict their communication and wait until night so the minutes aren't getting used. They will end up paying that much within a few months anyway so why not have a phone-like service that you can use JUST LIKE A CORDLESS PHONE (due to bluetooth that my brothers already own for their phones) from home because that's where they usually call from anyway unless in special circumstances.
You add all that up and of course they know about the other features so sure they're not just buying it for the video chat feature but it is the main reason. Yes, they know about the media features as well which they love but this is what sold it to them!
technology; it looks like a regular people no longer need an x86pc to do stuffs.
we are seeing a new trend here, similar to people use smartphone as a pc; play music, video and pictures.
good bye x86pc we will miss you, windows too.
Sony Pizza
10-27-2007, 03:19
Okay. I guess we're supposed to feel happy for you?
Majinvagitta
10-27-2007, 03:35
$500 for video chat? seems like a waste of time/money to me.
money yes, time no, lots of people dont have time to learn how to use/install/driver/troubleshoot a 86pc =)
Majinvagitta
10-27-2007, 03:52
money yes, time no, lots of people dont have time to learn how to use/install/driver/troubleshoot a 86pc =)
installing software and drivers is a 2 minute procedure. they still have to read the instructions doing it via PS3.
2 minute is not bad! it will took 3 days course for a regular person to learn how to use an 86pc.
$500 for video chat? seems like a waste of time/money to me.
Did you actually read my whole post?
And what instructions you're talking about lol. My parents don't even know how to install a program. My brothers learned how to do it like a year ago or something. They usually asked me to do it.
Majinvagitta
10-27-2007, 04:06
2 minute is not bad! it will took 3 days course for a regular person to learn how to use an 86pc.
im not sure how well someone who is technology illiterate would handle a console, id imagine they would have the same problems.
im not sure how well someone who is technology illiterate would handle a console, id imagine they would have the same problems.
Two things, first you gotta reply to my post above yours XD second, you do know that the video chat can be done in a matter of seconds after turning on the console right? You don't even have to turn on a program or sign on or any of that crap. You automatically sign on, you goto the far right side of your XMB, takes like 2 button hits to the right, then you choose whoever you wanna chat with, then click on video chat. That's it!
Sure that's almost like what it is on PC for the rest of us but trust me. When you show it to these people who hate doing it on computer, you realize that even eliminating a few steps makes them wanna do this.
Rule number one in business, you make a product that's supposed to be better than before, first thing you do is to make it more convenient than the last one. Common sense really.
djhazardous
10-27-2007, 04:42
Wow, your family sound oh so cool!
Wow. Way to go on totally putting words in my mouth. Knowing "1337 speak" and being totally knowledgable about everything regarding computers is WAY different from what I was saying, which is that I...
DontTakeSides
10-27-2007, 08:10
Seriously, my dad is almost 70 and he had no problem picking up MSN Messenger video chat 2 years ago. And he's not a techie. If your family has THAT much problem with a PC, then maybe technology isn't the way for them.
technology is not limited to 86pc.
a lot of people in my place never had or used a pc, but uses smartphones, and they used it like a pc. i guess its the same if some people will just use the ps3 as a computer because its just simpler and easier.
Seriously, my dad is almost 70 and he had no problem picking up MSN Messenger video chat 2 years ago. And he's not a techie. If your family has THAT much problem with a PC, then maybe technology isn't the way for them.
I think people are forgetting that PS3 video chat is several times better than PC (you can do 6 people at once, which is what wowed them firstly) and also it has much less lag in video and no lag at all in voice. Something that PC is plagued with. So it's not just the convenience or how integrated it is, it's the fact that it's just not possible on anything else out right now!
Why do you people keep assuming that they just don't know how to do it. They KNOW how to do it, they just don't do it because IT IS NOT CON-VEN-IEN-T.
Someone please look up that mysterious word.
Not just my family but also the extended families.
That reason is to be able to do the best video chat with 5 other people that you can possibly do on any machine out.
The video chat feature is really amazing. You can have upto 6 people and the video doesn't run at 2 frames per second. It is, apparently, only limited by your bandwidth because it's almost streaming at around 30fps and probably more if with the PlayStationEye.
