The Manchester United Thread

[Tutankhamun]

That's just bizarre, why is it mirrored? That's not the goal I saw. :lol:

Wtf :p I didn't even notice :D


Allow me to provide the after the game entertainment lads

source of butthurt = Bluemoon

Premature "Rooney is rubbish" (http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=207848)

Meetup for the aftergame celebration (http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=207627)

Staff shouldnt show a bit of class FFS (http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=207892)

:lol:

cocky city fans http://209.85.12.232/4562/36/emo/grouplaugh.gif

And :lol: at this :D

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Some cool pictures:

http://grab.by/grabs/bd9385a989fd01c63d9e73b13078f1d0.png

From Man United official site (http://www.manutd.com/en/Fanzone/Wallpapers/Matches-Category.aspx)

http://grab.by/grabs/b4f8600d1881098f9b7c3ed7799a1d3c.png

From Twitpic (http://twitpic.com/3z1ez8)

[dc89]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iSICCdVNHB8/SmYGmWTN7FI/AAAAAAAAAjY/VRYxEsCRE40/s400/egg-on-face.jpg

[manutdfan]

Was just a half blue moon today.

[Tutankhamun]

Here's the goal in HD, it's slowed down but that makes it look eve more cool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvSxcmKXlQ0

Found the video on my new favorite forum Red Cafe ;)

[StaticAge]

Found the video on my new favorite forum Red Cafe ;)

:mrgreen:

[Tutankhamun]

So Arsenal won, they are good this season in the end it could be a very tight race between mainly us and them.

And look at that, Sunderland are leading against Spurs.

[dc89]

Still so many big games left to play! I even wouldn't rule Chelsea out at this point!

[manutdfan]

Here's the goal in HD, it's slowed down but that makes it look eve more cool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvSxcmKXlQ0

Found the video on my new favorite forum Red Cafe ;)

I was watching the whole game in HD.

[Tutankhamun]

I was watching the whole game in HD.

Lucky you!

This was an epic rant :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7de13h22F6A

They guy lost it in live TV. Oh well at least he's very clean looking.

[dc89]

I wouldn't say he lost it. If anything he made a brilliant point but put it over badly.

Summerbee is a legend, you knows won't know that though (naturally). He played before most of us were born, but when he played boy he was good. I've met him, had my photo took with him etc.

[Tutankhamun]

The guy lost it, thought he'd get an hart attack for a while.

[manutdfan]

Lucky you!

This was an epic rant :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7de13h22F6A

They guy lost it in live TV. Oh well at least he's very clean looking.

Yeah guys a clown. You wouldn't see Bobby Charlton reacting like that. Sky are on a poor run at the moment.

[yourmumsface17]

A quick scan of blue moon. Todays excuse for a United win is "luck". Apparently they couldn't blame the following. Howard Webb, Fergie time, penalty appeals etc etc. so todays excuse is "luck"
EDIT: Yeah just saw that on redcafe manutdfan. So funny.

[Tutankhamun]

I take luck that's not an insult you earn luck! If it was luck we earned it.

[R3D D3V!L]

Lucky you!

This was an epic rant :lol:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7de13h22F6A

They guy lost it in live TV. Oh well at least he's very clean looking.
How funny would it have been if it was Gary Neville up there too.

[dc89]

Like I said what Mike said was right!

- City did play wonderful football.
- They did go and have a real go at United.
- They are still gelling as a team.
- They are going in the right direction.

I agree, he might have come across a little wrongly but his heart is on his sleeve. He is as passionate about City as Tut is about United. Imagine if Tut was on the tele, he'd rip them all new ones.

[Tutankhamun]

How funny would it have been if it was Gary Neville up there too.

That wouldn't have been appropriate TV for such an early hour :D

[R3D D3V!L]

That wouldn't have been appropriate TV for such an early hour :D

You're probably right to be honest :snicker

[Tutankhamun]

http://grab.by/grabs/879b7d234f5b7df2a15508ca7d8f5b5f.png

Just looks strange in 120x120 shame

http://grab.by/grabs/3cad30949c2a60ce5bcd9747db4d297f.png

[yourmumsface17]

Like I said what Mike said was right!

- City did play wonderful football.
- They did go and have a real go at United.
- They are still gelling as a team.
- They are going in the right direction.

I agree, he might have come across a little wrongly but his heart is on his sleeve. He is as passionate about City as Tut is about United. Imagine if Tut was on the tele, he'd rip them all new ones.

True but some of the things he was saying was laughable "Well United's goal was lucky" "What about your goal" "well they all count." ..."City created more chances" *stats come up stating contrary* "Well I don't believe in stats" lol

[Firefox]

The man in my sig is hungry for trophies... :snicker should be a great few months ahead. Going to be very dramatic.

He can't do the "hands in the air look at me" as well as Van Persie can though... looked out of place. I was thinking he was going to go into a wild run towards the fans. But it was quite subdued when you look at how important this goal was! and LOL at the people at the back with the Green and Gold.. :lol:

Brillaint goal anyways both for the importance of it and technique.

[Tutankhamun]

I say this, if Van Persie is an Arsenal legend then **** me Rooney is a Guru.

[santinomarella]

How funny would it have been if it was Gary Neville up there too.

He done commentary once for a youth game I think it was on MUTV and sounded more like a fan in the stands than a commentator. :lol: That's why he must replace Andy Gray! :snicker

[Firefox]

I say this, if Van Persie is an Arsenal legend then **** me Rooney is a Guru.

There are so many great players in Arsenal history and Van Persie is not even in the top 20 but to me personally he is a legend for many moments, for his love of the club, his love for the fans, his work in the community, and all that he has given. He has such great talent and a Gunner forever, let's just hope he is fit the rest of the season and many more seasons to come without injuries.


He is wearing Bergkamp's number with great pride, he is Arsenal.

[Tutankhamun]

It's in order to congratulate manutdfan and dc89 to the 1,000 post club (in this thread). They join a fine club with yours truly, yourmumsface17 and santinomarella. Let's see who of them join the 2,000 post club consisting of only yours truly whom is close to moving into the 3,000 post club in a few weeks.

http://grab.by/grabs/df7f14cafd057424d6271d5128e36404.png

Congrats, wish I had a present for you but I don't.

[yourmumsface17]

He is a really unique striker RVP I can't decide what style he has. Having a good spell of form too. Very good player. Can't wait for your guys game on Weds. Will b an awesome watch.

[Firefox]

How do you check the stats for the posts in a thread?

@YMF I am looking forward to it as well.. should be a great one win or lose. I have a good feeling we will win.

[Tutankhamun]

How do you check the stats for the posts in a thread?

@YMF I am looking forward to it as well.. should be a great one win or lose. I have a good feeling we will win.

Go to the section the thread is located in and click on the number of replies!

[manutdfan]

City can't complain wasn't if it was some lucky own goal or a dodgy penalty. Was a bit of genius fitting to win a big derby match.

[mankind]

Like I said what Mike said was right!

- City did play wonderful football.
- They did go and have a real go at United.
- They are still gelling as a team.
- They are going in the right direction.

I agree, he might have come across a little wrongly but his heart is on his sleeve. He is as passionate about City as Tut is about United. Imagine if Tut was on the tele, he'd rip them all new ones.

The guy is a ****ing joke, he said man city had the most possesion but the stats proved him wrong, what was this clowns reply "I dont care for stats" LMFAO, yeah only a city "LEGEND" lol

[yourmumsface17]

Exactly! So their excuse now has been "luck" (Although Dc has been alright to be fair)

[manutdfan]

He was out of order no doubt, Sky should never invite him back again. What are they going to do next invite Robbie Savage on the panel!!

[Tutankhamun]

What did we make of Giggs and Scholes? Thought Giggs had many poor passes but he got the most important ones right. Scholes I don't know, looked all right but not the intensity we're used to. What do you guys think?

[manutdfan]

What did we make of Giggs and Scholes? Thought Giggs had many poor passes but he got the most important ones right. Scholes I don't know, looked all right but not the intensity we're used to. What do you guys think?

Still solid players and great for the big games.

Giggs dribbled well poor passing at times.

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah sure they still got it for sure. Thought we we're kind of poor overall got the feeling City got the game where they wanted it at times. Good to win when you're not playing your best at times that's the mark of champions.

[manutdfan]

We def didn't play our A game but we edged it, did enough. Will be good to get Parks goals and energy back.

[Metal Warrior]

I thought both Giggs and Scholes didn't play particularly well. Scholes' passing was good most of the time but he didn't really dictate the play, while Giggs had some great runs but his final ball was lacking most of the time. The one time he got it right he provided a goal. Decent contributions you just expect more of them. I thought our entire midfield and attack bar Nani were decent at best, but considering the difficulty of the fixture, they did enough.

[Firefox]

I may not like Rooney (I respect many more United players before him), but this was just brilliant..

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/9267/o94gr.gif

[manutdfan]

Looks better every time you see it.

[x6Teen]

Rooney's a bully. I never liked him since he pushed Ronaldo when he was only like what? 19 or 20.

[dc89]

I don't like Rooney IMO:

The Ultimate Mercenary.

Anyway, I'm not going to be bitter, I'm proud of City. They stood toe to toe with United at Old Trafford and it took a goal like that to beat us, not many teams can say that. No title for City this year, but hopefully next year it will be City & United in the top two, in that order. We are more than good enough now, it's just the experience of doing it that City are lacking.

[Tutankhamun]

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9411/cel.gif

[dc89]

You've shown that goal more than Sky did.

That is not possible.

[Tutankhamun]

That's only the celebration from the bench.

[mankind]

I don't like Rooney IMO:

The Ultimate Mercenary.

Anyway, I'm not going to be bitter, I'm proud of City. They stood toe to toe with United at Old Trafford and it took a goal like that to beat us, not many teams can say that. No title for City this year, but hopefully next year it will be City & United in the top two, in that order. We are more than good enough now, it's just the experience of doing it that City are lacking.

