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Despite not being owned by Sony, Insomniac Games has already produced two of the PS3's best titles to date- Resistance: Fall of Man, the console's best launch game by far, and the recently released Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, which has enjoyed widespread critical acclaim. Therefore, it seems obvious the team is comfortable with the complicated architecture of Sony's system, and even better, they predict great things for the future.
According to a VideoGamer.com interview with Insomniac Chief Creative Officer Brain Hastings, the PS3 is one powerful machine that still has a ways to go.
"The amount of action we're able to put on the screen at 60 frames per second really dwarfs what we were able to do a year ago at 30 frames per second," said Hastings. "What's most exciting is the way things are headed right now I think we'll see just as big a leap from our second generation engine to our third as we did from the first to second."
As was the case with the PS2, games increased drastically in visual quality over the years. Try comparing launch titles like Tekken Tag Tournament and Summoner to God of War II and Final Fantasy XII, for example; they may as well be games on two entirely different systems. We've been expecting the exact same growth process on the PS3 right from the start, and it seems Insomniac agrees with that theory.
"We're already seeing a big leap in what people are able to do with the PS3 now compared to a year ago, and we're going to see just as big a leap between now and the end of 2008," said the Insomniac Games Chief Creative Officer. "I think we're going to continue seeing major leaps each year in what people are able to do with the machine for at least three or four more years."
Now, aren't you excited about this generation on the PS3? You should be.
http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/2153.html
Seriously unucharted,lair,heavenly sword,motorstorm---1st year....3 years down the line...wanna take a guess?
yes...yes...yes...this is what i am talking about...the advaces sony is making is unbelievable...good post...check out my other post with the PS eye used to make game characters...**** sony...
Insomniac, they are one of the best developers on the planet, and I hope they stay firmly in the Sony arena. Great games from a great developer!
Can't wait to see Resistance: Fall of Man 2!
forzanerazzurri
11-15-2007, 20:12
Yes. There will be no justice on the industry if the PS3 isnt the dominant console this gen. Sony should buy them up.
Yes, but we were expecting that, no? its not a surprise, I always knew it would be like that.
but I am looking forward to it :)
BigBrother
11-15-2007, 20:35
Insomniac, they are one of the best developers on the planet, and I hope they stay firmly in the Sony arena. Great games from a great developer!
Can't wait to see Resistance: Fall of Man 2!
It's actually been confirmed the title is going to be "Resistance: Rise of Man." I really can't wait for it.
windninja123
11-15-2007, 21:05
hopefully soon in the future sony is going to buy insomniac.
chwisch87
11-15-2007, 21:20
Unless Insomniac wants the security of being a Sony company, i say just let them stay independent. Which is what is going to happen anyway.
Insomniac has always enjoyed a lot of success building for the PS brand. I can't wait to see what is next!!
Even if Insomniac wasn't bothered about staying independent, what would be the point in buying them? They will only develop for Sony systems anyway due to their great relationship with eachother, so it would just be a waste of Sony;s money which could be spent elsewhere.
Anyway i agree with Hastings on this one. I can't wait to see what games will look like in 2009 at this time.
Yes, as dev's get more experience and steptones with programing the PS3 I think its superior hardware will really start showing the gap more and more. Can't wait for what's to come!
Insomniac has been the only saving grace of ps3 thus far.I hope they keep up the good work and push the bar further.
BUT PLAYSTATION GAMEZ WILL NEVER LOOK AS GOOD AS CRYSIS!!!@!
:rolleyes:
If it wasn't for insomniac thus far I don't know what games I'd really be looking forward to for the PS3, RFOM & Uncharted really got the PS3 into the mainstream.
Lord Arklon
11-15-2007, 23:23
It's actually been confirmed the title is going to be "Resistance: Rise of Man." I really can't wait for it.
:confused: Umm...by who? I've never heard or seen that. Always sounded like speculation to me.
Ah well, a rose by any other name.
Im really amazed at the graphic quality the ps3 is pushing right now especially at it 1 year mark its awesome..HS cutscences we just soo **** beautiful....It really have me excited for what we are gonna experience in coming years
Ziggarat
11-15-2007, 23:57
The article actually talks about how the SPUs play an integral part in increasing the content on screen and how pushing further grunt work onto the SPU frees the amount work the PPU can be tasked with at any given point. In other words, more complex calculations like lighting, shading, blurring, and reflection can all be calculated simultaneously without impeding on the PPU's ability to run the game at a steady 60 fps.
