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yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:26
So the fa give him a 8 match ban and a fine BUT THINK ASSAULTING A PLAYER BY KICKING HIM with no intention of getting the ball deserved only a two game ban( or less)?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAGHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.
Yea, **** the FA and their corrupt *****.
Either way, Suarez is a fool and deserves to get punished but if the word he used was more of a language difference(negrito) then this is very harsh.
*expecting terry to get away with a two game ban*
:lol:
:lol:
So you think assaulting someone is nothing compared to saying racial words?
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:29
So you think assaulting someone is a lot worse than saying racial words?
:lol:
Not laughing at your argument, just laughing at the anger of your post.
I have to admit I would be just as angry as you if it had happened to a Man United player; it is however still a fair punishment for racism.
:lol:
Not laughing at your argument, just laughing at the anger of your post.
Only thing we know is that Suarez said a word that is not offensive in his language but can be in another language.
I expected at least a 3 match but an 8 match ban is ridiculous. Its just shocking but if they can release a video or some real evidence to show his intentions were bad then i would be OK with the punishment.
Club response. <br />
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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/liverpool-fc-statement-8
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:38
Only thing we know is that Suarez said a word that is not offensive in his language but can be in another language.
I expected at least a 3 match but an 8 match ban is ridiculous. Its just shocking but if they can release a video or some real evidence to show his intentions were bad then i would be OK with the punishment.
We don't know what it is all based on just yet, I can't really say a lot in respect to it.
All I can say is that it is good that racism is dealt with properly, hopefully it gets kicked out and other countries start to do the same.
In the future I wander if it will be homophobia that will become the hot topic to replace racism. (Don't they say it is rumoured that 4-5 top premiership players are homosexual?)
I give it 10 years before we get our first 8 game ban on homophobia.
Only thing we know is that Suarez said a word that is not offensive in his language but can be in another language.
I expected at least a 3 match but an 8 match ban is ridiculous. Its just shocking but if they can release a video or some real evidence to show his intentions were bad then i would be OK with the punishment.
Actually, we don't know shit.
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:42
Guess it is another example of the FA coming down hard on bigger sides.
StaticAge
12-20-2011, 20:42
It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suarez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible - certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.
From LFC's statement. Absolutely unbelievable, bunch of twats.
This is going to be a long process, that's for sure.
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:47
From LFC's statement. Absolutely unbelievable, bunch of twats.
Why don't they just shut up? :S Surely it's common sense too instead of trying to assassinate the character of Evra? Even when they are guilty they are innocent. They have been talking for weeks about it now while United have actually shut up about it. It's kind of annoying.
Oh well, I suppose I would be annoyed if my player was banned for 8 games.
Why don't they just shut up? :S Surely it's common sense too instead of trying to assassinate the character of Evra? Even when they are guilty they are innocent. They have been talking for weeks about it now while United have actually shut up about it. It's kind of annoying.
Oh well, I suppose I would be annoyed if my player was banned for 8 games.
Who has? It certainly hasn't been Liverpool. The only people talking about it have been the media. Anytime Kenny was asked about it in a press conference he just moved on.
santinomarella
12-20-2011, 20:52
Wow, that's an official statement from Liverpool? sounds like something off RAWK.
Didn't Tut post an article a while back proving that these previous accusations from Evra were not actually from him?
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 20:55
Dalglish has been talking about it for weeks now :lol: He actually won't shut up about it. He was asked specifically not to and ignored it. He can always say no comment, which is what Sir Alex did when he was asked about it.
Anyway yeah the statement does look like it came from RAWK to be honest. I like the fact it says "He played with black players so how can he be a racist?" :lol: I have respect for Liverpool and I expected more to be honest than simply blaming everyone except for Father Christmas.
What a disgrace of a club liverpool are coming out with that statement, he has been found guilty and are still calling evra a lier. I dont know how you liverpool fans can be proud of your club.
santinomarella
12-20-2011, 21:00
I like the fact it says "He played with black players so how can he be a racist?" :lol: I have respect for Liverpool and I expected more to be honest than simply blaming everyone except for Father Christmas.
Some funny responses on Twitter to that:
#ParaphrasedLiverpoolStatement (http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23ParaphrasedLiverpoolStatement)
"Suarez's favourite A-Team character was Mr T, so he can't be racist."
"The black power ranger, was Suraez's favourite. He can't be racist."
"Luis Suarez has never refused to wear Liverpool's black away kit, therefore he is not a racist"
"Suarez once bet black, on roulette. He can't be a racist."
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 21:08
Liverpool's new kit for next season
3954
:lol: stolen from another football site
EDIT: Apparently LFC have taken the statement down.
Dalglish has been talking about it for weeks now :lol: He actually won't shut up about it. He was asked specifically not to and ignored it. He can always say no comment, which is what Sir Alex did when he was asked about it.
Anyway yeah the statement does look like it came from RAWK to be honest. I like the fact it says "He played with black players so how can he be a racist?" :lol: I have respect for Liverpool and I expected more to be honest than simply blaming everyone except for Father Christmas.
Kenny's bitched about the FA a few times, sure, but he hasn't specifically talked about this case. Anytime he was asked about it he simply reiterated the club's backing of Suarez.
But yeah, they could have left out the family history and little quip on Evra from the statement, it really has nothing to do with anything.
No, statement's still there. Not on the main page though.
Kenny's bitched about the FA a few times, sure, but he hasn't specifically talked about this case. Anytime he was asked about it he simply reiterated the club's backing of Suarez.
But yeah, they could have left out the family history and little quip on Evra from the statement, it really has nothing to do with anything.
You still going to cheer on suarez now?
Tutankhamun
12-20-2011, 21:17
I'll say this, in a world where FIFA has the kick racism out of football campaign. A player making racists remarks must be beyond fucking stupid. It is sad really that footballer's think they can get away by using those kind of remarks.
As for Liverpool and their statement, just shows how incredibly naive and out of touch they are.
You still going to cheer on suarez now?
I'll reserve anything I have to say about Suarez until the FA release what they need to release.
The FA are fucking retarded for not releasing a hint of evidence with the statement. It still leaves the room for all this stupid "Well we don't know how credible the FA's judgement is" crap. The FA have said there's evidence, and The club have said that the FA are essentially just taking Evra's word for it. This needs to be cleared up.
santinomarella
12-20-2011, 21:23
http://s1-02.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/476996811.jpg
:lol:
yourmumsface17
12-20-2011, 21:36
Was expecting more backlash :( Am a little disappointed :lol:
How Patrice Evra has never played the race card and why assumptions are dangerousOCTOBER 17, 2011 246 COMMENTS (http://therepublikofmancunia.com/how-patrice-evra-has-never-played-the-race-card-and-why-assumptions-are-dangerous/#respond)
Football can do a lot of things. It can turn completely stable people into emotional wrecks, it can play with our emotions like nothing else, save perhaps a member of the opposite sex. In short, it’s a very powerful thing. One thing it should not do, however, is to change our perspective. Not footballing perspective, of course you should feel free to argue that your team is better than my team, your fans are louder than my fans, your grass is greener than our grass. But our general perspective, such as the ability to analyse a serious claim, should be unmoved by which football team we hope scores more goals than the other.
On Saturday, Patrice Evra of Manchester United accused Luis Suarez of Liverpool of making racist remarks towards him. Unfortunately, though the ‘of”s in the previous sentence should not be of importance, they have been made so. It has become about football. This is not an incident about football. It took place on a football pitch, between two men wearing football shirts, but it’s not about football. To bastardise a famous Bill Shankly quote, it’s much more important than that.
Immediately after the allegations were made, a lot of people reacted based on which team they supported. United fans were quick to label Suarez a racist, with certainty, whilst Liverpool fans accused Evra of lying, also with certainty.
The latter however, took a somewhat more sinister form. Liverpool fans, and employees, claimed Evra had a history of playing the ‘race card’. For those who don’t know, the race card refers to exploitation of racist attitudes to gain a personal advantage, typically by falsely accusing others of racism against oneself. In essence, they were saying Evra had in the past lied about being targeted by racial abuse. A very serious claim, I’m sure you’ll agree. It stands to reason that if it is a serious thing to claim racist abuse, it is also a serious thing to claim someone has lied about claiming racial abuse.
Liverpool’s official website columnist, Kristian Walsh (http://twitter.com/#!/Kristian_Walsh), claimed on Twitter that “Patrice Evra has accused racism of three players before today. All three have been cleared.” This tweet was retweeted by hundreds of Liverpool fans, as were similar ones. The problem was, that it wasn’t remotely true, not one bit.
In fact, before Saturday, Evra had accused zero people of racism, not the three quoted by Mr. Walsh and dozens of other Liverpool fans, not two, nor even one. There have been two incidents involving Evra and accusations of racial insults, the only problem is that Evra did not claim in either that he was racially abused – the claims came from others.
In the 2006 case of claimed racial abuse by Steve Finnan (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2006/mar/01/newsstory.sport4), the accusation was levelled at Finnan by a deaf fan who claimed he lip-read the racial slur. Evra declined to complain. A rather odd thing to do for a man with a supposed inclination to play the race card, I’m sure you’ll agree.
