OK - So, alot of Features announced... [Archive]

andywhitto

07-15-2008, 16:04

But what about games ? I mean what new upcoming games did MS reveal ? The only games they showed were multi-plat except for like Fable2 + Gears2 (already announced). There are alot of new features on their way soon and was great to hear, but the 360 is primarily a games machine and to be honest MS was dissapointing in that most of the conference news was for the casual audience, the only new game details that were announced was FF XIII.

This is an argument that Sony was getting much stick for last year, in that it was a Games platform not multi-media, yet MS is now the company that is focussing more on multi-media and has proven that with the lackluster of newley announced IPs and new focuss on TV show and Movie downloads.

This is now where Sony can gain ground. They have a very large lineup of first and second party titles, along with several unnanounced titles (of which some may be revealed in the conference).

So do you think MS is loosing perspective and is chasing the casual gaming audience or do you think that their line-up shown in the conference is sufficient and are pleased with what they showed us?

Mr.360

07-15-2008, 16:11

I agree with you on the fact that MS should have talked about more games. However i think it was a good move for MS to talk more in perspective to multi-media. i mean when you look at the PS3 one of the things that makes it great is that it's a multi-media device that can be used for a lot more then just gaming. I think if the 360 can get to that level as well it will make the system much more enjoyable to the public.

Redman_DK

07-15-2008, 16:12

I'd rather have them not show anything instead of showing games that wont be out before 2012.

And I don't think E3 is over yet.

overthirtygamernj

07-15-2008, 16:16

Full Release Games (Some of these maybe timed exclusives)
Fable 2
Gears 2
Banjo Kazooie
Lips (Kareokie Game)
Scene It 2
Too Human
Halo Wars
You’re in the Movies
Viva Piñata: Trouble in Paradise
Infinite Undiscovery” (Square Enix)
The Last Remnant” (Square Enix)

XBLA
1 vs 100
UNO RUSH
Galaga Legions
Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved 2
Portal: Still Alive (a sequel to Portal from the Big Orange Box)

andywhitto

07-15-2008, 16:26

yes there is a great line-up of exclusive/timed exclusive games, but my point is that there were no new IP's announced, no new games that we do not know about that are in development, after these games have been released this year we have nothing to look forward to next year.

Also E3 isn't over yet and they could announce something at the end of it to finish off so we could still see more from them, but it can be a bad strategy not to show what is to come in the future to their gaming platform.

overthirtygamernj

07-15-2008, 16:33

andywhitto

07-15-2008, 16:40

Their focus at E3 the last couple of years seems to be the holiday season of that upcoming year. If you want to see a list of possibly exclusives for 2009 and beyond go here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games

Sort the column NA and it will go by date. There are numerous console and other exclusives, most of which I've never heard of. I'd rather get solid details on upcoming games than the speculative nonsense that used to be given at prior E3's---only to be disappointed with tons of delays and poor final products.

lol bit of a hint ?

an yes your right, i like to know what is coming out firmly this year with no delays, but i also like to be shown new stuff that is currently in development that is atleast on it's way and to look forward to.

Why not have both ? - reveal games on their way in a year or so and reveal games that are going to launch before the end of this year ?

SCAR777

07-15-2008, 16:48

I already have a stack of games that i haven't finished yet and with sc4 gow2 halo wars fallout 3 sw force unleashed and many more kickass games coming out thru march 09 I can't afford any more ,nor do i have the time to play any more because learning to shred on my guitar is more important .

Stickboy46

07-15-2008, 17:07

xSoFine69o

07-15-2008, 17:09

Plus wait for the Bungie announcement tomorrow morning...I have a feeling that it might end lives ;)

Nuvian

07-15-2008, 18:50

Moving this to the E3 section.

Mr.360

07-15-2008, 18:51

All i know is that all the companies are coming out with some intersting games. i sure when the week is up we are all going to be impressed somehow.

07-15-2008, 19:22

We will worry about next year when it get here. The last time MS show future games they weren't ready and they got pwn for ie: Too Human. Next year money isn't here yet, I got now money though.

