The Manchester United Thread

[yourmumsface17]

Apparently Chelseas goal had some offside to it...

Anyone whos says we get all the decisions can go **** themselves

[dc89]

There were rumors of a plane flying over OT with a banner at the back of it protesting about the Glazers. Does anyone know if it went ahead?

http://i39.tinypic.com/20u956b.jpg

That's courtesy of some joker City fans.

1-0 @ Chelsea
1-0 @ United.

EDIT!

Wigan are down to 10 men. Chelsea Penalty.

[Tutankhamun]

Good goal by Fletcher! Come on you Wigan!

[dc89]

Chelsea 2-0. Lampard.

[Tutankhamun]

Chelsea 2-0. Lampard.

Yup, it's over. I'm going to get hammered.

[emmerich]

game over :(

[dc89]

Getting hammered as in getting drunk?

[emmerich]

Off who?
hammered = drunk

[Tutankhamun]

Off who?

Booze

[dc89]

Ahh well have fun!

2-0 United. Nice goal there.

[emmerich]

god i would love an n'zogbia hat-trick right now.. not gonna happen tho

[Tutankhamun]

**** I just have two beers at home, will have to experience this sober then.

The stream I was watching got shut down by the FA lol. Found a new one though.

[yourmumsface17]

Berba assist :snicker Berbas playing very well not that any of you will ever dream point that out

...waits to be flamed :snicker

[dc89]

Off topic I know but come on Burnley!!!! Do 'em for City.

[powerslave205]

Berba assist :snicker Berbas playing very well not that any of you will ever dream point that out

...waits to be flamed :snicker
yourmommysface, if he played like this on the regular basis he wouldn't be half bad.

[powerslave205]

Off topic I know but come on Burnley!!!! Do 'em for City.

Do that **** in your own thread.

[Tutankhamun]

Berba assist :snicker Berbas playing very well not that any of you will ever dream point that out

...waits to be flamed :snicker


God, Berbatov can't hit the broad side of a barn.

QFT

[mankind]

We just were not good enough to win, we have a weaker squad when we let tevez and ronaldo go. Wonder what players we get in the summer.

[manutdfan]

Berba assist :snicker Berbas playing very well not that any of you will ever dream point that out

...waits to be flamed :snicker

Yeah against a Stoke team with nothing to play for, who haven't put up much of a fight.

What about the two great headed chances he missed.

[Tutankhamun]

We just were not good enough to win, we have a weaker squad when we let tevez and ronaldo go. Wonder what players we get in the summer.

They said something interesting on Sky that we get our next superstars when we lose the league, like Rooney and Ronaldo, so someone on sky thought we would get our next superstar in the summer to support Rooney.

[yourmumsface17]

QFT

Yeh he missed 2 good chances, maybe it's cos of a lack of confidence? Maybe that's because he gets slated all the ********** time.

...and if you can't see some of the build up play he's provided today then your officially blind thank you.

Congrats to Chelsea for winning the league anyway...lol at Drogbas hissy fit

[powerslave205]

Doesn't anybody else thinks its pathetic that we lost 2 key players and chelsea BARELY beat us??

[manutdfan]

We've spend £18 mill so far on smalling and Hernandez, so should have a bit left to spend. Big rumour is that Benzema is our top summer target.

We will get money for Berbatov and Carrick if we can get buyers.

[Tutankhamun]

Yeh he missed 2 good chances, maybe it's cos of a lack of confidence? Maybe that's because he gets slated all the ********** time.

...and if you can't see some of the build up play he's provided today then your officially blind thank you.

Congrats to Chelsea for winning the league anyway...lol at Drogbas hissy fit

I need my strikers to score not pass.

[Danny2304]

I'm rooting for Chelsea as you know being a Liverpool fan but tbh it doesn't really matter because it's just a matter of time before you get number 19 :lol:

[dc89]

Own goal.

3-0.

Still need a miracle.

[yourmumsface17]

Own goal!!

[yourmumsface17]

I need my strikers to score not pass.

That's why he generally plays behind Rooney... If Berba goes and you complaina bout a lack of creativity, i'm jumping on you like a sumo wrestler :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

That's why he generally plays behind Rooney... If Berba goes and you complaina bout a lack of creativity, i'm jumping on you like a sumo wrestler :lol:

Fair enough! Not long to wait now until we knows what SAF wants to do. You might be right and he keeps him or I'm right, who knows?

[dc89]

Chelsea 4-0 now.

Erm 5-0 now. Drogba. And that puts him ahead of Rooney in PL goals scored.

Edit: Drogba scores a penalty. 6-0.

oh. 7-0.

...8-0.

[Tutankhamun]

Chelsea 4-0 now.

This makes me a sad panda :( Now I'm cheering for Rooney to score so he wins the golden boot.

[yourmumsface17]

Nearly a Neville special lol

[santinomarella]

So close to seeing a Gary Neville wonder goal!

[Tutankhamun]

Hmm, does Neville think he has Ronaldo's ability? :lol:

So was that the last we will see of Berbatov? I think so.

[yourmumsface17]

What do you mean Neville having Ronaldos ability?

Ronaldo dreams of having Nevilles ability :D

[Tutankhamun]

What do you mean Neville having Ronaldos ability?

Ronaldo dreams of having Nevilles ability :D

Probably lays awake at night wondering how Neville did some of his famous tricks at practice.

[yourmumsface17]

As does Messi

[Tutankhamun]

As does Messi

Even more so, Messi can't understand how they can be the same height but not as good as each other.

[Aizen-Sama]

Oh well at least we still have the world cup to look forward to with Rio captaining the side and Rooney leading the line for us.

Plus next season will be a lot more exciting since we will be chasing the title again and it will be even sweeter when we lift the title at the end of the season and surpass Liverpool. :)

1-2 two new signings in the Summer should make things a lot more exciting as well.

[manutdfan]

Hope it's the last we see of Berbatov. The Tut man is correct we need out strikers to score goals.

got to look forward to next season now and see what happens in the transfer market.

Hunterlaar is the cheaper option over Benzema but not sure about him. Hamsik and Gourcuff will probably be cheaper than Modric. But I'd prefer Modric.

Then could get a new goalie Lloris, Akinfeev or Nuer maybe. Akinfeev might be available on a free.

Will be interesting to see who we buy?

[santinomarella]

Park!!

[Danny2304]

7-0 Chelski now. They didn't hang around did they :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

"Park, Park, Where ever you may be
You eat dogs in your home country
But it could be worse
You could be a *censored*
Eating rats in your council house"

[santinomarella]

"Park, Park, Where ever you may be
You eat dogs in your home country
But it could be worse
You could be a *censored*
Eating rats in your council house"

:lol: :lol:

[jj03]

As a season ticket holder, i gota say the team needs several new player's in key positions. specifically tho, berbatov needs to go.

The man is dead wood, and for united, he just isn't good enough.

Also, a replacement for ryan giggs should be at the top of the list in addition to a new striker.

Carrick needs to go, and i think he will.

[dc89]

8-0.

[John25]

"Park, Park, Where ever you may be
You eat dogs in your home country
But it could be worse
You could be a *censored*
Eating rats in your council house"

Ha ha f**k you tut :lol: but to be fair Chelsea have been playing some outragous football this Season and have deserved their Title this season

[Tutankhamun]

Ha ha f**k you tut :lol: but to be fair Chelsea have been playing some outragous football this Season and have deserved their Title this season

xD Had to censor it! I'm not really allowed to post that chant no more, shh!

[John25]

grr so gutted we never won our last game as we would have overtook the Norweigan reds into 7th place

[dc89]

I asked in my earlier post about any protests at OT.

Well there was protests. United fans set off green and yellow smoke bombs and even threw one into the clubs store injuring one person.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47808000/jpg/_47808024_-20.jpg

Idiocy. I mean those people who protested, after finishing that they would have gone and sat in their usual seat as a season ticket holder. Next they will renew their season ticket. If I was Glazer I could take all that money off 70K plus every week because all they are doing is waving some green and yellow scarf and singing some songs.

Time for a boycott I feel.

[yourmumsface17]

xD Had to censor it! I'm not really allowed to post that chant no more, shh!

But munich chants are just fine... :lol:

Well played Chelsea, although i'm still bitter over both are games this season I will be man enough to say congrats (unlike lots of Liverpool fans last year).

I'm absolutely convinced we will win it next year, with or without new players... tbh I don't give a s*** about the world cup.

and for those of you who are about to completely flame Berba, Giggs, Carrick... get ready to argue :snicker

[manutdfan]

In:

Lloris
Modric
Milner
Striker?

Out:

Carrick
Wellbeck
Tosic
Foster
Berbatov

[yourmumsface17]

In:

Lloris
Modric
Milner
Striker?

Out:

Carrick
Wellbeck
Tosic
Foster
Berbatov

Go back to football manager please, this is the real world.

[John25]

In Berba we laugh at lol

tbh i dont see why yers dont go for Bent the guys a consistant 25+ goalscorer .I wish Moyesy had the money to go for him myself.

But i think he would be a good fit for your lot ?

[dc89]

Go back to football manager please, this is the real world.

The real world where City are a serious financial competitor.

[yourmumsface17]

The real world where City are a serious financial competitor.

errrrm...yes...that world....how I dislike that world :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

The real world where City are a serious financial competitor.

Yeah, your lot should be able to get players like Kaka, oh you tried that and failed? Silly me.



In:

Lloris
Modric
Milner
Striker?

Out:

Carrick
Wellbeck
Tosic
Foster
Berbatov

I think Tosic and Wellbeck will stay. Carrick, Berbatov and Foster will most likely leave. As for in, Modric feels like a given. Might bring in a striker, might give Macheda a chance.

[santinomarella]

The real world where City are a serious financial competitor.

Well that's obvious :lol: Hopefully the lack of Champions League football keeps many world class players away. :snicker

[Tutankhamun]

Well that's obvious :lol: Hopefully the lack of Champions League football keeps many world class players away. :snicker

Dosen't matter how much makeup you put on a pig, it's still a pig. City will learn that the hard way.

[dc89]

Typical day really.

Spurs lose to the worst team in the league after luckily beating City.

[santinomarella]

Dosen't matter how much makeup you put on a pig, it's still a pig. City will learn that the hard way.

:lol: :lol:

I wander if Robinho will return to them?

[Tutankhamun]

:lol: :lol:

I wander if Robinho will return to them?

No way in hell that he will. He didn't like it there, he's staying in Brazil or back to Spain imho.

P.S I'm pretty funny today isn't I? :lol:

[santinomarella]

No way in hell that he will. He didn't like it there, he's staying in Brazil or back to Spain imho.

P.S I'm pretty funny today isn't I? :lol:

Maybe us. :snicker :o

[Tutankhamun]

Maybe us. :snicker :o

Now that would be a twist! Don't know if I want him to, seems to spread bad energy. But DC does that to and I still like him ;)

[manutdfan]

Yeah Modric should be our number one target, wonder if they would want Carrick back?

Milner is a goal scoring midfielder just what we need.

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah Modric should be our number one target, wonder if they would want Carrick back?

Milner is a goal scoring midfielder just what we need.

They might take Carrick, rumors have it Carrick + £15 for Modric, I would do that deal in a New York second.

[yourmumsface17]

Typical day really.

Spurs lose to the worst team in the league after luckily beating City.

How did they luckily beat you? You guys choked and Spurs were better

[dc89]

I still think in all seriousness you will not get Modric. I mean Spurs are going to need him aren't they.

But I think you will make a move for Stephen Ireland.

[Tutankhamun]

I still think in all seriousness you will not get Modric. I mean Spurs are going to need him aren't they.

YouTube- "I'm going to make him an offer he can't refuse."

[manutdfan]

They might take Carrick, rumors have it Carrick + £15 for Modric, I would do that deal in a New York second.

Yeah too right!! Would be a great deal.

[santinomarella]

I still think in all seriousness you will not get Modric. I mean Spurs are going to need him aren't they.

But I think you will make a move for Stephen Ireland.

I agree, I don't think we will sign Modric either, now Spurs have made the Champions league, they will be looking to build upon their squad, not sell their better players.

Ireland I don't know though.

[manutdfan]

Jack Rodwell is a player we've been tracking for a while aswell.

[Tutankhamun]

We will get Modric, I'm 100% sure about that. SAF won't be denied by a fluke season from the ninjas. He's going to pull a Godfather offer.

[dc89]

Has Vidic made his mind up yet?

[yourmumsface17]

I think we might get one or two more players and that'll be it I think

[manutdfan]

It's been a bad few days... the blues won the election and the Premier League.

[yourmumsface17]

^^ Yeah the colour blue is haunting me :(

[Tutankhamun]

I think we might get one or two more players and that'll be it I think

Two players that goes into the squad on the opening day, and a goalie keeper prospect to fill in the boots of VDS. Now when Foster wants out. That's my prediction.

[StaticAge]

Has Vidic made his mind up yet?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jNM6X_DrRWETbXkV6VMSF3qsKRyw

[Aizen-Sama]

The only position I think we might need an extra player for is up front.

Keeping and Defense options are fine. Midfield is full of options and we still have Hargreaves and Anderson to return next season. Nani and Valencia will only improve next season and we have Giggs and Park for different options on those sides.

Up front I think if we get another striker then that will take away Machaeda's chances next season. I still think Berba can prove himself and Owen is still around.

Maybe a first nippy striker like Benzema would be a good addition since he's bit different to Rooney and his style.

[John25]

So no one got an opinion on Bent whos a consistant 25+ goalscorer ?

[santinomarella]

Two players that goes into the squad on the opening day, and a goalie keeper prospect to fill in the boots of VDS. Now when Foster wants out. That's my prediction.