In the case with involving Chelsea groundsman, Tony Bethell, it was Mike Phelan and Richard Hartis of Manchester United’s coaching staff who claimed they heard the abuse. As the FA report (http://soccerlens.com/the-fas-evra-report-the-united-perspective/19035/) says “The two witnesses who say they heard those words directed by Mr Bethell at Mr Evra are the Manchester United first team coach Mr Mike Phelan and the goalkeeping coach Mr Richard Hartis.” It later goes on to say “Even if we disregard the fact that Mr Evra has never claimed to have heard such a remark on that day, it is notable that there were several other people far nearer to Mr Bethell at the critical point in time than were either Mr Phelan or Mr Hartis.”
So in reality, Evra accused neither Finnan nor Bethell of a racist remark. The claims were made by others. These are the cold, hard facts.
Liverpool is a club that has been hit hard by lies in the past, namely by the despicable Kelvin Mackenzie and The Sun. One might therefore assume that their fans would be careful to ensure that they themselves endeavor to have the full facts of any case emerge. Of course, accusations of racism against Luis Suarez and accusations of the actions of fans on a day where 96 people died are on different scales, however the principle should remain. If in one instance you abhor lies being told where an accusation is made, you should probably endeavor not do so yourself in another instance.
As I touched on earlier, Manchester United fans who have assumed Suarez’s guilt are also worthy of scorn. Just as a lot of Liverpool fans would have reacted differently if Glen Johnson had accused Nemanja Vidic of racist remarks, so too would a lot United fans. Perhaps even incidents involving Johnson and “playing the race card” would have been fabricated.
“Innocent until proven guilty” should not be a changeable stance. If that’s your belief, it’s your belief. It should not be changed because of which football team you prefer. Of course, just as important as “innocent until proven guilty” is that the lack of a guilty verdict does not necessarily mean innocence. In the 1998 adaption of the old play “12 Angry Men”, a juror slowly and painstakingly convinces his fellow jurors not to convict a seemingly guilty man. In the aftermath of the case, he is asked who he believed committed the murder. He replies, to the amazement of the queror, that he thinks it was probably the man he just convinced everyone to acquit.
If, which seems likely, there is found to be not enough evidence, or none, to prove Suarez made racist remarks, inevitably people will assume that Evra was lying. But surely if your initial requirement to the claims that Suarez was racist was “prove it”, the same logic should be applied to the claims that Evra was lying? A lack of proof does not mean an incident has not happened, it simply means it cannot be proven to have happened. As dangerous as it is to assume Suarez is guilty, it is equally as dangerous to conclude Evra is lying if it cannot be proven. It is for this reason that Liverpool as a club have been irresponsible if they have, as has been reported, called for a ban for Evra if the allegations can’t be proven.
The instant reaction of “he’s lying” to an accusation of racism is not only foolish, but dangerous. Chris Kamara has stated that he was frequently racially abused on the football pitch, but would not report it, as it would be impossible to prove and therefore he would not be believed. A report in 2000 by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs concluded that “there is a fear that when people do report incidents [of racism] they won’t be believed or it won’t be taken seriously”. It is therefore safe to assume that the reaction of people to a claim of racist abuse is quite important, and not merely footballing banter. We are talking about something that can have a severe knock-on effect for other people.
Football is a wonderful thing, but can also be a dangerous thing. When we as football fans are switching our moral views, assuming guilt or fabricating incidents based on the shirt a man is wearing, we have gone too far. We cannot and must not lose perspective because of it. As ridiculous as it is for a man who didn’t have another care in the world on Saturday at 12.45, it is only a game.
Believe this is what Tut posted.
lol. hey if the FA reveals what led them to a guilty verdict and I look at it and say "wow that's racist" i'll be the first to hold my hands up. but if they release it and it's largely circumstantial and, as the club said, taking one word over another, then you should understand us still defending and supporting suarez, and also understand that the club's statement is essentially an accusation of incompetence against the FA (which we should all know is the case regardless lol).
quite frankly, if the guilty verdict really was beyond a reasonable doubt then i'd find the club's defense disgraceful.
but for now, i don't think i'm amiss to trust the club over the fa.
santinomarella
12-20-2011, 21:53
I'm not really bothered how Liverpool react. I would also want to see the evidence if a United player had been banned for racial abuse. But what has annoyed me is the inaccuracies about Evra, that have now reached a stage where even official statements from Liverpool are referring to incorrect information about Evra and previous incidents.
Metal Warrior
12-20-2011, 21:57
I guess the FA judged that Suarez has lived in Europe for long enough to understand that any form of racial abuse, no matter how light hearted it may be in other cultures, is absolutely unacceptable. He's lived in Europe since 2006 and has played top flight football since then. If anyone wants to believe he's not seen the implications of a word sounding like "negro" first hand in all that time, he's just deluding himself. He was fully aware of what it meant to Evra when he said it. It doesn't help that Suarez has built up a reputation, I mean he's contantly diving, play acting and even bit another player. There's just no reason at all to give him the benefit of doubt. We can never be sure of a person's intentions, but in this case there's surely enough indication that there was foul play involved.
Tutankhamun
12-20-2011, 22:16
lol. hey if the FA reveals what led them to a guilty verdict and I look at it and say "wow that's racist" i'll be the first to hold my hands up. but if they release it and it's largely circumstantial and, as the club said, taking one word over another, then you should understand us still defending and supporting suarez, and also understand that the club's statement is essentially an accusation of incompetence against the FA (which we should all know is the case regardless lol).
quite frankly, if the guilty verdict really was beyond a reasonable doubt then i'd find the club's defense disgraceful.
but for now, i don't think i'm amiss to trust the club over the fa.
It is up to the FA to judge these cases based on the evidence they can find. In the FA's statement they say there are enough evidence (in their view) to convict Suarez. This is also how a normal court works. Suarez can appeal the decision and it'll go to a higher body. Again, just like a normal court. The FA has done nothing wrong here.
Court documents are usually released months after a case have finished, nothing unusual about that either.
Evra is not in the clear yet. Apparently he said some pretty unsavoury things to Suarez in Spanish.
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 08:06
Evra is not in the clear yet. Apparently he said some pretty unsavoury things to Suarez in Spanish.
"Pretty unsavoury" is in a completely different ball park compared to racist. The only thing he's not in the clear about in my opinion is that he alledgedly said "you only book me because I'm black" against the ref, which I'd be very disappointed about if he said that.
In any case, it's amusing to see how Liverpool FC, the club itself, have made such an epic mess of all this. They couldn't have come out looking worse with the course of action they took. The funny thing is a public apology probably could've prevented all of this. Instead, they went into full defence mode and tried to damage Evra's credibility in public. Silly move really.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 08:20
LFC have acted so classless and are now even more of a joke with that statement they put out
StaticAge
12-21-2011, 08:24
The only thing more asmusing than the way Liverpool FC have handled it is how the fans think the statement is brilliant and a masterstroke :lol:
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 08:32
The only thing more asmusing than the way Liverpool FC have handled it is how the fans think the statement is brilliant and a masterstroke :lol:
They though the same of Rafa's rant. :lol:
Endless entertainment. :)
The point is that the statement put out by Liverpool is overly shocking isn't it? If everything was so clear cut I'd expect the club to just make a run of the mill statement, but the fact that the club has reacted so vehemently, so emotionally, and rather unprofessionally in their statement makes me think that there's something not right with the verdict. Liverpool are too classy and too professional a club to just throw their toys out of the pram simply because they don't LIKE what happened.
Just have to reserve judgment until the FA releases their information, but of course nobody will.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 08:52
No, there is nothing underhand going on. Luis said something racially offensive IN THIS COUNTRY to pat and got banned for it. If and when he appeals, i hope he gets more games on top. He has been living in Europe for years and shouldve known that he cant call black people over here that. If he had done that in SW london, he wouldve been shot!!!
Good player, but an idiot. Bites opponents and says racially offensive words to them.
The FA have taken 2 months to sort this out, if they had come to this verdict in a 2 days then id agree with you. but defo not know.
LFC just dont like the fact that their player has been caught.
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 09:00
The point is that the statement put out by Liverpool is overly shocking isn't it? If everything was so clear cut I'd expect the club to just make a run of the mill statement, but the fact that the club has reacted so vehemently, so emotionally, and rather unprofessionally in their statement makes me think that there's something not right with the verdict. Liverpool are too classy and too professional a club to just throw their toys out of the pram simply because they don't LIKE what happened.
Just have to reserve judgment until the FA releases their information, but of course nobody will.
You can only stand and look in awe at that statement. It's a difficult case and whoever would've lost would've found it hard to accept, but what they write about Evra in an official statement is simply baffling. It boils down to a smear campaign really. No matter what happened during that FA decision, that's something you can't support or even excuse. You can only conclude the people responsible for that statement completely lost the plot. I know that must be hard to take coming from your own club (if you're a balanced fan and not a mindless Kenny drone like so many others), but I can't put it in nicer terms. Whoever's responsible has disgraced the entire history of your club.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 09:03
No, there is nothing underhand going on. Luis said something racially offensive IN THIS COUNTRY to pat and got banned for it. If and when he appeals, i hope he gets more games on top. He has been living in Europe for years and shouldve known that he cant call black people over here that. If he had done that in SW london, he wouldve been shot!!!
