The Manchester United Thread

[manutdfan]

Not looking good our promising youngsters leaving.

[Tutankhamun]

One last time

Park, Park, wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country!
It could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Eating rats in your council house!

---

Might sound crazy, but Park goes out as one of my favorite United players for the last ~6 years. Wish him all the best.

[santinomarella]

Poor Evra must be heart broken. :(

[manutdfan]

Yep great attitude park

[Tutankhamun]

Benfica eye swoop for Manchester United's Anderson

Anderson has failed to keep his progress chart on an upward trend and was dogged by knee injury last term. Now Benfica are keen to take former Porto player Anderson back to Portugal.

Manchester Evening News (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1582871_benfica-eye-swoop-for-manchester-uniteds-anderson?rss=yes)*

Makes sense to let Anderson go now I think. Especially if we're signing another midfielder.

[Suley]

Bet it was his performance against Xavi and co for Croatia that made them want him. Madrid's midfield is starting to take the mick, Alonso, Modric, Khedira, Sahin, Diarra? Is he still there? Any more?

Yes and Yes. You forgot Kaka and Ozil.
Also, Moutinho rumours seem to be picking up.

[yourmumsface17]

Yes and Yes. You forgot Kaka and Ozil.
Also, Moutinho rumours seem to be picking up.
I ignored them because they play the CAM/SS role, I mean the actual deep lying CM's that operate? I must be missing 1/2.. meh who cares.

[manutdfan]

Fergies at Wimbledon

[manutdfan]

Don't call it a blow back

[Tutankhamun]

Park has officially signed for QPR. I really hope he does well there.

[squirrelbo1]

One last time

Park, Park, wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country!
It could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Eating rats in your council house!

---

Might sound crazy, but Park goes out as one of my favorite United players for the last ~6 years. Wish him all the best.

They already have a better song than you.

He shoots, he scores, he eats Labradors, park Ji sung, park ji sung

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[santinomarella]

Best of luck to Ji!

Terry is in court now. A funny moment happened today when Terry's lawyer said that lip reading is only guessing, the deaf lip reader then responded to his lawyer after perfectly lip reading what he said. :lol:

[dc89]

What's going on with Nani?

[Tutankhamun]

They already have a better song than you.

He shoots, he scores, he eats Labradors, park Ji sung, park ji sung

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Nah. That's a song from United supporters. http://www.prideofmanchester.com/sport/mufc-songs-players.htm#park


What's going on with Nani?

Negotiating a new contract. Seems to be taking a while. We'll see.

[squirrelbo1]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522114_471842756161813_2145894835_n.jpg


what a fucking boy

[LC77]

What's going on with Nani?

Nani wants more money, so someone starts a rumour linking him with City, United panic and pay Nani what he wants. :lol:

Greatest story of the transfer window to date.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/shinji-kagawa-pornstar-girlfriend-ameri-1136810

http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1136753.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Ameri+Ichinose

I did a bit of research and that is the cleanest photo I could find. :lol:

[jj03]

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522114_471842756161813_2145894835_n.jpg


what a fucking boy

Lol...good footballer but he is a prized twat...why he fits in well at city...

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[santinomarella]

Rio Ferdinand ‏@rioferdy5
(https://twitter.com/rioferdy5)Film of the day: Liar Liar....starring Jim Carey. what a film!!

Tweet from Rio earlier today. :snicker

[mankind]

Tweet from Rio earlier today. :snicker

Haha I see what he did :lol:

[Abdou23]

Haha I see what he did :lol:

I don't get it,he meant something other than Liar Liar being good film ?!

[manutdfan]

Weirdo

[Firefox]

I don't get it,he meant something other than Liar Liar being good film ?!

:lol:

edit: Whoops forgot to explain! Thanks Squirrel.

[squirrelbo1]

I don't get it,he meant something other than Liar Liar being good film ?!

Yesterday was the start of the terry versus Anton Ferdinand court case.

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[Shibby]

Came across this, and remembering seeing that oh-so-lovable Park song in here not too long ago, I figured you should have a read as well. Too long to paste in its entirety.

http://www.afinelung.com/?p=4394



Nani wants more money, so someone starts a rumour linking him with City, United panic and pay Nani what he wants. :lol:

Greatest story of the transfer window to date.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/shinji-kagawa-pornstar-girlfriend-ameri-1136810

I did a bit of research and that is the cleanest photo I could find. :lol:

maybe now she'll do un-blurred porn in england :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

If you can't have fun with a goofy song I just don't see a point to following football anymore. It's just a way of having some fun, not everything needs to be turned into doom and gloom.

[Shibby]

I don't even really care about that, I just thought it was a great read on the subject of clubs in general selling their souls. Just the way it is in modern Sky-era football I guess. Very similar thing happening in Liverpool, though not anywhere close to the severity of it as under the last owners.

[three3-times]

http://thebusbyway.com/2012/07/10/anderson-suffering-from-his-own-samba-beat/

HMMMM, ando could still be a player for us tbh......he has qualities....

[santinomarella]

Rio Ferdinand ‏@rioferdy5
(https://twitter.com/rioferdy5)Film of the day: A Cock and Bull Story starring Steve Coogan....decent watch!

:lol:

[jj03]

:lol:

Rio is right...it is good.

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[manutdfan]

Rios on form

[dc89]

Nani wants more money, so someone starts a rumour linking him with City, United panic and pay Nani what he wants. :lol:

Greatest story of the transfer window to date.


A bit like how they flapped over Rooney?

[manutdfan]

You say it best when you say nothing at all.

[three3-times]

as much as i hate JT, he didnt call Anton that, he did SAY it though as a question. Come one, look at how many black players he plays with at chelsea, do you think they would still chat to him if he was racist?!

please dont think im defending him as i hate the cunt

[Tutankhamun]

https://p.twimg.com/AxczEfxCAAATJO2.jpg

[three3-times]

really hope to god we dont sign baines, but at least we will sign some sort of another midfielder

anyone read the post on ando

[Tutankhamun]

I don't know. I think Baines might be a good choice. I think both he and Evra would benefit from not playing every game and having that competition for the spot.

On Ando: I think, as the post details, he has the right tools to be a good player for us. That being said, I just don't think he's physically capable of playing regularly and I'm very unsure on his competivness. He doesn't compete hard enough to earn a spot in my opinion. So I'm of the opinion it's time to move on.

[manutdfan]

What's happening with Ando

[dc89]

https://p.twimg.com/AxczEfxCAAATJO2.jpg

That's Joe Hart celebrating the title win!

[Tutankhamun]

What's happening with Ando

Rumors stating he might be sold as soon as this week.

[manutdfan]

Rumors stating he might be sold as soon as this week.

Probably for the best. Shame though

[The Boy From School]

Dat accuracy. :cool:

http://gif.mocksession.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/BECKHAM-TROLLING.gif

[manutdfan]

Apparently we're bidding £20 million for Lucas.

[Tutankhamun]

Kiko keen to make mark

“It’s great to be back at Manchester United. When you go on loan you really understand how important it is to play for this club. I’m really happy to be back and I can’t wait for the start of the season.



manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/federico-macheda-eyes-big-season.aspx?newsid=EE3A2246-9382-4D10-A190-7075B7CDFBB4&pageNo=2)*

Really is a make or break season for him. Last chance at United most likely.

[manutdfan]

Yeah will be tough for Kiko to make it now but I hope he does.

[LC77]

Apparently we're bidding £20 million for Lucas.

More chance of getting George.

Could also be, look Nani we are signing another winger... now sign the naffin deal. :snicker

[Tutankhamun]

Academy recruit duo

United have confirmed*the acquisition of two more first-year scholars.

Goalkeeper Joel Castro Pereira has signed for the club after a successful trial. The Switzerland-born shot-stopper, 16, will add to the options between the sticks for coach Paul McGuinness.

Sean Goss, who turns 17 in October, is the other new face after appearing for the Reds during last season's*Aegon Future Cup, helping the team to reach the final in*Amsterdam.

The Germany-born midfielder has sealed a*switch from Exeter City*and recently revealed he has always been a United supporter.

manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/Players-And-Staff/The-Academy/Academy-News/2012/Jul/manchester-united-confirm-two-more-academy-acquisitions.aspx?newsid=9103A78D-40AF-4A6C-BA7B-74EA78804675)*

Good to get some talent after losing some.

[Firefox]

:lol:



In a hilarious misunderstanding, Terry was asked to repeat evidence that he had been sent off four times in his career.

