The Manchester United Thread

[dc89]

And I can talk about defence now seeing as how City have the joint best defence in the league if you look at the table!

[Tutankhamun]

Oh boy...

[LC77]

No, the point is you calling his form this season "decent" is just as ridiculous as those who're labelling him a world beater all of a sudden. Your criticism that Rooney and United have carried him for 2 season's is also a massive exaggeration. He's had 2 decent seasons, not better but certainly not worse either. The worst you can say is he had 2 underwhelming seasons considering his transfer fee (which is hardly his own fault) and his obvious talent.

When did five games become a season? So my, claim that his five game season has been decent, is hardly ridiculous just a fact. Besides, this is a discussion for the end of this season.

I hope his form continues and he helps United win everything, but somehow I don't think that will happen.

[Tutankhamun]

Owen!

[dc89]

Your really treading on thin ice playing like this!

[santinomarella]

I give it 5 mins before the defence ruins things again.

But well done Owen, should have started really, but Rooney would never be dropped.

Also Nani is on fire, 6 games, 6 assist's and 2 goals!

[dc89]

When does the 'Fergie Out' start?

[santinomarella]

Never!

[Metal Warrior]

Our defence is drab and we can't cross to save our lives. That's this game in a nutshell.

[dc89]

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Let the meltdown/Spanish Inquisition begin.

[santinomarella]

Redcafe always has problems after every game, win, lose or draw.

[Demiant]

And this is why I don't think we'll win the league. We're not lethal & clinical enough this season. Well played Bolton, but if anything it was more us playing poorly, especially the attack. Berbatov went back to last year's version, Rooney went back to the Ronaldo days version (meaning his all around play was good but having to score was out of the question), Giggs/Park were completely useless. Nani was our only attacking player who looked like he actually wanted to play. Scholes/Fletch weren't poor but they weren't anything to write home about either.

Sure, Evans made big mistake for Knight's goal but I thought other than that him & Vidic were very solid for the remainder of the game and both made some quality interceptions. Our 2nd goal conceded came from O'Shea being anywhere but at RB. Fergie must be fuming right now. I honestly haven't seen much of Bebe bar his appearance against S****horpe but surely he can't be worse than Giggs or Park. I'd rather have seen f*cking Obertan there today.

Just like last year we get a chance to capitalize on Chelsea dropping points and we bottle it.

[dc89]

If I'm allowed to take my Blue specs off for a minute I will post something sensible:

You had your chance today and you blew it again. Seriously though. Chelsea dropped 6 points to City last year and you didn't capitalise then and you haven't today! If your going to win the league you have to take them chances. The quicker Rio is back the better but that won't fix everything. I still think you really need to be looking at Scholes & Giggs replacements. Maybe not go for an attacking (you can score enough goals) replacement but more of a defensive midfielder, all the great winning teams over the years have had one and maybe it's United's turn to adopt that tactic. I just think a really good DM infront of Vidic and Rio would do the world of good.



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...LOL. Just you wait until Derby day, we're going to have a field day!

[DangerousMali]

LOL, looks like everyones weekend was a bit rubbish except for city, they have effectly made 2/3 points on everyone

thanks for not taking advantage though!

[dc89]

Seems like I'm not the only one thinking it either...

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Click it so see it better.

[santinomarella]

Need a consistent RB, O'Shea is good for cover there but not as first choice. Either Rafael or the Wes Brown of a few years ago. The criticism of Evans is a bit over the top, he doesn't really have bad game's, he just seems to make silly mistakes, 2 games running he has made mistakes which have cost us goals, while his overall performances have been OK, the mistakes can't be ignored especially since they are becoming frequent.

Giggs is out for a few weeks now, so I'm sure we will see more of either Obertan or Bebe. Unless Hernandez is played there. :( But that being said Solskjaer did very well there after Beckham left.

Optimism Alert!

Turn away now if easily offended by optimism and positivity!

At this stage during our last 3 title winning season's we had, 13 points, 11 points and 11 points. We currently have 12 points. Would be interesting to see if there were fans saying we will never win the league at this point during those seasons.

[three3-times]

why was rio dropped for that prat evans? rio is fit but wasnt even on the bench? its no conidence that our defence is a mess and rio isnt in it? Oshea needs to **** off. Wes brown is a far better RB and he isnt even a RB!

rooney needs to be benched. the media shiz is messing him up. go with owen and berba for a bit

and as for you dc, your team is sooooo crap its untrue, yes you beat chelsea, but all you did was frigging defend. Your manager set your team out so negative and not to lose. but a wins a win aye?!

[Demiant]

why was rio dropped for that prat evans? rio is fit but wasnt even on the bench? its no conidence that our defence is a mess and rio isnt in it? Oshea needs to **** off. Wes brown is a far better RB and he isnt even a RB!

rooney needs to be benched. the media shiz is messing him up. go with owen and berba for a bit

and as for you dc, your team is sooooo crap its untrue, yes you beat chelsea, but all you did was frigging defend. Your manager set your team out so negative and not to lose. but a wins a win aye?!
Sorry, but Brown's not a better RB than O'Shea. They're equally as sh*t as each other. Brown from 2-3 seasons ago, yes. Not anymore. Rafael seriously should be starting.

[three3-times]

rafa is a red card waiting to happen, but tbh, r problems are defending set pieces

[DangerousMali]

im going to clear this corner lol jk im johnny evans :snicker

[Demiant]

rafa is a red card waiting to happen, but tbh, r problems are defending set pieces
Yes, the man (boy?) gets sent off once in 30 games for us and he's a red card waiting to happen...


im going to clear this corner lol jk im johnny evans :snicker
That was very bad defending but to be fair to him, he was very good after that. Thing is, he's a good defender he just has a few lapses. I don't think he's the reason we've conceded so many. I think it's the fact that we're playing a 2-man midfield with no out & out DM. I like Fletcher, the man's improved... but he's not out & out DM. When we had a 3-man mid it was ok but in a 2-man mid... we need a Hargreaves-esque player. Even with Rio/Vidic at CB I still think it'd be the same.

[DangerousMali]

but this isn't the first time this season his been beaten to a ball in a dangerous area, he is a weakness and slow to react

Manchester united have failed to win away from home so far this season, it's a bit of a shock, normally your defence is your strongest quality, but it's amazing how many you've leaked this season, really odd, it's giving teams hope thats for sure

[dc89]

I thought you'd all like to know that tonight I'm playing 5 a side and I'm wearing this!



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[DangerousMali]

:snicker

inb4 i hope you break you nails as you get shoved into the wallside

[StaticAge]

I thought you'd all like to know that tonight I'm playing 5 a side and I'm wearing this!



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Congratulations...

[manutdfan]

I thought you'd all like to know that tonight I'm playing 5 a side and I'm wearing this!



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Well done.

[DangerousMali]

very clever guys, using nice language to confuse and disturb him so he can't focus during his 5 a side

:snicker

i see you doods, i see ya!

[three3-times]

demiant - rafa is a great prospect, but he is very rash and likes to dive in. ergo he is a red card waiting to happen............sheesh.

as soon as rio comes back, we'll be fine. really dont get y he wasnt playing when he is fit

[manutdfan]

very clever guys, using nice language to confuse and disturb him so he can't focus during his 5 a side

:snicker

i see you doods, i see ya!

Lets hope he breaks both his hands.

[Tutankhamun]

demiant - rafa is a great prospect, but he is very rash and likes to dive in. ergo he is a red card waiting to happen............sheesh.

as soon as rio comes back, we'll be fine. really dont get y he wasnt playing when he is fit

Are you sure Rio was fit?

[manutdfan]

Are you sure Rio was fit?

He had a shoulder injury thats why he wasn't in the squad.

[DangerousMali]

well done lads, karma has made dc team get battered in that 5 a side, that and his a bit ****

[santinomarella]

Lets hope there is no added time in his 5 a side game, he might go insane. :help

[dc89]

Hahaha!

Yeah Karma's a real sucker!

Luckily though, no broken nails but I was chopped once. But the best bit of the night was my diving header for a clearance. Very JT inspired, but thats where it stopped I'm afraid.

[three3-times]

I think its time for us to give owen a proper chance. He has lost a yard of pace but he is still quick and a top class striker and easily one of the best finishers in the prem. His header sunday was class.

He delivered for united last season in the few chances he got and i think he excels under pressure as shown by the city goal. I think we would of won the title if he was fit when rooney was out rather than relying on berbs. I was suprised fergie didnt give him more of a chance after his hat trick vs wolfsburg.

Rooney doesnt justify his place right now when we have quality on the bench, hes not playing as badly as people make out but i think he would benefit from afew games on the sidelines.

Hernandez and Macheda are good but macheda needs more time to develop and isnt as much of a threat as any of our other strikers and hernandez needs time to settle in.

Owen playing with berbs dropping deep to dictate play would work nicely and it would motivate rooney to pick his game up as he always wants to play.

What do you guys think?

Also, evans needs to man up or **** off. he gets targeting as strikers no they can bully him!!! Rio please play all the time from now on.

I will say our problem atm, is not just the defence, its the midfield not offering NO protection atm. praying hargo is over the kneww problems as steadman said.

[Metal Warrior]

I think its time for us to give owen a proper chance. He has lost a yard of pace but he is still quick and a top class striker and easily one of the best finishers in the prem. His header sunday was class.

He delivered for united last season in the few chances he got and i think he excels under pressure as shown by the city goal. I think we would of won the title if he was fit when rooney was out rather than relying on berbs. I was suprised fergie didnt give him more of a chance after his hat trick vs wolfsburg.

Rooney doesnt justify his place right now when we have quality on the bench, hes not playing as badly as people make out but i think he would benefit from afew games on the sidelines.

Hernandez and Macheda are good but macheda needs more time to develop and isnt as much of a threat as any of our other strikers and hernandez needs time to settle in.

Owen playing with berbs dropping deep to dictate play would work nicely and it would motivate rooney to pick his game up as he always wants to play.

What do you guys think?

Also, evans needs to man up or **** off. he gets targeting as strikers no they can bully him!!! Rio please play all the time from now on.

I will say our problem atm, is not just the defence, its the midfield not offering NO protection atm. praying hargo is over the kneww problems as steadman said.

Carrick is also someone who can offer protection. I think it's time he gets his chance again, especially now that Fletcher is struggling a bit. If Carrick can pick up his form again, he can be a very important player.

Evans is a problem. His general performance is okay, but he makes a few mistakes each game which really bring down his game. We should definately hold on to him, but he's just not ready to start every game. He needs time.

Rio's and Carrick's return are crucial to our title challenge. And if Hargreaves and Anderson can also return and make some sort of impact, I'd really fancy us. But if the current situation drags on for much longer, we're in trouble. So no need to panic yet, but we definately have to improve.

[three3-times]

your right about carrick. for all carricks negative play, he is close to a DMC as we have.

edit...
With the injury to Giggs and Valencia out for a while how about reverting Rooney to a left sided attacking role. He did it really well for most of a season a few years ago. It would take away the pressure of his lack of goals and he could get his head down for a while and just work hard.

We've got plenty of cover up front and for a while might just help sort his head out and regain his form.