Sorry, I don't want to rain on your parade, but you are convincing people to get a PS3 based on a feature that nobody has actually used yet. Sure, it will probably manage 6 feeds at once with stutter, but if you are expecting 30fps video between 6 people...I doubt you'll get that regardless of your bandwidth. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but this won't be the first time we've been promised something and it not deliver.
I'm also curious as to what hardware/software people are using with their PC, because I've never had any problems with video chat on the PC.
Bostonmess
10-27-2007, 12:24
Some people fear the the pc. I suppose they see all those shortcuts and quick launches and just crap 'em. Mine's set up by me, so I basically know what everything does. However if I were to show my mum how to do a webchat with a webcam, she wouldn't let me. I've tried stuff before. My dad has a pc and he's ok on it, but try and get my mum to use it to talk to my brother on the other side of the world: you've got no chance.
Enter the PS3. It's on the Tv. Turn it on. Change channel. XMB is really obvious. Everything is there.
Of course, there's no way my Mum or Dad are going to buy a PS3 for 300 quid just to do the internet chat stuff. I presume the person on the other end requires a PS3 too? Which I don't think they have.
However, it can be another handy feature if you've got one or are thinking of getting one.
Edit:
Just thinking. You're watching Tv from your PS3 Play Tv PVR thingy. Message pops up. Video call from whoever. PS3 pauses Tv, you go into the video chat, say you stuff, hang up and the Tv resumes from where you were. Cool. If they get stuff like this happening.
However, you're playing a game and recording a TV show. Doesn't sound likely. I hope tyou can use an external HDD so it doesn't interfere with your gaming. Would it? Could you?
Tears of Ash
10-27-2007, 16:53
I suppose that does make sense. I think my family would have an easier time using the PS3 than they would have attempting to download a program and mess with settings, etc.
Though my mom would probably feigh ignorance if I were to teach her how to use the PS3 video chat because she doesn't like video games so she'd be like, "Oh this is related to videogames, here's a chance to be spiteful!"
My grandmother and stepdad would probably understand the PS3 w/o me even telling them anything.
MossadAgentO
10-27-2007, 17:12
Got proof =P show us some pics lol j/k
Sorry, I don't want to rain on your parade, but you are convincing people to get a PS3 based on a feature that nobody has actually used yet. Sure, it will probably manage 6 feeds at once with stutter, but if you are expecting 30fps video between 6 people...I doubt you'll get that regardless of your bandwidth. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but this won't be the first time we've been promised something and it not deliver.
I'm also curious as to what hardware/software people are using with their PC, because I've never had any problems with video chat on the PC.
Good point. Most haven't used this feature, correct. But it does work very good. The 30fps is very much possible I believe since one of our friend started to show us what he was watching on TV and it was very smooth with only a few hitches from time to time. That is already way better than PC video chat since that's usually not more than 5fps.
It might not be the bandwidth, it might just be the software but , still, the results were much better than what I've seen on the PC with one-to-one video chat. Now, only a few of us had an eyetoy on so we were only able to see two videos run relatively smooth. So yea, I can't say if it's the same at 6 people chatting but then again, if you notice the KBps on everyone, they're usually not even over 70 and go upto 110. So again, it might just be the software that's not efficient yet but those hitches aren't that much noticeable and they're definitely much better than what the PC offers.
Now you mentioned that you have no problem with your PC video chat. Well, that's not what I was really saying, sure I had issues with voice chat while video being on but that was a long time ago when I had a PIII. Now, it works great but my mother thinks that the PS3 video chat is more convenient since it's being broadcast on the TV. She doesn't like to sit on a computer chair and turn on the program, sign on etc etc. This isn't just my mom either, there are a lot of people that have the same issue, they just don't think it's convenient yet.
Another thing about the PC video chat is that there aren't really any programs out there that would have multiple video chats at once. Also, everyone prefers the scenario that you're watching movies, music, and then video chatting from the same spot. It's much easier to do so than the computer. My mother never likes to watch movies on the PC, she hardly listens to music on there, and the only times she has video chatted is when someone sets it up for her.
