Sakaguchi's Blue Dragon [Archive]

muchuukuri

05-03-2005, 01:03

Well, we've got our first hint as to Sakaguchi's up and coming RPGs.

The game's called Blue Dragon.

Here's a pic.
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4793

As you can tell Toriyama is providing the art source for the game, which means it'll be a hit in Japan. and prolly here... oddly enough... Anyway, looks like maybe Sakaguchi wants to take on Dragon Quest... maybe still bitter about the Squeenix merger :s

The guy in the green tunic is named Jiiro
The girl's called Kurukku
The guy on the bottom is called Shuu

I'd translate what's being said, but I'm lazy and it's kinda small, so it's hard to read...

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 01:08

Blue Dragon is aimed at Dragon Quest?

Fable was aimed at killing Final Fantasy right?

LOL when will people learn!

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 01:15

I never read anywhere someone saying fable was aimed at final fantasy.. for one how are they even similar besides the RPG factor.. Final Fantasy is more then 1 character.. and its in a huge world.. fable is a single player that has paths that determine your outcome.. but i dont see where fable was suppose to compete with FF. Do you have a source?

PS Gamer

05-03-2005, 01:17

just what a thought....it was going to be an Anime game series.....blah I knew this was gonna happen...

siren

05-03-2005, 01:17

Fable was never aimed at Final Fantasy. Fable was aimed to create a whole new type of RPG. One where you had more control over your character and world than ever before.

In many ways it succeeded, in many ways it failed. But it sold quite well (about 1.5 Million copies).

Are you saying that huge series can't die? Mario is not selling anywhere close to what it sold in years past. When did the last Crash Bandicoot game come out, yet it sold millions. How about Tomb Raider? It created a genre of sorts, and now is no where to really be found, at least not on the sales charts. Ever hear of Phantasy Star? Huge RPG series on the genesis. #4 sold like crap. People got tired of them not changing the gameplay.

Rachet and Clank and Jax and Daxter blew away the likes of Mario and Sega from years past. Are you trying to imply that they couldn't win because they weren't previous big names?

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 01:22

Phantasy Star.. that was awesome game on xbox live.. it came with the 2 months free trial to play it and not have to pay.. those were the best 2 months ive spent on live.. you could hop from ship to ship.. upgrading trading weapons finding easter egg items playing with other people it was great.. then it was traded back in cause simply i wasnt going to pay 5 dollars amonth on just 1 game.

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 01:37

Man come on creating a new RPG blah blah, it was aimed at putting a dent in Final Fantasy so MS could say we've got great RPG's too, it's beyond obvious who they were hunting for.

Mario sells very well, man are you kidding dozens of games still come out with Mario on them and sell well, Crash Bandicoot game is on the horizons, Tomb Raider's last game sold millions and theyr refreshing the franchise with a new game, new Phantasy Star soon, Ratchet and Clank and Jak and Daxter while good games haven't put a patch on Mario, they sold on the most popular console on the market but if you expect them to kill Mario you've got to be kidding Mario game's have amassed over 120 million copies sold, a lot of that in the last 5 years.

Chaotic_King

05-03-2005, 01:58

This is going to be interesting. I doubt it's going to do all that well though.

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 02:04

So game developers cant tweak old genres with new ideas UNLESS they are going after a already legend in that genre??? When i look at fable.. i see it no where comparable to FF besides the fact that its a RPG.

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 02:13

MS were gunning for Final Fantasy with Fable, it was supposed to be the Final Fantasy killer and be the competing factor to Sony's Final Fantasy RPG's thats all I'm saying, the reason it failed was beacuse it wsa gunning for the big dog, it wasn't likely Fable would steal much if any attention at all and thats what happened, its the same with MS taking on Sony, they didn't exactly do bad but for everybody that beleived they were going to take them out, they were more than wrong.

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 02:17

Yes but i still dont see how Fable was geared towards FF.. they arent the same game.. if you played fable then played FF youd notice that they are 2 seperate games.. just like if you were to play GT4.. then play a different kind of racer such as PGR2.. they are both racing games but different kind of racing games.. I think you only see that Fable oh thats MS thats geared toward Sony.. thats FF. But i was an early fan of FF games 7-9 and i played fable.. and i can tell you now.. they are completly different.

siren

05-03-2005, 02:18

When was it stated that Fable was going after Final Fantasy? It's not even remotely a JRPG. It isn't even like common PC RPGs?