[Tutankhamun]

I think Owen should get more games now but I'm very worried about Rooney, I almost feel like he will ask to be transferred just because of this media crap. I think Evans will be a very good defender for us for many years I see him as our future captain. The lad needs time still but we are short on CB's so he's being a bit rushed which worries me. As for midfield we need to do a ton of things there tbh, we need to find replacements for Giggs and Scholes (as SAF have said) and if Hargo can't get back we need to find a defensive midfielder to take over from him. Also we need an attacking midfielder.

Macheda and Hernandez will both be quality but they also need time, I do feel SAF is doing the right thing by throwing them a bone now and then. Good for their confidents.

[manutdfan]

Yeah Kiko and Hernandez are ones for the future no doubt.

[Tutankhamun]

Former Man United striker set for Old Trafford return?


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Manchester United are keen on bringing former striker Diego Forlan back to the club, according to reports this morning.

Italian website Tutto Mercato claims Inter Milan are interested in signing the Uruguayan hit man but will face competition from United boss Sir Alex Ferguson.

The 31-year-old forward spent two years at Old Trafford between 2002-04 but left after scoring just 10 goals in 63 games for the Red Devils.

He moved to Villarreal where he regained his form and scored 54 goals in 106 La Liga games before joining Atletico Madrid in 2007 where he continued his impressive form, and helped the club win the Europa League last season.

He also won the Golden Ball award for being the best player at the World Cup in South Africa.

Source (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-United-transfer-news-Former-Red-Devils-striker-Diego-Forlan-set-for-Old-Trafford-return-article588745.html)

Diego-woah ohh ohh


Rooney left out of United's Euro clash

Manchester United have left Wayne Rooney out of their squad to face Valencia on Wednesday, according to club sources.

The England striker has been struggling for form in the wake of allegations that he slept with hooker Jennifer 'Juicy Jeni' Thompson.

He was poor at Bolton on Sunday and was subbed by Sir Alex Ferguson after an hour - but watched the rest of the game with an ice pack on his ankle.

United are likely to use this injury as an explanation for his absence from a trip to Spain which is a must-win for Fergie's side after their Matchday One home bore draw with Rangers.

But there will be speculation that Rooney's dramatic loss of form is the real reason he will not travel.

Rooney was given a verbal rocket by former England and Newcastle manager Kevin Keegan after Sunday's game.

Said the ex-Liverpool striker: "His performance at Bolton tells me his confidence is shot

"You can't then turn around and say there's too much paparazzi around or too much publicity,. You can't have all the contracts, sell your wedding to magazines and things like this, and suddenly say, 'That's the tap I want to turn on but we want to turn the other one off'.

"It's just one tap and I know from when I played that if you are advertising boots and all these things, you have to go and make appearances. You are going to appear in the paper.

"But the one thing I would say is keep your home and your family out of it and just take your endorsements if that's what you want to do.

"One minute you are courting it, the next minute you're saying 'I don't want this'."

Ryan Giggs will also miss the Valencia clash after suffering a hamstring injury at Bolton.

Source (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Wayne-Rooney-left-out-of-Manchester-United-v-Valencia-over-ankle-injury-but-loss-of-form-is-also-blamed-article589219.html)

Boo.

[welshfrankie]

If any of you are wondering where my Matchly Drinkwater reports are, he's been injured for a few weeks :snicker
Hoping to return v Bristol City on 16th Oct. though.

[manutdfan]

I can't see Forlan coming back him and Fergie had big failing out over the boots he was wearing lol.

[santinomarella]

Owen definitely deserves more games, he's scored 3 goals in a week and is playing well, judging by his celebration on Sunday he is very much up for the fight of getting more games. :)

I hope he starts either against Valencia or Sunderland, both are gonna be hard games and we need our on form players playing!

Rooney will be back to his best soon.

[LC77]

Bit rich of Keegan having a pop at Rooney, haven't seen Rooney have near nervous break-down on Live TV yet.

And too much panic after the draw yesterday. Decent result considering United are not playing well at the moment.

Arsenal will beat Chelsea this weekend and United will be level top after beating Sunderland.... so where's the problem? :snicker

[R3D D3V!L]

The only ex-united player that may return is Ronaldo as far as I can see.

[three3-times]

as for rooney missing wednesdays game......meh...so what. the way he is playing, meh. can see a midfield of park, ando, scholes, fletch and nani

[Tutankhamun]

Rooney definitely out:


Wayne Rooney ruled out of Manchester United's trip to Valencia
• Rooney picked up ankle injury during draw with Bolton
• Striker went off during second half at the Reebok Stadium


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Wayne Rooney has been ruled out of Manchester United's Champions League game against Valencia on Wednesday due to an ankle injury picked up during yesterday's draw against Bolton Wanderers.

Sir Alex Ferguson has told club officials the 24-year-old will not be fit enough to make the trip after being withdrawn during the second half of yesterday's game.

It is unclear how long Rooney will be out for, but he could possibly miss United's trip to Sunderland on Saturday, while England will hope the striker will be able to participate in their Euro 2012 qualifier against Montenegro on 12 October.

Some may feel it is a good time for Rooney to have a break. On ESPN yesterday, the pundit Kevin Keegan voiced his concern for the striker, who has scored only one goal for United this season, a penalty against West Ham United.

Meanwhile Nemanja Vidic has told his team-mates to cut out the defensive lapses that are wrecking their title bid. United have conceded nine goals in five Premier League games so far this season, and are three points behind the leaders, Chelsea.

"It is a big concern that we are conceding so many away goals," said Vidic. "We have to stop doing it. We cannot let it happen again.

"Over the last few years we haven't given that many goals away or even allowed them so many chances. Before we have always looked strong, so this is not what we are used to. We have to play much better in our away games."

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/27/wayne-rooney-injury-manchester-united)

[manutdfan]

He could do with a rest anyway.

[santinomarella]

:o


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[R3D D3V!L]

Maybe it's a sign...... oooooooooooooo

[StaticAge]

Rooney's out for 3 weeks BTW.

[R3D D3V!L]

So maybe he is injured? Or it could be a cover up forn something else.

[StaticAge]

Don't know. But the official line is an ankle injury.

Oh and Scholes is out for 10 days.

[three3-times]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6406065,00.html


Wayne Rooney will be out for up to three weeks with an ankle injury, Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed.

The England international limped out of United's 2-2 draw with Bolton in the 61st minute on Sunday and had an ice-pack strapped to his ankle on the bench.

He had already been ruled out of the Red Devils' UEFA Champions League clash with Valencia on Wednesday night and now Ferguson has confirmed an extended spell on the sidelines.

The United boss said: "It will be two to three weeks. But it depends because Wayne has done quite well with his recovery from injury in the past."

If he is out for three weeks, the striker will miss the clashes with Sunderland and West Brom in the Premier League, as well as England's home date with Montenegro on 12th October.

Meanwhile, Ferguson also confirmed that midfielder Paul Scholes will be sidelined for 10 days with a calf problem.

good thing, ando, carrick and hargo are back. i can see fergie going with a attacking 4.5.1 till roo is back

[Firefox]

Keegan on Rooney.. that was quite harsh but you have to admit so true.

[Demiant]

Finally, the man will get some time off to clear his head. This could only be good news, seeing as how he's contributed almost nothing this season it's not a huge loss anyway. Scholes injured is more worrying, imo. Probably be playing Gibson tonight then. Lovely news. Ah well, with our current away form, not like we were going to win anyway.

[Metal Warrior]

Finally, the man will get some time off to clear his head. This could only be good news, seeing as how he's contributed almost nothing this season it's not a huge loss anyway. Scholes injured is more worrying, imo. Probably be playing Gibson tonight then. Lovely news. Ah well, with our current away form, not like we were going to win anyway.

Don't forget Anderson is back, maybe Carrick as well. A midfield trio of Fletch, Carrick and Anderson doesn't look too bad at all. Wasn't that the midfield that tore Arsenal to shreds in their own backyard in the CL semis? They're more than capable of doing the same to Valencia, but it'll depend on how fit they are.

[Demiant]

Don't forget Anderson is back, maybe Carrick as well. A midfield trio of Fletch, Carrick and Anderson doesn't look too bad at all. Wasn't that the midfield that tore Arsenal to shreds in their own backyard in the CL semis? They're more than capable of doing the same to Valencia, but it'll depend on how fit they are.
Exactly, a midfielder who hasn't started a game yet this season and another who, bar S****horpe, hasn't started a game in about 6 months? They're not exactly gonna be in top shape. Also, if we play 3 in mid, it means we'll be playing with AT BEST Berbs as our lone striker. As good as the man's been this season, it's been in a 442. He's not cut out to be a lone striker.

[Metal Warrior]

Exactly, a midfielder who hasn't started a game yet this season and another who, bar S****horpe, hasn't started a game in about 6 months? They're not exactly gonna be in top shape. Also, if we play 3 in mid, it means we'll be playing with AT BEST Berbs as our lone striker. As good as the man's been this season, it's been in a 442. He's not cut out to be a lone striker.

Not in top shape no, but if they're fit enough we should try them anyway. I don't believe they have to be in top shape to play well against Valencia, but they'll need to show character. An almost fit Anderson and Carrick are better than a fit Gibson anyway at this level, even though I rate the lad as a squad player.

Berbatov played alone up top against Everton. We might not remember that game too fondly, but Berbatov actually had a great game and scored a nice goal. Granted, Everton are abysmal this season, but there's nothing to suggest he can't do the same against Valencia. We're seeing a very different Berbatov this season.

[LC77]

Keegan on Rooney.. that was quite harsh but you have to admit so true.

The way the media have treated Rooney is an absolute joke. The only person who Rooney has to answer to is his wife.

I think it is a cheap shot from Keegan, jumping on the slag Rooney off band wagon... a certain ex-dogger is also at it. Funny how they both kept quiet during the Gerrard trial?! Pair of ex-soap dodgers anyway.

As for the ankle injury, Rooney certainly ran off the pitch on Saturday looking fine. Fergie has probalby told him to get away for a few weeks, to try and get his life and head in order. But if he comes out and says, he's sent Rooney on holiday for staying in a hotel with some strange woman who broke into his room, the media will get its knickers in a twist once again.

[Demiant]

The way the media have treated Rooney is an absolute joke. The only person who Rooney has to answer to is his wife.

I think it is a cheap shot from Keegan, jumping on the slag Rooney off band wagon... a certain ex-dogger is also at it. Funny how they both kept quiet during the Gerrard trial?! Pair of ex-soap dodgers anyway.

As for the ankle injury, Rooney certainly ran off the pitch on Saturday looking fine. Fergie has probalby told him to get away for a few weeks, to try and get his life and head in order. But if he comes out and says, he's sent Rooney on holiday for staying in a hotel with some strange woman who broke into his room, the media will get its knickers in a twist once again.
I think a few weeks off is exactly what he needs. And although I like the guy and he's one of my favourite current footballers, he's brought it upon himself. You can't go out and seek the limelight and then say "No, f*ck off and leave me alone" whenever you mess up and they exploit it. It's his fault, he shouldn't have slept around while Coleen was preggers. He has to live with the consequences. I have no sympathy for him.

[Cyn]

You're on for a tough game tonight I reckon.

[Demiant]

You're on for a tough game tonight I reckon.
I agree, I reckon we'll get a draw at best. I can see us losing though.

[three3-times]

im hpoing to see a mid of ando, fletch and carrick. they can keep poession and protect rio and vida. hope josh aint playing though

[Tutankhamun]

I think we will win it, who does Valencia have these days that are some kind of treat.

