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jakncoke
12-12-2007, 18:34
Who do think will be in it ? There is suppose to be between 60-80 active and former players in it. 2 pm tomorrow is when the info will be revealed. Here is some people that wouldn't shock if they showed up....
David Ortiz
Shawn Green
Luis Gonzalez
Brady Anderson
more to come if I think of them.
jakncoke
12-13-2007, 19:17
Here's the pdf of the Mitchel report.
http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf
should get the mods to merge the other topic to this, since you did start it first.
jakncoke
12-13-2007, 19:45
pulled this from gaf, this is suppose to be all that names from the report.
No Pujols, Griffey Jr, Bay ...i can live, but that doesn't mean there clean either as this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Marvin Benard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dysktra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun- surprised
David Justice
F.P. Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody Mckay
Kent Mercker
Andy Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christianson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Chad Allen
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brandon Donnelly
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams- doesn't surprise
Steve Woodard
David Bel
What I really want to see is who will come to the defense of Clemons. ESPN baseball boys were going all out to have this story destroyed, going after the guy who reported it. Lets see what they say now. I want to know who will step and defend their name? So far no one has did it when Conseco's book came out, now what about this?
O crap, da Sheff' on that list? Geez.
soldier one
12-14-2007, 03:14
pulled this from gaf, this is suppose to be all that names from the report.
No Pujols, Griffey Jr, Bay ...i can live, but that doesn't mean there clean either as this is just the tip of the iceberg
2 things
1 Notice all the yankee players :roll: :lol:
2 Why is Jason Grimsley on there like 2 or 3 times?
All i know is the same thing will happen as always. The good players aka the overpaid players will get off the hook with a paris hilton slap on the wrist and the sucky aka players never given a chance will be the ones punished if anyone. They will start with the crappy players just to show fans that they are doing something....
All i know is i want all this to end as a fan. Im tied of worrying about my favorite players like pujols might be accused and such because everyone knows im a fan of them, next thing you know they get accused and all you hear is "he cheated this and that" etc...Just get rid of theese guys and get over this crap please. No more lists, no more accusing players, no more trying to get baseball in the news the wrong way, JUST STOP.
I knew gary matthews was dirty
jakncoke
12-14-2007, 08:12
2 things
1 Notice all the yankee players :roll: :lol:
Not saying the list is valid, like I said I pulled it off the gaf, but next time do research. Seriously the 2nd name on the list should have proven you otherwise
Marvin Benard-
Barry Bonds-
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Velarde
Lenny Dysktra
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Josias Manzanillo
Todd Hundley
Mark Carreon
Hal Morris
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettite
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaun- surprised
David Justice
F.P. Santangello
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody Mckay
Kent Mercker
Andy Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christianson
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hairston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Chad Allen
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brandon Donnelly
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Daniel Naulty
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Scott Schoeneweis
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams- doesn't surprise
Steve Woodard
David Bel
What I really want to see is who will come to the defense of Clemons. ESPN baseball boys were going all out to have this story destroyed, going after the guy who reported it. Lets see what they say now. I want to know who will step and defend their name? So far no one has did it when Conseco's book came out, now what about this?
I still love Clemens as a player and nothing will change my mind on that, similar to Barry Bonds.
Here is what I don't like. Clemons lawyer is doing all the talking. If your innocent, and falsely accused, then why not hold a press conference and state your innocence. Having your lawyer talk for you means your hiding something. Prove your innocence dammit!!!
Its not the case of you murdering someone and your lawyer has to talk for you....this is your reputation, your name and your career on the line, NO LAWYER NEEDED.
Whats interesting about this report is Mitchel is part of the Red Sox Organization in some form (forget what). There is still something wrong with this report from what I've read and heard through radios and internet. They spent $20 million on this? Are you f'n kidding me?
Most of it comes from players talking to players, to players to players...then there are trainers and so on. So its still questionable.
OMG it has Jose Conseco, Jason Giambi, Barry Bonds? Really...wonder what gave that away? Wonder where McGuire and Sosa are? These two should have been the top two.
soldier one
12-14-2007, 21:51
Not saying the list is valid, like I said I pulled it off the gaf, but next time do research. Seriously the 2nd name on the list should have proven you otherwise
No thats not what im saying. I was just playing around stating all the yankees all the list. Gary Shefield, Clemens, giambi etc...:lol:
Here is what I don't like. Clemons lawyer is doing all the talking. If your innocent, and falsely accused, then why not hold a press conference and state your innocence. Having your lawyer talk for you means your hiding something. Prove your innocence dammit!!!
Another thing i dont like is his "rep" keeps saying he felt so sad and such about the accusation, yet he isnt showing it at all. He just goes and gets this guy and hides in his house.
They spent $20 million on this? Are you f'n kidding me?
Most of it comes from players talking to players, to players to players...then there are trainers and so on. So its still questionable.
OMG it has Jose Conseco, Jason Giambi, Barry Bonds? Really...wonder what gave that away? Wonder where McGuire and Sosa are? These two should have been the top two.
Its baseball, they overpay for anything and everything because they can. ;) Though im thinking the exact same thing. None of this can be proven yet AGAIN, they have no known true to the heart solid facts. They have facts but not strong enough to take down theese BIG names. Not only that but who are they asking? PLAYERS, probably players that want to see theese players go down or got paid to do so, you cant just go by word of mouth.