Icedemon

07-16-2008, 15:18

I think it was last E3 they announced alot of games only to have those games get delayed by the developer. I think they just playing it safe. I'm more excited about this new dashboard right now. I got enough games on my plate. But when they do drop I hope to God they be far away from each other in terms of release dates. My wallet can't take no more of these games coming basically a day after each other. This is bringing me back to the days when No Limit Records use to drop a album which seemed like weekly. Were they good albums? Probably not but then still did it.

ryumo

07-16-2008, 16:58

Microsoft doesnt show off games until they know they can deliver at least around the date they say at the show. If they are uncertain they dont show it. They arent like Sony that shows something, then delays it 19 times and it comes out 5 years later.Pretty much... I don't mind them not showing me CGI of games that I won't get to play until years from today. Show me what I'll be able to walk into a store and buy in a matter of months.

Absence of evidence /= evidence of absence

Think about it.

A7MAD

07-16-2008, 19:58

I'm sick of developers announcing games that aren't going to be out for yeaaaaars (I'm looking at you Killzone 2).

If it was up to me, we'd only know of a game 6-12 months before it's worldwide release.

I totally agree with you 100%

Not only am I also looking at KZ2 but I'll be looking at MAG for some time also...

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 15:19

I's have to disagree. I like the fact that companies outline and know which games they have available in development for the forcasted year of 2009 and beyond.

Killzone 2 and God of War 3 are 2009/2010 titles however, it is good to know that you have something to look foward to instead of waiting for an announcement as such. It gives customers more reasoning to keep their console

mickice

07-18-2008, 15:30

I totally agree with you 100%

Not only am I also looking at KZ2 but I'll be looking at MAG for some time also...

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.

Naxi

07-18-2008, 16:04

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.So there'd be bigger list wars and that's what they pretty much become, a name in a list.I absolutely loose interest thanks to that.

InTheGame

07-18-2008, 16:40

Uhm...

I will have to agree. It's better to have a full reveal of games with release dates rather than a bunch of CGI trailers of games "taunted" for next year, then being pushed over and over again.

A7MAD

07-18-2008, 16:50

But you have to admit it's a good idea, it make SONY look as if they have 2x as many games.

Well I think it's a double edged sword honestly, announcing games today that will release in 3 to 4 years does not leave much love in some people's hearts for Sony. You hear a lot of angry gamers waiting on many of those AAA titles, maybe just not in this forum though (doesn't mean people are not upset or "switching sides").

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 17:54

Well I think it's a double edged sword honestly, announcing games today that will release in 3 to 4 years does not leave much love in some people's hearts for Sony. You hear a lot of angry gamers waiting on many of those AAA titles, maybe just not in this forum though (doesn't mean people are not upset or "switching sides").

Maybe so, but when they do release they'll be so good that sales will go through the roof. It's already started with MGS4.

Microsoft has to reassure gamers that they have titles in the making which they haven't done.

Naxi

07-18-2008, 18:46

Maybe so, but when they do release they'll be so good that sales will go through the roof. It's already started with MGS4. That's not because they were shown many years earlier.

Microsoft has to reassure gamers that they have titles in the making which they haven't done.No they don't, they've focused on 08 and it's not even over yet.I don't want to focus on far away titles.

Blu-Ray

07-18-2008, 18:53

I disagree. I think that the Xbox360 needed more features.

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 19:06

That's not because they were shown many years earlier.
No they don't, they've focused on 08 and it's not even over yet.I don't want to focus on far away titles.

Well maybe not, but it does give gamers a sense of reassurance thet their console is going to stay for the long run.

skulpt

07-18-2008, 19:10

I totally agree with you 100%

Not only am I also looking at KZ2 but I'll be looking at MAG for some time also...

LOL. What about Too Human going on 10 years? People also forget that Alan Wake was introduced the same time as Killzone 2 footage at E3 05 and had the hell hyped out of it with tech demos..... Not sure if that game will even release in 09.

Seems like Sony games get more noticed as being delayed, but there are just as many games on the 360 doing the same thing. Heck. I remember Bill Gates saying Halo 3 would probably launch on the PS3 launch, and that was before the PS3 launch was delayed! LOL

I agree 100% though as well. And please MS and Sony. It's obvious that you're forcing devs to release media way too early, and it puts the devs out of sync, and also raises or lowers expectations way too high. They've done this with Motorstorm twice now. Released killer CGI trailer, then release real footage way too early and it looks average at best, and then it starts looking awesome again when the devs have had enough time to work on it (usually 2-5 months before it gets released.

Everyone would be much better off if developers released media just months before a game is released, and ONLY when it's showing what we can really expect.

Stickboy46

07-18-2008, 19:19

LOL. What about Too Human going on 10 years? People also forget that Alan Wake was introduced the same time as Killzone 2 footage at E3 05 and had the hell hyped out of it with tech demos..... Not sure if that game will even release in 09.