Hopefully, Insomniac demonstrates to other developers just how lucrative development on the PS3 can be. The bigger the pie, the more everyone will want a piece of it.
If it wasn't for insomniac thus far I don't know what games I'd really be looking forward to for the PS3, RFOM & Uncharted really got the PS3 into the mainstream.
RFOM and Ratchet. Uncharted's by Naughty Dog.
-Deadpool-
11-16-2007, 00:01
After playing Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction for a solid 5 hours last night, all I can say is the future of gaming looks incredible 8)
Amazing stuff and simply brilliant work by Insomniac.
RJNavarrete
11-16-2007, 00:05
please do not post flame bait [rikwakefield]
RFOM and Ratchet. Uncharted's by Naughty Dog.
Oops sorry about that, thanks for the clarification that's what I meant but whilst typing that I was thinking of how awesome Uncharted is and typed that by mistake.
Majic Morgan
11-16-2007, 00:14
Resistance 2, it will be one of the best shooters out there. I just know it.
yes these games are just the tip of the ice berg for the PS3.
they will get better waite till we see fall of man 2 :)
Awesome. Insomniac is probably my favorite developer this generation, the only developer I can see coming close is Capcom in the near future. Resistance and Ratchet were simply awesome games, I really hope they create new IPs as well.
rantor49
11-16-2007, 00:23
flame bait removed
360 doesn't need an excuse. It's kicking ass just fine.
100Mil4Three
11-16-2007, 00:41
please do not post flamebait [rikwakefield]
rantor49
11-16-2007, 00:58
flame bait removed
No, that's not what I mean.
Jacobi1981
11-16-2007, 01:35
there was a lot of talk about the wii being the only console to include innovation, but after seeing what is capable with the PSeye, and the ps3's ability to create unimaginable games... the dev's imagination is the only limitation. anyway, i don't see how the wii has really put ANY innovation into gaming, instead they are FORCING us to use motion controls and the wii mote, with their economic (cheap) console.
100Mil4Three
11-16-2007, 01:51
No, that's not what I mean.
So then what exactly do you mean then? Kicking ass as in bricking themselves? Explain... please I'm dying to understand.
THEBLAKWALSTREET
11-16-2007, 02:27
WOW GREAT NEWS!!! i would kill for some footage of RROM 2 (which is already in pre alpha testing believe it or not!!)
zero1661
11-16-2007, 02:51
I dont like insomniac at all to be honest, they make awesome games but they have big mouths, the fact of the matter is all consoles get better looking games as the years go by, its common sense, so to me when a playstation developer HAS to explain this, its pretty sad. of course the ps3 games will look better in the future, all of you that are getting happy to hear something you should already know have a lot to learn.
rantor49
11-16-2007, 02:58
So then what exactly do you mean then? Kicking ass as in bricking themselves? Explain... please I'm dying to understand.
Ohh boy...... I like the way you answer the question before asking it. Selling games, that's what I'm talking about. 360 titles sell large quantites. They don't need excuses. 360 games sell just fine.
It's interesting how there are two very strong arguments on both sides of PS3 development.
Insomniac is proof that it's all about the perspective you take on designing a game.
It's not that developers who produce sub-par on PS3 are lazy, per-say it's more or less that they are stubborn and "set in their ways". People need to remember that a lot of the "poor quality" (poor end of the spectrum of "great") games are coming from developers who did a lot of developing on other platforms before trying the PS3.
That's to be expected though, and it seems a lot of development companies (The developer who worked on multiplat games who claimed that the PS3's hardware is bad for games as an example.) seem to forget this. "Next Gen" games are expected to be different in all respects, gameplay, graphics, sound, presentation, even story in some cases. In all fairness though, if you're going to expect different quality games, then it's fair to expect a different way to making them.
Well, at least that's my lil' rant.
Bitbydeath
11-16-2007, 03:19
I wonder how different Resistance 2 will look compared to the first, it might end up looking like a completely different game at this rate.
izzheemee
11-16-2007, 03:35
Resistance 2 will be phenomenal! Insomniac has a loyal customer 4 liiiiiiiiiife!!!!!11!11!111!
