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FinalEvangelion
07-04-2008, 03:53
the new media create sales showed some unusually high 360 sales. The last several weeks, the 360 has been increasing steadily in weekly sales. Last Week (6/23 to 6/29) -
PSP 58,861
Wii 48,480
DS Lite 48,884
PS3 17,973
PS2 7,673
Xbox 360 5,104
http://m-create.com/ranking/
It's still not anywhere near a healthy sales level, but I think the new jRPGs coming out for it are starting to benefit MS in Japan. There was the Gundam game this week, so we should see over the next few weeks what happens.
The Sith
07-04-2008, 04:12
this is a start of maybe MS finally beginning to break the ice in japan.I think an announce of a couple of exclusive jrpg will put them on the road to glory.
FinalEvangelion
07-04-2008, 04:43
this is a start of maybe MS finally beginning to break the ice in japan.I think an announce of a couple of exclusive jrpg will put them on the road to glory.
I think they are finally starting to get people to put the original Xbox behind them. MS is doing what Sony should be doing - releasing a constant stream of jRPGs. If Sony did that, I don't think they would be there with the Wii, but they could be a very respectable second place over there.
BakaMaster
07-04-2008, 04:59
I think they are finally starting to get people to put the original Xbox behind them. MS is doing what Sony should be doing - releasing a constant stream of jRPGs. If Sony did that, I don't think they would be there with the Wii, but they could be a very respectable second place over there.
But sony isnt like MS, not in the pass that is. After all this war Both console is becoming like each other. Same way from its layout witch making me sad. Too many demand on people. Now trying to build the ultimate PC like console.:evil:
For those who have a PC why need 360 & PS3 as PC like.
People who have Internet have PC.
People who dont have inernet will have slow as connection if trying to get online on both console.
At less Nintendo is doing what they always do but Sony & MS is trying to go beyond the PC like this Gen. :neutral:
I'm confused, the 360 has sold that & more in the past........so what makes this week special?
The Sith
07-04-2008, 05:07
I'm confused, the 360 has sold that & more in the past........so what makes this week special?
compare that to a paltry 1000 a week or less.Yes these are huge numbers.
FinalEvangelion
07-04-2008, 05:13
I'm confused, the 360 has sold that & more in the past........so what makes this week special?
The upward trend in sales the last few weeks without major releases in Japan. The recent jRPG announcement I think did something. It's a start.
I see....okey-dokey then :DD
the new media create sales showed some unusually high 360 sales. The last several weeks, the 360 has been increasing steadily in weekly sales. Last Week (6/23 to 6/29) -
PSP 58,861
Wii 48,480
DS Lite 48,884
PS3 17,973
PS2 7,673
Xbox 360 5,104
http://m-create.com/ranking/
It's still not anywhere near a healthy sales level, but I think the new jRPGs coming out for it are starting to benefit MS in Japan. There was the Gundam game this week, so we should see over the next few weeks what happens.
The week before though and before that they were at about 2500 a week, which is where they've been the last months. The Gundam game boosted sales this week, having the game make the top 10, but I'd be shocked if they crack 4k next week. Nothing really indicating they are making much progress. Heck, even the PS3 dropped big time after the first MGS4 week. My guess is they will be back to about 12k next week.
Staticneuron
07-04-2008, 12:21
I am firmly convinced that alot of those sales come from foreigners that live in japan. Authors, Military, students, jobs. I have always wondered how many purchased are done by the japanese themselves.
hardly would say that a 1 week spike in sales is grounds for a 360 coming to life in japan party just yet. Lets wait and see next week how it looks.
I find it very unlikely that this specific week is any kind of major change.
That is a lot of PSP sales....
That is a lot of PSP sales....
ever since FF VII:CC, it seems psp sales have top the charts non-stop. Kinda shows that with the right game you can move a lot of hardware
SharkOutofWater
07-04-2008, 13:34
thats now 6 straight weeks of sales increase on the 360, so it has to show some good.
1200, 1400, 1500, 2100, 3100, and now 5100.
So at least it is showing some sort of life there.
thats now 6 straight weeks of sales increase on the 360, so it has to show some good.
1200, 1400, 1500, 2100, 3100, and now 5100.
So at least it is showing some sort of life there.
That's what the problem is for Microsoft; they haven't have steadily sales and much less steadily increased sales in Japan. If they keep that pattern they should be ok. Let's see how much this lasts.