Also why stop at Fable, if you want to talk about RPGs going after Final Fantasy like that, what about Xenosage. That is more inline with Final Fantasy. Or we could say that BioWare has been going after Square since their inception. But that would make about as much sense as Fable trying to take down Final Fantasy.

Completely different RPGs.

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 02:23

It's the same with comparing the PSP and the DS, Sony and Nintendo insist theyr not competing but come on guys we know better, just because they put a twist on fable doesn't mean its not gunning for other RPG's, when somebody goes out aad buys an RPG they don't think oh this game is a little different to that game they buy which ever catches their eye and thats why Fable was gunning for FF, Fable is the big RPG on Xbox FF is the big RPG on PS2, if an RPG fan wants to buy a console and he chooses between PS2 and Xbox hes going to compare Fable and FF before buying, most guys buy PC's over PS2 or vice versa even though they have different types of RPG's, the small differences don't matter to your average consumer they were trying to steal customers from FF and PS2 with Fable, its obvious.

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 02:25

mmm the reason they HAVE to compare ms/fable with sony/ff is because really thats all ms has to offer for good RPGs.. and ill say it now.. if you havent played fable urself mak.. fable and ff are 2 compeltly different stylez.

siren

05-03-2005, 02:25

If you want to go along those lines, then I would use Knights of the Old Republic more. It is a lot closer to JRPGs and also was significantly more advertised and sold significantly better.

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 02:30

What I am trying to say is MS wanted RPG's to compete with PS2, now if a consumer goes into a store and see's a PS2 and an Xbox he's going to explore the range of RPG's and he's not going to look at specifics, he's going to choose either the big RPG Fable on Xbox or the big RPG Final Fantasy on PS2, MS wanted Fable to be a big success so it could bring some RPG light to the Xbox, wouldn't take take customers from FF and the PS2?

siren

05-03-2005, 02:32

Yes, but does that mean that MS targetted Final Fantasy gamers with Fable? No.

MS targetted people who didn't like the Final Fantasy style of gameplay. Players who wanted to actually feel like that affected the world and weren't just walking through a pre-scripted movie.

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 02:36

Fable seemed kinda weird for me.. just wasnt really into the lets walk around to every person and find clues or w/e.. just like morrowind.. never liked that either.. but final fantasy and phantasy star were really the only 2 rpgs i liked..

You said it right in your post... MS wanted Fable to be a big success so it could bring some RPG light to the Xbox. NOT to take on FF..

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 02:39

But it would take on FF directly, when people talk about RPG's on PS2 they talk about PS2, if somebody goes out and buys a console theyr either going to go with FF on PS2 or Fable on Xbox, if they go with Fable on Xbox Fable has stolen a potential FF customer AKA it is in competition with FF, now Fable has to make itself more appealing than FF so people buy XBox's instead of PS2's, what exactly do you guys think competition means?

Sure its a different type of RPG but it was made to counteract PS2's dominant RPG and that is FF.

bustabusta196

05-03-2005, 02:54

So every single FPS sony makes its to trounce Halo??? Is that why people buy xbox's for Halo?

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 02:56

Halo was MASSIVE shifter of Xbox consoles, if somebody wanted an FPS they'd see the Xbox and PS2 and buy the Xbox, Sony's counter was Killzone, its the same with the Fable-FF thing.

muchuukuri

05-03-2005, 03:18

Let's put it this way... the FF series is arguably the King of RPGs (I'd say DQ, but we'll think world wide). When Fable was being made they said it would redefine the genre, that it would bring us to this new ethereal level and it would be the marker for what RPGs are to be... in other words... dethrown the King... and whos the King? FF. Done. It's not that M$ tried to put a gun to SE's head, it's that they were trying to take the thrown of RPGs and you HAVE TO go through the King. Thus they were in competition... I don't see how no one else sees this? When Fable was in production ALL I heard was how it's gonna FF's butt and so on... everyone who cared about Fable seemed to argue this.