It's not that she doesn't know how to do it. It's more like, well, I don't wanna learn all of that when I have other things to worry about as well. People like me are on the computer all the times so it's convenient for me to do everything on the computer. I love Yahoo call feature but I only do that with one friend and I'm doing multiple tasks while chatting so that's more towards what I want. My mom, on the other hand, wants to talk to everyone at the same time. Like, both my brothers and myself. So let's say, in about a year or so when PS3 is at around $300, with all movies, music and video chat with all family at once, you don't think it's worth it? My mom thinks so! :)
As far as my cousin, he's just waiting for a good deal on the 80GB (he won't go with the 40GB for some reason lol) but he's getting it for what it is, games, movies, and Home.
Got proof =P show us some pics lol j/k
What pics XD
Some people fear the the pc. I suppose they see all those shortcuts and quick launches and just crap 'em. Mine's set up by me, so I basically know what everything does. However if I were to show my mum how to do a webchat with a webcam, she wouldn't let me. I've tried stuff before. My dad has a pc and he's ok on it, but try and get my mum to use it to talk to my brother on the other side of the world: you've got no chance.
Enter the PS3. It's on the Tv. Turn it on. Change channel. XMB is really obvious. Everything is there.
Of course, there's no way my Mum or Dad are going to buy a PS3 for 300 quid just to do the internet chat stuff. I presume the person on the other end requires a PS3 too? Which I don't think they have.
However, it can be another handy feature if you've got one or are thinking of getting one.
Edit:
Just thinking. You're watching Tv from your PS3 Play Tv PVR thingy. Message pops up. Video call from whoever. PS3 pauses Tv, you go into the video chat, say you stuff, hang up and the Tv resumes from where you were. Cool. If they get stuff like this happening.
However, you're playing a game and recording a TV show. Doesn't sound likely. I hope tyou can use an external HDD so it doesn't interfere with your gaming. Would it? Could you?
You're going in too much detail there lol, I wouldn't know much about that. But my guess is that you probably won't be able to do multitasks while doing PVR especially during the game. Maybe outside the game but definitely not possible during the game.
I suppose that does make sense. I think my family would have an easier time using the PS3 than they would have attempting to download a program and mess with settings, etc.
Exactly, I completely forgot about that. You have to get your headset to work, you have to do it each time you plug it out and back in.
Though my mom would probably feigh ignorance if I were to teach her how to use the PS3 video chat because she doesn't like video games so she'd be like, "Oh this is related to videogames, here's a chance to be spiteful!"
My grandmother and stepdad would probably understand the PS3 w/o me even telling them anything.Yup, I would have the same problem, my family makes fun of me since I'm always talking about games lol but they have all seen the PS3 in action and everyone is wowed by it so it's much easier for me to tell them what it could do. Now, for those who think I'm screwing my family over since PS3 is not selling well or something, well, my mom isn't going to buy games for it. My brothers might rent a few but they're not game buyers either but I don't think it's a bad thing at all when they'll be saving hundreds of dollars on long distance and this is better than a mere phone call (especially since all of them have a bluetooth except my mother). With all of us chatting at once, it can't get better than this. On top of it, it gives them the best HD player that they might end up using later on!
I don't see this as something that's bad for them financially but probably bad for Sony lol because if we can get this machine at around $300, for the features that they will end up using, it's a steal! (saving them money in the end)
Okay. I guess we're supposed to feel happy for you?
No lol that's not the point.
Bostonmess
10-28-2007, 01:17
You're going in too much detail there lol, I wouldn't know much about that. But my guess is that you probably won't be able to do multitasks while doing PVR especially during the game. Maybe outside the game but definitely not possible during the game.
I know it's not something that will be up and running when it's released, I'm just thinking how cool it would be if they could write some firmware. I also heard it said that the PS3 still has an idle (SPE or two) or whatever they're called, and like I say: I've no idea what I'm on about, I was just thinking they might be able to use it for other functions while you game. No chance?
multitasking makes it more complicated. power users enjoy, average users hate.
inter_112678
10-28-2007, 02:18
Not just my family but also the extended families.
That reason is to be able to do the best video chat with 5 other people that you can possibly do on any machine out.
