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onto it so you don't need a Memory Card? I really want it to have it because my memory cards always mess up and I am tired of buying new ones.
Nothing is really known as to how memory will be saved. I do believe though that Sony will go the route of having an HDD. It seems practicall now to implement one, especially with the emphasis of online play.
gaming ultima
02-18-2004, 00:40
after the xbox having HDD and the ps2 having its add on 40GB HDD it is likely tht the ps3 will hav a HDD and certain that it will hav 1 as an add on if it does not ship with 1
remember sony are no fools
curryking1
02-18-2004, 23:18
:D Hi. This is my first post on this site. I know you may be expecting the PS3 to have a hard drive, but actually looking a factual information, you may agree with me that this may not be the case. According to Microsoft, they now find that putting a HD in their console was a bad idea. They found that adding $90 (what a 50 gig HD costed at the time soon after release of the XBOX) on to what could have been the base price of their system pushed eyes away from possible consumers. What would you say is a better marketing strategy?
1) The PS2 costs $349.99 (just making up prices) and they do not include the extra price of the memory card.
2) The XBOX costs $439.99 (fake prices again) with a HD and not many people who considered buying the system actually knew about the HD.
The PS2 in this fictional situation is obviously looking more appealing. The Sony method effectively puts themselves on top and cuts their own costs while making more money off of memory cards.
Of course, by the time the PS3 does come out, an HD of today will be a lot cheaper (lowering the cost) than the one of tomorrow, but the games will require more memory (raising the cost). When those three factors (the marketing strategy and more space required = more cost for Sony and consumers make the decision less likely and appealing, and a cheaper memory cost making it more likely) come together, it seems more like the not having a HD is more likely of a situation because Sony has a product looking less costly and still making the same amount of money. Most owners of the PS3 will buy 1-3 (or more) memory cards. Sony is a marketing genius, so they will know what to do... :twisted:
gaming ultima
02-19-2004, 00:57
that is very true but as i said if the ps3 does not ship with a hdd sony will make 1 availble like with the ps2's 40GB hdd. but i do think sony will be looking to have a hdd as 1 it has some very big...
curryking1
02-19-2004, 01:01
I agree with your theory as well gaming ultima. I was just giving my thoughts and backing it up with some reasonable explanations. It was just my opinion. Yours is very good too. I guess now we'll just wait and see whether our hero Sony can come up with a powerful console to monopolize the industry of video-gaming.
oxygenuk
03-24-2004, 09:41
i think ps3 hd was confirmed i read somewhere a few months ago.. microsoft are saying nextbox will not feature a hdd :lol:
gaming ultima
03-24-2004, 16:18
i think ps3 hd was confirmed i read somewhere a few months ago.. microsoft are saying nextbox will not feature a hdd :lol:
a ps3 HDD was never comfirmed, its just very very likely and micosoft never said that the next xbox wont have a HDD, but it looks that way as they are going down the flash memory route and the company that will be surplying the flash memory, m-systems boss said that the next xbox will not have a HDD, this is also backed up by ed fries leaving microsoft game studios, he was the 1 that thought for the xbox to ahve a HDD and he was the one that got microsoft to buy bungie and rare
i think ps3 hd was confirmed i read somewhere a few months ago.. microsoft are saying nextbox will not feature a hdd :lol:
a ps3 HDD was never comfirmed, its just very very likely and micosoft never said that the next xbox wont have a HDD, but it looks that way as they are going down the flash memory route and the company that will be surplying the flash memory, m-systems boss said that the next xbox will not have a HDD, this is also backed up by ed fries leaving microsoft game studios, he was the 1 that thought for the xbox to ahve a HDD and he was the one that got microsoft to buy bungie and rare
I never saw saying that Sony confirmed HDD on PS3, like gaming ultima said, very likely that PS3 will have a HDD, as Sony really says.
But, for the part that XBox 2 is a rumour of not having HDD, no, it's really oficial that XBox 2 won't have a HDD.
Sony said the PS3 will have Linux due to the sucess from the Kit Linux to PS2, and, to have Linux incorporated, PS3 will need to have a HDD.