You go ahead and be proud to support losers, also has it really slipped your mind that it took a flukey goal for City to get level? lmao why you not mention that? So dont bring up that we only won because of a great goal, City only got level with a FLUKEY goal. City played great but united was not at their best, if they had you would of got slapped silly all game. You and that clown Mike Summerbee can go take your bitterness else where. As I said City will never be better than Man utd, they may be a good team but never better than united.


MAN CITY ONLY EQUALISED BY A FLUKEY GOAL.

[Tutankhamun]

I agree City were lucky to go level, we had a few breaks and chances we should have scored on. Could have been a different score line. We were rather poor by our standards, City was good by theirs but they lack the ability to score.

Was Tevez on the pitch yesterday? Don't think he did **** all game.

[dc89]

I agree City were lucky to go level, we had a few breaks and chances we should have scored on. Could have been a different score line. We were rather poor by our standards, City was good by theirs but they lack the ability to score.

Was Tevez on the pitch yesterday? Don't think he did **** all game.

Crowded out. When ever he touched the ball he had 4/5 United players right on him. I think you took a leaf out of Everton's book.

http://m.gmgrd.co.uk/res/61.$plit/C_71_article_1401198_image_list_image_list_item_0_ image.jpg?20/12/2010%2021:48:59:732

But also I think his mind may have been on his 1 year old daughter, you may not have known but she had the tips of her fingers chopped off in a accident at his home and had to be rushed for surgery.

[Firefox]

Ok now you are just rubbing it in towards DC89.. kind of hypocritical when you are calling DC bitter and being ungracious yourselves. :p

@DC89 Did not hear that.. hope his daughter will be alright and everything normal as it was before the accident.

[yourmumsface17]

Don't group us all together Firefox. Most of us have been quite gracious and praised City :D

[dc89]

Ok now you are just rubbing it in towards DC89.. kind of hypocritical when you are calling DC bitter and being ungracious yourselves. :p

@DC89 Did not hear that.. hope his daughter will be alright and everything normal as it was before the accident.

Yeah I think it happened on Friday.

[Firefox]

Don't group us all together Firefox. Most of us have been quite gracious and praised City :D

I admit you guys haven't insulted his club as much as previous derbies so that is something to be proud of. :lol: I hate the way the club is run as well but I think it gives Arsenal a greater chance to show that money isn't everything.

Marseille is coming up next for you guys, they are quite good Remy is the one to watch out for!

[yourmumsface17]

Dc dishes it out as much as he takes it so lets no start feeling sorry for him hey :P. Yeah money isn't everything. To be honest if Arse go out the champions league I will consider them favourites for the prem. I have heard of Remy a winger right? Or am I wrong.

[Firefox]

Well from the times I've watched him in Champions League yes he was. (RW)

A look at your competition. You may see some familiar faces. (Heinze) ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRLHpsa46V4

[yourmumsface17]

Hehe thanks for the scout. I hear the team your playing against may have a couple of tough players. This winger called errm Messi might be playing for them, I hear he's quite good, and some decent midfielder called Xavi may play. Also Iniesta and Villa I hear are quite decent. Lol.

[Tutankhamun]

Wayne Rooney: I owed that goal to Manchester United's fans
• Wayne Rooney admits spectacular derby winner was overdue
• England striker rules Manchester City out of title race


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Clubs/Club_Home/2011/2/13/1297606062997/Wayne-Rooney-Manchester-U-007.jpg
Wayne Rooney milks the acclaim after his brilliant late winner against Manchester City at Old Trafford

Wayne Rooney told Manchester United's supporters, "I owe you that," after his stunning winner in the Manchester derby.

Rooney's astonishingly acrobatic turn and overhead volley will live long in the memory and brought United a 2-1 win. However, given Rooney's tepid form since he suffered the first of a succession of ankle injuries in Munich last March, the 25-year-old accepts there was an element of payback as well.

"The Manchester United fans deserve that from me," he said. "I haven't had the best of seasons and I know how big this game is in Manchester, so I hope they enjoyed that. Now the aim is to keep scoring and help us get that title back."

In that regard, Rooney was somewhat more forceful than Sir Alex Ferguson. Unlike his manager, who is not taking anything for granted, Rooney was prepared to look at United's imposing eight-point lead over their neighbours, check they also have a game in hand in a season which, for them, has 12 matches left, and discount them from the battle.

"It almost certainly rules City out of the title race unless a disaster happens," he said. "We are the team to catch. We know how it feels to be top of the league and to get over that finish line. We have the experience with the manager and the players and we know what we have to do.

"Hopefully within the next six or seven games, we can maintain that gap, or make it bigger."

For City, the gap to United, which for so many years was a yawning chasm, has closed dramatically but they remain unable as yet to bridge it completely. They were knocked out of the Carling Cup semi-final by their rivals last season, when they were also beaten by two injury-time goals in the league.

They have now collected only a single point from two meetings this season when the difference between the sides has been wafer thin, if it has existed at all.

It is surprising that the former City star Mike Summerbee grew increasingly indignant in his role as a Sky Sports pundit as the post-match analysis concentrated on where United had gained the crucial edge.

"There were two teams out there?" he grumbled. "Show our chances. Manchester United have spent fortunes, don't worry about that. They gave us a game. We have created more chances than them. One day Manchester City will come here and take them."

Rooney felt differently. "I don't think they were that unlucky," he said. "They played OK. They moved the ball well at times. But they didn't hurt us. They didn't penetrate us. Other than the Silva chance in the first half, they didn't really have a clear chance. We had two or three. Based on that, we deserved to win."

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/13/wayne-rooney-manchester-united)

Class.

[yourmumsface17]

Good intereview from Rooney there.

[Firefox]

Hehe thanks for the scout. I hear the team your playing against may have a couple of tough players. This winger called errm Messi might be playing for them, I hear he's quite good, and some decent midfielder called Xavi may play. Also Iniesta and Villa I hear are quite decent. Lol.

:lol:

@Tut That picture gets better every time I see it.. what exactly was he going for with that pose? :lol:

"Oh yes! Come to me Nani.. I am here for your taking"

[Tutankhamun]

:lol:

@Tut That picture gets better every time I see it.. what exactly was he going for with that pose? :lol:

"Oh yes! Come to me Nani.. I am here for your taking"

I think he's trying to do something similar to Cantona when he did his pose.

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/3vAOUgmRXsc/hqdefault.jpg

[manutdfan]

At the ends of the day DC the better team won yesterday and United deserved to win the game. Fair play you came and had ago, well done.

That Rooney celebration was awesome!!

[yourmumsface17]

I thought it was a little reserved, I'd have rather seen him go crazy and do some sort of slide lol. Thought it was a bit cringe. But oh well doesn't matter at all. We are going to see that goal time and time again.

[Tutankhamun]

Didn't he ran to the direction of the City fans? I think he realized he was running the wrong way for a slide and did something else instead. Thought it was pretty cool especially the bow.

http://www.espn.co.uk/PICTURES/CMS/20600/20634.jpg

[santinomarella]

At first I thought he had positioned himself so the City fans could see his name on the United shirt, because of the strong rumours of him going to City, but in the end looked rather like a gymnast finishing position. :lol: Celebrations on the bench were good to see, Hernandez and Brown went crazy for both goals. :D

Good interview from Rooney there as well, at least he can admit he owed the fans that after all he put us through earlier in the season. Not going to get ahead of myself though, look at how all the Liverpool fans said "Torres is back!" when he scored against Chelsea. Rooney has to build on this now, Berbatov, Rooney and Hernandez all scoring regularly will be fantastic.

[manutdfan]

At first I thought he had positioned himself so the City fans could see his name on the United shirt, because of the strong rumours of him going to City, but in the end looked rather like a gymnast finishing position. :lol: Celebrations on the bench were good to see, Hernandez and Brown went crazy for both goals. :D

Good interview from Rooney there as well, at least he can admit he owed the fans that after all he put us through earlier in the season. Not going to get ahead of myself though, look at how all the Liverpool fans said "Torres is back!" when he scored against Chelsea. Rooney has to build on this now, Berbatov, Rooney and Hernandez all scoring regularly will be fantastic.

Were not Liverpool though, that's the difference.

Ando was going crazy as well.

[santinomarella]

Were not Liverpool though, that's the difference.

Ando was going crazy as well.

Has nothing to do with Liverpool, Rooney has had a disappointing season and he has even said that himself, I'm not going to get carried away with the Rooney love fest after the goal because he needs to keep this up throughout the season. When Berbatov had moments of magic in his first 2 seasons everyone hoped he would consistently do so and didn't get carried away. That's the same now with Rooney he needs to consistently play well and score vital goals. Next few games he could play poor and the excuse for poor performances can't just be "at least he scored the winner against City"

[manutdfan]

Has nothing to do with Liverpool, Rooney has had a disappointing season and he has even said that himself, I'm not going to get carried away with the Rooney love fest after the goal because he needs to keep this up throughout the season. When Berbatov had moments of magic in his first 2 seasons everyone hoped he would consistently do so and didn't get carried away. That's the same now with Rooney he needs to consistently play well and score vital goals. Next few games he could play poor and the excuse for poor performances can't just be "at least he scored the winner against City"

Ok whatever, i'm bored of this now.

[santinomarella]

Ok whatever, i'm bored of this now.

:lol: I'm sorry but I speak my mind and like to discuss football. I won't just agree with someone because we support the same team. Now you know how I felt when people spoke of Berbatov, Nani and Fletcher.

[manutdfan]

:lol: I'm sorry but I speak my mind and like to discuss football. I won't just agree with someone because we support the same team. Now you know how I felt when people spoke of Berbatov, Nani and Fletcher.

Ok.
8-)

[santinomarella]

Ok.
8-)

I'm glad you agree. :D

[Tutankhamun]

Rooney PL goal contribution (assist/goal) ratios.. 07/08 every 1.08 games, 08/09 every 1.58 games, 09/10 every 1 game, 10/11 so far every 1.13 games... As good ratio as uniteds CL final reaching seasons...rooneys not playing well??

@joeasbridge (twitlonger) (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/8pvrti)

[manutdfan]

I'm glad you agree. :D

Ok.