[three3-times]

mata. but they are doing well atm and are top of la liga, which is a shock seeing as they sold villa and silva. they seem to b more of a UNIT now

tough night

[Tutankhamun]

La liga is worse then the PL though. Will be interesting to see our future(?) GK.

[Cyn]

They actually look better this season than they did last season, even after losing their best 2 players.


La liga is worse then the PL though. Will be interesting to see our future(?) GK.
That may be so in a broad sense but it's a bit more complicated. The English top 4 are all better than the Spanish 3rd-5th teams, but their chasing pack is better than ours - Valencia, Atl Madrid and Sevilla (when they get their act together) are all better than Villa, Everton and probably still Spurs.

[LC77]

I think a few weeks off is exactly what he needs. And although I like the guy and he's one of my favourite current footballers, he's brought it upon himself. You can't go out and seek the limelight and then say "No, f*ck off and leave me alone" whenever you mess up and they exploit it. It's his fault, he shouldn't have slept around while Coleen was preggers. He has to live with the consequences. I have no sympathy for him.

I agree he brought it upon himself, but the way the media are having a go is beyond funny. He made mistakes, but to continue camping outside his house, is not really necessary for him or his family.

Wonder if they're camping outside that other PL footballer actually accused of a crime?

I'm just pleased that his injury/holiday will deny England his services for the next qualifiers.

And hopefully Keegan's beloved England will fail. And then he can come out and blame Rooney for not playing. :snicker

[manutdfan]

La liga is worse then the PL though. Will be interesting to see our future(?) GK.

Wrong team Tut, he was watching Ath Madrid keeper De Gea

[Tutankhamun]

Wrong team Tut, he was watching Ath Madrid keeper De Gea

There you have a demonstration of my knowledge about Spanish football.

[TommyFewty]

If you think youll walk over Valencia at the Mestalla then barring total downfall you should be a bit misguided. There much more of a team, players like Aduriz and Soldado have filled Villas boots so far and strengthened with Topal, Tino Costa, Feghouli. Just there defence that looks shaky though its been good this year and Cesars been immense in goal. Unai and Juan Manuel to keep up there good form please.

[StaticAge]

Not confirmed but hearing #MUFC team: VDS; Rafael, Rio, Vidic, Evra; Fletcher, Carrick, Anderson; Nani, Park; BerbatovI hope so http://images.psu.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fimg833.imageshack.us%2Fimg833%2F6 428%2Fdrool.gif (http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/6428/drool.gif)

EDIT: It's confirmed now :D

[Tutankhamun]

Bah Berba alone upfront rather see him with Owen or Macheda/Hernadez.

[Demiant]

Rafael's finally getting a start, that's about all the good news in the lineup. Like I said earlier, I'm not confident having a 3-man mid with 2 players who've barely played the past few months. Also, like Tut said, Berbs should be associated with another striker. We have so many to spare, why bother if we're only gonna play 1 up front whenever Rooney's out. Just silly. And Park as a LW... just friggin' dandy. Having him there when we have 2 strikers and an attacking winger, I get... but when our only attacking threat is Berbs & Nani... just rage. Oh and we have no wingers on our bench. Just dandy. Bit harsh but I'm kind of hoping Park picks up a little knock (only minor one that'll keep him out for like 2 weeks), just so we can see Bebe/Obertan get some game time.

Anyhoo, my prediction is 2-1 Valencia. Really hoping I eat my words though.

[Tutankhamun]

I would have preferred two strikers but I'm going to stay positive! I think we can do it, Glory Glory Man United!!

[santinomarella]

Don't forget Berbatov was up front on his own at Everton and done very well, it was only a defensive calamity in the final few minutes that prevented the win there.

A draw would be a decent result tonight, not because were not playing at our best, because Valencia are.

[three3-times]

im hpoing to see a mid of ando, fletch and carrick. they can keep poession and protect rio and vida. hope josh aint playing though

i was right, that is our best team atm

[Tutankhamun]

This is what I have to say about the first 44':

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[santinomarella]

Quite an interesting game so far, if we could stop giving the ball away so damn much we might be able to create a few chances.

Pleased with Anderson, Nani, Rafael and Berbs so far.

[Demiant]

Can we just get rid of Park please. Just keep paying his wages, I don't care... so long as he never steps foot on a pitch for us.

[Tutankhamun]

Seriously was I the only one that nearly feel asleep during that?

[Wiggy_]

This is what I have to say about the first 44':

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Got to agree, Been pretty boring so far IMO..

[Demiant]

It's us, in Europe. We're not extravagant anymore. Rangers was hardly a thrilling encounter, was it?

[Wiggy_]

I fell asleep watching the rangers game, Couldn't tell you.. lol

[santinomarella]

As long as we get the job done that's all that matters.

In my opinion Rafael has already shown he's deserves to be our 1st choice Rb lol.

[dc89]

United have been under the cosh for the last 10 minutes or so! That Rio sliding interception was crucial or you'd be 1-0 down right now.

Valencia carry on banging the door down as I write this.

Don't forget. City beat these 2-0 easily pre-season.

[three3-times]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[StaticAge]

Hernandezzzzzzzz!

[three3-times]

Little pea!!!!!!!!!!!!

[dc89]

I hate that guy lol.

[three3-times]

This is not a ****ing smash and grab! Stfu clive

[santinomarella]

Chicharitooooo!

[Tutankhamun]

Macheda and Hernadez putting a smile on my face! What a play!

[dc89]

That is a smash and grab if I ever saw one.

WTF at him kissing the badge lol. He's not been there 5 minutes!

[three3-times]

if rafa isnt our 1st choice rb from now on......................f u fergie

a smash and grab is getting battered all game, valencia have done nothing apart from put a few good crosses in.

[santinomarella]

YES!

Away win! clean sheet away from home! and 3 points in toughest game of the group!

6 points home and away against that other team who's name has eluded me and were basically through!

As I just heard Fletcher say, ****ing brilliant!

Oh yeah and Rafael MOTM, great game from him!

[Tutankhamun]

Got to say, Macheda makes **** happen in pressure situations. He's going to be very good for us!

[three3-times]

YES!

Away win! clean sheet away from home! and 3 points in toughest game of the group!

6 points home and away against that other team who's name has eluded me and were basically through!

As I just heard Fletcher say, ****ing brilliant!

Oh yeah and Rafael MOTM, great game from him!

he was talking to lil pea!!!

clean sheet to, WITH RIO, coincidence? i think not

rafa, mom

[Aizen-Sama]

Oh my god what a win!!! Smash and grab indeed.

I love Macheada and Hernandez :D

My man of the match is Rafael. Cleared pretty much every single ball that came his way and let know one past him today.

Edit: seems like I'm not the only one who noticed Rafael's excellent performance :)

[Demiant]

Bit of a smash & grab tbh. We were crap all game with 1 up top, as soon as we go 2 up top we score within a few minutes. Rafael was my MotM.

[manutdfan]

Chicho!!!!!!!!!!! Quality goal took it very well. Good ball from Kiko.

Great win from toughest game of the group. Defence looked a lot more assured with Ferdy and Vida. Rafael had a good solid game also.

Anderson looked good aswell.

[Tutankhamun]

Rafeal looked like the RB we all know he can and will be! Nice to see we finally have a worthwhile replacement to Neville.

[Aizen-Sama]

Feels good to beat the current number 1 team in Spain on there own home turf.

Looking forward to the return leg at OT when there will be a lot more on stake.

[manutdfan]

There you have a demonstration of my knowledge about Spanish football.

Yeah lol, we wouldn't want Valencias keeper he's older than Edwin.

[StaticAge]

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3758/1285793654952.gif

[santinomarella]

:lol: :lol: Awesome.

[Suley]

Hernandez is awesome and so is Rafael.

[manutdfan]

Hernandez is awesome and so is Rafael.

Yep two quality youngsters.

[yourmumsface17]

Thought Anderson was fantastic. I thought tactically we were pretty good defended well and got a late goal.. like well most of our away games in europe :p

Rafael, Hernandez get a special mention to, and good ball from Macheda for the goal.

Nani is getting more and more confidence from me.

[Metal Warrior]

Brilliant win. Not the manner in which we won, but the fact we overcame our struggling away form to get a win from a very tricky place. It's also nice to see a return of the later winner, in stead of conceding late goals. Suddenly we're a lot more comfortable in our group as well.

[R3D D3V!L]

That is a smash and grab if I ever saw one.

WTF at him kissing the badge lol. He's not been there 5 minutes!

Well unlike most of the mercenaries that play for City, he isn't playing for United only because of money.

[Demiant]

Also the guy's loved United since his childhood, we were his favourite team (glory hunter but still he loved us), and I remember an article where he said he used to play as United in PES and dreamt of actually playing for us.

[LC77]

As for the badge kissing, shame Gary Neville wasn't on the pitch.

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And its the camera lens kissing I find a little perverted.

[santinomarella]

Yesterday would have been Duncan Edwards 74th birthday.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr75rgusNJU&feature=player_embedded

[StaticAge]

It's so sad :(

[Tutankhamun]

Macheda will be loaned to Lazio in January and they have an option to buy him, why the **** would we sell? Stupid move from us.


Manchester United striker to join Lazio in January

Manchester United striker Federico Macheda is set to rejoin Lazio on loan in January.

And the Italians will also have the option to make the move permanent at the end of the season, according to reports in Italian newspaper La Gazzetta dello Sport.

Macheda has struggled to break into Sir Alex Ferguson's first team plans, and the move is designed to gain the player regular first team experience.

The youngster is also reportedly keen to move back to the hometown club from which he joined Manchester United in 2007.

Source (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Manchester-United-striker-Federico-Macheda-to-join-Lazio-in-January-article592881.html)

[Demiant]

Lineup:

VDS, O'Shea, Vidic, Ferdinand, Rafael, Fletcher, Anderson, Scholes, Nani, Macheda, Owen.

Bench: Evra, Berbatov, Smalling, Chicharito, Gibson, Kuszczak, Bebe

I'm seriously baffled. Evra & Berbatov on bench, and Chicha scores against Valencia yet doesn't get a start. I don't know if we're playing 433 with Mach or Owen on the left or 442 with Fletcher or Anderson on the wings.

EDIT: Tut, I wouldn't trust Mirror Football tbh, they're also reporting Owen's going back to Liverpool next season.

[santinomarella]

Interesting lineup, I guess some players are not 100% after the Valencia game.

[Tutankhamun]

EDIT: Tut, I wouldn't trust Mirror Football tbh, they're also reporting Owen's going back to Liverpool next season.

A lot of sites is reporting it, so its true :( Don't know how SAF plans to win anything if we can't buy players and were getting rid of our prospects.

[santinomarella]

Just because a lot of sites are reporting it does not mean it's true, when it's officially confirmed by the club then it's true.

KO delayed by 20 mins, burst pipe in our dressing room :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

wth how often does that happen :lol: Now what to do for 20-minutes.

[Phaded]

The fact that Macheda is starting ahead of Hernandez and Berbatov today show's his belief in the lad, he's not going anywhere.

Should of played Hernandez instead of Owen though imo...

[Tutankhamun]

Could we be playing any worse?

