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yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 17:50
**** me!
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 17:52
JI SUNG ****ing PARK!!!!!
I hate your ****ing team.
Another Fergie Time special!!
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 18:05
The winning mentality! :D
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 18:05
I win! I made a bet with myself DC would be bitter and say the phrase "fergie time"
How I love fergie time :D
You lot can actually just **** right off
Utter muck today and you still sneak it, Wolves could have easily scored 4 or more goals. Jammy buggers
Now it's time for City to step up and beat you on Wednesday. *sigh*
Haha I also won a bet I had where Hargo would end up injured again by the end of the game!
He's cost United around £430,000 a game. Time to let go I think.
Don't worry Firefox. Were like a wounded animal at the moment and what would be better than stuffing Man United. City always raise the game when it comes to the big teams! Form goes out the window.
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 18:18
Thank God...
I was worried we weren't the most hated club anymore, but look at the bitterness phew we've retained are crown :D
That's the end of Owen Hargreaves then
Metal Warrior
11-06-2010, 18:25
You lot can actually just **** right off
Utter muck today and you still sneak it, Wolves could have easily scored 4 or more goals. Jammy buggers
To be fair to us, we deserved something like this going our way after the leads we threw away late in the game at Craven Cottage and Goodison Park. Bizarre team though.
R3D D3V!L
11-06-2010, 18:38
I hate your ****ing team.
Another Fergie Time special!!
This is the type of thing champions do.
Aizen-Sama
11-06-2010, 18:43
Just when Park got hold of the ball on the wing I said "you can deliver park" and he did just that :D!!
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 18:46
Didn't catch the game but this is all:
Park, Park, wherever you may be,
You eat dogs in your home country!
It could be worse, you could be Scouse,
Eating rats in your council house!
x2
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 18:49
To be fair to us, we deserved something like this going our way after the leads we threw away late in the game at Craven Cottage and Goodison Park. Bizarre team though.
It's not like Arsenal got a last minute winner like you know a week ago or anything either...
I like what the BBC said. 'A good result doesn't paper over a poor performance. United are a one man team*'
*signifies a bit added by dc89.
Ben Hibbs, United's Editor for Manutd.com or something tweeted this!
Not looking great for Wed. Nani looks like missing out, others struggling with virus. Good win today under seemingly difficult circumstances
http://twitter.com/BenHibbs/status/958698616782848
I think Hargo will never play football again.
StaticAge
11-06-2010, 18:52
:lol: Well that was exciting :D
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 18:53
DC let's see what happens on Wednesday. Its good to talk the talk but I rather walk the walk.
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 19:02
Proof were a one man team? We've been on great form until today. Only reason today was sh*t was because we had no one with any creativity on the pitch (Par maybe Obertan)
Fletcher and O'Shea midfield, doesn't scream creativity.
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 19:15
I like what the BBC said. 'A good result doesn't paper over a poor performance. United are a one man team*'
*signifies a bit added by dc89.
Ben Hibbs, United's Editor for Manutd.com or something tweeted this!
http://twitter.com/BenHibbs/status/958698616782848
I think Hargo will never play football again.
Interesting you call United a one man team. How are City doing with out Tevez? ;)
StaticAge
11-06-2010, 19:37
"One man team".. Heh...
We were without Berbatov, Nani, Carrick, Valencia, Giggs, Owen, Anderson, Rooney. Scholes was only on for 15 minutes.
manutdfan
11-06-2010, 19:42
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/2856/img0175k.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/i/img0175k.jpg/)
Guys been on fire recently!!!!
Shame about Hargo!
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 19:46
Happy for Park, always liked him. Got good attitude, love him.
Hey Tut you could have gone to the game today!
Tickets were in general sale! Wolves fans bought tickets in te united stands!
Worrying times if you can't fill the ground! United are really dependent on ticket sales as it's a fast cash flow and will help you pay interest payments!
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 20:01
Yeah too bad I would have to flown out before hand. I went to a hockey game so I missed it.
I'm not too worried about the ticket sales since it's part of the protest but it's certainly a bummer I must say.
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 20:03
Hey Tut you could have gone to the game today!
Tickets were in general sale! Wolves fans bought tickets in te united stands!
Worrying times if you can't fill the ground! United are really dependent on ticket sales as it's a fast cash flow and will help you pay interest payments!
You're just obsessed with all the negatives at United, do they make you feel better about the turmoil surrounding your "team" at the moment?
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 20:49
If you guys want to support the Gold and Green you can add a ribbon to your twitter profile by going here: http://twibbon.com/join/SEcom-Green-and-Gold
You're just obsessed with all the negatives at United, do they make you feel better about the turmoil surrounding your "team" at the moment?
It's called being rivals. You take DC's posts so seriously and literally. :lol:
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 21:10
It's called being rivals. You take DC's posts so seriously and literally. :lol:
No it's called attempting to wind up the United fans. Which he does on a non stop daily basis.
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 21:15
Meh, he never succeeds anyway :snicker
manutdfan
11-06-2010, 22:11
DC doesn't wind me up, just ignore him. If you ignored him he'd soon get bored and stop posting in here.
I obviously do succeed though!
But It's not my intention.
It's called having a bit of fun, you give it back you know when you come and post LOL in the City thread.
Look at these two guys. Taking the pee out of each other but at the end of the day they just laugh it off! It's well worth a watch. The highlight is when the United fan says Owen will score more goals then Tevez. But he was right about City not finishing top 4. So see, everyone gives as good as they get!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVkJQEghZAw&feature=player_embedded
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Colin_mcfc/Training%2006%2011%2010/DSCF4788.jpg
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Colin_mcfc/Training%2006%2011%2010/DSCF4738.jpg
http://i918.photobucket.com/albums/ad24/Colin_mcfc/Training%2006%2011%2010/DSCF4857.jpg
Courtesy of Bluemoon.
Pics took at today's training. It really looks like a team in turmoil... Just look at all those fights! Good job I've not posted the one of De Jong snapping Mancini's legs one by one with a tackle just like the 'horrific' one he did on Ben Arfa.
Btw, did anyone see Tom Huddleston's stamp on a Bolton player ( I think it was Elmander ). Oh no, that's right. You probably won't see anything of it because he doesn't play for City. No need for a witch hunt this time.
manutdfan
11-06-2010, 22:23
Come on though DC you got your own thread for that.
Would have been more concerned if Macheda went to City than Tevez... delusional fan... :lol:
manutdfan.. did you watch the video at all? You need to watch it to know that the other guy is a United fan.
It was a good discussion.
And both of them even if they are fans of rival teams learn to talk respectfully and know that rivalry jokes and nagging is in good fun.. something people in this thread aren't really doing.
Yeah, watch the video. It's not just a city fan trash talking. A United fan and City fan trash talk each other on TV! It's brilliantly funny and a real insight what it's like, especially around Derby Day.
When you live in Manchester this is what it's like come Derby Day. It's already started in my office at work!
manutdfan
11-06-2010, 22:33
Would have been more concerned if Macheda went to City than Tevez... delusional fan... :lol:
manutdfan.. did you watch the video at all? You need to watch it to know that the other guy is a United fan.
It was a good discussion.
And both of them even if they are fans of rival teams learn to talk respectfully and know that rivalry jokes and nagging is in good fun.. something people in this thread aren't really doing.
Video wasn't on the post when I posted that comment.
Was talking about the Man City training pics they belong in the Man City thread, not this one and he can't say he posted them in here by mistake cause he's does it all the time.
Video wasn't on the post when I posted that comment.
Was talking about the Man City training pics they belong in the Man City thread, not this one and he can't say he posted them in here by mistake cause he's does it all the time.
I'm just providing proof to my argument which is there is no rift at City between players or players & the management.
Ah fair enough. Btw is there any news on Hargreaves injury? I really want to see him back. :(
I still have faith in Owen's comeback. What are everyone's feelings here?
manutdfan
11-06-2010, 22:44
I haven't heard any news on it, but I can't really see him coming back and playing a big part in the team.
Hargo will never play for United again.
He's cost United around £430,000 a game, he was £17,000,000 worth of player.
StaticAge
11-06-2010, 23:01
Hargreaves will be out for 2-3 weeks apparently.
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 23:09
He's only 29 he is at the right club for this sort of thing he can vet the right training etc. He'll comeback but I doubt he will be as good as he was when we got him.
I think there comes a stage though where sadly it's just viable to pay for players treatments and stuff. It is a shame though. More so for England in my eyes!
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 23:12
I think there comes a stage though where sadly it's just viable to pay for players treatments and stuff. It is a shame though. More so for England in my eyes!
Small clubs have that mentality even if Hargo retires I would expect United to continue to help him back to a point where he can live a normal life.
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 23:13
Hargo will never play for United again.
He's cost United around £430,000 a game, he was £17,000,000 worth of player.
How many times do you wanna say that fact lol
I think he can live a normal a life as possible on his wages!
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 23:23
I think he can live a normal a life as possible on his wages!
I'm not so sure about that, a normal life includes being able to play football with your kids etc. Not sure he can do even that.
I'm not so sure about that, a normal life includes being able to play football with your kids etc. Not sure he can do even that.
hmm yeah you have a point.
Hargo will never play for United again.
He's cost United around £430,000 a game, he was £17,000,000 worth of player.
I read somewhere we could claim the money back as some kind of insurance thing we had with him?
I read somewhere we could claim the money back as some kind of insurance thing we had with him?
:O that would be good for you guys! you could strengthen your midfield somewhat with £17m.