[santinomarella]

I haven't had the best of seasons

I'm just going by what Rooney said, since everyone seems to do that.

[manutdfan]

Yeah Rooney hasn't done as well as he did last year, but still having a decent season and he will get better, guys a United legend already.

[santinomarella]

guys a United legend already.

I disagree, even if you take out the part where he said he wanted to leave, I still wouldn't put him in the same boat as Best, Law, Charlton and others.

But maybe we use the term legend in different ways.

[Tutankhamun]

I don't think anyone is arguing that he hasn't scored as many goals as a striker should, or that he have played to his potential, the argument is based on people's perception that either:


Rooney is a 'mercenary' and does not love the club or the game itself.
He will be sold in the summer despite declaring his dedication, and wish, to play for the club for the rest of his career.
He's overpaid.
He does not contribute to the team anymore.
He can not become a legend at the club.

The above is silly to me because the arguments are based on conjuncture and not facts.

EDIT: If Rooney wasn't contributing in other ways to the team then it's reasonable to have a discussion about his place in the team but that's simply not the case he's putting his head down and is working hard each game that's all you can ask for.

[manutdfan]

Well the fans voted Rooney in the top 10 so that means something. He's scored lots of important for the club.

[santinomarella]

I don't think anyone is arguing that he hasn't scored as many goals as a striker should, or that he have played to his potential, the argument is based on people's perception that either:


Rooney is a 'mercenary' and does not love the club or the game itself.
No one can comment either way with that, it's only speculation as to what he is paid.
He will be sold in the summer despite declaring his dedication, and wish, to play for the club for the rest of his career.
He once said he wanted to sign a contract for life too, people's minds change and you can't blame some fans for having doubts about his dedication. Its like the quote I posted during the saga "We hate you so much, because we love you so much" Tut you obviously a huge Rooney, but how would you feel if he were to have a desire to leave again.
He's overpaid.
I'm sure in a few years time over 200k a week will become an even more common thing in football again, but has anyone confirmed for certain what Rooney's wage is?
He does not contribute to the team anymore.
He's off form at the moment, just like any player off form fans pick up on this, Rooney off form should bring no different disappointment that a Berbatov or Nani off form, how did some people react to Nani and Berbatov's poor form on here...
He can not become a legend at the club.
A players legendary status is a fan's opinion, I personally think that O'Shea and Brown are going to go down in history as United greats but I'm sure many would disagree with that.


The above is silly to me because the arguments are based on conjuncture and not facts.



Well the fans voted Rooney in the top 10 so that means something. He's scored lots of important for the club.

The fans didn't even vote Law in the top 10 so what does that say about the list. It's like What Sir Alex said about the fans being in a different generation, of course Rooney is going to be favoured more today than a player like Law most fans don't have the same memories of Law compared to what they see Rooney do in the present day.

[manutdfan]

Shows the fans have forgiven him and hold me in high regard. Kids see him as there hero.

[Tutankhamun]

Santino: If he says he wants to leave again, I would not argue against selling him.

[manutdfan]

He's a match winner you need players like that.

[Tutankhamun]

He's the complete package, he can play upfront and score, he can play on the wing and shut people down, he can play in the middle, he can play left back, he can probably play in goal as well. Very rare type of player. Rather have a Rooney than a Messi in my team call me crazy.

[yourmumsface17]

Firsty Tut your crazy :D Secondly Rooney isn't a United legend.. yet. He could become one on day if he keeps his head out of trouble and keeps getting into the papers for the right reasons! He will never for me personally go down as Giggs or Scholes. But that's for me. I am forgiving so who knows.

[dc89]

You are mental Tut. Messi is loyal to the cause.

[manutdfan]

I'd take both Rooney and Messi.

[Tutankhamun]

You are mental Tut. Messi is loyal to the cause.

I meant the type of player, a complete player but not as skilled rather than a highly skilled offensive player which isn't as good over the whole pitch.

[Pez_555]

He's the complete package, he can play upfront and score, he can play on the wing and shut people down, he can play in the middle, he can play left back, he can probably play in goal as well. Very rare type of player. Rather have a Rooney than a Messi in my team call me crazy.

not sure if serious?

Messi is leagues ahead of Rooney in every aspect.

[Tutankhamun]

not sure if serious?

Messi is leagues ahead of Rooney in every aspect.

That's not the point though, I prefer hard working players that can play anywhere instead of a player that's highly skilled but not as complete.

[Firefox]

Rather have a Rooney than a Messi in my team call me crazy.

Messi is just unreal... and a league ahead of even Ronaldo in my opinion. Messi can play in the middle or the wings.. he can play where ever you want.

Messi is VERY hard working, day in day out regardless of "how he feels".

Messi could just rip apart Real Madrid.. :lol: (he has done so many times)

Messi is Real Madrid's daddy..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYCN6vuDmI

[StaticAge]

This is going to get Messi...

http://i54.tinypic.com/sopm9z.gif

[santinomarella]

I think Iniesta or Xavi would benefit us more than Messi, not saying Messi would not be good for us but a world class midfielder like one of those two would be perfect.

Has anyone posted the Xavi interview where he talks about Scholes?

[Firefox]

I am praising Messi so much.. I seem to have forgotten we are facing him on Wednesday. :lol:

[yourmumsface17]

Messi isn't that much better than Ronaldo if better at all. Ronaldo is fantastic in his own right and is scoring for fun as well with worse support.

[Firefox]

I think Messi just grows in terms of his vision/brains every year and is much more involved, starts more plays, and is all over the pitch in comparison to Ronaldo. Messi doesn't fully depend on support if that's what you mean, having Xavi helps but very few of Messi's goals are assisted by Xavi and very few are simple tap ins. But it is true the best of Messi is brought out with Barcelona's style of play.

Of course Ronaldo is brilliant as well and a league beyond everyone else too but I think Messi has the edge on even Ronaldo when you look at not only the statistics but style of play and how he plays on the pitch. I mean the amount of assists Messi has in addition to his goals is staggering.


I might be bashing Messi on Wednesday so this is one of the few times you'll hear from me about him till then.. :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

Messi is just unreal... and a league ahead of even Ronaldo in my opinion. Messi can play in the middle or the wings.. he can play where ever you want.

Messi is VERY hard working, day in day out regardless of "how he feels".

Messi could just rip apart Real Madrid.. :lol: (he has done so many times)

Messi is Real Madrid's daddy..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYCN6vuDmI

Just saying, I prefer players that plays with an edge like Rooney. In a team, I think, in the end, you win more with players with the type of play Rooney poses than with highly skilled players. (Messi may be the exception that proves the rule).


I think Iniesta or Xavi would benefit us more than Messi, not saying Messi would not be good for us but a world class midfielder like one of those two would be perfect.

Has anyone posted the Xavi interview where he talks about Scholes?

Yeah Iniesta or Xavi would be awesome in any team especially ours. Saw the interview, did not post it.


Messi isn't that much better than Ronaldo if better at all. Ronaldo is fantastic in his own right and is scoring for fun as well with worse support.

Ronaldo is the better offensive player, no doubt he scores more in a worse team.

----

An interesting stat:


259 - Manchester United have been fouled less often than any other PL team this season, 259 times. Float.

@OptaJoe (http://twitter.com/#!/OptaJoe/status/36803450209714176)

I thought the ref's were on our side?

[Firefox]

Messi is the better "offensive player" if you see my last post (explains in detail).. he has proven he is just as much the heart of his team this season as Xavi is with the assists he has had this season and amount of plays he has started.

Anyways this argument is getting tiresome I know but I have to say what I believe is right here. :)

[StaticAge]

In Nani's last 20 games, he's got 20 goals or assists :)

Also, in his time here he has scored against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City in less attempts than it took Ronaldo or Rooney :cool:

[manutdfan]

Yeah you got to love Rooneys work rate and team work.

[santinomarella]

In Nani's last 20 games, he's got 20 goals or assists :)

Also, in his time here he has scored against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and City in less attempts than it took Ronaldo or Rooney :cool:

It's awesome to see him getting so many assists! and Valencia is back soon! :mrgreen:

[manutdfan]

Nanis turning into a world class player, you could always see the guy had potential was just full filling it. He's in great form.

[Metal Warrior]

Ronaldo is the better offensive player, no doubt he scores more in a worse team.

How can you say that? I used to think Ronaldo was on par with Messi a few years ago when Messi was more of a dribbler with less end product who could be marked out of games. But that's changed. Messi has developed into something completely out of this world over the last few years. He regularly walks through defences, he's ridiculously lethal anywhere near the goal and he pressures defenders high up the pitch. His short passing game is breathtaking and I rate his playmaking abilities on par with Xavi and Iniesta.

He may have one of the strongest teams I've ever seen around him, but it's more often a case of him doing the magic for them rather than the other way around.

[yourmumsface17]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwnCD2y2QUA One of my fav overhead kicks, purely because I was there for it :D

[dc89]

Ahh I didn't see you guys mention that list. Well it was a bit of a joke. No Dennis Law is just a joke. No Colin Bell either who was the best winger of his generation!

Best overhead kick of all time? Rivaldo Vs Valencia.

[manutdfan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwnCD2y2QUA One of my fav overhead kicks, purely because I was there for it :D

I was there for that one you should of said, could of met up and I could of slotted you.. only messing. We could of went for a few jars.

[dc89]

What do you guys think about the quality of the pitch at Old Trafford. Lots of players slipped yesterday, players from both sides had a bit of difficulty. Why do we think this is?

If it rained all night does the pitch have good enough drainage?
Did they sprinkler it before the game after it being rained on?

Tending football pitches is like an art! I know how much that goes in to it because City did blogs about how they lay a pitch and you could follow the progress of it from the old one being ripped up to the new one ready for the first home game! I never knew they built the CoMS with ventilation flaps in the stadium walls which when opened helps the pitch ventilate.

I hear United re-lay their pitch mid-season. Only reason I'm talking about this is because I re-watched the highlights and it was quite comical, it was like watching Dancing on Ice. I know a United fan who actually blames the OT pitch for Valencia's injury, not sure why.