Good player, but an idiot. Bites opponents and says racially offensive words to them.
The FA have taken 2 months to sort this out, if they had come to this verdict in a 2 days then id agree with you. but defo not know.
LFC just dont like the fact that their player has been caught.
Not to mention how Ken has acted throughout the whole process then going on twitter as well?!?!?!? Jheeez
three3-times
12-21-2011, 14:09
John Terry verdict should be any minute now
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 14:11
This verdict is different to the Suarez one isn't it? As QPR/Ferdinand reported it to the police not the FA right?
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 14:20
John Terry will face criminal charges. :o
three3-times
12-21-2011, 14:25
yes! good
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/21/john-terry-racism-case-cps
Liverpool's statement is hilariously bad. They have basically played the 'Suarez has black friends, how can he be a racist' card. The FA are not calling him or accusing him or even charging him on 'being a racist'. They are charging him on using racist language. Two sepperate things.
Oh and LOL at JT. Stripped of the captaincy again now doubt. Gareth Barry, James Milner or Joe Hart for captain.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 14:28
he is fucked
Prosecuting John Terry "in public interest" with "sufficient evidence" and "realistic prospect of conviction", CPS says http://bbc.in/vPIQLt (http://t.co/jTLJJhCX)
Retweeted by Phil McNulty (https://twitter.com/#!/philmcnulty)
squirrelbo1
12-21-2011, 14:36
terry is different. was reported to the police, not dealt with internally. not sure what it will mean as a result of banning. because they cant do you for stuff criminally proven as they have no...
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 14:39
Phil Jones will captain our nation to glory!
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 14:50
It baffles me that Rooney isn't England's captain. He's the best player they have now and that seems to be the case for years to come.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 15:17
rooney isnt exactly a role model neither! none of them are tbh!
yourmumsface17
12-21-2011, 16:33
Yeah he has to lose the captaincy now, I think if we pick a captain now it has to be a LONG TERM captain. Someone who will be are leader for years and years.
I honestly don't know who to be honest, Rooney gets in too much hot water and I don't think he is mentally capable of being a captain just yet. Hart? Has he even captained City? Maybe in the future though, same applies to Jones.
Milner and Barry I am not even going to respond to that :lol:
Maybe for a while an experienced head can take it until a younger one is ready, the thing is other than Rooney we don't have any real quality at say age 25-27 (unless I am forgetting someone) It's either younger quality (Wilshire, Cleverley, Jones, Smalling, Walker etc) or old quality (Lampard and Gerrard)
So I am not sure what he will do.
It seriously baffles you how Rooney isn't the captain of the England national team? :lol: I don't think it really matters who it is in this team full of divas..
My "unrealistic" candidate: Leighton Baines. Best Left back in England. So sad he doesn't have that many caps.
These are the kind of attitudes we used to have and definetly have right now on the England team:
http://i.imgur.com/qs3ws.jpg
yourmumsface17
12-21-2011, 16:42
The thing is Cole plays over him, good player though and does he have previous captain experience?
I don't know, it doesn't really matter to be honest, the English national team as you say is full of divas :lol:
three3-times
12-21-2011, 16:51
all wastemans, who cares, fuck england, MAN UTD 1st and foremost
Since we all hate Michael Owen here.. here's more material showing how much of a cock he is. :lol:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE
yourmumsface17
12-21-2011, 17:13
^^ I believe that was supposed to be on the Liverpool thread :P
manutdfan
12-21-2011, 18:04
Since we all hate Michael Owen here.. here's more material showing how much of a cock he is. :lol:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqOxNspUPyE
Your a cock.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 18:34
LOL!!
LFC the players have now released a statement defending luis!
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 18:40
LOL!!
LFC the players have now released a statement defending luis!
Lmao!! :lol: :lol:
three3-times
12-21-2011, 18:40
all the cunts r doing is trying to slander pat. im glad we have kept a dignified silence over this
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 18:44
Liverpool just keep embaressing themselves. This is quite frankly one of the most disgusting actions I've ever seen from a football club as a whole. They're spitting in the face of the anti-racism movement and are surely inciting hatred. It's gone from amusing to completely unacceptable and disgraceful behaviour. They shouldn't be allowed to get away with this, there HAVE to be additional punishments.
Your a cock.
You're. ** :)
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 19:09
#mufc: Lindegaard; Smalling, Jones, Evans, Evra; Valencia, Giggs, Carrick, Nani; Rooney, Welbeck.
@nickcoppack (https://twitter.com/#!/nickcoppack/status/149566579401695232)
#mufc bench: De Gea, Berbatov, Park, Hernandez, Young, Rafael, Fryers
@nickcoppack (https://twitter.com/#!/nickcoppack/status/149566668509687808)
Not our strongest team but I'm sure they can get it done.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 19:19
and they are wearing tshirts with his name on to warm up!
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 19:19
Liverpool wearing t-shirts with Suarez's picture on. :lol:
three3-times
12-21-2011, 19:19
no rio....worried. needs a rest though. worried. fulham is tough. my son is there. (fulham fan, dont ask!)
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 19:28
Don't understand how Liverpool can defend a player that has been convicted of using racist chants. Beyond a joke of a club.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 19:30
tbh, the wankers are only doing what i would tbh...........still shit cunts though
yourmumsface17
12-21-2011, 19:33
Liverpool players issuing joint statement :lol:
T shirt :lol:
Liverpool are supporting racism ...well done.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 19:36
tbh, the wankers are only doing what i would tbh...........still shit cunts though
and by that i mean defending a friend.....they are all dirty fuck pigs!
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 19:38
I would not defend a friend that had been convicted. Support is one thing, defend another one. He should not need Liverpool FC to defend him. Lawyers should do that. Liverpool should support him.
yourmumsface17
12-21-2011, 19:39
Anyone got a pic of the t shirts? is it true Dalglish is wearing one?
:lol:
EDIT: Found it, omfg how humilating! I would be cringing so much if I was an LFC fan
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 19:42
Suarez showing support for himself. :lol:
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg619/scaled.php?tn=0&server=619&filename=rhhma.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 19:44
I'm surprised they didn't go with the picture of Suarez singing Ebony and Ivory with Stevie Wonder.
StaticAge
12-21-2011, 19:44
http://i.imgur.com/tehRF.jpg
Probably because they all feel he was wrongly convicted? Don't let that enter your heads while you're thoroughly enjoying your little anti liverpool circle jerk though. I'll be back when this whole thing clears or when we can try to behave like adults. See ya.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 19:48
Erm, fuck liverpool.
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 19:48
Probably because they all feel he was wrongly convicted? Don't let that enter your heads while you're thoroughly enjoying your little anti liverpool circle jerk though. I'll be back when this whole thing clears or when we can try to behave like adults. See ya.
Then appeal! Why behave like dickheads? That's right, because the whole fucking club is full of them.
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 19:52
Probably because they all feel he was wrongly convicted? Don't let that enter your heads while you're thoroughly enjoying your little anti liverpool circle jerk though. I'll be back when this whole thing clears or when we can try to behave like adults. See ya.
We support our player just like you support yours.
StaticAge
12-21-2011, 19:53
http://s1-01.twitpicproxy.com/photos/large/477669117.png
:lol:
We support our player just like you support yours.
Aye, and I've tried to be a level-header debater and not just a mindless defense monkey. But I see there's no point anymore.
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 19:56
Aye, and I've tried to be a level-header debator and not just a mindless defense monkey. But I see there's no point anymore.
We're perfectly entitled to laugh at the embarrassing way Liverpool have responded to the ban.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 20:03
giggs owes us and jonah is now injured
three3-times
12-21-2011, 20:04
Aye, and I've tried to be a level-header debater and not just a mindless defense monkey. But I see there's no point anymore.
u said monkey! racist! :)
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:04
Dirty Dempsey elbowing Jones. Should have been a red card.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 20:05
goal!! dunno who
three3-times
12-21-2011, 20:06
welbeck! great play nani
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:07
Good. Let's win big today. Can use a better goal difference.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 20:11
fulham are no mugs at home pal!
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:15
Looks shit today though.
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:21
Jones looks concussed. Surely coming off now.
StaticAge
12-21-2011, 20:29
Nani!
Then appeal! Why behave like dickheads? That's right, because the whole fucking club is full of them.
Amazing comeback... :lol:
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:37
Amazing comeback... :lol:
"The truth shall set you free."
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 20:37
Probably because they all feel he was wrongly convicted? Don't let that enter your heads while you're thoroughly enjoying your little anti liverpool circle jerk though. I'll be back when this whole thing clears or when we can try to behave like adults. See ya.
It's hard to not be anti Liverpool when they're acting absolutely fucking disgraceful. I understand full well they feel he's been wrongly convicted, but the way they're making their feelings known is simply disgusting. Accusing others, inciting hatred against Evra and brushing off racist comments like it's no big fucking deal. It's beyong disgusting. I'm not even enjoying this at all, I'm just shocked and disgusted.
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 20:44
Giggs! 0-3.
