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Ballotelli must of said something for Ferdinand to react like that, Rio was probably within his rights to stove his face in.
Sorry to keep going on about this but in the last few days we've had:
Scholes - City are not rivals. They are not good enough. They don't have what it takes.
Rio - Raged at Milner for loosing his cool.
You know what I say to both of them, especially Scholes who lost his temper and disgraced himself:
http://www.abload.de/img/balotellig7hc.gif
santinomarella
04-16-2011, 21:04
So? That red card on Van Persie did ruin the game.. no idea what is wrong with that. Stop reading the tabloids that make Wilshere out to be a person who isn't modest because he always is and always puts the blame upon himself after a loss.
I don't complain about Rio's tweets either I like that Rio/Szczesny are honest. Incredibly stupid that player tweets need to be monitored.
That's my point, Wilshere often comes out and complains about various things on Twitter. The kind of thing DC is hoping for and I pointed that Rio is not like that.
This is where Rio now comes out on Twitter and calls Ballotelli a ****. :lol:
Scholes - City are not rivals. They are not good enough. They don't have what it takes.
You've twisted his words (Do you work for The Sun?) He said City are not real rivals because up until now it's teams like Arsenal and Chelsea who are United's rivals for silverware.
And also with Rio he said that his words were also twisted and he was not talking about City at all.
Do you still want Ballotelli to leave City?
DC is just living it up... enjoy it while it lasts it won't happen much often! :lol:
DC is just living it up... enjoy it while it lasts it won't happen much often! :lol:
I've waited 22 years for this to happen. No, in all seriousness, this is the start.
People write City off for not having experience of the big games. Yet our squad is made up of players like Yaya, Vieira, De Jong, Silva, Tevez, Hart etc who all have bags of international experience and they've won stuff.
Champions League, La Liga's, Premier Leagues, World Cups etc. It just goes on.
Also, Ferige decided not to hold a post match conference. Hmm...
http://tapa.tk/mu/520b80a5-fb41-126d.jpg
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 21:29
but were'nt the refs ruining the games? they have been doing it countless times all season tbh
refs have been shocking this year
It's not that they do it on purpose but they aren't consistent they judge certain teams and players differently and that's bad for the game. I blame it in the FA for dealing out punishments differently, and changing the rules, for different teams. Bad leadership at the top of an organization ripples down and effect the whole organization thats what's happened with the premiership.
Also a Arsenal fan got the 18k post here, don't like that :lol:
Barca.. what a bunch of divas! I hate Busquets and Pedro... no honesty!
http://tapa.tk/mu/520b80a5-fb41-126d.jpg
You made to eat your words today. You wrote us off and it came back to haunt you. Maybe I will remind you of this next season?
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 22:09
Mario spit on Anderson, City fans sang songs about Munich and started fights with United fans apparently. Whole organization stinks of no class.
clean515
04-16-2011, 22:21
Barca.. what a bunch of divas! I hate Busquets and Pedro... no honesty!
It is pretty amazing that Bicuits manages to be the biggest **** on the pitch when there is players like Alves and Pepe on too.
I've waited 22 years for this to happen. No, in all seriousness, this is the start.
People write City off for not having experience of the big games. Yet our squad is made up of players like Yaya, Vieira, De Jong, Silva, Tevez, Hart etc who all have bags of international experience and they've won stuff.
Champions League, La Liga's, Premier Leagues, World Cups etc. It just goes on.
Also, Ferige decided not to hold a post match conference. Hmm...
Thing is, you have the same problem RM have. You have good players, but you don't play as a team. Today you had a good 20-30mn that won the game for you. Berbatov should have put us 1-0 up and then it would have been a different game. Then in the 2nd half you came out the better team and scored, and we lacked any kind of physicality and creativity to come back, especially after the red card (deserved mind, so no complains... oh and btw I'd hardly say Scholes 'disgraced himself').
If Rooney wouldn't have been unjustly banned for this match, it could have been much different, though I suppose the same could be said about Tevez playing. Though with Rooney playing, we would have gone 2 up top and I don't think we would have played Scholes personally but we'll never know. Either way, the point is people write off City because you throw cash at every player and think they'll win you stuff when it takes more than big names to win trophies. Congratulations, you might win the FA cup... come back to me when you win the league or the CL. Not saying the FA cup is unimportant, I'd have defo loved to have reached the final, but ****ter teams then you have won it before.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 22:31
There's only one winner today and that's the White lady!
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 22:37
Funny that Anderson was the best player even though he didn't play much. That's the problem though, no midfielder ever plays on a consistent level everyone of them can be really bad sone days and really good another day. You never know what you're going to get from them must be a nightmare for the manager.
santinomarella
04-16-2011, 22:40
Apparently what angered Rio was Balotelli doing the plane thing in front of the United fans. Wouldn't surprise me if true.
Funny that Anderson was the best player even though he didn't play much. That's the problem though, no midfielder ever plays on a consistent level everyone of them can be really bad sone days and really good another day. You never know what you're going to get from them must be a nightmare for the manager.
Your best player maybe. But the best player on the pitch was Yaya closely followed by Zaba and Kompany.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 22:43
Hideously disrespectful if true should be a 10 match ban. City wouldn't really miss him.
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 22:44
Hideously disrespectful if true should be a 10 match ban. City wouldn't really miss him.
He won't be banned by the FA I can almost promise that.
Poor display... We deserved to lose. Though both sides played poorly, we played worse.
Still, this was least important of all 3 trophies... we can let city have this one (hope they bottle it like arsenal though ;) )
But the more important thing is that Balotelli is scum...
Does all that provoking... then hides behind his staff and manager...
Mancini should send him back to italy
Your best player maybe. But the best player on the pitch was Yaya closely followed by Zaba and Kompany.
Obviously he meant our best player...
Look we can go through the ins and outs of morons who attend football games.
United fan witnesses a fellow United fan try and throw a City fan from a bridge.
https://twitter.com/almanuman/status/59370454451892224
See? Both ways. But we have to accept there will always be morons.
And balotelli? Mancini says he will 'put him in jail'.
santinomarella
04-16-2011, 22:56
And balotelli? Mancini says he will 'put him in jail'.
What are your views on him now, few weeks back you wanted him gone. Have you done the same thing you have criticised many United fans for?
Look we can go through the ins and outs of morons who attend football games.
United fan witnesses a fellow United fan try and throw a City fan from a bridge.
https://twitter.com/almanuman/status/59370454451892224
See? Both ways. But we have to accept there will always be morons.
And balotelli? Mancini says he will 'put him in jail'.
No offense mate but don't believe anything you read on twitter...
Obviously both fan bases have bad apples... but singing about munich is still classless...
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 22:57
Seen it a few times now and still think the Scholsey red card was harsh. They both went for the ball with feet up just zabaleta got the ball first, should of been a yellow card.
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 23:00
Seen it a few times now and still think the Scholsey red card was harsh. They both went for the ball with feet up just zabaleta got the ball first, should of been a yellow card.
My initial reaction was a yellow but Scholes had his boot up high and with Dean that's always a red if it's a United player. Could have been either card. The City player that two footed Nani should have been sent off as well that's why Scholes red was annoying.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:06
My initial reaction was a yellow but Scholes had his boot up high and with Dean that's always a red if it's a United player. Could have been either card. The City player that two footed Nani should have been sent off as well that's why Scholes red was annoying.
Yeah no ones mentioned the two footed tackle, plus that they kept fouling us when we broke.
Initial reaction was yellow... But after words I think red was understandable. Mostly because he was bleeding afterwords, I didn't think he had been cut. Still was harsh though, but not a bad call.
Why didn't hernandez start though? 4-5-1 with berbatov? didn't seem to work well, despite his 2 good chances... should have been changed at the half for sure... took SAF to long to make changes TBH
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:10
I think we were the best team in the first half definitely the first 30 minutes, we controlled possession Carrick didn't give the ball away once.
We would of definitely won it with Wayne, still can't get my head around why it was a match ban, should of just been a fine.
Maybe his earpiece had audio lag?