“Can you say, please, four times?” asked his QC, George Carter-Stephenson.
“Please, please, please, please,” Terry responded.
Guffaws of laughter broke out around the courtroom at the misunderstanding, which was a result of the judge asking Terry to speak up.
The footballer appeared confused by response from the courtroom.

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex eyes more signings

Speaking at an Old Trafford press conference to unveil the pair of new signings so far, the United manager admitted: "We could possibly bring one or two more in. When there's a major international tournament on, there's a delay in the transfer market. But now the European Championships are over, we're trying to bring one more player in.



manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-shinji-kagawa-nick-powell-press-conference-at-old-trafford.aspx)*

Will be interesting to see who that is. Most likely Baines though.

[three3-times]

Fuck you Dan, beat me to it. luv u

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-shinji-kagawa-nick-powell-press-conference-at-old-trafford.aspx

I hope to god its not baines, but it will be as there is no other LB we can get :(

Good to see that Shinji is for the 1st team.

If we aint getting a CM, which WILL cost us, im guessing that means Ando is staying (who could be our box to box player) and fletch might be ok?

[three3-times]

Didnt see this by Ando.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Exclusive-Interviews/2012/Jul/anderson-exclusive-interview-my-most-important-season-yet.aspx

Im glad he is staying. a fit and fully focused ando is better than any other options we have in CM.

[three3-times]

David McDonnell ‏@DiscoMirror (https://twitter.com/DiscoMirror)
Fergie paints bleak picture for Darren Fletcher. "He won't start the season. If it doesn't work out, he knows he has a position here."#MUFC (https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23MUFC)

Imo, after hearing that, i think he is done. So its IMPERATIVE we get another CM in

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/12/manchester-united-darren-fletcher-challenges?CMP=twt_gu

[three3-times]

Having said that, seeing that Powell will be used as a CM, i think that and now Ando is back, i dont think we will sign anyone else other than baines. Im pretty sure we want someone else, but i think baines is there priority.....


Hmmmm. I can see an over relance on Giggs and scholes already...............

[Tutankhamun]

Sounds like we're looking at two signings, so maybe another CM? Maybe another CM would be tied into selling/swapping Anderson.

[three3-times]

Fergie said, he is looking at 2, but it will probably be 1

i dont think we will sell ando.

[Tutankhamun]

Probably won't sell Ando but it feels risky betting on him staying heathy to take Fletcher's spot. We really need someone who can win the ball back and if Fletcher retires Ando must do it.

[manutdfan]

I don't think Ando likes playing that role, at Porto he was an attacking mid that played high up the pitch. But for someone that likes playing there he doesn't get enough goals.

Not sure about Ando we've been saying for a few seasons now this has to be his season, he needs to step up. He does it in patches. He seems over weight a lot and picks up injuries a lot. No doubt he's talented though.

[Tutankhamun]

http://www.manutd.com/en/Fanzone/News-And-Blogs/2012/Jul/sign-for-manchester-united-video.aspx?newsid=73B7A458-61CD-421E-8675-7D248E0CF890

Anyone going to do it?

[manutdfan]

I've signed up :)

I signed for the love of the club not the money! City offered me double the money but I told Mancini he can shove his fruit pastels where the sun don't shine!! :)

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3699/img0863xl.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/268/img0863xl.jpg/)

[three3-times]

Have psg really brought ibra and thiago?

[Firefox]

Have psg really brought ibra and thiago?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDpkRzYn1s8

[Tutankhamun]

Have psg really brought ibra and thiago?

According to the press over here, who's main interest in the world is Zlatan, the fee has been agreed but the salary is still being negotiated. He'll definitely leave Milan but it remains to be seen if Real Madrid wants to get in on the transfer at the last minute.

[manutdfan]

I think Kagawa is going to be a top player for us.

[yourmumsface17]

I think Kagawa is going to be a top player for us.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2umqf.jpg

[Nitey]

I think Kagawa is going to be a top player for us.

100% he will shine.

[manutdfan]

100% he will shine.

Yep!

[LC77]

Yep!

Hai!


Looks like Fergie's mate is after a rollicking. :lol:

http://twitter.com/Bob_Cass/status/224272459602464768

[santinomarella]

1st game of pre-season this Wednesday! :D

I hope Rio does a video diary like last year, that was a good.

[LC77]

1st game of pre-season this Wednesday! :D

I hope Rio does a video diary like last year, that was a good.

After his adventures on twitter, he should do a Frankie Fryer. :cool:

[The Boy From School]

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1143001.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Rio+Ferdinand+and+Ashley+Cole+Twitter

[Tutankhamun]

DHL tour squad confirmed

Travelling squad: Lindegaard, Amos, Johnstone, Ferdinand, Veseli, Vermijl, Wootton, Blackett; Valencia, Anderson, Carrick, Scholes, Powell, Kagawa, Bebe, Tunnicliffe, Lingard, Brady, Petrucci; Berbatov, Chicharito, Macheda.

manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/reds-confirm-travelling-squad-for-dhl-tour.aspx)

Kagawa and Powell the highlights. Will be interesting to see if Bebe has learned to play.

[manutdfan]

Good squad a lot of youngsters in there. Yeah it's a weird one the whole Bebe situation.

Will be interesting to see how much Tuncliffe plays and how well.

[Tutankhamun]

Streams for tonights pre-season game: http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=164169&part=sports

Starting in 40 minutes (19:00 U.K time)

[StaticAge]

Decent-ish game I suppose, pretty boring though. Shame Shinji didn't come on earlier :(

On a completely unrelated subject;


Joke Liverpool hated: "I'm proud that the archetypal Scouser is actually Glaswegian...Kenny Dalglish (applause)...He's even unemployed now"
:lol:

[Tutankhamun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpKDUZhQGbE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1fN6y-e9KE

And for the laughs


Tomorrow's @MirrorFootball reporting SAF 'confident' he's bagged £20m RVP #mufc

@mikekeeganmen (https://twitter.com/mikekeeganmen/statuses/225711238536126465)

[manutdfan]

Don't think he's worth it RVP it's not like buying someone like Teddy for a couple of mil

[Tutankhamun]

Fergie calm on Berba future

"I do not need to herald the abilities of Dimitar Berbatov, he is a fantastic talent," said Ferguson.

"Last season he didn't quite get the amount of football he wants. At his age, it was difficult for him to accept his position in the forward line.

"He had Rooney, Welbeck and Hernandez in front of him, and they are all young men.

"The boy has a future, but if he wants to leave it is a different matter.

"I am easy about it if he stays. I would be happy with that. But if someone comes in and Dimitar wants to leave, we will assess it."



Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7913020/Fergie-calm-on-Berba-future)

I bet he does move this summer.

[mankind]

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3866/p7110573.jpg

http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8144/p7110574.jpg

Got it on today

[manutdfan]

Cool!!

[dc89]

My brother got the Kagawa shirt too.

I've used it as a table cloth too - excellent value for money.

[yourmumsface17]

My brother got the Kagawa shirt too.

I've used it as a table cloth too - excellent value for money.
And people call the Glazer's greedy, releasing a multi purpose shirt = great value for money.

[three3-times]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9412911/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-claims-Luis-Suarez-racism-row-cost-Kenny-Dalglish-his-job.html

dont be fooled by the headline, saf talks about A LOT, not just the headline

[three3-times]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18922208


have we really made a bid for him? macheda can be our 4th choice and we need that money spent in a CM

[Tutankhamun]

Seems strange to me, what would signing RVP mean to Welbeck and Hernandez?

It says Arsenal wants £25-30m to me that's a lot for a player that hasn't been fit for several seasons in a row.

[mankind]

Big names set for Man United switch

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/ts_magazine_big_picture/manutdswitches2.jpg


Yes, some bright spark had the idea to create this electrifying bit of Man United merchandise, meaning you can now get a host of big Man United names on your light switch. Perfect if Fergie is preparing to turn out the lights on some of his top players

[yourmumsface17]

Seems strange to me, what would signing RVP mean to Welbeck and Hernandez?

It says Arsenal wants £25-30m to me that's a lot for a player that hasn't been fit for several seasons in a row.

Agreed, stay at Arsenal RVP!

Only way I can see it fitting is if are 3 strikers are RVP, Welbz and Chicho. Rooney and Kagawa rotating between the CAM position, but Kagawa would never get to play as Rooney is pretty much undroppable in Fergie's eyes.

I really don't want RVP to be honest, as good as he is.

[manutdfan]

Yeah I don't think we're really bidding for R.. V... P using United to bump the price up.

Money would be better spent on a midfielder.