I think that's the area of your team which is most in need. Scholes & Giggs aren't going to be around forever! A great DM would help you heaps!
yourmumsface17
11-06-2010, 23:35
Spurs had 4 mins added time today, and the game went on for 6. Not to mention Harry not getting charged. <br />
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Harry time?
santinomarella
11-06-2010, 23:38
I don't see how 3 or 4 players smiling during training is proof there is no rift, there's video of Rooney training with a smile on his face around the time he wanted to leave. Or maybe they're smiling because it's pay day.
And I never specified DC posting here annoyed me, his presence has actually made for a lot of discussions/banter in this thread. It was more of being interested that he always posts the negative related comments after a United win as if he is trying to divert the success of United's day. Just something I had picked up on over recent weeks. :p
StaticAge
11-06-2010, 23:48
Just saw the Huddlestone stamp on MOTD. Horrible and he definitely knew what he was doing.
Tutankhamun
11-06-2010, 23:54
He's cost United around £430,000 a game, he was £17,000,000 worth of player.
Started thinking about this and I'm pretty sure it's not true. All players have insurance so during the time Hargo has been injured the insurance company has payee the bills for his wage and treatment. So in real life Hargo has only cost us what we payed Bayern for him.
Metal Warrior
11-07-2010, 08:49
We obviously don't know what's going on during training etc. so we don't really have a clue where Hargreaves stands, but I'm with DC that he's finished at the top level. I'll be pleasantly surprised if I'm wrong. If he can't make a meaningful contribution before the end of this season, I can't see us keeping him on our books. He might do a De La Red and retire and become part of our coaching staff though. That way at least he'll stay at the club, albeit in a different role.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 09:43
Trying to look at the positives of OH. He was obviously fit enough to play otherwise he wouldn't have, simple as that, and as Santino said hamstring injuries are common when a player returns. So his injury was nothing to do with his long term injury. Just a bit frustrating.
Hopefully he can make a comeback in a few weeks and try and ease him in with a few reserve games wouldn't be a terrible idea.
EDIT: Forgot to say yesterday well played to Wolves for playing some good bits of football, was pleasant to see a team come out and have a go. Credit to them.
To be fair to us, we deserved something like this going our way after the leads we threw away late in the game at Craven Cottage and Goodison Park. Bizarre team though.
I completely agree. We didn't deserve to win today, but we "deserved" it because of all the unlucky results we've been having so far.
Hey Tut you could have gone to the game today!
Tickets were in general sale! Wolves fans bought tickets in te united stands!
Worrying times if you can't fill the ground! United are really dependent on ticket sales as it's a fast cash flow and will help you pay interest payments!
You're ****ting me right? We have 15k less season ticket sales than usual because of the G&G campaign (which, again, is a GOOD thing)... we're playing Wolves at home, which is bound to be boring on paper... and we still managed over 73k attendace...
Ah fair enough. Btw is there any news on Hargreaves injury? I really want to see him back. :(
I still have faith in Owen's comeback. What are everyone's feelings here?
Just his hamstring apparently, and that's because he's been working so hard on his knees the past year or two that he's bound to have been neglecting other parts of his body and they need to get used to the physicality of it all again.
Hargo will never play for United again.
He's cost United around £430,000 a game, he was £17,000,000 worth of player.
Even if he doesn't play for us again, he is the main reason we won the CL imo. We never would have won it without him, so I'd say he worth it.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 10:53
Completely agree with the last bit of Demiants post, without OH we would have not got near the champions league, he was awesome in the final.
Metal Warrior
11-07-2010, 11:06
He also played a major part in our league win. I know it's a long campaign and you can't single out specific moments, but I still look back on his match winning free kick against Arsenal as one of the key moments. A bit like Macheda's winner against Villa.
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 13:02
Happy 32nd birthday to Rio Ferdinand!
It's not like Arsenal got a last minute winner like you know a week ago or anything either...
The massive difference being West Ham parked the bus and it was one way traffic, the goal was coming. You were complete muck yesterday, Wolves were the better team and you still fluked your way to a win - that is jammy, no one else does that. When we play that badly (West Brom, Shakhtar) we get punished with the loss. You are still ridiculously unbeaten this season.
Tutankhamun
11-07-2010, 13:44
The massive difference being West Ham parked the bus and it was one way traffic, the goal was coming. You were complete muck yesterday, Wolves were the better team and you still fluked your way to a win - that is jammy, no one else does that. When we play that badly (West Brom, Shakhtar) we get punished with the loss. You are still ridiculously unbeaten this season.
How does it matter how you win? If you win you deserve it, doesn't matter how you played or how the opposition played.
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'Anxiety' may have led to Owen Hargreaves' setback, says Alex Ferguson
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Manchester United's Owen Hargreaves goes off with a hamstring problem after just five minutes against Wolves at Old Trafford. Photograph: Robin Parker/EPA
Sir Alex Ferguson has hinted there may be a mental explanation for the latest setback in Owen Hargreaves' injury-ravaged career. Handed a surprise start in yesterday's 2-1 win over Wolves at Old Trafford, the 29-year-old lasted just five minutes before signalling to the Manchester United bench that he could not continue.
Hargreaves was clearly troubled by his left hamstring and made his way dejectedly down the tunnel after giving way to Bébé.
Ferguson conceded a lack of match practice may have been an issue for a player who has completed just 45 minutes of reserve-team football and a first-team outing that lasted less than 60 seconds since his previous game of any significance, at Chelsea in September 2008.
However, after United's medical staff had given Hargreaves the all-clear to feature yesterday, Ferguson feels fear may have played a part.
"It is possibly because of a lack of match fitness," Ferguson told the Manchester radio station Key103. "Maybe a bit of anxiety at playing his first game had a bit to do with it too."
In an ideal world, Ferguson would probably not have pushed Hargreaves into service from the off, knowing the player's first start since he had surgery on both knees to cure a long-standing tendinitis complaint was going to be significant.
However, a devastating combination of illness and injury left Ferguson with little option than to turn to the midfielder he signed from Bayern Munich in 2007.
"We had to take a check on the morning of the game," said Ferguson. "We pulled Ryan [Giggs] into the squad but unfortunately he was just feeling his hamstring a little bit, so he was too big a risk.
"Paul Scholes was not fit enough to start because he wasn't feeling 100% so we looked at the situation with Owen. He has been training very well and the doctor thought he was fine to play. Unfortunately he only lasted a couple of minutes."
No estimate was offered about how long Hargreaves is likely to be out, but the consequences could be significant.
Now in the final year of his contract, it is hard to see Ferguson offering him another without some guarantee the player has recovered from his knee problems, even though he made an impressive contribution to a campaign that ended with the Premier League title and European Cup in his first season at Old Trafford.
The England manager, Fabio Capello, who was at Old Trafford yesterday, might have equal reason to lament Hargreaves' exit, although John O'Shea is confident his team-mate can overcome this latest setback.
"I feel so sorry for Owen," he said. "He was looking forward to it so much and we were all excited for him. He has worked very hard to get to this point. There will be one or two niggles, that is bound to happen. But he will be back, there is no doubt about that."
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/nov/07/owen-hargreaves-setback-manchester-united)
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 13:48
The massive difference being West Ham parked the bus and it was one way traffic, the goal was coming. You were complete muck yesterday, Wolves were the better team and you still fluked your way to a win - that is jammy, no one else does that. When we play that badly (West Brom, Shakhtar) we get punished with the loss. You are still ridiculously unbeaten this season.
I'm confused by the point you're trying to make here, are you criticising United or giving them a compliment, because to me it sounds like a compliment to United's winning mentality.
Metal Warrior
11-07-2010, 13:49
The massive difference being West Ham parked the bus and it was one way traffic, the goal was coming. You were complete muck yesterday, Wolves were the better team and you still fluked your way to a win - that is jammy, no one else does that. When we play that badly (West Brom, Shakhtar) we get punished with the loss. You are still ridiculously unbeaten this season.
Oh please, no one else? You've often done that in previous seasons, as have Chelsea. As they say, you make your own luck, it speaks volumes of the determination of your players.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 13:49
The massive difference being West Ham parked the bus and it was one way traffic, the goal was coming. You were complete muck yesterday, Wolves were the better team and you still fluked your way to a win - that is jammy, no one else does that. When we play that badly (West Brom, Shakhtar) we get punished with the loss. You are still ridiculously unbeaten this season.
You are so so bitter it's funny. Wolves really weren't the better team, United were crap, I'll give you that (considering the line up and the fact that the team had been decimated with injury and illness it's not shock) but they still were the better side.
According to sky sports United had 10 shots to Wolves 5 and United had 52.3% possession according to that.
Stop being bitter because United have the knack of scoring late goals.
It's funny you basically criticise your own side for not having "luck" surely if it happens so often it is no longer "luck".
Teams get tired, they get worn down, late goals are so common, players switch off.
You know in the same way you did to West ham a week ago, just because "the goal was coming" doesn't make it any less "lucky" it's still a "jammy" last minute winner by your logic anyway.
Last minute winners aren't lucky, it's no coincidence the better teams do them.
EDIT: Also no one else does it? What about Chelsea against Blackburn last week? They didn't really deserve it, but got a fairly late winner.
Like static said (I think) our recent bad luck def gives us a right to a bit of luck.
I'm confused by the point you're trying to make here, are you criticising United or giving them a compliment, because to me it sounds like a compliment to United's winning mentality.
I'm saying you are a jammy team, take it however you want. The others seem to be taking it badly, all Man U fans I know in person hate it being pointed out too.