Even if it doesn't, no need for memory card, do you know X-Port?That's the solution for memery card's, with X-Port you can save your date in your pc HDD just by linking the PS2 with the PC.
gaming ultima
04-03-2004, 12:39
welcome to the forum John
actually there was no official press statement from microsoft saying that the next xbox will not have a HDD, we just all think os because the chairman of M-systems (eho microsoft have contracted to make them flash memory for the next xbox said that the next xbox wouldnt and a few souces here and there said the same thing, but no offical statement
x-port was a great idea, but it would be better wireless(as long as its got encryption) because when i first saw x-port i was thinking of gettign ti untill i found out that its cable was about 6ft 6, i would need a 40 maybe 45ft cable
Yep just to clarify -
It has never been directly confirmed as to whether or not Xbox2 will have a HDD or not. What has happend, though, is that Microsoft has made a deal with a company to be supplied Flash memory cards for the Xbox 2. This strongly implies there wont be a HDD, but doesnt definitely confirm it.
Re: Sony, they havent made any press releases regarding the HDD situation, however some fair high up officials have said in interviews that it is very likely.
gaming ultima
04-04-2004, 03:11
i think sony should have a raid 0 40GB HDD as unless you going to use it for PSX sim purposes a big HDD is not nessasary but good data tranfere rates is and thats why if u have a raid 0 (2x 20GB hdd) u get good fast transferes (quicker then all flash memory for small-medium and abouve files(only very very very small files are quicker on flash memory because of their 0 seek time))
The problem with nice and fast HDD's like those is that they quickly become very expensive as you go up in disk size. But what your saying is a good idea, a fast disk with only as much space as necessary is a good idea.
oxygenuk
04-04-2004, 22:50
and also its pretty very obvious that it will have built in HDD because they've released an hdd for the ps2...
last year they released ps2 online and now its gonna be a built in feature on the ps3...
see what im saying 8) :P
gaming ultima
04-05-2004, 00:10
this is why i said that it should be a raid 0 40GB HDD, because raid 0 can get expesnive as the capasity goes up but u dont need that much capasity unless your going to do psx like jobs on it, and really u dont need 40GB but the ps2 HDD is 40GB and so ppl wont want anything smaller just because they will see it as going backwards
with you lot being PS3 fans most of you might not know that XBOX departmental leader J.Allard recently slipped XBOX 2 harddisk information over a few alcoholic drinks, apparently it may be portable?
gaming ultima
05-02-2004, 11:42
yea he said there will be a portable harddrive which will be an ipod killer because when your not using it for your next xbox u can use it for stuff like music im guessing
I understand him now just that the idea doesnt sound that out of the park when you consider that the PS2 has a removable hdd if you buy one. Not one cased in like on the Xbox. I guess this HDD would be a bit more advanced than your typical one..neat idea.
I however think some form of a memory stick can accomplish the same thing. Their so advanced now. It'd make it alot easier than toting a big hard drive around.
Well an IPOD is tiny and they have like 40 GB HD's and they are only about twice the size of a Memory stick. But yea still memory sticks have their uses.
tis post is probably late.. but sony realesed a new memory called memory sticks which sony has so far been implementing into most of there products so it wouldnt surprise me if they used them for the PS3 and the reason for xbox2 not having a harddrive is because of moding alot of people moded there xbox and put a bigger hardrive in it and saved hole games onto it so people could just go out rent a game and copy it onto the hard drive so ms is my gues going to take a diffrent aproach by using somthing like memory cards to make them more money and to save from piracy. alot o you people will probably hate me for saying this but people also are doing this with the ps2 hardrive and i am currently thinking about doing it my self
Final_fantasy
08-12-2004, 17:33
dont ripoff games, its rude.
tis post is probably late.. but sony realesed a new memory called memory sticks which sony has so far been implementing into most of there products so it wouldnt surprise me if they used them for the PS3 and the reason for xbox2 not having a harddrive is because of moding alot of people moded there xbox and put a bigger hardrive in it and saved hole games onto it so people could just go out rent a game and copy it onto the hard drive so ms is my gues going to take a diffrent aproach by using somthing like memory cards to make them more money and to save from piracy. alot o you people will probably hate me for saying this but people also are doing this with the ps2 hardrive and i am currently thinking about doing it my self
Yea I referred to memory sticks in my previous post. You are right though, PS3 is likely to use memory sticks because they are a quality bit of technology and Sony makes them themselves. PS3 will need decent memory storage and the memory sticks would be a perfect replacement for the old memory cards.