[Firefox]

Sunderland playing brilliantly but they needed to score before the half.. pep talk from Ferguson and I expect Sunderland to crumble after the half.

edit: I guess I was wrong.. well played by Sunderland. Ferguson was just so pissed with the amount of extra time. :lol:

[Phaded]

I'm 21, ever since i've been old enough to watch United play I don't think i've ever seen them play worse, that was a complete ****ing disgrace

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah this was beyond bad, I thought we were bad against Valencia but this was a whole other level. We should be glad to get one point.

[John25]

But in Far more important News the Mighty Everton gave Birmingham their first lose at St Andrews for over a year today with a 2-0 WIN :P

oh and Put the Kopites in the relegation Zone.

[Firefox]

But in Far more important News the Mighty Everton gave Birmingham their first lose at St Andrews for over a year today with a 2-0 WIN :P

oh and Put the Kopites in the relegation Zone.

Would be a moment in History if you are to finish above them. :p

[Suley]

But in Far more important News the Mighty Everton gave Birmingham their first lose at St Andrews for over a year today with a 2-0 WIN :P

oh and Put the Kopites in the relegation Zone.

F*ck off! ;)

[dc89]

SAF is really ignorant if he comes out and says he is still happy with the squad?

Oh wait, I just heard him say that on the radio. Yup he's ignorant.

United need to turn it round and fast! You may just get a taster of things to come tomorrow...

[John25]

Would be a moment in History if you are to finish above them. :p

not really as we finished above them a few seasons back when we qualified for the CL and they finished 5th But won the CL that year

[John25]

SAF is really ignorant if he comes out and says he is still happy with the squad?

Oh wait, I just heard him say that on the radio. Yup he's ignorant.

United need to turn it round and fast! You may just get a taster of things to come tomorrow...

What when Citeh get spanked By Drogba tomorrow :P

j/k should be a cracker gonna watch it on Sky player tomorrow. What times Kick off

[dc89]

Erm City played Chelsea last week, made Chelsea look average and beat them pretty easily 1-0. We play Newcastle tomorrow and it's on ESPN.

Seriously though, all Sunderland did was stop Scholes. It shows if you stop Scholes, United have no plan B.

[John25]

Erm City played Chelsea last week, made Chelsea look average and beat them pretty easily 1-0. We play Newcastle tomorrow and it's on ESPN.

Seriously though, all Sunderland did was stop Scholes. It shows if you stop Scholes, United have no plan B.


oh %^&* (*self facepalm*) oh well fully expect a city win But you never know carrols been playin really well and aresenal got tonked by WBA last week so a geordie win is not out of the question.

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex Ferguson satisfied with a point at Sunderland

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson said he was satisfied with the point earned at Sunderland on Saturday.
Ferguson's men were second best during the game at the Stadium of Light but put in a strong defensive display to deny Sunderland and clinch a 0-0 draw.
"We had to defend very well and the pleasing thing for me is that the back four were fantastic," said Ferguson.
"The consistency of not losing is something we can take. I am not pleased but I am satisfied."
The result means Manchester United have now drawn all four of their away games in the Premier League this season.

However, this is the first clean sheet they have kept on the road and differs from their displays at Fulham and Everton earlier in the season, where they conceded late goals to throw away potential victories.
"Sunderland had the most chances in the game and I have to say we were fantastic defensively," added Ferguson.
"That's the area in which we have been leaking goals and throwing games away this season, so I am pleased with that.
"It was a very determined Sunderland team, their home record this season has been very, very good."
Asked about his side's failure to date to win a league game on the road, Ferguson said: "It's a concern, the first three.
"I can't class today's as a disappointment because we had to battle to get the point today. But we have thrown the other three away."

United came into Saturday's game having battled to a hard-fought 1-0 victory over Valencia in the Champions League on Wednesday.
Ferguson opted to make four changes from that side, the most notable of which saw Michael Owen and Federico Macheda start up front, with Dimitar Berbatov dropped to the bench, where he was joined by Patrice Evra.
United were also missing Wayne Rooney, who was not risked despite the striker declaring himself fit following an ankle injury.
Kick off at the Stadium of Light was delayed by 20 minutes because of a burst water pipe in the away dressing room, and when the game did eventually start, United immediately found themselves stemming the home tide.
Sunderland completely dominated the first half and would have been ahead at half time if Steed Malbranque had finished better when through on goal or had Bolo Zenden's shot not hit the post.

While United's defence - containing the recently reunited centre-back pairing of Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidic - held firm, their attack offered little.
It was only after Berbatov replaced Owen at half-time that United threatened, with the Bulgarian firing their best effort wide with 15 minutes to go.
"We had no attacking purpose in the first 25 minutes of the match," admitted Ferguson.
"It wasn't until towards the end of the first half that we got any semblance of keeping possession of the ball.
"In the second half we did a lot better, there was more threat by us, but they had chances from set-pieces."
The game completes a particularly difficult start to the season for Sunderland, who have taken eight points from games against Manchester City, Arsenal and Liverpool in recent weeks.
"I'm delighted for the players and the way they played," said Black Cats boss Steve Bruce.

"We've had an horrific run in terms of who we have played against. I think this is the hardest eight points we've ever earned.
"We had a big chance with Steed and he knows it because he's devastated. I think he thought he was offside and that was the problem.
"You need to take those kind of chances when you are on top because you're always worried you will get punished.
"But overall I'm delighted with how we've played against the top teams and Manchester United certainly fit into that category."
The result means Sunderland have not recorded a win over Manchester United in 18 attempts and extends Bruce's own winless managerial streak against the club he represented as a player to 16 matches.
"It was close last year - a minute away - and today. It's always a good time to get the big boys, when they've just played in the Champions League."

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9054972.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

I don't know what to think.

[Metal Warrior]

This was exceptionally poor stuff. Our away performances are diabolical. We need to sort it out fast, but I'm not expecting anything. The worst part is we're now watching a team that's more boring than Chelsea have ever been. Maybe I could take these poor results if we actually tried to play some good football, but we're just Bolton in disguise.

[Phaded]

Thought the team selection was diabolical as well, we had no left winger, I noticed Vidic going down the left wing a couple of times what the **** was that about, Owen and Macheda upfront? as soon as Berba came on we had some presence and then when Hernandez came on something looked like it may of happened. Whenever Rooney isn't fit it should be Berba and Chicha upfront all the time no pissing about bring the other 2 on as sub's if needed but that's it.

[Firefox]

not really as we finished above them a few seasons back when we qualified for the CL and they finished 5th But won the CL that year

Once in a blue moon still. :p

[Cyn]

Your squad has been horribly average since last summer, it's only now starting to kick in because you no longer have the fear factor that comes with being champions.

Though you do still have the Ferguson factor so you will be there or thereabouts come May.

Also Rooney dragged you kicking and screaming through so many games last season, obviously that isn't the case right now.

[John25]

Once in a blue moon still. :p

could easily say that about the gunners and a League title :P j/k mate

[Tutankhamun]

I always liked that Man Utd don't accept anything but a win, a little sad for me to read that Fergie is satisfied with the result tbh. For me its about winning.

[Demiant]

The rest of you may remain optimistic but the more games we play, the more I'm certain we're definitely not winning the league. We were lucky to get a point today, very lucky. And the pathetic part was there were moments in added time where we were time wasting...

But no, you're right... we're definitely good enough to win the league. Let's just play Sunderland away (a team that beat City and drew against Arsenal & LPool), play a 451 without an actual LW but instead play an aging striker there, and leave Evra & Berbs on the bench and replace them with O'Shea & Macheda. Was Fergie hoping that Bruce would roll over and let us beat them? I can't remember the last time we played so poorly.

But yeah, completely forgot... there's no value in the market. Sneijder, Ozil, VdV... no value there whatsoever. Much rather have Gibson, he can shoot. There's a small part of me that hopes we finish outside the top 4 just so the Glazers can f*ck off but even then I'm not entirely sure they'd leave. We just look a shadow of the team we were two seasons ago. The debt and lack of strength in our squad is definitely starting to show now. It'll be even worse when Rio retires or if Vidic ever leaves cos then we get to replace them with the Evans/Smalling partnership... that'll scare your Villas & Drogbas.

[John25]

Can I ask what manager has won more titles than Fergie ?

[Tutankhamun]

Can I ask what manager has won more titles than Fergie ?

No one, but I'm a little afraid he have become to fond of certain players. It might just be were out of money but not buying anyone to strengthen the midfield have turned out be a huge mistake.

[John25]

No one, but I'm a little afraid he have become to fond of certain players. It might just be were out of money but not buying anyone to strengthen the midfield have turned out be a huge mistake.

Then you should really give the guy some slack Sure he,s had a few Blip moments but he has won yers countless titles and will no doubt do so again .What yiu guy';s need to realise is more and more of the So called big clubs are coming into money so no doubt it';s it's going to effect you're title hope's So IMO it's the Glaziers who you should be blaming and not fergie

[Cyn]

Winning teams go in cycles, it is the way it has always been. Your recent cycle was very productive and you have been lucky in that you have been dominant in the PL era, punctuated by a few Arsenal and Chelsea stints at the top. But that Cycle ended with the departure of Ronaldo and Tevez and given your financial situation it's difficult to see where you'll pick it up again. But you will eventually, and that is the point - everyone has their time. You've had such dominance that some of you probably don't know what it's like to be an also-rans. Might be time to dig in and learn; you'll be better fans for it.

[santinomarella]

It'll be even worse when Rio retires or if Vidic ever leaves cos then we get to replace them with the Evans/Smalling partnership... that'll scare your Villas & Drogbas.

Why are you judging Smalling and Evans qualities 3 or 4 years down the line?

You've expressed yourself how much you admire Evans, so are you now saying after a few bad games he will not improve into a top quality player for us? and what exactly has Smalling done so far to make you think he will not continue to progress into one of the top CB's in England?

We may not have money and if away form continues like this we may not go on to win anything this year but how does that prevent players developing into top stars? If we were like Man City paying what ever we feel like paying for over rated players then chances are the younger prospects at the club would not get the chance to become stars.

[Tutankhamun]

I understand you can't win them all I don't have a problem with that. I do however feel you should never be satisfied after not winning that's what makes me nervous. In my world if you don't win you should be annoyed and try to figure out what went wrong.

[StaticAge]

I would have liked Berba and Chicho to start. We look instantly better when Berba came on.

Oh well, for the positives we have more points this season so far than we got from the same fixtures the last two seasons. Rio and Anderson are back, hopefully they will use the international break to train and get back to their best (Although Rio since coming back has been good IMO, and Anderson was good against Valencia) :) And hopefully Rooney will come back better than he has been.

[Demiant]

Winning teams go in cycles, it is the way it has always been. Your recent cycle was very productive and you have been lucky in that you have been dominant in the PL era, punctuated by a few Arsenal and Chelsea stints at the top. But that Cycle ended with the departure of Ronaldo and Tevez and given your financial situation it's difficult to see where you'll pick it up again. But you will eventually, and that is the point - everyone has their time. You've had such dominance that some of you probably don't know what it's like to be an also-rans. Might be time to dig in and learn; you'll be better fans for it.
It's not the not-winning part, it's the not-even-deserving-to-win part. We're not playing good football, we're not getting the results, and we're getting told lies because of our owners. In the RvN days, we weren't winning much, but it wasn't like this.


Can I ask what manager has won more titles than Fergie ?
It's not Fergie my post is directed at.