@ yourmumsface, you are not even worth talking to anymore. Anyone Even hints at criticism your club and they are 'bitter'. You are so stereotypical it hurts. What you are clearly avoiding is the fact that I'm not talking about getting late goals, we do that too, all good teams do that. I'm talking about you winning games you rightly deserve to have lost.
One of the biggest myths in football is you make your own luck. You make about 5% of your own luck but the rest is out of your hands. Ref decisions, added on time, own goals, dreadful errors and outrageous flukes - these are the things that quantify luck and ultimately decide championships and you don't make that at all, it just happens. You are a lucky team, more often than not the wind blows for you.
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 14:46
I'm saying you are a jammy team, take it however you want. The others seem to be taking it badly, all Man U fans I know in person hate it being pointed out too.
It's not jammy, it a winning mentality, it realising the game is not over 10 minutes before the end, and keep going to the final whistle. Teams that play bad but still have what it takes to win a match are teams that are successful. Chelsea can do that and done it recently against Blackburn if I remember correctly, they could have lost that match and with better finishing from Roberts probably would have but despite not playing at their best still got the 3 points. It's what United can do as well and done it again yesterday and surprise surprise United and Chelsea have had the most success in recent years. It's not jammy to win matches while playing bad, it's the sign of a top team.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 14:48
I'm saying you are a jammy team, take it however you want. The others seem to be taking it badly, all Man U fans I know in person hate it being pointed out too.
@ yourmumsface, you are not even worth talking to anymore. Anyone Even hints at criticism your club and they are 'bitter'. You are so stereotypical it hurts. What you are clearly avoiding is the fact that I'm not talking about getting late goals, we do that too, all good teams do that. I'm talking about you winning games you rightly deserve to have lost.
One of the biggest myths in football is you make your own luck. You make about 5% of your own luck but the rest is out of your hands. Ref decisions, added on time, own goals, dreadful errors and outrageous flukes - these are the things that quantify luck and ultimately decide championships and you don't make that at all, it just happens. You are a lucky team, more often than not the wind blows for you.
You are so bitter it hurts, whenever United get a slight decision or a slight bit of luck your in here crying, late goals are not luck, United did not deserve to lose against Wolves (as I pointed out with some stats). United are not the only team who "luckily win" You seem to think United are, it's funny it happens so often yet people still think it's a "fluke"
Anyway as you refused to respond to the points in my post (really not a shock, had a feeling that would happen) then I guess were done, have a good day, hope you guys beat Newcastle, good luck fellas
I can't help but laugh at how people are nagging on Cyn just for saying that if you perform poorly in a game and win out of good fortune that it is luck.
Arsenal has had many such games.. at least I can admit it.. but no one here can apparently.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 14:55
I can't help but laugh at how people are nagging on Cyn just for saying that if you perform poorly in a game and win out of good fortune that it is luck.
Arsenal has had many such games.. at least I can admit it.. but no one here can apparently.
No what he is saying that only Man United can do that, which is a joke. Oh well I suppose being the "luckiest club" and winning 11 premier league titles out of "luck" isn't a bad trait :D
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 14:59
I can't help but laugh at how people are nagging on Cyn just for saying that if you perform poorly in a game and win out of good fortune that it is luck.
Arsenal has had many such games.. at least I can admit it.. but no one here can apparently.
What we are defending is, that it is not "luck" What were saying is United have done this over the years quite often, there's an element of luck with every game yes. But when United do this many times over the years it gets to a point where it's not just luck but more of a strong point of our game.
What's also amusing here is Arsenal get a late goal - "the goal was coming!" United get a late goal - "luck!" :lol:
Metal Warrior
11-07-2010, 15:04
I can't help but laugh at how people are nagging on Cyn just for saying that if you perform poorly in a game and win out of good fortune that it is luck.
Arsenal has had many such games.. at least I can admit it.. but no one here can apparently.
Read his posts more carefully, he's clearly saying United are the only team who do it and it's because the "wind" blows our way more often than not. Not a hint that we might have done this so often on our own merit. I'm guessing United dominating the Premier League for the past 2 decades was largely because we were the most lucky as well? (not meant at you btw, who seem to be more in our camp than Cyn's on this)
Tutankhamun
11-07-2010, 15:14
I'm saying you are a jammy team, take it however you want. The others seem to be taking it badly, all Man U fans I know in person hate it being pointed out too.
@ yourmumsface, you are not even worth talking to anymore. Anyone Even hints at criticism your club and they are 'bitter'. You are so stereotypical it hurts. What you are clearly avoiding is the fact that I'm not talking about getting late goals, we do that too, all good teams do that. I'm talking about you winning games you rightly deserve to have lost.
One of the biggest myths in football is you make your own luck. You make about 5% of your own luck but the rest is out of your hands. Ref decisions, added on time, own goals, dreadful errors and outrageous flukes - these are the things that quantify luck and ultimately decide championships and you don't make that at all, it just happens. You are a lucky team, more often than not the wind blows for you.
Don't be a tool, these things even outs over a season. And while you might be lucky to get a late goal you can't dismiss the goal because of luck. What do you suggest, should they not allow goals to be scored in extra time? Extra time is part of the game you know... Deal with it.
yourmumsface17
11-07-2010, 15:26
If only Arsenal had our "luck".. they might have defeated the might Newcastle at home today ;)
Metal Warrior
11-07-2010, 15:28
If only Arsenal had our "luck".. they might have defeated the might Newcastle at home today ;)
I think having our keeper would've been more helpful. :mrgreen:
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 15:33
A tweet from Stewart Gardner who works for MUTV, which some's up perfectly the recent discussion...
And therein lies the diff between #mufc and arsenal. Utd can play badly but still have the drive to win.
EDIT: City's 2 goal hero will now miss the Manchester derby Balotelli. :lol:
Well I just wrote a long post then tried to quote someone else and lost the original post so **** it
Long story short, it aint about late goals numb nuts. Read my posts and answer accordingly. It's about playing a dogs dinner of a football match, being second best and still winning. "Champions" grind out results, lucky teams fluke their way to undeserving victory.
And Tut, things "evening themselves out" is another myth. Just aint the case. Some teams get the rub of the green and some don't and it often decides who wins the league and who gets relegated.
Tutankhamun
11-07-2010, 17:16
And Tut, things "evening themselves out" is another myth. Just aint the case. Some teams get the rub of the green and some don't and it often decides who wins the league and who gets relegated.
That's life, how do you want them to find a winner? Most points win, how you get those ****ing points don't matter. I rate a 1-0 smash and grab as much as a 7-0 win.
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 17:28
Long story short, it aint about late goals numb nuts. Read my posts and answer accordingly. It's about playing a dogs dinner of a football match, being second best and still winning. "Champions" grind out results, lucky teams fluke their way to undeserving victory.
Grinding out a result is exactly what we did, we were second best and we did what we had to to win the match, nothing lucky about the goals we scored either. Got some luck with Wolves failing to take their chances, but that does not make us a lucky team. Understandable if it was dubious penalty or an own goal which has happened in the past. Just like you said championship contenders grind out results.
Bottom line a team that makes better use of the chances they have deserves to win. We did.
EDIT: City's 2 goal hero will now miss the Manchester derby Balotelli. :lol:
Maybe it's for the best! Dirty ****** scholes would only end up kicking him about.
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 17:34
Maybe it's for the best! Dirty ****** scholes would only end up kicking him about.
That's a similar worry I have .... De Jong might break a few legs.
Tutankhamun
11-07-2010, 17:39
De Jong is a pimp, he isn't though at all anyone on the pitch can take him out.
santinomarella
11-07-2010, 18:00
Good weekend for us, get a big win despite playing poor, Chelsea and Arsenal lose, 24 years in charge for Sir Alex and on Wednesday we have a chance to give Man City a set back. Time to fully...
Apparently Nani will miss the derby, if its true, no Valencia, Nani or Giggs against City? Add tot the list Anderson and Gibson look unlikely to play, Neville is unsure on, along with the likes of Anderson Carrick and Evans ect. but Berbatov will be fit. Hopefully the line up will be something like:
--------------------------------------Hernandez------------------------------------
Park/Nani if fit------ Carrick --------- Scholes ----------- Fletcher -------------Park/Nani if fit
Evra ----------------------- Ferdinand ------------- Vidic ------------------- Rafael
-------------------------------------- VDS ------------------------------------
Then again Berabtov will probably play so I see Hernandez up front and Berba just behind Hernandez, and maybe 3 CM's.
three3-times
11-07-2010, 18:13
either way, with our wack team, a draw is the best we can hope for
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9164536.stm
manutdfan
11-07-2010, 19:04
Good day for us today Chelsea and Arsenal both losing.
Tutankhamun
11-07-2010, 19:39
Happy 32nd birthday to Rio Ferdinand!
And don't forget to wish Static a happy birthday!
StaticAge
11-07-2010, 19:43
And don't forget to wish Static a happy birthday!
:lol: Woo yeah! Thanks man.
Happy Birthday Rio :p
Just saw the Huddlestone stamp on MOTD. Horrible and he definitely knew what he was doing.
Is there a massive witch hunt over it no?! Nope that's right! His name is not De Jong.
A tweet from Stewart Gardner who works for MUTV, which some's up perfectly the recent discussion...
EDIT: City's 2 goal hero will now miss the Manchester derby Balotelli. :lol:
City are appealing it. Ref gave a straight red. It wasn't even a yellow never mind a straight red! He had two players literally trying to pull him to the ground.
Balotelli was immense yesterday. What a talent and a massive threat! If he can get his head right, he will be the best striker in the PL.