Redrider
11-16-2007, 03:36
Yes, but we were expecting that, no? its not a surprise, I always knew it would be like that.
but I am looking forward to it :)
This is true that many bought the PS3 because of this promise, however it's nice to hear a developer like Insomniac saying something like this. Can't wait for the next Resistance title!
PhatRabb1t
11-16-2007, 03:51
Here's the box art for Res2.
http://i6.tinypic.com/80ubk2t.jpg
From Destructoid
I can't wait for resistance 2! I think the next set of games will only get better and better. Insomniac is doing really great work with their games. Ratchet is easily pixar quality and Resistance was fun.
Bitbydeath
11-16-2007, 03:59
Here's the box art for Res2.
http://i6.tinypic.com/80ubk2t.jpg
From Destructoid
They should've changed the title to "Rise of Man"
Fail
greepoman
11-16-2007, 04:04
It's interesting how there are two very strong arguments on both sides of PS3 development.
Insomniac is proof that it's all about the perspective you take on designing a game.
It's not that developers who produce sub-par on PS3 are lazy, per-say it's more or less that they are stubborn and "set in their ways". People need to remember that a lot of the "poor quality" (poor end of the spectrum of "great") games are coming from developers who did a lot of developing on other platforms before trying the PS3.
That's to be expected though, and it seems a lot of development companies (The developer who worked on multiplat games who claimed that the PS3's hardware is bad for games as an example.) seem to forget this. "Next Gen" games are expected to be different in all respects, gameplay, graphics, sound, presentation, even story in some cases. In all fairness though, if you're going to expect different quality games, then it's fair to expect a different way to making them.
Well, at least that's my lil' rant.
Well Ratchet and clank is bombing so far so they won't be in business long if resistance2 doesn't do too well either. While resistance sold well it didn't really have any competition...imagine if they had to complete with COD4, etc. This is what resistance2 will be up against so I wouldnt be suprised if it wasn't as big a hit at the first.
-Deadpool-
11-16-2007, 04:07
Well Ratchet and clank is bombing so far so they won't be in business long if resistance2 doesn't do too well either. While resistance sold well it didn't really have any competition...imagine if they had to complete with COD4, etc. This is what resistance2 will be up against so I wouldnt be suprised if it wasn't as big a hit at the first.
That completely baffles me.. :confused:
It's brilliant.
Bitbydeath
11-16-2007, 04:15
That completely baffles me.. :confused:
It's brilliant.
Don't respond to it dude.
http://metaljesusrocks.com/gallery/d/880-1/Drop_the_Soap-Its_a_trap.jpg
Best to ignore comments like that :?
An_Ocean_Between_Us
11-16-2007, 04:17
If they have BETTER graphics than Resistance: FoM and Ratchet and Clank Future, then may god have mercy on our souls.
zero1661
11-16-2007, 04:17
Don't respond to it dude.
http://metaljesusrocks.com/gallery/d/880-1/Drop_the_Soap-Its_a_trap.jpg
Best to ignore comments like that :?
hahaha love the picture dude, thats awesome.
Applefiend
11-16-2007, 04:28
Yeah you know, you read all this doom, the real and the fud, and you couldn't care less.
As long as Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Infinity Ward and the rest keep pumping out a great game every year why should anyone care.
SolidSnakeUS
11-16-2007, 05:09
I am glad to hear this. I really do love their work and I know they can help push the PS3.
The boys over at Insomniac are top notch developers, and I take their word for it with whatever they hafta say about the PS3. They are right up there with all of the first party devs in terms of what they can do with the hardware. I trust they will back up any statements like this!
greepoman
11-16-2007, 06:27
That completely baffles me.. :confused:
It's brilliant.
So you wouldn't consider 74.5k sales of R & C over the first two weeks 'bombing so far'? It's mediocre at best considering the hype on this board about it and the high review scores. Just look at some of the retarded games that beat it out...
Majinvagitta
11-16-2007, 06:30
people are getting way too excited. developers become more efficient with time, its always been that way.
MEMEROOT
11-16-2007, 07:33
to be honest I'm not that taken by r&c and certainly not by uncharted. The 360 games are at the moment far far better and I'm hoping crysis runs ok on my pc's to feed the graphics whore in me.
I am however looking forward to the next final fantasy game and I do think that will be something else.