Tutankhamun
04-16-2011, 23:14
Hernandez probably didn't start because he may not be able to play alone upfront I think he needs a partner. Both Hernandez and Berba kind of do, this is why I think Macheda has a big part next season he's a strong striker like Rooney that should be able to play with them both when Rooney can't.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:16
Will be interesting next season to see what happens with Kiko, Wellbeck, Clevers and the other youngsters.
Come on Liverpool tomorrow a draw will do.
santinomarella
04-16-2011, 23:16
Time to move on now, big game against Newcastle on Tuesday, still got a 19th league title and a 4th European Cup to try and win!
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:18
One thing that Fergie's good at is picking his players up after a defeat. Something Arsey Wenger can't do....
The annoying thing is we beat Chelsea in mid week and there a lot better team than City, maybe it took it out of us.
Your best player maybe. But the best player on the pitch was Yaya closely followed by Zaba and Kompany.
Thought your best player was Kompany tbh. Toure was good but not standout, and even his goal was gifted to him. Kompany & De Jong for me.
Seen it a few times now and still think the Scholsey red card was harsh. They both went for the ball with feet up just zabaleta got the ball first, should of been a yellow card.
It was definitely 100% a red card, even Scholes knew it, didn't protest or anything. Only the most deluded of fans could say it wasn't a red.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:37
Scholes isn't the type to argue and there's no point the refs not going to change his mind.
Was a harsh red card.
Scholes isn't the type to argue and there's no point the refs not going to change his mind.
Has a harsh red card.
Then I'm sorry my fine sir, but I think you're extremely deluded. :D
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:41
IMHO it was a harsh red card should of been a yellow card, they both went into the challenge with feet up.
IMHO it was a harsh red card should of been a yellow card, they both went into the challenge with feet up.
And Scholes got his studs on a player's thigh, cutting him open? If it was Carragher doing to to one of our players you'd be raging for hours. Man up.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:45
We all have different opinions.
A nice 3, 4 nil win will be great to bounce back on Tuesday, it's live on Sky sports as well!!
Hernandez probably didn't start because he may not be able to play alone upfront I think he needs a partner. Both Hernandez and Berba kind of do, this is why I think Macheda has a big part next season he's a strong striker like Rooney that should be able to play with them both when Rooney can't.
I wanted Hernandez and berbatov to start... No reason to play with only 1 up front. Should have started a 4-4-2.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:51
We often play a 4-5-1 against City cause they play a 5 man midfield and our midfield is our weakest part. Even if we play a 4-4-2 with Rooney in it he can drop back to help out the midfield.
Surebrec
04-16-2011, 23:55
Thought your best player was Kompany tbh. Toure was good but not standout, and even his goal was gifted to him. Kompany & De Jong for me.
It was definitely 100% a red card, even Scholes knew it, didn't protest or anything. Only the most deluded of fans could say it wasn't a red.
it's nice to see that there is at least one united supporter on here that isn't blinkered to the obvious, and for that, I give credit where it's due.
manutdfan
04-16-2011, 23:57
The Arsenal, Liverpool game should be interesting tomorrow.
I'm off to get a late night curry.
santinomarella
04-16-2011, 23:59
it's nice to see that there is at least one united supporter on here that isn't blinkered to the obvious, and for that, I give credit where it's due.
All I've seen is one United fan doubt that it was a red so I don't get your point here.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 00:01
Good point Santi boy.
Just thought Scholes could of got away with a booking.
I'm turning my I phone off now. Peace out...
We often play a 4-5-1 against City cause they play a 5 man midfield and our midfield is our weakest part. Even if we play a 4-4-2 with Rooney in it he can drop back to help out the midfield.
But when was the last time we played them 4-5-1 with berbatov? In the long run it was individual mistakes that cost us the game, we were far from being dominated at any point, so a 4-5-1 could have easily won it for us. But asking berba to play as the only striker up front was foolish IMO, not with hernandez available.
it's nice to see that there is at least one united supporter on here that isn't blinkered to the obvious, and for that, I give credit where it's due.
???
All I've seen is one United fan doubt that it was a red so I don't get your point here.
Excatly
You know what guys.
You can just ****ing shove it. That is for all of you who have took the ****. Who have hated me and my team, who have written us off. Who said we don't have the bottle and the experience.
:lol:
You won by one goal, from a ball that was gifted to you by Carrick. Come back when you've won a treble.
As far as our team goes; Berba is a donkey, Scholes needs to retire cause he's just a f****n liability, and Carrick needs to be sold.
I don't know why some of you are flogging Berbatov.. he has saved you from losing/drawing many games.
yourmumsface17
04-17-2011, 10:40
You know what guys.
You can just ****ing shove it. That is for all of you who have took the ****. Who have hated me and my team, who have written us off. Who said we don't have the bottle and the experience.
Typical classless City fan! You come in here and troll everyday and when you get some banter back you clearly take it like a girl. Why don't you go post in your own thread your opinions are completely irrelavent!
Well done on yesterday, was a silly mistake from Carrick who actually had a good game. It was a shame, you were well and truly there for the taking. I think if we had Rooney we may have beaten you, but we didn't so we didn't
It was a red, fair enough, although it just makes me angry at the Carragher on Nani.
You guys have your final in Wembley and hopefully soon we will have ours!
EDIT: Also I bet you were one of the ones to criticise Rooney and call him for a thug when swearing for scoring.
Well look what you just did. You got a rush of adrenaline and swore like crazy at us. Hope you can understand the adrenaline a United player would have on a football field after what Rooney has been through!
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 11:42
Yeah I agree I thought Carrick had a good game up until the mistake.
It's gutting to lose the game to a mistake.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 12:14
7Cantonas
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 12:24
You could see Rooneys passion for the club yesterday when he was sitting on the bench, living every minute of the game.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 12:34
Yeah I think Rooney is happy now, great to see.
You made to eat your words today. You wrote us off and it came back to haunt you. Maybe I will remind you of this next season?
bring it. to be fair tho, usually, when i predict city will fail, i'm not often wrong...anyhow, onwards and upwards for united...
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 13:36
Morning, disappointed we didn't get the win we were looking for, again thanks for the support. Now let's go + win some silverware.
If u score a goal+give a bit to opposing fans I kind of accept that but at the final whistle go to your own fans+enjoy it not opposing fans.
If I offended anyone I apologise, emotions obviously running high.
http://twitter.com/#!/rioferdy5
As I said yesterday, very respectful from Rio.
No need to apologise...after all, we know what type of ****** balotelli is...still can't get the balotelli image thumping the floor in rage when he got the ball taken away from him..in front of his own fans too..lol...****.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 14:07
Balotelli would never make it at United Fergie wouldn't stand for him. Vidic would end up putting him in a mayonnaise jar!
Balotelli would never make it at United Fergie wouldn't stand for him. Vidic would end up putting him in a mayonnaise jar!
Yep. he is a first class tosser..i think he will end up going anyhow.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 14:30
Yeah Rio is always respectful that's why I said it must of been something bad for him to react like that.
City deserved the win and I hope City go on and win it..... Stoke City that is. :mrgreen:
Just looked like a game to many yesterday, and if United do(hopefully) get to the final of the CL. Imagine if they had to play on that Wembley pitch a week or two before meeting Barcelona or Real, so the loss yesterday could be a blessing in disguise.
I hope the game yesterday doesn't do to Scholes, what the Stoke game did to Neville.
Yeah Rio is always respectful that's why I said it must of been something bad for him to react like that.
I don't think he needed to say anything, he just has one of those faces you'd really like to slap. Just ask Materazzi. :lol:
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 14:59
Modric, Rodwell and De Gea in, in the summer and I reckon were sorted can't think what other positions we' need maybe a right back? But that could wait till the summer after or from the academy.
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 15:05
So what are your predictions for the Liverpool Arsenal game? and by that I mean which Liverpool player do you think will assist Arsenal? Gerrard unavailable for a "back pass" this year. So I'm gonna say Carragher.
Hope Carroll is in the mood and gives the Arsenal centre backs a good kicking.