Mourinho once said "Balotelli only trains at 25%. If he trained at 50%, he'd be the best player in the world". The Special One is never wrong.
That's a similar worry I have .... De Jong might break a few legs.
See above. And De Jong is built like a brick **** house. I've never seen anyone take him out. That tells a story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lYRNEfFDw0
He hardly ever puts a foot wrong. Ben Arfa as a accident, he got the ball.
But I do like his challenge on Anderson in this video. Again, nothing wrong with it. It's a mans game, get over it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPfewsvAKg&feature=related
it was a red, you could see him stamp out, even if it was just a little, the intention was there.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 11:04
Is there a massive witch hunt over it no?! Nope that's right! His name is not De Jong.
You're talking to the wrong fans about witch hunts. Remember Ronaldo? Every time he went down everyone would scream "Dive!" :roll: Every time we get a slight bit of injury time "Ferguson influencing the ref's again" :roll: As proved yesterday, every late goal we score "Luck! Flukey! Jammy!" :roll: I could go on. But when these things happen to another team, do people care? :lol: Course not, probably don't even notice.
See above. And De Jong is built like a brick **** house. I've never seen anyone take him out. That tells a story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lYRNEfFDw0
He hardly ever puts a foot wrong. Ben Arfa as a accident, he got the ball.
But I do like his challenge on Anderson in this video. Again, nothing wrong with it. It's a mans game, get over it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSPfewsvAKg&feature=related
:lol: You say it's a man's game, yet yesterday you were complaining over Paul Scholes tackles. You've never seen De Jong take anyone out? What was the picture you posted from the World Cup then? Which you added by saying you hope he does it to Paul Scholes. :roll:
On to disappointing news it's looks as though Solskjaer will be leaving United to manage Molde. :cry: He's done a fantastic job with the reserves and will be sad to not see him apart of the club, but this job will give much more experience as a manager and maybe even one day return to the club in a managerial position with the first team. :)
20LEGEND.
Ole was cool!
I met him once.
It seems like your not going to have to face Balotelli even though we are appealing the card! Ah well, he will just have to destroy you in front of the Stretford End massive in Feb.
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 16:24
Aww man, oh well, well played Ole, hope he returns :D
20LEGEND
three3-times
11-08-2010, 18:38
nani is out. or fergie mind games. either way, taking our crap midfield to citeh without our most inform player dont bode well
I won't believe he's not playing until I see the team sheet.
I think midfield is where the game will be lost or won for both teams. Thankfully, we have De Jong back as he gives the team balance. And Yaya seems to picking up! He's like a steam train once he starts a run, impossible to stop!
It's going to be a good game!
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 19:00
We need our midfield trio of Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher in good form or it's game over for us.
Or we might go with Park off Berba with Scholes and Fletcher in midfield.
I don't know.
Gonna be a really tough game, hope we can get a win
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 19:01
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRBzgM2g6Y
We need our midfield trio of Carrick, Scholes and Fletcher in good form or it's game over for us.
Or we might go with Park off Berba with Scholes and Fletcher in midfield.
I don't know.
Gonna be a really tough game, hope we can get a win
Berba is now unlikely to be fit due to that virus and there not sure about Carrick, althought I expect both to end up playing.
Ole was cool!
I met him once.
It seems like your not going to have to face Balotelli even though we are appealing the card! Ah well, he will just have to destroy you in front of the Stretford End massive in Feb.
Same here! I got a picture with him about 4 years ago, was coming out of the pictures in Trafford Centre as he was going in with his wife and kids, he was very friendly :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZRBzgM2g6Y
LOL. You needed a bit of extra time to help you beat us! We're a different animal now! Watch what your saying, you could regret it on Wednesday!
Real Madrid are considering an audacious move for Manchester United striker Javier Hernandez .
According to the Spanish Cadena Ser radio network, Real Madrid boss José Mourinho is keen on bolstering his attack with the Mexican hit-man.
However, it's highly unlikely Manchester United would even entertain the idea of selling Hernandez.
The player nicknamed Chicharito, an IMScouting Player to Watch in January, has already shown his predatory finishing skills with seven goals in all competitions for his new club.
The 22-year-old has an efficiency ratio this season of a goal or assist every 131.3 minutes.
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Real-Madrid-mull-audacious-move-for-Manchester-United-striker-Javier-Hernandez/11874/
I understand why!
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 19:16
Hehe, I posted the video for laughs every game is different anything can and probably will happen! Still think we will come out on top though.
And no Hernandez isn't going anywhere unless it's a trade for Ronaldo or something.
City pretty much have a full strength side now.
United don't.
I believe it's in our favour for once! Betfair currently have City as favourites lol! Can't say that often.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 19:22
I don't know how many of the currently injured will be fit for City but I bet its a few of them. Should be one hell of a game.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 19:23
LOL. You needed a bit of extra time to help you beat us! We're a different animal now! Watch what your saying, you could regret it on Wednesday!
Don't forget the help you got for your 3 goals in that game.
Don't forget the help you got for your 3 goals in that game.
Ohhh. Because Rio is clumsy? And the fact that Tevez beat Foster to that ball fair and square to set up Barry's goal?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/09/25/article-0-06828BEC000005DC-711_468x351.jpg
I love that picture. It's like he's bowing down the brilliance.
Oh yeah guys. I know we have our rivalries and we have loadsa lol's in here but we're never as bitter as this lot:
http://www.westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=66044.0
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 19:37
Am I glad that we have VDS in goal this time, Foster was a disaster that game. Plus now you don't got Bellamy!
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 19:38
My point exactly, the gift of Rio cockiness and Ben Foster in goal.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 20:09
What worries me about the game is the midfield and Berba's drop of goal form but Hernandez looks like he can score on any chance right now so might not be a huge issue. Would have been nice to have Rooney on the bench at least.
Am I glad that we have VDS in goal this time, Foster was a disaster that game. Plus now you don't got Bellamy!
Foster > VDS
SAF didn't play Foster enough so how was the poor guy supposed to put in a good performance playing once every 2 months?
Foster is awesome and no one can deny, if you do then you're just a hater...
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 20:29
Foster is doing fine now but seriously VDS is a better GK, think he has proved that over the years.
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 20:29
Foster > VDS
SAF didn't play Foster enough so how was the poor guy supposed to put in a good performance playing once every 2 months?
Foster is awesome and no one can deny, if you do then you're just a hater...
Lol what? Foster had a good run in goal and just made mistake after mistake. When I went to see United play Sunderland last season he made a massive error for their goal and his kicking ability was *******s.
He's kinda like Tim Howard a great keeper for teams that haven't got alot of pressure but can't hack it at the big clubs unfortunately.
Shame though, I was desperate for him to succeed with us :(
Lol what? Foster had a good run in goal and just made mistake after mistake. When I went to see United play Sunderland last season he made a massive error for their goal and his kicking ability was *******s.
He's kinda like Tim Howard a great keeper for teams that haven't got alot of pressure but can't hack it at the big clubs unfortunately.
Shame though, I was desperate for him to succeed with us :(
Fair point. oh well.. one team's loss is another team's gain :D
Foster is doing fine now but seriously VDS is a better GK, think he has proved that over the years.
Foster's career has begun now.. and over the next few years you'll see how awesome this guy will become.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 20:35
Foster's career has begun now.. and over the next few years you'll see how awesome this guy will become.
As YMF said he will be a fine keeper for a smaller club he just can't cut it at a bigger one or on an international career. I hope he proves everyone wrong but I doubt it.
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 20:40
Yeah I like the guy, hope he becomes England's number one, one day.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 20:42
BTW, dc I assume you're going to the game? If you are take some pics but take nice pics this time, no City fan giving Giggs the finger :(
Yeah I like the guy, hope he becomes England's number one, one day.
Yep.. I hope so too.
Yeah I like the guy, hope he becomes England's number one, one day.
He'll have to displace Joe Hart.
BTW, dc I assume you're going to the game? If you are take some pics but take nice pics this time, no City fan giving Giggs the finger :(
I was going to go until work wouldn't let me take the day off! I finish work at 8pm, I'm going to swerve 15 mins early so I can get home and watch it on the TV. The *******s wouldn't even let me finish like 2 hours early meh :/
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 20:51
For any wrestling fans amongst us: MVP is ready for the derby!
http://a.yfrog.com/img585/5195/nrxt.jpg
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 20:51
He'll have to displace Joe Hart.
Didn't even think of that, that clearly won't happen Hart looks very good. Hmm maybe we should buy Hart to replace VDS :snicker
I was going to go until work wouldn't let me take the day off! I finish work at 8pm, I'm going to swerve 15 mins early so I can get home and watch it on the TV. The *******s wouldn't even let me finish like 2 hours early meh :/
Ah that sucks! Feel sorry for you, good news you can banter here with us :p (Maybe that won't be good, meh I just lock the thread if City wins :snicker )
I bet your glad this guy isn't playing
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20100127/23/384962058-27012010231701.jpg
http://d.yimg.com/i/ng/sp/empics/20090920/15/1481068104-20092009151331.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/28/article-1246884-080D1C7D000005DC-561_468x406.jpg
"You are ****. You are ****ing finished" Craig Bellamy*.
*He actually said that. True story.
For any wrestling fans amongst us: MVP is ready for the derby!
http://a.yfrog.com/img585/5195/nrxt.jpg
:lol: Never knew MVP was into football.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:04
I'm not surprised that Bellamy said that fits right in with his character. Smart move from City to get rid of one of their top performers from last season.
We just need this guy controlling the game like he so often does and the result will take care of itself...