Byoushinn
07-04-2008, 16:28
ever since FF VII:CC, it seems psp sales have top the charts non-stop. Kinda shows that with the right game you can move a lot of hardware
yep
and with this came the slim PSP, Japan started buying the PSP when it got a makeover
youd think Sony would have a slim ps3 in the works really
I find it very unlikely that this specific week is any kind of major change.
I agree. I wouldn't get my hopes up (unless you enjoy dissapointment). :lol:
yep
and with this came the slim PSP, Japan started buying the PSP when it got a makeover
youd think Sony would have a slim ps3 in the works really
I think it's got more to do with the fact that the "slim" PSP made people look at the PSP again, and then realise what a good backlog it has.
I've heard that PSP 2nd hand game sales are monstrous.
A slim PS3 won't do any good unless there is software to support the system.
There better but next week back down the 1k units. The XBOX 360 will never come to life in Japan, it will have the odd week that it does good.
MS should drop the price of the 360 in japan. make it the same price as the wii..
I think is is great that they are selling more units.
I get a little laugh out of the folks who are all saying that this means nothing. I am not a fan of numbers, or even care that much about them, but the fact that they have consistently increased their numbers over the past 6-7 weeks has to count for something.
Maybe the prospect of all the JRPG's they have coming has reaped dividends.
The 360 already has plenty of JRPGs available in Japan. I would think that sales would have already increased if they were going to due to JRPGs. The thing MS is lacking though is FF. The Japanese love those games (see FFVII, X, XII etc). The lines for those games go for miles, and I'm sure it will continue with FFXIII.
It's just that none of the JRPGs MS has are big name, nor were many of them that good. If MS really wants to crack the market they need a bigtime Japanese developer, with a big time Japanese game to boot.
bobtheduck
07-04-2008, 19:25
The sales doubled, for sure, just like they did when a couple other games released for it, but they went right back down. Japan is portable town, and they don't like the xbox. Two facts that will make the world a much simpler place once everyone admits them.
LeisureSuitLarry
07-04-2008, 19:31
I think is is great that they are selling more units.
I get a little laugh out of the folks who are all saying that this means nothing. I am not a fan of numbers, or even care that much about them, but the fact that they have consistently increased their numbers over the past 6-7 weeks has to count for something.
Maybe the prospect of all the JRPG's they have coming has reaped dividends.
Well....it is hard for folks to take notice when the console still has a lock on last place in Japan. I think beating the PS2 would be a more impressive indicator of the 360's rise in Japan.
The 360 already has plenty of JRPGs available in Japan. I would think that sales would have already increased if they were going to due to JRPGs. The thing MS is lacking though is FF. The Japanese love those games (see FFVII, X, XII etc). The lines for those games go for miles, and I'm sure it will continue with FFXIII.
It's just that none of the JRPGs MS has are big name, nor were many of them that good. If MS really wants to crack the market they need a bigtime Japanese developer, with a big time Japanese game to boot.
I would agree with most of this, but they have had kind big name devs working on these JRPG's but still little to no improvement in sales. I think MS are their own worst enemy in Japan, brand name appeal seems to go a very long way in Japan, and MS does have that at all.
Galvanise_
07-04-2008, 19:49
I expect the sales to go back down. Star Ocean 4's major sales area is North America and I suspect most gamers will wait for The Last Remnant to arrive on PS3 before buying it. A major factor will be when White Knight Chronicles is released. IF it is released in 2008, the sales of Disgaea 3 and WKC will put a severe dampener on Microsofts projected end of year sales.
SharkOutofWater
07-04-2008, 19:50
The 360 already has plenty of JRPGs available in Japan. I would think that sales would have already increased if they were going to due to JRPGs. The thing MS is lacking though is FF. The Japanese love those games (see FFVII, X, XII etc). The lines for those games go for miles, and I'm sure it will continue with FFXIII.
It's just that none of the JRPGs MS has are big name, nor were many of them that good. If MS really wants to crack the market they need a bigtime Japanese developer, with a big time Japanese game to boot.
Star Ocean 4, Published by SE, with Tri-ace (or am I getting it confused with the one with a similiar name) producing. I dont think that is that bad of a name. A tales game which has a good history (not huge sales though)
The bigger names are coming, will be interested. Nothing will compare to when the 2 FF's come out though. They will be sold out.
Star Ocean 4, Published by SE, with Tri-ace (or am I getting it confused with the one with a similiar name) producing. I dont think that is that bad of a name. A tales game which has a good history (not huge sales though)
The bigger names are coming, will be interested. Nothing will compare to when the 2 FF's come out though. They will be sold out.