Seems like Sony games get more noticed as being delayed, but there are just as many games on the 360 doing the same thing. Heck. I remember Bill Gates saying Halo 3 would probably launch on the PS3 launch, and that was before the PS3 launch was delayed! LOL

I agree 100% though as well. And please MS and Sony. It's obvious that you're forcing devs to release media way too early, and it puts the devs out of sync, and also raises or lowers expectations way too high. They've done this with Motorstorm twice now. Released killer CGI trailer, then release real footage way too early and it looks average at best, and then it starts looking awesome again when the devs have had enough time to work on it (usually 2-5 months before it gets released.

Everyone would be much better off if developers released media just months before a game is released, and ONLY when it's showing what we can really expect.

Yes both have done it but with Microsoft delaying games is the exception rather than the rule.

Sony on the other hand, it seems like every game has to be delayed at least once. They have a bad habit of showing CGI YEARS before its going to be coming to the public. So people get their hopes up and then have to wait. Consumers HATE waiting. They want it here and now.

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 19:19

LOL. What about Too Human going on 10 years? People also forget that Alan Wake was introduced the same time as Killzone 2 footage at E3 05 and had the hell hyped out of it with tech demos..... Not sure if that game will even release in 09.

Seems like Sony games get more noticed as being delayed, but there are just as many games on the 360 doing the same thing. Heck. I remember Bill Gates saying Halo 3 would probably launch on the PS3 launch, and that was before the PS3 launch was delayed! LOL

I agree 100% though as well. And please MS and Sony. It's obvious that you're forcing devs to release media way too early, and it puts the devs out of sync, and also raises or lowers expectations way too high. They've done this with Motorstorm twice now. Released killer CGI trailer, then release real footage way too early and it looks average at best, and then it starts looking awesome again when the devs have had enough time to work on it (usually 2-5 months before it gets released.

Everyone would be much better off if developers released media just months before a game is released, and ONLY when it's showing what we can really expect.

While I agree with that, you also have to take into consideration for the fact that if developers don't announce games early enough then gamers will feel a bit distant to the sense that developers are lazy and aren't doing anything.

A7MAD

07-18-2008, 20:30

LOL. What about Too Human going on 10 years? People also forget that Alan Wake was introduced the same time as Killzone 2 footage at E3 05 and had the hell hyped out of it with tech demos..... Not sure if that game will even release in 09.

LOL. Too Human was originally planed on the PS console, that didn't go so well did it? It's not an attribute that you can hang on MS for this happening, but note Too Human found a release date with the X360, unlike any other console... Yeah aha even with Silicon Knights having the engine issue with Epic!

Alan Wake never given a release date, KZ2 given release dates, not met, moved to a later date.... Not the same thing skulpt.

They've done this with Motorstorm twice now. Released killer CGI trailer, then release real footage way too early and it looks average at best, and then it starts looking awesome again when the devs have had enough time to work on it (usually 2-5 months before it gets released.

Yeah, so you see how that upsets some gamers, some hold on and wait that 2-5 months. Some "switch sides" or buy the other console whilst they wait because MS have managed not to delay titles as if it was fashion.

Everyone would be much better off if developers released media just months before a game is released, and ONLY when it's showing what we can really expect.

In a perfect world perhaps, Sony @ this E3 did not do that though so I do not know when they will man.

Maybe so, but when they do release they'll be so good that sales will go through the roof. It's already started with MGS4.

MGS4 is an exclusive title that many gamers have come to love, they'd have waited 5 years for it, others never purchased a PS3 until MGS4 was released. Some have no other titles besides MGS4!

Microsoft has to reassure gamers that they have titles in the making which they haven't done.

I am not exactly sure how you figured this outcome, it doesn't make sense as MS tend to be more focused on titles that will be released sooner rather than later, there are those titles such as Alan Wake though, however most titles are not future prospects set at least 2 years in the future.

There are delays on both however Sony is famous for delays (not just with games) because they're shown too early & because there's a high percentage probably to do with the hard to dev for hardware (as it's affecting Sony's in house devs also).

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 20:41

LOL. Too Human was originally planed on the PS console, that didn't go so well did it? It's not an attribute that you can hang on MS for this happening, but note Too Human found a release date with the X360, unlike any other console... Yeah aha even with Silicon Knights having the engine issue with Epic!