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs569.ash2/149101_454400367745_7724542745_6068607_2380306_n.j pg
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 21:11
Loving the picture banter :D
I miss Bellamy. He had fire in his belly. He reminds me of this man who is now doing a great job as the manager of Oldham.
http://myfirstcitygame.com/wp-content/pics/Paul_Dickov_jpg.jpg
You want picture banter! How about this!
http://i54.tinypic.com/2u6gsk6.jpg
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 21:27
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manchester+United+v+Manchester+City+Premier+2oyoiQ G6WVDl.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00893/owen1_682x400_893090a.jpg
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:29
You want picture banter! How about this!
http://i54.tinypic.com/2u6gsk6.jpg
:lol:
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2010/1/19/1263945170178/Gary-Neville-finger-gestu-001.jpg
As it happened:
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manchester+City+v+Manchester+United+Carling+qJvhcl zPldql.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manchester+City+v+Manchester+United+Carling+SZQEuA fGzZgl.jpg
http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manchester+City+v+Manchester+United+Carling+2Uz_Ob K1eePl.jpg
http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Manchester+City+v+Manchester+United+Carling+snouEH BfL1al.jpg
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2010/1/20/1263994131073/Carlos-Tevez-gestures-to--001.jpg
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:35
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs463.ash2/73647_454399697745_7724542745_6068574_4561503_n.jp g
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs056.ash2/36181_454400207745_7724542745_6068596_6833580_n.jp g
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1119.snc4/148098_454399922745_7724542745_6068580_6686901_n.j pg
I hope you guys bring them flares again! There will be a lights out for sure to ramp up the atmosphere!
It's such a treat for those United fans to frequent such a beautiful, state of the art stadium. It's beautiful contours, no splits, no gaps, it's fluid. It's where the world cup games would be held!
Old Trafford isn't eligible as it doesn't meet Fifa requirements! Not enough space between pitch and stands and the biggest... the tunnel HAS to be on the halfway line.
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00433/benjani1_666x450_433647a.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44620000/jpg/_44620927_benjani_afp416.jpg
Below is probably the best I can find!
http://imgur.com/nVio2.jpg
The day we beat you on your special day.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:43
Speaking of special days or in this case a special moment.
http://www.buzzhollywood.com/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/1271397609/7744f_Gary-Neville-Paul-Scholes-20100417205544.jpg
Metal Warrior
11-08-2010, 21:49
He's a bit special that Gary Neville.
I hate Gary Neville.
Yeah special in the head but a very average player.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 21:52
Neville is more of a legend than any City player ever.
Legend to who exactly.
Because to me Colin Bell, Mike Summerbee & Dennis Law are 100X the legend he will ever be.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:56
Can't deny what an incredible career Neville has had though. 8 league titles, 3 FA cups, 2 Champions League's and many others! Over 600 appearances for United and a load of caps for England.
Can't deny what an incredible career Neville has had though. 8 league titles, 3 FA cups, 2 Champions League's and many others! Over 600 appearances for United and a load of caps for England.
Yeah I'm not denying that. I only said I hate the guy.
santinomarella
11-08-2010, 21:59
Yeah I'm not denying that. I only said I hate the guy.
You're apart of a very large list of people. :lol: :D
Metal Warrior
11-08-2010, 22:08
I hate Gary Neville.
Yeah special in the head but a very average player.
A strange player. He's never looked like a particularly gifted player, but his incredible drive has always more than made up for that. Seems only logical you'd hate him though.
Tutankhamun
11-08-2010, 22:24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv4254r0lQs
Doron Salmon (http://twitter.com/DoronSalomon/status/1750263257890816) tweeted that link.
He can cross a ball though, I'll give him that much.
StaticAge
11-08-2010, 22:38
Put ITV on.
yourmumsface17
11-08-2010, 23:55
So many great pics in this thread. But the question remains who will be posting the pictures come Thursday morning.
You will find out after the break...
StaticAge
11-09-2010, 00:07
Manchester United are hopeful that Nani will be fit for Wednesday night's derby clash with rivals City at Eastlands.
The Portuguese winger limped out of last week's Champions League victory in Bursaspor with a groin strain and has been a doubt for the much-awaited clash.
However, it is understood that the 23-year-old has made good progress in his rehabilitation over the weekend and has a good chance of making Sir Alex Ferguson's starting line-up.
Fingers crossed :D
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 00:12
Haha apparently on Raw tonight the face divas had Man United shirts and the heel divas had Liverpool shirts on... Pretty sure Raw was in London tonight lol, bet the crowd didn't know what to do.
EDIT: Ok apparently it was in Manchester, now it makes sense.
(Expecting United fans in London jokes from Dc :D)
Who doesn't hate Neville? Well except Manchester United fans. :lol:
He way he acts just irks me... Chicarito, Ji Sung Park, and Torres though are a few examples of players hard to hate.
StaticAge
11-09-2010, 00:21
He way he acts just irks me... Chicarito, Ji Sung Park, and Torres though are a few examples of players hard to hate.
http://threadbombing.com/data/media/2/lollerskates.gif
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 11:30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_FC9gS-zw&feature=grec_index
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 11:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_FC9gS-zw&feature=grec_index
Can we make a clone of him? It will be impossible to find a replacement.
EDIT:
Sir Alex Ferguson reveals injury concerns for derby
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/49857000/jpg/_49857853_ferguson_466x282pa.jpg
Manchester United's preparations for the derby at Manchester City have been hampered by injuries and a virus affecting some of their players.
United manager Sir Alex Ferguson has ruled Ryan Giggs and Owen Hargreaves out of the game, while Nani is a doubt.
"Ryan is out," said Ferguson. "Nani is doubtful. At this stage it doesn't look as if he will make it."
A virus has also put a doubt over several players and Ferguson added: "We are counting heads at the moment."
Giggs has been denied the chance of making a record 34th derby outing because of a hamstring injury, while Nani is struggling with the groin problem he suffered in the Champions League win at Bursaspor.
Hargreaves faces five weeks out after going off after 10 minutes in the 2-1 win over Wolves last Saturday as he made his long awaited comeback.
That victory moved Ferguson's side two points behind Premier League leaders Chelsea, who were beaten at Liverpool, while City are just three points adrift of United heading into the derby.
"There is nothing more satisfying than winning a derby game," added Ferguson. "It doesn't matter what year it is or when it is."
United won both league games with injury-time winners last season and also emerged victorious from their two-legged Carling Cup semi-final.
Although City embarked on a major spending spree in the summer, Ferguson insisted this did not guarantee silverware.
"If clubs have money and want to spend it, they will," said Ferguson. "Chelsea did the same. So did Sunderland back in the 1950s.
"It is not an unusual thing. It is a fact of life. The only difference is that City is an untapped well at the moment.
"But it is difficult to say whether it is inevitable they are going to win the league at some point.
"Obviously, in many people's eyes, having the money is a lot better than not having it.
"But it is still a difficult league to win. City recognise that themselves."
More to follow.
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9170997.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Not good, not good at all.
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 12:01
Can we make a clone of him? It will be impossible to find a replacement.
EDIT:
Source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/9170997.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Not good, not good at all.
It is worrying scarily it looks like are line up could easily be
VDS
Rafael
Rio
Vidic (if recovered)
Evra (if recovered)
Oberatan
Scholes (if recovered)
Fletcher
Park
Hernandez
Macheda
Berba doubtful, Nani doubtful, Giggs out. or even more scary we might have O'Shea in midfield and macheda on bench.
Not looking good. But I am sure atleast a couple will recover in time.
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 12:32
Yeah, was hoping Rooney could be a part but that was not to be.
Saw this on Twitter:
Telegraph is reporting that Nani will play in the Manchester derby. A huge boost to our squad if this is true! #mufc
Kyle Diller (http://twitter.com/#!/KDill_MUFC/status/1905133394853888)
Hope that's true!
Yeah, was hoping Rooney could be a part but that was not to be.
I'm beginning to think Rooney will never play for us again... there's a small part of me that actually thinks that. The long vacation, then sending him to the US the regain match fitness even though we have a state of the art facility... I'm thinking he might still be gone come January.
three3-times
11-09-2010, 13:26
if our squad is really that ****ed up and its not fergie mind game, i will be SO glad with a point, i dont rate citeh, but at present we are taking a carling cup team there!!!
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 13:31
I'm beginning to think Rooney will never play for us again... there's a small part of me that actually thinks that. The long vacation, then sending him to the US the regain match fitness even though we have a state of the art facility... I'm thinking he might still be gone come January.
I doubt it, I think the US trip is more about him getting fitness back without the media and it's working from what I've seen Rooney hasn't been in the media this week. I think this is about him getting back stronger than ever.
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 13:50
I hope Rooney goes in January, would be good for the team.
Unless he comes back in absolutely awesome form and fires us to a treble I can't see myself forgiving him for a loooong time. Would rather just see the back of him now.
What do you lot think of Obertan... apart from looking like an old pedophile that is
When watching both your games against Wolves recently I was struck by how he has such an arrogance and selfishness about his play but never did anything good to warrant it. Seems to think he's miles better than he is
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 13:57
I hope Rooney goes in January, would be good for the team.
Unless he comes back in absolutely awesome form and fires us to a treble I can't see myself forgiving him for a loooong time. Would rather just see the back of him now.
The guy scored over 30 last year, love to have him here for the foreseeable future.
What do you lot think of Obertan... apart from looking like an old pedophile that is
When watching both your games against Wolves recently I was struck by how he has such an arrogance and selfishness about his play but never did anything good to warrant it. Seems to think he's miles better than he is
Great talent, could be class could be sold in a few years you never know. Not to worried about selfishness most young players is like that. Nani was too and he worked that out.