I think its definite Foster will go, the only player who I can really be sure who will be leaving. He's going to be a great keeper I think but not sitting on the bench, at the moment he's not good enough to replace VDS and Kusackaskackacs has done well when covering VDS.

[yourmumsface17]

The only position I think we might need an extra player for is up front.

Keeping and Defense options are fine. Midfield is full of options and we still have Hargreaves and Anderson to return next season. Nani and Valencia will only improve next season and we have Giggs and Park for different options on those sides.

Up front I think if we get another striker then that will take away Machaeda's chances next season. I still think Berba can prove himself and Owen is still around.

Maybe a first nippy striker like Benzema would be a good addition since he's bit different to Rooney and his style.

Good post, hopefully we won't need Benzema and maybe Chicharito will be that man :D

EDIT: @John I dunno with him, I just get that feeling that he is a small club player, but who knows

[manutdfan]

The only position I think we might need an extra player for is up front.

Keeping and Defense options are fine. Midfield is full of options and we still have Hargreaves and Anderson to return next season. Nani and Valencia will only improve next season and we have Giggs and Park for different options on those sides.

Up front I think if we get another striker then that will take away Machaeda's chances next season. I still think Berba can prove himself and Owen is still around.

Maybe a first nippy striker like Benzema would be a good addition since he's bit different to Rooney and his style.

If we do buy another striker that would be the end of Berbatov though.

[Tutankhamun]

So no one got an opinion on Bent whos a consistant 25+ goalscorer ?

He's 26 now, we have some sort of policy not to buy players over 25 if it's not extreme cases.


If we do buy another striker that would be the end of Berbatov though.

Yup, if we get a striker is a replacement for Berbatov, if SAF doesn't feel anybody of the young guys can step in into his boots.

[dc89]

Well United fans it's been a good race.

City did there best to help you, taking 6 points from the Champions and giving you 6! Next year you will not get the points from us!

[StaticAge]

That's ok. We won it fine when you did the double over us two seasons ago. Thanks anyway though :)

[squirrelbo1]

ive just come to gloat so dont mine me

[squirrelbo1]

He's 26 now, we have some sort of policy not to buy players over 25 if it's not extreme cases.


not sure where you got that policy from berba is 29 and he sucks bawls. owen you got this year, hargreves was over 25, carick was probs over 25 when you got him. um van der sar, bartez just of the top of my head

[Tutankhamun]

not sure where you got that policy from berba is 29 and he sucks bawls. owen you got this year, hargreves was over 25, carick was probs over 25 when you got him. um van der sar, bartez just of the top of my head

The policy was created after Berba, suprise, suprise.

[squirrelbo1]

The policy was created after Berba, suprise, suprise.

o ok, fair enough, is this definitive or just speculation on your part ?

[StaticAge]

It was something going around on news sites, I'm not sure if there was ever anything official.

[squirrelbo1]

It was something going around on news sites, I'm not sure if there was ever anything official.

hmmmm ok, so its probably more to the line that utd are going to focus on bringing in young players, rather than "wont sign over 25 year olds"

[manutdfan]

But munich chants are just fine... :lol:

Well played Chelsea, although i'm still bitter over both are games this season I will be man enough to say congrats (unlike lots of Liverpool fans last year).

I'm absolutely convinced we will win it next year, with or without new players... tbh I don't give a s*** about the world cup.

and for those of you who are about to completely flame Berba, Giggs, Carrick... get ready to argue :snicker

Yeah Sweden didn't qualify so we won't see the fit Swedish birds (fans) on the TV.


The policy was created after Berba,
suprise, suprise.

Well done Berba!

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah Sweden didn't qualify so we won't see the fit Swedish birds (fans) on the TV.

It's going to be a busy summmer for me anyway, so many birds to catch!


o ok, fair enough, is this definitive or just speculation on your part ?

I don't speculate, I'm a fact machine :lol:

[manutdfan]

It's going to be a busy summmer for me anyway, so many birds to catch!

I don't speculate, I'm a fact machine :lol:

LOL yeah if your single he got to get length wet over the summer months, with various birds. :D

[Tutankhamun]

LOL yeah if your single he got to get length wet over the summer months, with various birds. :D

Let's hope so! That's always the goal anyway :lol: And unlike Berba, I'm quite good at hitting the target :p

[yourmumsface17]

Let's hope so! That's always the goal anyway :lol: And unlike Berba, I'm quite good at hitting the target :p

Ohhhhhhhhhh :lol:

[manutdfan]

Let's hope so! That's always the goal anyway :lol: And unlike Berba, I'm quite good at hitting the target :p

LOL

Berbatov couldn't hit the g spot on a 14 pound *****. :D

[Tutankhamun]

LOL

Berbatov couldn't hit the g spot on a 14 pound *****. :D

HAHA! Ever considered standup? You'd kill it :p

[yourmumsface17]

HAHA! Ever considered standup? You'd kill it :p

By kill it, you mean kill the crowd right :snicker

[manutdfan]

HAHA! Ever considered standup? You'd kill it :p

LOL! Cheers. :D

Did it once in school for some Charity event.

[Tutankhamun]

LOL! Cheers. :D

Did it once in school for some Charity event.

I've always wanted to try, will have to do it sometime! How did you do when you tried?

Here's an interesting read:


Ferguson pledges to win back Premier League title

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson vowed to win back the Premier League title next season after his side finished runners-up to Chelsea.
United defeated Stoke 4-0 on the final day of the campaign but Chelsea thrashed Wigan 8-0 to deny Ferguson's team a record fourth successive title.
"Next year hopefully we can bring back the title to the best place in the world," said Ferguson.
"But now we must congratulate Carlo Ancelotti and his Chelsea team."
United needed to defeat Stoke and Chelsea to slip up if they were to retain their Premier League title.
Darren Fletcher, Giggs and Park Ji-Sung scored for United, while Danny Higginbotham added an own goal as Ferguson's team made light work of their task, but Chelsea scored an early goal at Stamford Bridge and went on to demolish the Latics and finish one point ahead.
"It is a terrific achievement to beat Manchester United [to the title]," added Ferguson of Chelsea's first Premier League triumph since 2006.

"It is a terrific achievement to beat Manchester United [to the title]," added Ferguson of Chelsea's first Premier League triumph since 2006.

"If at the start of the season someone had said the title race would have been taken to the wire we would have been happy knowing that most times we win but not this time.
"When we heard that Wigan had gone down to 10 men, hope evaporated then.
"The players and supporters are always magnificent and they have been again. I think they can be proud of the challenge for a fourth title in a row.
"I am not going to agonise about where it went wrong. Sometimes you get the breaks, on other occasions you don't."
United ended the season with only the Carling Cup to show for their efforts, having been knocked out of the FA Cup by Leeds and losing to Bayern Munich over two legs in their Champions League quarter-final tie.
"The biggest disappointment is the tie against Bayern Munich," said the Scot.
"We deserved to go through and we should be [playing in the final] in Madrid."
Ferguson hinted that he would be looking to strengthen his squad the summer, adding: "We have got ideas. We are looking at the structure of the club.
"There may be one or two things but at the moment nothing is signed. We have a good squad but we have to do one or two things."
Ferguson's team lost seven games during the Premier League season, while Chelsea were defeated on six occasions.
"It was a weird season," said United veteran Ryan Giggs, who scored his team's second goal against Stoke with a precise first-time finish.
"We lost games that we did not expect to and so did other teams. The quality has been better and we have to up our game next year if we want to contend again.

"We will do that and the manager will look at what he needs to do over the summer."
Stoke boss Tony Pulis had no complaints about the result and afterwards suggested Ferguson will be extra motivated next season to regain the Premier League title.
"Manchester United is one of the greatest clubs in the world," said the Potters boss.
"They have got the greatest manager in English football and he will be even more determined next year."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8670953.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[R3D D3V!L]

It is an interesting read. Fergie knows what we need. (hopefully a new striker and centre midfielder)

[manutdfan]

I've always wanted to try, will have to do it sometime! How did you do when you tried?

Here's an interesting read:



http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8670953.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

It went ok.. I got a few laughs. was good fun!

Yeah interesting read


How did they luckily beat you? You guys choked and Spurs were better

Yeah i'm with momsboat how did Spurs luckily beat Man city DC?

[dc89]

The Red Knights have said they will not pay over the odds for Manchester United after it has emerged the Glazers turned down a £1.5Bn take over deal from a Middle Eastern investment group last year.

MUST are now calling for a full boycott if the Glazers turn down a offer of £1Bn from the Red Knights which is rumoured to be put forward in the near future.

Full story over with The Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article7121677.ece).

[Demiant]

Doesn't anybody else thinks its pathetic that we lost 2 key players and chelsea BARELY beat us??
How is that remotely close to pathetic? Sure, the SB result was a bit unfair but they beat us at OT... not a lot of teams can boast about that. They completely annihilated some teams, they beat every attacking record in the books...


Yeah, your lot should be able to get players like Kaka, oh you tried that and failed? Silly me.




I think Tosic and Wellbeck will stay. Carrick, Berbatov and Foster will most likely leave. As for in, Modric feels like a given. Might bring in a striker, might give Macheda a chance.
Welbeck will stay or leave on loan, but we won't sell. Tosic I'm not sure about. Carrick will stay I think. Berbatov & Foster are definitely leaving.


They might take Carrick, rumors have it Carrick + £15 for Modric, I would do that deal in a New York second.
You're very gullible if you think Spurs are that idiotic. We won't be getting Modric, simply because Spurs have no reason to sell. They're in the CL, they'll keep their best players.


Has Vidic made his mind up yet?
One day he's here, the next he's in Spain. I've already come to grips with the fact that he's most likely out in the summer. If he stays, it'll be a nice surprise.


not sure where you got that policy from berba is 29 and he sucks bawls. owen you got this year, hargreves was over 25, carick was probs over 25 when you got him. um van der sar, bartez just of the top of my head
Yeah we got it just after the Berbs transfer, the Glazers forced it on us. Tbh, I actually agree with it. And the actually policy is not the buy any players over 26 unless it's an EXTREMELY good deal. Hence Owen on a free.

[Tutankhamun]

You're very gullible if you think Spurs are that idiotic. We won't be getting Modric, simply because Spurs have no reason to sell. They're in the CL, they'll keep their best players.

I didn't say they would do it, I said that was the rumors. I'm hoping SAF puts forward a deal they can't refuse, Godfather style.

[Demiant]

Rant time:

Basically, a lot of people expected us to finish 2nd this season. I was optimistic and thought we'd win it, as I thought Rooney would step it up after Ronaldo leaving (which he did) and Berbs would step it up after Tevez leaving (which he didn't). I definitely didn't expect us to a play a 451 in the majority of our games, with tripe like Gibson & Giggs in our midfield. But Chelsea have a better team than we do and deservedly won the title. And if you disagree, let's do a comparison:

Cech = VDS

Ivanovic > Neville/Rafael
Terry > Rio (this season atleast)
Carvalho/Alex < Vidic
Cole = Evra (basically, it's just personal preference. I prefer Patrice but they're both just as good)

Joe Cole/Kalou < Valencia
Mikel/Essien < Fletcher (THIS season, mainly because Essien's been injured. Overall I think Essien's the better player.)
Lampard > Carrick/Scholes
Malouda > Nani (Nani's had a great 2nd half of season, but Malouda's been consistent throughout.)

Drogba = Rooney
Anelka > Berbatov

So to me that's 5-3 Chelsea and 3 equals.

What we REALLY lack is that Lampard-esque midfielder. The creative kind that will consistently get you 20 goals a season. I'd be happy with a mid that's consistently get us 15.

Solution: Gourcuff, imo. I watch him play on a regular basis and he's definitely the kind of player we need. I've seen some of Hamsik as well, but not as much. The reason I list Gourcuff is because Bordeaux are missing out on the CL (and maybe EL as well), and he's said he wants to play CL football. 20m gets him imo, but seeing as how we don't have cash, I'll be very surprised if we do.

Also, we need to get rid of Berbs... we've been patient enough with him and it's just not working. Macheda's good enough to be backup, but we need another striker to be played alongside Rooney imo and one capable of playing on his own when we play 451.

Solution: Benzema would probably be our best bet. Good enough to play on his own, and a very good finisher to put away the chances that Berba couldn't this year. I also think he's our most probable "big" signing. Get him and I'll be happy about our attacking options.

Now, a lot of people will disagree with me but I do honestly believe Vidic is leaving in the summer. If he does, it'll be for 20-30m depending on which tabloid you read. Now I have a lot of faith in Evans but Rio can't play a full season and Smalling isn't good enough yet, even if he does have the potential. Oh and I don't rate Brown at CB at all... horrible positioning. I think if we do sell Vidic, we need a new CB.

Solution: Lots of rumours linking us with Chiellini. Top-notch CB, but I doubt we'll get him simply because I don't see Fergie paying that much for a CB. Would love to have him, but I honestly don't believe it. Now, I'd love to get someone like Cahill or Shawcross, and they'd definitely be cheaper than Chiellini. Personally, I like both about the same but Shawcross would be the cheaper of the two so probably gun for him. :)

And our last problem, VDS. He's a good keeper, but not the world-class keeper he once was imo, and he's knocking on a bit... turning 40. We need a new keeper, someone who's top notch.

Solution: Lloris, hands down. Has been the best GK in the world this season, imo... if Lyon got to the semis of the CL, it's in large part due to him. They're looking likely to make CL as well, again thanks to him. Has also been quality for France. The only thing is he'd probably be more expensive than Neuer/Akinfeev, but I definitely think he's worth the money.