PlayStation 3
08-12-2004, 17:51
Yea I referred to memory sticks in my previous post. You are right though, PS3 is likely to use memory sticks because they are a quality bit of technology and Sony makes them themselves. PS3 will need decent memory storage and the memory sticks would be a perfect replacement for the old memory cards.So it will not have a hard drive? Don't get me wrong I didn't say u did I am just asking will it have one?
also the psx uses memory sticks and since sony developed them it makes sense to do that and by the way i cant do that ps2 mod thing since i cant find the software :p
So it will not have a hard drive? Don't get me wrong I didn't say u did I am just asking will it have one?
No, PS3 is very likely to have a hard drive. This is because Sony are so keen on online gaming and a harddrive can be a very useful tool when using the internet. Plus it speeds up loading times.
Blah!
Here's my speculation of the PS3 :D I make bad speculations, just like the one in my sig hahahahahaha
Speculation...
The Playstation 3 will use the Hard Drive for either saves or patches, you have an option to save to a memory card for different uses as traveling, the PS3's hard drive will be removable so you can upgrade with the HDs Sony provides. the Memory Card will attain the same little rectangular compact so that it would work with all previous memory cards, MC1,2...The Playstation 3 Hard Drive would be used "mostly" for the online portion and the downloading of patches, thus a big 30-50 GB Hard Drive, and an upgrade since it would incorporate MP3s, and all the software, the PS3's Hard Drive will be the software of most the things, Sony Online-DVD Region ?-MP3 Ripper-DVD Burn O_O-and the patches and upgrades of course.
The memory card is there so you can take it on the go and transfer with you're friends without having to bring the whole PS3 with you, in which case if you decide to bring the PS3 with you then there are USB Ports so you can connect both the PS3s together and it can transfer saves
Besides the PS3 will incorporate the same size control, just like Dual Shock ^_^ so that any previous products work too...just that not all of them will 8)
Sooo it's very likely that the PS3 will include "BOTH" Hard Drives and Memory Cards of the same size. :)
don_milz
08-12-2004, 21:35
This is what i think would happen:
Assuming the 2 versions idea is true, then the upper version will incorporate a HDD, because of all the features such as burning DVD, recording TV etc. these would require a HDD.
I also think the lower version will not have a HDD, but will use memory sticks which will replace the magic gate card (AKA memory card) as a form of saving data, but the lower version will be able to have a HDD just like the PS2, it's not ready built in.
I have doubts that there will be 2 versions, more-likely a newer PSX instead of the flopped one...different systems... :(
i dont agree with 2 versions because then 1 would have more options in a game then others such as having a HDD when the other doesnt then online play for the other would be crap because you cant get patches so if there is 2 versions they will both probably have a HDD
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 06:06
It would be really nice if they do use a hardrive liek 80 gigs and memory sticks too cause u might want something that u saved on ur hard drive to transfer it to a friends or something liek that and would seem really usefull indeed ... or maybe even have interaction with a computer or something? wouldn't that liek be cool!
sure!!! that's a good thing you know...soooo I'm thinking like 50 gig hd? maybe?
I dunno...let's hope no 2 versions, and the complete deal for 349.95 like my sig
8)
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 09:18
sure!!! that's a good thing you know...soooo I'm thinking like 50 gig hd? maybe?
I dunno...let's hope no 2 versions, and the complete deal for 349.95 like my sig
8)Lol ... yah same here I would hate it if they had 2 versions cause then thier would be a bit a confusion going(Ofcousre I will be getting the superior model if it does happen :mrgreen:)
And watashi I don't think they make hard drives that size u see. This is how the rule is implied ... a hard drive can only be double in size etc ... example I can't remember way back then so I will give u a nowaday true fact.
Remember 20 gigs right ... got doubled to 40 gigs ... which in turn can only be doubled etc ... 80 gigs ... 80 gigs x 2 = 160 ... 160 gigs x 2 = 320 ... 320 gigs x 2= 640 gigs etc ...
Which I'm not sure if we have reached those high points?