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 20:53
Giggs goal was the 19,999th Premier League goal. Would have been fitting if he got the 20,000th.
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 21:00
One red card and a penalty missed. Still up 0-3 after '45 not bad.
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 21:03
One red card and a penalty missed. Still up 0-3 after '45 not bad.
Not bad? It's great! Away to a team we've dropped a lot of points in recent history. This is exactly the sort of form we need through the Christmas period.
Has anyone got a decent stream?
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 21:14
Has anyone got a decent stream?
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=134443&part=sports
The first one is the best.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 21:38
phil jones might b out for 6 weeks with a fractured cheekbone.... just rumour atm
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 21:47
What a goal from Rooney!
http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=134443&part=sports
The first one is the best.
Cheers mate.
phil jones might b out for 6 weeks with a fractured cheekbone.... just rumour atm
Some people on GAF (football thread there is immense) have said it's pretty much confirmed. Don't know where they are getting it from though.
Is Young injured too?
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 21:51
Even better goal by Berbatov!
StaticAge
12-21-2011, 21:52
Great performance! :D
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 21:53
Berbrilliant berbagoal by Berbatov!
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 21:54
phil jones might b out for 6 weeks with a fractured cheekbone.... just rumour atm
That's fucked up. He's fast becoming my favourite player.
Great result though, Rooney and Berbs brilliant goals.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 21:57
and another 2 players gone.....ffs man.
impressed with the clean sheets with no vidic/rio etc
how long can we keep this up?! hope fergie doesnt get tricked into thinking we still dont need anyone!
Serious question
What team will you field in the FA Cup at The Etihad Stadium?
Tutankhamun
12-21-2011, 22:00
Serious question
What team will you field in the FA Cup at The Etihad Stadium?
One that'll beat Cunty.
Lol we'll see. But with so many injuries and the depth in Cities squad I'm not sure you can to be honest.
Metal Warrior
12-21-2011, 22:04
One that'll beat Cunty.
That's terrible, almost terrible enough to be funny again. Almost.
santinomarella
12-21-2011, 22:05
9 injuries and only 2 points behind the team people claim to be better than Barcelona. Not bad at all.
three3-times
12-21-2011, 22:09
rio will be out of the monday
ashley young out for 2 - 3 weeks
phil jones will x ray tomorrow.
never rains but it pours
@howardnurse
Alex Ferguson on injuries:
"Jones will go for a x-ray. It's a concern. Ashley Young will be out for 2-3 weeks and Rio will be out for next monday."
squirrelbo1
12-22-2011, 00:43
Thoughts on Hanson being a muppet ? Not a racist imo but very poor choice of words
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 01:05
Can't believe the idiot said "coloured" :lol:
Also I think we're entitled to have a dig back at Liverpool considering Liverpool have spent the last 24 hours crying about Evra's "previous racist complaints" you know the fictitious ones...
Their entire argument is simply to ruin are players character; as you guys have done, we will defend our player thanks.
I think we have a right to laugh when Liverpool actually have embarrassed themselves over the last 24 hours, Kenny has actually destroyed his own reputation. Well done.
"Who ever is found guilt from the panel, the accuser or Suarez should be punished" Kenny Dalglish (paraphrased) said something to that extent, funny how he doesn't think that now hmmm.
The facts haven't come out as you have rightly pointed out.. but that hasn't stopped your club from continuing to assault the character of one of our players in public! That's what has pissed off Man United fans!
StaticAge
12-22-2011, 03:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9xhc7-Muyk
three3-times
12-22-2011, 08:53
Hang on, in what context did Hansen say coloured??????
ANGRY BLACK MAN HERE!!!!!
LOL
three3-times
12-22-2011, 09:22
Just 3 players... but they all deserve a mention...
1. Danny Welbeck, just 21, is improving game on game and already looks a crackin' centre forward - brilliant all round play. Andy Carroll, look at him and weep.
2. Anders Lindegaard is another excellent bargain basement buy - he tells the defence he's gonna deal with it, and does just that. From what I've seen we've got three good goalies at the club.
3. In the eight League games since Carrick's return, Utd have conceded two goals - one of those, an incorrectly given penalty, being the only reason Utd have not won all 8 of those games.
Apart from his defensive cover ( and playing mostly in a 2 man central midfield with different partners ) he has dominated possession against all opposition.
The people who don't 'get the point' of Carrick should think again.
Anyhow, for a team with, I've been reliably informed, with all this going for them.....
no midfield
too many old players
a poor squad
a dodgy goalie
the worst defender ever seen in Jonny Evans.....etc, etc...
unlikely to be in the top 4.....etc, etc...
...I think Utd reaching ( I think ) a personal record points start to a PL season.....well, they're fuckin' amazing and playing good to watch football the last few games too
unlikely to be in the top 4
Hang on, in what context did Hansen say coloured??????
ANGRY BLACK MAN HERE!!!!!
LOL
actually, black and white are pigments not colours. lol.
.
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 15:33
Hang on, in what context did Hansen say coloured??????
ANGRY COLOURED MAN HERE!!!!!
LOL
Correction ;)
three3-times
12-22-2011, 15:48
Correction ;)
RACIST!!! "bans"
Metal Warrior
12-22-2011, 16:01
In all seriousness that was obviously an honest mistake by Hansen, he apologised and said he won't use the term again in the future. Case closed. Take note Suarez and Liverpool FC, that's how grown-ups handle these things.
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 16:27
In all seriousness that was obviously an honest mistake by Hansen, he apologised and said he won't use the term again in the future. Case closed. Take note Suarez and Liverpool FC, that's how grown-ups handle these things.
Exactly! If Liverpool did this from the start there would be no issue what so ever, but NO! They have to play the victim card.
A Liverpool MP on the radio today was talking about it; apparently he was talking about how Evra has done this in the past *sigh* an MP.. a Fucking MP eurrrgh!
RACIST!!! "bans"
:lol:
3971
Suarez's lawyer...
Metal Warrior
12-22-2011, 16:30
Yup, it's misinformation deliberately sent into the world by a Liverpool FC rep to discredit Evra, backed up by the official statement even. There's clearly a solid base there to go to court against them and Evra would surely win it. But judging from the reactions coming from the majority of football supporters, most seem to side with Suarez, which is a fucking sorry state of affairs. Evra's character is stained forever by this I'm afraid.
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 16:38
There's a great thread in a Sunderland forum ripping Suarez to shreds and one sorry/ignorant Liverpool fan trying to fight KKKenny and Suarez's cause.
It seems like people are treating a myth as fact (Something very common tbh, if you repeat something over and over it does seem like fact.)
Tutankhamun
12-22-2011, 16:38
Man United and Evra should press charges against Liverpool for defamation. It is the right thing to do.
Metal Warrior
12-22-2011, 16:45
We'd win the case but there'd be little gain other than that. It would probably further divide opinions and would endanger the safety of the supporters during future encounters. Not that it'd be the...
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 16:52
I suppose we won't know more till all the facts come out, but I just can't get my head round Pool's argument. Going to ignore the character assassination for the minute.
Their argument is that Suarez said the word right? He has 100% admitted that, but he claims he was using it in a friendly context?
A) He said it around 10 times from what people have been saying, it clearly annoyed Evra, so he obviously was using it to annoy Evra. Right?
B) He has been in Europe for (6 years?) and apparently Holland don't like the word either (From what I understand).
So I don't quite get why Liverpool are defending it, no one is calling Suarez a racist, I don't think he is! I just think he is an idiot! This could have all been avoided if he simply apologised for using racist language. So maybe a Pool fan can explain it to me (I am not trying to be hostile I just don't get how any sane person can defend the use of racist language with a flimsy excuse for it and an independent panel has also obviously found it a flimsy excuse).
EDIT: We would win, England is the defamation capital of the world :lol: If you want to sue for defamation in any country it is this one; it could however be counter productive, all Evra would probably get is cash and it would just drag it out longer.
I am very proud of the way United have handled this! United have shut up and let everyone else get on with it.
Well done. :D
manutdfan
12-22-2011, 18:04
Doesn't matter if Suarez got a black uncle that's what someone told me anyway, or him posing for pics with black fans etc. That doesn't mean he's not racist, I've heard it before from people making racist remarks then saying I'm not racist I got loads of black friends.
Seems like to me that Liverpool are defending him cause he is one of there best players and they want him playing to get in the top 4. So there willing to ignore, sweep the racist remarks under the carpet.
Could also come down to money as well which things normally do.
It's a disgrace IMO and I think he got off lightly.
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 18:06
I don't think whether Suarez is a racist or not is relevant (Despite everyone on RAWK having "Suarez is not a racist" as their taglines :lol: ) I don't care if he is or not, that is not the crime he is being punished for.
He is being punished for racist remarks. I wonder if Liverpool will be punished for the t shirts? Inciting violence or something?
santinomarella
12-22-2011, 18:34
I don't think the Liverpool players realise what this case is all about, they continue to state that Suarez is not racist. However no one is calling Suarez a racist, the case was if he directed a racial slur at Evra, which I'm lead to believe he has admitted to. The case is not trying to determine if Suarez is racist, yet all the Liverpool players keep saying is Suarez is not racist.