At least Mancini didn't complain about it like Wenger did :P

[manutdfan]

Pitch has always looked good to me, players tend to slip a lot on all pitches these days some more than others. It's all about getting the right studs.

[santinomarella]

Interview with Berbatov, don't know where it's from but found it on Redcafe, it's also from before the Wolves game too. Seems like a genuinely nice chap, like the interviewer said the Bulgarian Paul Scholes lol.


This is shaping up to be your best season of your career...

For now, everything's going well. If we can win the title it will be even better. That's my main wish and my goals obviously help my team. If, in May, we've won the tile and I'm there to lift it, then yeah, it would be a personal best for me.

Sir Alex said he had a long chat with you before the season started - what about?

The manager talk to all the players before the season begins. He sets you goals; tells you what he expects of you. I don't want to talk about specifics - that conversation if between us - but I'm well on course with what he wanted.

Your double against Blackpool took your tally to 20 domestic goals for the season. How many more will you score?

Well we still have a lot of games left in the league, as well as matches in the FA Cup and the Champions League. We want to reach the final in both those competitions, so that gives me plenty of time. My ambitions have always been high so I'll try and score another 20 by the end.

Is there a reason you're scoring more goals this season?

I'm playing closer to the goal - often on the last defender - so that helps. But a lot of it is down to my team-mates; I've just bee in the right place to finish attacks made possible by their hard work. Wayne Rooney and I understand each other well and he does so much work that opens up space, which I benefit from.

Do you feel sorry for Wayne when he plays well but doesn't score?

No, because I don't agree with people who says forwards are judged only by their goals. Forwards also assist other players, open up space, drop deeper to receive the ball... there's so much more to a forward's game and when you consider all those attributes forwards need, Wayne is number one in my opinion. He's the best forward I've ever played with.

Has your relationship with Manchester United fans changed this season?

Obviously I'm scoring more goals now so I think people are happier with my performances. But I've never wanted the fans to sing my name or hold up banners for me. I just want to go on the pitch, do my job, entertain the fans and then go home and be with my family.

You sound like a Bulgarian Paul Scholes!

Ha, pretty much, yes! That's very accurate. I think I'm alot like Scholesy in the way he approaches things off the pitch. I don't like giving interviews or being in the spotlight. I prefer to talk through my skills on the pitch.

United are unbeaten in the league, but has criticism of performances been valid?

To criticize a team that's been unbeaten for so long seems crazy to me. Maybe people think the criticism will affect us. All I can say is that we know within the squad that this is a major achievement and we want to maintain this run for as long as possible.

Until the end of the season?

You have to be realistic. It's inevitable we will lose but for now we have to aim high. We'd love to go the whole season unbeaten. You never know: maybe we'll be the second 'invincibles'.

After missing out on a fourth straight league title, how much desire is there at United to win the trophy back?

It's huge. Winning the 19th league title is very important here. I'd love to do that for the manager, who's been here 25 years, as well as my team-mates and the fans. I think we deserve to win it. More and more teams look capable, but unfortunately only one will be victorious.

So, who's the biggest rival?

Everbody thought Chelsea were the team to beat, but they've slipped up recently. It will be very difficult for them. Personally, I think Arsenal are a very good side. I like the way they express themselves on the pitch. In my view, they're probably our biggest threat. Manchester City are big rivals and it's fantastic for the city to have two tops teams. They have very good players, but I think they need a few more years to gel.

Finally, Frank Lampard claims being the Champion's League is an advantage when competing for the league. Do you agree?

Hmm, that's a difficult question. You start the season wanting to win everything and you focus on that until you get knocked out. You have more games to play and it's harder to stay fresh, but the rewards are huge. I'd love to win them all.

[three3-times]

Didnt get a chance to comment on the game as i was with my kids all weekend.
Good game, citeh shocked me by attacking!
I was gutted when they got Silva and he showed me why on sat!!
i was never in doubt when smalling plays, no wonder y wenger wanted him too, the guy is a mix of rio/vida.
Kompany is the 2nd best CB in the prem atm. He gave rooney nothing all game, tbh wazza was playing awful despite the wonder goal.
Nani.......what can i say, he is a proper player now, scores, assists, can shoot with both feet, crosses well. Sadly all his best work has come on the right when....Tony is back soon, will he replicate it on the left?
I wont count citeh out yet, as we got some tough games, we play loserpool very soon dont we?!
Citehs goal was soooooooooooooooooooooo jammy, although Silva shouldve scored 1st!
Our midfield still sucks major balls!
Btw, when is park back????

[dc89]

Finally! Some Kompany love! So under-rated. Especially when you think that he is the only player to have started every game for City this season! Tells you he is the lynch pin of the defence. He is our Vidic.

[three3-times]

hes been immense all season, not better than vida though. vida is the best CB in the world

you lot will be a proper force next season.......

edit....why u stealthing DC?!

[manutdfan]

No doubt Kompany is a quality player.

Yeah our midfield still looks weak at times, surely we'll bring in a few midfielders in the summer.

[Tutankhamun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2ERl_WvCG0

Just listen to the commentary.

[santinomarella]

Ronaldo has retired from football today. Always remember his hat-trick at Old Trafford and then getting a standing ovation. What an incredible player!

[yourmumsface17]

Shame. What an incredible player. The best striker of this generation. The complete striker, shame he has gone down the route all Brazillian superstars seem too.

[manutdfan]

The people who were linked with the Man United takeover said club was too expensive lol.

[yourmumsface17]

United really are lucky right now. So many young players who could come through. I am excited to be a United fan! (random post I know, just reading some United related stuff and I am in a positive mood).

[Metal Warrior]

Shame. What an incredible player. The best striker of this generation. The complete striker, shame he has gone down the route all Brazillian superstars seem too.

A lot of it was down to injuries though. I don't think he's as bad as Ronaldinho in that sense, he's just had a lot more bad luck. Maybe if he didn't he would've been more professional about his career.

Legend in any case. When at his best, arguably the best striker in the history of the game, bar none. Such power, pace, skill and lethal shooting all in one player, I doubt we'll ever see anyone like him again.

[three3-times]

http://www.skysports.com/story/0%2C%2C11095_6749483%2C00%2Ben-USS_01DBC.html

hmmmm, i wonder who?!

[Tutankhamun]

Silly thing to say really: <br />
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The Guardian <br />
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Seems like one hell of a good investment to me.

[yourmumsface17]

De gea, Steklenberg, Young, Defour, Rodwell <-- Could be any of these. Or more likely none of them and someone we haven't even considered lol. It's obviously Messi... :P

@Metal Warrior: completely agree with your assessment of Ronaldo maybe the best striker we have seen.

[manutdfan]

Rodders would be an awesome buy.

[yourmumsface17]

He seems overrated to me. Don't get the fuss. If he was that great he would have made the England squad by now. For some reason he is yet to get one cap and is worth 20 million quid. No thanks.

[manutdfan]

Ferguson is a big fan, he's had a few injuries.

Who are these youngsters that are coming through then, doesn't seem to be that many face?

[yourmumsface17]

How do you know Fergie is a fan?

Errrm is that a joke lol who are these youngsters? *deep breath*

Amos, Rafael, Vermijl, De Laet, Evans, Smalling, Gill, Fabio, Morrison, Keane, Petrucci, Pogba, Corry Evans, Matty James, Cleverley, Obertan, Bebe, Wellbeck, King, Hernandez, Macheda, Diouf and off course Ryan Giggs.

I'd back some of these lads to make it. I believe we have a great crop of youngsters.

[manutdfan]

Errmm is that list a joke yes some of them have a lot of potential but putting people like Amos, King, Gill on that list is just silly. Lots of clubs have a list of youngsters in there ranks.

Eagles, Savage, Thornley, Bardsley, Richardson etc etc etc.

We need youngsters that are ready to step in now especially in midfield. With the likes of Scholes and Giggs getting on. Carricks pushing 30 as well and Fletchers not cutting the grade these days but still a good squad player.

[yourmumsface17]

I'm not saying that these players will step in tomorrow. I should have really included Nani and Anderson to make my point that the team is young. I have always agreed United need a midfielder. But I do believe one day that some of these academy players will step up. I hope they get a chance next season.

My point is we could easily field a quality young team.

Lindergaard.

Rafael
Evans
Smalling
Fabio

Nani
Anderson
(I'll admit we may lack a young quality holding midfielder)
Wellbeck can play wide, Morrison is supposed to be a great talent I think he plays wide. Valencia is also still realtively young. Bebe. Obertan

Rooney
Macheda / King (BTW he looks awesome) / Hernandez / Welbeck / Diouf.

My point is valid. I'm not talkig about just the immediate future. The team could have some great young players coming through. I am excited. I'm so sorry being positive is such a terrible thing but I am! I believe in the team, the coaching, the talent. I will take my positivity elsewhere from now on and be more doom and gloom the way it is liked.

EDIT: BTW how do you know Fergie is a massive admirer of Rodwell? I have read it in the paper but would like to know if you have real reason to believe it?

[Tutankhamun]

Pogba is apparently playing very well in the academy, hope to see him play with the big team this year at least if we have won the title before the last game.

[manutdfan]

How dare you be positive.

We'll have to see how they turn out. Look what happened when the youngsters played against West Ham in CC they got turned over.

[yourmumsface17]

Yeah that's true. Hope they learnt a valuable lesson that night. Wasn't even that young, Fletcher played? I believe there were a couple of experienced players out that night. Disapointing. Pogba should play against Crawley :D

[manutdfan]

Fergies been quoted a few times as an admirer of Rodwell.

[yourmumsface17]

I can't say I've ever seen a quote from Ferguson saying "I like Rodwell". I've seen reports suggesting it. But not a single quote.

Just did a premiership predictor for the rest of the season and it didn't look good :( I got United to lose the title on goal differnce to Arsenal :S lol.

I got

1st Arsenal Points 85
2nd United Points 85
3rd Chelsea Points 73
4th Man City Points 71
5th Spurs Points 69
6th Liverpool Points 63

Lol have a go guys http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm

[Tutankhamun]

I think young players will always make mistakes, the important things is that they learn from them and that they are allowed to make them. That's part of the process for a young player, can't learn by watching.