The video chat feature is really amazing. You can have upto 6 people and the video doesn't run at 2 frames per second. It is, apparently, only limited by your bandwidth because it's almost streaming at around 30fps and probably more if with the PlayStationEye.
So I wasn't able to convince them to get it for the games...they don't like games but when they heard that you can video chat with your family members across the globe with a bluetooth headset while doing your regular day chores? It doesn't get better than this. Not to mention what we can do with Home. As parents, sometimes you can't see your kids everyday if they live far away but you can meet them virtually and play a few games of pool or bowl while listening to music and sharing family videos. No PC, console, phone or any other high-tech device can do this with this much integration.
That reason ALONE makes it worth it for my family. They wanted to get it right now but I stopped them and said that it would be best when it goes down in price since they're not going to be using all of its features.
So they're not buying it right now but they will in a year or two. My two brothers might get some games or movies for it too but probably not my mom.
My cousin already has one and another cousin's mom that I convinced but that was for its media features and she couldn't believe it so she bought one for $600, 5 months ago. Another cousin that's waiting for the price to go down and he has a bravia waiting for this console to play games and movies.
Once the price goes down to $300, a lot of these people will get a PS3 just for little features like these. Of course the attach rate will be horrible but who cares lol. Maybe these people will get some blu-ray movies 5 years down the road. Regardless of what they do, this machine will sell to people who are looking for convenience and it gives you a lot of that.
Hah funny, they could have bought a cheap $299 PC and a little cam and headset, and do the same thing on that cheap PC for a much lower price, and the PC can do more than the ps3. Why would you convince them to get a ps3 just so they can talk to everyone or w/e when they could do the same thing for alot less?
And they could play a few games of pool and share music and videos on a PC to, all you really need is the internet for all of that.
I know it's not something that will be up and running when it's released, I'm just thinking how cool it would be if they could write some firmware. I also heard it said that the PS3 still has an idle (SPE or two) or whatever they're called, and like I say: I've no idea what I'm on about, I was just thinking they might be able to use it for other functions while you game. No chance?
Oh of course, what you say is possible. I just don't think Sony would do that before getting everything else fixed you know. They have a lot of stuff to get in first. So it seems unlikely for a long while.
Hah funny, they could have bought a cheap $299 PC and a little cam and headset, and do the same thing on that cheap PC for a much lower price, and the PC can do more than the ps3. Why would you convince them to get a ps3 just so they can talk to everyone or w/e when they could do the same thing for alot less?
And they could play a few games of pool and share music and videos on a PC to, all you really need is the internet for all of that.
Well I wouldn't suggest them to get a PS3 over $300 anyway. I wrote that in my post XD Also, sure you can video chat on the computer as well, but I've been saying this the whole thread, that where are the programs on the computer that let you video chat to 5 other people without any lag? (Lag can be due to several reasons, biggest ones are CPU and connection) PS3 has the CPU part right.
They already HAVE computers and they're not doing it already, what does that tell you? Why does everyone assume they don't have computers LOL. They have them, all of them but they don't like to get on it to sign on yahoo and video chat. My dad might but it took him a while to do that, my brothers know how to do it but they don't do it. It's just inconvenient for everyone.
Now, you can play pool or bowl or whatever but the point was that you can do all of this in one place, "Home". Where else can you watch movies with your buddies in a virtual place? Now I've heard about Second Life on PC and I tried to download that, the downloading process was pretty weird and I donno if they have what Home has as far as music sharing, video sharing, and mini-games all in one spot. Even if that was true, they'd need to buy a better video card for Second Life to work.
Bottom line why they prefer it once it's down to $300 is because of the convenience, all-in-one, superior than anything out there, and they get to enjoy the rest of the media capabilities that PS3 offers (Bluray, MP4, MP3, JPGs etc). Some of that is as good as the PC but more user-friendly to access and the rest is actually superior than the PC.
admartian
10-28-2007, 03:25
I'd +rep Nut_Man for trying very hard to say PC conversations are easy'; but he's banned. I've tried it, and I'm pretty savvy with a PC - not the best, but I know what I'm doing, and it's no walk in the park.
You can get it to work, but it's no doubt, laggy, a hassle, and jsut downright frustrating.