This whole saga has put anti racism campaigns to shame in the way Evra has been treated, he is the victim, yet all I'm seeing is people coming out and calling Evra a liar and calling for him to be punished. Terrible way to treat a player who has been racially abused.
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 18:45
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/experienced-journalist-wanted
Liverpool after a new journalist... coincidence :lol:
I might apply...
EDIT:
Anyway maybe it's time to move on, United were fantastic last night: discuss.
Metal Warrior
12-22-2011, 19:21
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/experienced-journalist-wanted
Liverpool after a new journalist... coincidence :lol:
I might apply...
EDIT:
Anyway maybe it's time to move on, United were fantastic last night: discuss.
There's not much to discuss really, it's all too positive to discuss. :lol:
We were brilliant at a difficult ground. They had a good spell but that was well after we'd put them to bed, and we shut them up afterwards anyway. Welbeck is improving at a spectacular rate, what a player he'll become. Nani had a great game as well, he was simply devastating. Rooney's piledriver was awesome, he should try that more often. It's been a while since we've seen him do that more often. Berba's finish, classic.
Lindegaard is very, very solid. I think he could comfortably be the first keeper at a European top club. Like ourselves really, but we've got such a wonder talent in De Gea. Difficult situation as I wouldn't want to lose either player. Oh and rumours are Jones has only bruised his jaw, would be great new.
We're looking very strong and playing our best and most balanced football in a long time, at a crucial time too. Fantastic stuff. Mind you, if we drop points in the next game we'll be back in a crisis, just you watch. :lol:
I blame Evra. Being French he could have sorted this out on the pitch. A quick Kung-Fu kick to the Suarez chest, end of story.... Eric will be ashamed of his fellow Frenchman. :snicker
Typical scouse reactions though, they're always the victim no matter what they do. The club and players should be fined for some sort of contempt. You can guarantee if the United players had worn shirts supporting Evra, the FA would have dragged United over the coals for inciting the scouseland.
If Suarez gets an eight match ban, JT should start looking for some soap-on-a-rope. :lol:
yourmumsface17
12-22-2011, 19:41
That's true Warrior, you can't really debate if we are all saying "We were awesome" :lol:
Glad the doom and gloom has taken a temporary stop, the title race is right on! City are favourites I admit (Only as we have to got to WHL, Emirates, Bridge, United stadium) Luckily we have already been to Klanfield.
It's going to be tight but hopefully United can nick it.
manutdfan
12-22-2011, 20:10
Yeah great result last night at a tough place to go and get a result.
On a side note Bale is pure quality!
Tutankhamun
12-22-2011, 20:16
In regards to Lindeegard vs De Gea. I think it is a huge plus we finally have two great goalie's. During the VDS era we only had one good keeper and it hurt us. When VDS needed to rest we we're significantly worse in defense. SAF is being really smart rotating the keepers as well. If any of them gets injured the other one will be ready.
santinomarella
12-22-2011, 20:20
I'm delighted with both our GK's, the strong competition will be very good for them, not often you see competition between GK's.
Metal Warrior
12-22-2011, 20:29
I'm just worried that situation isn't maintainable. It looks like Fergie is going with De Gea for no1 as well, and it remains to be seen if Lindegaard will stay comfortable with that situation. So far he's played more than a traditional number 2, but once De Gea starts maturing I think he'll be a level above Lindegaard, and the latter's appearances might decrease a fair bit. I've never seen a top club treat 2 keepers as near equals before, so I don't know. At the moment though, it seems they're taking pressure of each other which is great.
manutdfan
12-22-2011, 20:41
I think Lindergaard should be played again in next game against Wigan.
Tutankhamun
12-22-2011, 23:13
Injury to Manchester United's Phil Jones is not as bad as first feared
Jones's early departure at Craven Cottage, after taking an elbow in the face in an aerial challenge with Clint Dempsey, had led to fears he might face a six-week lay-off but the club's initial diagnosis is that he suffered only bruising and minor concussion. That position remained the same on Thursday morning and unless the scan shows it is more serious the England international will be free to resume training once United's medical staff are satisfied he has overcome the effects of concussion.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/22/phil-jones-cheek-bruised-concussion?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
Could have been worse. A concussion isn't something to take lightly however.
three3-times
12-23-2011, 07:52
thats good news as i couldnt find anything about jones yet.
Re Paddy, i hate how some fuckers are saying he played the race card before, he didnt. A DEAF FAN LIP READ STEVE FINNAN AND COMPLANED AND IT WAS our coaching staff who alledgesd they heard chelsea staff calling him a fucking immigrant, NOT PADDY.
also, good result for us last night
Metal Warrior
12-23-2011, 13:29
It's irrelevant anyway, as Suarez admitted the use of the word negro (or negrito, whatever). That's the biggest joke of it all, Liverpool going out of their way to question the credibility of Evra when they've already admitted that Evra spoke the truth! It's such a ridiculous contradiction, and still it lives on. But hey, those defending Suarez aren't going to let logic and common sense get in their way.
manutdfan
12-23-2011, 13:47
I think it's a total disgrace what Liverpool are doing and Glen Johnson should of refused to wear the t shirt. If Liverpool do appeal against the ban it should be doubled.
Tutankhamun
12-23-2011, 14:15
Jones okay for Monday. http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Dec/mixed-injury-news-for-manchester-united.aspx
Best of news.
three3-times
12-23-2011, 14:51
and now no young for a few weeks..........
squirrelbo1
12-23-2011, 15:00
Hang on, in what context did Hansen say coloured??????
ANGRY BLACK MAN HERE!!!!!
LOL
when are black men ever not angry :snicker
seriously though he was talking about how football had got better but more needed to be done to get rid of racism, and then started talking about demographics and how there are players from all over the worlds. then he said there are loads of coloured players.
Metal Warrior
12-23-2011, 15:27
when are black men ever not angry :snicker
The better question is when is 33x even not angry. :p
Tutankhamun
12-23-2011, 15:58
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson: 'Our character has rescued us'
Sir Alex Ferguson says he understands the criticism that has been heaped on Manchester United this season but feels the setbacks they have suffered have only emphasised their strength of character.
The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8975551/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-Our-character-has-rescued-us.html)
True.
Metal Warrior
12-23-2011, 16:51
Suarez won the Sky Sports player of 2011 award, never mind there were loads and loads of better players than him. It sums up the small-time mentality of Liverpool supporters that they'd rig a poll like this as a reaction to the ban. I'd say it's fairly obvious one of Nani or Silva were the best players in 2011.
manutdfan
12-23-2011, 17:02
Suarez won the Sky Sports player of 2011 award, never mind there were loads and loads of better players than him. It sums up the small-time mentality of Liverpool supporters that they'd rig a poll like this as a reaction to the ban. I'd say it's fairly obvious one of Nani or Silva were the best players in 2011.
Yeah true Augero has been better than Suarez.
santinomarella
12-23-2011, 18:10
Suarez won the Sky Sports player of 2011 award, never mind there were loads and loads of better players than him. It sums up the small-time mentality of Liverpool supporters that they'd rig a poll like this as a reaction to the ban. I'd say it's fairly obvious one of Nani or Silva were the best players in 2011.
There was also a glitch in the poll where any votes for Suarez wouldn't register and there was outrage lol. They made Youtube videos to prove it as well.
The poll was also left open for longer than the deadline and Nani went on the get more votes than Suarez, which sparked further outrage. :lol:
The open top bus parade for Suarez's victory will be soon no doubt.
My personal opinion is that Van Persie should have won it, 34 goals in 2011 is insane. Suarez has 9.
Metal Warrior
12-23-2011, 18:15
There was also a glitch in the poll where any votes for Suarez wouldn't register and there was outrage lol. They made Youtube videos to prove it as well.
The poll was also left open for longer than the deadline and Nani went on the get more votes than Suarez, which sparked further outrage. :lol:
The open top bus parade for Suarez's victory will be soon no doubt.
My personal opinion is that Van Persie should have won it, 34 goals in 2011 is insane. Suarez has 9.
Good shout. It should've been between Nani, Silva and Van Persie. You could make a solid case for any of those three. Not Suarez.
StaticAge
12-23-2011, 20:14
It was pretty funny that on RAWK they were talking about ways to cheat and manipulate the results by voting constantly for a few days, but as soon as it went in favour of Nani they were crying corruption and that it was rigged :lol:
Tutankhamun
12-23-2011, 20:28
Giggs could carry on
"It's almost that time when I'll sit down with the manager and see what his plans are [for the future] and I'll see how I'm feeling," Ryan told ManUtd.com. "At the moment I feel really good and I'm enjoying things more than ever. We'll just have to wait and see."
ManUtd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Dec/ryan-giggs-could-carry-on-for-another-year.aspx)
He's going to outlive us all.
Metal Warrior
12-26-2011, 14:48
Today's line up is shocking as hell.
OFFICIAL MUFC TEAM:
Lindegaard
Valencia
Carrick
Evans
Evra
Nani
Gibson
Giggs
Park
Berbatov
Hernandez
SUBS: de Gea, Rafael, Fryers, Macheda, Diouf, Rooney, Welbeck.