Why are you judging Smalling and Evans qualities 3 or 4 years down the line?

You've expressed yourself how much you admire Evans, so are you now saying after a few bad games he will not improve into a top quality player for us? and what exactly has Smalling done so far to make you think he will not continue to progress into one of the top CB's in England?

We may not have money and if away form continues like this we may not go on to win anything this year but how does that prevent players developing into top stars? If we were like Man City paying what ever we feel like paying for over rated players then chances are the younger prospects at the club would not get the chance to become stars.
3-4 years, ok they might be good. Next year though, if we have a poo season Vidic might be off. Also keep in mind that Rio only plays half our games now. That means hypothetically if we lose Vidic for next season, the majority of the time our CB pairing would be Evans/Smalling... which wouldn't be good enough. And don't even go on about the "But but but... Vidic just signed a new contract, he won't leave" because we both know that means nothing in modern football.

I'm all for developing youth. I'm not for giving youth a few crap years in the first team to wait for them to become half decent.

Do you also believe O'Shea is good enough to start our games? Park/Giggs are good enough to be our LWs? Or that Scholes will play until he's 40 so there's no need to buy another mid? Or that Hargreaves will come back in a month or two like he's meant to have been for the past year and a half so there's no need to buy a new DM?


I would have liked Berba and Chicho to start. We look instantly better when Berba came on.

Oh well, for the positives we have more points this season so far than we got from the same fixtures the last two seasons. Rio and Anderson are back, hopefully they will use the international break to get train and get back to their best (Although Rio since coming back has been good IMO, and Anderson was good against Valencia) :) And hopefully Rooney will come back better than he has been.
I agree, against Fulham it didn't bother me much but against Everton we never should have dropped the 2-goal lead. And we should have played a lot better against Sunderland rather than play on the counter. And bear in mind we beat them 1-0 last year at the SoL. So in those 3 fixtures that's 3 points this season compared to 3 points last season... so not more, just equal.

[santinomarella]

Do you also believe O'Shea is good enough to start our games? Park/Giggs are good enough to be our LWs? Or that Scholes will play until he's 40 so there's no need to buy another mid? Or that Hargreaves will come back in a month or two like he's meant to have been for the past year and a half so there's no need to buy a new DM?

I never said there's no need to spend, we do need to especially in the midfield area, I was just questioning what seemed your lack of belief in Evans and Smalling when in the past I have seem you very confident with Evans.

But as you ask, no I don't believe O'Shea should be playing at RB, over the years he has done at fine job at filling in, in all nearly all positions on the pitch. Right now Rafael has to be 1st choice RB and that statement is backed up even more from his performance against Valencia.

Park is capable of putting in great performances but unfortunately is not consistent enough and Giggs is no where near the winger he once was. After a summer of saying our options on the wings are fine I struggle to say with confidence who should be playing there. Ferguson did say recently when Scholes, Giggs and Neville retire he may have to spend big to replace them. I know we have financial concerns but those concerns were still there before we paid 7 million for a former homeless guy who Ferguson had never seen play.

Just have to hope that Hargreaves can return to the player he once was when he finally returns.

[John25]

@Demiant my post was'nt Directed at you I was just asking in general

[yourmumsface17]

^^^ That's a good shout.

Hargo had some good games at RM (i.e. Champ League final) and with our lack of options on the wings Hargo right Nani left could work this would also take Hargo out the centre of the pitch where he is likely to get hurt.

But Hargo..playing again.. I am dreaming *sigh*

[dc89]

Once in a blue moon still. :p

Blue Moon!
You saw me standing alone.
Without a dream in my heart.
Without a love of my own.

[LC77]

Performances of late have been awful, and its been going on for a long time. Even during the Ronaldo days, he helped paper over the cracks at United that are now starting to show bigtime.

I swear as Fergie gets older he seems to becoming more Italian. Settling for draws, and a bigger shock sending teams out to play anti-football. His teams seem to be full of runners nowadays, with zero quality and imagination.

In fact you know its bad when an Italian manager with Chelsea, actually plays a more attractive style of football.... when did I slip into this alternate universe? :snicker

I believe the slow season tickets sales, might be due to the lack of entertainment at OT more than the anti Glazer campaign.

On a brighter note at least they didn't lose to Sunderland, unliike Merc City! And the soap dodgers are in the bottom three!

[dc89]

City above United in the league.

Get used to it fella's!

Blue moon rising! Tick Tock.

[santinomarella]

City above United in the league.

Get used to it fella's!

Blue moon rising! Tick Tock.

Last time that happened we won the league. :D

[dc89]

Yeah back in 2008. I think things are very different now though.

[LC77]

City above United in the league.

Get used to it fella's!

Blue moon rising! Tick Tock.

In the words of Jim Royle, blue moon rising. :lol:

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Still its good to see City above United, because if that doesn't get a response from the United players, nothing ever will.

Oh, and Carrick wants to stay at United for the rest of his career.... bit worrying he was Valencia's best player last week.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6424055,00.html

[santinomarella]

Some quotes from Adam Johnson that amused me.


I grew up supporting Newcastle and David Ginola and players like that.

http://www.sportinglife.com/football/premiership/newcastle/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=soccer/10/10/02/SOCCER_Man_City_Johnson.html&TEAMHD=newcastle&DIV=prem&TEAM=NEWCASTLE&RH=Newcastle&PREV_SEASON=


I grew up supporting Manchester United, mainly because of Giggsy.

http://fourfourtwo.com/interviews/boysabitspecial/112/article.aspx

:lol:

[John25]

Blackpool 2-0 up @ HT lol

[Tutankhamun]

Blackpool 2-0 up @ HT lol

Against the poolboys?

[John25]

Against the poolboys?

yer against the Kopites.

[Tutankhamun]

Wow I thought we we're bad.

[R3D D3V!L]

Blackpool 2-0 up @ HT lol

Liverpool could go down. I'm not joking.

[santinomarella]

Wow I thought we we're bad.

Playing bad and still in top 3 in a hell of a lot better than playing bad and being in the bottom 3 :snicker

Makes us appreciate how well we have started really lol.

[Tutankhamun]

Playing bad and still in top 3 in a hell of a lot better than playing bad and being in the bottom 3 :snicker

Oh hell yes, time to stop complaining about our campaign I think.

[John25]

Liverpool could go down. I'm not joking.

Don't Be building my hopes up :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

I bet they will buy some quality players in January and make the middle of the table.

[R3D D3V!L]

I bet they will buy some quality players in January and make the middle of the table.

When he has like £4 to spend.

[Tutankhamun]

When he has like £4 to spend.

Can probably find another shemale ;)

[John25]

Apparently Liverpool are making Blackpool look like BARCA hahaha :P

[bigdec]

Apparently Liverpool are making Blackpool look like BARCA hahaha :P

How dare you insult Blackpool like that. :lol: ;)

[StaticAge]

Liverpool lost?! :lol:

[three3-times]

we r fighting citeh for 2nd. we wont be winning back nothing this year

[StaticAge]

http://images.psu.com/index.php?size=full&src=http%3A%2F%2Fimg64.imageshack.us%2Fimg64%2F518 8%2Fcoolstorybroh.jpg (http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5188/coolstorybroh.jpg)

[dc89]

Naturally, I'm going to say this, but City are a force now.

Yes you may say that the team hasn't gelled yet! And I agree. But the scary thing is we can still muck in when we have our backs against the wall and turn games around and go on to win. We can still make Chelsea look poor and coast past Liverpool.

Just you wait until the team look at each other and start to believe in one another.

On a side note in my football game tonight my team won. I scored a good goal and made some key sliding tackles. All in my Tevez shirt <3. It galvanises me.

[R3D D3V!L]

Naturally, I'm going to say this, but City are a force now.

Yes you may say that the team hasn't gelled yet! And I agree. But the scary thing is we can still muck in when we have our backs against the wall and turn games around and go on to win. We can still make Chelsea look poor and coast past Liverpool.

Just you wait until the team look at each other and start to believe in one another.

On a side note in my football game tonight my team won. I scored a good goal and made some key sliding tackles. All in my Tevez shirt <3. It galvanises me.

I'll say one thing. How Gareth Barry plays for England I will never know. He's proper ****e.

[Demiant]

Naturally, I'm going to say this, but City are a force now.

Yes you may say that the team hasn't gelled yet! And I agree. But the scary thing is we can still muck in when we have our backs against the wall and turn games around and go on to win. We can still make Chelsea look poor and coast past Liverpool.

Just you wait until the team look at each other and start to believe in one another.

On a side note in my football game tonight my team won. I scored a good goal and made some key sliding tackles. All in my Tevez shirt <3. It galvanises me.
You're a force because the same team that we comfortably beat 3-0 you only beat 2-1 because of good ol' Atkinson? Personally I don't care if the ref won you the game, it happens, but don't come here and say you're a force after that... just making yourself look silly. You've looked good against Liverpool & Chelsea, I'll give you that. Your players lack a lot of motivation against poorer sides. I still think Chelsea will win the league by atleast 6-7 points if not more.

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United track Anders Lindegaard as Van der Sar's successor
• Eric Steele travels to Norway to watch Lindegaard play
• United believed to have expressed interest to Aalesunds

Manchester United have identified the Denmark international Anders Lindegaard as a contender to take over in goal from Edwin van der Sar if, as expected, the Dutchman announces his retirement at the end of the season.

Eric Steele, United's goalkeeping coach, travelled to Norway last night to watch Lindegaard in action for Aalesunds against Stabaeck. His team lost 2-1 but the 26-year-old received praise for his performance, in keeping with a growing reputation as the best goalkeeper in Scandinavia.

This was the fifth time Steele has been to see Lindegaard and it is understood United have also made preliminary contact with Aalesunds. A number of other clubs have also expressed an interest, with Lindegaard showing the kind of consistent form for Aalesunds that he rarely demonstrated during six years largely as a reserve at his previous club Odense. He moved to Norway last year, initially on loan, but was so impressive he was offered a three-year deal.

United's need for a new goalkeeper is regarded as a priority at Old Trafford, with the 39-year-old Van der Sar widely thought to be in the final year of his professional life. Ben Foster was sold to Birmingham City in the summer and Sir Alex Ferguson has misgivings about the second-choice goalkeeper, Tomasz Kuszczak.

David de Gea, the Spain Under-21 international, has also come to the attention of United after his performances for Atlético Madrid in La Liga. Ferguson recently took Steele on a spying mission to watch De Gea play against Valencia, United's Champions League opponents.

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/04/manchester-united-anders-lindegaard-goalkeeper)

Will be interesting to see who they go for.

[dc89]

I'll say one thing. How Gareth Barry plays for England I will never know. He's proper ****e.

He can pass the ball well.

[santinomarella]

Berbatov won player of the month! :D

[R3D D3V!L]

He can pass the ball well.

A broken clock is right twice a day.

[Tutankhamun]

NEW DEAL ON HOLD AS ROO ADMITS: I'M HURTING

WAYNE ROONEY'S contract talks have been put on ice while he recovers from the controversy surrounding his private life.

The Manchester United striker had agreed a new five-year deal in principle before the World Cup but a formal announcement about his future has yet to be made.

Rooney is expected to be offered a deal worth £150,000-a -week and United insist there are no problems on either side - despite Rooney having just 18 months left on his current £90,000-a-week contract.