[Tutankhamun]

I want an LB and a midfielder that can chase down the opposition and recover the ball. We especially need a CM if Fletcher can't play for the whole season.

I feel we have enough offensive talent with Kagawa coming in.

[LC77]

I want an LB and a midfielder that can chase down the opposition and recover the ball. We especially need a CM if Fletcher can't play for the whole season.

I feel we have enough offensive talent with Kagawa coming in.

Or start coaching the team to do that, like they used to. Not sure a ball winner is the way to go, especially in Europe.

Most ball winners these days, just end up looking like a headless chickens.



http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Iker-Muniain-David-De-Gea-sleep-1.jpg

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/international_football/132596/snapshot-iker-muniain-makes-fatal-error-falls-asleep-next-to-david-the-dorito-bandit-de-gea.html

[three3-times]

so its official

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/news/article/2/7920272/fergie-confirms-man-utd-rvp-bid

Clas, player, but we would 2/3 seasons out of him if we are lucky? and we have more pressing issues LIKE FUCKING CM....and that would mean we would stick to the dreaded 4,4,2 with a gaping hole in CM

[Tutankhamun]

Or start coaching the team to do that, like they used to. Not sure a ball winner is the way to go, especially in Europe.

Most ball winners these days, just end up looking like a headless chickens.

Thats what I like about Fletcher. He can actually play the ball forward too. Really hope he can fully recover but I, unfortantly, doubt it.

---


Boss confirms van Persie bid

"Obviously Arsenal have given out the fact that we've made a bid for him," the manager told MUTV.

"We try to keep business as close as possible to us until the moment we conclude a deal. There's no point talking about something that might not happen.

"There are other clubs interested in the player. We've shown an interest and that's where we're at at the moment."

manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-confirms-robin-van-persie-bid.aspx)

Damn.

[three3-times]

ALL WE need is a CM that can get up and down, kick people and have some bollocks about him, no one really plays with DMC's anymore. just need a PRESCENCE in CM, which is what we dont have and if we dont get, wont get no20

[three3-times]

Piss off Dan, i beat you to it! ;)

[R3D D3V!L]

I don't know what Fergie is thinking to be honest.

[Tutankhamun]

Piss off Dan, i beat you to it! ;)

Haha, things always seem to go down when I'm eating dinner lol.

I honestly expect us to get RVP now. Don't think SAF would have said anything unless he felt a deal was imminent.

Hopefully a deal for RVP does not hinder other deals this summer or next. Might just be the right midfielder isn't available this summer.

[three3-times]

Haha, things always seem to go down when I'm eating dinner lol.

I honestly expect us to get RVP now. Don't think SAF would have said anything unless he felt a deal was imminent.

Hopefully a deal for RVP does not hinder other deals this summer or next. Might just be the right midfielder isn't available this summer.

i think you might be right on that one, but then again, he said we wanted nasri, but then didnt he say he will go elsewhere?

Hmmmm.

PLease just get a CM ffs SAF!

[Tutankhamun]

i think you might be right on that one, but then again, he said we wanted nasri, but then didnt he say he will go elsewhere?

Hmmmm.

PLease just get a CM ffs SAF!

I can't remember what he said about Nasri exactly but he might have confirmed an interest. Not sure.

I just don't know how we can keep Rooney, RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez happy. All four should be regulars. Rooney is obviously untouchable since he's our best by a mile and he can play 90% of the games in one campaign.

[three3-times]

I can't remember what he said about Nasri exactly but he might have confirmed an interest. Not sure.

I just don't know how we can keep Rooney, RVP, Welbeck and Hernandez happy. All four should be regulars. Rooney is obviously untouchable since he's our best by a mile and he can play 90% of the games in one campaign.

What about Shinji?! he is a PURE AMC, i assumed us signing him would mean a 4231, we really need to get away from the tired 442. If Shinji ends up on the wing, ill be fuming.

[Tutankhamun]

What about Shinji?! he is a PURE AMC, i assumed us signing him would mean a 4231, we really need to get away from the tired 442. If Shinji ends up on the wing, ill be fuming.

Maybe we'll use RVP and Kagawa in games that suites them. But neither seems like bit players to me.

[manutdfan]

Could play 4-4-1-1

With young, Kagawa, Carrick, val in midfield. Then Rooney and RVP up top. I think Rooney and RVP would work well together.

[santinomarella]

We won't get RVP, City know we're after him now, they will throw all kinds of money his way.

[Tutankhamun]

We won't get RVP, City know we're after him now, they will throw all kinds of money his way.

It's going to come down to where RVP wants to go. Arsenal won't have a choice but to sell to his preferred club.

Maybe Wenger rather sell to us as well considering his views on City's way of conducting transfers.

[manutdfan]

He might go to the old lady out of respect to Arsenal.

[manutdfan]

Giggs probably woke up in his Olympic village room with two of the womens Brazilian volleyball team.

[jj03]

2nd time this has happened..fuckin posts 'disappearing'. Mods..if your gonna delete any of my posts, at least have the fuckin balls to tell me why...pathetic.

[mankind]

I see we have had a bid for Maura turned down, what do my fellow devils think of this player if we get him?

[Tutankhamun]

I see we have had a bid for Maura turned down, what do my fellow devils think of this player if we get him?

I'd never heard of him before it was reported we we're interested so I don't have an opinion. But I'd never heard of Ronaldo or Hernandez either and that turned out fine.

[LC77]

Those wanting a ball winner, might be left wanting.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9416956/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-claims-Michael-Carrick-holds-key-to-clubs-success.html


“In the modern day game, you don't need tacklers the same way you used to,” Ferguson said. “There's no call for it. It's about anticipation and reading the game.


He might go to the old lady out of respect to Arsenal.

Is Italian football big enough for the RVP ego? :lol:

[three3-times]

Smalling out for 10 weeks ffs.

that leaves with 2 fit CB's... i dont count jones as he is shit

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/21/manchester-united-chris-smalling-injury?CMP=twt_gu

[three3-times]

2nd time this has happened..fuckin posts 'disappearing'. Mods..if your gonna delete any of my posts, at least have the fuckin balls to tell me why...pathetic.

1. who the hell you talking too?
2. i havent touched any of your posts.

[manutdfan]

Gutting about Smalling :(

[Tutankhamun]

Highlights from the game earlier


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhVNf5KLy0A

[manutdfan]

Cool cheers ears :) :)

[dc89]

Very interesting comments from Fergie in regards to the Glazers.

I think some United fans will be insulted by what he has said, it comes across as if you don't support the owners you don't support the club and team.

[three3-times]

Greatest manager of all time, but he has lost the fucking plot

http://www.stretford-end.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=25016

[mankind]

Very interesting comments from Fergie in regards to the Glazers.

I think some United fans will be insulted by what he has said, it comes across as if you don't support the owners you don't support the club and team.


Stop fucking flame bating.

[manutdfan]

Stop fucking flame bating.

He's a moron

[Tutankhamun]

This is what Fergie said:


Fergie - Glazers are great

"I'm absolutely comfortable with the Glazers situation," said the 70-year-old boss.

"They've been great. So if you're asking me for my views, I don't have any complaints.

"I've never encountered opposition. They've always been as sensible as they can in terms of financing the team, and they have to invest in the team to maintain the value of their asset.

"I think there are a whole lot of factions at United that think they own the club. They will always be contentious about whoever owns the club and that's the way it has always been.

"When I came to the club, Martin Edwards was always getting pelted because he was going to sell to (Robert) Maxwell, then to (Rupert) Murdoch, Michael Knighton and when they became a plc there was disaffection.

"Then, when the Glazers took over, there was disaffection, so there have always been wee pockets of supporters who have their views... and there's nothing wrong with that.

"But I think the majority of the real fans will look at it realistically and say it's not affecting the team. We've won four championships since they've been there, one European Cup.

"I think the problem is they are not publicists. They don't go out of their way to seek good publicity. They are quite happy to stay in the background. Roman Abramovich (Chelsea owner) is the same."

Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7926096/)

The mistake I think people are making is believing SAF is speaking about the total finances of the club. He isn't. He's coming from the point of view if he's getting the money he wants to invest into the squad - which according to him he is. And if they invest the money he wants them to invest into the facilities - which they have.

Fans take a broader look at the total business, I don't think Fergie gets involved with that at all and for good reason.

I'd also like to know how many people that criticize Fergie for not criticizing the Glazers happily critique their boss at every opportunity they get?

[manutdfan]

They have invest a lot in the youth academy as well, facilities etc.