Will try that table thing now!

[yourmumsface17]

I think young players will always make mistakes, the important things is that they learn from them and that they are allowed to make them. That's part of the process for a young player, can't learn by watching.

Will try that table thing now!
Def! With youngsters you have to be patient. If you were to discard players for making mistakes there would be no players left lol. For example it seems Rafael has learnt a lesson from Bayern at OT last year. Evans is still going through education, especially hard to get confidence at centre half, but he will get it back.

[Tutankhamun]

Right nature of the game really.

So what do we think of our CL run this year? I don't know, feels like we may not have the depth to pull it off but you never know.

[yourmumsface17]

I would never discount Manchester United :D United are winners! They can get the job done against any team! (Yes Barca this includes you!). But.. I do feel our ball retention just isn't good enough to win it :( I feel like we have a huge chance though. United can do it! I'm not sure if we will though. So that's a maybe from me lol

[manutdfan]

It's tough to look past Barcelona...

[Tutankhamun]

Wouldn't mind facing them, revenge is sought after.

[manutdfan]

Would make a great final at Wembley.

[santinomarella]

I think young players will always make mistakes, the important things is that they learn from them and that they are allowed to make them. That's part of the process for a young player, can't learn by watching.

Well said!

Its a fantastic thing to see youngsters come up through the club seeing them improve and become some of the best players in the country and the world! Rafael being the recent player to do so.

When YMF listed all those youth players it was awesome to see all the potential, I doubt all of them will make it but will hope that everyone single one of them become the players of the future at this club. :D

Twitter or streams is a great way to follow the reserves as well. Read recent reports from games and players like King, Bebe, Obertan, Lindergaard, Northwood and Brady putting in good performances, plus others which I can't remember. One player who YMF missed from his list is Ajose who is currently on loan at Bury.

The future is bright!

EDIT: I done that league predictor, did do all games but it messed up and some teams had only played 37 games. So I just quickly done all United and Arsenal games, no offence City...

1. Man Utd 38 50 85
2. Arsenal 38 50 85

Hmmmm... lol

[Metal Warrior]

I can't say I've ever seen a quote from Ferguson saying "I like Rodwell". I've seen reports suggesting it. But not a single quote.

Just did a premiership predictor for the rest of the season and it didn't look good :( I got United to lose the title on goal differnce to Arsenal :S lol.

I got

1st Arsenal Points 85
2nd United Points 85
3rd Chelsea Points 73
4th Man City Points 71
5th Spurs Points 69
6th Liverpool Points 63

Lol have a go guys http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/predictor/default.stm

85 points Arsenal, really? With 12 matches to go and 53 points, that translates to 10 wins and 2 draws. Arsenal are a good side and they don't have a very difficult run-in, but that would be some run of form. They're going to drop more than that.

[Tutankhamun]

I think we can get points in all of the games that's left, will be hard but I think we can do it.

Anyone knows if Torres will be allowed to play for Chelsea against us? Seems unfair since he was a Liverpool player when the fixture was supposed to be played.

[Metal Warrior]

I think we can get points in all of the games that's left, will be hard but I think we can do it.

Anyone knows if Torres will be allowed to play for Chelsea against us? Seems unfair since he was a Liverpool player when the fixture was supposed to be played.

Obviously he will, you can't go down that route. If you do that, what happens with a game that's rescheduled due to cup runs and suddenly a player is injured for that game while he wasn't on the original date? You simply have to deal with these situations.

[Tutankhamun]

Obviously he will, you can't go down that route. If you do that, what happens with a game that's rescheduled due to cup runs and suddenly a player is injured for that game while he wasn't on the original date? You simply have to deal with these situations.

Kind of special circumstances, Chelsea called the game off because they couldn't secure their land around the arena. But whatever, we'll beat them anyway.

EDIT: Rooney goal should not have stood (http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=208142).

Insightful and negative.

[Metal Warrior]

Kind of special circumstances, Chelsea called the game off because they couldn't secure their land around the arena. But whatever, we'll beat them anyway.

EDIT: Rooney goal should not have stood (http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=208142).

Insightful and negative.

To be fair to them, there isn't a single soul on there who agrees with him. I mean you see replies like these:


It should have been disallowed because people that fat shouldnt be able to defy the laws of gravity without some kind of jetpack or rocket fueled boots.

:lol:

[manutdfan]

Rooneys not even fat, what does that make Tevez then?

[dc89]

City fans have a sense of humour. TBH, lots of stuff on there is started by United fans to try and get a rise.

[Metal Warrior]

Rooneys not even fat, what does that make Tevez then?

He isn't, but neither is Frank Lampard and they still call him Fat Frank. It's spastic behaviour, but I still thought that one was funny considering the bitter OP.

[dc89]

Tevez isn't fat. He's short and well built. De Jong is the same but De Jong is just a meat head :P

[yourmumsface17]

Didn't realise I gave Arsenal such good results. But their run in is straight forward hardest games our Stoke, Bolton, Us, Liverpool (Who will roll over like Chelsea last season) and Spurs? Or am I making that one up.

[StaticAge]

Chelsea now 12 points behind after drawing with Fulham :)

[Metal Warrior]

Didn't realise I gave Arsenal such good results. But their run in is straight forward hardest games our Stoke, Bolton, Us, Liverpool (Who will roll over like Chelsea last season) and Spurs? Or am I making that one up.

I honestly don't think Liverpool will roll over like last season. They've played some good stuff under Dalglish and were good value for their win at Stamford Bridge. Granted, Chelsea aren't all that anymore and Liverpool went on to drop silly points, but I think they can give Arsenal a game. Then again, we still have to face them at Anfield and they'll be up for it.

Arsenal still have to visit Stoke, Blackpool, Fulham, Bolton and West Brom. All of these games are potentially tricky ties, I think they'll drop a fair few points there. They haven't been exactly brilliant at home either, so teams like Liverpool and Villa can give them a game.

In the end our mission is simple though: keep up our home form and under no circumstances lose to Arsenal. We should be alright if we manage that.

[DangerousMali]

He isn't, but neither is Frank Lampard and they still call him Fat Frank. It's spastic behaviour, but I still thought that one was funny considering the bitter OP.

neither is Arshavin......actually his a fat **** :(

[three3-times]

damn, park is out for 4 weeks, we need him aswell, we cant keep using giggs! we got chelsea and loserpool b2b very soon!

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6754012,00.html

Tony is training with reserves atm

[manutdfan]

Come on United!!!!

[Tutankhamun]

The Guardian <br />
<br />
What a tool.

[mankind]

Eden Hazard

Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United told Belgian ace will cost them £21m


Lille have named their price for Belgian wonderkid Eden Hazard - and that has put a host of Premier League clubs on alert.
The 19-year-old, who has been compared to Cristiano Ronaldo, has attracted interest from Arsenal (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/clubs/t3/arsenal), Chelsea and Manchester United (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/clubs/t1/manchester-united), and Arsene Wenger (http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/term/arsene-wenger) has confirmed he would be keen to sign him if he becomes available.
Hazard himself has previously expressed an interest in a move to the Premier League, but Lille have so far refused to sell.
But reports in France have revealed that the Ligue 1 side are now ready to do business for £21million in the summer - although Lille insist his departure is not inevitable.
"In the end of the season if someone is interested [in making a bid] we will study it and if not, nothing happens," Lille manager Rudi Garcia told French journalists.
"Hazard is a great asset to this club.

http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/5276/0/arsenal-chelsea-and-man-united-told-belgian-ace-will-cost-them-%C2%A321m


I have never seen this kid play, do you think united should buy him?

[Firefox]

I've mentioned him before in this thread and Wenger has been interested in him for many years but he does not want to disrupt Lille right now. (close to winning Ligue 1)

Rumors are that Chelsea are tapping him up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoS33S9krt4

[yourmumsface17]

Lol "Wenger doesn't want to disturb their title race" like he gives a crap. If he wanted him now he would have him now simple as that.

What a tool of a fan. Well done to the club though handled it very well.

[mankind]

IFR-Manchester Utd Bonds Rise on Qatari Bid Reports


LONDON, Feb 15 (IFR) - British football club Manchester United [MNU.UL]'s high-yield bonds are still trading close to record highs on speculation that the Qatari royal family will raise its bid to buy the club, traders said on Tuesday.
The 8.75 pct GBP250m bond hit a high around 112 points on Friday on media reports that the club's owners, the Glazer family, were on the verge of selling the business for GBP1.6bn, the traders said.
The bonds were trading slightly lower on Tuesday, bid at 110 points, after talk that the club had rejected the offer for being too low, the traders said.
"If the Qataris buy it, they may refinance the bonds, which is why the bonds have risen," said one of the traders.
Bid talk has swirled around the English Premier League club for weeks.
In January, Manchester United denied that it had received an approach from Qatar Holding to buy the club for about GBP1.5bn, according to a Reuters report. [ID:nLDE70M05X]
"There has been no approach of any kind to buy the club and one wouldn't be welcome anyway because it is not for sale," a spokesman for the club said at the time.
JP Morgan, Bank Of America Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Goldman Sachs and Royal Bank of Scotland managed the sale of the 2017 bond, which was launched in combination with a USD425m 8.375% tranche to help refinance the debt the Glazers took out five years ago to buy the club.
The Glazer family, who own a variety of interests in U.S. sports clubs, bought Manchester United for GBP828m, funding one third of the acquisition with equity, one third bank debt and one third with a Payment-In-Kind note, which carried a hefty interest payment of 14.25%.



http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/02/15/manchester-united-bonds-ifr-idUKLDE71E1IS20110215?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=mergersNews&rpc=401

[Firefox]

Lol "Wenger doesn't want to disturb their title race" like he gives a crap. If he wanted him now he would have him now simple as that.

What a tool of a fan. Well done to the club though handled it very well.

He's mentioned it numeroustime this year that Hazard should stay right now especially which the progress they are making for the title. Of course he cares and would want to act professionally, why would he want to **** off Lille by tempting Hazard to come mid-season?