But yeah, Nut_Man is just one example of so many derailers on this board. Never have I seen him (or them) do such things, to the extent he did so in this thread when it comes to the 360.
We won't miss ya.
i convinced my cousin to get a PS3 because of a very old article that had assassins creed as exclusive and bioshock when is was announced multiplatform. (those are the two games he most wants) yeah, it's not ture; but the PS3 is the best choice for any time past '07, he'll thank me later.
The ps3 is a well rounded beast that can do almost everything
I can imagine that - my mother father brother and sister + me all get PS3 .... one is not enough ?
I can imagine that - my mother father brother and sister + me all get PS3 .... one is not enough ?
Most of my family lives far away from each other lol. No, we're not rich.
FBPhoria
10-28-2007, 06:11
Thats a pretty stupid reason to buy a ps3. They have videochat phones now, dont they.
Thats a pretty stupid reason to buy a ps3. They have videochat phones now, dont they.
Two things before you say the word "stupid". One, can a phone do a 6 person video chat? Does it cost monthly to use this service on a phone?
Bostonmess
10-28-2007, 19:41
Why is it when it comes to phones - multifuntionality is a good thing, but when it comes to the PS3 some people think it's not?
My mates just got a new phone. It does that video conferencing. Sony Erickson something or other. On contract. 30 quid a month. I asked him how much they were to buy pay as you go. About 600 quid he said.
You could get two PS3s for that.
inter_112678
10-29-2007, 05:45
Why is it when it comes to phones - multifuntionality is a good thing, but when it comes to the PS3 some people think it's not?
My mates just got a new phone. It does that video conferencing. Sony Erickson something or other. On contract. 30 quid a month. I asked him how much they were to buy pay as you go. About 600 quid he said.
You could get two PS3s for that.
"Why is it when it comes to phones - multifuntionality is a good thing, but when it comes to the PS3 some people think it's not?"
Because a phone you can take with you and use whenever you want to on the go, a ps3 just sits in your living room, you cant take a ps3 on the bus and use it or anything like that.
You pay premiums for phones and other devices to do certain things because they are MOBILE. Why do you think gameboys and such or Iphones are so popular? Because you can take them with you everywhere you go and use these features on the fly and you pay a premium to do that. Its just like a gaming laptop costs alot more to get the same performance as a good gaming desktop, you pay the premium for the ability to use it wherever and whenever.
sainraja
10-29-2007, 05:53
Sorry, I don't want to rain on your parade, but you are convincing people to get a PS3 based on a feature that nobody has actually used yet. Sure, it will probably manage 6 feeds at once with stutter, but if you are expecting 30fps video between 6 people...I doubt you'll get that regardless of your bandwidth. I'm happy to be proven wrong, but this won't be the first time we've been promised something and it not deliver.
I'm also curious as to what hardware/software people are using with their PC, because I've never had any problems with video chat on the PC.
I like how you start the post by saying I don't mean to rain on your parade when that's exactly what ended up doing. Good one.
Because a phone you can take with you and use whenever you want to on the go, a ps3 just sits in your living room, you cant take a ps3 on the bus and use it or anything like that.
You pay premiums for phones and other devices to do certain things because they are MOBILE. Why do you think gameboys and such or Iphones are so popular? Because you can take them with you everywhere you go and use these features on the fly and you pay a premium to do that. Its just like a gaming laptop costs alot more to get the same performance as a good gaming desktop, you pay the premium for the ability to use it wherever and whenever.
Since I got the PS3 it has replaced my DVD player, Playstation 1 system and Playstation 2 system. I store pictures on it, I use it to show pictures to my family. I sometimes watch youtube videos on it using the browser. Tell me, how can not be useful?
I don't understand one thing. People say they want a games machine, PS3 is a games machine with a little more value. You get what you pay for, you actually get more than what you pay for. I use almost every feature on it and I'll assume that most people who bought a PS3 liked what it offered so stop trying to tell us that its not useful. You don't want it, get the 40GB PS3 its your stripped down PS3 that you wanted.....but I am pretty sure its people like you who are also complaining about the lack of b/c. You want it all, but you want it free.
inter_112678
10-29-2007, 06:04
I like how you start the post by saying I don't mean to rain on your parade when that's exactly what ended up doing. Good one.