[LC77]

This is what Fergie said:



Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7926096/)

The mistake I think people are making is believing SAF is speaking about the total finances of the club. He isn't. He's coming from the point of view if he's getting the money he wants to invest into the squad - which according to him he is. And if they invest the money he wants them to invest into the facilities - which they have.

Fans take a broader look at the total business, I don't think Fergie gets involved with that at all and for good reason.

I'd also like to know how many people that criticize Fergie for not criticizing the Glazers happily critique their boss at every opportunity they get?

If someone was paying me how many millions a year, I'd support them too. He does make a good point though, United have probably had their most successful period during the Glazer ownership. People seem to remember the PLC through rose tinted glasses.

The owners do support the club, look at the money being spent on the new Carrington facilities.

I in no way support the Glazers, but if the business is doing what it is supposed to do and the owners are happy, what can you do about it?

Good to see dc back stirring it up for the new sesason. :mrgreen:

[Tutankhamun]

It's all about expectations. Some fans seems to think there's football owners that owns a club because they love the club. I just never thought that was the case. In the end, Man City, PSG, Chelsea etc will get equally, or more, ass fucked as we are by the Glazers. This is business.

[LC77]

It's all about expectations. Some fans seems to think there's football owners that owns a club because they love the club. I just never thought that was the case. In the end, Man City, PSG, Chelsea etc will get equally, or more, ass fucked as we are by the Glazers. This is business.

That's what it all comes down to nowadays, fans are struggling with coming to terms of being customers. And United probably have the best moaning customers in the world. :lol:

I think the last owner who loves his club is Dave Whelan and before that Jack Walker, there are not many clubs owned by people in it for the love of the club. The PL billions have seen an end to that.

I say stop the whining and get on with it.

[StaticAge]

If you believe the Mirror (or just want an excuse to masturbate), we've agreed a £26m deal with Sao Paulo for Lucas Moura - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-land-lucas-moura-1154311

[Tutankhamun]

Eric Cantona 'kung fu kicked coffee table after Manchester United lost title'

Raphael, 23, said his dad, famed for his Kung Fu attack on Crystal Palace fan Matthew Simmons in 1995, kicked out at the coffee table.

He told United supporter Jonathan Cruise: “It smashed to pieces. My dad was angry and upset. He still adores United and we thought they were going to hang on to the title.”



mirror.co.uk (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/eric-cantona-kung-fu-kicked-1154255)

Legend.

[yourmumsface17]

If you believe the Mirror (or just want an excuse to masturbate), we've agreed a £26m deal with Sao Paulo for Lucas Moura - http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-land-lucas-moura-1154311

That avatar :lol:

I am still bleddy not promoted on the stupid redcafe, I try so hard, but none of the mods ever give me rep :(

[manutdfan]

Awesome news if true that we've signed Moura

[three3-times]

Sir Alex Ferguson confirms Manchester United are in talks to sign Brazilian international Lucas Moura. Full story to follow...

wow!!!!

SAF: "We're not lying on our backsides doing nothing. We're trying hard to bring other players to the club."

[three3-times]

so we are going after attacking talent?? great, but scoring isnt our problem!!!

its the fact teams with bollock about them can rampage through our CM!!

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex Ferguson confirms Manchester United are in talks to sign Brazilian international Lucas Moura. Full story to follow...

wow!!!!

SAF: "We're not lying on our backsides doing nothing. We're trying hard to bring other players to the club."

We're is that from?

[three3-times]

also vidic is back in training!!

http://www.manutd.com/en/Tour2012Teaser/Tour2012News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-press-conference-in-shanghai.aspx

[three3-times]

We're is that from?

http://www.manutd.com/en/Tour2012Teaser/Tour2012News/2012/Jul/today-in-shanghai-manchester-united-dhl-tour-2012-blog.aspx#

[Tutankhamun]

http://www.manutd.com/en/Tour2012Teaser/Tour2012News/2012/Jul/today-in-shanghai-manchester-united-dhl-tour-2012-blog.aspx#

Damn. Would be impressive to get him, seems like negotiations are tough. Has SAF ever been as open about his transfer intentions before?


so we are going after attacking talent?? great, but scoring isnt our problem!!!

its the fact teams with bollock about them can rampage through our CM!!

Maybe SAF is a believer in the saying "The best defense is an offense".

[three3-times]

Damn. Would be impressive to get him, seems like negotiations are tough. Has SAF ever been as open about his transfer intentions before?

never, but its about time we made a marquee signing, although ive never heard much about him and is a gamble, but hey!! thats made my monday morning!

[Tutankhamun]

Most would see RVP as the marquee signing though. Moura probably is more for the future. Anyone seen any good YouTube videos of him?

[three3-times]

Most would see RVP as the marquee signing though. Moura probably is more for the future. Anyone seen any good YouTube videos of him?

AT 29, with ONE good season, RVP defo aint a marquee signing in my eyes,

yeah there is, one of the lads posted a video of em a few pages back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4_xKrs2Xw&feature=player_embedded

[LC77]

Ryan Giggs is touting for a move to Crystal Palace. :grin:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6N2vwe9Swk

[santinomarella]

I don't think this has been posted but our away shirt was officially announced a few days ago...

https://p.twimg.com/AyQYXb7CEAAirJ3.jpg:large

[manutdfan]

Giggs is watching the women GB team train.

[manutdfan]

1. who the hell you talking too?
2. i havent touched any of your posts.

You tell the fucking faggott

[Tutankhamun]

The away kit is really nice. Think I want one.

[manutdfan]

My girlfriend got it today it's smart. I might get it for holiday I don't like first strip

[StaticAge]

That avatar :lol:

I am still bleddy not promoted on the stupid redcafe, I try so hard, but none of the mods ever give me rep :(

Oh :(

How many do you have at the moment, and is it still 150 that you need to be promoted?

[Firefox]

To be honest reading the football threads in this section on match days is far better than any redcafe/arsenal forum/rawk.

[manutdfan]

True

[Tutankhamun]

Agent claims Moura deal is off

"They have reached their limit," Ribeiro told UOL.

"Lucas Moura won't leave. He is happy at Sao Paulo. We have to forget this subject. There is no possibility he leaves now.

"Manchester United made an offer, which was rejected and they won't make another one as they have reached their limit."

Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7929693/Agent-claims-Moura-deal-is-off)*

This is why I think keeping quiet about potential transfers is the right way to go.

[dc89]

Is it safe to click that link? :lol

£30m is a silly amount of money to spend on a 19 year old. He could do a Wilshere and just get cropped - not for granted he will come back at his best. But I guess that's the risk you take.

But is £30m on a 19 year old value for money?

[Tutankhamun]

If he's good enough to claim a spot in the midfield for the next ~12 years then he's definitely worth it. Got to imagine paying so much money for a prospect means Fergie thinks he's the next Scholes or Giggs and those players are hard to find.

[yourmumsface17]

Oh :(

How many do you have at the moment, and is it still 150 that you need to be promoted?

I got 49 :( :lol: and yeah it is! I am obviously not a great poster :lol:

[dc89]

Stop fucking flame bating.

So I'm not allowed an opinion?


He's a moron

...


If someone was paying me how many millions a year, I'd support them too. He does make a good point though, United have probably had their most successful period during the Glazer ownership. People seem to remember the PLC through rose tinted glasses.

The owners do support the club, look at the money being spent on the new Carrington facilities.

I in no way support the Glazers, but if the business is doing what it is supposed to do and the owners are happy, what can you do about it?

Good to see dc back stirring it up for the new sesason. :mrgreen:

It's not about stirring it up. I know United fans that will be pissed off with what Fergie has said. Thing is though, Fergie has left it too late to say anything against the Glazers now, it should have been done 7 years ago.

The Glazers have bled £500m out of the club at least. How is that not negative?! Fergie's comments stink of "Alex, the float is looking sketchy, say something good about us" You have to give it to the Glazers, they realised that Fergie is the one person they have to keep onside, and somehow they have appeared to do that.

[Tutankhamun]

At least there's no expectation the Glazers will provide for United (for)ever. That might turn out to be crucial long-term. We're in a better position than City, Chelsea and PSG etc because everyone at the club knows the clubs dilemma. Other clubs will be left with astronomical wages they can't reasonably pay once their owners gets tired of owning the club and walks out.

[three3-times]

Deal aint off -

https://twitter.com/MUFCNewspaper

read his TL

[mankind]

Deal aint off -

https://twitter.com/MUFCNewspaper

read his TL


What is a TL? I never use twitter

[three3-times]

What is a TL? I never use twitter


timeline, basically saying the deal isnt off AT ALL, its all a ploy to get sao paulo to sell asap and accept our bid, the player wants to come to us and his family want him to come to us.