As for the other positions:

RB: We have Neville/Rafael/O'Shea/Brown who can all play there and De Laet from our reserves who's been solid every time I've seen him. We're set.

LB: No question really, Evra's the best in the world atm and Fabio/O'Shea/De Laet are good enough for backup.

DM: Hesitated about this one. We have Fletcher, but he's not your out & out DM. I mainly hoped Hargreaves would be fit for next season and back to his usual self. And I also think Anderson's good on the defensive front.

Wingers: Nani & Valencia are definitely good enough (if Nani keeps up his 2nd half of season form), and Park is good cover for both. If we keep Tosic, that'll also be him & Obertan as young cover.

The only other thing of note is the oldies. Again, most people here disagree with me but I think Giggs/Neville should have hung up their boots already. I just hope we'll be seeing less of them next season. Neville's been alright but I'm mainly on about Giggs... please retire, you legend... pretty please with a cherry on top?

So there it is, my view on our squad.

Oh, and well done Chelsea. Biggest Premiership win in your history to win the league, kudos. Let's hope for another thrilling title race next season, but with the league coming back north. :)

[three3-times]

Good post Deminat, ill add mine in a bit,

btw, are u on the sigames forum?

[Demiant]

Good post Deminat, ill add mine in a bit,

btw, are u on the sigames forum?
Yeah but I BARELY post there. I mainly read. Only have like 30 posts lol.

[Metal Warrior]

Solution: Gourcuff, imo. I watch him play on a regular basis and he's definitely the kind of player we need. I've seen some of Hamsik as well, but not as much. The reason I list Gourcuff is because Bordeaux are missing out on the CL (and maybe EL as well), and he's said he wants to play CL football. 20m gets him imo, but seeing as how we don't have cash, I'll be very surprised if we do.

Don't expect us to be spending like crazy, but 20m definately isn't out of the question. If SAF has a realistic chance of getting someone of Gourcuff's quality for that amount, he won't think twice, and I don't think the Glazers will stop him. I haven't seen any evidence yet that they wouldn't let SAF spend any money. Yeah they probably didn't let him spend 40m or more on a player last summer, but that's not good value for money. I'd say 20m transfers are not out of our reach. I'm more worried about his price being much higher than that.

And after all, Gill recently stated SAF would be given a summer warchest. We'll find out I guess.

[yourmumsface17]

I agree with alot of your post Demiat, although harsh on Giggs like normal.

Except why do we think Macheda is good enough backup? I know most people love him on this forum, but what has he really really done to be justified as Rooneys backup?

I'd be delighted if we got a goal scoring midfielder, other than that i'm unsure on what we need, I wouldn't bemoan a striker but we have that Pokemon Chicharito coming in so maybe he could be the man.

Rooney, Owen, Berba, Chiccy, Macheda <-- I'm fine with this, but if we got another meh, I wouldn't be disapointed. Not fussed.

I havn't seen Vidic leaving rumours for a long time tbh, but hopefully he stays, Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Brown...and O Shea plays quite well there. Were pretty well covered

VDS has been fine, that Akinfeev looks good maybe he's an option for when VDS hangs his boots, and tbh Kuscackcakakac has done fine when he filled in, so I say keep them for another season.

[three3-times]

YMF;s who are you quoting there with your Nani thing??!!!

I think the wheels are already in motion to sign 1 or 2 players and have 1 or 2 players leave.

i dont think vidic will leave at all. quote me if u want!

[yourmumsface17]

I'm quoting Manutdfan lol although I saw a few other quotes from others who I was tempted to have instead lol.

I think Fergie said in an interview he has an eye on one or two, what would we think about Joe Cole on a free?

[three3-times]

I'm quoting Manutdfan lol although I saw a few other quotes from others who I was tempted to have instead lol.

I think Fergie said in an interview he has an eye on one or two, what would we think about Joe Cole on a free?

LOL! Was i one of them???!?!!!

Hmmm, no, not for me. I can see him ending up at citeh or spurs though.

However, on a free with 2 marquee signings, then yeah! Like i said, im sure our transfer business is already underway or done and dusted

[Demiant]

Don't expect us to be spending like crazy, but 20m definately isn't out of the question. If SAF has a realistic chance of getting someone of Gourcuff's quality for that amount, he won't think twice, and I don't think the Glazers will stop him. I haven't seen any evidence yet that they wouldn't let SAF spend any money. Yeah they probably didn't let him spend 40m or more on a player last summer, but that's not good value for money. I'd say 20m transfers are not out of our reach. I'm more worried about his price being much higher than that.

And after all, Gill recently stated SAF would be given a summer warchest. We'll find out I guess.
Gourcuff would be 25m tops because he has a stipulation in his contract that says if Bordeaux fail to make CL then he has a 25m buy-out clause.


I agree with alot of your post Demiat, although harsh on Giggs like normal.

1. Except why do we think Macheda is good enough backup? I know most people love him on this forum, but what has he really really done to be justified as Rooneys backup?

2. I'd be delighted if we got a goal scoring midfielder, other than that i'm unsure on what we need, I wouldn't bemoan a striker but we have that Pokemon Chicharito coming in so maybe he could be the man.

Rooney, Owen, Berba, Chiccy, Macheda <-- I'm fine with this, but if we got another meh, I wouldn't be disapointed. Not fussed.

3. I havn't seen Vidic leaving rumours for a long time tbh, but hopefully he stays, Rio, Vidic, Evans, Smalling, Brown...and O Shea plays quite well there. Were pretty well covered

4. VDS has been fine, that Akinfeev looks good maybe he's an option for when VDS hangs his boots, and tbh Kuscackcakakac has done fine when he filled in, so I say keep them for another season.
1. I didn't mean just backup to Rooney in a 451. I meant Rooney + the quality striker we should get in the summer in a 442 and Macheda/Owen being good enough backup, if that clears it up.

2. I think we atleast need a striker and an attacking mid... and I'd also like a GK. We need that top striker.

3. I disagree, I think if Vidic leaves we do need another CB... Brown/O'Shea are only good enough for backup and honestly Smalling's a puzzle. He's been poo every time I've seen him for Fulham but surely if Wenger & Fergie both went after him than he has some promise. But even if he does, don't think he'll be good enough to be first choice for atleast another year or two. Shawcross please if Vidic leaves.


I'm quoting Manutdfan lol although I saw a few other quotes from others who I was tempted to have instead lol.

I think Fergie said in an interview he has an eye on one or two, what would we think about Joe Cole on a free?
Not sure really. We need a CAM, but I think Joe Cole is better suited on the wings. I honestly don't think we have a lot of money to spend, contrary to what some people think... so if we do get Joe Cole, I'd understand and it wouldn't be a bad signing. I'd rather get others though.

[yourmumsface17]

LOL! Was i one of them???!?!!!

Hmmm, no, not for me. I can see him ending up at citeh or spurs though.

However, on a free with 2 marquee signings, then yeah! Like i said, im sure our transfer business is already underway or done and dusted

I can't remember :lol:


1. I didn't mean just backup to Rooney in a 451. I meant Rooney + the quality striker we should get in the summer in a 442 and Macheda/Owen being good enough backup, if that clears it up.

2. I think we atleast need a striker and an attacking mid... and I'd also like a GK. We need that top striker.

3. I disagree, I think if Vidic leaves we do need another CB... Brown/O'Shea are only good enough for backup and honestly Smalling's a puzzle. He's been poo every time I've seen him for Fulham but surely if Wenger & Fergie both went after him than he has some promise. But even if he does, don't think he'll be good enough to be first choice for atleast another year or two. Shawcross please if Vidic leaves.

I'd be annoyed if we got Shawcross purely because he was are player before :lol:


Not sure really. We need a CAM, but I think Joe Cole is better suited on the wings. I honestly don't think we have a lot of money to spend, contrary to what some people think... so if we do get Joe Cole, I'd understand and it wouldn't be a bad signing. I'd rather get others though.

Joe Cole would be ok imo, I wouldn't mind. I think we have some money, and yeh a creative midfielder who can score is the sort of player we need so hopefully we can get a top class one of them. Then I think we will be taking back our premiership title :D

[three3-times]

Shawcross! Lol, we shouldve loaned him for 2 seasons! Or at least put a buy back clause in this contract. Gary cahill would do for me, however, Vida aint going nowhere.

What struck me about the 2 games on sunday was while Chelsea were kicking the **** outta Wigan (10 man) we only put 4, plus a an own goal past stoke. Its our lack of goals from anyone else other than rooney that cost us dearly. However, Mr Berbaflop, couldve had 2. When fergie took him off after 61mins that was his last apperance for us.

[manutdfan]

Rumours on the Man U forums are that were going for Rodwell and Pienaar.

Most people seem to think on there were getting Gourcuff, never seen him play. But heard great things about him. Guess I'll see him in the World Cup.

[Tutankhamun]

SAF pretty much confirmed in that BBC article I posted that 2 signings are happening, and I do think one of them is Modric. If SAF feels he's the right man to take over from Scholes he won't be denied.

[Metal Warrior]

Shawcross! Lol, we shouldve loaned him for 2 seasons! Or at least put a buy back clause in this contract. Gary cahill would do for me, however, Vida aint going nowhere.

What struck me about the 2 games on sunday was while Chelsea were kicking the **** outta Wigan (10 man) we only put 4, plus a an own goal past stoke. Its our lack of goals from anyone else other than rooney that cost us dearly. However, Mr Berbaflop, couldve had 2. When fergie took him off after 61mins that was his last apperance for us.

Now your standards are just distorted by Chelsea's huge wins. 4-0 against Stoke is a fine score! There isn't a lack of goals, as we scored 86 league goals, our best in almost a decade. There's a lack of creative spark in really tight games, which could be solved by adding more attacking quality in midfield. But goal scoring wise, this has been a very good season for us.

[Tutankhamun]

I think were good most games but I still feel were not as good against other top teams, sometimes it feels like Chelsea and last year Liverpool read our game very well. Would be nice to beat top teams more consistently.

[manutdfan]

The sale of Berbatov and Carrick should bring it around 30 million. I'd like us to buy Modric, make him our number one target. Also Milner or Rodwell.

Then if Ferguson thinks we need another striker then fine. No sure who though, I wouldn't mind if we bought Benzema.

[manutdfan]

Wonder if Anderson will stay he's injured at the moment. But him and Ferguson have had a few falling outs this year.

I like Anderson great player on his day.

[yourmumsface17]

Now your standards are just distorted by Chelsea's huge wins. 4-0 against Stoke is a fine score! There isn't a lack of goals, as we scored 86 league goals, our best in almost a decade. There's a lack of creative spark in really tight games, which could be solved by adding more attacking quality in midfield. But goal scoring wise, this has been a very good season for us.

Your wrong, 4 goals isnt enough :snicker

[dc89]

Now your standards are just distorted by Chelsea's huge wins. 4-0 against Stoke is a fine score! There isn't a lack of goals, as we scored 86 league goals, our best in almost a decade. There's a lack of creative spark in really tight games, which could be solved by adding more attacking quality in midfield. But goal scoring wise, this has been a very good season for us.

Your creative spark went to Real Madrid.

[Tutankhamun]

Your creative spark went to Real Madrid.

Oh I do miss Ronaldo :( Was epic when the fans sang Viva Ronaldo yesterday! Can't wait for the day Ronaldo returns.

[yourmumsface17]

Oh I do miss Ronaldo :( Was epic when the fans sang Viva Ronaldo yesterday! Can't wait for the day Ronaldo returns.

(In before Dc)

...to City...


:lol: Yeh right

[Tutankhamun]

(In before Dc)

...to City...


:lol: Yeh right

LOL yeah that was bound to happen :D Was going to rep you for that but I did that yesterday so need to sleep around, oh wait I did that yesterday to.

In all seriousness I do think Ronaldo will come back and he would never play for any english team besides United, he loves United it was just that he loves Madrid more because of his mother.

[mankind]

Do we not have a re buy on barcelona's Gerard Piqué? if vidic leaves for spain maybe we get Piqué.

[Demiant]

Shawcross! Lol, we shouldve loaned him for 2 seasons! Or at least put a buy back clause in this contract. Gary cahill would do for me, however, Vida aint going nowhere.

What struck me about the 2 games on sunday was while Chelsea were kicking the **** outta Wigan (10 man) we only put 4, plus a an own goal past stoke. Its our lack of goals from anyone else other than rooney that cost us dearly. However, Mr Berbaflop, couldve had 2. When fergie took him off after 61mins that was his last apperance for us.
Don't we have one? I'm pretty sure I read somewhere we can buy him back for 2m?


Rumours on the Man U forums are that were going for Rodwell and Pienaar.

Most people seem to think on there were getting Gourcuff, never seen him play. But heard great things about him. Guess I'll see him in the World Cup.
Wouldn't mind Rodwell... he's looked good every time I've seen him. Pienaar's a good player too but I'm not sure we need him, our wings are set for now.


SAF pretty much confirmed in that BBC article I posted that 2 signings are happening, and I do think one of them is Modric. If SAF feels he's the right man to take over from Scholes he won't be denied.
I don't know, I just don't see it happening. Modric would cost too much with Spurs in the CL. I'd rather we get Gourcuff who'd be cheaper and (in my opinion) better.

[dc89]

I agree that Ronaldo will go back to United at some point. I think Mourinho going to Madrid would postpone such a move though.

[santinomarella]

We have a buy-back clause with Rossi .... What's he been like in Spain?

[TommyFewty]

Rossi is really average. Had a good Confederations with Italy but that is the only highlight. Nilmar >>> him by far at Villareal. Not worth more than 10m right now and wouldnt offer much to your team, not the striker you need.

[Metal Warrior]

Your creative spark went to Real Madrid.