Since I got the PS3 it has replaced my DVD player, Playstation 1 system and Playstation 2 system. I store pictures on it, I use it to show pictures to my family. I sometimes watch youtube videos on it using the browser. Tell me, how can not be useful?
I don't understand one thing. People say they want a games machine, PS3 is a games machine with a little more value. You get what you pay for, you actually get more than what you pay for. I use almost every feature on it and I'll assume that most people who bought a PS3 liked what it offered so stop trying to tell us that its not useful. You don't want it, get the 40GB PS3 its your stripped down PS3 that you wanted.....but I am pretty sure its people like you who are also complaining about the lack of b/c. You want it all, but you want it free.
I never said it isnt useful, i said people pay a premium to have all those features in something you can take with you everywhere you go (like a phone, mp3 player, etc...) sure what the ps3 does is great, but you can only use it in your house, im actually out of the house most of the day so something like a phone that has those features is obviously much more valuable to me if i want those features than a ps3 since im out of the house most of the time. I use my ps3 strictly for games, if i want photos or music or w/e i have my phone for when im out of the host most of the time.
I also have never complained about the lack of b/c because i dont pay $600 for a ps3 to play games that came out 5 years ago, maybe you do, but i sure as hell dont. Way to pass judgement guy. Of course i would want stuff free...who in their right mind wouldnt? but obviously i know these things wont be free and i have no problem paying for them. the vast majority of your post had nothing to do with mine that you quoted, so i have to say, im sligthly confused.
aside from mobile. there will always be, 'simple and easy to use' technology for human beings.
I think people are forgetting that PS3 video chat is several times better than PC (you can do 6 people at once, which is what wowed them firstly) and also it has much less lag in video and no lag at all in voice. Something that PC is plagued with. So it's not just the convenience or how integrated it is, it's the fact that it's just not possible on anything else out right now!
Why do you people keep assuming that they just don't know how to do it. They KNOW how to do it, they just don't do it because IT IS NOT CON-VEN-IEN-T.
Someone please look up that mysterious word.
Bull**** statement. PC video software is not any worse than PS3’s. Sony did not come up with some amazing video chat technology that is unavailable to any PC user. Video chat quality is only limited to your connection speed (and computer hardware, but that only applies to very, very outdated pc’s). I have an 8mb connection and I am able to video phone 10 people with no lag using the software my university provides “Purdue Video Conferencing” for their online courses.
How hard is to use today’s PC software??? It comes down basically to knowing how to read. If you can read, you can use PC software. There is a reason why the computer industry is the fastest growing industry … it’s called GUI!! And software developers are making everything 1-2-3 click – Easy setup and play. I can do 1 better than the PS3 can do. I can buy 3 “x10” wireless cameras with 1 wideband microphone for 120 dollars (motion activated) and connect them with 1 usb receiver to my PC, set them up all over my house and roam my house while video conferencing with many people. How “inconvenient” is to use PC video chat? 1. Turn Pc ON. 2. Launch Software. 3. Connect.
Your story to me seems illogical, unpractical and simply uneconomical. Since you said all your family own PCs you just wasted them a bit of money buying something they already had. It’s like buying a WebTV (A TV internet box) to check your email, when you already owned a computer. Whatever floats your boat I guess. You/they got the money, and then go for it. Just don’t make bull**** statements that PS3’s video chat owns PCs. If Sony had a spectacular video chat piece of code that is “a cut above” they would have added it to their line of PC software yesterday.
now that your households has a ps3, you can now tell them to sell their 86pc.
im doing the same when i get a 40gb ps3.
admartian
10-29-2007, 09:12
Bull**** statement. PC video software is not any worse than PS3’s. Sony did not come up with some amazing video chat technology that is unavailable to any PC user. Video chat quality is only limited to your connection speed (and computer hardware, but that only applies to very, very outdated pc’s). I have an 8mb connection and I am able to video phone 10 people with no lag using the software my university provides “Purdue Video Conferencing” for their online courses.