[LC77]

I got 49 :( :lol: and yeah it is! I am obviously not a great poster :lol:

Maybe you don't use enough profanities?

I don't understand Fergie going public on potential targets. It is either at 70 he has decided if you can't beat them join them. Every other club makes it common knowledge who they want, United normally do not. Or as I think more likely, season tickets are selling slowly?

I agree with that twitter bloke though, now his agent has come out and said its off. Sao Paolo might just want to cash in before the players 20% rises to the reported 30%.

[dc89]

At least there's no expectation the Glazers will provide for United (for)ever. That might turn out to be crucial long-term. We're in a better position than City, Chelsea and PSG etc because everyone at the club knows the clubs dilemma. Other clubs will be left with astronomical wages they can't reasonably pay once their owners gets tired of owning the club and walks out.

People have said for the last 7 years 'when Abramovich leaves Chelsea' and there is zero sign of it happening.

Also, what's £1bn to someone like Sheikh Mansour who is just wealthier than we can comprehend. It's pocket change.

[Tutankhamun]

Maybe you don't use enough profanities?

I don't understand Fergie going public on potential targets. It is either at 70 he has decided if you can't beat them join them. Every other club makes it common knowledge who they want, United normally do not. Or as I think more likely, season tickets are selling slowly?

I agree with that twitter bloke though, now his agent has come out and said its off. Sao Paolo might just want to cash in before the players 20% rises to the reported 30%.

I think Fergie goes public because it fits his plan. He's surely trying to put pressure on Arsenal and Sao Paulo to make a deal happen sooner than later. After going public about it, there's no chance Arsenal or Sao Paulo can say no bid was made etc. I think Fergie knows exactly what he's doing but it can still backfire.


People have said for the last 7 years 'when Abramovich leaves Chelsea' and there is zero sign of it happening.

Also, what's £1bn to someone like Sheikh Mansour who is just wealthier than we can comprehend. It's pocket change.

But eventually he won't be there. It is a fact of life. He might get tired of investing in Chelsea or he will eventually die, we all do. Nobody walks the earth forever. Football clubs must learn to have contingency plan because the worst will eventually happen. A football club can live forever but its owner won't.

[LC77]

People have said for the last 7 years 'when Abramovich leaves Chelsea' and there is zero sign of it happening.

Also, what's £1bn to someone like Sheikh Mansour who is just wealthier than we can comprehend. It's pocket change.

You also know with the mega rich, they become bored of their latest toy really quick.

If City win another title and the CL, you might find SM cutting the apron strings.... fly little birdy. :lol:

[manutdfan]

So I'm not allowed an opinion?



...



It's not about stirring it up. I know United fans that will be pissed off with what Fergie has said. Thing is though, Fergie has left it too late to say anything against the Glazers now, it should have been done 7 years ago.

The Glazers have bled £500m out of the club at least. How is that not negative?! Fergie's comments stink of "Alex, the float is looking sketchy, say something good about us" You have to give it to the Glazers, they realised that Fergie is the one person they have to keep onside, and somehow they have appeared to do that.

****

[Tutankhamun]

Another pre-season game today at 13:00 U.K time. Streams: http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=164631&part=sports

Going to watch this one having missed the other two.

[manutdfan]

Another pre-season game today at 13:00 U.K time. Streams: http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=164631&part=sports

Going to watch this one having missed the other two.

Cool, cheers T

[Tutankhamun]

Glad Kagawa got the goal. Pretty boring match overall though.

[manutdfan]

Glad Kagawa got the goal. Pretty boring match overall though.

Yep that will be one of many I'm sure, wasn't a great game I agree.

[StaticAge]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKprLgcunVw

[dc89]

So the IPO in New York has been postponed and it's future uncertain. I'll be stunned if you sign Moura now.

[Tutankhamun]

I seriously doubt the IPO, or lack of, has any impact on this summer transfers at all. An IPO takes time, the budget for this summer was probably set last summer. Next summer may be different.

[manutdfan]

I seriously doubt the IPO, or lack of, has any impact on this summer transfers at all. An IPO takes time, the budget for this summer was probably set last summer. Next summer may be different.

Yeah true, but it's something negative for him to say

[dc89]

I seriously doubt the IPO, or lack of, has any impact on this summer transfers at all. An IPO takes time, the budget for this summer was probably set last summer. Next summer may be different.

But if the short-term future is uncertain surely they can adjust budgets?

I think United will spend more money. I just can't see them spending the money that's needed to land Moura. If they do, I'll be back to offer my congrats on getting him!

[Tutankhamun]

But if the short-term future is uncertain surely they can adjust budgets?

I think United will spend more money. I just can't see them spending the money that's needed to land Moura. If they do, I'll be back to offer my congrats on getting him!

They would still want to keep the value of the club up to eventually get as much money as possible. They'll need to ensure the club is competitive.

The IPO was more about long-term than short-term thing to me.

[three3-times]

Bottom line, fuck the parasite glazers.

[yourmumsface17]

Bottom line, fuck the parasite glazers.
Essentially this.

So if we do sign this Lucas fella, will he be used as a winger or will he rotate with Kagawa? Also great vid Static, if this is what he is like when he's rusty, I can't wait to see him fully fit and playing in the team.

We got an absolute steal for him, thank God after missing out on Ozil for peanuts we were due a good deal.

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah, we really need a solution to the Glazer problem rather sooner than later. Not sure how it could happen though. I wish they would just sell of their stock and reduce their ownership but they wouldn't get maximum value with the debt. Bit of a catch 22.

SAF would probably test Moura out on different positions, don't think there's a set plan where he would play.

[squirrelbo1]

So you guts don't subscribe to the same view as Ferguson then ?

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[Tutankhamun]

So you guts don't subscribe to the same view as Ferguson then ?

Sent from my HTC One X using Tapatalk 2

We don't have the same perspective as Fergie. He looks at it from the angle if he gets the money he needs to get the players he want's - which he does according to him and Gill. We (fans) looks at the broader perspective which I don't think he cares about.

So I wouldn't say it's not subscribing to the same views, rather we see different things from where we're sitting.

[mankind]

We are still in talks to sign Maura so fuck of DC with your crap, people can see what you are doing.

[LC77]

Yeah true, but it's something negative for him to say

The ownership is the only thing that really gets up a United fans nose, so ABU's love to pick at that bogie.

If its true about the float being shelved, not a huge surprise. Only a complete moron would have invested in those type of shares.

My gripe with Fergie is. He always goes on about not paying over the odds, but he doesn't mind how the Glazer clan purchased the club. From the outside the debt looks like it is holding the club back, yet he defends the owners whenever he can. And seems to have a pop at the customers/fans in the process.

The Glazers are here for the long haul. I take no interest in their other businesses, but I'd guess United is the only one still making a profit, even with its massive debt and crappy times. So would you sell it?

The Glazers bought a Supercar and are trying to run in on chip fat and have a manager who deep down is a tight sod = perfect match.

No wonder David Moyes is favourite for the United job when Fergie leaves, he's had the prefect audition at Everton.

[Firefox]

Sahin going to come to the Premier League on loan according to Marca.. I wonder if Ferguson or Wenger are interested.. and out of the two who is more interested in the idea.

@dc89

Vincent Kompany: "City have the best fans in the world"

https://p.twimg.com/AyvL5kHCYAEQ-_D.jpg

[Tutankhamun]

I doubt Fergie would loan a player from Real Madrid. He would prefer to buy him outright.

[Duff-MaN_]

You lot have been linked with one of our players http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2179530/Manchester-United-Arsenal-join-race-Celtics-Victor-Wanyama.html

Not sure if it's true as Celtic would be after more than £7 million, hope he doesn't go anyway regardless of the price. Would do a great job for man u though, he's destined to play in one the big leagues I just hope we get a few more years out of him.

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United boost in RVP chase as Juventus cool interest

Manchester United are in pole position to sign Arsenal's Robin van Persie after Juventus seemingly admitted defeat in their pursuit of the player.

The Reds have openly declared their interest in Van Persie and have had one bid turned down. Manchester City are also chasing him, but are under pressure to offload players before they can buy, much to the irritation of boss Roberto Mancini.



Manchester Evening News (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1584586_manchester-united-boost-in-rvp-chase-as-juventus-cool-interest?rss=yes)*

[dc89]

Sahin going to come to the Premier League on loan according to Marca.. I wonder if Ferguson or Wenger are interested.. and out of the two who is more interested in the idea.