Alan Wake never given a release date, KZ2 given release dates, not met, moved to a later date.... Not the same thing skulpt.

Yeah, so you see how that upsets some gamers, some hold on and wait that 2-5 months. Some "switch sides" or buy the other console whilst they wait because MS have managed not to delay titles as if it was fashion.

In a perfect world perhaps, Sony @ this E3 did not do that though so I do not know when they will man.

MGS4 is an exclusive title that many gamers have come to love, they'd have waited 5 years for it, others never purchased a PS3 until MGS4 was released. Some have no other titles besides MGS4!

I am not exactly sure how you figured this outcome, it doesn't make sense as MS tend to be more focused on titles that will be released sooner rather than later, there are those titles such as Alan Wake though, however most titles are not future prospects set at least 2 years in the future.

There are delays on both however Sony is famous for delays (not just with games) because they're shown too early.

Well yeah they show what's being released now as of this year. However they just show titles released on PS3 and PC. Don't people want to know what exclusives they have this year.

Anything apart from Gears 2 and Fable 2.

For those who have no other titles besides MGS4, that's their problem not in a rude way but in a realistic way. I would never ever spend £300 on a console for one game then never play it again.

A7MAD

07-18-2008, 21:09

Well yeah they show what's being released now as of this year. However they just show titles released on PS3 and PC. Don't people want to know what exclusives they have this year.

Anything apart from Gears 2 and Fable 2.

I guess you don't really watch anything that MS are doing then really do you? I mean mentioning two titles and trying to pass that as the only exclusives is as silly as me mentioning LBP and Resistance 2, but I wouldn't do that because I know there's more...

For those who have no other titles besides MGS4, that's their problem not in a rude way but in a realistic way. I would never ever spend £300 on a console for one game then never play it again.

Some are multi-console owners, they have a PS3 for Blu-ray playback and MGS4 (and other exclusives when they are released).

You nor I represent the gaming world sadly and I purchased my PS3 originally for KZ2, MGS4 and Blu-ray playback. 2 out of 3 ain't bad but I wait...

I'm really eager for the big hitting PS3 exclusives!

Cruel_Assassin

07-18-2008, 21:32

I guess you don't really watch anything that MS are doing then really do you? I mean mentioning two titles and trying to pass that as the only exclusives is as silly as me mentioning LBP and Resistance 2, but I wouldn't do that because I know there's more...

Some are multi-console owners, they have a PS3 for Blu-ray playback and MGS4 (and other exclusives when they are released).

You nor I represent the gaming world sadly and I purchased my PS3 originally for KZ2, MGS4 and Blu-ray playback. 2 out of 3 ain't bad but I wait...

I'm really eager for the big hitting PS3 exclusives!

The only stuff I watch on Microsoft's behalf is their Press Conferences. I mean I'm just mentioning the titles that are worth getting. Which are Gears 2 and Fable 2, and wern't they the only exclusives shown at E3?

A7MAD

07-18-2008, 21:39

The only stuff I watch on Microsoft's behalf is their Press Conferences. I mean I'm just mentioning the titles that are worth getting. Which are Gears 2 and Fable 2, and wern't they the only exclusives shown at E3?

No they weren't their only exclusives...

GTA4 Ep 1.
Banjo Kazooie 3
Infinite Undiscovery
Fallout 3 w/ Exclusive DLC (X360/PC only)
The Last Remnant
Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Left 4 Dead

They're some I can recall from the top of my head...

MATRIX 2

07-18-2008, 22:43

X08 Just wait for it, MS will reveal info about future games. Should take place sometime in October/November

Cruel_Assassin

07-19-2008, 13:30

Sockpuppet

07-19-2008, 14:30

Out of all those ones you just mentioned, which ones would you consider to be must have titles. I can only see Gears of War as a must have for 2008.

Why enter the argument if you've already turned the blinkers on?

Stickboy46

07-19-2008, 22:04

Out of all those ones you just mentioned, which ones would you consider to be must have titles. I can only see Gears of War as a must have for 2008.

ooooo i can play this game too. Resistance 2 is ONLY must have game for PS3 left this year. See i did it too. Doesnt mean its true, but i can say that too.

Rareware

07-20-2008, 12:12

tmacfan4321

07-20-2008, 15:06

Out of all those ones you just mentioned, which ones would you consider to be must have titles. I can only see Gears of War as a must have for 2008.
For me, all of them with the exception of the JRPG's (may give them a try), and the GTA IV DLC.