So you wouldn't consider 74.5k sales of R & C over the first two weeks 'bombing so far'? It's mediocre at best considering the hype on this board about it and the high review scores. Just look at some of the retarded games that beat it out...
how to turn a discussion about how good a developer is into a stupid argument stage 2:
Back on Topic, Fantastic devloper fantastic games, more to come, cant wait
360DiedOnMe
11-16-2007, 08:29
to be honest I'm not that taken by r&c and certainly not by uncharted. The 360 games are at the moment far far better and I'm hoping crysis runs ok on my pc's to feed the graphics whore in me.
I am however looking forward to the next final fantasy game and I do think that will be something else.
which 360 games are far far better looking and what kind of rig you got?
360 doesn't need an excuse. It's kicking ass just fine.
360 might kick the ps3s ass right now, but the technology in 360 is obsolete by far. just lock at the soldering the heatsinks. even i can see that the heatsinks are far too small. just face it, micrsoft is not a company that can design technology that is built to last.
trojan_blade
11-16-2007, 18:37
Wow ! seriuosly if current games are just using around 30% of PS3..can't imagine how good it would be when it gets to around 80%!! :shock:
Majinvagitta
11-17-2007, 00:21
360 might kick the ps3s ass right now, but the technology in 360 is obsolete by far. just lock at the soldering the heatsinks. even i can see that the heatsinks are far too small. just face it, micrsoft is not a company that can design technology that is built to last.
if the X360 is obsolete, the PS3 isnt far behind. and i'm not sure what kind of excuse this is, the public dont care.
Renzoblade
11-17-2007, 00:23
i was about to post this haha, glad i looked first before i did.
Great news, everyone knew no one used the power of the SPEs yet, once they start doing so.
dayum.
no **** Uncharted has raised the bar best graphics on consoles hopefully Insomniac follows suit.
to be honest I'm not that taken by r&c and certainly not by uncharted. The 360 games are at the moment far far better and I'm hoping crysis runs ok on my pc's to feed the graphics whore in me.
I am however looking forward to the next final fantasy game and I do think that will be something else.
:rolleyes: plz do humor me and name any console game that can go toe to toe with Uncharted or Ratchet for that matter.
arthur56k
11-17-2007, 11:22
:rolleyes: plz do humor me and name any console game that can go toe to toe with Uncharted or Ratchet for that matter.
that is what is called opinion, to hardcore Sony fans, these two games are the best looking yet, to hardcore 360 fans, bioshock and gears are the best yet, to a neutral they may well say they all look great, to me, gears is arguably the best looking console game to date.
if the X360 is obsolete, the PS3 isnt far behind. and i'm not sure what kind of excuse this is, the public dont care.
post of the day in this thread.
360 might kick the ps3s ass right now, but the technology in 360 is obsolete by far. just lock at the soldering the heatsinks. even i can see that the heatsinks are far too small. just face it, micrsoft is not a company that can design technology that is built to last.
i have had my 360 for quite a long time now, and no problems what so ever
people are getting way too excited. developers become more efficient with time, its always been that way.
and on every platform to
So you wouldn't consider 74.5k sales of R & C over the first two weeks 'bombing so far'? It's mediocre at best considering the hype on this board about it and the high review scores. Just look at some of the retarded games that beat it out...
its all down to sony, insomniac is a publishers dream, if Sony advertised this game weeks or months prior to release, i bet it would have ahd better sales considering the flurry of big hit titles coming out, but they waited until the title was out to start an ad campaign for it, Sony has let down insomniac IMO
its all down to sony, insomniac is a publishers dream, if Sony advertised this game weeks or months prior to release, i bet it would have ahd better sales considering the flurry of big hit titles coming out, but they waited until the title was out to start an ad campaign for it, Sony has let down insomniac IMO
I don't think that at all, SONY has been selling thounds of consoles with Reistance from launch.
Maybe if Resistances hype ever dies the same can be done with Ratchet? lol. :twisted:
Hatebreeder
11-17-2007, 11:50
It's pretty obvious better graphics are to come, look at PS2 graphics from the lanch titles to current...
arthur56k
11-17-2007, 11:54
I don't think that at all, SONY has been selling thounds of consoles with Reistance from launch.