I hate myself for wanting Liverpool to win this game. I predict 3 - 1 to Liverpool.
C'mon liverpool...btw, does anybody know the channel number on sopcast for this game? i refuse to pay £15.00 quid a month for a sports channel that only periodically has anything interesting at all..
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 15:48
Just follow the links and it should work: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=112021&part=sports
Haven't tried them myself though, won't be watching.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 15:54
Nah Liverpool need to win this one! I'm going for nil nil.
Just follow the links and it should work: http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=112021&part=sports
Haven't tried them myself though, won't be watching.
How come? already bookmarked that link..just forgot i had it...duh!!. lol.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 16:15
How come? already bookmarked that link..just forgot i had it...duh!!. lol.
No reason really, have some other stuff to do that's all.
No reason really, have some other stuff to do that's all.
Fair enough. have a good afternoon anyways...gonna reflash my galaxy s before kick off..
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 16:30
Lol at FF comment on the Arsenal thread commentators on Sky didn't agree it was a penalty, would of been a harsh penalty but I've seen them given.
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 16:55
Looks like we will be cheering on Stoke in the FA Cup final. They're 3-0 up :D
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 17:18
Looks like we will be cheering on Stoke in the FA Cup final. They're 3-0 up :D
Yep we'll be Stoke fans for the day. Tony Pulis is from my hometown Newport.
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 18:04
Hahahahahahahahaha!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
I heard Dalglish tell Wenger to **** off, 2 game touchline ban?
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:04
What the hell! Did Arsenal blew it in the last second?
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 18:05
What the hell! Did Arsenal blew it in the last second?
Yup. Eboue gave away a very stupid penalty.
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 18:05
What the hell! Did Arsenal blew it in the last second?
Last kick of the game in the 101st minute! :lol:
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:06
Unreal, well thanks Arsenal! And Kenny swore at Wenger? Probably not the first one tbh.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:07
Dirk Diggler...
clean515
04-17-2011, 18:08
That was fun. http://i.imgur.com/a137n.png
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 18:08
Emmanuel Eboue. What can you say?
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:10
Eboue what was he thinking, obviously wasn't! Lucas Labia had his back to goal wasn't going anywhere....
I guess man utd have certainly won the title now :(
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 18:13
Not a certainty but it's a big step closer to title 19.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:15
Still not all over but the Liverpool late equalizer didn't hurt.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:18
If Arsenal drops points against Spurs it's probably done. Of course, all we need to do is to beat Arsenal when we play them hopefully we can do that.
Congratulations on #19. We'll just have to beat you to 20 ;).
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:22
We got to hammer it home now and beat Newcastle on Tuesday. Will be another step closer then to the promised land.
Arsey was at it again after the final whistle blaming everybody apart from his team.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:24
We got to hammer it home now and beat Newcastle on Tuesday. Will be another step closer then to the promised land.
Arsey was at it again after the final whistle blaming everybody apart from his team.
I think Newcastle will feel it on Tuesday, the backlash from losing out on the FA cup final won't be to play with. After that game Rooney is back as well!
If I remember correctly, SAF will be back on the touchline on Tuesday?
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 18:27
Surprised no one has pointed out that Ferguson was there and Liverpool scoring was after the 100th minute mark. You're slacking!
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:29
I think Newcastle will feel it on Tuesday, the backlash from losing out on the FA cup final won't be to play with. After that game Rooney is back as well!
If I remember correctly, SAF will be back on the touchline on Tuesday?
Rooneys back for the Newcastle game!!
I'm not 100% but I think Ferguson still has one more match ban.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:30
Rooneys back for the Newcastle game!!
Even better! Something tells me Rooney will be fired up for the rest of the season.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:31
Even better! Something tells me Rooney will be fired up for the rest of the season.
He will he had a BS two match ban he missed the game yesterday and the Fulham game.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:32
He will he had a BS two match ban he missed the game yesterday and the Fulham game.
Right, I think I got Fergie's ban and Rooney's confused. Rooney had a two game ban and Fergie a three game ban right? I got it the other way around.
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 18:40
Rooney got a 2 match ban.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:41
Right, I think I got Fergie's ban and Rooney's confused. Rooney had a two game ban and Fergie a three game ban right? I got it the other way around.
Wasn't fergies 5 now you got me confused lol.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:43
Wasn't fergies 5 now you got me confused lol.
Haha I don't remember! Rep to anyone who knows :lol:
R3D D3V!L
04-17-2011, 18:45
5 match ban:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9426939.stm
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 18:46
So he'll be back after the Newcastle game then?
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 18:49
I'm pretty sure it was 5 matches was a long ban cause it was Fergie and Man United, I think it runs out after Tuesdays game...
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 19:06
666 - six point gap...six goals better off...six games left...#mufc
@mrmujac (https://twitter.com/mrmujac/status/59664301799120897)
The devil is in the details.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 19:24
@mrmujac (https://twitter.com/mrmujac/status/59664301799120897)
The devil is in the details.
Well spotted!!
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 19:31
United's new away shirt (http://www.footballshirtculture.com/11/12-kits/manchester-united-2011-12-nike-away-shirt-leaked.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FootballShirtCultureBlog+%28F ootball+Shirt+Culture+Blog%29) not confirmed though.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 19:51
United's new away shirt (http://www.footballshirtculture.com/11/12-kits/manchester-united-2011-12-nike-away-shirt-leaked.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FootballShirtCultureBlog+%28F ootball+Shirt+Culture+Blog%29) not confirmed though.
Seems decent enough, I haven't bought an away shirt for a while now. I always buy the home shirt.
Looks nice, just weird that it's blue. Same goes for the rumors that Liverpool's third kit will have blue.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 19:56
Theres a drama about the Munich disaster on BBC 2 next week. David Tennant is in it.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 20:03
My last shirt has Beckham on it and I don't fit in it anymore, if the new home kit is nice I think I will get a Rooney one when they come out.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 20:10
My last shirt has Beckham on it and I don't fit in it anymore, if the new home kit is nice I think I will get a Rooney one when they come out.
I think I'll get Rooney on the back of the new home shirt also.
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 20:34
Martin Ferguson is at Cornella following De Gea...
@guillembalague (https://twitter.com/guillembalague/status/59699756821254144)
Nice.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 20:45
Yeah i'm watching the game on sky sports now, it's 1 - 1
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 20:59
Is De Gea playing well? Would suck if he was playing bad when the scout is there :p
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 21:15
Madrid are winning 2-1 now. Yeah he hasn't had that much to do the goal was a wicked deflection, he's looked solid and commanding with crosses into his box. He might be keeping an eye on Godin as well...
Tutankhamun
04-17-2011, 21:19
Madrid are winning 2-1 now. Yeah he hasn't had that much to do the goal was a wicked deflection, he's looked solid and commanding with crosses into his box. He might be keeping an eye on Godin as well...
All right sounds good.
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HAS EVRA ALLOWED HIS STANDARDS TO SLIP?
It is crazy to believe that this is even being debated, but such has been the dip in form of Manchester United’s left-back Patrice Evra the question has to be raised, has he become a liability?
Two years ago, in both the Premier League and the Champions League, Patrice Evra was thought of as Manchester United’s most consistent players. Clearly the player has not lost any ability, but there has been a change in his mentality. Is his mentality right to lead Manchester United into a Champions League semi final and two crucial games against Arsenal and Chelsea?
The Champions League semi final second leg against Chelsea was a game in which Manchester United were comfortable, even with the second half introduction of Didier Drogba. Patrice Evra found himself out of position on so many occasions, Drogba was able to roll of the full back very easily, something that led to Chelsea’s goal at Old Trafford. Last season in the Champions League quarter final first leg, Evra was found wanting against Bayern Munich. Against lesser opposition in a less important fixture you can sometimes excuse such sloppiness, however these are big games. Manchester United need their back four to be switched on in these high pressure games – is Evra letting the side down?
It is an argument that seems a little flawed.