A7MAD

07-20-2008, 15:30

No they weren't their only exclusives...

GTA4 Ep 1.
Banjo Kazooie 3
Infinite Undiscovery
Fallout 3 w/ Exclusive DLC (X360/PC only)
The Last Remnant
Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Left 4 Dead

They're some I can recall from the top of my head...

Out of all those ones you just mentioned, which ones would you consider to be must have titles. I can only see Gears of War as a must have for 2008.

Actually I mentioned all the ones I wanted. :)

I don't like Resistance 2 and think it's not worthy buying for me as it hasn't done enough for me yet.

See how my opinion challenges yours (as yours does mine) but I don't say the PS3 only has KZ2 and LBP on offer? That's silly/ignorance.

Anyway you fit best the criteria I'm explaining to others in another thread like a glove.

I'm glad you're hyped for the PS3 titles, I mean so am I but I don't hate on the Wii or X360 because they are "teh evilz". My loyalty is to me buddy. ;)

Rareware

07-20-2008, 15:37

Why enter the argument if you've already turned the blinkers on?

+rep for that statement. Why come here if you don't like the 360 and have no interest in the game on it?

A7MAD

07-20-2008, 15:44

+rep for that statement. Why come here if you don't like the 360 and have no interest in the game on it?

Members in general have the right to object imo, this member is one who was given infraction after infraction a numerous amount of times in one day and then perma-banned because he was always going on about the demise of the X360 and showing everyone his traits.

Back to what I was saying though, one of the biggest arguments about why members do not want a X360 section in these forums is because members feel alienated from coming here. Do make note some members prefer the Triple but are here because E3 has interested them, the features and price and services have them considering the console. You'll have your horse blinder members also (and I'm not very sympathetic for CA) but give them the benefit of the doubt, I say.

Rareware

07-20-2008, 15:50

Members in general have the right to object imo, this member is one who was given infraction after infraction a numerous amount of times in one day and then perma-banned because he was always going on about the demise of the X360 and showing everyone his traits.

Back to what I was saying though, one of the biggest arguments about why members do not want a X360 section in these forums is because members feel alienated from coming here. Do make note some members prefer the Triple but are here because E3 has interested them, the features and price and services have them considering the console. You'll have your horse blinder members also (and I'm not very sympathetic for CA) but give them the benefit of the doubt, I say.

Sure they do, but look at his post history. He only posts in the 360 side when he has something negative to say. At least I have the brains to not trash the PS3 here, especially on the PS3 side.

sainraja

07-20-2008, 15:58

A7MAD - What was the release date for Killzone 2 originally? And when did they announce it?

Microsoft has done the same, I am not going to go by your excuse, Too Human took a while to release AFTER it was announced for the 360 so it doesn't matter if it was being developed for the PS1 or not. Alan Wake was announced even before the 360 was out. I posted on a forum where a guy there talked about this game and said he was designing the site for it! It was multi-platform at that time if I remember correctly. This was before 2005!

Sony did announce games coming out this year in their conference and at the same time they mentioned games coming out in the future. I see nothing wrong with it. They announced enough games for this year so I disagree and I think Sony did not do what you seem to be suggesting that they did this year.

skulpt

07-20-2008, 17:15

But your original problem was just this, which I agreed on:

announcing games today that will release in 3 to 4 years does not leave much love in some people's hearts for Sony.

Let's talk about games that have been delayed on the 360 side of things:

Halo 3
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/23/halo-3-delayed-until-2007-to-launch-alongside-movie/

Forza 2:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/07/forza-2-delayed-release-date-in-limbo/

Alan Wake
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/14/alan-wake-delayed-until-2009/1

Huxley on 360
http://xbox360.qj.net/Huxley-360-release-delayed-PC-version-still-on-track-gameplay-video/pg/49/aid/115176

Splinter Cell
http://www.destructoid.com/splinter-cell-conviction-delayed-until-2008-36277.phtml

And the issue being different? WAITING is waiting dude. I can't believe you broke it down like that. You KNOW they were expecting Alan Wake and Splinter Cell to be further along than this and that people expect a game to come out sooner than this.

People are trying so hard to prove points and missing the essence of the actual issue. Why do I care if a game is shown early and it comes out say 3-4 years later? Is it because I worked really hard to save $60 for exactly when that release date comes? LOL. No, it's because I've seen something that I like, and I have to wait. THAT is the issue here, and I see a lot of games on both sides going through this. Same thing on the PC side with Spore.