I don't know what to say really... Our defence is obviously ravaged by injuries, but still some bizarre choices. Rafael on the bench, why not put him on and start Valencia at right wing? No it's Valencia RB and Park on. Fucking hell. And 4 fucking strikers and no midfielders, WHY THE HELL doesn't Fergie put Morisson and Pogba on the bench instead of Macheda and Diouf. That would still leave us with the amazing strike force of Rooney and Welbeck on the bench. Speaking of which, with such a disfigured starting line-up I don't understand why he doesn't start our most in form striker partnership. Our best midfielder in defence as well. This is completely fucked up. Even if we win there's a good chance this will disrupt our fantastic form.
Tutankhamun
12-26-2011, 15:57
Washing the car took a lot longer than anticipated. Missed the first half. Looks like it was eventful though!
Metal Warrior
12-26-2011, 15:58
That first half went well all things considered! Evra with a Messi impersonation and another Berbagoal for 2-0. Harsh red card for Wigan which certainly made things easier for us, even though we didn't need it with how well we're playing. Dowd missed a clear penalty for us as well, so not a good game for him at all. Anyway, we can push on and get a few goals now. Pleasantly surprised with how this is going, my earlier rant looks a bit silly now (not the first time that's happened).
That first half went well all things considered! Evra with a Messi impersonation and another Berbagoal for 2-0. Harsh red card for Wigan which certainly made things easier for us, even though we didn't need it with how well we're playing. Dowd missed a clear penalty for us as well, so not a good game for him at all. Anyway, we can push on and get a few goals now. Pleasantly surprised with how this is going, my earlier rant looks a bit silly now (not the first time that's happened).
Happens to me all the time lol
Tutankhamun
12-26-2011, 16:58
Berbatov's penalty was awesome.
Metal Warrior
12-26-2011, 17:05
Great stuff. Extremely weird match, Wigan actually had quite a few good opportunities but they were simply awful and messed up in the most hilarious of ways, and we just seemed so cool about it. By the end none of our players had a clue of where they were supposed to be and none of the Wigan players knew which of our players they had to mark. :lol: Great for our goal difference and Chelsea, Liverpool and City all drawing to modest teams is a brilliant bonus. Happy boxing day everyone. ^_^
yourmumsface17
12-27-2011, 17:34
12
C Smalling
Illness
no return date
J Evans
Calf/Shin Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/calf_and_shin/index.php)
14th Jan 12
R Ferdinand
Ankle/Foot Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/ankle_and_foot/index.php)
31st Dec 11
A Young
Ankle/Foot Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/ankle_and_foot/index.php)
11th Jan 12
P Jones
Facial Injury
31st Dec 11
slight doubt
D Fletcher
Bowel Condition
no return date
N Vidic
ACL Knee Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/knee/acl_sum.php)
Jun 12
Fabio
Hamstring Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/hip_and_thigh/hamstring_strain_sum.php)
31st Dec 11
Anderson
Knee Injury
23rd Feb 12
M Owen
Thigh Muscle Strain (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/hip_and_thigh/thigh_strain_sum.php)
no return date
T Cleverley
Ankle/Foot Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/ankle_and_foot/index.php)
31st Dec 11
T Bebe
ACL Knee Injury (http://www.physioroom.com/injuries/knee/acl_sum.php)
5th Feb 12
http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
Heartbreaking :lol:
Hope everyone had a great x mas!
United Fear A City Raid
MANCHESTER UNITED are facing a fight to keep two of their brightest young stars out of the hands of rivals Manchester City.
Teenagers ravel Morrison and Paul Pogba, key figures in United’s Fa Youth (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/292255/United-fear-a-City-raid#)cup-winning team last season, are both out of contract at the end of the season.
And City are heading a queue of top clubs ready to pounce if one or both refuse to sign new deals and become free agents.
United would be entitled to compensation for development costs because both players are under 24, but it would be a bitter blow to lose such talented youngsters – especially to their closest rivals. Sir Alex Ferguson wants to keep Morrison and Pogba, both 18, and has included them in his first-team squad and Carling Cup ties.
But United have yet to open talks with England youth international Morrison, amid concerns that a lucrative new deal could lead to more off-field problems.
He escaped a custodial sentence this year after pleading guilty to witness intimidation and further angered United when he admitted criminal damage.
United have started talks with France youth international Pogba, but Ferguson admitted they were having “difficulties” negotiating a new deal with his agent.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/292255/United-fear-a-City-raid
Tutankhamun
12-28-2011, 18:53
My Internet connection at home is broken. My ISP need to send out a repairman and fix the connection but they won't be able to until after new years. So I won't be able to post many stories for a whole. I've arranged to watch the City game the 8th of January elsewhere if I need to though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wwREHz7k5s
NSFW
You HAVE to watch that if you haven't already.
yourmumsface17
12-29-2011, 14:35
Yeah saw that, brilliant :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpLG43gdxbA&feature=player_embedded#!
What the....
Manchester United fear key defender Chris Smalling could be out for three months with glandular fever.
Smalling, 22, missed the Boxing Day win over Wigan with what was thought to be a heavy cold, but the illness is more serious and he will remain on the long list of United players currently sidelined through injury or illness.
The acute stage of glandular fever — usually involving flu-like symptoms and fatigue — lasts up to two weeks, but sufferers cannot do strenuous exercise for at least two months. For a professional footballer, it will be longer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2080025/Chris-Smalling-months-glandular-fever.html
Tutankhamun
12-30-2011, 13:03
Berbatov set for extension
Dimitar Berbatov is to be rewarded with a new contract at Old Trafford.
The Bulgarian, joint-top goalscorer in last season's Barclays Premier League, followed up a cheeky backheel at Fulham with a splendid hat-trick in the Boxing Day win over Wigan.
Sir Alex confirmed that the champions will be exercising the option to extend the former Spurs striker's deal until the end of the 2012/2013 season with the paperwork due to be finalised in the first few months of next year.
"We'll be exercising (the option to renew]," stated the manager. "I think it kicks in in March."
Berbatov will be keen to start against Blackburn on Saturday and continue his scoring streak after slamming five goals past Rovers in the fixture last season.
ManUtd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Dec/sir-alex-ferguson-confirms-dimitar-berbatov-contract-extension.aspx)
Unsurprising.
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Boss: Smalling has tonsillitis
It had been reported on Friday morning that the England international could be out of action for three months with glandular fever but Sir Alex set the record straight at his press conference ahead of the game with struggling Rovers.
ManUtd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Dec/manchester-united-team-news-v-blackburn.aspx)
santinomarella
12-30-2011, 14:16
Wrong illness and miles off the duration of the illness. Only in the Daily Fail.
We won't be back in the Champions League this season, FC Sion were deducted 36 points instead.
Tutankhamun
12-31-2011, 13:23
Sir Alex: Three more years
“I think I’ve got three years at the club,” he said. “As long as my health stays up, and as long as I’m still enjoying it and still getting the satisfaction of the team doing its best.”
ManUtd.com (http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2011/Dec/sir-alex-ferguson-targets-three-more-years-as-manchester-united-manager.aspx)
My home internet connection is still down so can't watch the game right now.
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 13:47
We're a goal down at half-time, at Old Trafford, to probably the worst team in the league. Wow. Who'd have thought after our recent run. Surely we'll turn them over in the second half...
Edit: Well we're 2 down now. Holy fuck.
Edit edit: immediately hit them back, 1-2 now. Game on.
yourmumsface17
12-31-2011, 14:01
Mike Dean is a joke.
But so it seems so are we hmmm.
EDIT: What happens when Valencia gets at the full back, well done Berba and Val
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 14:08
Berbaaaa for his second, 2 all now! We should go on to win now.
Tutankhamun
12-31-2011, 14:10
Do we have the momentum?
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 14:13
Do we have the momentum?
Yeah we do. Only worry is Nani is playing fucking shite. Valencia is on fire though.
Danny2304
12-31-2011, 14:26
Get in Blackburn
yourmumsface17
12-31-2011, 14:26
wtf
Will Keane time!
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 14:37
City must be enjoying theirselves. We've worked so hard to wipe their lead out and then we do this. We don't need anyone else to fuck up our title challenge, we manage fine by ourselves. Conceding 3 at home to Blackburn you've got to be fucking kidding.
three3-times
12-31-2011, 14:38
Dea Gea simply aint ready......
three3-times
12-31-2011, 14:39
couldnve done better for the 2nd goal as well.
lindegaard is so much better than de gea. comes with age imo
three3-times
12-31-2011, 14:41
we have just lost to the bottom club at home
i dare fergie to keep saying he is happy with the squad....
yourmumsface17
12-31-2011, 14:42
Keane clearing it off the line :( Bet Roy was loving that :lol:
Awful awful performance, we have left ourselves with lots to do, catch up 3 points while going to United stadium, St James Park, Emirates, Stamford Bridge.
Really really big ask.
With all the injuries it was difficult to pick a decent line up which was underlined by Park and Rafael in CM.