Patrice Evra is still one of the best full backs going forward. He is constantly bombing up and down the line, looking to drive Manchester United forward, and that part of his game hasn’t changed too much over the years. However, unlike Ashley Cole, it seems as though Patrice Evra has lost a certain amount of confidence in the defensive aspect of his game. Very rarely would you see Evra diving in at wingers, but nowadays it is the norm. A fair excuse for his dip in form would be what happened at the World Cup and his subsequent suspension from the France national team. His mind at the start of the season could have been all over the place, something Sir Alex Ferguson must have been wary of. However, he has got himself back into the France team and you would feel whatever happened at the World Cup is now behind him.
Manchester United do not have a player that could replace Evra, and there are few players in Europe that are considered better than him. I am not for one minute arguing that Manchester United should replace the full back, merely that a bit of competition may bring Evra back to the level he set himself. There is no doubt that his standards have dropped this season and he must improve. Manchester United are not carrying Evra yet, but in a consistent back four he is looking ragged as we approach the end of the season.
As it stands he is still at a level where he is a first choice player. However, if he continues to perform like he did against Chelsea and yesterday evening against Manchester City, a player that is now 30 may not be considered as indispensable as he once was.
The Busby Way (http://TheBusbyWay.com/2011/04/17/has-evra-allowed-his-standards-to-slip/)
It's a good question, if he needs rest, Fabio looks capable of playing well right now.
manutdfan
04-17-2011, 21:30
It's 2-2 now nothing he could do for the goal was a cracking header. He must be good cause Sergio Asenjo is a good young keeper and he's keeping him out of the team.
santinomarella
04-17-2011, 23:43
Gareth Bale is the PFA Player of the Year :cuss2
Jack Wilshere is the Young Player of the Year. Deserved but annoying because of Nani over looked in player of the year, so wanted him to get this one.
Team of the year:
Van der Sar (Man Utd)
Sagna (Arsenal)
Cole (Chelsea)
Vidic (Man Utd)
Kompany (Man City)
Nani (Man Utd)
Nasri (Arsenal)
Wilshere (Arsenal)
Bale (Tottenham)
Tevez (Man City)
Berbatov (Man Utd)
Bale is overhyped. Only good against ageing defenders.
Kompany deserves his place in that team. The guy will soon be the best centre back in the league.
DangerousMali
04-18-2011, 00:04
WTF has Bale done? apart from whooping Rafa Benitez Inter Milan???
Theo Walcott has had a better season than him, just look at the stats
to even begin to compare him to Nani is a joke, who clearly should be Player of the year
WTF has Bale done? apart from whooping Rafa Benitez Inter Milan???
Theo Walcott has had a better season than him, just look at the stats
to even begin to compare him to Nani is a joke, who clearly should be Player of the year
Agreed on all accounts.. I may not like Nani but he should have been Player of the year if he were included.
Media has a love affair with Bale honestly.
Check this out.
http://mcfc.co.uk/Video/Features/FA-Cup-Wembley-tunnel-cam
FA Tunnel Cam provided by FATV. Shows you what it's really like to arrive at Wembley, go out to warm up, stand in that tunnel full of nerves, come in at half time for team talks and go out again. Shows plenty of United legends too in and around the tunnel. A good insight.
Metal Warrior
04-18-2011, 10:02
Team of the year is fairly close. I'd say out of that midfield 4 Bale has been the least impressive and consistent, POTY or not. I would've thrown him out, put Nasri in his position and include Modric, who has been far more consistent than Bale. A very undeserved award, and I even like Bale as a player. He just hasn't been anywhere near consistent enough.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 11:03
What kind of BS is it that when Rooney swears he gets banned for two games and crucified in the media but when Kenny Dalglish swears the media praises him?
Metal Warrior
04-18-2011, 12:14
What kind of BS is it that when Rooney swears he gets banned for two games and crucified in the media but when Kenny Dalglish swears the media praises him?
There's a difference, Rooney swore into the camera. I didn't agree with his ban but this is still very different. Anyway the ban is over now, let it rest. Swearing at Wenger is fun, made Kenny go up in my estimation. :lol:
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 12:56
There's a difference, Rooney swore into the camera. I didn't agree with his ban but this is still very different. Anyway the ban is over now, let it rest. Swearing at Wenger is fun, made Kenny go up in my estimation. :lol:
But the rule is swearing in general it doesn't need to be directed at the camera. You can clearly here Kenny swear from the footage thus, with this rule now enforced, it should be a ban. But it won't be since there's two rulebooks; One for Untied, one for the rest.
Swearing happens in football.
One argument is Kenny is there doing his job. The cameras are an addition to that, strictly speaking they are not part of his job, they are just there to watch. He swore, the camera picked it up. He didn't swear INTO the camera like Rooney. Rooney went out of his way to do that. Kenny just swore, he didn't go find a camera man and swear in to it. The camera found him.
I swear in my job. It's acceptable as long as you don't offend the people who you are there to serve or entertain. In my case it's customers.
United fans seem desperate to punish others now.
Metal Warrior
04-18-2011, 13:41
But the rule is swearing in general it doesn't need to be directed at the camera. You can clearly here Kenny swear from the footage thus, with this rule now enforced, it should be a ban. But it won't be since there's two rulebooks; One for Untied, one for the rest.
Like I said, let it rest. Going on complaining about it isn't going to help anyone. You should be better than that last sentence. The FA has a million rulebooks they apply at random, don't get all consipiracy theorist. You can't complain about all the other fans claiming the FA favours United and then do the same in the other direction. Show you're better than that.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 13:54
Swearing happens in football.
One argument is Kenny is there doing his job. The cameras are an addition to that, strictly speaking they are not part of his job, they are just there to watch. He swore, the camera picked it up. He didn't swear INTO the camera like Rooney. Rooney went out of his way to do that. Kenny just swore, he didn't go find a camera man and swear in to it. The camera found him.
I swear in my job. It's acceptable as long as you don't offend the people who you are there to serve or entertain. In my case it's customers.
United fans seem desperate to punish others now.
That's a flawed and narrow way to look at it, Rooney was also doing his job he was on the pitch during the incident. The cameraman entered the pitch, Rooney's workspace, and caught Rooney swearing during his job. So, if we accept your premise, Rooney didn't do anything wrong.
I don't think anyone is desperate to punish others but rules are rules, they should be enforced equally otherwise they lose their meaning and one can begin to suspect corruption.
Like I said, let it rest. Going on complaining about it isn't going to help anyone. You should be better than that last sentence. The FA has a million rulebooks they apply at random, don't get all consipiracy theorist. You can't complain about all the other fans claiming the FA favours United and then do the same in the other direction. Show you're better than that.
I've come to realized they don't favor anyone in particular the problem is more broader; They don't know what the **** they are doing. You say they have a million rulebooks and apply them at random that's true and that's the problem. They should have a clear rulebook that's published and well known to the players and managers and follow it without any BIAS.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 14:17
I wonder if there will be many changes for tomorrow's team, I'd imagine Rooney and Chicho will start.
Metal Warrior
04-18-2011, 14:29
Rooney defo, Giggs will probably play as well seeing as he was spared against City. I think we might see Ando from the start.
That's a flawed and narrow way to look at it, Rooney was also doing his job he was on the pitch during the incident. The cameraman entered the pitch, Rooney's workspace, and caught Rooney swearing during his job. So, if we accept your premise, Rooney didn't do anything wrong.
No Tut. He didn't catch Rooney doing his job. Rooney swore AT the camera. He went out of his way to swear at the camera. He looked down the lens and swore, that's not innocently getting caught.
Thats a very blinkered way to look at it. You can't defend Rooney! It's done with now, get over it.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 14:36
No Tut. He didn't catch Rooney doing his job. Rooney swore AT the camera. He went out of his way to swear at the camera. He looked down the lens and swore, that's not innocently getting caught.
Thats a very blinkered way to look at it. You can't defend Rooney! It's done with now, get over it.
The cameraman entered Rooney's work space, if Rooney had gone out from the pitch it would have been a different story. Rooney did not have to swear and he shouldn't have - but this just means they now have to ban everyone that swears and it's clear the FA have no intention to do that.