Not only that but to me it seems like they put theese names on here just to get noticed and to make it seem like something is getting done. Nothing will happen yet again....Your right. They put Bonds on here but not Sosa or McGuire? Both of which have more facts that it was done than Bonds himself.
I just wish ESPN would get their hands out of their pants and stop talking about this crap already. So some players took steroids, punish them and get it over with already. Obviously, the general public doesn't really care or attendance records wouldn't have been high all year compared to previous years.
Vulgotha
12-15-2007, 03:37
This was such an elaborate waste of time and Tax Payer dollars. I'm beyond disgusted that this had to happen, and take place. JUST to tell all of us what we already pretty much knew.
What a fricken' joke.
ex nihilo7
12-15-2007, 04:04
O crap, da Sheff' on that list? Geez.
All he did was buy some cream that he then applied to his knees. He said he didn't know it had steroids and that it didn't make him any stronger.
boogernose
12-15-2007, 04:26
All he did was buy some cream that he then applied to his knees. He said he didn't know it had steroids and that it didn't make him any stronger.
I hope that's true. I always thought of Gary as a good guy.
jakncoke
12-15-2007, 14:17
Here is what I don't like. Clemons lawyer is doing all the talking. If your innocent, and falsely accused, then why not hold a press conference and state your innocence. Having your lawyer talk for you means your hiding something. Prove your innocence dammit!!!
Its not the case of you murdering someone and your lawyer has to talk for you....this is your reputation, your name and your career on the line, NO LAWYER NEEDED.
Whats interesting about this report is Mitchel is part of the Red Sox Organization in some form (forget what). There is still something wrong with this report from what I've read and heard through radios and internet. They spent $20 million on this? Are you f'n kidding me?
Most of it comes from players talking to players, to players to players...then there are trainers and so on. So its still questionable.
OMG it has Jose Conseco, Jason Giambi, Barry Bonds? Really...wonder what gave that away? Wonder where McGuire and Sosa are? These two should have been the top two.
nahh they spent 50 million, just to tell us something no one really cares about.
Yeah, I can't see Sheff' on the juice. I hope his career isn't ruined over this.
jakncoke
12-15-2007, 19:55
Yeah, I can't see Sheff' on the juice. I hope his career isn't ruined over this.
Why is that ? I defiantly can. Anyone that thinks it's entirely impossible that he isn't is a homer(you) or naive .
I didn't say that it was impossible, he could be doing now for all I know. I just can't imagine him on it. Maybe its a bias on my part because he is on my Tigers, but I just can't see it.
jakncoke
12-15-2007, 20:02
It's defiantly the bias , too bad this report didn't go into depth and reveal some surprises.
I expect it to in the long run. And Eric Gagne is a dumbass. I won't even go into details as to why either. If you listen to JT THE BRICK, you know why, lol.
jakncoke
12-15-2007, 20:17
haha Conseco is mad because A-rod isn't on the list, now I'm not going to say A-rod is clean just because he isn't on the mitchel report, in fact anyone not listed still could be on something because the Mitchel report is just the tip of the iceberg but wtf at Conseco's personal vendetta against A-rod. Since when did he piss in Conseco's cherios ?
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3154625
Paper Shredder
12-17-2007, 07:04
I didn't say that it was impossible, he could be doing now for all I know. I just can't imagine him on it. Maybe its a bias on my part because he is on my Tigers, but I just can't see it.
As a Tigers fan myself, I can
In addition, anyone who saw Ivan Rodriguez before/after Steroid testing knows he was on something....but stopped
Luckily he is talented enough to still hit for a solid average with above-average defense.
How about we just classify everyone a steroid user and move on. No one can prove anything unless you have hard evidence (written, receipts, tapes...etc), not even the people accusing the person.
jakncoke
12-20-2007, 14:33
Funny thing is basically everyone in the Mitchel report was there because of receipts, have these people ever heard of not leaving a paper trail? Why in eff were they not using straight cash?
Ive been thinking the same thing JB. It makes no sense. Its funny to see all the checks with there names on it. They totally could have did this with cash.
im just so tired of this steroids crap, when will they show MLB on ESPN NOT talking about steriods. I hated baseball anyway but this non stop sterioids talk just makes me sick.
Paper Shredder
12-20-2007, 20:26
Funny thing is basically everyone in the Mitchel report was there because of receipts, have these people ever heard of not leaving a paper trail? Why in eff were they not using straight cash?
Some of the accusations had evidence while a good bit was just hearsay....which I would be irate as a player if I got put on that report from someone who had "heard" from someone else that they used
If you have been in the real world for long, you know that a lot of things passed between two people are rarely 100% accurate
If you have been in the real world for long, you know that a lot of things passed between two people are rarely 100% accurate
What is this "REAL" world you speak of? I thought my mind was connected to some imaginary world controlled by the machines? Where is Morpheus when you need him?
Anyways, maybe they should have used a "Paper Shredder" to get rid of the evidence...oh wait...Credit cards leaves a long paper trail.
Paper Shredder
12-22-2007, 03:35
What is this "REAL" world you speak of? I thought my mind was connected to some imaginary world controlled by the machines? Where is Morpheus when you need him?
http://uplink.space.com/attachments/350198-red_pill_or_blue_pill.jpg
The list is incomplete imo. No Red Sox players (Mitchell's team), no Brewers players (Selig's team), no Rangers players (President Bush's team before he was guv). Wheres Rafael Palmeiro and Juan Gonzalez?