Yea, I could see SO4 moving consoles. So long as it stays exclusive. I think the thought remains that FF will still control the RPG market.
webshark
07-04-2008, 20:58
while i agree that this weeks sales alone are in now way indicative of 360 sales at a whole, i do have some interesting stats to dish out here.
last week was marked the highest fraction of total sales the 360 has received since that fateful week in november when AC6 released and it outsold the ps3.
the thing to notice about the 360 right now is that its sales are rising, and are above average, while by-and-large, everything other than the monster hunter portable player are in the gutter. (hell DS sales are 1/3 that of last years)
tho those who have been saying that the 360 has increased the last 6 weeks are wrong unless i recorded the numbers incorrectly, tho it has been steadily rising for the last few months. below is a nice little graph for you to make your own judgement.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa27/websharkngw/Japan%20MC%20Charts/NewPicture2.png
sorrow880
07-04-2008, 21:07
PART of the reason the 360 had a large spike in sales this week was because they released a Gundam game on it. That always spikes hardware in Japan.
But yes, I do think the JRPG announcements are helping the 360's situation and will continue to help it. Will it ever sell "great" in Japan? I doubt it...but can it make a footprint? I think MS is going in the right direction to do so in Japan.
Lil_Mermaid_Girl
07-04-2008, 22:48
I don't think so at all. I mean the PS2 is still outselling it!
FinalEvangelion
07-05-2008, 02:21
PART of the reason the 360 had a large spike in sales this week was because they released a Gundam game on it. That always spikes hardware in Japan.
But yes, I do think the JRPG announcements are helping the 360's situation and will continue to help it. Will it ever sell "great" in Japan? I doubt it...but can it make a footprint? I think MS is going in the right direction to do so in Japan.
I think MS's goal this generation was just to have some market in Japan and try to get the Japanese consumers to get rid of the bad image the first Xbox set in Japan.
If one of the FF 13 FNC (supposed to be six) titles was exclusive to the 360, which is what MS is trying to do, then we'll probably see more happen with the console there.
Psssstt......
In June 11th to June 17, 2007, the 360 has sales in Japan for that week of over 7500 units. The following week it fell to 3300, then 3100, then 2400 units.
You need to look at so many factors here guys. You need to look at last year trends at this time, what games were released, and how long the spike lasts.
As it stands, the 360 has had spikes and drop offs. The PS3 is doing better, but it also has some spikes and then drop offs. Seems like both systems have a hard time sustaining any kind of serious numbers. You can't look at a sudden spike and assume anything.
MS has done IMO a great job securing J related games, but this spike most likely is no indicator of say Star Ocean announcement or anything. They happened to release a game that sold well that week, and it doubled what are pretty pathetic numbers to begin with. The PS3 has very little to brag about either though.
What's that a 500% growth (give or take)?
I mean it is an increase but not impressive...
Soldier 95B
07-06-2008, 13:51
So much gloom and doom for the 360 here. Sad sad. An increase is an increase. Increase = good. End of story.
So much gloom and doom for the 360 here. Sad sad. An increase is an increase. Increase = good. End of story.
I don't anyone is really saying doom and gloom. Most seem to be taking a more practical view on the matter. The title of the thread is "Xbox 360:coming to life in Japan", most seem be taking the "wait and see" approach I think.
So far in the 360's history in Japan we have seen games give it a sales spike and every time its short lived and the 360 returns to the 1k-2k range. At least thats what I have seen.
Sockpuppet
07-06-2008, 14:35
http://fluxxgames.com/pics/ZombiePair.gif
360 in Japan - making a resurgence.
Galvanise_
07-06-2008, 16:27
So much gloom and doom for the 360 here. Sad sad. An increase is an increase. Increase = good. End of story.
When the sales drop off, I'll be sure to PM you and inform you that there was too much optimism in this thread, that a decrease is a decrease and that decreases equal bad. End of story!:mrgreen:;)
tmacfan4321
07-06-2008, 17:17
There can't be doom or gloom if the sales figures were never all that good.
rykomatsu
07-06-2008, 18:11
my guess is it's probably ramping up for the release of ToV in the coming weeks...it'll probably drop back down 2-3 weeks after release.
I don't know about the rest of you all, but I can't even pretend to care how well the 360 does in Japan.
Soldier 95B
07-06-2008, 20:50
The Xbox 360 has been doing crappy in Japan, and will always trail in Japan. But if the Xbox 360 can have an increase over that past 6-7 weeks, I see that as a good thing.