How hard is to use today’s PC software??? It comes down basically to knowing how to read. If you can read, you can use PC software. There is a reason why the computer industry is the fastest growing industry … it’s called GUI!! And software developers are making everything 1-2-3 click – Easy setup and play. I can do 1 better than the PS3 can do. I can buy 3 “x10” wireless cameras with 1 wideband microphone for 120 dollars (motion activated) and connect them with 1 usb receiver to my PC, set them up all over my house and roam my house while video conferencing with many people. How “inconvenient” is to use PC video chat? 1. Turn Pc ON. 2. Launch Software. 3. Connect.
Your story to me seems illogical, unpractical and simply uneconomical. Since you said all your family own PCs you just wasted them a bit of money buying something they already had. It’s like buying a WebTV (A TV internet box) to check your email, when you already owned a computer. Whatever floats your boat I guess. You/they got the money, and then go for it. Just don’t make bull**** statements that PS3’s video chat owns PCs. If Sony had a spectacular video chat piece of code that is “a cut above” they would have added it to their line of PC software yesterday.
It's not very bull**** as you put it out to be. Sufi's just trying to illustrate a point. Whether you like it or not, it's true.
Besides, you have to remember that not everyone has a high end rig or a functional one to be able to adequately run video chat without the hassle. Operative word(s), without the hassle.
they would have added it to their line of PC software yesterday.You know there could very well be several factors and variables as to why they didn't do this. It could be financial, license, factory, timing, etc etc etc.
It's a cut above as what we have been [limitedly] shown that the video chat is good. No set-up hassle compared to a PC. Hey, if the PC is what floats your boat, then fine. Stick to that. No need to rain on someone's parade. Not everyone is PC savvy.
Maybe that the PS3 "owns the PC" (as a WebTV) for that particular person's needs eh? It's all about what is good for someone or particular individuals. ;)
How “inconvenient” is to use PC video chat? 1. Turn Pc ON. 2. Launch Software. 3. Connect. Like I said, and what has been illustrated. It doesn't always work that way - and not everyone is PC savvy. Savvy? (For the PotC fans). :)
here is a reason why the computer industry is the fastest growing industry … it’s called GUI!! And software developers are making everything 1-2-3 click – Easy setup and playNot all PC camera software (or software in general) are created equally. Just like games, it depends on the developers.
In the end, it's debatable what "owns" what. But from most people's perspective (and not all are PC "incompetent") here, setting it up, and connecting with the other end, is ahassle.
StratMan172
10-29-2007, 09:59
GET THEM TO BUY IT NOW!!!!1111 PS3 must sell more than teh 360!!!!! 360 suxorz!!! lol (/end sarcasm)
Chappers
10-29-2007, 10:00
I think the usability of PS3 as a vid-chat medium is not to be overlooked.
I'm toying with replacing our corporate vid-conf system that is based on 6x ISDN lines, as the video quality of that has never been fantastic, and once I've trialled the PS3 system for a bit, if the quality compares well, it could save our company literally £thousands.
A lot of older-generations are phobic of computers and technology, so anything that is more living-room-centric and more plug-and-play orientated with simple pictures and graphics is, in my book, a shoe-in to these sorts of people.
How well it is marketed is going to be key to it's uptake.
I'm going to get me an Eye as soon as I can.
Besides, you have to remember that not everyone has a high end rig
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Come on... My rig isint so high end. Im running a AMD 6000 OC to 3.2 Ghz with 4 GIG RAM and a 8800 GTS... Its fair at best. :mrgreen:
And if connecting a Webcam and installing software is a hassle to a PC owner, then PS3 setup will also be flustrating.
I think i will buy a second PS3 for myself to use as an portable MP3 player with USB head phones. I have a CREATIVE ZEN MP4 player but its too complicated, too many options, transfers, updating firmware...
admartian
10-29-2007, 10:47
Come on... My rig isint so high end. Im running a AMD 6000 OC to 3.2 Ghz with 4 GIG RAM and a 8800 GTS... Its fair at best. :mrgreen:
And if connecting a Webcam and installing software is a hassle to a PC owner, then PS3 setup will also be flustrating.