Never defended Rooney about this, never thought it was ban but I never defended him now I'm just interested in seeing if they'll be consistent on this which they aren't so far.
Seems decent enough, I haven't bought an away shirt for a while now. I always buy the home shirt.
I hope that's a fake. When have United had hoops on their strip? :confused:
That added time yesterday was the best I've watched since the CL final of 99. :lol:
santinomarella
04-18-2011, 14:41
Can you imagine if United got an equaliser in the 12th minute of stoppage time? :lol: People would go insane. :lol: It's all congratulations to Liverpool though.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 14:45
Confirming what we already knew: Scholes will miss games against Newcastle, Everton and Arsenal.
@nickcoppack (https://twitter.com/#!/nickcoppack/status/59975432325439488)
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 15:54
Yeah Wayne should of just got a fine. That would of been punishment enough for what he did.
The cameraman entered Rooney's work space, if Rooney had gone out from the pitch it would have been a different story. Rooney did not have to swear and he shouldn't have - but this just means they now have to ban everyone that swears and it's clear the FA have no intention to do that.
Never defended Rooney about this, never thought it was ban but I never defended him now I'm just interested in seeing if they'll be consistent on this which they aren't so far.
there is a difference between someone purposely looking into a camera and swearing, and a camera catching someone swearing.
Rooney knew what he was doing.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 16:15
there is a difference between someone purposely looking into a camera and swearing, and a camera catching someone swearing.
Rooney knew what he was doing.
Considering he was provoked by the cameraman (he asked Wayne to kiss the camera) his reaction, although wrong, can't be considered a planned act.
yourmumsface17
04-18-2011, 16:19
No Tut. He didn't catch Rooney doing his job. Rooney swore AT the camera. He went out of his way to swear at the camera. He looked down the lens and swore, that's not innocently getting caught.
Thats a very blinkered way to look at it. You can't defend Rooney! It's done with now, get over it.
Ok firstly the camera was shoved in Rooney's face not the other way round. The camera man was that side of the goal because he knows Rooney often celebrates that way. The camera man asked him to kiss the camera. Rooney clearly didn't want to lol...........Lets look at this psychologically. He had just come under 6 months of HUGE criticism and scored a hattrick to complete a come back. Sorry but he must be entitled to some sort of release...........May I add Ballack got a megaphone in the same week and said "FC Cologne are ****" and only got a 5k fine......................He swore into the camera. He was in euphoria. Dc after City finally won a game and will finally end your trophy drought you said we can "****ing shove it". I assume if there was a camera in your face you may have sworn yes?I expect you to have a 2 game ban from this thread now :D.................Anyway.. did the punishment fit the crime? He swore so he got a 2 game ban? what? It seems odd to me.Why not a fine?Why not mandatory community service to go to schools and promote the respect the ref campaign?It all stinks to me and seems that the supposedly "working class game" of football has started taking itself too seriously........Oh well what do I know
EDIT: damn comp if someone can edit this into paragraphs thatd be great lol
(Have to use dots instead of paras)
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 16:33
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And not to forget - the respect campaign is about respecting the referees not the camera nor the sport itself so people playing that argument can stop.
Considering he was provoked by the cameraman (he asked Wayne to kiss the camera) his reaction, although wrong, can't be considered a planned act.
Proof?
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 16:42
Proof?
It was widely reported, although never investigated by the FA, after the game both by people in the arena and by journalists on services such as Twitter and FaceBook. Rooney had also endured an incredible amount of abuse from the West Ham fans, some of it crossing the line of insulting his family.
It was widely reported, although never investigated by the FA, after the game both by people in the arena and by journalists on services such as Twitter and FaceBook. Hearsay.
Rooney had also endured an incredible amount of abuse from the West Ham fans, some of it crossing the line of insulting his family.
Banter.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 16:49
Hearsay.
Banter.
Not really no, it was as confirmed as it can get without the FA doing an investigation and confirming it everyone else was saying the cameraman was on the pitch. What's unclear is if they are allowed to be on the pitch or not that we just don't know, since the FA has not investigated the matter I don't think we'll ever know.
Banter? Sure it is banter but it's also influential in understanding why Rooney reacted how he reacted.
Not really no, it was as confirmed as it can get without the FA doing an investigation and confirming it everyone else was saying the cameraman was on the pitch.Sounds like hearsay...
What's unclear is if they are allowed to be on the pitch or not that we just don't know, since the FA has not investigated the matter I don't think we'll ever know.
Not sure why this was brought up?
Banter? Sure it is banterAh, so you agree.
but it's also influential in understanding why Rooney reacted how he reacted.
Not sure why this was brought up, either. Not really on point with what i originally eluded to.
yourmumsface17
04-18-2011, 17:05
Bout to head out but one parting thought..Smiggy **** off lol
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 17:06
Sounds like hearsay...
Not sure why this was brought up?
Ah, so you agree.
Not sure why this was brought up, either. Not really on point with what i originally eluded to.
Not hearsay, hearsay means a story is told back by a third person unrelated to the original story. The reports of the cameraman being on the pitch is backed up by many, many people that were there.
If the cameraman was allowed to be on the pitch, in many people's opinion, should have been considered when dealing out punishment for Rooney.
I agree its part of banter by fans but its not black and white, it's banter but it also needs to be considered in understanding why Rooney committed a wrongful act. Not saying it's an excuse but I am saying it played a part.
Not hearsay, hearsay means a story is told back by a third person unrelated to the original story. The reports of the cameraman being on the pitch is backed up by many, many people that were there. The journalist heard the cameraman say XYZ, that's hearsay. How they could've heard though is beyond me, espicially since the camera didn't didn't pick up him saying anything.
If the cameraman was allowed to be on the pitch, in many people's opinion, should have been considered when dealing out punishment for Rooney. I agree, however i never brought that up in the first place, i was just puzzled why you did.
I agree its part of banter by fans but its not black and white, it's banter but it also needs to be considered in understanding why Rooney committed a wrongful act. Not saying it's an excuse but I am saying it played a part.Why does it?
squirrelbo1
04-18-2011, 17:22
Bout to head out but one parting thought..Smiggy **** off lol
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Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 17:39
The journalist heard the cameraman say XYZ, that's hearsay. How they could've heard though is beyond me, espicially since the camera didn't didn't pick up him saying anything.
I believe it was heard by the photographers close by. Why we couldn't hear it? That's easy, in production you can actually filter out sounds coming from the surroundings (and people) so likely that happened. They could have chosen not to let Rooney's insulting language be broadcasted but they chose not to.
I agree, however i never brought that up in the first place, i was just puzzled why you did.
Thought it was related to the case. If the camera man had not entered the pitch this whole thing may never have happened thus that has to be considered. In a trial, if there's prejudice to a crime often that plays a part in the punishment to the person that committed the crime.
Why does it?
Because if you don't consider all the evidence in a trial or investigation you can never get the whole truth and understand the actions taken to 100%.
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santinomarella
04-18-2011, 17:53
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSGPqkIEy68&feature=player_embedded
Looking forward to this.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 17:54
Everyone knows it should of been a fine and not involve a match ban.
RobJackson85
04-18-2011, 18:02
NSFW warning, 'obscene' language
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOENd_S-Ybc
From this you can see that the camera man does enter the pitch, and almost straight away leaves and is stood close to the dead ball line.
He was a roaming camera man and therefore I think is entitled to get up close to players and the field of play to catch celebrations.
Once the full time whistle blows there is always one of them running onto the pitch and pointing their lens at a player.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIahv1ABbYo
You can clearly hear Dalglish in this video, you know exactly what he says. I think cameras picking players up and us lip reading is OK, yet actually hearing the words could cause offence to some people. (fortunately I'm not one of them)
The only thing against Rooney's is that it was direct at the camera, he knew it was there. Dalglish on the other hand probably didn't realise it was that close.
If Dalglish was any other 'probelm' player, i.e Joey Barton or Lee Bowyer then personally I think they would be punished. However seeing as though this is Dalglish I think he may get a tap on the wrist and told to make an apology.