You're right of course. Well, he was more someone who could force it through sheer pace and power rather than creative spark, but the end result is the same. We also lost some firepower to your team, I'd have to admit. He wasn't a high scoring player for us, but he could come up with some vital goals.

We just need someone who can conjure up goals out of nothing in tight matches. The only players in the current squad who can really do that are Rooney and probably Nani if he continues his development. We need to add another name to that list. Preferably in midfield. He might a rival player but what I'd give for a Lampard at United...

[dc89]

You're right of course. Well, he was more someone who could force it through sheer pace and power rather than creative spark, but the end result is the same. We also lost some firepower to your team, I'd have to admit. He wasn't a high scoring player for us, but he could come up with some vital goals.

We just need someone who can conjure up goals out of nothing in tight matches. The only players in the current squad who can really do that are Rooney and probably Nani if he continues his development. We need to add another name to that list. Preferably in midfield. He might a rival player but what I'd give for a Lampard at United...

Ireland was good at that at City before hughes started playing him out of position. Still reckon you will go for him at a cool £15m.

[jj03]

Lampard at united? :lol::lol: you are ****ing joking. if that **** jockey came to united, by some miracle, i'd rip my season ticket in half..seriously. He's a chelsea ****, he can stay a chelsea ****.

[Metal Warrior]

Ireland was good at that at City before hughes started playing him out of position. Still reckon you will go for him at a cool £15m.

Don't know. I've seen good things for him but I doubt if he'd add something meaningful right away. He's not at that level yet, though he might get there in the future. I'd rather we got someone who we know can deliver instantly, while still being relatively young. I just can't look past Gourcuff.

[Tutankhamun]

I don't know, I just don't see it happening. Modric would cost too much with Spurs in the CL. I'd rather we get Gourcuff who'd be cheaper and (in my opinion) better.

I haven't seen Gourcuff play, but I'm taking your word for it. I'm just saying that I read that SAF sees Modric as Scholes replacement and I can't imagine him letting anything stand in his way if that's the case.


I agree that Ronaldo will go back to United at some point. I think Mourinho going to Madrid would postpone such a move though.

He has said that he wants to win everything with Madrid before he moves so we might have to wait a bit. I hope he reconsiders that and is back in like 5-years.


Ireland was good at that at City before hughes started playing him out of position. Still reckon you will go for him at a cool £15m.

I'd take Ireland for £15m, no doubt.


Lampard at united? :lol::lol: you are ****ing joking. if that **** jockey came to united, by some miracle, i'd rip my season ticket in half..seriously. He's a chelsea ****, he can stay a chelsea ****.

He said a Lampard so to be fair I think he meant someone of his ability. BTW, why have I thought for a long time that your a City fan?

[Demiant]

Lampard at united? :lol::lol: you are ****ing joking. if that **** jockey came to united, by some miracle, i'd rip my season ticket in half..seriously. He's a chelsea ****, he can stay a chelsea ****.


What we REALLY lack is that Lampard-esque midfielder. The creative kind that will consistently get you 20 goals a season. I'd be happy with a mid that's consistently get us 15.



We just need someone who can conjure up goals out of nothing in tight matches. The only players in the current squad who can really do that are Rooney and probably Nani if he continues his development. We need to add another name to that list. Preferably in midfield. He might a rival player but what I'd give for a Lampard at United...

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United ponder next move after losing Premier League crown
Sir Alex Ferguson will take a moment to reflect but efforts to improve the team for next season have already begun


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Despite Sir Alex Ferguson's claims, it is no certainty that Dimitar Berbatov will be back at Manchester United next season. Photograph: Laurence Griffiths/Getty Images

For some of the players, it was the first day they had been at Old Trafford when Manchester United could go by the prefix "former champions". The mood was one of subdued reflection. Nobody had their head in their hands, or red-ringed eyes; it was just much quieter than usual. Sir Alex Ferguson's final address was supportive but sometimes there is not much even the great managers can say. He did not speak for long.

"I have been here four years now and this is my first full season that I haven't won the league," Patrice Evra reflected. "I can say congratulations to my team-mates because it has not been easy for us this year. But if I don't finish first with Manchester United I always feel like I haven't done my job very well. When you play for this club you always need to win. It's a very sad day."

When a team are deposed as champions there is always a period of brooding, quite often followed by a snap judgment that changes are mandatory to prevent a disappointing season turning into a full-blown stagnation. Ferguson, however, puts forward an alternative argument that United actually did pretty well to take Chelsea to the final day given that there was a point in the season when Evra was their only fit defender and Darren Fletcher and Michael Carrick were playing in the centre of defence.

"I have to separate fact from fiction, like the suggestion we have not seen the vintage football associated with Manchester United," United's manager said. "It's not complacency, just common sense, to conclude that we have had a good season."

Yet Ferguson would also make the rare acknowledgment that this was a time of self-analysis for him as well. "My job as manager is to assess in the cold light of day and get things into perspective. Naturally I look into my own management and the rest of the staff. Did I always make the right team selections with the appropriate tactics? Do we have a strong enough squad?"

The inclination is to wonder whether, deep down, a small part of Ferguson regrets not doing more to keep Carlos Tevez, the scorer of 29 goals for Manchester City and a striker with that unusual quality of being able to make things happen. Ferguson, though, will not accept it was a mistake. On the contrary, there are stories at Old Trafford of him deriding Tevez to colleagues, making the analogy of receiving a gift-wrapped Christmas present only to take off all the nice paper and discover there is nothing inside the box.

His tone changes when the subject turns to a player who left Old Trafford last summer on much better terms. "I always knew we would miss Cristiano Ronaldo," Ferguson said. But not so much that he thinks the £80m transfer to Real Madrid effectively cost United the league. "We've scored more goals than last season and have the best defensive record in the league. I think that's the best way to answer."

But uppermost in Ferguson's thoughts must be the issue of Dimitar Berbatov, after two seasons in which the Bulgarian has occasionally flickered but never truly ignited in the way that might have been anticipated of a player who cost £30.75m. At the weekend Ferguson insisted his most expensive signing would not be replaced – "he is a very talented player and has a future at Manchester United," he said – but not too much should be read into that. United's manager said very similar things about David Beckham, Juan Sebastián Verón and Ronaldo himself.

Berbatov's body language when he was substituted during the 4-0 defeat of Stoke City on Sunday told it own story: tired, exasperated, maybe a little embarrassed, head down on a slow walk to the touchline, no wave to the crowd. It has been unfair for him to be made the scapegoat but, when the story of United's season is told, the inquest will focus on that period when Wayne Rooney was injured and the responsibility was on Berbatov to live up to his transfer fee. In short, he blew it.

Ferguson preferred to focus on the positives. "Darren Fletcher has emerged from the shadows to become recognised as a really top footballer. Nani has come of age, Darron Gibson has had a good season and Jonny Evans has been fantastic for a 22-year-old, while Antonio Valencia has done incredibly well in his first season."

The club have also signed Chris Smalling from Fulham for £10m and, for almost the same again, Javier Hernández, the Mexico striker, from Chivas de Guadalajara.

The Glazers, and Ferguson, maintain there is more money available, which is just as well because United have regressed, five points worse off then last season, with seven defeats along the way, the most since the 2003-04 campaign. "We lost too many games," Evra said. "Losing seven times was too much and that was the key. Congratulations to Chelsea – if you win the league it is because you deserve to. But I feel like Manchester United gave them that league."

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2010/may/11/manchester-united-premier-league-title)

Worth the read, insightful and not negative.

[Tutankhamun]

So I'm double posting, sue me! This is worth it, great interview with Sir Ryan Giggs.


Giggs: 'We can't rely only on Rooney'


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Ryan Giggs admits Manchester United's title challenge ultimately failed this season because of their over-reliance on Wayne Rooney.

Giggs is the most decorated player in United's history, with 11 Premier League titles to his name over two decades of peerless service. So when he talks, people listen.

He admitted United's players did not want to come out for the second half against Stoke on Sunday, having learned Chelsea were 2-0 up against 10-man Wigan and cruising to the title.

But less than 24 hours after Chelsea had hoisted the Premier League trophy aloft, Giggs provided a frank assessment of where it had all gone wrong for Sir Alex Ferguson's men.

"If you had to say one thing, you'd probably say we can't rely on Wayne next season like we did this one," said Giggs.

"We need to be scoring more goals from different areas and from different players, even though as a team we scored more than we did last season.

"We were also better defensively this season than last, but we can't rely on Wayne as much as we have done this season in terms of goals.

"On Sunday against Stoke we started full of hope, then came in at half-time and found out Chelsea were 2-0 up and Wigan were down to 10 men.

"We knew then it was over and, to be honest, we didn't want to go out for the second half. You just want to go home in that situation."

Rooney's 34-goal heroics only carried United so far, injury in the Champions League quarter-final first leg with Bayern Munich proving the beginning of the end for Fergie's men.

After that, Rooney did not find the back of the net again this season and United lost their way, Giggs admitting it was a fatal blow from which Fergie's men never recovered.

"It was unfortunate for us that Wayne got injured at a really important part of the season, because we'd relied on his goals more or less throughout it," said Giggs.

"So to get to the business part of the season and not have him, then to have him for one game without him having really trained, wasn't ideal.

"But whether the manager does or doesn't bring in any other strikers this summer, the other players know we need to score more.

"Whether that's defenders coming up for corners or midfielders chipping in, we all need to contribute a lot more."

United lost to Burnley, Aston Villa, Liverpool, Everton and Fulham in the Premier League this season, but Giggs identified the two defeats to Chelsea as to where the title was decided.

"You'd have to say it came down to the two Chelsea games," said Giggs. "If we'd even just drawn one of those games we'd have won the title.

"When you lose two two games against your biggest rivals, it's always going to be tough.

"It's not always the case that those head-to-head games decide the title, but this season they probably did.

"And when you look at the fact Chelsea beat us, Arsenal and Liverpool, home and away, then you have to say they deserved it.

"We're disappointed with some of the points we dropped, because we feel we could quite easily have won the it this year.

"But it's a tremendous achievement to come within one point of winning the title four years on the trot.

"No team has ever done that, so the players deserve huge credit for putting in such a massive effort over the past few seasons. But it just wasn't meant to be."

Giggs, 36, who has one year left on his contract before his illustrious career is likely to come to an end, said the pain of losing the title could ultimately benefit United long-term.

He recalled, as a raw 17-year-old, the pain of losing out on the title to Leeds in the 1991-92 season, an experience he claimed was the making of him as a player.

"These young players, who have known nothing else other than winning titles over the last three years, will now be tasting what I had to taste in my first full season," said Giggs.

"We came so close but lost out on the title to Leeds and that disappointment, that feeling of failure, never leaves you over the summer.

"You have to make sure you come back stronger and hungrier the following season, which is the sign of a great team and great players.

"Losing the title to Leeds that season definitely helped me, because I knew I didn't want that feeling again the next year.

"Winning is an unbelievable feeling, but it doesn't last that long. The feeling of losing lasts that much longer - and it hurts.

"You probably handle disappointment better as you get older, but it still hurts. You try and get away from it when you're away on holiday with your family.

"But you always find yourself lying on a beach, going through a game where you think you could have done better or where the team could have done more.

"But you have to try and forget about it and enjoy your holiday, because it's no good torturing yourself.

"Knowing the character of our players and how disappointed they were with the title not being in our hands, they'll come back stronger.

"On Sunday the manager just told us all to enjoy the summer, whether you're on holiday or involved in the World Cup, and come back stronger next season.

"We'll be ready next season. The manager told us to remember the feeling of losing the title - and to make sure we don't have it again this time next year."

Source (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Ryan-Giggs-Exclusive-Manchester-United-star-admits-title-challenge-failed-because-of-over-reliance-on-Wayne-Rooney-article421869.html)

[dc89]

on behalf of all PL team supporters:

COME ON BLACKPOOL!

[Suley]

on behalf of all PL team supporters:

COME ON BLACKPOOL!
The aggregate score right now is 6-3 to Blackpool and there's like 10 mins left..

[dc89]

I really want Blackpool in the Premier League for two reasons.

1. Would be such a laugh going to a away game to there two sided stadium.

2. It would really destroy my GF's dad who is a PNE fan.

[bigdec]

I really want Blackpool in the Premier League for two reasons.

1. Would be such a laugh going to a away game to there two sided stadium.

2. It would really destroy my GF's dad who is a PNE fan.
Agree with point 1, plus its another derby.

[R3D D3V!L]

I'm glad Blackpool are in the final, I want them to win it.

[Cyn]

You need a creative midfielder and we need a defender. Let's swap Diaby for Vidic?

Btw I have it on good authority that Milner is in the process of signing for you

[three3-times]

Milner? Hell no, please no, never seen such an average player.

I know some disagree.

[yourmumsface17]

Did I just see this...Benzema left out of French squad...can't help but laugh. He is def overrated.

[Tutankhamun]

Did I just see this...Benzema left out of French squad...can't help but laugh. He is def overrated.

He was left out because he hasn't started enough games for Real Madrid...

[yourmumsface17]

^^^ He hasn't started because he hasn't been good enough

[Tutankhamun]

^^^ He hasn't started because he hasn't been good enough

I don't know about that, 8 goals in 14 starts, in a team where most of the offense come from the wings. He would do fine in England, no doubt.

BTW, "He hasn't started because he hasn't been good enough" can that be applied to Berbatov to? He basically only started when Rooney was injured.

[manutdfan]

If Ferguson goes for Benzema it will be easier for negoations becasue he won't be at the World Cup. Can get the deal wrapped up quicker. Plus his value might go down a bit, not getting picked for the World Cup.