Rooney, 24, has suffered a dismal start to the season. He has scored just once, a penalty against West Ham, so far in six games for United. And yesterday Rooney admitted he has been 'hurt' by the sex scandal that has left him fighting to save his marriage.

He has suffered an alarming loss of form since lurid details emerged of his fling with a prostitute.

United boss Sir Alex Ferguson left him out of yesterday's Premier League trip to Sunderland, insisting his England striker has an ankle injury.

But United No.2 Mike Phelan conceded Rooney is struggling to cope with all the attention, claiming he "was not in the right frame of mind" to play against Everton last month.

Speaking about his personal nightmare for the first time, Rooney confessed: "I'm only a human being, I hurt as well.

"But I need to get through this and get back to playing football the way I know I can. I'm sure everything will settle down after that."

When asked whether his personal problems had affected performances on the pitch, Rooney added: "I can't say 'Yes' and I can't say 'No.' It's obviously been a hard time, but I need to try to get back to doing what I do best and playing football the way I can."

Rooney looked a shadow of the man who had terrorised the Premier League all season, scoring a whopping 35 goals.

He failed to find the net in South Africa as England crashed out to Germany in the first knockout stage. However, when asked if his private life had affected his performances, Rooney replied: "No, not at all. I think I was fine. I was in the right state of mind.

"And there was nothing physically wrong with me, I just can't see why I didn't perform and it still puzzles me.

"It's always going to be a mystery to me why I didn't perform - not even to half the performance levels I can reach.

"I prepared well for it, we prepared well as a team but once we got on the pitch it just didn't click.

"To this day it still puzzles me. I can't really say I wasn't fit as I trained every session with the team before the games.

"But it was a poor World Cup.

"It's frustrating and disappointing.

"You try and forget it and move on, but it is difficult. You're at the biggest tournament in the world, you want to express yourself, do well for the team, and we didn't do that. I didn't do that, so it's hard to take." Rooney refused to blame the controversial Jabulani official World Cup ball.

In the interview broadcast yesterday on Sky Sports News HD to promote EA Sports' new FIFA 11 video game, Rooney added: "I'm not using the ball as an excuse. But it wasn't up to the standards to be the World Cup ball. It wasn't great, but we had to deal with that.

"I could feel I wasn't playing well and sometimes then you try to do too much.

"Once that happens in a couple of games, you're thinking: 'Am I going to play well? Am I going to score a goal?'

"And it sort of drags on, but I'm extremely disappointed with it and I'm sure the whole of the country is.

"We need to do well in the European Championship qualifiers and try to put it right there. But until that happens, it's always going to be there in your mind." Rooney missed his fifth game of the season yesterday - the fourth since the sex scandal revelations broke.

The official reason for his absence from the last two games is an ankle injury he suffered in the Champions League draw with Rangers.

But Rooney insisted he is fit and is raring to play for England in the Euro 2012 qualifier against Montenegro at Wembley a week on Tuesday.

"I'm 100 per cent fit to play for England and hopefully Fabio Capello plays me," he said.

"I trained today, but the manager feels I'm not quite ready for the Sunderland game, which I've got to respect.

"I know top players have dips in form, it's natural, so this is my time. I just hope I can get it right as soon as possible.

"Maybe I need to be more aggressive, maybe that aggressive streak has gone.

"It's something I need in my game and something which has been missing in recent games. And I know one goal could change all of that."

Source (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/1014667/NEW-DEAL-ON-HOLD-AS-ROO-ADMITS-IM-HURTING.html)

If United is thinking about renewing his contract or not this club has officially lost it.

[Metal Warrior]

Source (http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/1014667/NEW-DEAL-ON-HOLD-AS-ROO-ADMITS-IM-HURTING.html)

If United is thinking about renewing his contract or not this club has officially lost it.

Have you actually read it? News of the World in a "making up a completely wild title that has nothing to do with the actual quotes" shocker.

[santinomarella]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't he still have 2 years left on his current deal? He could sign a 10 year deal in a months time and still potentially leave after completing 1 year of it.

[Tutankhamun]

He has 18-months left I think, United players of importance usually gets a new contract when there's 24-months left. He could request a transfer at anytime but we would get more money if he had signed a new contract. And I do believe when you sign a new contract that's the one that counts not the old one.

[three3-times]

Wazza will never leave us. dont be silly. even when Jose takes over (which he will) he wont leave

[Tutankhamun]

I hope you're right bro, I really do.

[LC77]

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/04/manchester-united-anders-lindegaard-goalkeeper)

Will be interesting to see who they go for.

Probably the cheapest option. :lol:

And my guess, De Gea will move to Barcelona.

[santinomarella]

Sir Alex Ferguson, Roy Keane and Solskjaer are all in the top 10 richest managers list!

For the players Beckham, Owen, Rio, Giggs and Rooney are in the top 10.

The Glazers are also 9th place on the richest owners list. :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

Sir Alex Ferguson calls for Manchester United to be more ruthless

Sir Alex Ferguson has accused his Manchester United players of not being ruthless enough this season. United slipped five points behind champions Chelsea in the Premier League at the weekend following a goalless draw at Sunderland.

But it is the points dropped in draws at Fulham, Everton and Bolton that have most irked their manager. "This present team doesn't kill off sides as well as they should," Ferguson told the club's official magazine, Inside United. "At Goodison, we had three or four chances at 3-1 to really put the game out of sight, but we were wasteful and ultimately paid the price.

"We threw away two goals in injury time. That's unthinkable. That killer instinct just isn't there at the moment and it's something we need to develop. We haven't had a problem scoring goals. We got three against Liverpool, Everton and West Ham, two away at Fulham, three in the Community Shield; that suggests we don't have difficulty finding the net.

"What we're not doing, though, is killing teams off. I have no doubt the players have taken these setbacks on board. They suffer just as much – if not more – than the rest of us. They're the ones throwing the points away and they're the ones who know fine well that they're good enough to win this league."

United have been criticised for some of their performances this season but Ferguson believes much of it has been unfair. "We're playing well, and perhaps those four points we have dropped away from home at Fulham and Everton have given off something of a false impression," he said. "Nevertheless, we didn't like letting those points slip away and it's crucial that we don't make too many more similar mistakes this season."

Ferguson also claimed that Chelsea have had such an easy start to the season that they should have won every game. "Liverpool, Arsenal and ourselves have all played top sides early on. Chelsea's sterner tests are still to come."

Meanwhile, Ferguson has revealed that he is likely to recall the midfielder Tom Cleverley from his loan spell at Wigan in January. The 21-year-old moved to the DW Stadium on a season-long loan in August but Ferguson believes he may be ready to challenge for a spot in the United team this season.

He said: "We'll probably bring Tom back in January. Tom's going to be a great footballer, I really like him. I've heard the fans are starting to talk about Tom, and I think they're right to do that because he could very well be the next top player to come through the ranks."

Cleverley had been expected to stay at Old Trafford this season but Ferguson had a change of heart because of the competition for places. "I felt it could be hard to give him enough football. I think five or six months on loan could really help him. He'll benefit from first-team football in the Premier League."[Emphasis added]

Cleverley, who has previously enjoyed successful loan spells with Leicester and Watford, has been limited to one Wigan appearance so far because of a knee injury.

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/06/sir-alex-ferguson-manchester-united)

Maybe Cleverly is the spark we need.

[Demiant]

Probably the cheapest option. :lol:

And my guess, De Gea will move to Barcelona.
Why? They have Valdes who was one of the best keepers in Europe last season. It'd be silly for them to go after another top GK.

[Tutankhamun]

Man Utd keeper Edwin Van der Sar tipped for retirement

Edwin van der Sar may retire at the end of the season, according to Manchester United goalkeeping coach Eric Steele.
Former Netherlands goalkeeper Van der Sar, who moved to Old Trafford from Fulham in 2005, turns 40 on 29 October.
"I think Ed has made his mind up and said this is his last year," Steele told the Manchester Evening News.
"He is a good pro and a sensible and intelligent guy. I don't think he will need myself or the manager to tell him that time has come."
However, Steele did leave the door open for Van der Sar to continuing playing beyond the end of the 2010-11 campaign and suggested that winning the FA Cup - the only domestic medal missing from his collection - could be a motivating factor.
"If he gets to Christmas and he thinks it is right to go on and the manager [Sir Alex Ferguson] thinks it is right we will make a decision," Steele added.

It is down to how he feels and performs. If he doesn't perform the manager will make the decision. Edwin will as well.

He hasn't won it [the FA Cup] and that is a big target for him.
"When we rotate our goalkeepers I think you will see Mr Van der Sar knocking on the door and asking the boss to play in the FA Cup."
United have recently been linked with a number of goalkeepers, including Gianluigi Buffon of Juventus and Ajax's Martin Stekelenburg, who are seen as potential replacements for Van der Sar.
Another United player - Dimitar Berbatov - has hinted at a timescale for his own retirement from playing, suggesting it is unlikely that he will emulate team-mates Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Gary Neville in continuing into his mid-30s.
"Me? At 35? No way!" the 29-year-old Bulgarian told Inside United. "Seriously, though, everyone is different and you have to know your body is giving you the signals to stop.
"Having been here for two seasons, I know why Giggs, Scholes, Neville have been here for so long and why they are still playing. Here they have the facilities and the coaching staff who know how to prepare you.
"Obviously you need to focus on the football and when you go home, you have to be professional and know how to live your life. I see all these things in these three guys, especially.
"They are still playing at the highest level, so I think to myself, 'Can I do that?' If not, then at least try to see how long I can play for.
"But when your body tells you, that's when you have to stop and not make a fool of yourself."

Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9070503.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

Going to be very hard finding anyone to take his shoes but we got to do it. Not finding a replacement for Schmeichel was what made us weak for many years.


Wayne Rooney is a chav, says United team-mate Federico Macheda

• Macheda makes comment while on Italy Under-21 duty
• 'Rooney is a great person, but he's a bit of a chav'

Federico Macheda may have some explaining to do on his return to Old Trafford from Italy Under-21 duty after describing his Manchester United team-mate Wayne Rooney as a "chav".

"Rooney is a really great person, he always gives me advice, but he's a bit of a coatto," Macheda told the Italian daily Gazzetta dello Sport. Coatto is a Roman slang term that is translated by online dictionary wordreference.com as "young urban working class person with vulgar and sometimes violent behaviour", but understood in the same way a "chav" would be in English.

Macheda also played down reports that he is considering a move to Lazio, saying he was keen to succeed with United. "I want to grow at Manchester, when I am older I can make decisions about what to do next," he said. "I am told that Ferguson has called me 'unsellable'. That is a very satisfying thing to hear.

"I feel more of an English footballer now, and now I speak the language with an accent that is more English than Roman. The rumours about Lazio please me, but I don't believe I'll go."

His Italy Under-21 team-mate, Vito Mannone, however, suggested that he might look to leave Arsenal if he wasn't given more first-team opportunities in the near future.

"Last year I played nine matches and Arsenal never lost with me in the team," he told Gazzetta. "They tried again with Almunia, then against Chelsea it was [Lukasz] Fabianski. It hurts not to be playing, especially when the other two aren't doing brilliantly."

Source (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/oct/07/wayne-rooney-chav-federico-macheda)

:lol:

[LC77]

Why? They have Valdes who was one of the best keepers in Europe last season. It'd be silly for them to go after another top GK.