Metal Warrior
11-09-2010, 14:11
What do you lot think of Obertan... apart from looking like an old pedophile that is
When watching both your games against Wolves recently I was struck by how he has such an arrogance and selfishness about his play but never did anything good to warrant it. Seems to think he's miles better than he is
I don't think he'll make it at United to be honest. Not writing him off, it's way too soon for that, but he hasn't really impressed me. He obviously has some talent, but that's not enough. He'll have to show he can improve mentally.
I'm beginning to think Rooney will never play for us again... there's a small part of me that actually thinks that. The long vacation, then sending him to the US the regain match fitness even though we have a state of the art facility... I'm thinking he might still be gone come January.
Your not the only one to think that. I think he's gone to the US to get fit, find his form, then you get the ultimate amount of money for him in Jan.
Tevez is at it in the papers this morning, saying he's not regretted moving across to City and he hopes one day Rooney will join him...
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 14:44
And I hope to one day **** Scarlett Johansson, both me and Tevez will miss out.
if you are wanting a huge amount of money for Rooney ask yourself this.
Who are (is) the only club(s) that can offer any amount of money you ask for?
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 14:59
We don't want to sell Rooney I think the new contract and the press conference from SAF said as much. But I'll play:
Milan
Real Madrid
Inter
Chelsea
Manchester City
And United would never sell Rooney or anyone else to City.
If Rooney goes, there's a small part of me that hopes it's to City. It'd cause a massive uproar at OT and the chain-reaction it'd set off would be catastrophic for the Glazers.
manutdfan
11-09-2010, 15:15
Rooney will be at United for a long time now after signing new contract. We'd be made to let him go. Not many United fans would like to see him only only a small handful would.
People have forgot all about what happened now. Plus Rooney has been out of the papers recently, low profile.
If Rooney goes, there's a small part of me that hopes it's to City. It'd cause a massive uproar at OT and the chain-reaction it'd set off would be catastrophic for the Glazers.
This. It could be a brilliant move in the long term future of the club!
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 15:48
Give your head a shake.
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 16:06
What do you lot think of Obertan... apart from looking like an old pedophile that is
When watching both your games against Wolves recently I was struck by how he has such an arrogance and selfishness about his play but never did anything good to warrant it. Seems to think he's miles better than he is
I think he has all the tools to make it, he has a certain arrogance about him I agree and I would also agree that he has done nothing to warrant such arrogance, but neither did Ronaldo when he first arrived.
I think if anything players need to become selfish up their own *** ****s to become a top player, it's a requirement. You have to like the smell of your own poo to really become a top player.
Lets take the example of Henry (purely because he is also french and has the same stupid shaped cranium as Obertan lol) he was an arrogant ******* but he was one of the best players to play in the premier league.
..and yes he looks like a paedo lol
Metal Warrior
11-09-2010, 16:18
I think he has all the tools to make it, he has a certain arrogance about him I agree and I would also agree that he has done nothing to warrant such arrogance, but neither did Ronaldo when he first arrived.
I think if anything players need to become selfish up their own *** ****s to become a top player, it's a requirement. You have to like the smell of your own poo to really become a top player.
Lets take the example of Henry (purely because he is also french and has the same stupid shaped cranium as Obertan lol) he was an arrogant ******* but he was one of the best players to play in the premier league.
..and yes he looks like a paedo lol
I disagree. For every Ronaldo, you get 10 Quaresmas (obviously pulled out of my arse but just to make a point). Yeah sometimes the arrogance and audacity to believe you can achieve the impossible can help a player, like Ronaldo. But you've got to remember those are extremely rare and in all other cases that arrogance is NOT a good thing, especially when it leans more towards nonchalance. The point is if Obertan doesn't improve the mental aspect of his game, he has a lot more chance to become a Quaresma than a Ronaldo, while if he would look at players like Valencia and Park more, he'd have a much greater chance of becoming United quality.
three3-times
11-09-2010, 16:51
Ole is gonna take over at molde in jan :(
hes been great looking after our reserves and a true legend.
rooney aint going anywhere
and tut, i removed your pic!!!
Take this with a pinch of salt. It's from Bluemoon.
Haha my rag mate is ****ting it, he just said 'if you don't beat us tomorrow, you should be embarrassed'. He just forwarded an email from some rag who always gets the team selection news straight from carrington, says he is ALWAYS spot on and is defo in the know.
I quote...
Quote:
Just been to carrington and fergie is actually telling the truth for once. no one could name one player who will defo start.Nani and giggs over injuries, have got slight bug, hotel for tonight cancelled and see who turns up fit in morning. Will still beat them giddy blue ****s anyway
LMAO
Also, Silva tips Tevez to 'Explode'.
three3-times
11-09-2010, 16:54
we aint got no squad
am dreading DC after 9.45pm tomorrow!!!
So who is actually sick at United then?
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 17:04
They haven't said I think. YMF posted a nice summary given the info we have. Only new tidbit is that Nani could make it.
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 17:07
I disagree. For every Ronaldo, you get 10 Quaresmas (obviously pulled out of my arse but just to make a point). Yeah sometimes the arrogance and audacity to believe you can achieve the impossible can help a player, like Ronaldo. But you've got to remember those are extremely rare and in all other cases that arrogance is NOT a good thing, especially when it leans more towards nonchalance. The point is if Obertan doesn't improve the mental aspect of his game, he has a lot more chance to become a Quaresma than a Ronaldo, while if he would look at players like Valencia and Park more, he'd have a much greater chance of becoming United quality.
Hmm interesting point. But if you do not believe in yourself, if you do not strive to be the best then you aren't going to be. But yes if you get nonchalance and think you've made it then it's over. I'm pretty sure Fergie will make sure he won't get like this.
I am unsure on him, I think he's really talented, we will see in the future how good he can become.
manutdfan
11-09-2010, 17:20
We will have to see who starts tomorrow but not sure it will be a very strong side wit this bug and injuries.
Following from last nights picture banter!
http://i46.tinypic.com/20jmy55.gif
http://i45.tinypic.com/j7awcn.jpg
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 19:07
Terez? lol
StaticAge
11-09-2010, 19:38
http://i52.tinypic.com/fwirs0.gif
manutdfan
11-09-2010, 20:07
Thing is theres a lot more pics or people scoring against Man City than the other way around. 3-1 in head to heads last year also.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/16/article-1266642-092B2BC7000005DC-319_468x286.jpg
You harp on about history. There's a little bit in that picture.
santinomarella
11-09-2010, 20:55
We were heading down anyway with the draw. Law's goal made no difference.
Tutankhamun
11-09-2010, 21:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz8084sSxJU
Cute!
manutdfan
11-09-2010, 22:12
http://i52.tinypic.com/fwirs0.gif
Man what a moment that was!!!!!!!!!
yourmumsface17
11-09-2010, 23:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7aZdfPCJkU
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 08:17
Derby day! Get those predictions rolling!
I think we will win 0-1 can't predict the starting 11 seems impossible, but give it a shot if you think you can :lol:
No red cards, 5-6 yellows. And Nani will score our goal :)
yourmumsface17
11-10-2010, 09:39
I'll give a line up a guess.
VDS
Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Scholes
Carrick
Fletcher
Park
Berba
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 09:55
I hope you're wrong I don't think Berba is that good on his own, especially now when he seems to have lost his goalscoring nose.
yourmumsface17
11-10-2010, 10:28
Berba will be fine if he gets good support, I think this is built for a set piece to win it for someone. Or you know 0-0 1-1.
I don't think Hernandez can hack it up on his own, I know Berba has had his share of bad games on his own but has had the odd decent one.
I can see a really competitive game and a red card as well.
Hope United can do it. If United win today I will believe we can win our title back.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 10:35
Wouldn't a 442 be better though? But then again I couldn't tell you who should go from midfield. Don't know, wouldn't surprise me if you're right.
yourmumsface17
11-10-2010, 10:38
If we go 4-4-2 we could get overrun in the middle. It's gonna be a good game. Hard to call.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 10:45
True, should be interesting no doubt. If we win and Chelsea lose we're number one again!
In other news we might be going after Alexis Sanchez.
http://www.espnstar.com/football/premier-league/news/detail/item526157/United-ready-to-splash-the-cash/
I hope that's true, think he would be class for us.
yourmumsface17
11-10-2010, 10:48
Chelsea won't lose tonight. Not within the realm of possibilities. I can see the gap being 4 points after tonight :(
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 11:10
We got to believe!
Bingo!
Yup. Tbh, only United fans find me annoying.
Btw guys. Just been to my local coffee house where I overheard a conversation between the guy serving and a customer. Turns out they are both United fans and they were talking about the Derby match! The customer reckons City will win 3-1! I was like, this can't be right.
Not united fan lol. Actually don't support any team in epl. Way late reply but there is something annoying and can't place it. >_<
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 12:29
I'll give a line up a guess.
VDS
Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Scholes
Carrick
Fletcher
Park
Berba
Yeah this shouldn't be far out maybe Obertan for Nani if he don't make it.
I'm predicting 1-1.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 13:03
Its derby day! Here's Evra's views on the match.... :lol:
The France international claims City said last season that they were in the process of overtaking their bitter rivals but, when it came to the crunch, United came out on top on the pitch.
He said:"They always say that and they never beat us. We don't care what people say.
"I can say it would be nice to beat Manchester City because it is a special game, it is the derby and everyone wants to win, but it is not the priority. The priority for us is to win the league.