So pretty much thas the ruled and it cannot be broken cause thier liek not manutured in different sizes ...
Also may I state as I am an A+ year 12 student aiming to do Medical Science ... that moores's law states that microprocessors speeds double in every 12 month to an 18 month period. Thus making data density double every 18 months too.
Current Science states that they expect Moore's Law to hold for at least another two decades.
Now thas a long freakin wait till one day we can hopefully prove moore wrong but not for a damn long time :D 20 years 2 b precise 8)
Then why do I have a 180Gig hardrive?
Mores law has nothing to do with Hard Drive memory capacity. Hard Drives don't have transistor gaps like processors do, which is what Mores Law applies to. Hard Drives get bigger as silicon engineering techniques improve, not as transistor gaps get smaller, like in the example of a computer processor.
Also HD's memory capacity doesn't always double. There size is not set in stone. It's quite easy to find 10GB, 20GB, 30GB, 40GB, 50GB, 60GB, 80GB and 100 GB size Hard Drives.
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 10:40
Mores law has nothing to do with Hard Drive memory capacityDude I neva said that nor was I referring my statement to hard drives I was referring it to microprocessors. If u would have read my post properly u would have understood!
Mores law has nothing to do with Hard Drive memory capacityDude I neva said that nor was I referring my statement to hard drives I was referring it to microprocessors. If u would have read my post properly u would have understood!
So why did you mention it then? :roll:
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 11:18
So why did you mention it then? :roll: Just thought they might like to know it that's all and to increase thier knowlegde ... I get critisised from nearly everone here! Meanies
So your trying to sound like a guru. If you read in the rules the forums you'll see we could do without gurus/know it alls. Basically people trying to sound intellegent and posting information that is not needed at that moment....something like that.
:shock: :shock: :shock:
Ooook....welll that was wierd...HDs come in 10-60, then they skipped up to 80,100,120,150,200,250,300,350
*Sooo they "can" do 50, but maybe a 60 or eighty...since it'd have a tv tuner and stuff...but I don't think that's nesscessary...just a freaking PSXtreme if they have 2 hahahaha...PSX/PS3 same difference big deal -.-
I found an intresting article on this and I will try finishing it up for tomarrow. I am sorry about not getting my article up right away lately...I ahve been very busy.
GI-UNIT55
12-19-2006, 02:39
Wow This Is Vry Old Now All Of This Is
xmokshax
12-19-2006, 03:02
so WHY BRING IT BACK UP? pointless.
The admins are going to pwn you for being a necro.
Heh, they suspended the last guy for a couple days for bringing old threads back to the top.
bnolan56
12-19-2006, 03:16
wow what an old thread! like 2 years old jesus
I don't really mind this stuff coming up again, it really just shows how peoples opinions and expectations have changed over time.
For instance, Morpheus was right on the money here.
No, PS3 is very likely to have a hard drive. This is because Sony are so keen on online gaming and a harddrive can be a very useful tool when using the internet. Plus it speeds up loading times.
crap....
i came in here just to flame the noob who didnt know that the PS3 has a HDD but now i cant cause its 2 years old and its some dumbass' fault that its here.
Infiltraitor
12-19-2006, 03:25
Haha! Message board necrophiliac... that's great.
crap....
i came in here just to flame the noob who didnt know that the PS3 has a HDD but now i cant cause its 2 years old and its some dumbass' fault that its here.
I don't think it's a good idea to enter a thread with the intention to flame. It probably leads to bad things.
Luckskywalker7
09-27-2007, 03:26
wow i just saw this. Imagine all that has changed since this threads creation.
mrnagy88
09-27-2007, 03:29
ugh... did you have to??? now this thread will need to be closed lol.
pretty funny though :-p
360Spider
09-27-2007, 03:57
LOL....second time it's been revived.
TheMadTitan
09-27-2007, 04:03
i hope then dont close this lol. its funny to see old threads sometimes. let it die out and then in a year or so bring it back again LOL.
Some threads...just...won't...die.
I hate thread necromancy.
http://www.w3bdevil.com/forums/Thread-Sucks-Come_for-Arnold.jpg
Mods please lock, btw how did that person at the beginning of the thread become a SMC
Lucky, please don't resurrect ancient threads.