Okay, as a United fan who would you prefer, De Gea or Valdes? For me De Gea, Valdes looks dodgy. And in a team that doesn't keep the ball as much as Barcelona, he'd be found out in no time.

I don't believe Barcelona will make the mistake of losing out on another young Spanish player. All irrelevant anyway, as United couldn't afford De Gea. :bang:

And Rooney is not a chav, he is their King. :cool:

[Firefox]

Prediction: United will land Stekelenburg. If you guys don't get him.. well we'll get him.

[Metal Warrior]

Prediction: United will land Stekelenburg. If you guys don't get him.. well we'll get him.

It's possible. He's already VdS's natural successor with Ajax and the Dutch squad, so he has the right career profile. :) I've not seen enough of him to really judge his quality though. He was alright in the World Cup wasn't he?

[Suley]

@Tut I said he was a chav before and Macheda says so as well :snicker

[Phaded]

We are almost 100% looking at De Gea as a long term replacement for Van Der Sar

http://www.as.com/recorte/20100923dasdasftb_19/C280/Ies/Alex_Ferguson_siguio_directo_partido.jpg

Here's a picture of Fergie at tha Valencia vs Atletico game, Fergie said officially he was there to scout Valencia for the upcoming Champions League match at the time which of course is mostly likely true, however I doubt our Goalkeeper Coach Eric Steele (on the left) was there to scout Valencia, he was obviously looking at De Gea

There was some pretty heavy rumblings about Sotiris Ninis towards the end of August/beginning of October to for the January transfer window, be interesting to see if Fergie still has the faith if we haven't improved much by January

[Demiant]

Okay, as a United fan who would you prefer, De Gea or Valdes? For me De Gea, Valdes looks dodgy. And in a team that doesn't keep the ball as much as Barcelona, he'd be found out in no time.

I don't believe Barcelona will make the mistake of losing out on another young Spanish player. All irrelevant anyway, as United couldn't afford De Gea. :bang:

And Rooney is not a chav, he is their King. :cool:
Valdes is in the top 5 keepers in the world atm... why would Barca shelf out the money for De Gea? Leaving either Valdes or De Gea on the bench would be silly and neither player would accept it.

[Metal Warrior]

We are almost 100% looking at De Gea as a long term replacement for Van Der Sar

http://www.as.com/recorte/20100923dasdasftb_19/C280/Ies/Alex_Ferguson_siguio_directo_partido.jpg

Here's a picture of Fergie at tha Valencia vs Atletico game, Fergie said officially he was there to scout Valencia for the upcoming Champions League match at the time which of course is mostly likely true, however I doubt our Goalkeeper Coach Eric Steele (on the left) was there to scout Valencia, he was obviously looking at De Gea

There was some pretty heavy rumblings about Sotiris Ninis towards the end of August/beginning of October to for the January transfer window, be interesting to see if Fergie still has the faith if we haven't improved much by January

Ninis is a winger isn't he? If we haven't improved much by January, it probably won't have anything to do with our wings. Obviously Valencia's injury made us weaker in that area, but we've got several young players waiting for a chance there, like Obertan, Bebe and Cleverley. Midfield and defence are the areas we should look at in January, and obviously a GK during the summer. A winger is the least pressing area I feel.

[Spider]

Silly American question here:

Me and my co-worker were reading stuff on sky, and we saw the article about Macheda talking about Roon...

Well we read another article about the subject, that said "Macheda called rooney a chav" but the first article said he called him "working class and vulgar"

Now, I don't care what he said, since im sure it is a translation error, or the press being douches... but from MY understanding of a Chav, calling rooney one is not only laughable, but don't even make sense...

Please explain :D

[John25]

Silly American question here:

Me and my co-worker were reading stuff on sky, and we saw the article about Macheda talking about Roon...

Well we read another article about the subject, that said "Macheda called rooney a chav" but the first article said he called him "working class and vulgar"

Now, I don't care what he said, since im sure it is a translation error, or the press being douches... but from MY understanding of a Chav, calling rooney one is not only laughable, but don't even make sense...

Please explain :D

you're american and a Steelers fan My words would be lost on you :P

But I think he meant it in the sense that Rooney always wears sports clothes and goof's around with Prostitutes

[StaticAge]

16:40 A number of websites pounced on comments attributed to Federico Macheda, currently on Italy U21 duty, in the Italian national press today. Several English sites claimed Kiko called Reds team-mate Wayne Rooney "vulgar and working class", but it seems it's a poor translation. Renowned and respected journalist Gabriele Marcotti cleared things up on his twitter site, saying: "I'm shocked by how badly Macheda's statements have been mistranslated. He says, "Like me, he's 'coatto'." 'Coatto' is Roman slang... basically brash, unrefined, working class kid. And Kiko says Rooney is 'coatto' like him. Both kids from working class districts in big metro areas." Doesn't seem like much of a story now, does it? (BH)

;)

[TommyFewty]

Stek and Valdes >>> De Gea right now. Much more experienced with a lot more pressure on there shoulders. Stek being at one of Europes footballing homes who are expected to win the Dutch league every year without fail and have a decent team to do it now (De Zeeuw, De Jong, El Hamdaoui and Suarez:cool:). Also top notch at the WC and been at Ajax 10 years now so ready for it. And Valdes was meh until bout 2-3 years ago then the transition happened to a proper beautiful style and VV has been top notch since Pep came in. Still slightly shaky coming out and commanding the ball in the air (Mallorca game other day case in point) but still a good keeper and uber at rushing out :cool:

The kids 19 and it was his first year in goal, he was 3rd choice at the start of last season as well but got lucky with Roberto being useless and Asenjo picking up a knock and forced his way in. Will be a fantastic keeper if he keeps it up and keeps showing his talent. Has the maturity and leadership of his defence as well which not many do at his age. Would be quite gutted if Utd got him, should be left at Atletico to get used to the pressure a bit more ideally and now he really is in the limelight with recent scouts. Personally i think you will get Stek and he will be top notch, just a case of you bidding really. VDS being a reference probably gives him an edge.

TLDR version, Stek/VV uber, De Gea will be. Get Stek for Dutchism :cool:

[dc89]

£100M Operating Profit.
£83.6M Loss.

Match day turnover down. City's rose. I told you all the tide was turning.

So really you've lost £183.6M in one year. That's bigger than City's loss. Only difference is, we can afford the debt.

[Metal Warrior]

£100M Operating Profit.
£83.6M Loss.

Match day turnover down. City's rose. I told you all the tide was turning.

So really you've lost £183.6M in one year. That's bigger than City's loss. Only difference is, we can afford the debt.

"So really you've lost £183.6M in one year."

If the loss is 83.6M, that's what we've lost. Outgoing cash isn't the same as loss. Your situation is different. You don't have to worry about debts with your virtually unlimited funds, but you'll be in trouble when the new Uefa ruling requires you to balance your books or you won't be permitted in European competitions.

[dc89]

My point is. Just how do you **** that much profit away?

If you think your Blue neighbours are going to have a problem I suggest you stop reading what the media write. They hate City.

Read the thoughts of a neutral. It's actually a really good read and compares City to United in many ways.

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/

City have no reason to be worried. Things are on the up!

Matchday revenue & commercial revenue both increased. Commercial revenue increased by £30,000,000. That's impressive. What's more so is that Sheikh Mansour has cashed his shares in Barclay's today for a £2.25 Billion profit.

I do sympathise with United. They never asked the Glazers' to buy them. I have sympathy with the fans it is there club at the end of the day. In 2 years time though, you will just be another Liverpool. This is how it started for them.

[R3D D3V!L]

Those new UEFA rules will dent City massively so there is a positive to these new rules.

[dc89]

If you have the time, read the link. Yup it's long winded, yep it's quite detailed but it shows that City are in a fantastic position!

I thought it was either the 2012/13 season or 2013/14 season where the UEFA rules come in to force about finances. United will be insolvent by then so you have more to worry about I think!

[Metal Warrior]

My point is. Just how do you **** that much profit away?

If you think your Blue neighbours are going to have a problem I suggest you stop reading what the media write. They hate City.

Read the thoughts of a neutral. It's actually a really good read and compares City to United in many ways.

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/

City have no reason to be worried. Things are on the up!

Matchday revenue & commercial revenue both increased. Commercial revenue increased by £30,000,000. That's impressive. What's more so is that Sheikh Mansour has cashed his shares in Barclay's today for a £2.25 Billion profit.

I do sympathise with United. They never asked the Glazers' to buy them. I have sympathy with the fans it is there club at the end of the day. In 2 years time though, you will just be another Liverpool. This is how it started for them.

"Just how do you **** that much profit away?"

That's easy, debt payments. The club itself is financially incredibly healthy, among the best in the world.

As for the other stuff, I'm not convinced. It will take some time for you to break-even as a business with your massive wage bill. Chelsea have managed that by now, but it took them long enough. You'll be going through a similar process. Maybe you'll get there just in time (what is it, 2013?). Either way it will have a serious impact on your ability to spend on transfers and wages. At the very least you'll need a bigger stadium and the ability to fill it consistently. I'm not saying it's impossible you'll break even, but it's by no means a given.

Back to the subject of United's loss, it appears the numbers are skewed because there was a massive one-off payout of an outstanding debt, as part of the bonds plan. That means next year's numbers might look much, much better. As long as the debt is servicable (and with the bond issues that looks to be the case), United isn't going Liverpool's way any time soon.

[dc89]

That's the very reason they have built a young squad full of world class talent now and not left it until we couldn't!

The major thing I'd worry about as a United fan is the fact the Match Day turnover was down. I think people are genuinely not going because of the Glazer's.

[Metal Warrior]

That's the very reason they have built a young squad full of world class talent now and not left it until we couldn't!

The major thing I'd worry about as a United fan is the fact the Match Day turnover was down. I think people are genuinely not going because of the Glazer's.

That could be explained by the less home games played (FA cup run cut short, one less in the CL).

[dc89]

Hmm yeah maybe!

I do think though that die hard United fans didn't buy a season ticket this year. United struggled to sell them, they even started ringing fans who they had the details of offering them a season ticket.

[Tutankhamun]

I don't worry, if **** hit the fan which business man wouldn't like to buy United from the Glazers? Manchester United is perhaps the most recognized brand in sports.

[santinomarella]

So we have become the first English team to make a profit of 100 million but because of the Glazers debts and bond nonsense we post an overall loss, right?

[Tutankhamun]

So we have become the first English team to make a profit of 100 million but because of the Glazers debts and bond nonsense we post an overall loss, right?

Pretty much. The good thing is that everyone know the Glazers are the problem which would make buying the club a good business opportunity for someone else.

[R3D D3V!L]

I don't worry, if **** hit the fan which business man wouldn't like to buy United from the Glazers? Manchester United is perhaps the most recognized brand in sports.

Exactly. Someone will buy United. Don't know who yet but there is time.

[santinomarella]

On to the footballing side of things lets all hope no one comes back with an injury from this latest annoying international break.

[Demiant]

That's the very reason they have built a young squad full of world class talent now and not left it until we couldn't!

The major thing I'd worry about as a United fan is the fact the Match Day turnover was down. I think people are genuinely not going because of the Glazer's.
No offense, but DUH! It's part of the Gold/Green protest. The poor showings at match day are done deliberately so we could have less revenue and force the Glazers out. We've sold 5-10k less season ticket sales than we usually do thanks to the protest. It's the only way to get them out, let them know they're going to lose money if they stay.