Besides look at the way companies do stuff, they make games to kick out the competition... Jak was made fight Mario, Forza was made to fight GT, Kilzone was made to fight Halo, and Fable was made to fight FF.

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 03:31

The reason a company says redefine something is because they can't win the present market so they want to make their own market, MS tried to take on PS2 directly and failed, now with the Xbox 360 theyr saying they want to create a new market for older people and mothers and god knows what, when you can't steal a market you try to make your own but then you end up with competing markets.

muchuukuri

05-03-2005, 04:24

?? Isn't it the other way around? M$ was originally aiming at the oldr and hardcore market... now they're aiming for more of the teen market and family market. Or am I somehow saying the same thing???

Anyway, I don't think that's the case... when someone says redefine... I think they really do think they got something amazing... whether it is... meh... but I don't necessarily think they're trying to, you know, run away from the competition... I just think they're trying to say they have a good idea. Though this may be an issue of semanitcs... I think.

Fedos

05-03-2005, 04:27

Finally some much needed info on one of Mistwalker's games. I'm wondering though, is this Blue Dragon game the Mistwalker game that Sakaguchi described as realistic or cartoony?

Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 04:31

Only god knows what Bill Gates meant, I was shocked when he said he wanted old people and mothers to play games, I don't know what theyr doing but it should be an interesting next-gen.

muchuukuri

05-03-2005, 04:41

Gates just want them to buy M$ products... does he seriously even know a licks worth about gaming? Alard and they other's prolly understand quite well the gaming industry, but Gates is just spewwing his usual "buy more" stuff. I really don't think he understand the industry... it's really not his field, you know.

Fedos... did Sakaguchi ever say he was gonna do a realisitc game?? I thought he just said he wanted to grasp people's (shoot... I alway forget possesive for people) emotions. Not realism.

siren

05-03-2005, 05:39

Your right about Gate, he really doesn't understand the Gaming market himself as fars as I know. At least not compared to the people they have in charge of it like J. <br />
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Makaveli_786

05-03-2005, 07:01

I think that would have been a good idea you know, maybe a little more powerful but it would be like a smaller PC which could playback PC games and you could browse the web too and do a few other things, it was a new edge on the market back then would have been something new I think.

siren

05-03-2005, 07:58

THe biggest issue with the design was that the actual Win98 would have been running in the background for the most part. This would have interfered with getting the most out of the system and opened it up to security risks among other problems associated with PC's.

The plan also called for OEMS to produce the boxes and compete against each other on design and specs for things like the HDD. But everything else would have been standardized.

Not a bad idea overall, but not exactly interesting to the market at large.

Thegamingdwarf

05-03-2005, 20:56

MS were gunning for Final Fantasy with Fable, it was supposed to be the Final Fantasy killer and be the competing factor to Sony's Final Fantasy RPG's thats all I'm saying, the reason it failed was beacuse it wsa gunning for the big dog,

Can i just clarify, from what i heard at E3 2003 microsoft stated that they wanted to create Final Fantasy real time instaed of all the menus. In E3 2004 the critics at this point said that M$ had done this in the form of Sudeki (please be aware, this was before the release when things looked good for sudeki) and as far as i know, fable had nothing to do with competeing with FF.

As for the actual game we are meant to be talking about, it looks way to obviouse that M$ want to get a bit of the japanese market, it is anime it has dragons and it is a traditional turn based RPG, just what the japanese people ordered. But i dont know whther they are going to be put off it by its western influence and the way its being sort of forced on to them by M$ just to gain market, not to please but to sell.

THe biggest issue with the design was that the actual Win98 would have been running in the background for the most part.

Wouldnt this have also alowed viruses to be created and sent? Since we dont have an operating system capable of that we can enjoy secure internet connections and safe gaming without the complications.

JDawg5000

01-12-2007, 11:01

You might remember a few days ago our report about Konami cutting more of their PS3 titles. Well this rumor has now been crushed as the Japanese magazine Famitsu admitted it had a printing error.

Gradius, a new title planned for the PS3, and Powerful Pro Baseball, a title set to be released exclusively in Japan are the two titles which where allegedly reported to have been canceled by Konami.

This does come as a relief, news for Sony seems to be picking up lately and there’s been a lot of good news for the system, lets hope it continues.