Also I do not condone what Rooney did, I thought it was wrong, he SHOULD NOT have sworn the way he did. Especially as it was after his celebration. Rooney needs to look at players like Giggs and Owen, they are true ambassadors for the sport, they have moments of true genius (Giggs' - FA vs Arsenal and Owen - World Cup vs Argentina) and celebrate in a decent way.
It's like the old saying goes;
You can take the boy out of Liverpool but you can't take the Liverpool out the boy.
*Disclaimer - Liverpool is full of nice people, but you get the odd tough nut.
santinomarella
04-18-2011, 18:17
Have you heard that Rio has a stalker? :lol: She kept coming round to his house late at night and kept wanting to talk with him. When he asked her what she wanted, she said they would have to sit down and talk about it for a few hours :lol: She even represented herself in court so she could talk to him. When she left court she said she would see him soon. :shock: She's been found guilty and there is a warrant for her arrest. :lol:
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/rio-and-his-stalker/
Have you heard that Rio has a stalker? :lol: She kept coming round to his house late at night and kept wanting to talk with him. When he asked her what she wanted, she said they would have to sit down and talk about it for a few hours :lol: She even represented herself in court so she could talk to him. When she left court she said she would see him soon. :shock: She's been found guilty and there is a warrant for her arrest. :lol:
http://therepublikofmancunia.com/rio-and-his-stalker/
She sounds like that character from Dirty Sexy Funny by Olivia Lee. 8-)
squirrelbo1
04-18-2011, 18:30
haha brilliant
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 18:53
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manutdfan
04-18-2011, 18:55
Still raging on is it Rooney gate...
It's over now Tut! He's served his ban!
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 19:11
Was a BS ban though...
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 19:19
It's over now Tut! He's served his ban!
Yeah sure, but as a case, it's still interesting to discuss it's merits and how it will effect the future of the league.
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Fun story:
Fergie: My wife won't let me keep my medals in the house
After claiming 11 Premier League crowns, five FA Cups, four League Cups, two European Cups, a European Cup-Winners Cup and several other trophies to boot at Manchester United, Sir Alex Ferguson has a medal haul beyond comparison.
But the Red Devils' boss has revealed he is forbidden to keep a single piece of silverware inside his house by his wife, Cathy, who was not even impressed with the knighthood he received in 1999.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/04/18/article-1378080-0156140200000578-456_468x337.jpg
Silver fox: Ferguson has an unequalled haul of trophies among British managers
Ferguson said in an interview with the LMA's The Manager magazine: 'I prefer to think about what's ahead and what next I can achieve, and I think that has kept my feet on the ground quite well. I've never got carried away with it.
'My wife, Cathy, is fed up with the whole thing. When Alastair Campbell phoned her about my knighthood she said to him, "Do you not think he's had enough rewards?"
'You'll not find a thing about my career in the house at all. She's unbelievable. I can't even take a football book home or she'll say, "What are you doing with that?"'
Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1378080/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-My-wife-doesnt-let-medals-house.html?ITO=1490&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Fergie does not wear the pants in that house :p
So what? Maybe you don't have experience in broadcasting but you can filter out things live nowadays it's not hard and channels does it often.
So you're saying they filtered out the cameraman's voice on live television... yeah, ok.
He did. Still haven't shown conclusive proof.
It's not irrelevant since it's evidence.It has no bearing on the case, it's irrelevant.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 21:20
So you're saying they filtered out the cameraman's voice on live television... yeah, ok.
They probably did yeah, since live isn't live you can use that split second and let the software take a frequency out so they probably had it set to capture high noises which Rooney's sentence what. The cameraman probably didn't spoke in a high tone.
Still haven't shown conclusive proof.
What would you consider conclusive proof if witness reports isn't enough?
It has no bearing on the case, it's irrelevant.
It didn't have any bearing on the case but it can still help us understand the case or, if nothing else, have academic value.
santinomarella
04-18-2011, 21:28
Here's something that makes what Rooney done look like something you'd see at play school. Call Rooney a thug? These are the really thugs in football...
1.08 point of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMa4ZoRj5js&feature=topvideos_education
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 21:37
The flares are cool though, want to see more flares.
santinomarella
04-18-2011, 21:40
The flares are cool though, want to see more flares.
As long as there not thrown at people lol, but the bit I was referring to was the big guy being pushed and hit by those 2 City fans.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 21:42
As long as there not thrown at people lol, but the bit I was referring to was the big guy being pushed and hit by those 2 City fans.
Yeah I agree, violence has no place in sports neither does vandalism.
They probably did yeah, since live isn't live you can use that split second and let the software take a frequency out so they probably had it set to capture high noises which Rooney's sentence what. The cameraman probably didn't spoke in a high tone. Well, it that's what you believe i won't argue further. I'm not buying that however.
What would you consider conclusive proof if witness reports isn't enough?Hearing him on the footage would be conclusive.[/quote]
if nothing else, have academic value.
Perhaps.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 21:54
Well, it that's what you believe i won't argue further. I'm not buying that however.
Its not what I believe, it's common practice in live broadcasting how do reckon they add live subtitles to shows? Same deal. During the last World Cup, as you may remember, people had these annoying horns and people asked for them to be filtered out the channel broadcasting the WC here said they could do that but they didn't because it added to the atmosphere. Well it turned out a developer of a software that let's you watch TV on your computer didn't agree he pushed an update to his software that had the option to filter out the horns and it was awesome!
I'm not saying they intentionally planned for it not to be heard but it was just the effect of how they have the broadcast setup. Remember, cameramen talk with the rest of the crew as well so it's probably always setup to be like this so we don't hear that.
Its not what I believe, it's common practice in live broadcasting how do reckon they add live subtitles to shows? Same deal. During the last World Cup, as you may remember, people had these annoying horns and people asked for them to be filtered out the channel broadcasting the WC here said they could do that but they didn't because it added to the atmosphere. Well it turned out a developer of a software that let's you watch TV on your computer didn't agree he pushed an update to his software that had the option to filter out the horns and it was awesome!
I'm not saying they intentionally planned for it not to be heard but it was just the effect of how they have the broadcast setup. Remember, cameramen talk with the rest of the crew as well so it's probably always setup to be like this so we don't hear that.
Except they work by filtering out a particular frequency, unless you're suggesting they knew the cameraman's frequency, filtered his voice then let Rooney's through, which is quite frankly, is incredibly dumb.
FWIW i have never seen live subtitles.
Yeah they're not real City fans. They are a disgrace.
In all seriousness I've been to at least 6 Manchester Derby's. I have never personally seen physical violence.
In other news:
http://stretfordenders.net/stretford-end-city-banner-city-ticker-35-years-under-threat/
Things are getting desperate!
santinomarella
04-18-2011, 22:12
In other news:
http://stretfordenders.net/stretford-end-city-banner-city-ticker-35-years-under-threat/
Things are getting desperate!
I'd like to see the banner replaced with something relating to 19th league title if we win it! Concentrate on ourselves not City.
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 22:15
Except they work by filtering out a particular frequency, unless you're suggesting they knew the cameraman's frequency, filtered his voice then let Rooney's through, which is quite frankly, is incredibly dumb.
FWIW i have never seen live subtitles.
They don't need to know his frequency, as I said earlier you only have to have the mic set to pickup sounds higher than whatever decibel you want that's probably what happened here. But since the FA doesn't want to investigate...
Live subtitles probably isn't common in English speaking nations I've seen it a few times here. What you actually do then is you intentionally delay the broadcast just a second and you have someone who can really type on your team.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 22:32
LOL at that fat guy getting pushed.
Yeah who gives a **** about what City are doing it's a stupid banner. Need banners about Man United.