"When we start the league season we think about winning every game. We don't just need to win against Manchester City, we look to win the league, that's it.
"If we beat City, it is a good result for Manchester United. It will be normal, but it will not be so special."
three3-times
11-10-2010, 13:13
I'll give a line up a guess.
VDS
Rafael
Rio
Vidic
Evra
Nani
Scholes
Carrick
Fletcher
Park
Berba
best team we can put out atm, we need to flood the midfield as thats were citeh are at their strongest
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 13:24
Haha :p SAF had somethings to say too: <br />
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The Guardian <br />
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The man speaks the truth!
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 13:34
It is true they do get carried away. I laughed at the comment saying I'm sure their fans would rather see a trophy being paraded through the city. :lol: Although I disagree with what he said about City fans being embarrassed by it, it's the type of thing that would amuse them, proved by the fact of how many times that welcome to Manchester banner has been posted in here and I'm sure will be posted again.
When seeing what Sir Alex says about City in the build up for these games it's clear how much he hates City and I love that! :twisted:
as a neutral im really looking forward to the game tonight. i reckon city will edge it, my guess is a 3-2 thriller, 2-2 and in the 90th minute tevez smashes one from 25 yars.
three3-times
11-10-2010, 13:48
cant belive none of you fassyole wastemans haev even mentioned or paid tribute to ole20
Apart from CL 99, my fav ole moments was the red card v Newcastle and the 4 off the bench against Forest
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 14:12
I'm looking forward to the game tonight it's nice to see these derby games more competitve.
Ferguson is a hypocrite, Man U have finacially bullied the rest of the league for 15 years.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 14:23
Ferguson is a hypocrite, Man U have finacially bullied the rest of the league for 15 years.
Point out where he complained about City's money.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 14:41
Ferguson is a hypocrite, Man U have finacially bullied the rest of the league for 15 years.
Here we go again.
United have never spent in one season what Man City have. Also like Tut said where does it say Fergie is moaning about it, he's just mentioning it.
I gotta agree with Cyn. To say you weren't in the past would be denial of the truth. :lol: It would be like denying that Barcelona are bullies in la liga.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 14:50
The difference being United have been strong in the transfer market because they have been successful on the pitch, City have not and have a power in the market because of their new wealth.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 14:51
I gotta agree with Cyn. To say you weren't in the past would be denial of the truth. :lol: It would be like denying that Barcelona are bullies in la liga.
But we've never spent the sort of amounts that City have in the last two seasons, or what Chelsea have in the past.
Like I said Barcelona are sucessful as well and the same could be said for them.
This all goes back to the need of caps in the transfer market which should have been done ages ago...
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 14:56
Yeah and Barcelona have also been successful on the pitch, therefore they have essentially earned their money, like United. City have their money from their owner and not their footballing achievements, and before DC jumps in to reiterate City have a history, I'm talking recent years.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 14:57
I don't see what you guys (Firefox and Cyn) are coming from, SAF never says anything about the amount of money City have to spend or have spent. He's talking about them getting carried away which is true. Read the article again.
I am just commenting on the fact that this uncapped transfer market breeds bullies out of bigger clubs (includes Manchester United, Manchester City, Barcelona etc...) I haven't read any article since I am on my bb now.
Seems like even though I make an unbiased observation about the market I still get accused of hating your club and manager. *sigh*
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:09
I am just commenting on the fact that this uncapped transfer market breeds bullies out of bigger clubs (includes Manchester United, Manchester City, Barcelona etc...) I haven't read any article since I am on my bb now.
Seems like even though I make an unbiased observation about the market I still get accused of hating your club and manager. *sigh*
No but this is the quote from Cyn:
Ferguson is a hypocrite, Man U have finacially bullied the rest of the league for 15 years.
In which he responded to the article I have to assume. You said you agree with Cyn and I pointed out to Cyn that SAF did not say City were not entitled to spend money. That was not what the article stated.
This is from the article and these are the only parts that touch on money:
Ferguson has made no secret of his dislike of the modern-day City and his tone hardened when it was put to him that the vast finances coming in from Abu Dhabi left United facing a considerable challenge. "Excuse me, but it was Chelsea who won the league," he said firmly. "That's our challenge. We have to chase Chelsea, and if you don't recognise who won the league then you're very foolish."
Ferguson's impression of the club he has described as United's "noisy neighbours" is not improved by the sense that Wayne Rooney had been made aware of the huge financial riches on offer at City before his recent contract dispute at Old Trafford. Ferguson said he could not answer questions on the subject because there had been no official approach, but it is widely known that Cook and his colleagues were optimistic of Rooney joining them. "That's them," Ferguson said when pressed further. "Don't ask me, Christ."
As one can tell SAF doesn't even comment on City's finances.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 15:10
No one's accused you of anything, it's called a discussion. But it's not really an unbiased view, considering you're an Arsenal fan.
Here we go again.
United have never spent in one season what Man City have. Also like Tut said where does it say Fergie is moaning about it, he's just mentioning it.
When managers just 'mention' things it's because they want attention on a subject, especially someone like Ferguson. They all play mind games and seek advantages. He wouldn't have said anything if he didn't want to air his views. He is definitely feeling the squeeze I reckon and all I can say is it's just deserts for bullying the rest of the league for so long.
You can say the money City are spending is much higher but that is ignoring the inflationary effect, every year there is more money in football, ticket prices always go up, there's always more money from Sky, the CL money goes up every year. City spending 30-40 million on every player now is no different to you spending 20-30 million on every player 10 years ago. £30 million for Rio is still an insane amount. Add in the inflation, how much would that be in this market? Over 50
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 15:17
Yeah Fire your an Arsenal fan so your not unbiased.
Fergie was saying to City win some trophies first, don't get carried away.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:18
When managers just 'mention' things it's because they want attention on a subject, especially someone like Ferguson. They all play mind games and seek advantages. He wouldn't have said anything if he didn't want to air his views. He is definitely feeling the squeeze I reckon and all I can say is it's just deserts for bullying the rest of the league for so long.
You can say the money City are spending is much higher but that is ignoring the inflationary effect, every year there is more money in football, ticket prices always go up, there's always more money from Sky, the CL money goes up every year. City spending 30-40 million on every player now is no different to you spending 20-30 million on every player 10 years ago. £30 million for Rio is still an insane amount. Add in the inflation, how much would that be in this market? Over 50
But he didn't mention the amount City was spending! He talked about and criticized them getting over excited and carried away and he talked about the Welcome To Manchester ad they had when Tevez signed there. That's all.
A cap on the transfer market wouldn't have changed our transfers since Fergie's arrival because we've always spent what we've earned, we're not Chelsea or City. Just because not every club buys some 14yr old Lithuanian wonderkid for the price of an iPod Shuffle doesn't mean they're overspending.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 15:25
When managers just 'mention' things it's because they want attention on a subject, especially someone like Ferguson. They all play mind games and seek advantages. He wouldn't have said anything if he didn't want to air his views. He is definitely feeling the squeeze I reckon and all I can say is it's just deserts for bullying the rest of the league for so long.
You can say the money City are spending is much higher but that is ignoring the inflationary effect, every year there is more money in football, ticket prices always go up, there's always more money from Sky, the CL money goes up every year. City spending 30-40 million on every player now is no different to you spending 20-30 million on every player 10 years ago. £30 million for Rio is still an insane amount. Add in the inflation, how much would that be in this market? Over 50
Yes but when we paid big money for a player we didn't spend much more on other players.
But he didn't mention the amount City was spending! He talked about and criticized them getting over excited and carried away and he talked about the Welcome To Manchester ad they had when Tevez signed there. That's all.
He has spoken about it loads of times, I remember clearly once at the start of the season
here http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1314126_rivals_spending_is_kamikaze__ferguson
He had a moan about it the other day too http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html)
"We know the kind of money they're spending — they've bought another five or six players in the summer — and they'll keep doing that until they win something."
Wouldn't you class that as talking about their money?
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html)
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:28
He has spoken about it loads of times, I remember clearly once at the start of the season
here http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1314126_rivals_spending_is_kamikaze__ferguson
He had a moan about it the other day too http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html)
"We know the kind of money they're spending — they've bought another five or six players in the summer — and they'll keep doing that until they win something."
Wouldn't you class that as talking about their money?
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3217778/Ferguson-City-will-buy-a-trophy.html)
But where's the hypocrite part? Where did he say that he didn't spend money?
He doesn't have to say that to be a hypocrite lol. Though if he did say that, he'd be a liar
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 15:30
Still ignoring my point and what Demiant said is that United have only spent the money they have earned, City are spending the money given to them by some billionaire. Since this is football you can easily see peoples complaints over what City are doing.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:33
He doesn't have to say that to be a hypocrite lol. Though if he did say that, he'd be a liar
But you said SAF was a hypocrite, provide evidence to that effect or GTFO.
Still ignoring my point and what Demiant said is that United have only spent the money they have earned, City are spending the money given to them by some billionaire. Since this is football you can easily see peoples complaints over what City are doing.
Of course I can see the complaints, what they and Chelsea have done has effected us as much as anyone. As far as dirty money goes, if their oil money really that much worse than the Man United marketing machine?
I'm just saying that for years you were the only financial powerhouse in the playground and you bullied other teams. Now you are not the richest and like everyone else Ferguson has to find workarounds and he doesn't like it
But you said SAF was a hypocrite, provide evidence to that effect or GTFO.
Moaning about their money makes him a hypocrite!!!!!!
You asked for evidence of him moaning about their money and I gave it to you, what more do you want?