I think i will buy a second PS3 for myself to use as an portable MP3 player with USB head phones. I have a CREATIVE ZEN MP4 player but its too complicated, too many options, transfers, updating firmware...
Well, like I said, not many people have that! Even so, hardware is hardly the point, as you can get it to run, and it would still be a pain.
C'mon. Be serious, where are you gonna plug your headphones in? :p Either way, kudos on getting CREATIVE (I've got a Zen Vision M myself) mp4 player and not just getting an iFad. :snicker Providing you do prefer CREATIVE. (Oh noez! MP3 player wars on a console forum! Yikes!)
If a person can't figure out how to use a PC with Windows then I feel very very sorry for them and I would find it difficult to believe that they would be more comfortable with a videogame console if they cant use a basic computer.
lol, get your dad or mum to setup a PC from scratch for the net then the chat program or programs, then setup the mic+ speakers then setup the camera.
By themselves without any help and I'd say they will forget about the whole idea in 5 seconds, once the first part isn't done in 2 mins.
Old folks can't be arsed waiting for all the crap a PC has to go through, some will get by but never use all the stuff on a PC or bother to setup everything required.
1 person might get MSn setup but another person might only get yahoo setup.
Then someone tries out cam chatter 2 that's real easy to setup for them but won't install on 1 person's PC, and the other person's cam can't be detected properly.
lol, while PC is good at some stuff I wouldn't rate it easy to get stuff setup.
Come on... My rig isint so high end. Im running a AMD 6000 OC to 3.2 Ghz with 4 GIG RAM and a 8800 GTS... Its fair at best. :mrgreen:
And if connecting a Webcam and installing software is a hassle to a PC owner, then PS3 setup will also be flustrating.
I think i will buy a second PS3 for myself to use as an portable MP3 player with USB head phones. I have a CREATIVE ZEN MP4 player but its too complicated, too many options, transfers, updating firmware...
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Your kidding me.
get an eyecam.
hook it into the USB port bang that's it, working fully the camera is all set to go for any cam software and the included mic is setup for recording straight away as well.
You only need to goto the setup screen if you want to check the settings, the mic is set to auto adjust the volume level.
so you don't even really need to do anything.
zenkaipower
10-29-2007, 12:52
PS3 sits in a living room and you can browse the Internet and do video chat and play blu-ray movies. You cant get more convenient and user friendly than that. How can PC beat that? And who has PC sitting in their living room? lol
im not sure though, but i think why the ps3 is faster in video conferencing is because its using 64-bit cell multimedia process. while the 86pc is still stuck with 32-bit general purpose computing.
Bust Nak
10-29-2007, 17:26
Sure, it takes longer to install a web cam on a PC because you have to use a driver disc, but that's a one off set up. Afterwards you just have to turn it on and skype or messager will boot up and log in automatically by default. If you know enough about IP's and DNS to set up a PS3 to go online then you can install a driver. Although how fast the PS3 boots to it's menu compare to windows is pretty attractive.
http://www.youtube.com/v/9Smq0zeN6dk&rel=1
Here is a video of some one doing a video chat with the PSEye
FBPhoria
10-31-2007, 10:38
Two things before you say the word "stupid". One, can a phone do a 6 person video chat? Does it cost monthly to use this service on a phone?
Well for $100 you can get this from bestbuy, and you dont even need high speed internet(which is a no-brainer if you want to chat with 6 people at once). No monthly fees, no added cost to the phone call. This is only a one to one though:http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=5826948&st=video+phone&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1060605818878
Bring your friends and family a little closer with the Beamer phone video station for TV. It allows you to instantly add video to your phone calls using your existing phone, phone line and television.
Product Features
As easy as using your phone and no additional cost to your call
3 viewing choices: self-view, other-party view or combo view
Works with any home phone (corded or cordless) and any standard (analog) phone line
Snapshot still picture/privacy option
Speakerphone/intercom function
Output to your television
No special wiring or equipment
No service fees, contracts or subscriptions
Includes remote-------
So, yeah, kinda overblown if thats the reason they bought/will buy it. I see gamers using the multi-chat more than just people wanting to make a phone call.
well they do say that its a very cheap blu-ray DVD player, with all the other features its great, wouldn't buy 5 tho