Seems a bit harsh to me not picking him. Especially when Cisse is in their. They left out Nasri aswell who's been a regular at Arsenal this season and has played well.

[yourmumsface17]

I don't know about that, 8 goals in 14 starts, in a team where most of the offense come from the wings. He would do fine in England, no doubt.

BTW, "He hasn't started because he hasn't been good enough" can that be applied to Berbatov to? He basically only started when Rooney was injured.

Wow I didn't bring Berba up this time people.

I'm gonna go out of a limb and assume he started alot more than 14 games, and United have played alot of games with one striker so it's a bit different.

Madrid have basically been playing Ronaldo and Higuain as strikers from what i've seen (correct me if i'm wrong please) so maybe it's unfair to say that about Benzema as both Ronaldo and Higuain are better (I'd love it if we got Higuain).

I just don't get the hype around Benzema, there must be a reason why he hasn't broke into the team!

Although I do agree with Manutdfan, it does now become easier to get him if he is the player Fergie desires. Meh if we go for him, i'll back the decision, I personally wouldn't go for him if the fee is above £20,000,000

EDIT: Good article about Chicharito

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2010/04/13/1876485/goalcom-qa-manchester-uniteds-new-signing-javier-hernandez-could-




Goal.com UK: What kind of striker is Javier Hernandez?

Tom Marshall: "He's quick, good with both feet and knows where the back of the net is. Chicharito isn't a Lionel Messi, Wayne Rooney or Cristiano Ronaldo type player who has the ability to single-handedly win you games, but if the team provides him with chances, he usually takes them."

Goal.com UK: Does he resemble any Manchester United stars from the past in his style?

"His style reminds me a lot of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer. He's a natural finisher who works hard for the team, is extremely popular, has a baby face and has the knack of scoring on big occasions - he scored on his debut for Chivas in 2006 and this year in his national team debut.

"He's also netted a couple of last minute winners for Chivas this season."

What kind of impact can you see him having in England? Is he a work in progress or ready right away?

"He'll be the fourth choice striker used in rotation like in 1999, in my opinion. Again, the Solskjaer analogy fits. He'll play in the Carling Cup, games against weaker Premier League teams and as a substitute to come on and snatch goals in bigger games, at least during the first year.

"Chicharito will be 22 when he makes his United debut and so while adapting to the English game will take time, it's not like he's a 17 or 18-year-old kid that needs baby-feeding. He's an international striker with a country behind him that fully expect him to get the national team goals in South Africa.

"He's swiftly becoming the 'Mexican Rooney' in terms of the media here pinning their hopes for the World Cup on one man."

Carlos Vela and Giovani dos Santos have struggled in the Premier League, would Hernandez be a different case?

"I think he'll succeed and that Chicharito has signed for the right club. According to the local Guadalajara press, his family are going to be moving to Manchester too.

"That will include his parents, girlfriend and even, possibly, his grandparents. Like many Mexicans, Chicharito is extremely family-orientated and having them around should make things easier for him.

"Playing wise, Chicharito at 5ft 9in is deceptively strong and is very good with his head. Although many Mexican players go to ground with the faintest of contact, Chicharito generally tries to stay on his feet and obviously fans in England warm to that.

"The difference in the style of play between Mexico and England is huge and could be problematic for Chicharito. The pace of the game in Mexico is very slow and, apart from in the big derby games, it lacks urgency. Chicharito will need to adapt to the intensity of England."


Mexican Rooney | National hopes pinned on Chicharito
What kind of character does Hernandez possess? Do you see him fitting in and adapting to English life?

"Hernandez is very laid back, approachable and dedicated. He's said in recent days that it was his dream since being very young to go to Europe to play.

"He's a very humble person with a real enthusiasm for the game. He doesn't have a blot on his record in terms of getting caught out late drunk at clubs or anything like that. He's a dedicated professional.

"He still lives with his parents in Guadalajara and is doing a business administration degree at a private university in the city.

"He is, however, what Mexicans call "gente nice," which refers to the fact he comes from a family with money, grew up in a nice part of town and speaks English. His father and grandfather were both parts of Mexico squads that went to the World Cup.

"I think that is important because he has always been surrounded by the media and may because of that be better able to cope with being a United player."

Hernandez has scored goals galore this season, do United have a new Hugo Sanchez on their hands?

"If he continues in the same vein of form there's no reason why not, although whether he can first get himself into Ferguson's first choice eleven will be a huge factor.

"Personality wise the two are very different. Sanchez did his famous somersault after scoring goals and is known for maintaining spats in the media, whereas Hernandez is quietly spoken and less of a showman."

What has the reaction been like in Guadalajara to the news?

"My phone didn't stop last Thursday. Everyone who knows me here knows I love football and that I'm from near Manchester so it was very exciting.

"Sports shows on television spent all weekend talking about Chicharito and Manchester United, who he will play alongside and whether Dimitar Berbatov might be pushed out.

"The media here really believe that in Chicharito they have a genuine world star in the making and that he's now been given a platform to prove it via signing for United. But, as a note of caution, the Mexican press is similar to the British press in its tendency to hype things."

How excited are the people about the upcoming friendly between Chivas and United?

"It's been described as the biggest event for Guadalajara for many years by one local newspaper. It'll be crazy, I'm already trying to find out how to get tickets.

"They could probably fill a stadium of 300,000 pretty easily. The new Chivas stadium has just over 45,000 so how to get tickets is the big question.

"English football is on cable here in Mexico and so the players are extremely well known. La Liga is on Sky, more expensive and with much less viewers, so Mexicans are generally more knowledgeable about the English game than any other European league."

What do you think are the ramifications for both clubs financially?

"Financially, the deal is too good to be true for both parties. Chivas owner Jorge Vergara is an extremely wealthy man and clearly knows what he is doing when it comes to running a business. United obviously also have a mountain of debt and by all accounts are trying to enter new markets.

"United's website now has a Spanish language section and by this one signing there's no telling how many Mexicans were converted overnight to be United fans. The Latino market in the United States means United commercially will gain from the deal."

[Tutankhamun]

Wow I didn't bring Berba up this time people.

I'm gonna go out of a limb and assume he started alot more than 14 games, and United have played alot of games with one striker so it's a bit different.

Madrid have basically been playing Ronaldo and Higuain as strikers from what i've seen (correct me if i'm wrong please) so maybe it's unfair to say that about Benzema as both Ronaldo and Higuain are better (I'd love it if we got Higuain).

I just don't get the hype around Benzema, there must be a reason why he hasn't broke into the team!

Although I do agree with Manutdfan, it does now become easier to get him if he is the player Fergie desires. Meh if we go for him, i'll back the decision, I personally wouldn't go for him if the fee is above £20,000,000


EDIT: Good article about Chicharito

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2010/04/13/1876485/goalcom-qa-manchester-uniteds-new-signing-javier-hernandez-could-

I was just trying to point out that looking at how many games a player has started isn't always a good way to determine how good he is.

As for the hype around Benzema, it's simple; He's 22, pure scorer already. Was great for Lyon, most people saw him as one of the biggest talents in the game, went to Real Madrid get his career stalled/destroyed as everyone else, if someone picks him up he might turn out to be the player most people think he has the potential to be.

Great article btw, now I'm hyped about Hernandez. Honestly, I don't know if we need another striker or not, it could be enough with Rooney, Macheda, Owen, Hernandez and to some extent Diouf. It's risky but it could work. At this point we might keep Berbatov to January and see if he can turn it around, but I haven't seen anything that points to that he can.

[yourmumsface17]

I was just trying to point out that looking at how many games a player has started isn't always a good way to determine how good he is.

As for the hype around Benzema, it's simple; He's 22, pure scorer already. Was great for Lyon, most people saw him as one of the biggest talents in the game, went to Real Madrid get his career stalled/destroyed as everyone else, if someone picks him up he might turn out to be the player most people think he has the potential to be.

Great article btw, now I'm hyped about Hernandez. Honestly, I don't know if we need another striker or not, it could be enough with Rooney, Macheda, Owen, Hernandez and to some extent Diouf. It's risky but it could work. At this point we might keep Berbatov to January and see if he can turn it around, but I haven't seen anything that points to that he can.

The only way i'd be ok with Berba going is if we find a player who can play that final ball, if we don't get one then we should hold onto him (although i'd keep him regardless)

Benzema could become an absolute star, I can't predict that, but i'm just not sure if we will bother with him or not.

It depends what system we wanna play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2 if we play 4-3-3 regularly we need plenty of midfielders (like we do, just add one more creative man and were good) if were gonna do 4-4-2 we need 4-5 strikers, if we play 4-3-3 we don't need an awful lot of strikers.

I assume we ill play a mixture of both like last season so I dunno.

I really hope the youngsters play a more prominent role next season so we don't have to open the cheque book as such.

Looking forward to next season, really don't care about the world cup (I say that now but a week before it starts i'll prob get all excited).

[Demiant]

Did I just see this...Benzema left out of French squad...can't help but laugh. He is def overrated.
He's not, Domenech is just a moron.


^^^ He hasn't started because he hasn't been good enough
Or because Higuain has outshown him and most of the time Real only play 1 up front.


If Ferguson goes for Benzema it will be easier for negoations becasue he won't be at the World Cup. Can get the deal wrapped up quicker. Plus his value might go down a bit, not getting picked for the World Cup.

Seems a bit harsh to me not picking him. Especially when Cisse is in their. They left out Nasri aswell who's been a regular at Arsenal this season and has played well.
Exactly, Benz would be cheaper. And as for the second point, like I said... Domenech is an idiot. He puts in Planus instead of Ciani, Cissokho instead of Clichy, and Briand/Cisse instead of Benzema. Also, I think Moussa Sissoko should of gotten in ahead of M'Vila or Diaby and Nasri also should have gotten in. Either way, Benz should have gotten in the 30-Man squad.

[Metal Warrior]

Benzema is obviously very talented, but his transfer has really halted his development. He shouldn't have moved to Madrid at this point of his career, especially not when there's another young striker around who'd built up some credit by being Madrid's best attacking player the previous year. That's probably what cost him the World Cup, even if it's a harsh and probably stupid decision by Domenech.

I'd take him at United with my eyes closed. He could form a deadly partnership with Rooney and be a good alternative as a lone striker. It'd also be good for his own development as he'd play a lot more matches here.

[manutdfan]

I don't know if even the World Cup will be able to cheer me up now that David Cameron is prime minister!!

[yourmumsface17]

Rare I see myself saying this but again I agree with you Manutdfan :( stupid Cameron :(

[manutdfan]

Rare I see myself saying this but again I agree with you Manutdfan :( stupid Cameron :(

Lol

Not true there was a time when we agreed on most things.

[Tutankhamun]

Have you guys heard the rumors that Real Madrid is after Evra? No way they getting him imho.

[three3-times]

Bullcrap, i heard they are after Clichy. They NEED a left back, so it wouldnt surpirse if they tried it, but you can tell with Pat and some of the stuff he says, hes Man Utd through and through. I love Pat!!!

[Tutankhamun]

Bullcrap, i heard they are after Clichy. They NEED a left back, so it wouldnt surpirse if they tried it, but you can tell with Pat and some of the stuff he says, hes Man Utd through and through. I love Pat!!!

You never know tbh, but I doubt he would move. As you say he seems to like it at United so why should he leave.

In other news, The Sun are saying we might do sort of a swap deal with Madrid for Benzema, they get Vidic and we get £10m off Benzema. I wouldn't do, but those are the rumors:


MANCHESTER UNITED still have not given up hope of landing Karim Benzema

Boss Alex Ferguson lost out in his first attempt to sign the 22-year-old last summer, when he was outbid by Real Madrid.

The France striker made a £31million switch from Lyon. But he has been a flop for the Spanish giants, who are now ready to sell for around £25m.

Benzema has started only 14 La Liga games this season and scored just eight league goals.

United's owners, the Glazers, are desperate to make a big-name signing to silence some of the opposition to their reign.

Nemanja Vidic could be used as a £10m makeweight in a Benzema deal.

Source (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/2967492/Alex-Ferguson-still-in-the-hunt-for-Karim-Benzema.html)

[yourmumsface17]

Pfffft who do Madrid think they are!!!

Vidic > Benzema

They get 10 million off Vidic with Benzema I say!!!

15 million plus Benzema gets you Vidic you Spanish ****s

[Tutankhamun]

Pfffft who do Madrid think they are!!!

Vidic > Benzema

They get 10 million off Vidic with Benzema I say!!!

15 million plus Benzema gets you Vidic you Spanish ****s

I agree, 10 million is way to little, if were going after Benz I rather pay upfront and keep Vidic.

[Metal Warrior]

No doubt Real Madrid would love to have Evra in their squad. He's loads better than anything they have on offer there, which isn't surprising as he and Ashley Cole are easily the best left backs in the world.

But Evra bleeds red. He wouldn't even consider leaving us.

[yourmumsface17]

Yeh def Tut, rather pay 25 mil and keep vidic thanks

[santinomarella]

Just look at the source of the Evra rumours, The Sun :lol:

Just ignore anything they say when it comes to football rumours.

[yourmumsface17]

Hehe Sir Alex just gave a nice message for Fulham...

Good luck Fulham, England are backing you!

[R3D D3V!L]

Forlan won Atletico the Europa League. Fergie sign him up, Fergie Fergie sign him up? :lol:

[yourmumsface17]

Berbatov quits international football with Bulgaria

[manutdfan]

Lets hope he now quits Old Trafford aswell. :D

[yourmumsface17]

Was waiting for a comment like that :lol:

[StaticAge]

Berbatov quits international football with Bulgaria

That's a shame for Bulgarian people.