And yes Agriel, people are painting it as doom. I guess I am a half glass full kinda guy.
sainraja
07-06-2008, 20:59
The Xbox 360 has been doing crappy in Japan, and will always trail in Japan. But if the Xbox 360 can have an increase over that past 6-7 weeks, I see that as a good thing.
And yes Agriel, people are painting it as doom. I guess I am a half glass full kinda guy.
How can you paint something as doom when it's not doing so good to begin with?
Soldier 95B
07-06-2008, 21:05
How can you paint something as doom when it's not doing so good to begin with?
By saying that an increase doesn't mean anything, or that it's not a good thing.
By saying that an increase doesn't mean anything, or that it's not a good thing.
I don't think anyone is saying that an increase in sales is a bad thing, most people are just saying that it don't matter. There is a difference. Really just forget about what everyone is saying. I mean really does it matter? Will it hurt the 360s sales? Will it effect anything at all in reality?
Soldier 95B
07-06-2008, 21:23
I don't think anyone is saying that an increase in sales is a bad thing, most people are just saying that it don't matter. There is a difference. Really just forget about what everyone is saying. I mean really does it matter? Will it hurt the 360s sales? Will it effect anything at all in reality?
You don't think anyone is, and I think people are. Can we agree on that?:-D
hopefully they all have 3 Wiis and DSs in every room so sooner or later both consoles can come to life in japan.
sainraja
07-06-2008, 23:43
You don't think anyone is, and I think people are. Can we agree on that?:-D
Who's calling an increase a decrease? No one is. So he is right.
Soldier 95B
07-07-2008, 00:33
Who's calling an increase a decrease? No one is. So he is right.
You sure are addicted to replying to my posts. Please don't.
LeisureSuitLarry
07-07-2008, 00:43
You sure are addicted to replying to my posts. Please don't.
Dude.....seriously......you're taking this all way too personal. The 360's sales in Japan are an improvement, but it is still at the bottom of the list. Should we all proclaim Microsoft's victory in Japan? Come on.
Soldier 95B
07-07-2008, 00:46
Dude.....seriously......you're taking this all way too personal. The 360's sales in Japan are an improvement, but it is still at the bottom of the list. Should we all proclaim Microsoft's victory in Japan? Come on.
The Xbox 360 has been doing crappy in Japan, and will always trail in Japan.
That is a quote from me above :)
Nothing personal. I just find it ironic that I come back from posting earlier in the day, and like clock work, Sain has gone through my threads and replied to every post of mine he doesn't like. Kinda freaks me out.
Nothing personal for sure. It's the internet. Now go brew me some beer boyyyyyyyyy. :razz:
LeisureSuitLarry
07-07-2008, 00:51
That is a quote from me above :)
Nothing personal. I just find it ironic that I come back from posting earlier in the day, and like clock work, Sain has gone through my threads and replied to every post of mine he doesn't like. Kinda freaks me out.
Nothing personal for sure. It's the internet. Now go brew me some beer boyyyyyyyyy. :razz:
Your beer privileges are suspended indefinitely until you start talking sense....boyyyyyy. :p
Not personal? Cool. Don't blame Sain though. You're the one that put all those hot pictures of Alba in your posts. :D That's enough to turn anyone into a stalker. :D
Soldier 95B
07-07-2008, 00:53
Your beer privileges are suspended indefinitely until you start talking sense....boyyyyyy. :p
Not personal? Cool. Don't blame Sain though. You're the one that put all those hot pictures of Alba in your posts. :D That's enough to turn anyone into a stalker. :D
Believe me, I know. I am fixin' to stalk myself.
As for talking sense...I am married with a child. I have lost all my sense :-D
LeisureSuitLarry
07-07-2008, 00:56
Believe me, I know. I am fixin' to stalk myself.
As for talking sense...I am married with a child. I have lost all my sense :-D
Bud.....we are walking in the same shoes. Beer privileges restored.
Rareware
07-07-2008, 01:09
Nothing personal. I just find it ironic that I come back from posting earlier in the day, and like clock work, Sain has gone through my threads and replied to every post of mine he doesn't like. Kinda freaks me out.
Same thing happened to me. He kept PM'ing me as well. I finally got it to stop though. It freaked me out too. I felt like I was being stalked. :(
tmacfan4321
07-07-2008, 03:15
Same thing happened to me. He kept PM'ing me as well. I finally got it to stop though. It freaked me out too. I felt like I was being stalked. :(
Dude, he replied to the posts after the thread was closed. Not stalking. You keep bringing it up and everyone starts a little battle.