@dc89

Vincent Kompany: "City have the best fans in the world"

https://p.twimg.com/AyvL5kHCYAEQ-_D.jpg



City do have the best fans in the world in my eyes too. We just don't have many in China, no biggie.

[Nitey]

Bwahahaha.

[manutdfan]

Me Ryan giggs Here? In the GB women's gymnastics room. At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?

[Tutankhamun]

City do have the best fans in the world in my eyes too. We just don't have many in China, no biggie.

If we accept the premise that football clubs are corporations then China is a huge market not to be in. China has more growth potential than any other market bar perhaps India. Having customers there is a big deal. Eventually, you'll undoubtedly make more money from China than any other market.

Big biggie.

[Tutankhamun]

BRAKING NEWS: Sao Paulo accept £30m #MUFC offer for Lucas Moura and player will have a medical at Manchester this week

@SaoPauloNewsEng (https://twitter.com/SaoPauloNewsEng/statuses/229243608400818176)*

This guy has got everything right about this saga thus far. So I'm inclined to believe it.

[LC77]

@SaoPauloNewsEng (https://twitter.com/SaoPauloNewsEng/statuses/229243608400818176)*

This guy has got everything right about this saga thus far. So I'm inclined to believe it.

And he apparently got that news from here.

https://twitter.com/ESPN_Brazil

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah he has redacted that Tweet. Fell for a pretender. https://twitter.com/SaoPauloNewsEng/statuses/229284153907113985

[The Boy From School]

http://basemagazineonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Come-on-son.jpeg

[santinomarella]

Giggs scored for GB tonight! Cleverley also had a good game, if his injury problems are behind him he can be a very important player for us next season.

Spain are out the Olympics so De Gea will be back soon.

[LC77]

Yeah he has redacted that Tweet. Fell for a pretender. https://twitter.com/SaoPauloNewsEng/statuses/229284153907113985

Have you seen the abuse he's now getting? Some people on twitter need to get some fresh air. :snicker

If anyone needs a laugh, go read this.

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1584709_gossip-manchester-united-eye-ashley-cole

Getting a bit fed up of this campaign against Giggs for not singing the national anthem. I don't rememeber such a campaign against any of the Engerlaand players, when they couldn't be arsed singing it.

[jj03]

^^ perhaps giggs doesn't know the national anthem. ain't like he'd be the only one is it...

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[santinomarella]

United fans at a City pre-season game. :lol:

https://p.twimg.com/AzDpoUlCAAEuCjn.jpg

[Tutankhamun]

Chevrolet signs seven year deal

General Motors and Manchester United today announced that the world's most popular football club's shirt sponsor will be Chevrolet, beginning with the 2014/2015 season.

Chevrolet, the current Official Car Partner of the Club, will become only the fifth shirt sponsor in the Club’s 134 year history.



manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2012/Jul/chevrolet-signs-seven-year-shirt-deal-beginning-in-2014.aspx)*

Not sure what I think of that.

[R3D D3V!L]

Better than Aon or AIG. This is how I rank the United sponsors:

Sharp > Vodafone > Chevrolet > Aon > AIG

[LC77]

manutd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Club-News/2012/Jul/chevrolet-signs-seven-year-shirt-deal-beginning-in-2014.aspx)*

Not sure what I think of that.

It means some ugly shirts for the next seven years.

So they now sponsor both United and the scousers?

http://www.chevrolet.com/chevy-culture/news/chevrolet-and-liverpool-fc-.html

I'm completely baffled. :lol:

http://www.chevrolet.com/culture/article/chevrolet-manchester-united.html

[R3D D3V!L]

This gets better...

http://www.firstpost.com/business/gm-sacks-global-marketing-chief-over-man-united-deal-396474.html

[Tutankhamun]

manutd.com* <br />
<br />
How many more of these before SAF gets tired of it and asks United players not to use Twitter? Note that the club doesn't have an official Twitter account, only the press office.

[LC77]

Rio was an idiot for replying to that tweet, hook line and sinker if you ask me. <br />
<br />
If he ends up with a ban, I can see United banning its employees from using twitter. And a lot of other clubs will...

[Tutankhamun]

Rio was an idiot for replying to that tweet, hook line and sinker if you ask me.

If he ends up with a ban, I can see United banning its employees from using twitter. And a lot of other clubs will follow.

Yeah I guess. I just think the punishment shouldn't be a ban from playing. It should be fines. Bans ends up hurting the club more than the player, fines they can feel themselves much more. Obviously someone like Rio will be devastated if he's suspended because he loves playing for Man United but some players couldn't care less about a 2 games suspension I think.

[manutdfan]

Yeah a fine would be punishment enough.

[Firefox]

I hope Twitter isn't banned since I like having a look at what the players are up to but there need to be strict guidelines set in place to make sure these type of opinionated comments aren't tweeted.

[R3D D3V!L]

I don't think Rio will get a ban. But this is the FA we're talking about so you never know.

[manutdfan]

I hope it doesn't will be very stupid if he does!!

[dc89]

And the IPO is go! And I'm sorry, call me all the names under the sun but you can't put a positive spin on this guys, it's downright disastrous for your club.

The Glazers have done a complete u-turn and have shafted United. They will take HALF the proceedings from the IPO.


Quote from prospectus "We [United] will not receive any proceeds from the sale of the Class A ordinary shares by the selling shareholder."


#MUFC to only repay £73m of total £425m debt. #chickenshit




Net interest saving for #MUFC from this is.... £4.2m per year. #glazernomics




16m shares to be issued to #MUFC senior management under "2012 Equity Incentive Award Plan". That's why Gill has stuck around....


Will Sir Alex Ferguson be a beneficiary of the "2012 Equity Incentive Award Plan" total value $288m?

I hope Fergie isn't classed as Senior Management! That would be a insult.


Cost of this IPO? £7.7m. Almost two years' interest saving.... #glazernomics


Six Glazers will each get $25m from #MUFC IPO.

All quotes took from @andersred who is a United blogger.

I look forward to Fergie being questioned on his views considering the Glazers have completely changed the prospectus.

[R3D D3V!L]

I'm going to say this, however unpopular it is, I'd rather City win the league again and get rid of the Glazers this season than keep them and win it. That's how much I despise them.

[Tutankhamun]

Either way, to get rid of them they're going to have to sell the stock. No way around that. They we're always going to make the best deal for them weren't they? If they sell those 10% that's 10% less they own. Losing the title next year won't help getting rid of them in a better fashion.

It's darkest before dawn.

[dc89]

I'm going to say this, however unpopular it is, I'd rather City win the league again and get rid of the Glazers this season than keep them and win it. That's how much I despise them.

That's nothing. I've seen people say they'd rather be relegated than have the Glazers.

And yeah if they sell 10% they own 10% less. But they've valued United at $3bn (which is absurd) on purpose, even at $2.7bn and saddled with debt United are not attractive from a buyer point of view.

This IPO will not rid United of the Glazers. It will ease the debt but it's still not good news.

[Firefox]

Chevrolet... :lol: (Many fans hoping they change the logo for the kit) They also sponsor Liverpool which is the icing on the cake.

[jj03]

could be worse...could be sponsored by Vagiclean...

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[Firefox]

This really shows how greedy the Glazers are and to what extent they'll go to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSz4-4bTpiA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSz4-4bTpiA

[three3-times]

Fuck the sponsor deal, where are our signings ffs, chelski are buying the whole attacking world and who do we buy? a 2nd choice AMC and some piece of shit youngster......

[three3-times]

All man utd fans - read this - http://andersred.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/the-red-issue-forum-letter-to-sir-alex.html



This letter was written by long standing United fans who post on the Red Issue Main Forum, I didn't have any part in writing it but would be happy to sign it.


I post it here in the hope that it receives a wider audience, especially today of all days when the Glazers again show their true colours with an IPO that enriches themselves and leaves the club in debt.