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 15:39
We've bought a lot of youth players through the system. Not when out and spent 100's millions in one transfer window.
We might have spent £30 million on one player but not very often and then haven't spent much more on other players. Where as Man City as of June 1 2009, £185.2m had been spent on transfers and this was followed by a further £145.4m in the following 12 months. United have never spent this sort of money.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:39
Moaning about their money makes him a hypocrite!!!!!!
You asked for evidence of him moaning about their money and I gave it to you, what more do you want?
No it doesn't a hypocrite would say that City isn't entitled to spend money and then spend money themselves in the links you posted SAF never says he hasn't spent money.
Once again I am commenting generally on the market and you guys think I am responding to ferguson's comments about city.
Ok then seeking a capped market somehow relates to me being an Arsenal fan... which makes me biased? If you guys don't think big clubs become bullies and gain a lot in such a market then idk what to say.
Tut watches the NHL and knows the capped system works to eliminate this advantage and 'bullies' so I know at least Tut can't deny this fact. :p
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 15:44
Of course I can see the complaints, what they and Chelsea have done has effected us as much as anyone. As far as dirty money goes, if their oil money really that much worse than the Man United marketing machine?
I'm just saying that for years you were the only financial powerhouse in the playground and you bullied other teams. Now you are not the richest and like everyone else Ferguson has to find workarounds and he doesn't like it
There's nothing wrong with marketing a lot of clubs are bound to be jealous of Man Uniteds global brand and how well supported they are across the world.
We've never spent massive money in a season, Fegie has bought bargains like Schmeichel, Solksjaer etc over the years.
How is he a hypocrite? City spend money they only got because of their owners. They're spending way more than what they make a year. We never do.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 15:45
Of course I can see the complaints, what they and Chelsea have done has effected us as much as anyone. As far as dirty money goes, if their oil money really that much worse than the Man United marketing machine?
I'm just saying that for years you were the only financial powerhouse in the playground and you bullied other teams. Now you are not the richest and like everyone else Ferguson has to find workarounds and he doesn't like it
I can see your point but Manchester United the marketing machine as you put it has established itself because of on the pitch success, when United won league titles and other cups, they're on Sky more, they're getting bigger sponsorship deals etc... They have essentially become a world wide corporation which brings in a hell of a lot of money but that all started out because of being the top team in England. With City they are potentially heading in a similar direction but it has happened because of a takeover and not the kind of success that United have seen in the Premier League years. In my opinion that is what Ferguson's main dislike for modern day City is about.
We've bought a lot of youth players through the system. Not when out and spent 100's millions in one transfer window.
We might have spent £30 million on one player but not very often and then haven't spent much more on other players. Where as Man City as of June 1 2009, £185.2m had been spent on transfers and this was followed by a further £145.4m in the following 12 months. United have never spent this sort of money.
Of course you haven't but 10 years ago the chasm between the top spender (you) and everyone else was of similar size to what it is today with City and everyone else. As I said before, the inflationary effect distorts the numbers.
I'm not trying to defend City by the way, they and Chelsea's unnatural rise from mediocrity disgusts me.
No it doesn't a hypocrite would say that City isn't entitled to spend money and then spend money themselves in the links you posted SAF never says he hasn't spent money.
Don't think you understand the term ;)
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 15:46
Once again I am commenting generally on the market and you guys think I am responding to ferguson's comments about city.
Ok then seeking a capped market somehow relates to me being an Arsenal fan... which makes me biased? If you guys don't think big clubs become bullies and gain a lot in such a market then idk what to say.
Tut watches the NHL and knows the capped system works to eliminate this advantage and 'bullies' so I know at least Tut can't deny this fact. :p
I think a misunderstanding has happened, I took it as Cyn responded that SAF was a hypocrite because of the comments in the article posted. You agreed with Cyn and I said I didn't get where SAF came out as a hypocrite in that article. But it seems you were speaking generally about the amounts spent in football which I agree should be capped like in the NHL.
Don't think you understand the term ;)
Okay let's play that card.
hypocrite |ˈhipəˌkrit|
noun
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
hypocrite
noun
I've been made to feel inadequate my whole life by someone who turns out to be a total hypocrite: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint; informal phony, fraud, sham, fake.
How has SAF done that?
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 15:51
There's no point in talking about a cap cause that's just a pipe dream isn't going to happen. I'm not complaining about the money City are spending BTW, cause if United were bought by a rich owner and he put vast amounts of money into the club I wouldn't be moaning. Which could happen in the future.
Okay let's play that card.
How has SAF done that?
You didn't actually define it
here
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
He is moaning about them doing what United have done for years. Where the money comes from is of little consequence to this.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 16:03
You didn't actually define it
here
a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
He is moaning about them doing what United have done for years. Where the money comes from is of little consequence to this.
But he wasn't saying that City isn't entitled to spend money! That would be a different matter.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 16:12
I think Ferguson's comments related to City's financial power are not that they have it (Chelsea have/had it and we still bounced back to win 3 league titles in a row and a Champions League) It's how they got it. Yeah United have huge financial success from sponsorships and other non football related stuff but there has also been huge footballing success to add to it. With City it's simple, billionaire owner gives billions to spend. No recent footballing success to go with the high power they now have.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 16:12
Who on here out of the Man United fans would be moaning if one of the richest people on the planet bought Man United and pumped in vast amounts of money.
Then we bought Akinfeev/Lloris/De Gea/Neuer, Simon Kjaer/Phil Jones/Neven Subotic, Rodwell/Huddletsone, Hamsik/Gourcuff, Alexis Sanchez/Bale, Djezko/Huntelaar/Suarez etc.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 16:17
Who on here out of the Man United fans would be moaning if one of the richest people on the planet bought Man United and pumped in vast amounts of money.
Then we bought Akinfeev/Lloris/De Gea/Neuer, Simon Kjaer/Phil Jones/Neven Subotic, Rodwell/Huddletsone, Hamsik/Gourcuff, Alexis Sanchez/Bale, Djezko/Huntelaar/Suarez etc.
I rather we try and develop trough the academy, obviously you need to spend sometimes but I don't want us to lose our soul.
santinomarella
11-10-2010, 16:18
Who on here out of the Man United fans would be moaning if one of the richest people on the planet bought Man United and pumped in vast amounts of money.
Then we bought Akinfeev/Lloris/De Gea/Neuer, Simon Kjaer/Phil Jones/Neven Subotic, Rodwell/Huddletsone, Hamsik/Gourcuff, Alexis Sanchez/Bale, Djezko/Huntelaar/Suarez etc.
No one. But United are already a top team, we wouldn't need to buy a whole new team to compete at the top, it would be a few top players to complete the squad and probably a lot of youth for the future. City were a top half team who needed to buy a whole team to compete at the top. There would not be as much change like there has been with City if we got a billionaire owner. Might be a different story with a new manager though. It's like cheating on a management game to get billions to spend, you go and buy a whole team of players to make the team your own.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 16:19
I rather we try and develop trough the academy, obviously you need to spend sometimes but I don't want us to lose our soul.
No but we need to sign a few players can't bring them all through the system plus a lot of those players I mentioned are young. We def need to go out and buy a keeper, we also need another defensive midfielder a young one and then a creative midfielder. Thats all we need at the moment i think, maybe a few other young players for the future. Thats why I mentioned Phil Jones and the other young defenders.
Thats 5, 6 players to strengthen an already strong squad, but numbers could be slimmed down. Don't have to get all those names mentioned. not sure we need a striker depends if Fergie thinks Macheda is good enough.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 16:25
No but we need to sign a few players can't bring them all through the system plus a lot of those players I mentioned are young. We def need to go out and buy a keeper, we also need another defensive midfielder a young one and then a creative midfielder. Thats all we need at the moment i think, maybe a few other young players for the future. Thats why I mentioned Phil Jones at the other young defenders.
Sure, but us going out and buying a new staring eleven would be rather discomforting. But getting young guys into the system and getting proper replacements where you mentioned I would welcome that! Let's see what SAF has up his sleeves in January and this coming summer. Did you see that link I posted about us being interested in Sanchez? That's probably the player I want the most.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 16:30
Sure, but us going out and buying a new staring eleven would be rather discomforting. But getting young guys into the system and getting proper replacements where you mentioned I would welcome that! Let's see what SAF has up his sleeves in January and this coming summer. Did you see that link I posted about us being interested in Sanchez? That's probably the player I want the most.
Yeah I've heard a lot of good things about him Sanchez he's got great acceleration and dribbling skills. Would be a great buy.
We must need to bring a few new faces in. Nothing drastic. New Keeper, defensive mid, attacking mid. Will do for now.
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 16:38
Yeah that would be the optimal solution, Amos looks good so if we buy a GK we have two good GK's for the future which is where you want to be imo. Totally agree on the mid it needs work.
StaticAge
11-10-2010, 17:10
Rio, Vidic, Evra, Berba, Scholes, Fletch all fit to start for Man Utd tonight after virus. Nani over injury and should start #MUFC #MCFCI hope so :)
Tutankhamun
11-10-2010, 17:15
That would be incredible! Come on Red Devils crush those City dicks!
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 17:27
I hope so :)
Good news if true!!!
UNITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you see the spray paint job some low life scum painted on a City pub.
Stuff about Mark Vivien Foe. Disgraceful. Even United fans on Redcafe have gone mental over it.
Ironic thing is, although it is a City pub a United fan owns it.
Just good Mary D's and click news.
manutdfan
11-10-2010, 17:39
The clock is ticking not too long to go now....
Also DC you should change your title to remember that reach around.