So frustrating
manutdfan
12-31-2011, 14:42
Fucking
manutdfan
12-31-2011, 14:43
Shit
Danny2304
12-31-2011, 14:43
Love commentators talking about Man Utd. Talk like they're some sort of super team that are invincible
manutdfan
12-31-2011, 14:43
Result
three3-times
12-31-2011, 14:43
"shakes head"
big BIG ask now, dunno how we managed to even get level with citeh...but with them away games and a depleted squad....nah
manutdfan
12-31-2011, 14:44
Love commentators talking about Man Utd. Talk like they're some sort of super team that are invincible
I love your depression and I love your double chin..
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 14:44
Got to say I have to agree now, Lindegaard should start every league game from now on. Harsh on De Gea but I can't forgive him this performance. Especially the 3rd goal, you wouldn't get that with Lindegaard. This is terrible, gifting the momentum to City again at one of the worst possible times of the season. Changes the title race this sort of result.
yourmumsface17
12-31-2011, 14:44
Did Jon Champion really call it "4 minutes of Fergie time" ? :lol: I mean their keeper must've wasted around 10 minutes himself :lol: I hate this "Fergie time" nonsense, it is the biggest myth in football, saw Arsenal get 5 mins added time the other day and no one batted an eye lid :lol: Oh well!
Can't believe the score though, utterly gobsmacked.
three3-times
12-31-2011, 14:49
Anders should be 1st choice, simply. De gea will be great, but not yet.
Sub-stance1
12-31-2011, 15:23
Its not the end of the world Man-U fans. . Its unrealistic to think that every time your team steps on the field that they will win. That's a very Dallas Cowboy way of thinking about it.
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 15:35
Its not the end of the world Man-U fans. . Its unrealistic to think that every time your team steps on the field that they will win. That's a very Dallas Cowboy way of thinking about it.
You ALWAYS expect to win at home to a relegation candidate, anything other is a disappointment.
Metal Warrior
12-31-2011, 15:40
Silly internets
Not seen any of the goals, so cannot comment on De Gea. But what I do not understand with Fergie. De Gea has a decent game and then he's dropped for the next. Pick a keeper and stick with him. Having said that GK is one area Fergie has a history of little or no patience with, pity he can't see it in some of the midfield players.
Not the end of the world, that probably happens next weekend in the FA cup. :sad:
Danny2304
12-31-2011, 16:57
I love your depression and I love your double chin..
Huh??
I'm not depressed nor am I fat
DangerousMali
12-31-2011, 17:15
Match of the Day anyone? :snicker
Match of the Day anyone? :snicker
In the words of that touchy feely sith.... Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
I'll be having a busy night with Stella, I heard DC prefers Jack. :cool:
http://i.imgur.com/HfGSO.gif
manutdfan
12-31-2011, 18:19
Hope we buy in Jan..
Tutankhamun
12-31-2011, 18:42
Stay classy, Suarez. http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2011/12/blogs/the-fa-publish-reasons-behind-the-luis-suarez-ban
What a disgrace.
DangerousMali
12-31-2011, 18:55
Stay classy, Suarez. http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2011/12/blogs/the-fa-publish-reasons-behind-the-luis-suarez-ban
What a disgrace.
I've lost so much respect for this player. A fucking shame.
Stay classy, Suarez. http://redflagflyinghigh.com/2011/12/blogs/the-fa-publish-reasons-behind-the-luis-suarez-ban
What a disgrace.
Indeeeeeeed. They were going through the report on Sky sports news and I found myself saying "what a cunt" many a time
three3-times
12-31-2011, 20:41
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/luis-suarez-patrice-evra-racism-verdict
so he is racist cunt
https://twitter.com/dhendrickbr/status/153217441340723200No wonder he didn't train well...
three3-times
12-31-2011, 21:48
sorry, but the boss is too blame for the defeat today
Tutankhamun
12-31-2011, 22:07
Did Rooney play today? If not, why not? (Having only 3G Internet sucks)
three3-times
12-31-2011, 23:01
rumours that fergie dropped him cos he went out with his wife boxing day........
sums fergie up if true.
Did Rooney play today? If not, why not? (Having only 3G Internet sucks)
You not pay your internet bill? :snicker
Did Rooney play today? If not, why not? (Having only 3G Internet sucks)
No he didn't. Only rumour is he went out on boxing day when the players were told not to.
Tutankhamun
12-31-2011, 23:34
rumours that fergie dropped him cos he went out with his wife boxing day........
sums fergie up if true.
Ah okay. I don't mind that if true. The players should respect the club policy.
You not pay your internet bill? :snicker
I wish. The fiber connection from my home to the central connection box is broken. Probably a fuzzed network card but I have to wait for my ISP to send a repairman -_-
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 13:27
I can't believe Liverpool defended Suarez over the whole racist remarks. The clubs reputation has gone right down.
I like how pants De Gea is :D
If he doesn't vastly improve his handling and commanding his area, every other team will continue to exploit it. Case in point: Fabianski. He could lose you the league
three3-times
01-01-2012, 16:52
thank you sunderland!!!!
R3D D3V!L
01-01-2012, 16:59
I'm glad City lost but it makes it even more annoying we lost yesterday.
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Metal Warrior
01-01-2012, 17:01
That was a great ending. :lol: The only thing that could've saved this weekend was City losing in the dying seconds by a clear offside goal. I feel a bit sorry for them as I would've been livid if that happened to us, but I'm chuffed to bits. :lol: This is great.
I think we all expected City and United to be level on points at the end of this weekends fixtures and they are. So move on and on to the next game.
Its a joke though that Liverpool have rested since Friday and City play today, when do they play? Oh only in 48 hours.
I think we all expected City and United to be level on points at the end of this weekends fixtures and they are. So move on and on to the next game.
Its a joke though that Liverpool have rested since Friday and City play today, when do they play? Oh only in 48 hours.
I agree and it's the same for us, play tomorrow night even though our next game after that isn't until next monday. Pathetic scheduling. Still at least Fulham are in the same boat
Tutankhamun
01-01-2012, 17:40
I like how pants De Gea is :D
If he doesn't vastly improve his handling and commanding his area, every other team will continue to exploit it. Case in point: Fabianski. He could lose you the league
If your young players can't make mistakes how can they learn? Nobody starts at the top.
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BBC Sport - January transfer window: Top 50 players who could move (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16237635.stm)
I really hope we get a couple of players.
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 18:28
I think Lindergaard should play against Newcastle and should get a run of games now. De Gea needs to be bedded in more, be brought on slowly. Gain experience etc.
Yeah me to we need a few in, in Jan window.
santinomarella
01-01-2012, 18:43
Football, bloody hell. :lol:
Sub-stance1
01-01-2012, 20:20
Maybe its time for Fergie to step aside. He is getting a bit old.
StaticAge
01-01-2012, 20:31
El-oh-el... that's a good one.
Sub-stance1
01-01-2012, 20:39
El-oh-el... that's a good one.
He's not getting any younger.
Tutankhamun
01-01-2012, 20:50
He's not getting any younger.
The assumption being football managers, by necessity, loses their ability to perform their job as they age?
Fergie has recently said (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/sir-alex-ferguson-three-years) he's staying on for three more years if health permits. So that ends that discussion.
Sub-stance1
01-01-2012, 21:17
The assumption being football managers, by necessity, loses their ability to perform their job as they age?
Age plays a factor in everything when you talk about sports.
Fergie has recently said (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/31/sir-alex-ferguson-three-years) he's staying on for three more years if health permits. So that ends that discussion.The key word is if. I don't see a person that is 70 years old getting any healthier when you look at the amount of stress that comes with this type of job .
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 21:32
Game shot and the match..
Tutankhamun
01-01-2012, 21:45
Age plays a factor in everything when you talk about sports.
What a great circumstance the manager role requires very little physical activity.
The key word is if. I don't see a person that is 70 years old getting any healthier when you look at the amount of stress that comes with this type of job .
I wasn't aware Sir Alex suffered from any health issues that requires him to get healthier.
Metal Warrior
01-01-2012, 22:11
Age plays a factor in everything when you talk about sports.
The key word is if. I don't see a person that is 70 years old getting any healthier when you look at the amount of stress that comes with this type of job .
Raymond Goethals won the Champions League in 93 with Marseille at the age of 73. It's not impossible to keep going past 70 you know. If a person still feels healthy, why quit? Fergie's been in management for long enough to know if it's okay to continue. He's calmed down a lot and I doubt the media affects him much at this stage. He converts the pressure of the job into a positive energy and drive. Once the job affects his health or vice versa, he'll quit, not sooner.
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 22:27
Fergieson has a few more years in him.
Tutankhamun
01-01-2012, 22:36
Wayne Rooney has no beef with Sir Alex Ferguson after costly dinner
Sources close to Wayne Rooney have denied there is a rift between the striker and Sir Alex Ferguson that threatens the England player's future at Old Trafford, insisting that Rooney understands the disciplinary reasons that led to him being dropped for the New Year's Eve defeat at home by Blackburn and has accepted his manager's decision.
Rooney, along with Jonny Evans and Darron Gibson, were brought in to do an extra day's training then left out of the United squad to face Blackburn after reportedly going out for a meal together with their respective partners in Manchester on Boxing Day, the evening of their 5-0 win against Wigan. There is no suggestion that any of the players misbehaved, stayed out too late or consumed too much alcohol, but Ferguson is understood to have found them in breach of club rules and disciplined them accordingly when he was made aware of the situation.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/01/wayne-rooney-manchester-united-discipline-meal)
Good to hear. Don't need any drama.