Dear Sir Alex,
As lifelong Manchester United fans, we are disappointed and concerned by quotes attributed to you in a recent interview. Many of us are the same fans who protested to denounce Cubic Expression back in 2005. These are the same fans who had previously offered you their unwavering support during your private dispute over Rock of Gibraltar's breeding rights, despite Cubic Expression raising some very pertinent questions. In the spirit of fairness, we would like to invite you to clarify these comments by responding to a brief summary of our concerns:
1. You suggested that ‘the majority of real fans will look at it [Glazer ownership] and see that it’s not affecting the team’. Can you clarify what constitutes a real fan?
2. With thousands of fans leaving the club in protest over the Glazer regime, do you consider these time-served reds to be less than real fans?
3. Have you personally met with any of the dissenters to determine how deep their commitment and affection for United may be?
4. What are your thoughts on an atmosphere which gets markedly worse each season as more and more local, traditional fans are marginalised and alienated from the club?
5. You are also quoted in the interview as claiming ‘I’m absolutely comfortable with the Glazers situation. They’ve been great’. You are clearly aware of the opposition from the United fan base - does that not make you uncomfortable in any way?
6. What, in your view, would constitute poor owners?
7. You have repeatedly claimed to have been backed financially whenever you have requested transfer funds. Is this your only consideration when determining what represents great ownership?
8. You continued the interview by saying that, ‘the salaries, agent fees – is just getting ridiculous now’. Whilst we agree in tone, it does represent a sea change in attitude from pre Glazer transfers. Agent fees in both the Ferdinand and Rooney transfers were criticised at the time for being excessive, so why does the club now refuse to meet market conditions for the top players?
9. Do you believe Jorge Mendes’s £2.6m cut of the Bébé transfer, a full 35% of the total fee paid, represented good value?
10. With more than £250k leaving the club each day to service the Glazer debt, totalling over £500m since the takeover, is it so reprehensible for us to question your constant references to ‘value’?
Given your personal background and previous support for fan involvement we hope you take the trouble to respond to our deep concerns about both the club’s situation and the wording of the interview quoted.
Signed
Concerned Manchester United Fans

[Tutankhamun]

That's nothing. I've seen people say they'd rather be relegated than have the Glazers.

And yeah if they sell 10% they own 10% less. But they've valued United at $3bn (which is absurd) on purpose, even at $2.7bn and saddled with debt United are not attractive from a buyer point of view.

This IPO will not rid United of the Glazers. It will ease the debt but it's still not good news.

I don't see how getting regulated would help the value of the club. Truth is, winning titles would help more than losing titles when it comes to getting rid of the Glazers. They clearly want out now and they want to squeeze every penny they can out of the club before they leave so it would be better if a quick sale we're to happen that won't happen unless the value is at top though.

Well a value is just that a value, they can accept a bid that's worth less if they wanted to and they might listen to offers who knows. The debt I don't think hurts United from a buyers point of view since the club is still profitable the club itself could repay the debt themselves if needed. That's not a huge issue if you we're to buy United.

Of course the IPO will not get rid of the Glazers tomorrow but it is the first baby step to get rid of them. They, by selling 10% of their owning, signals to potential buyers looking for a majority stake that the time is ripe for a bid.

[dc89]

I don't see how getting regulated would help the value of the club. Truth is, winning titles would help more than losing titles when it comes to getting rid of the Glazers. They clearly want out now and they want to squeeze every penny they can out of the club before they leave so it would be better if a quick sale we're to happen that won't happen unless the value is at top though.

Well a value is just that a value, they can accept a bid that's worth less if they wanted to and they might listen to offers who knows. The debt I don't think hurts United from a buyers point of view since the club is still profitable the club itself could repay the debt themselves if needed. That's not a huge issue if you we're to buy United.

Of course the IPO will not get rid of the Glazers tomorrow but it is the first baby step to get rid of them. They, by selling 10% of their owning, signals to potential buyers looking for a majority stake that the time is ripe for a bid.

Your best hope is for the IPO to fail. The Glazers HAVE to pay their debts. If they can no longer rinse United, which they can't without the IPO as you don't have a lot of cash in the bank (see your latest financial results) they have to sell.

If the IPO succeeds - they will keep doing it. Paying a tiny amount of United's debt whilst lining their pockets.

Remarkable how this has happened to one of the worlds biggest clubs. If you were anything less than United, you'd be broke.

[Tutankhamun]

Your best hope is for the IPO to fail. The Glazers HAVE to pay their debts. If they can no longer rinse United, which they can't without the IPO as you don't have a lot of cash in the bank (see your latest financial results) they have to sell.

If the IPO succeeds - they will keep doing it. Paying a tiny amount of United's debt whilst lining their pockets.

Remarkable how this has happened to one of the worlds biggest clubs. If you were anything less than United, you'd be broke.

The Glazer family has no money to pay the debt with. They need money fast, that's why they're selling 10% in the first place. I wouldn't be so confident they'll sell the other 90% on the stock market if the IPO succeeds. It would be more prudent for them to sell a majority share to a single entity. My hope is that the shares will be sold to a lot of different entities I don't want a majority owner tbh.

The money in the bank won't be a factor for any potential buyer. You don't buy a company for their cash reserve. Anyone buying stock will look at the growth potential before buying.

Unfortunately, this will be become more common with all these private owners. I hope FIFA forbids clubs from selling themselves in the future.

[Firefox]

How did the Glazer's take control of the club anyways? Which idiots sold to them?

[dc89]

The Glazer family has no money to pay the debt with. They need money fast, that's why they're selling 10% in the first place. I wouldn't be so confident they'll sell the other 90% on the stock market if the IPO succeeds. It would be more prudent for them to sell a majority share to a single entity. My hope is that the shares will be sold to a lot of different entities I don't want a majority owner tbh.

The money in the bank won't be a factor for any potential buyer. You don't buy a company for their cash reserve. Anyone buying stock will look at the growth potential before buying.

Unfortunately, this will be become more common with all these private owners. I hope FIFA forbids clubs from selling themselves in the future.

What I meant about the cash in the bank is that using that is not a option for them to pay the debts with. If I remember from the financial results yesterday there is £40M cash.

It wouldn't put off a buyer, but a good thing IMO for United is it's not like you have £100m sat there that the Glazers could fiddle with.


How did the Glazer's take control of the club anyways? Which idiots sold to them?

It's long and convoluted but a blunt view is Fergie fell out with the previous majority shareholders over a race horse. They sold to the Glazer's IIRC.

[Tutankhamun]

How did the Glazer's take control of the club anyways? Which idiots sold to them?

A bit of unfortunate incidents leading up to todays situation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_united#Ownership_and_finances


What I meant about the cash in the bank is that using that is not a option for them to pay the debts with. If I remember from the financial results yesterday there is £40M cash.

It wouldn't put off a buyer, but a good thing IMO for United is it's not like you have £100m sat there that the Glazers could fiddle with.

Indeed. But I don't think they have any assets left to, themselves, pay off the debt with. So in essence they have to sell somehow. And they took the best route out for them. But I never thought it would happen any other way.

[LC77]

How did the Glazer's take control of the club anyways? Which idiots sold to them?

Rock Of Gibraltar.

Funny how there is no mention of the IPO on the United website, maybe the owners are to ashamed to publish the kind of fleecing they're upto.

I look forward to the first journalist asking if its true Fergie is set to make oodles of cash from the sale..... there are going to be a lot of empty press conferences this season.

[Tutankhamun]

Tigers tie up Amos loan

Hull City have confirmed Manchester United goalkeeper Ben Amos has officially completed his season-long loan move to the KC Stadium.

Amos had agreed to join the Tigers earlier this month and linked up with Steve Bruce's squad for a pre-season training camp in Portugal.

The 22-year-old subsequently took part in United's early pre-season action, but has now headed to Hull ahead of the new Championship campaign.

Sky Sports (http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7953190/)*

Good for Amos. I just hope neither De Gea or Lindeegard goes down with a serious injury.

[santinomarella]

I went to see Team GB Vs Uruguay today at the Millenium Stadium, it was good to see Cleverley play, he is looking good for next season. Gutted Giggs didn't play!

Was amusing booing Suarez at every touch, whole stadium was doing it. :lol: He had a bad game too which added to the fun. He had a hissy fit near HT, sat on the ground throwing bits of turf around like a 2 year old. :lol:

[Shibby]

If you're gonna boo him go ahead, nobody cares, but to do it during Uruguay's national anthem you're a cunt of the highest order.

EDIT: "you" is being used in a general sense here, not directing it at anyone in particular.

[santinomarella]

If you're gonna boo him go ahead, nobody cares, but to do it during Uruguay's national anthem you're a cunt of the highest order.

Actually the booing during the national anthem was limited, and only happened when he was shown on the big screen at the end of the anthem.

[Shibby]

Actually the booing during the national anthem was limited, and only happened when he was shown on the big screen at the end of the anthem.

No I get that it wasn't directed at the anthem but at him, but it's still during the anthem, and as such, an incredibly disrespectful thing to do.