Maybe if Resistances hype ever dies the same can be done with Ratchet? lol. :twisted:
dont get wrong, but what other game was there worth mentioning as an exclusive apart from RFoM at launch? none IMO, all the rest were either average or mediocre, and it was represented in reviews and sales.
plus at launch a system generally sells well with or without games, a great game will always sell better compared to the weaker games considering hardcore gamers are usually among the first/the bigger percentage of early adopters
Hatebreeder
11-17-2007, 11:58
It's pretty obvious better graphics are to come, look at PS2 graphics from the lanch titles to current...
[velocity]
11-17-2007, 12:15
yes...yes...yes...this is what i am talking about...the advaces sony is making is unbelievable...good post...check out my other post with the PS eye used to make game characters...**** sony...
Absolutely amazing, yes! The PS3 is gonna roll over 360 in power over a year or two from now. But in my opinion, for ex. Uncharted already owns every game's graphics on 360.
PS3's era of domination starts here and now. Long live the Playstation Brand!http://forum.stuttgarter-zeitung.de/board/images/smiles/icon_king.gif
dont get wrong, but what other game was there worth mentioning as an exclusive apart from RFoM at launch? none IMO, all the rest were either average or mediocre, and it was represented in reviews and sales.
If your gonna constantly pull the opinion card i won't bother. But F1 07 and MotorStorm were also quality launch titles. These were also used in 'some' console packs, but mostly it was Resistance from launch.
arthur56k
11-17-2007, 12:41
If your gonna constantly pull the opinion card i won't bother. But F1 07 and MotorStorm were also quality launch titles. These were also used in 'some' console packs, but mostly it was Resistance from launch.
sorry, but launch title has always meant from day 1 to me.
how can those two be launch titles if they came months after the playstation 3 launch, how.
if you love the two, well and good, lets just say that i they didnt quite live to their potential in my opinion
sorry, but launch title has always meant from day 1 to me.
how can those two be launch titles if they came months after the playstation 3 launch, how.
if you love the two, well and good, lets just say that i they didnt quite live to their potential in my opinion
Eh... European launch dude.
Also MotorStorm was released nov 16 2006 in Japan.
arthur56k
11-17-2007, 12:55
if that suits you well and good
that is what is called opinion, to hardcore Sony fans, these two games are the best looking yet, to hardcore 360 fans, bioshock and gears are the best yet, to a neutral they may well say they all look great, to me, gears is arguably the best looking console game to date.
We have to remember though, that with graphics there are two levels to consider. There's the technical side, which as far as I can tell Crysis wins hands down, and there's the artistic side that even a technically subpar (in my opinion) game like Bioshock could possibly win. Sometimes you get one that does both, like Shadow of the Colossus. I think Uncharted is closing in on doing both very well, although it's not as big of a "surprise" as Shadow of the Colossus was at the time of its release.
Most likely Heavenly Sword, LAIR, R&C, Uncharted, UT3 are all technically superior to Gears of War, but if your artistic sense prefers a certain style then a 2-D isometric strategy game will look best to you.
The point being, technically Uncharted is pretty much head and shoulders above probably any console game to date. If you don't like the style, you'll not like the graphics regardless.
Man, Insomniac are becoming my favourite devs ;), still have to get R&C!
And can't wait for Resistance 2 of course.
I though someone post something very similar before.
Uncharted only use 30% of PS3, and KZ2 will only use 60~40% of PS3.
When GoW, DR, and LP are around 90% on 360.
I don't need to ay the rest.
weskurtz81
11-17-2007, 21:09
I though someone post something very similar before.
Uncharted only use 30% of PS3, and KZ2 will only use 60~40% of PS3.
When GoW, DR, and LP are around 90% on 360.
I don't need to ay the rest.
I have seen this posted in here before, but it really doesn't mean much. You are looking at two different games on two different consoles and trying to compare how well the engine uses the hardware. Look at how efficient the Source engine is, then take a look at something like BF2. I think the Source engine looks better, but BF2 is a resource hog. Source runs much better on lower spec hardware than BF2 does. What does this mean? Simply that the guys over at Valve made an efficient gaming engine that uses that hardware much better than the EA hack job.
So, saying a game stresses hardware more doesn't mean much. Do you think it really matters to the GeOW makers how much the console is being maxed as long as the game runs how they want it to? No, it doesn't. In the future, they will find ways to make the games more efficient, and still make them look better and run better on the hardware.
Just like with the PS2, the games looked better an better as the console matured. Did it get any more powerful? No. The developers got better at using the hardware and made the gaming engines much more efficient.