Surebrec
04-18-2011, 22:36
Live subtitles probably isn't common in English speaking nations I've seen it a few times here. What you actually do then is you intentionally delay the broadcast just a second and you have someone who can really type on your team.
that's bull****
I know what you are talking about, I've seen it, and the way you are saying it is not how it's done.
the subtitles are generated automatically using speech recognition programs, a similar technology is being implemented in selected youtube videos. the thought of the feed being delayed by a split second so someone can manually type the subtitles as they happen, is almost as whacky as your theory involving alien hybrid breeding programs involving twins.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 22:41
****ing BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 22:42
that's bull****
I know what you are talking about, I've seen it, and the way you are saying it is not how it's done.
the subtitles are generated automatically using speech recognition programs, a similar technology is being implemented in selected youtube videos. the thought of the feed being delayed by a split second so someone can manually type the subtitles as they happen, is almost as whacky as your theory involving alien hybrid breeding programs involving twins.
It's not BS you can do it like that, probably isn't common but you can. They did it here for a show but then they were in NYC and broadcasted live to Sweden so they probably didn't have to delay anything. But I know they typed by hand because they said so much unless they were joking.
But we should probably get back on topic.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 22:46
I'm getting my team prediction in early for tomorrow:
VDS
O'Shea Smalling Vidic Evra
Valencia Anderson Giggs Nani
Rooney Chicho.
Surebrec
04-18-2011, 22:48
it is bull****, don't argue. you don't know what you are talking about. all the major tv companies use voice recognition for live events, that is why the subtitles are more often than not several seconds behind the video footage. it's also the reason why you see a lot of typing mistakes that are out of context.
the only time typed subtitles are used, is when subtitling is being applied to recorded tv shows, music videos, movies etc.
but anyway, like you said, get back on topic
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 22:52
it is bull****, don't argue. you don't know what you are talking about. all the major tv companies use voice recognition for live events, that is why the subtitles are more often than not several seconds behind the video footage. it's also the reason why you see a lot of typing mistakes that are out of context.
the only time typed subtitles are used, is when subtitling is being applied to recorded tv shows, music videos, movies etc.
but anyway, like you said, get back on topic
That's what they said anyway, if they were kidding? Who knows.
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I'm getting my team prediction in early for tomorrow:
VDS
O'Shea Smalling Vidic Evra
Valencia Anderson Giggs Nani
Rooney Chicho.
Pretty much, Rafael for O'Shea if he's fit. Probably Carrick for Giggs.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 23:04
I hope they come out firing from the first whistle tomorrow, got a point to prove. Get Saturday out of there system!
Tutankhamun
04-18-2011, 23:06
I hope they come out firing from the first whistle tomorrow, got a point to prove. Get Saturday out of there system!
Yeah if we win were close to #19 hope we can win it would take some pressure off the players.
manutdfan
04-18-2011, 23:24
Yeah if we win were close to #19 hope we can win it would take some pressure off the players.
Yep will be a huge step towards number 19!
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 08:27
Man Utd can respond after FA Cup defeat
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/52236000/jpg/_52236508_vandersar.jpg
Van der Sar is to retire at the end of the season
Keeper Edwin van der Sar insists Manchester United will have no trouble raising their game for Tuesday's Premier League trip to Newcastle.
United were knocked out of the FA Cup by rivals Manchester City on Saturday.
But Arsenal's 1-1 draw against Liverpool on Sunday means they still have a six-point lead at the top of the table with only six games left.
"It won't be difficult to pick ourselves up. We know how important the league is," said Van der Sar.
"We are in first position, so we just have to make the best of it.
"We were a little bit tired [on Saturday]. The pace of our game was not quick enough.
"We have played a big number of games in the last three or four weeks and against Newcastle we must do better."
After Yaya Toure's 52nd-minute winner ended United's treble hopes on Saturday at Wembley, Dirk Kuyt's dramatic 102nd-minute penalty for Liverpool to rescue a point against the Gunners was the perfect outcome for the Premier League leaders.
They now know 13 points from their last six games will be enough to claim the title for a record 19th time, with games against their two closest rivals, Arsenal (away) and Chelsea (home), still to come.
Sir Alex Ferguson's team have an excellent record at St James' Park and prior to Saturday's defeat they had won seven matches in a row.
"It is always nicer when you find form straight away," added Van der Sar.
"We were a bit scrappy in the first half of the season and conceded some last-minute goals that cost us a few points. When things like that happen, it doesn't do your self-confidence a lot of good.
"On the positive side, you need mental strength in certain games when you keep conceding in the last minute or the ball is not going in.
"It shows the strength of character and the belief this manager has in the quality of his team that we were able to come through those moments."
But the Dutchman insists the overall mood is still good at United as the season enters its crucial final weeks.
"You get confidence when you get on a roll," he commented.
"When you are not struggling and you get your players back it is bound to make everyone feel better about themselves.
"There are goals in the team too and defensively we are sound.
"No one likes to lose at any time but in general there is a good feeling about how things are going."
BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/13123903.stm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Today (along with Spurs v Arsenal tomorrow) can make or break our season. If we drop points today and Arsenal win tomorrow then I genuinely think they'll win the league, and it'll really knock our confidence in the CL as well.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 17:48
It's a big game, I don't think it's season deciding just because the big game Man United vs Arsenal is still to be played that may be title deciding. But we need to win today regardless just because of confidence.
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 18:59
Van Der Sar; O'Shea, Vidic, Smalling, Evra; Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Giggs; Rooney, Hernandez
Substitues: Kuszczak, Owen, Park, Fabio, J. Evans, Valencia, Gibson
Berbatov's confidence will have hit an all time low. :-(
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 19:01
Maybe he's injured? It's such an important game I can't imagine SAF not wanting Berba on the bench.
Maybe he's injured? It's such an important game I can't imagine SAF not wanting Berba on the bench.
/He travelled with the squad but didnt make the bench.
Punishment?
/He travelled with the squad but didnt make the bench.
Punishment?
Probably, I think this is Berbatov's last season for us... and it'll have been his best.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 19:07
/He travelled with the squad but didnt make the bench.
Punishment?
For what? Have to think injury maybe a late injury picked up during training.
For what? Have to think injury maybe a late injury picked up during training.
Because it was berba's fault you lost to city?
WOW I hope he is injured because if he is not it could be bye bye berby.
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 19:13
Wasn't Berbatov's fault.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 19:14
Because it was berba's fault you lost to city?
No it wasn't, he missed two chances sure but you can't expect a striker to score on every opportunity. We lost to City because of the same reason every time we lose; Our midfield stops playing as well as they can we have no consistency in our midfield.
The team played poorly on a whole in teh 2nd half but I do agree that if it was anyone's fault, it's Berba's. Not just those two chances, but everytime he had the ball in attack he took horrid touches, made the wrong choice, etc.
I can't get my head around it... one week he'll be absolute quality and more then good enough for United, the next week I don't even think he'd be good enough for a EL side. I don't mind keeping him as backup, but I'd much rather Rooney/Chicha being our 2 strikers.
A lot of my friends are season ticket holders at OT, went to wembley on saturday,and they all blamed berba.
They agree that this has been his best season, but his performances are sporadic at best. He is not first choice.
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 19:31
Berbatov's often used as the scapegoat so no surprise there.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 19:31
A lot of my friends are season ticket holders at OT, went to wembley on saturday,and they all blamed berba.
They agree that this has been his best season, but his performances are sporadic at best. He is not first choice.
It's a team sport can't blame one player IMO. That being said, did Berba play well? No. He's probably gone in the summer but I've thought that for a while.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 20:38
Evra is absolute garbage yet again. I don't know what's happened there, he's lost every ability as a footballer. He's turned into the most useless player we have in the squad. He needs a rest, a very long rest.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 20:43
We need to up the pace a notch feels like Newcastle were matching us in the first half.
The Boy From School
04-19-2011, 20:47
The midfield has been poor so far, particularly Anderson. Wayne and Javier have been solid. They're doing what they can. This is a winnable game, just need to step it up.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 20:49
The midfield has been poor so far, particularly Anderson. Wayne and Javier have been solid. They're doing what they can. This is a winnable game, just need to step it up.
Yeah I agree, worried about the midfield going forward seemed to have lost what worked earlier in the season. Maybe Fletcher can help when he comes back.
Manchester United are bound to score sooner or later.
You lost to City because City were better than you on the day. :)
Very little in it between the two teams now. Seriously. Next year I expect two amazing Derby's because if City learnt one thing at Wembley it was 'If we attack them we can score, we can hurt them, we can make them panic'.