Oh well, congrats on being Bulgaria's all-time top scorer Berba :mrgreen:

[Tutankhamun]

Kind of off-topic- kind of not; I bought football manager for iPhone last night. My scouts thought I should buy Modric and so did I so I put a bid in for him £7 million, which he was worth according to the game. Spurs said they wouldn't sell him to another PL team. So I figured money solves everything and I put in higher and higher bid but they refused to sell. So I got pissed and offered £20 million and Modric is now a United player!

[yourmumsface17]

Kind of off-topic- kind of not; I bought football manager for iPhone last night. My scouts thought I should buy Modric and so did I so I put a bid in for him £7 million, which he was worth according to the game. Spurs said they wouldn't sell him to another PL team. So I figured money solves everything and I put in higher and higher bid but they refused to sell. So I got pissed and offered £20 million and Modric is now a United player!
hehe what is FM like on phones?

[santinomarella]

Awesome, Berbatov now has more time to concentrate on his United career. :D

[Tutankhamun]

hehe what is FM like on phones?

Pretty darn good on the iPhone anyway. Not the full experience you get on the computer but it's really good on the iPhone. Some things in the UI is kind of not very iPhone like and could be tweaked but it's a good buy, if any thing it has a rather heavy price tag.

[yourmumsface17]

Is it possible to get it on blackberry do you know?

[Tutankhamun]

Is it possible to get it on blackberry do you know?

Not the iPhone version anyway. Did some googeling and it seems there's a game called Real football manager 2010 made by Gameloft that runs on BB's, but the one I have is made by Sega. Not an expert on BB's, I'm an all out Apple geek so don't trust me 100% here :) But it seems Sega don't have a blackberry version.

EDIT: Checked wikipedia "FMH was first released on 13 April 2006. This was Sports Interactive's first ever game for a handheld console. Due to the hardware constraints of the PSP and iPhone OS platforms this game is a cut-down version of the standard FM 2010 with a choice of 10 playable leagues/countries and a total of 30 playable divisions." So apparently only iPhone OS platforms (iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad (blown up I'm assuming) and PSP's. Sorry mate :( But the Gameloft game had got some good reviews, so check that out.

[yourmumsface17]

Not the iPhone version anyway. Did some googeling and it seems there's a game called Real football manager 2010 made by Gameloft that runs on BB's, but the one I have is made by Sega. Not an expert on BB's, I'm an all out Apple geek so don't trust me 100% here :) But it seems Sega don't have a blackberry version.

EDIT: Checked wikipedia "FMH was first released on 13 April 2006. This was Sports Interactive's first ever game for a handheld console. Due to the hardware constraints of the PSP and iPhone OS platforms this game is a cut-down version of the standard FM 2010 with a choice of 10 playable leagues/countries and a total of 30 playable divisions." So apparently only iPhone OS platforms (iPhone, iPod Touch and iPad (blown up I'm assuming) and PSP's. Sorry mate :( But the Gameloft game had got some good reviews, so check that out.
awww, thanks for the research though :cool: I'll try and give you rep but for some reason it hasnt let me recently

[Tutankhamun]

awww, thanks for the research though :cool: I'll try and give you rep but for some reason it hasnt let me recently

Sure thing! What BB do you got?

[yourmumsface17]

The Curve one, 8520 I think?

[manutdfan]

Kind of off-topic- kind of not; I bought football manager for iPhone last night. My scouts thought I should buy Modric and so did I so I put a bid in for him £7 million, which he was worth according to the game. Spurs said they wouldn't sell him to another PL team. So I figured money solves everything and I put in higher and higher bid but they refused to sell. So I got pissed and offered £20 million and Modric is now a United player!

LOL!

Yeah good game I've been playing it on my i phone and ipod touch.

Very addictive!

[yourmumsface17]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8680024.stm

Sorry Manutdfan :snicker

[Demiant]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8680024.stm

Sorry Manutdfan :snicker
Yeah because players NEVER leave after saying they're gonna stay at a certain club or after the manager says he won't sell them. Completely unheard of. Written in stone.

[yourmumsface17]

Yeah because players NEVER leave after saying they're gonna stay at a certain club or after the manager says he won't sell them. Completely unheard of. Written in stone.
Alriiiight mate, calm down :snicker

[Tutankhamun]

To be fair, Berbatov isn't the one who decides he's faith. I'm sure most players fight to stay at OT, but it's not up to them. I'm leaning to keep him and assest if we need him in January. Might get more then if he can play decent to that point to.

[crooky369]

Where's the Diego Forlan option on that list?

[Tutankhamun]

Where's the Diego Forlan option on that list?

He's not coming back, I bet everything and the kitchen sink on that. But if you must vote 'other'

[bigdec]

Where's the Diego Forlan option on that list?
Huh? Why would he be on there, hes a past player, there players we have rumors with

[manutdfan]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8680024.stm

Sorry Manutdfan :snicker

What have you done farted?

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex Ferguson feels too much reliance on Wayne Rooney cost the title
• Manchester United manager wants another top striker
• Loss of Cristiano Ronaldo not adequately made up for


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/5/14/1273855305550/Wayne-Rooney-006.jpg

Sir Alex Ferguson has identified the necessity to give Wayne Rooney more support in attacking positions as the key issue he needs to address if Manchester United are to re-establish themselves as England's best team next season.

The over-reliance on Rooney has been the most discussed subject during Ferguson's conversations with his coaching staff since United were deposed as champions last Sunday. The manager is said to be perplexed about how to get more from Dimitar Berbatov and is keen to sign another forward, mindful about the ramifications if Rooney were to be injured.

Although fiercely protective of his players in public, Ferguson has complained in private that the team are more dependent on Rooney than they ever were on Cristiano Ronaldo because there is now a lower quality of replacement. When Ronaldo was missing, United had Rooney, Berbatov and Carlos Tevez, but the strength in depth is now a cause for consternation despite United having seven strikers on their books.

Rooney scored 34 goals last season, winning the Professional Footballers' Association and Football Writers' Association player-of-the-year awards, and Ferguson believes it would be dangerous to rely on him so heavily next season. Berbatov was United's second-highest scorer with 12 goals – the same number of own goals that went in United's favour – and Ferguson has told colleagues it is no exaggeration that, without Rooney, United would have struggled to qualify for the Champions League.

The manager was dismayed by their performances without the England international when the team lost 2-1 at home to Chelsea and then drew 0-0 at Blackburn Rovers in a week that all but destroyed United's hopes of a fourth successive title. Ferguson is looking at ways to get more players into the penalty area and has been monitoring Nicolas Anelka's contract talks in case the Chelsea striker should become available. Michael Owen was restricted to 11 starts in his first season at Old Trafford while Berbatov's form has polarised United's supporters. Javier Hernández is seen as back-up and the same applies for Federico Macheda and Mame Biram Diouf, with Daniel Welbeck expected to join Preston North End next season on loan.

Rooney attributes his more prolific scoring to Ferguson using him in a more central role. "The manager said to me before the season that I needed to score more headers. But I was playing out wide a lot back then. I said: 'Do you want me to get on the end of my own crosses?'

"We'd lost [Carlos] Tevez and Ronaldo; those two had scored a bug chunk of our goals and I knew I had to step up. The manager said he wanted me in the box more and that I had drifted wide a bit too much. I had to try to control my energy, stay in the box, so when the chances came I had the energy to take them."

Rooney also believes he has received better service from the wings. "It's been different. Ronaldo scored all those goals but when you are a centre forward in the box it's hard to play with. When he does put it [the ball] in, you are not running any more. Nani, in the second half of the season, has been brilliant. Plus Antonio has come in and done really well."

Rooney collected the football writers' award during a dinner in London on Thursday and told the audience he was not unduly concerned about the groin injury that he aggravated against Stoke City last Sunday.

Jeff Stelling hosted a question and answer session with Rooney but talked himself into trouble when he asked for the player's thoughts about Paul Scholes turning down the chance to come out of international retirement for the World Cup. Rooney said he was "not surprised" but Ferguson confronted Stelling at the end to complain that it was an unfair question.

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/14/sir-alex-ferguson-wayne-rooney)

I agree with it, maybe getting someone like Anelka or Bent to play for 2 season until the younger guys are ready wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[santinomarella]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01044/SNN1509A_280_1044507a.jpg

:lol:

[powerslave205]

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01044/SNN1509A_280_1044507a.jpg

:lol:

I bet, even if he was like that, he would score more goals than Berbaflop. We had more own goals than goals from a striker, if I was the lazy Bulgarian, I would be ashamed.

[StaticAge]

I bet, even if he was like that, he would score more goals than Berbaflop. We had more own goals than goals from a striker, if I was the lazy Bulgarian, I would be ashamed.

Actually Berbatov scored 12 goals in the Premier League, and we also had 12 own goals, which is the same amount... not more. HTH. Also Berbatov scored more this season than any other team's second striker, but don't let that get in your way.

Moving on from that very fun and not at all tedious debate, are any of you members on Redcafe? This thread is pretty much the only reason I've been sticking around this forum, but even that seems less appealing these days :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

I'm not on Redcafe, should I be?

[Metal Warrior]

I'm on Redcafe but I'm not really interested in the newbie section, so I rarely post there. Which means I can't get promoted. I just follow discussions in the mains without being able to participate. My user is Ainu there.

[dc89]

My brother is a stalker on SadCafe. He isn't a member but just goes there to read the discussions.

Red & White Kop is the best football forums, purely for the lulz. All the liverpool fans go so irate a few months back that the mods actually banned match day threads where you can post about the game as it's in play. They have a locked thread instead now where only mods and staff can comment on the game.

[santinomarella]

I'm a member on Redcafe but stuck in the newbie section.

Some more transfer news for today ..... The Daily Mail says were after Benfica winger Di Maria and Ajax striker Suarez. The Mirror claims were after Ben Arfa from Marseille.

Can't post a link as I saw it on United website and their links never seem to work.

[Tutankhamun]

Are they good? Can't say I've heard of any of them :oops:

[Cyn]

RedCafe is the most bitter, cretinous, self important forum I have ever been on. It showcases everything that is wrong with football supporters these days!

Btw you guys heard City outbid you for Milner? I heard last week that you bid around £18m and now they've apparently bid £24m. Crazy, he's not worth a penny over 15

Ben Arfa is a great player we have been after him for 3 years

[yourmumsface17]

Actually Berbatov scored 12 goals in the Premier League, and we also had 12 own goals, which is the same amount... not more. HTH. Also Berbatov scored more this season than any other team's second striker, but don't let that get in your way.

Moving on from that very fun and not at all tedious debate, are any of you members on Redcafe? This thread is pretty much the only reason I've been sticking around this forum, but even that seems less appealing these days :lol:
It's my fault buddy, I bite everytime someone decides to slate him :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

I'm tired talking about Berbatov tbh, we'll see what SAF does in the summer. Nobody knows anyway.

[Metal Warrior]

RedCafe is the most bitter, cretinous, self important forum I have ever been on. It showcases everything that is wrong with football supporters these days!

I thouroughly disagree. It has a lot of doom & gloom merchants, conspiracy theorists and transfer muppets, but then you have those on every football forum. Redcafe isn't worse in that respect. It has a lot of good discussions, and it doesn't take itself too seriously most of the time. It's also the place to be for brilliant football gifs!

RAWK's another story. Even other Liverpool forums continually ridicule that joke of a forum.

[TommyFewty]

RAWK is an awful site. So many people who think there "in the know" and just spread absolute tripe, obviously like RedCafe theres a few which actually know what there on about but for every 1000 users theres only about 4-5 who are decent. BTW Cyn, Ben Arfas only quality when he wants to be, absolutely horrible attitude and would disrupt your whole squad. As for Di Maria and Suarez, aint seen enough of Di Maria to comment but in the Europa League he looked quality. Suarez is really good though, obviously people will have doubts as it is the Dutch league and Alfonso Alves, Huntelaar, Kuyt etc all tore it up and havent been on the same level here or elsewhere but Luis Suarez just looks the business, skill, pace, technically quality and a good finisher. All thats needed really but not worth spending what Ajax want on a risk.

[bigdec]

I'm not on Redcafe, should I be?
I'm not a member, says you need to have a works e-mail to sign up :\ I check it daily though.

[bigdec]

RedCafe is the most bitter, cretinous, self important forum I have ever been on. It showcases everything that is wrong with football supporters these days!

Btw you guys heard City outbid you for Milner? I heard last week that you bid around £18m and now they've apparently bid £24m. Crazy, he's not worth a penny over 15

Ben Arfa is a great player we have been after him for 3 years
No-one has bid seen as thought the transfer window hasn't opened, its all speculation, hence to say Fergie said we're working narrow because of inflated prices AGAIN, which means we basically have no money to spend.

[Demiant]

Actually Berbatov scored 12 goals in the Premier League, and we also had 12 own goals, which is the same amount... not more. HTH. Also Berbatov scored more this season than any other team's second striker, but don't let that get in your way.

Moving on from that very fun and not at all tedious debate, are any of you members on Redcafe? This thread is pretty much the only reason I've been sticking around this forum, but even that seems less appealing these days :lol:
Any other teams 2nd striker? He's scored less than quite a few 2nd strikers in Europe, and from just Prem teams, Anelka has 15 goals this season to Berbatov's 12... so wrong. Pavlyuchenko has 10 in 21 games, so it's not more than Berbatov but it's a much better ratio. Also... for Villa, Carew has 17 goals and Agbonlahor has 16 so take whichever you want as the 2nd striker and they have more than Berbatov. Adebayor is City's 2nd striker and he has 14 goals, so more. And that's just Prem teams.