[santinomarella]

No I get that it wasn't directed at the anthem but at him, but it's still during the anthem, and as such, an incredibly disrespectful thing to do.

As I said the booing during the anthem was limited, it was only when he touched the ball he was booed. A very friendly atmosphere all around with lots of banter between, Team Gb, Uruguay, Mexico and Switzerland fans who were all there that day.

[Shibby]

As I said the booing during the anthem was limited

That doesn't make it acceptable though, it still happened.

[santinomarella]

That doesn't make it acceptable though, it still happened.

I know that, but as I said in my original post the amusement of the boo's was whenever he touched the ball.

[Shibby]

Fair enough.

[yourmumsface17]

It shows what a massive cunt Suarez is if people take the time to boo him during the national anthem. :lol:



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[Shibby]

The media says "jump", Britain says "how high?".

[yourmumsface17]

Take off your support Suarez t shirt and realise people just dont like the guy. I dont think I need to post a list of reasons why either, anyway, whatever, have a good day!

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[Shibby]

I'm just saying that tons of people read headlines and don't form their own opinions. I'm not saying those opinions would be different if they weren't spoon-fed to them.

It's almost the PC thing to do to hate on him. Doesn't bother me, boo him all you like.

[manutdfan]

Suarez has brought it all on himself!

Yeah you shouldn't boo a national anthem apart from the English one.

[Tutankhamun]

Bebe participated and scored in a reserves pre-season game yesterday. He's scored in every game he's played thus far I think. Looks like he might actually be fighting for a spot in the big team.

[santinomarella]

I'm just saying that tons of people read headlines and don't form their own opinions. I'm not saying those opinions would be different if they weren't spoon-fed to them.

It's almost the PC thing to do to hate on him. Doesn't bother me, boo him all you like.

As manutdfan said, Suarez has brought this on himself. Numerous incidents throughout his career he has been in the spotlight for negative things, from racial abuse, diving, cheating, biting and persistently yelling at officials.

These kind of things are going to get him booed, it isn't all to do with the media like Liverpool fans always claim, fans can see for themselves when he starts doing stuff like this. Look at Ashley Young from last season, he got booed for his antics, Suarez does this too and more.

A lot of the boos he does receive are simply from fans trying to wind him up because it's likely it will get a reaction from him, after a frustrating first half yesterday he started punching the ground and throwing turf, it's hilarious and it's what the fans want from him. It's just like how players try and wind up certain players to get a reaction out of them and see them get in trouble.

You can blame the media all you want but fans don't need a news article to tell them what this player is like.

[mankind]

Suarez is a wanker

/discussion is now ended because I have spoken.

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex Ferguson speaks out over Manchester United share issue

Sir Alex Ferguson has today released a statement about Manchester United planned share issue.

"Being aware of the media coverage that is currently ongoing I felt, on this occasion, that I should make my position clear to the Manchester United fans.

"In regards to suggestions that I have praised the Glazer Family because I stand to financially benefit from the proposed IPO, there is not a single grain of truth in this allegation. I do not receive any payments, directly or indirectly, from the IPO.

"Ultimately, I run the football side of this club and in order to do this, you need backing from above.

"The Glazer family have let me get on with my job, there is no interference or obstruction, only support.

"My decisions and beliefs are not based around what is best for my personal financial gain. That is an accusation that insults me. If that was the case, I would have left Old Trafford a long time ago.

"I am speaking out because I do not want a situation to develop whereby the media and other parties create a rift, however small, between myself and any Manchester United fan. I've spent 25 years of my life pushing this club forward and not only could I not have done it without those fans, I do it for them."



Manchester Evening News (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1585194_sir-alex-ferguson-speaks-out-over-manchester-united-share-issue)*

[dc89]

Fergie just doesn't get it, United fans do not like to read this - "there is no interference or obstruction, only support." Maybe words of support, but certainly not the money. Someone needs to directly ask him:

"Have the Glazers' financial difficulties impacted in the transfers coming in to the squad?" There's pretty tangible evidence they have.

But no one will, because they will get banned. But they should.

[LC77]

Funny how all the talk is now about the IPO, Glazers & Fergie. What happened to the chatter about players coming in? :cool:

So far this summer is similar to last. The biggest signing United have talked about, is a spangly new sponsorship deal.

[Shibby]

As manutdfan said, Suarez has brought this on himself. Numerous incidents throughout his career he has been in the spotlight for negative things, from racial abuse, diving, cheating, biting and persistently yelling at officials.

These kind of things are going to get him booed, it isn't all to do with the media like Liverpool fans always claim, fans can see for themselves when he starts doing stuff like this. Look at Ashley Young from last season, he got booed for his antics, Suarez does this too and more.

A lot of the boos he does receive are simply from fans trying to wind him up because it's likely it will get a reaction from him, after a frustrating first half yesterday he started punching the ground and throwing turf, it's hilarious and it's what the fans want from him. It's just like how players try and wind up certain players to get a reaction out of them and see them get in trouble.

You can blame the media all you want but fans don't need a news article to tell them what this player is like.

I'm not saying he didn't bring it on himself. I clearly said the opinion would probably be unchanged.

But shit like THIS (https://p.twimg.com/AzQiTN7CcAEhzXb.jpg) is unacceptable from the media and doesn't help at all.

[santinomarella]

I don't get why so many people are wanting or expecting Sir Alex to speak negatively about the Glazers, they're his boss, you do that you get sacked. The last thing we need going into a new season is a row between Sir Alex and the Glazers.

[Tutankhamun]

Fergie just doesn't get it, United fans do not like to read this - "there is no interference or obstruction, only support." Maybe words of support, but certainly not the money. Someone needs to directly ask him:

"Have the Glazers' financial difficulties impacted in the transfers coming in to the squad?" There's pretty tangible evidence they have.

But no one will, because they will get banned. But they should.

He's getting the support he wants which is money. £50m last season and £25m this season thus far testifies to that.

People think we don't have money just because we won't pay astronomical fees and wages. But that doesn't mean we couldn't, it just means we won't. I happen to agree that the money clubs like Chelsea, City and PSG are throwing around is stupid money and it'll come back to bite them.

[yourmumsface17]

I'm not saying he didn't bring it on himself. I clearly said the opinion would probably be unchanged.

But shit like THIS (https://p.twimg.com/AzQiTN7CcAEhzXb.jpg) is unacceptable from the media and doesn't help at all.

Did I click the right link? I saw the guardian saying that Suarez was accused of using racist language.

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[Tutankhamun]

manutd.com* <br />
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I confess I don't remember what Tweet he's charged for. Nor would I understand it anyway, the slang Rio uses goes way over my understanding.

[Shibby]

its a side by side of guardian reporting Terry and Suarez FA charges. The body of the text is EXACTLY the same. The headline for Suarez: charged with racism. For Terry: charged with abusive language.

[three3-times]

Funny how all the talk is now about the IPO, Glazers & Fergie. What happened to the chatter about players coming in? :cool:

So far this summer is similar to last. The biggest signing United have talked about, is a spangly new sponsorship deal.

i was just about to post the exact same thing......chelski are signing all the attacking talent around, arsenal are signing players, citeh cant just yet and we are dithering about this shit.....i didnt really belive we could afford to spunk £50mil on rvp and moura......

[three3-times]

he RT someone calling ashley cole a choc ice....i must confess, im black and from london and ive NEVER heard that before!! but apparently it means a bounty, some one who is black but is white on the...

[Tutankhamun]

I would say Kagawa was a really big signing. Some fans seems to think we we're the only one in for him - that wasn't the case. Getting Kagawa was a big accomplishment.

It's hard to argue that the transfer policy of Chelsea and City is healthy long-term. It is easy to see their signings over the years as good value short term but taking a broader perspective that's not the type of deals you'd want your club to make to survive long-term.

[mankind]

Fergie just doesn't get it, United fans do not like to read this - "there is no interference or obstruction, only support." Maybe words of support, but certainly not the money. Someone needs to directly ask him:

"Have the Glazers' financial difficulties impacted in the transfers coming in to the squad?" There's pretty tangible evidence they have.

But no one will, because they will get banned. But they should.


You are on my fucking last nerve

[dc89]

I've never heard it before either. And I usually know all the insults :P <br />
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Well there used to be a Ignore feature. But as a mod I can't ignore people so I don't know where it is or how to do...

[three3-times]

Nuri sahin is available on loan and we aint even trying to get him............

yeah, cos carrick and scholes are the way forward ffs

[manutdfan]

We don't want players on loan unless there's an option to buy them.