It's not worth it.
Rareware
07-07-2008, 04:38
Dude, he replied to the posts after the thread was closed. Not stalking. You keep bringing it up and everyone starts a little battle.
It's not worth it.
First of all, you only know what he told you, so until you know all of the facts, you might not want to chime in. ;)
Second, I simply told Switch that the same thing happened to me. This also happened to Radargamer, so obviously it's a trend with this guy. If this is a trend, I think Switch needs to know.
webshark
07-07-2008, 05:17
damn guys, count your blessings. no one hardly ever even bothers to reply to my posts :(
sainraja
07-07-2008, 05:53
First of all, you only know what he told you, so until you know all of the facts, you might not want to chime in. ;)
Second, I simply told Switch that the same thing happened to me. This also happened to Radargamer, so obviously it's a trend with this guy. If this is a trend, I think Switch needs to know.
You're welcome to show him the PM's Rareware. Don't try to make it into something else. Topic got locked, you replied....so responded through a PM, that was it. You can lie all you want here, does not change what I said in the PM's. I asked you something and you did not have an answer to it. You used the same BS line you use in every topic of yours..."I don't need to," "won't get into it."
Make of it what you will guys.
EDIT:
Here is what I responded with to Rare which he is obviously still upset about:
All they were asking you to do was provide examples of what Kojima said that you think has been "trashy." As you are putting it, the people discussing Itagaki or dissing him have provided the statements he has said and called him out on it, you're not doing the same. You want people to take your word for it?
I would like to see what you are talking about since I haven't seen Kojima make statements like that.
Instead of providing any sort of proof, you just kept defending yourself.....it would have been easier if you just provided what everyone was asking of you.....It went back and forth (clearly he was responding and it was a total of four PM's that he has been freaking out about that were regarding the topic that was locked) but I guess I must have hit a nerve because the response that eventually got was was a bunch of whining and crying. (I haven't posted his responses by the way.)
To which I responded:
No. I was just expecting a fair response...but I guess it is to much to ask.Sorry. I wouldn't have brought it up and I wasn't the one to bring it up....but since Rare can't stop bringing it I thought I should finally post it to give it a rest.
Anyway....no one was saying the increase was a decrease. It is an increase.....but pointing it out isn't saying it's doom for the 360. You could have pointed out who said otherwise, Switch.
Well.. I live in Japan. And honestly, 360 doesnt even really exist here almost. I mean ya I see it in stores but its usually off in the corner and nobody is looking at it. Its kinda sad.. but really if you lived in Japan and experienced some of the things I have then you'll see why its not so big.
Sockpuppet
07-07-2008, 11:32
What exactly are you referencing here?
Not enough tentacle raping school girl games.
Shin Asura
07-07-2008, 12:31
The 360s issue is that is needs to shake off it's bad taste MS left from the Xbox days with consumers in Japan
You'll know if the 360 has broken ground or not when Infinite Discovery releases, see what the numbers are then
SharkOutofWater
07-07-2008, 13:46
while i agree that this weeks sales alone are in now way indicative of 360 sales at a whole, i do have some interesting stats to dish out here.
last week was marked the highest fraction of total sales the 360 has received since that fateful week in november when AC6 released and it outsold the ps3.
the thing to notice about the 360 right now is that its sales are rising, and are above average, while by-and-large, everything other than the monster hunter portable player are in the gutter. (hell DS sales are 1/3 that of last years)
tho those who have been saying that the 360 has increased the last 6 weeks are wrong unless i recorded the numbers incorrectly, tho it has been steadily rising for the last few months. below is a nice little graph for you to make your own judgement.
http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa27/websharkngw/Japan%20MC%20Charts/NewPicture2.png
Sorry I missed 1 week. It has gone up 6 of the last 7 (4 weeks in a row, took a little dip, and then gone up the last 2 weeks, and the dip wasnt much of a dip), I missed that one week in there. I wasnt sure if it was correct, my post was more of a question as everytime I had seen it, it had gone up.
webshark
07-07-2008, 14:56
Sorry I missed 1 week. It has gone up 6 of the last 7 (4 weeks in a row, took a little dip, and then gone up the last 2 weeks, and the dip wasnt much of a dip), I missed that one week in there. I wasnt sure if it was correct, my post was more of a question as everytime I had seen it, it had gone up.
heh, dont worry, i wasnt trying to call anyone out. my post was actually supporting the 'the 360 is doing better lately' viewpoint