I'm not on Redcafe, should I be?
RedCafe is the most biased United forums there are... I hate it there. You can't say a single bad thing about the team without being slated by 20 members. I'd rather post on FootballForums.net


I'm a member on Redcafe but stuck in the newbie section.

Some more transfer news for today ..... The Daily Mail says were after Benfica winger Di Maria and Ajax striker Suarez. The Mirror claims were after Ben Arfa from Marseille.

Can't post a link as I saw it on United website and their links never seem to work.
Di Maria's a great little player, definitely one of the top wingers this season in Europe. As for Ben Arfa, he's hard to judge. When he can be arsed, he's a great player. Thing is, he's a horrible little c*nt and has a horrible mentality. If Fergie can sort that out, I reckon he'd be a good buy. Doubt we'll get him though.


No-one has bid seen as thought the transfer window hasn't opened, its all speculation, hence to say Fergie said we're working narrow because of inflated prices AGAIN, which means we basically have no money to spend.
You can buy players BEFORE the transfer window, you know? You just won't get the player until it opens.

Also, don't think anyone really expects us to spend 50m+ this transfer window or it's just a big delusion.

[Tutankhamun]

No point over-paying for players, the future of the franschise is more important then over-paying for depth signings.

[StaticAge]

Any other teams 2nd striker? He's scored less than quite a few 2nd strikers in Europe, and from just Prem teams, Anelka has 15 goals this season to Berbatov's 12... so wrong. Pavlyuchenko has 10 in 21 games, so it's not more than Berbatov but it's a much better ratio. Also... for Villa, Carew has 17 goals and Agbonlahor has 16 so take whichever you want as the 2nd striker and they have more than Berbatov. Adebayor is City's 2nd striker and he has 14 goals, so more. And that's just Prem teams.

Well actually I was only counting in the Premier League, since it's the only competition where all teams play the same amount of games so it's the easiest way to count.

Adebayor has scored more in the league, I admit I missed that one.

And to Tutankhamun, I would recommend signing up to Redcafe yes, the newbie section system is great at keeping the WUMs and most of the idiots out of the main forum. Obviously you have to try and survive that section though first :p

[Demiant]

No point over-paying for players, the future of the franschise is more important then over-paying for depth signings.
Yeah, that's BS imo. Just an excuse from Fergie for not spending the Ronaldo money.


Well actually I was only counting in the Premier League, since it's the only competition where all teams play the same amount of games so it's the easiest way to count.

Adebayor has scored more in the league, I admit I missed that one.

And to Tutankhamun, I would recommend signing up to Redcafe yes, the newbie section system is great at keeping the WUMs and most of the idiots out of the main forum. Obviously you have to try and survive that section though first :p
Or you can count the number of games they've played?

Anelka - 15 goals in 43 games.
Carew - 17 in 39.
Pavlyuchenko- 11 in 20.
Berbatov - 12 in 43.

And I assume in your earlier post you were just referring to prem teams when you said Berbs scored more than any other backup ST?

[santinomarella]

Nothing wrong with just looking at Premier League stats since it takes up the majority of the season, 1 FA cup game, 2 Carling cup games and 6 Champions League games he played, where as he played 33 in the league. Looking at league goals he had one of the best records for 2nd strikers. People often say a strikers job is to score goals and Berba has.

[yourmumsface17]

RedCafe is the most biased United forums there are... I hate it there. You can't say a single bad thing about the team without being slated by 20 members. I'd rather post on FootballForums.net

:lol: Well if so many people say this does it ever occur to you that you might.. just might be wrong.... don't kill me :lol:

Ok can we not stop the Berba stuff? I'm sick of it, we get it most of you want him out (just like half of you wanted Nani out 5 weeks ago)

...and I agree with Tut I don't wanna see United get suckered into spending too much money, it's funny people say Berba hasn't performed like a 30 million pound player then they demand we go and spend vast amounts of money on mediorce players then off course it leads to crying "he's not performing like a 50 million pound player"

The likes of Ribery and Aguero have had figures of around 60 million on their heads... ridiculous, not worth that at all, I prefer Uniteds policy of unearthing gems :p

[StaticAge]

Well then you could count the amount of minutes played as that's more precise to see how regular they get a goal on average (in the league);

Pavlyuchenko- 5 in 788 minutes = 1 goal every 157 minutes
Berbatov - 12 in 2159 minutes = 1 goal every 179 minutes
Carew - 10 in 2171 minutes = 1 goal every 217 minutes
Anelka - 11 goals in 2762 minutes = 1 goal every 251 minutes

And yes I was only counted Premier League teams and games. Apart from other factors to count in foreign and lower leagues (like different teams to play against) it would take ages :lol:

But honestly, we all know the opinions of each other in this thread, so this continuous debate it pretty pointless.

*tries to change subject*


according to studio voetbal, man utd. have made an official bid of €23m. for luis suarez but we have declined and asked for a lot more.

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United's Ben Foster set to complete £6m move to Birmingham
• Goalkeeper undergoing medical ahead of move
• 27-year-old frustrated by lack of starts at Old Trafford


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2010/5/18/1274169105962/Ben-Foster-006.jpg
Ben Foster is leaving Manchester United for Birmingham. Photograph: Tom Jenkins

Ben Foster is expected to complete a £6m move from Manchester United to Birmingham City later today after undergoing a medical.

Although Foster began last season with hopes of ousting Edwin van der Sar as United's first-choice keeper, his chance disappeared with high-profile mistakes against Manchester City and Sunderland during a two-month period at the start of the campaign when the Dutchman was missing through injury.

Despite these blunders, Foster was handed successive England starts, against Belarus and Brazil, leading to an expectation he would claim a place in Fabio Capello's World Cup squad. Instead his club manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, largely kept him on the sidelines for the rest of the season, meaning the 27-year-old was not named in Capello's provisional squad last week.

After five years at United, two of which were spent on loan at Watford, Foster has accepted there is no future for him at the club, especially as Van der Sar has signed a year's contract extension.

Birmingham need a goalkeeper with Joe Hart having returned to Manchester City following his season-long loan.

Bye, bye. We need to get a GK prospect who can take over from VDS after next season.

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/18/ben-foster-manchester-united-birmingham)

[three3-times]

Adler, Neur, Akinieev or Lloris FTW (and not just cos of FM10!!!!!!)

[Cyn]

BTW Cyn, Ben Arfas only quality when he wants to be, absolutely horrible attitude and would disrupt your whole squad. As for Di Maria and Suarez, aint seen enough of Di Maria to comment but in the Europa League he looked quality. Suarez is really good though, obviously people will have doubts as it is the Dutch league and Alfonso Alves, Huntelaar, Kuyt etc all tore it up and havent been on the same level here or elsewhere but Luis Suarez just looks the business, skill, pace, technically quality and a good finisher. All thats needed really but not worth spending what Ajax want on a risk.
Seems to be the way for many players these days. Too much money at a young age turns them sour. If we did buy him and he stunk up the dressing room Wenger would probably just sell him for profit the following season.

[Demiant]

Nothing wrong with just looking at Premier League stats since it takes up the majority of the season, 1 FA cup game, 2 Carling cup games and 6 Champions League games he played, where as he played 33 in the league. Looking at league goals he had one of the best records for 2nd strikers. People often say a strikers job is to score goals and Berba has.
The league isn't all there is. Berbs scores against the crap teams, when does he ever score against top sides? This season, he's scored against Wigan (x2), Stoke, Sunderland, Blackburn, Hull, Burnley, Pompey, Everton, Fulham, and Bolton (x2). Of all those, only really Everton are half-decent. If the Fulham goal was at Craven Cottage, I'd include it but it was at OT and we all know how poo Fulham are away.


:lol: Well if so many people say this does it ever occur to you that you might.. just might be wrong.... don't kill me :lol:

Ok can we not stop the Berba stuff? I'm sick of it, we get it most of you want him out (just like half of you wanted Nani out 5 weeks ago)

...and I agree with Tut I don't wanna see United get suckered into spending too much money, it's funny people say Berba hasn't performed like a 30 million pound player then they demand we go and spend vast amounts of money on mediorce players then off course it leads to crying "he's not performing like a 50 million pound player"

The likes of Ribery and Aguero have had figures of around 60 million on their heads... ridiculous, not worth that at all, I prefer Uniteds policy of unearthing gems :p
First off, it was 6 months ago and not 5 weeks. 2nd off, Nani's young and can still improve. Berbatov's 29 and is meant to be in his peak.

I don't want to spend 50m on one player, I'd rather spend another 30m on a younger player where we don't have to rely on him making an immediate impact, he'll have time to settle in and get used to the Prem.

Oh and there's a reason there are more other Man United forums out there apart from RedCafe, probably because I'm not the only one who dislikes it. But, you know... that's just crazy talk.


Well then you could count the amount of minutes played as that's more precise to see how regular they get a goal on average (in the league);

Pavlyuchenko- 5 in 788 minutes = 1 goal every 157 minutes
Berbatov - 12 in 2159 minutes = 1 goal every 179 minutes
Carew - 10 in 2171 minutes = 1 goal every 217 minutes
Anelka - 11 goals in 2762 minutes = 1 goal every 251 minutes

And yes I was only counted Premier League teams and games. Apart from other factors to count in foreign and lower leagues (like different teams to play against) it would take ages :lol:

But honestly, we all know the opinions of each other in this thread, so this continuous debate it pretty pointless.

*tries to change subject*
Again, why only count Prem games? Seriously, it's as if Europe and the Cups don't exist. And fair enough counting only Prem teams, you brought the point up so your choice.


Adler, Neur, Akinieev or Lloris FTW (and not just cos of FM10!!!!!!)
Personally I'd go for Lloris... he's just epic.

[Tutankhamun]

I think we should spend the majority of our transfer money on Modric.

As for Berbatov this is the last I will say about it; The £30 million is gone, now we need to asses if he's worth his salary, if we think he is, no point selling him. We can expect around 15 goals from him, can only play against bad sides. Is he worth his salary, that's the question?

[Demiant]

I think we should spend the majority of our transfer money on Modric.

As for Berbatov this is the last I will say about it; The £30 million is gone, now we need to asses if he's worth his salary, if we think he is, no point selling him. We can expect around 15 goals from him, can only play against bad sides. Is he worth his salary, that's the question?
Obviously my answer is I'd rather sell him on and get 10-15m from some Italian side and add that to our transfer kitty.

What I hate most about Berbatov is not his lack of goals, it's the fact he has so many chances and doesn't get them. Also, he has a complete disregard for tracking back. Sure, he tries it once or twice but he's too lazy and probably doesn't have the legs for it. That's the difference between him and Tevez or even Alan Smith before him.

[three3-times]

I still hate berbaflop no matter what. however i wouldnt mind keeping him, IF we got a equal or better striker than Rooney.

Modric is out the question, what with spurs in the champs league (kinda!) i keep saying this, we paid 30 million for a 28 year old wasteman, spurs would want more than that for a younger and more in demand player

[yourmumsface17]

Demiat look the date in my sig.. 6 months ago my arse. Several other quotes from people round that time to... sorry but last 6 months ago = last december and he would have def been criticised heavily around then. Infact i'm willing to bet people would have been begging for a swap deal for Di Maria around then

[Demiant]

Demiat look the date in my sig.. 6 months ago my arse. Several other quotes from people round that time to... sorry but last 6 months ago = last december and he would have def been criticised heavily around then. Infact i'm willing to bet people would have been begging for a swap deal for Di Maria around then
Okay, let me rephrase... I criticized Nani 6 months ago. But again, he's young and has more time ahead of him to develop whereas Berbs is already 29. Just need to sell him to some Italian club and get the 10-15m. Rather Macheda play games than Berbs, and I'm dead serious.

[Tutankhamun]

Macheda is a cleaner striker for sure. Just look at the Chelsea game, Berbatov couldn't do anything and Macheda just needed a few minutes to find the net, he just knows how to score.

[three3-times]

Abiet a handball!!!

But still, he is a proper striker, not a waste of space/support striker like berb. Like i said, i dont mind he stays providing we get 1 or 2 marquee signings

[Tutankhamun]

Abiet a handball!!!

But still, he is a proper striker, not a waste of space/support striker like berb. Like i said, i dont mind he stays providing we get 1 or 2 marquee signings

Yeah sure it was a handball but I don't care how you get the ball into the net along as you do. I'm pretty sure Macheda could score 12 or more goals given a full season without injuries and whatnot.

[yourmumsface17]

Yes, I agree lets sell Berba or just bench him and start a striker who has scored around 4 goals and hasn't even been that great in the reserves, and yes obviously second strikers are just wastes and pointless.

Berba out, Macheda in

(BTW my new thing is to sarcastically agree with dumbass ideas)

anyway can we drop it? Like Static said earlier we all know each others views.

[Tutankhamun]

Yes, I agree lets sell Berba or just bench him and start a striker who has scored around 4 goals and hasn't even been that great in the reserves, and yes obviously second strikers are just wastes and pointless.

Berba out, Macheda in

(BTW my new thing is to sarcastically agree with dumbass ideas)

anyway can we drop it? Like Static said earlier we all know each others views.

Macheda hasn't even played that much for the reservers, he was injured most of the year and when he played with the big boys he scored. I bet anything that Macheda will carry number 7 in about two years.

[yourmumsface17]

Macheda hasn't even played that much for the reservers, he was injured most of the year and when he played with the big boys he scored. I bet anything that Macheda will carry number 7 in about two years.
Yep completely agree, 2 years? try 2 months, he will get it that soon, he's just that good!

[Tutankhamun]

Yep completely agree, 2 years? try 2 months, he will get it that soon, he's just that good!

So your saying at the end of both careers, Berbatov will be regarded as the better player? You might be right, I'm just saying...