I don't worry, if **** hit the fan which business man wouldn't like to buy United from the Glazers? Manchester United is perhaps the most recognized brand in sports.


Exactly. Someone will buy United. Don't know who yet but there is time.
Unfortunately, we need to go a few years without winning anything in order for the Glazers to leave. Last year we were still the most profitable sports franchise in the world, so they have no reason to leave. We need to keep getting less & less attendances at games, stop buying official products (kills me when I see someone with a Gold/Green scarf yet the new home shirt underneath it...), and to not win the league for another year or two, maybe three... and Chelsea are helping us with that. :D

I'd gladly take 4th spot 2-3 seasons running if it meant getting the Glazers out. Heck I'd even take a year finishing in 5th-7th if it meant they'd defo leave. Remember, without them we're pretty much debt-free.

[dc89]

So when do you expect the Glazer's to pack up and go?

[Tutankhamun]

When someone makes them ”an offer they can't refuse”

[LC77]

So when do you expect the Glazer's to pack up and go?

Never. As long as people keep spending their money at the club, the Glazer clan will never leave. They are making a killing at the club, and losing the golden goose will crush their crumbling empire.

And I'd be worried about City if I were you, what happens if and when he wants his money back? He doesn't strike me as a Jack Walker type.

Football clubs in this country are a shambles, and what is going on at both Liverpool(even though it is funny) & United is a disgrace.

I haven't been to OT or bought a single United item since they floated on the stock market, that day they changed me from a supporter to a customer/mug.

As for the Valdes better than De Gea, great thing about football we all have opinions.... but I'm right on this one. :snicker

[Demiant]

Never. As long as people keep spending their money at the club, the Glazer clan will never leave. They are making a killing at the club, and losing the golden goose will crush their crumbling empire.

And I'd be worried about City if I were you, what happens if and when he wants his money back? He doesn't strike me as a Jack Walker type.

Football clubs in this country are a shambles, and what is going on at both Liverpool(even though it is funny) & United is a disgrace.

I haven't been to OT or bought a single United item since they floated on the stock market, that day they changed me from a supporter to a customer/mug.

As for the Valdes better than De Gea, great thing about football we all have opinions.... but I'm right on this one. :snicker

I agree with the majority of your post. But as for the last bit, I never said Valdes was better, I said Barca would never spend the money on De Gea when there's not much difference between the 2 keepers.

[dc89]

Never. As long as people keep spending their money at the club, the Glazer clan will never leave. They are making a killing at the club, and losing the golden goose will crush their crumbling empire.

And I'd be worried about City if I were you, what happens if and when he wants his money back? He doesn't strike me as a Jack Walker type.

Football clubs in this country are a shambles, and what is going on at both Liverpool(even though it is funny) & United is a disgrace.

I haven't been to OT or bought a single United item since they floated on the stock market, that day they changed me from a supporter to a customer/mug.

As for the Valdes better than De Gea, great thing about football we all have opinions.... but I'm right on this one. :snicker

Then you know nothing about the owners City have.

It's not just about City. It's about so much more.

It's about building a name for Abu Dhabi. I don't think a member of the Royal Family of Abu Dhabi is just going to pack up, move away and leave a club in a financial nightmare. It would tarnish their honour. Sorry but it's not going to happen.

If he was going anywhere in the near future he wouldn't be disputing a £3,000,000 cost to filling old coal mine shafts in on the ground we rent from the council where we want to invest & build a £1,000,000,000 complex. You may ask why he would dispute over such a small cost.

Principle.

That's the kind of owner we have. Sorry to disappoint you.

[LC77]

Then you know nothing about the owners City have.

It's not just about City. It's about so much more.

It's about building a name for Abu Dhabi. I don't think a member of the Royal Family of Abu Dhabi is just going to pack up, move away and leave a club in a financial nightmare. It would tarnish their honour. Sorry but it's not going to happen.

If he was going anywhere in the near future he wouldn't be disputing a £3,000,000 cost to filling old coal mine shafts in on the ground we rent from the council where we want to invest & build a £1,000,000,000 complex. You may ask why he would dispute over such a small cost.

Principle.

That's the kind of owner we have. Sorry to disappoint you.

Yes I know nothing about City and I couldn't give a rats hairy backside about their future, but you're the one in a United thread screaming about the freakin moon rising.

A businessman not in it for the money?

BREAKING NEWS: Just reported on Sky News, that a flying pig, has just landed on the moon wearing a City scarf.

Anyway, with an admission like this from Gill, every future transfer fee has just doubled for United, so no wonder there is no value in the market.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11667_6434589,00.html

[Tutankhamun]

Wes is in the Brown stuff

WES BROWN'S future at Manchester United is hanging by a thread after a screaming row with Alex Ferguson.

Brown had the bust-up on the pre-season tour of America and has not started a league game since.

And he believes his Old Trafford stay is now in doubt.

The argument was over a night out organised by United's players. Brown is understood to have been told by boss Fergie he could not go - although it is not clear why - leading to the row.

The defender, 31 this Wednesday, stood his ground and Ferguson was described as 'incandescent' as they traded verbal blows.

Since then, Brown has had to make do with a start against Rangers in the Champions League - when Rafael cried off late through illness.

And he began the Carling Cup third-round tie with S****horpe.

Brown, who joined United as a pro in 1996, did not get off the bench in the Premier League win over Liverpool last month.

He made the Euro trip to Valencia but was left out of the squad on the night.

The former England star, who won 23 caps, has made 349 appearances for the Old Trafford giants.

He is one short of 200 Premier League starts but may not get the chance to reach that milestone with his current club.

Brown fears being sold in January - with Sunderland keeping an eye on developments.

The versatile defender, who has 1½ years left on his deal, was diplomatic when asked last week whether he is frustrated on the sidelines.

He said: "Yeah, a little bit. But I've always had to deal with that situation throughout my career.

"It's something I've learned to handle. We've got lots of good players in defensive positions.

"I have to keep training hard and, when I do get a chance, play well.

"There's no point sulking and letting it get to you.

"It might be difficult but you have to remember that everyone wants to play every week. Unfortunately, that can't happen."

Source (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3172337/Inside-Wes-Browns-screaming-row-with-Alex-Ferguson.html)

Where do they get these headlines from?

[three3-times]

tbh honest, wes isnt injuried so why is josh playing infront of him

also, great news that rio got his captaincy back. cant belive there were calls for that dirty scouse **** gerrard to get it

[yourmumsface17]

Am gonna use this page to rant about Englands performance.

Here goes nothing...

Firstly how many effing times does A Johnson have to cut inside from the right cross it in and lose it, so frustrating, ffs we have been screaming for a left sided midfielder with a left foot for years, we get one and play him on the right, so annoying, he could be just like Giggs if we put him there.

(I am aware he plays his trade on the right but why not try him on left?)

Also how many times to the England team wanna dive?

Rooney had some sitters, shame he missed them, last season he would've buried em, it's like he doesn't wanna score.

I blame the sun newspaper for his misses, no confidence to put his foot through it.

England are such a chore to watch.

Fair play to Montenegro, well defended.

[smiggy]

Barry looks out of place, in fact Gerrard aswell last night. Needed someone like Lampard in there driving forward, way to slow in the build up.

[santinomarella]

Barry looks out of place, in fact Gerrard aswell last night. Needed someone like Lampard in there driving forward, way to slow in the build up.

Barry looks out of place every time he plays football, such an average, over rated player.

Nani, Smalling and Hernandez all scored goals during the international week. :)

[three3-times]

WE all knew that rooney was dropped by saf......

and now with rooney saying he hasnt missed a training session all season, do you think saf will punish him more or leave him be?

edit.....hearing that hargo will play against west brom? This is coming from the Steadman bloke though! We need hargo to add some steel back to our mid. Praying this is his time, i mean the doctor finally gave him the all clear!!!!

[Metal Warrior]

WE all knew that rooney was dropped by saf......

and now with rooney saying he hasnt missed a training session all season, do you think saf will punish him more or leave him be?

edit.....hearing that hargo will play against west brom? This is coming from the Steadman bloke though! We need hargo to add some steel back to our mid. Praying this is his time, i mean the doctor finally gave him the all clear!!!!

Heard he was in the squad as well. I wouldn't bet on him playing just yet, definately not starting, but if he's in the squad that's something at least. And I seriously hope Rooney doesn't start. Throw him on if we've got a 3 goal lead or whatever, but don't start him. He needs a serious wake up call.

[Tutankhamun]

So Rooney is leaving, can anything be handled professionally by this club?

[manutdfan]

So Rooney is leaving, can anything be handled professionally by this club?

Who said Rooney is leaving?

[yourmumsface17]

The sun... therefore it's true...

[Tutankhamun]

Well explain why he still don't have a new contract?

[three3-times]

who knows. but something is up. it will be sorted, but if rooney aint performing, he needs to remember that he is a in squad and aint the be and end of all of man utd.

[Tutankhamun]

I can't begin to explain how disappointed I am about how this Rooney situation have been handled, I would have done everything differently.

[Metal Warrior]

Jesus Tutankhamun pull yourself together, this is embaressing. Rooney's contract will be sorted out soon enough and all of this will look rather silly. You're letting yourself be influenced by all sorts of rubbish in the tabloids.

What's worrying with Rooney isn't his contract situation, but his state of mind. He's being a bit of a **** now.

[three3-times]

**** rooney atm. Yes i love him, but hes been playing utter crap since the bayern game. He needs to worry about his form instead of running his mouth to the press about not missing training all season

[manutdfan]

The sun... therefore it's true...

The current bun, that comic, rag joke of a paper!

[mankind]

When is the last time rooney has had a good game?

[Tutankhamun]

When is the last time rooney has had a bad game?

Fixed.

Rooney may not have scored that many this season but he contributes on a lot more dimensions than that.

[John25]

Alex Ferguson has made a move to add Tom Hicks to the coaching staff at Manchester United.

Ferguson has been impressed with the amount of extra time Tom Hicks can conjure to press home an advantage.

Ferguson said, with Hicksy on the coaching team I'll have to change my watch to a calendar!


lol

[yourmumsface17]

Fixed.

Rooney may not have scored that many this season but he contributes on a lot more dimensions than that.

No no... when Berba wasn't scoring in periods last season he was slated, therefore we have set a precedent on this forum of striker not scoring goals = a crap performance (despite Berba having the 2nd best link up play and vision in squad after Scholes)

So no defending him :snicker

Ok seriously though, he hasn't been abysmal... he doesn't look like he wants to score goals tbh, when he shoots he hasn't been shooting with authority it seems.

He has some sort of fear, it needs sorting tbh.

[three3-times]

Like i said, wazza has been crap since the bayern games

[LC77]

This Rooney situation is almost déjà vu, with the Beckham ousting. I never remember Beckham going on national TV and as good as calling Fergie a teller of fibs. :pissed:

The Rooney comment to Sky felt like a prepared statement, and could have been intended for Barcelona/Madrid ears!

Could be the beginning of the end of Rooney at United.

[three3-times]

YEP, somethinig is defo amiss. lets see if saf addresses it tomorrow. (yeah right!)

gotta remember, becks was also fergies 'son' at one point too and ended up falling out with him. this is defo deja vu.............