Anyways, I am sure Lille want money and this definitely means he's going elsewhere for a ridiculous fee and not Arsenal no matter how much Wenger wants him.

[three3-times]

Eden Hazard

Arsenal, Chelsea and Man United told Belgian ace will cost them £21m



http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/transfer-rumours/5276/0/arsenal-chelsea-and-man-united-told-belgian-ace-will-cost-them-%C2%A321m


I have never seen this kid play, do you think united should buy him?


YES!! european messi, no joke

[Demiant]

Eden Hazard is, imo, the best young winger around. I see him play week in & week out and while he doesn't score a huge amount, his overall play is phenomenal and I can only imagine him getting better once he moves to a big club. Lille will have a hard time keeping hold of both him & Gervinho next season.

[Shibby]

Can guarantee Liverpool will be willing to break the bank for this guy at 20 years old. Fits the new owners transfer policy perfectly. And Comolli's been scouting him non-stop.

Only setback is we probably won't be able to offer immediate CL football, whereas most of his other suitors will.

A bidding war will probably see this kid sold at around £25m

[Tutankhamun]

Berbatov in line for new deal

Manchester United striker Dimitar Berbatov is in discussions over a lucrative new contract, according to reports in the British press on Tuesday morning.

Berbatov, the top scorer in the Premier League with 19 goals to his name, has just over a year left on his current deal and United want to tie him to a longer agreement before the start of next season.

It is thought the 30-year-old will sign a deal worth around £175,000-a-week - a massive increase on his current weekly wage of £100,000.

Berbatov endured a slow start to his career at Old Trafford following his big money move from Tottenham Hotspur, but he has finally found top form this term, scoring three top-flight hat-tricks.

Berbatov's agent, Emil Dantchev, is believed to have held initial talks on Sunday, travelling to Manchester to meet with the club's chief executive, David Gill. The former Bulgaria international is likely to pen a two-year extension to his contract, running through to the summer of 2014.

ESPN (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/880648/united-striker-berbatov-in-line-for-new-contract?cc=5739)

He deserves a new deal, only thing for him do to is to play as good as he has done this season in the future as well.

[santinomarella]

Excellent news! Although for a player that seems very dedicated to United and no intention of leaving, why raise his wage 75,000 a week. But considering what other players are rumoured to be on he's worth it. I can't remember if Evra has signed a new deal yet?

[Tutankhamun]

Not sure how accurate the money part is tbh, but if he do get's that raise I imagine it's his agents workings. But whatever, worse players in the league is paid more so it's hard for the club to deny him that.

Evra has not signed a new deal yet, his future is a little uncertain at the moment.

[santinomarella]

Probably is false with the money, maybe same people that said O'Shea would sign an 80,000 a week deal.

[Demiant]

Probably is false with the money, maybe same people that said O'Shea would sign an 80,000 a week deal.
The sad thing is for all we know, he could very well be on that...

Anyhoo, Berbs doesn't deserve 170k a week... he's 30, is having his first good season for us... players need to stop being so friggin' greedy.

[Tutankhamun]

Probably is false with the money, maybe same people that said O'Shea would sign an 80,000 a week deal.

Right, you never know about these reports tbh. Who's leaking the info? People leaking it surely has their own agenda.

[manutdfan]

Yeah been hearing a lot about Hazard Seen him play a few times. Looks a quality prospect would fit well into the United team, would be a great buy.

[three3-times]

cant belive none of you are worried about no park for the next month..........tony wont be back till early march and we got chelski then loserpool away b2b

[yourmumsface17]

It's certainly a blow! I feel Giggs is kinda like Scholes in regards to needing a run of games to hit a good run of form. Scholes is poor when he comes in and out of the team. I believe Giggs will be fine.

But if he gets injured then what are we gonna do :(

[Tutankhamun]

This is why we could really use Sanchez especially when Giggs retire our depth at the wings, especially skilled offensive wingers, is very low. Bebe and Obertan is the one's closets to the team but, let's face it, they have been disappointing.

[yourmumsface17]

Hang on. Disapointing? Bebe has been very good. He has done more than I expected. He has scored a few goals and tbh looks more of a striker. I didn't expect to see him anywhere near the team this season.

Obertan had a great first season. A lot of us including myself were raving about him. This season he hasn't featured alot and has suffered from second season syndrome. I have no idea if he will make it or not.

[manutdfan]

Bebe isn't ready yet and Obertan has been on average poor this season, were looking a bit light on wingers at the moment with injuries.

[three3-times]

bebe will be a striker

[Tutankhamun]

Hang on. Disapointing? Bebe has been very good. He has done more than I expected. He has scored a few goals and tbh looks more of a striker. I didn't expect to see him anywhere near the team this season.

The reports I've read from the reserve team is that he's not looking that good there either, we'll see though. Looked so-so with the first team imo.


Obertan had a great first season. A lot of us including myself were raving about him. This season he hasn't featured alot and has suffered from second season syndrome. I have no idea if he will make it or not.

One thing for sure, he can't be expected to make an impact right now.


bebe will be a striker

Yeah that's likely, not sure how he'll make it here as a striker though.

[manutdfan]

Yeah Bebe will find it tough as a striker at the club.

[yourmumsface17]

Going by what I have seen so far of him (all we can go by, no reports nothing else). He looks talented. Very talented. All the attributes of a rough diamond. Just needs to be put into shape. Fergie and the teams job. Let him learn to country. Learn the English game. Learn the language and lets see what happens.

[manutdfan]

They said that Manucho was a rough diamond as well.

[Demiant]

They said that Manucho was a rough diamond as well.
Yeah exactly. Our tactic seems to be buy as many prospects as possible for under 10m for a striker position and eventually we'll strike lucky... and it seems we struck lucky with Chicha. Personally don't see Obertan/Diouf/Bebe having any sort of future at the club.

[santinomarella]

Far too soon to judge Bebe considering the time he's been here and first team opportunities he's had. I would have liked to see Obertan have had more of an impact than he has so far especially with the injury to Valencia.

[Spider]

Honestly... I think Obertan isn't very impressive... Though I wana see more of him.

I think our summer transfers should be very big, just to help clean up the clutter and strengthen a few spots.
I think we should get rid of Gibson, Hargreaves, Wes, Maybe Obertan, Maybe O'Shea, and Owen.

Buy a big name attacking midfielder, Schweinsteiger would be perfect IMO (though near impossible to get). Also a defensive midfielder (Diarra or rodwell?). If were going to spend a lot it should be for either a great young talent, or an amazing 26ish year old... not 40 million for freaking de rossi Maybe a young winger to back up Nani/Valencia, Hazard would be dope. Farfan, Elia, Hulk. Lots of good people out there... But I would be happy with a younger less know back up... but with more speed then Obertan...

Get a few lesser known midfielders and maybe one more CB and we got a team...

With Steklenberg in goal, it would be quite a team.

While normally I don't agree with to many big signing's I think this is the perfect time to bring some people in. We need more midfielders and we need at least some of them with experience.

Anderson is going to be great I think, and fletcher and carrick can help over the next few years... But gibson won't help replace scholes now and I doubt if he will ever rise to that level. One big attacking midfielder and one defensive minded midfielder would make us unstoppable for 2011-2012...

Imagine

Strikers:Rooney/Berbatov/Hernandez/Macheda/Welbeck/Bebe/Diouf [YIKES!]
Wingers:Nani/Valencia/Giggs (lets hope!)/Hazard/Hulk
Midfielders:Schwein or Adam or Albrighton/Carrick/Fletcher/Anderson/Park/Diarra or Rodwell/Scholes (maybe)
Defense:Vidic!/Ferdinand/Evra/Smalling/Evans/Fabio/Rafael/O'Shea
Goal:Stekelenburg or Adler or Lloris or Renia or Whoever!/Lindengaard


ANYWAY... Those are my ramblings...

[santinomarella]

Guess who's injured again... :(

[Spider]

Hmmmm... Valencia or Owen?

Better not be Valencia... all ready lost park for 4 more weeks... cant lose another midfielder...

[mankind]

I think its owen

[Tutankhamun]

Not again... Fears for Owen as injury curse strikes United star


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/17/article-1357862-0C5E87AD000005DC-171_306x423.jpg

Michael Owen could miss Manchester United's title run-in after suffering yet another injury setback that could keep him out for months.

The one-time England striker, who has made just six league appearances during a frustrating campaign, was set to start against non-league Crawley in Saturday's FA Cup fifth round clash at Old Trafford.

But the 31-year-old limped out of training on Monday at United's Carrington training base telling the club's coaching staff that his 'groin had gone', according to The Sun.

Owen is set to discover his fate after being sent for scans on Wednesday, two days on from taking part in shooting practice which led to him pulling up with the problem.
Earlier this week Ferguson revealed the former Liverpool and Newcastle forward, who is out of contract at the end of the season, still had an important role to play in his trophy chasing squad.

The United boss insisted that Owen, who was just returning to action following three months out from October with a hamstring injury, would get his chance in the coming weeks - although that has now been put in serious doubt.

Ferguson said: 'I keep trying to get myself into a situation where I can play Michael Owen more often.

'I haven't been completely fair that way. He is a terrific trainer and every time I play him he never lets me down.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/02/17/article-1357862-0B4F2CF4000005DC-959_468x286.jpg
Main man: United boss Ferguson had hoped to call on Owen more often


'Michael is a phenomenal player in and around the box,

'You can make similarities in physique to Javier Hernandez. In and around the box, both of them are very dangerous players.

'The advantage we have with Michael on the run-in is that he has terrific big-game experience. It could prove very important to us.'

Owen has notoriously been cursed by injuries over the years and will frantically be awaiting the news of his latest setback.

Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1357862/Manchester-United-star-Michael-Owen-hit-injury-curse-again.html)

Damn.

[StaticAge]

Apparently Evra has signed a new 4 year contract :D

[Tutankhamun]

Apparently Evra has signed a new 4 year contract :D

Looks like it!