[Demiant]

Yes, I agree lets sell Berba or just bench him and start a striker who has scored around 4 goals and hasn't even been that great in the reserves, and yes obviously second strikers are just wastes and pointless.

Berba out, Macheda in

(BTW my new thing is to sarcastically agree with dumbass ideas)

anyway can we drop it? Like Static said earlier we all know each others views.
Hence me saying we need to bring ANOTHER striker in. Benzema, if I had my choice of realistic targets.


Yep completely agree, 2 years? try 2 months, he will get it that soon, he's just that good!
Yeah because Berbatov's been extremely impressive since we've bought him. I'm not of the belief that Macheda is good enough to be a first choice for us, but I don't think Berbatov is either and I just said Macheda would have probably done a better job. First off, he can actually score against good teams. 2 of his 3 goals were important ones that won us the game (and played a crucial part in winning us the league) and the third was against Chelsea. So before attempting poor sarcasm and criticizing Macheda, take a look at the player you're standing up for.

I'd get it if you were standing up for Nani/Gibson/Obertan/etc... they're all young and can improve. Berbatov's 29, so he's at his peak. Means he won't get better. So is having a 2nd striker that gets us 12 goals a season (against poo sides, need I remind you) good enough for you for next season? Because it's not for me. If a player like Macheda, Welbeck, Diouf, etc gets 12 goals a season next season, it'll be different because they'll be able to improve on it.

For the record (because I'm sure you're just full of witty & sarcastic comments atm), I don't think any of them are good enough to be first choice, and only Macheda do I see having the potential to be even close to our starting lineup a few years down the line. I might be wrong and he can be playing for Swansea in 3 years and Welbeck could be banging in 20 goals a season for us... but I'd be willing to wager all I have that even if we keep Berbs, he won't get more than 15 goals a season next year.

[yourmumsface17]

^^^ Completely agree, sell em all I say! Bravo :D

[Tutankhamun]

^^^ Completely agree, sell em all I say! Bravo :D

Are you drunk?

[santinomarella]

Demiant you often mention how Berbatov's goals have only been against bottom table teams, but why exactly does that matter, the season is not just about getting wins against the better teams its about beating ALL teams, that includes the likes of Burnley, Wolves etc (No dis-respect intended to those teams) and teams like Chelsea and Arsenal. Just look at Liverpool a couple of seasons ago had the best record against what was then the top 4 teams, what did it win them? a few bragging rights. The point with Berbatov here is that he is scoring, whether he scores against Wigan or Chelsea it doesn't matter because it all means the same.

You also mention how you want Benzema, and mention how Berbatov hasn't exactly impressed in his time here, well what has Benzema done at Madrid? not much. Why do we want to replace a player, who has in some peoples eyes unperformed with another under performing player?

[Demiant]

Demiant you often mention how Berbatov's goals have only been against bottom table teams, but why exactly does that matter, the season is not just about getting wins against the better teams its about beating ALL teams, that includes the likes of Burnley, Wolves etc (No dis-respect intended to those teams) and teams like Chelsea and Arsenal. Just look at Liverpool a couple of seasons ago had the best record against what was then the top 4 teams, what did it win them? a few bragging rights. The point with Berbatov here is that he is scoring, whether he scores against Wigan or Chelsea it doesn't matter because it all means the same.

You also mention how you want Benzema, and mention how Berbatov hasn't exactly impressed in his time here, well what has Benzema done at Madrid? not much. Why do we want to replace a player, who has in some peoples eyes unperformed with another under performing player?
Because it's easy to perform against crap teams, but when you can't do it against the top teams then you're not good enough. Of course Berbatov can score against Wigan, but when we're already 3-0 up it doesn't matter. I want a striker who can score againt Chelsea when we're 1-0 down and need atleast a draw. I want a striker who can score against Bayern Munich when we're playing at OT and need a goal to go through. Berbatov hasn't been able to do that.

As for Benzema, I'm not completely sure he'll score 20+ goals a season, you can never be. What I'm saying is Benzema is YOUNG and can improve on his current level of ability. It's easy to underperform for Madrid because you're never played consistently. Look at Sneijder, he wasn't all that great for Madrid simply because he was often pushed out wide or brought on as a sub. Mourinho decided 14m was a bargain and it's got him to the CL.

Robben wasn't bad for Madrid but he wasn't great. They'd rather have Ronaldo, so Robben went to Bayern and he's been their best player this season and again, it's got them to the CL.

So are you really not ready to take a gamble on a player just because he's not performing for Madrid? There are countless other examples I could give you of players that didn't perform at Madrid but performed elsewhere, I'd be glad to share them if you like. And this might be unimportant but I'll include it anyway, in his two seasons prior to joining Madrid, Benzema bagged 55 goals. That's more than Berbatov has ever scored in two combined seasons.

[mankind]

I dont think Macheda is good enough to play first team, he scored 1 good goal and got 2 flukey goals, he has done **** all. We need an attacking midfielder and a good striker, Macheda is not good enough yet but I dont see anything in him.

[santinomarella]

Because it's easy to perform against crap teams, but when you can't do it against the top teams then you're not good enough. Of course Berbatov can score against Wigan, but when we're already 3-0 up it doesn't matter. I want a striker who can score againt Chelsea when we're 1-0 down and need atleast a draw. I want a striker who can score against Bayern Munich when we're playing at OT and need a goal to go through. Berbatov hasn't been able to do that.

As for Benzema, I'm not completely sure he'll score 20+ goals a season, you can never be. What I'm saying is Benzema is YOUNG and can improve on his current level of ability. It's easy to underperform for Madrid because you're never played consistently. Look at Sneijder, he wasn't all that great for Madrid simply because he was often pushed out wide or brought on as a sub. Mourinho decided 14m was a bargain and it's got him to the CL.

Robben wasn't bad for Madrid but he wasn't great. They'd rather have Ronaldo, so Robben went to Bayern and he's been their best player this season and again, it's got them to the CL.

So are you really not ready to take a gamble on a player just because he's not performing for Madrid? There are countless other examples I could give you of players that didn't perform at Madrid but performed elsewhere, I'd be glad to share them if you like. And this might be unimportant but I'll include it anyway, in his two seasons prior to joining Madrid, Benzema bagged 55 goals. That's more than Berbatov has ever scored in two combined seasons.

The reason I mentioned Benzema's season with Madrid is because he, like Berbatov went to a new club for a high price and high expectations and neither have performed to the level they previously had at their old clubs. Now with Berbatov some fans have had enough and want him gone, yet one of the main targets is Benzema, someone who has gone through a similar situation as Berbatov.

With the greatest of respect to the French league it is not at the same level as English and Spanish leagues, now if Benzema is going to come United he is going to have just as equally high expectations, perhaps not a high price tag, but you never know when dealing with Madrid. Is he going to be able to live up to that, with his season at Madrid it is a concern.

What happens if we only play the one striker in bigger games again next season, Benzmea will be on the bench or out of position and will have similar problems of trying to get in the team and perform at the high level like we know he can.

We could just have a similar problem with him like we have had with Berbatov.

[Tutankhamun]

Berbatov: 29 years old Benzema: 22

Berba peaked at Spurs, **** happens. Benzema won't peak for several years.

[santinomarella]

Berbatov: 29 years old Benzema: 22

Berba peaked at Spurs, **** happens. Benzema won't peak for several years.

With Benzema were not going to sign him and say he is a player for the future, like what Macheda is, he is already an established player, at Lyon you could say he was world class, if we were to sign him there would be a much higher expectation on him from the start than if we signed an unknown 22 year old player.

[Tutankhamun]

With Benzema were not going to sign him and say he is a player for the future, like what Macheda is, he is already an established player, at Lyon you could say he was world class, if we were to sign him there would be a much higher expectation on him from the start than if we signed an unknown 22 year old player.

Yeah sure, that's why I think we will play something like a 4-4-2 if we get Benzema. It would also be interesting if we bring in a rental like Anelka or Bent istead of Benzema like rumors have suggested. I don't think anything is written in stone yet, SAF might do somethin unexpected or nothing at all.

Still can't place Hernandez in our depth chart, which makes this hard. Nobody seems to know anything about him.

[Demiant]

The reason I mentioned Benzema's season with Madrid is because he, like Berbatov went to a new club for a high price and high expectations and neither have performed to the level they previously had at their old clubs. Now with Berbatov some fans have had enough and want him gone, yet one of the main targets is Benzema, someone who has gone through a similar situation as Berbatov.

With the greatest of respect to the French league it is not at the same level as English and Spanish leagues, now if Benzema is going to come United he is going to have just as equally high expectations, perhaps not a high price tag, but you never know when dealing with Madrid. Is he going to be able to live up to that, with his season at Madrid it is a concern.

What happens if we only play the one striker in bigger games again next season, Benzmea will be on the bench or out of position and will have similar problems of trying to get in the team and perform at the high level like we know he can.

We could just have a similar problem with him like we have had with Berbatov.
Benzema went to Real Madrid and had an underperforming first season where he was basically 2nd fiddle to Higs the entire season and didn't get as much playtime because Higs outshadowed him. Also, he's 22 and can improve.

Berbatov's had TWO seasons with us and hasn't performed, he's 29 so he's knocking on a bit... if he can't perform in his peak than there's no hope for him.

You're comparing the French leagues to England & Spain, fair enough... but keep in mind Berbatov has also played in the Bundesliga and in Bulgaria and still, as said earlier, in any 2 given seasons of his he hasn't scored as much as Benz in his 2 seasons prior to going to Madrid.

As for your last point, if Benz is used as 2nd choice in a 433/451, he can actually play as lone striker. He's done it for Lyon and for France. If he gets the service, he'll get the goals.


Berbatov: 29 years old Benzema: 22

Berba peaked at Spurs, **** happens. Benzema won't peak for several years.
Exactly.

[three3-times]

Er you what SAF? i Dont think so, squad isnt good enough to reclaim the league, espically with other teams strengthening. an AMC and a proven striker are a must



Sir Alex Ferguson may limit Manchester United signings



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Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson has said he may not add any more players to his squad this summer. Ferguson has already signed Mexico's Javier Hernandez from Guadalajara and defender Chris Smalling from Fulham.
A host of other signings were expected, particularly after chief executive David Gill indicated funds are available to his manager.
"There may be one signing but it's not easy in the present climate. The market is very difficult," said Ferguson.
Speaking alongside Gill at a press conference in New York to promote United's four-game North American tour this summer, Ferguson added: "The structure of our squad is good in terms of ages, the balance, the numbers and there's a lot of good young players.
"Sometimes you have to trust in the development of the last few years and I'm going to stick with that, or most of it."
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Gill added: "The Premier League is bringing in squad limits next year of 25 but there will be unlimited under-21s and other rules and we'll be taking all that into consideration."
Ferguson revealed he would not be replacing goalkeeper Ben Foster, instead promoting England Under-21 international Ben Amos to the first-team squad alongside Edwin Van der Sar and Tomasz Kuszczak.
Foster is close to completing a £6m move to Birmingham, having missed out on England's squad for the World Cup in South Africa.
"When we decided to let Ben (Foster) go, we were in the process of letting a good young goalkeeper, Ben Amos, go out on loan," Ferguson said.
"He's in the England Under-21 team but we can only accommodate three goalkeepers. So when the situation with Ben's future at Manchester United came into it and we agreed to let him go, we stopped Ben Amos from going on loan.
"He will now be our third goalkeeper, he's very talented and has a good future ahead of him."
Supporters' groups opposed to the Glazer family's ownership of Manchester United have argued that Ferguson's transfer dealings are being limited by the level of debt carried by the club.
But Gill said: "We're very confident the business model we have in place will ensure the club can continue to compete at the top of football for many years to come.
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"Our season ticket sales, renewals, for this upcoming season are on track with previous years. Our executive ticket renewals are on track.
"The owners have been true to their word since they took over the club in 2005. They've brought commercial expertise and commercial benefit to us in a numbers of areas, and we've seen our revenues grow significantly."
The club's summer tour will begin with a training camp in Chicago followed by friendlies against Celtic (Toronto, 16 July), the Philadelphia Union (Philadelphia, 21 July), the Kansas City Wizards (Kansas, 25 July) and the MLS All-Stars (Houston, 28 July).
Ferguson will give his World Cup players leave of absence from the tour, which will move on to Mexico and a game against Guadalajara, which was agreed as part of the deal to sign striker Hernandez.

[Tutankhamun]

Might be some sort of trick to let teams/targets know we won't overpay or be desperate. I expect 2-3 signings.

[three3-times]

This is the only thing that really irritates me about my club, and this is the worst news I could have heard this summer. Absolutely ridiculous. We didn't win the prem, CL or even the FA cup this year because you can't let two players like Tevez and Ronaldo leave without replacing them and expect to carry on as you were.

The only reason we were even up there fighting for the PL is because Chelsea dropped so many points. There are only two possible reasons why we aren't signing any players: 1) There's no money, and the press speculation is correct, or 2) Fergie is balking at the transfer amounts. Fair enough, they are over-inflated, but moaning about it isn't going to change it - we just have to pay it for the best players. We desperately need a striker, a new keeper and midfield replacements for when Scholesy and Giggs go.

Defence is solid though!

[yourmumsface17]

He has said that loads of times and gone back on it, it means nothing tbh.

...If this is the case, one more signing then i'm ok with it, as long as it's a top quality midfielder. Maybe he believes in the youngsters? I don't know.

EDIT: Good to see Amos being touted as the 3rd choice keeper, looks like a talented young lad, hopefully he can go through the ranks to number 1 eventually

[elite gamer]

Chelsea FTW?

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/18/1930683/gloating-chelsea-fans-hijacked-manchester-uniteds-telephone