United seem very tired to me.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 21:03
Maybe we should consider getting Owen on.
I was fully expecting that to go in.. unexpected miss.
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 21:41
Apparently it's only the fans that want to win the league.
You keep giving us chances left and right and we keep throwing them away. I think this will be decided at the Emirates.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 21:43
No energy at all in the team today this is worrying. Might have to call up Pogba or someone to let other players know they aren't safe.
United meltdown in full flow.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 21:45
Disappointing but not the end of the world. I didn't expect this to be an easy game anyway. We did enough to win it though, and we would have if not for a terrible miss by Giggs. Giggs had a bit of a shocker today, extremely poor performance I thought and messed up 3 great attacking opportunities. A win at home against Everton will put us back on track.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 21:46
United meltdown in full flow.
... Wouldn't call it a meltdown two bad games that's all at this point.
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Had enough of Anderson I think doesn't seem like he'll ever be consistent on this level.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 21:49
United meltdown in full flow.
It's not a proper meltdown if there's not even so much as a slow down on the Caf! Seriously though it's a minor blip and we've been in far worse situations. In fact we're not even in any situation at all, still comfortably in the driving seat. I expect the players will look a bit fresher on Saturday.
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 21:50
No Berbatov to blame it on today. :o
It's not a proper meltdown if there's not even so much as a slow down on the Caf! Seriously though it's a minor blip and we've been in far worse situations. In fact we're not even in any situation at all, still comfortably in the driving seat. I expect the players will look a bit fresher on Saturday.
Tough game for you on Saturday against Everton. It becomes a must win, anything else and pressure will come. Not only in the league but you need to get that winning way back ready for the CL.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 22:01
Tough game for you on Saturday against Everton. It becomes a must win, anything else and pressure will come. Not only in the league but you need to get that winning way back ready for the CL.
Tough yes, but at home so considering our home and away form a much easier game than tonight. It's not a must win though, because even if we don't win it it's still in our hands. But I expect a decent victory anyway. Our performance today was just about good enough to win, we just lacked sharpness. We will have regained that come Saturday and being at home, you'd expect a win there 9 out of 10 times.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 22:14
Was a penalty on Chicho!
Its at OT on Saturday big difference...
santinomarella
04-19-2011, 22:14
Oh well, we increased our lead at the top to 7 points. At least we didn't get our point at St James' by throwing away a 4 goal lead.
Maybe the best player in the world, Bale, will do us a favour tomorrow.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 22:15
Yeah Bale will cause Arsenal problems tomorrow, quality player!
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 22:16
Anyone know when Fletcher is coming back?
Was a penalty on Chicho!
Its at OT on Saturday big difference...
http://i.imgur.com/BZOkn.jpg
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 22:19
The handball on the Rooney shot was a penalty for sure, too bad the ref missed it.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 22:21
The handball on the Rooney shot was a penalty for sure, too bad the ref missed it.
Goes both ways, he could've given one against Anderson as well.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 22:22
Goes both ways, he could've given one against Anderson as well.
It does, sometimes though you just wish for that little luck to set you free.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 22:22
The handball on the Rooney shot was a penalty for sure, too bad the ref missed it.
Yeah true the hands were up.
I've seen the Chicho ones given.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 22:25
It does, sometimes though you just wish for that little luck to set you free.
I won't argue with that, I would've gladly accepted it today.
Get your hands off me Senor.. I did not dive.. do not hurt me...please I beg. :lol:
http://i.imgur.com/w4JG8.jpg
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 22:32
Berbatov, according to Fergie, was feeling ill and thats why he wasn't part of the squad.
^ Nobody would dear to touch Hernandez we'd sign Keane for the next game ;) Besides, Mexicans can tangle with the best of them.
Berbatov was incredibly sick.. sick of the fan abuse. :lol: Ok I'll stop now.
I really do hope that this title is decided at the Emirates.. that would be quite a match.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:01
Good result for Arsenal.
Yeah decent result for Arseys men.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 23:06
Did Arsenal play today? Think we should wait until tomorrow to shout from the rooftops Arsenal fans.
No Arsenal fan is shouting? Though the last thing anyone on the team wants is to lose to Spurs.. would rather lose to you if given the choice.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:09
I'd take a draw from tomorrow's game.
Will be watching it then the Barca, Real cup final.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 23:12
Should be a good game, the second coming of Christ (Wilshere) against the first coming of Christ (Bale).
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:24
That little ****** Wilshire was saying in the paper today that we'll bottle it.
That little ***** Wilshire was saying in the paper today that we'll bottle it.
Wilshere said that you'd most likely drop points.. Stop reading the tabloids which blow logical statements out of proportion as some kind of hateful statement.
Why can't you respect anyone? Here in Canada that f word you used is deeply offensive surprised you used it so casually.
Metal Warrior
04-19-2011, 23:27
That little ****** Wilshire was saying in the paper today that we'll bottle it.
From what I've read his quotes were nothing spectacular and taken out of context.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:30
Not sure where people are coming from with Bale he's a quality player.
Also how poor was Valencia when he came on today.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 23:31
You can't trust the papers anymore it seems, ever story you read about football gets debunked! Daily Mail wrote United trashed Wembley, turned out they caused damage for £50...
Not sure where people are coming from with Bale he's a quality player.
Also how poor was Valencia when he came on today.
Bale is good but I think it's been exaggerated by the media how good he is.
Valencia was pants.
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:36
Papers have always been full of ****.
It's cause people love wingers with pace that run and take people on you don't get many of those types of players. Ryan Giggs was once like that.
Tutankhamun
04-19-2011, 23:39
Yeah I suppose, don't get me wrong, I'd cum if we bought Bale but I think the hype is incredible.
Nani is playing **** the last few games
manutdfan
04-19-2011, 23:42
Yeah Bale is the perfect replacement for Giggsy. Would be an awesome signing can't really see it happening though.
We could Put Berbatov in with the deal or sell him to fund the deal.
Poor game today, not because we played super bad, but because we should have won. Newcastle was good as always, but to many chances missed that should have gone in. Vidic was immense as always... He should have gotten the PFA award no question.
Our midfield needs work (obvious statement of the year)... They can be great (Carrick, giggs, anderson, fletcher, scholes, park), but they are just so inconsistent!
Also, as much as I believe in the boy, Anderson needs to become the star he can become... and soon.
Nani is playing **** the last few games
Agreed
Get your hands off me Senor.. I did not dive.. do not hurt me...please I beg. :lol:
Leave chico alone! Ill protect him against you and simpson... bullying my little pea... tsk tsk tsk
Yeah Bale is the perfect replacement for Giggsy. Would be an awesome signing can't really see it happening though.
We could Put Berbatov in with the deal or sell him to fund the deal.
Would be nice, though I like berbatov it would be worth it, and truth is stranger then fiction!
They need a striker, but if their smart they would get rid of their stars to get it (as harry said all ready I think)
Why was my Chico post deleted? It was DC wasn't it... honestly I wasn't even insulting anyone just making a joke. Get a sense of humor. :/
Tutankhamun
04-20-2011, 09:52
Why was my Chico post deleted? It was DC wasn't it... honestly I wasn't even insulting anyone just making a joke. Get a sense of humor. :/
Erm the one with the pic is still there :s Last post on the previous page.
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Saw some random tweets saying De Gea was a done deal now, £20m price tag and personal details done. Not sure if true though.
manutdfan
04-20-2011, 10:23
It is looking good on the De Gea front.
three3-times
04-20-2011, 16:13
the pic FF posted with chico is really trolling, its banter, so imma leave it!
I want to know who keeps deleting my Toure De Force tag for this thread.
Tutankhamun
04-20-2011, 17:34
I want to know who keeps deleting my Toure De Force tag for this thread.
I want to know who killed JFK.
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United: Filming the story of the Busby Babes and the Munich air crash - video (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/video/2011/apr/20/united-busby-babes-munich-air-crash-video)
RIP Frank Swift. City legend.