Patrice Evra agrees new contract with Manchester United
• French defender to stay at Old Trafford
• Evra resists move to Spain and agrees four-year deal


http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/sport/Pix/columnists/2011/2/18/1297991550874/patrice-007.jpg
Patrice Evra may see out his career at Old Trafford.

Patrice Evra has committed his future to Manchester United and agreed a new four-year contract, with an announcement expected from Old Trafford on Friday morning.

Evra had considered leaving Old Trafford, tempted by the possibility of playing in Spain, and had been linked with a move to Real Madrid.

But the Frenchman has decided instead to remain in the Premier League.

The Senegal-born defender signed for United from Monaco for £5.5m five years ago and has established himself as one of the more accomplished left-backs in world football, despite losing his place in the France squad since the controversy of their World Cup campaign.

The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/18/patrice-evra-new-contract-manchester-united?mobile-redirect=false)

[manutdfan]

Sweeeet!!!

[santinomarella]

Sir Alex said in his press conference that he has nothing to report regarding Evra's contract.

Michael Owen injury is not serious either and should travel for Marseille game.

Bebe, Brown, O'Shea, Chicharito, Lindegaard, Fabio and Rafael will all play in the Crawley game.

Valencia has also done a week of non-contact training with the reserves. :)

[three3-times]

hope, pogba and morrison at least make the bench.

no doubt that **** gibson will start :(

[Tutankhamun]

Wonder who will start with Hernandez upfront? I hope we don't play Hernandez alone I'd say give King a chance.

Here's a nice article about Ronaldo that has very little do with United but you'll all enjoy it!


Andy Mitten column


Sunday night, Barcelona. Emanuel Adebayor walks through the mixed zone where players and journalists speak after playing for his new club Real Madrid against Espanyol.

Adebayor is friendly and talks about wanting to stay at Madrid, about them being “the biggest club in the world”. He says that he’d have no problem returning to City, but the Bernabeau is where he wants to be.

Adebayor plays alongside some big names at Madrid, but the profile of one dwarfs the rest – Cristiano Ronaldo.

The former United man is the only genuine threat to Lionel Messi’s status as the planet’s finest footballer.

Against Espanyol he was booed mercilessly by the 39,000 home fans. They booed because they knew the damage he can inflict, booed because they are envious. They’d all love him in their side.

Not everyone was convinced that Ronaldo was making the right move when he left Old Trafford for a team that that has been unable to get beyond the last 16 in the Champions League for six consecutive years.

Yet most respected his desire to pay for a Madrid team he’d been in awe of since childhood. Still, he was the first player that United didn’t want to leave since Mark Hughes in 1986. All other departures have been United’s shout.

Ronaldo’s £80m transfer fee in 2009 meant he was football’s most expensive signing, but unlike the two other big names signed at the same time, he’s the only one who has justified the hype. Kaka and Karim Benzema have both flopped at Madrid while Ronaldo has improved since he left Old Trafford, become more of a talisman. With little over half of the season gone, he’s already scored 31 goals, 25 of them in the league.

Twenty four goals were enough to make the Brazilian Ronaldo Spain’s top scorer in 2004 after a full season. That’s the Brazilian Ronaldo who was the finest striker of his generation, good enough to be applauded by United fans after scoring a hat-trick at Old Trafford in the Champions League. The Brazilian who this week announced his retirement, aged 34, after a glorious career. The Portuguese Ronaldo only turned 26 last week and has a lot more football to play.

Like David Beckham before him, he’s arguably the highest profile footballer in the world. Like Beckham, he doesn’t suffer fools gladly. Image-makers portray him as a blank canvas – a marketer’s dream. There’s no shortage of sponsorship deals, but they don’t reveal the underlying steel which allows both to mix it on and off the field.

Beckham once watched a five-a-side game in Madrid between British journalists who had been sent to Spain to cover him. Afterwards, he offered a withering assessment of one journalist who had a habit of writing particularly sensationalist stories about him, describing him as “the worst footballer I have ever seen.” Ouch.

Like Beckham, Ronaldo is a marked man, but he can be ruthless with his put downs. His arrogance is self-assured, but he frequently asks opposing players who try to wind him up what their name is and how much they earn. Later on in the same game, he’ll ask: “Sorry, what was your name again?” That’s his defence against the abuse he gets wherever he travels.

Ronaldo is missed by all at Old Trafford. The fans still sing that delightful tribute to his name and Sir Alex Ferguson still raves about his professionalism. He postured, preened and appeared pretentious, but he was also United’s first European Player of the Year since the 60s, the fulcrum of a team who won the European Cup and reached the final a year later.

United’s Champions League endeavours resume next week in the febrile environs of Marseille’s 60,000 capacity Velodrome. United are favourites to go through to the last eight and fourth favourites over all to win the tournament overall – behind Ronaldo’s Madrid. United’s odds are long. If Ronaldo was still around they’d be much shorter.

:: The sports editor has asked for a couple of predictions at the end of this column each week – a chance for you to laugh when I get it wrong.

So, United 5 Crawley Town 0. And City 4 Notts County 0.

More intriguing is Stockport’s vital derby against Macclesfield and Rochdale v Southampton.

Promoted Dale are 10 unbeaten and triumphed against Sheffield Wednesday last week.

That FA Cup defeat to FC United seems a long time ago.

Manchester Evening News (http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/sport/football/manchester_united/s/1408591_andy_mitten_column)

[three3-times]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9401933.stm

Signed his new deal.

He is my fav player of all time, but its time for them all to retire!

[Tutankhamun]

I think it's good for us he's staying another year, I don't think he'll be playing as big of a part as he has though. But for some depth and experience it's a good extension.

[manutdfan]

Hoping we put a few on Crawley Town today!

[Tutankhamun]

Should do that really, on paper this should be damn easy but you never know.

Nani now has a twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/luisnani/). Could get fun!

[santinomarella]

Under 18's result - United 6 City 1 :D

[Tutankhamun]

Under 18's result - United 6 City 1 :D

Hopefully a sign of things to come later today!

[Metal Warrior]

hope, pogba and morrison at least make the bench.

no doubt that **** gibson will start :(

Aww come on, he may not be our greatest player but he's still a United player and deserves better than to be called a **** (whatever that is, I'm sure it's not pretty :p). He's not actually done anything, as a person, to merit such insults.

[Tutankhamun]

Manchester United set for £15m swoop for Everton's Jack Rodwell

Manchester United have again been linked with a move for Everton starlet Jack Rodwell with the Daily Mail reporting they will bid £15 million for the teenager in the summer.

The Red Devils have long been linked with the youngster and Sir Alex Ferguson admitted recently that he was interested in signing a player in January but had been forced to delay any potential transfer until the summer, with the Mail now claiming that Rodwell is the player concerned.

The 19-year-old signed a five-year contract at Goodison Park just over a year ago and therefore will not come cheap particularly as David Moyes will be unwilling to let one of his star players leave Goodison Park.

Rodwell has made 14 appearances for Everton this season but is currently out of the side with an injury sustained whilst representing the England U21s against Italy on 9 February. The teenager injured his groin and is not expected to be back fit for another 4-6 weeks.

He posted on his Twitter account at the time: "Four to six weeks out. Gutted, but will come back stronger.”

Goal.com (http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2011/02/19/2359526/manchester-united-set-for-15m-swoop-for-evertons-jack)

Would not be surprised if he is the mystery player.

[yourmumsface17]

A couple things. Crawley town are a far better team than their league suggests. They are the Man City of the conference and are way better than the conference. So if we think today we our playing a bunch of mugs then you are mistaken. I expect a tough game and hopefully a win.

Hope for King, Morrison and Pogba despite this.

Secondly I know it's old news now but oh my what i violent **** Gattuso is :lol:

[John25]

First of all you wont get him he had the chance to move in the summer and he signed a 5 year deal

2nd of all thanks for giving us Phil neville he just knocked the Chavs out the cup !!!

[Tutankhamun]

Team from before is CORRECT, recap: #mufc XI: Lindegaard, Rafael, Fabio, JOS, Brown, Gibson, Carrick, Bebe, Anderson, Obertan, Chicharito

@DoronSalomon (http://twitter.com/DoronSalomon/status/38996202175340544)


#mufc bench: PIG, Smalling, Fletch, Rooney, KING, POGBA, TUNNICLIFFE

@DoronSalomon (http://twitter.com/DoronSalomon/status/38996313517465601)

Strange team, thought we would try to knock them down within the hour then bring on the young guns. Would have preferred an 422 as well.

[santinomarella]

We would have never started with a full strength team.

I hope King, Pogba and Tunicliffe all get a nice amount of time! Hopefully some good performances from Bebe, Obertan, Lindegaard (although I hope he has a quiet afternoon) and Fabio as well.

[Tutankhamun]

Hernandez alone on top, what do we make of that? Doesn't feel like the best use of his lethal skills in the box.

[yourmumsface17]

Bebe may start upfront with him! Like the team :)

[santinomarella]

We'll have to see how it goes, Bebe was mentioned a few days ago as being more of a striker so might benefit Chicharito. We know United often play one up top so good experience for him.

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah true. Bebe may I indeed play more as a striker did not think about that.

[dc89]

Hernandez alone on top, what do we make of that? Doesn't feel like the best use of his lethal skills in the box.

Hernandez up top reminds me of Tevez up top alone. Needs the ball played to his feet, no point in crossing it.

[Tutankhamun]

Brown!! When did he score last? :lol:

[santinomarella]

Excellent ball from Gibson, Hernandez should have took that first time.

Then an assist from Gibbo! 1-0!

More of that every single time you play please Darron!

[Pez_555]

Damn.

Surprised it's taken that long for utd to score.....

COME ON CRAWLEY!!!


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[santinomarella]

Gibson's on fire!

[Tutankhamun]

Played okay so far, we should have another gear to put in and finish this off.

[santinomarella]

Rooney might help get a few extra goals. :lol:

[Tutankhamun]

Rather rest him!

EDIT: But there he is!

[dc89]

Bebe.