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 22:44
Yeah he's been punished for breaking the curfew. Time to move on now.
StaticAge
01-01-2012, 22:48
Liverpool fans have gone completely insane :lol::lol::lol:
R3D D3V!L
01-01-2012, 22:50
They have been for ages. :lol:
StaticAge
01-01-2012, 22:52
No I know they have been for ages, but they've now gone to a previously unthought of level :lol:
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 22:52
Liverpool fans have gone completely insane :lol::lol::lol:
Yes it's hard to Adam and eve. Would be best if they just left it now and accepted it, before they do any more damage to there image. There fans are blind morons on here most of them anyway.
StaticAge
01-01-2012, 23:00
There fans are blind morons on here most of them anyway.
I think that's being kind :lol:
If your young players can't make mistakes how can they learn? Nobody starts at the top.
I really hope we get a couple of players.
Sorry I can't agree. Plenty of young players in the game that do not consistently, and I mean consistently make mistakes like he does.
Joe Hart started broke in to the City team at 21 and also became a England International in the same year.
He has played in the top flight since and I honestly can't think or recall him making the same amount of mistakes in 3 years than De Gea in his first half of a season in this league.
Let De Gea make his blunders in the reserves if he 'has' to make them.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/01/wayne-rooney-manchester-united-discipline-meal)
Good to hear. Don't need any drama.
Good to hear there is no beef there. Last time there was drama a transfer request was handed in and a huge pay rise given. Wouldn't want that happening again.
Tutankhamun
01-01-2012, 23:25
Sorry I can't agree. Plenty of young players in the game that do not consistently, and I mean consistently make mistakes like he does.
Joe Hart started broke in to the City team at 21 and also became a England International in the same year.
He has played in the top flight since and I honestly can't think or recall him making the same amount of mistakes in 3 years than De Gea in his first half of a season in this league.
Let De Gea make his blunders in the reserves if he 'has' to make them.
Hart is an English player brought up in the culture and making the ranks in England. For De Gea that's not the case. Making him play in the reserves wouldn't have the desired effect at this point.
De Gea doesn't constantly make mistakes, the games where he does is the only time his performances are ever talked about though. That's some unfair media attention.
We are trying to replace one of the best GK's to ever play the game. It'll take time and patience to do that. SAF knows that.
Metal Warrior
01-01-2012, 23:47
It's true the only way to learn is by playing first team football, but we have to use him intelligently while he's still learning. I feel in games where we're expecting a physical struggle Lindegaard is a safer bet. Especially when there's a reason to suspect he might not get the best support in defence, i.e. when you're fielding a midfielder in centre back. Games against top teams I have no problem with De Gea starting, but until he bulks up I wouldn't field him against battlers like Blackburn.
manutdfan
01-01-2012, 23:52
Man the Liverpool fans on here are thick, there's no getting through there thick skulls!!
santinomarella
01-02-2012, 00:14
Man the Liverpool fans on here are thick, there's no getting through there thick skulls!!There's no need to get involved, it's their player who has been found guilty of racially abusing another player. It's over for us, up to Liverpool what they do next.
If they want to insult United and say we have no class, let them, a lot of irony in calling someone scum then saying they have class :lol: It's not just United fans who disagree with Liverpool's response to the ban. It's only their image they're continuing to damage.
Big game coming up against Newcastle which we need a good response from, that's all we need to be interested in while maintaining a back seat to laugh at the scousers. :snicker
yourmumsface17
01-02-2012, 00:28
Oh my what the hell happened in the Liverpool thread? :lol: Gutted I missed it!
I don't understand how they can defend Suarez still? :confused: He admitted to saying it and the report pretty much gives a ton of evidence and lists a lot of the testimony, and from what I understand they used video footage that was unseen from us viewers.
No one is calling Suarez a racist lets get that nailed in, he just used racist language to provoke a player (I don't care that it was Evra, this isn't Man United v Liverpoo - and this previous accusations nonsense is ludicrous)
I do think it's a shame they are sticking by their player sooo much, no one is expecting them to sack Suarez, but a simple acknowledgement of disaprovement or disapointment in the way LFC have reacted recently would be nice.
Oh my what the hell happened in the Liverpool thread? :lol: Gutted I missed it!
I don't understand how they can defend Suarez still? :confused: He admitted to saying it and the report pretty much gives a ton of evidence and lists a lot of the testimony, and from what I understand they used video footage that was unseen from us viewers.
No one is calling Suarez a racist lets get that nailed in, he just used racist language to provoke a player (I don't care that it was Evra, this isn't Man United v Liverpoo - and this previous accusations nonsense is ludicrous)
I do think it's a shame they are sticking by their player sooo much, no one is expecting them to sack Suarez, but a simple acknowledgement of disaprovement or disapointment in the way LFC have reacted recently would be nice.
There is none. Not one iota of evidence.
The words Probable, Probably, Probability, Possible and Assume appear exactly 50 times in the FA report.
The word Proven is not included.
Im sorry but,that is not evidence. Yes, Suarez admitted to a word which in his native tongue does not mean shit.
Does that make him racist?
The media have done a good job on making him out to be.
manutdfan
01-02-2012, 01:00
He made a racist comment that's what the ban is for, plus the v sign to the fans. Obviously the guys a bit of a cock.
Still defending the guy even know he made a racist comment I'd just accept it if it was me and stop defending him and lose a lot of respect for the guy. Also be disappointed.
Liverpool haven't come out of the whole thing very well or Gollum hasn't.
yourmumsface17
01-02-2012, 01:05
There is none. Not one iota of evidence.
The words Probable, Probably, Probability, Possible and Assume appear exactly 50 times in the FA report.
The word Proven is not included.
Im sorry but,that is not evidence. Yes, Suarez admitted to a word which in his native tongue does not mean shit.
Does that make him racist?
The media have done a good job on making him out to be.
*Sigh* There were tons of witnesses, lots of unseen video footage, linguistic experts I believe were also consulted. The result was due to the fact that it is pure ridiculous that he was calling Evra his "friend" when he was pinching him and CLEARLY heard saying by Kuyt and the ref something like "get away from me negro" or something (I forget and it's late).
I don't want to repeat it again but you have made me do it.
NO ONE IS CALLING HIM A RACIST!
I don't think he is, I just think he is stupid! He was found guilty by an independent commision not "Fungusons FA's" as you put it in the other thread, simply because it is ludicrous that he meant "buddy" when he said racist remarks.
Liverpool's lawyer also rejected the notion that it was simply a decision based on one mans word against the other
..but you ignore the decision an independent panel came too and continue to blindly follow whatever propganda your club is spitting out, please appeal we could use more laughs around here.
santinomarella
01-02-2012, 01:06
Yes, Suarez admitted to a word which in his native tongue does not mean shit.
Does that make him racist?
The media have done a good job on making him out to be.
This isn't South America though is it? How is Evra to know what the word means in Suarez's country?
From what I saw on Sky Sports News that word even in Uruguay can still be offensive depending on the way it is used. What this commission determined was that the word was not used in a light hearted, friendly way.
What some Liverpool fans do not seem to realise is that Suarez has not been found guilty of being a racist, he has been found guilty on using a racial slur, but that does not make him a racist.
yourmumsface17
01-02-2012, 01:10
This isn't South America though is it? How is Evra to know what the word means in Suarez's country?
From what I saw on Sky Sports News that word even in Uruguay can still be offensive depending on the way it is used. What this commission determined was that the word was not used in a light hearted, friendly way.
What some Liverpool fans do not seem to realise is that Suarez has not been found guilty of being a racist, he has been found guilty on using a racial slur, but that does not make him a racist.
Exactly, no one is calling him a racist (Although we are calling KKKenny one now and all them guys at Klanfield ;) hehe )
They've clearly used common sense, Suarez admitted to using the word, players heard him, he was caught on camera, and you can clearly see they are not buddies when they are chatting, it's pretty cut and dry when you break it down.
EDIT:
356. Mr Suarez's pinching of Mr Evra's skin was not an attempt to defuse the situation. On the contrary, it was an attempt to aggravate Mr Evra and to inflame the situation. Mr Suarez's admitted use of the word "negro" when speaking to Mr Evra was not conciliatory and friendly. It was unfriendly and was used as part of Mr Suarez's attempt to wind up Mr Evra. The whole tenor of the exchanges was confrontational and argumentative. Adopting the words used by the Spanish language experts, Mr Suarez did not use "negro" with any sense of rapport or in an attempt to create such rapport.
357. Not only did we reject this evidence of Mr Suarez, but we found it remarkable that he sought to advance a case that was so clearly inconsistent with any sensible appreciation of what happened. Even Mr McCormick accepted in his closing submissions that the pinching could not reasonably be described as an attempt to defuse the situation. To suggest otherwise, as Mr Suarez did, was unarguable. Mr Suarez's evidence on these
topics, which was shown to be flawed, profoundly undermined our confidence in the reliability of his evidence