What do you all think. It was a very strange signing as Fergie harped on about no value then goes and drops £7M on someone like Bebe solely on recommendations.

[santinomarella]

:neutral:

[Tutankhamun]

Bebe.

What do you all think. It was a very strange signing as Fergie harped on about no value then goes and drops £7M on someone like Bebe solely on recommendations.

The players do not chose how much money they are signed for. That's have nothing to do with Bebe's performance. As for Bebe performance in our shirt, it has not been good so far I'm willing to give him 18-months to prove himself at United if it doesn't work out for him at United fair enough, we gave it a try and I wish him luck in his future endeavours.

I hate the notion that players should be judged by what they costed in the market, criticize SAF for that if anything but as far as Bebe goes many teams were in on him we took a gamble the next year or so will say if it was worth it or not.

Today's game:

Was a poor game, walking tempo Crawley wanted the game more than we that's understandable but not acceptable. Players like Obertan and Bebe has to find a way to show they belong at United and that they can play. I expected a guy like Obertan to tear apart Crawley he did that, to some extent, in the first part of the first half but after that nothing. Bebe I expected to show us something of a glimpse of what he can do he did not do that. Both of them will get more chances as they should but as far as I'm concerned they are not ready next season which makes Giggs staying all more that important. Still think we need to bring in Sanchez or someone to add some highly skilled depth to our team.

Bring in some depth, send Obertan and Bebe on loan for the first six months next season see if they develop better with regular football.

[three3-times]

well, that was embarrassing. we couldn't even perform against crawley. if that is our depth, then...damn.

bebe - no
obertan - no.

even wazza did NOTHING.

why can fabio never finish a game?!??!!!

[santinomarella]

Before everyone jumps on the sell Bebe bandwagon just wanted to mention that I thought he showed signs of improvement with his crosses compared to last time where he just tried to fire it in the box with as much power as humanly possible.

Also thought Gibson had a good game too, probably our best player hopefully that will fill him with some confidence and start to show similar performances more consistently.

[Tutankhamun]

Gibson played well, he needs to play like this in the PL as well. Quite worrying the first good game he'd had this year was against Crawley though, we'll see if that's his level or if it's the turning point for him.

[Metal Warrior]

Gibson played well, he needs to play like this in the PL as well. Quite worrying the first good game he'd had this year was against Crawley though, we'll see if that's his level or if it's the turning point for him.

It's not as if he's never played well against a better side though. He had a good game against Bayern last year for example.

[Tutankhamun]

It's not as if he's never played well against a better side though. He had a good game against Bayern last year for example.

Sure, I meant in context to his recent form. He seems to have digressed a bit this season imo.

[three3-times]

i keep telling u he is the real deal, but a gangster wannabe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/19/ravel-morrison-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1408668_manchester_united_ace_ravel_morrison_escap es_jail_after_threatening_robbery_victim

[Tutankhamun]

Yeah, not sure what they should do about him. Seems like he needs to mature a lot and fast.

[Pez_555]

Pretty embarrassing performance from utd today. On another day Crawley could have equalised.

Utd often seem to struggle against lower league opposition, I remember when they lost to southend a few seasons ago. When you can't easily beat a team 4 leagues below you it's pretty embarrassing! However a win is a win but I was going into this game expecting 5 or 6.

FA cup is great though. Fantastic opportunity for lower league clubs to get a flavour of prem football. Love it.


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[Tutankhamun]

Crawley were just more motivated, that and that many of our fringe players played badly made it a hard game. Our depth is interesting, sometimes they play great and sometimes they really don't.

[manutdfan]

was a bit embrassing really most of the back up players just don't look good enough.

[dc89]

i keep telling u he is the real deal, but a gangster wannabe

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/feb/19/ravel-morrison-manchester-united?CMP=twt_gu

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/crime/s/1408668_manchester_united_ace_ravel_morrison_escap es_jail_after_threatening_robbery_victim

I know a member of Kenny Swain's family. Kenny Swain (won stuff with Villa when they were good) is now the head coach for England U16's and assistant to U17, U18, U19's. I obviously can't speak on his behalf but I remember him saying that kid is crazy talented.

I'm sure even SAF said he will either be the greatest footballer to come from United's academy since Scholes or he will end up in prison. I reckon it will be the latter tbh, especially when he's turning up to court in a hoodie. I've seen him on Youtube, good footballer but he obviously doesn't have the mentality.

[Tutankhamun]

I think SAF will sort him out. But in the end, he needs to realize he can be rich or a prison *****.

[dc89]

One of my favourite sayings which I learnt off my friend:

You can give a rat a gold tooth but it's still a rat.

[manutdfan]

2nd half performance today was just AWFUL!!!!!!

[santinomarella]

Pretty embarrassing performance from utd today. On another day Crawley could have equalised.

Utd often seem to struggle against lower league opposition, I remember when they lost to southend a few seasons ago. When you can't easily beat a team 4 leagues below you it's pretty embarrassing! However a win is a win but I was going into this game expecting 5 or 6.

FA cup is great though. Fantastic opportunity for lower league clubs to get a flavour of prem football. Love it.


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There was also the games where we drew 0-0 with Burton and Exeter as well.

I kind of expected the game to go like it did today based on what we have seen in the past. Never thought we would dominate and score many goals, not because of lack of quality, just the way these game's tend to go.

The ITV commentator said something interesting that in those two 0-0 games Pique was in the defence and look at him now. It does show that just because some of the players under-performed today does not necessarily mean they are not going to make it at United.

[Tutankhamun]

One of my favourite sayings which I learnt off my friend:

You can give a rat a gold tooth but it's still a rat.

That's terrible, people change all the time. We'll see if he can do it, if he can he can if he can't he can't.


2nd half performance today was just AWFUL!!!!!!

Indeed, we were just not motivated at all. It's not an acceptable attitude for a club like Man United.

Felt like we needed Scholes to make a tackle and wake the team up.

And what the hell did Rooney think kicking that Crawley player down? At least he gave one of them his shirt afterwards.

[manutdfan]

Some good youth coming through but squad needs a clear out and some brought in.

[Tutankhamun]

Some good youth coming through but squad needs a clear out and some brought in.

I feel, like I said earlier, that we need some more skilled depth and send Bebe and Obertan on loan. Even if we don't buy anyone, I still feel Cleverly and Welbeck is better than them at this point. I think loaning them out to play regularly will benefit them and thus us in the long run.

[santinomarella]

And what the hell did Rooney think kicking that Crawley player down? At least he gave one of them his shirt afterwards.

I like that side of Rooney, he's often criticised for it, but to me it show's he cares. If he didn't he wouldn't get worked up about it.

Plus one of the Crawley players done a similar thing to Hernandez in the first half, just barged into him as him was about to challenge for a header.

[manutdfan]

It's tough to bring 4,5,6 players through the youth system in a few years doesn't happen very often.

[santinomarella]

It's tough to bring 4,5,6 players through the youth system in a few years doesn't happen very often.

Well it didn't take Rafael that long to progress up and Fabio was also impressive today, if only he could stay fit. Cleverly and Welbeck have both benefited from loan spells so far. There's 4 players that next season could play a much bigger role than they have so far.

[Tutankhamun]

I like that side of Rooney, he's often criticised for it, but to me it show's he cares. If he didn't he wouldn't get worked up about it.

Plus one of the Crawley players done a similar thing to Hernandez in the first half, just barged into him as him was about to challenge for a header.

Sure I like an aggressive player but what the hell he knew he'd get booked for that. Maybe he wanted to get one back for Hernandez.

[manutdfan]

Well it didn't take Rafael that long to progress up and Fabio was also impressive today, if only he could stay fit. Cleverly and Welbeck have both benefited from loan spells so far. There's 4 players that next season could play a much bigger role than they have so far.

Yeah I see your point it's just a knee jerk reaction to the majority of todays performance I guess. It is tough for the younger players to come in and perform, would probably be better for a couple to come in the team with established players.

[LC77]

Gibson played well, he needs to play like this in the PL as well. Quite worrying the first good game he'd had this year was against Crawley though, we'll see if that's his level or if it's the turning point for him.

I thought he played well when Anderson was on the pitch, after that he was back to his old self. Passing to the opposition. :lol:

Gibson and Carrick(he's never got over the CL final against Barcelona) are goners in the summer. As long as the Glazer lot open the purse.

Amazing how people are ripping Bebe to shreds, how long has Bebe now been at United? The word fickle no longer does the modern day football fan justice and even worse, so called football journalists.

As for the game, United could not win either way. If they'd won 10 nil people would have complained about the power of the PL squads, and so on. Bottom line is, United in the next round...... didn't Chelsea play a strong team? And what number are they in the pot?? :mrgreen:

[Pez_555]

There was also the games where we drew 0-0 with Burton and Exeter as well.

I kind of expected the game to go like it did today based on what we have seen in the past. Never thought we would dominate and score many goals, not because of lack of quality, just the way these game's tend to go.

The ITV commentator said something interesting that in those two 0-0 games Pique was in the defence and look at him now. It does show that just because some of the players under-performed today does not necessarily mean they are not going to make it at United.

Yea, i think utd go into these types of games with the attitude that they can win easily (all prem clubs would be the same). The props have to go to Crawley coming to old Trafford and playing like they did.

Do you reckon ferguson said anything at half time? Lol, I sometimes wonder if top clubs even bother with teamtalks with lower league opposition like yesterday.


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[Tutankhamun]

Do you reckon ferguson said anything at half time? Lol, I sometimes wonder if top clubs even bother with teamtalks with lower league opposition like yesterday.

iTV reporter: "What will the young players take from this"?

- Sir Alex: "Me losing my temper"

[santinomarella]

At home to Arsenal or Leyton Orient in the next round of the FA Cup!!

[mankind]

Looks like man utd v arsenal, we are at home and we should win :)

[Tutankhamun]

Is it Arsenal? Done yet?

[santinomarella]

Just starting I think.

[DangerousMali]

Bring it!

*looks at fixture more closely*

OLD TRAFFORD? **** this ****!

[Tutankhamun]

We may not be facing Arsenal, they drew today.