But to act like Sony is almost screwing people over and MS has their hands clean? I just don't get it. If you want to talk bigger delays, just look at Windows. (Since you brought up hardware as well)

The issue at least for me is that I have to wait for games. And Alan Wake is going on 4 years by now, longer than any PS3 game I can think of. And Halo 3, the flagship title was delayed by quite a bit as well.

I just don't get why people stand up for issues that have little effect on the gamer. (MS has a higher attachment rate, PS3 is selling more in 08, MS is profitable now, MS makes us wait, but at least they don't mention times when it will be released....

All I care about is if I will wait or not. To break it down further is silly. And as it stands, Alan Wake of E3 05 still has us waiting to the point of not even knowing what the game will play like, what the enemy looks like, or even how you interact with anything. Same thing with Splinter Cell, and Huxley looks to be a fair way off as well.

Heck, we might even see MAG come out before any of those games. Yes. The one you picked on for some reason.

Alan Wake never given a release date, KZ2 given release dates, not met, moved to a later date.... Not the same thing skulpt.

Yeah, so you see how that upsets some gamers, some hold on and wait that 2-5 months. Some "switch sides" or buy the other console whilst they wait because MS have managed not to delay titles as if it was fashion.

.

tmacfan4321

07-20-2008, 17:53

Let's talk about games that have been delayed on the 360 side of things:

Halo 3
http://www.joystiq.com/2005/08/23/halo-3-delayed-until-2007-to-launch-alongside-movie/Anyone who thought that Halo 3 was going to be released 2 years after Halo 2 has flawed logic. How would Bungie pull off going to a new platform and creating a new game in a year less than it took to put together Halo 2?

Forza 2:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/07/forza-2-delayed-release-date-in-limbo/
It wasn't even given a solid date, it was "Holiday 2006". It was released six months later than the date of that posting, a far cry from some of the delays in the PS3's history.

Alan Wake
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/14/alan-wake-delayed-until-2009/1
Again, this game was never given a solid date. I have never seen a real timeframe for Alan Wake.

Huxley on 360
http://xbox360.qj.net/Huxley-360-release-delayed-PC-version-still-on-track-gameplay-video/pg/49/aid/115176
I haven't heard about this game at all. I don't think anyone is too disappointed that Huxley has been delayed.

Splinter Cell
http://www.destructoid.com/splinter-cell-conviction-delayed-until-2008-36277.phtml
I am not sure that Microsoft has a hand in Ubisoft having a change of heart. They wanted to take the game in an entirely different direction.

And the issue being different? WAITING is waiting dude. I can't believe you broke it down like that. You KNOW they were expecting Alan Wake and Splinter Cell to be further along than this and that people expect a game to come out sooner than this.We were, but we also had the feeling that Alan Wake was going to be delayed once again. No one has expected that game to have been released, even by now. Splinter Cell was just a creative decision, no one could have stopped that from happening.

People are trying so hard to prove points and missing the essence of the actual issue. Why do I care if a game is shown early and it comes out say 3-4 years later? Is it because I worked really hard to save $60 for exactly when that release date comes? LOL. No, it's because I've seen something that I like, and I have to wait. THAT is the issue here, and I see a lot of games on both sides going through this. Same thing on the PC side with Spore. Yes, but most people are fine with waiting until that first release date, even if it is far off. Once you start delaying it, people start to become pissy about it. That is where you lose people.

But to act like Sony is almost screwing people over and MS has their hands clean? I just don't get it. If you want to talk bigger delays, just look at Windows. (Since you brought up hardware as well)
Sony isn't screwing people over by any means. It just feels like crap when the game that has been hyped to **** has been delayed again. I have seen that happen to Sony numerous times this generation.

The issue at least for me is that I have to wait for games. And Alan Wake is going on 4 years by now, longer than any PS3 game I can think of. And Halo 3, the flagship title was delayed by quite a bit as well.
Again, Halo 3 was never going to be released in 2006. I don't think that anyone with half of a brain would think that. Alan Wake has been delayed continuously, which sucks, but they still haven't tagged a date.

I just don't get why people stand up for issues that have little effect on the gamer. (MS has a higher attachment rate, PS3 is selling more in 08, MS is profitable now, MS makes us wait, but at least they don't mention times when it will be released....
Exactly, but I actually do care if a game is tagged with a date or not. If Gears 2 were delayed tomorrow, I would be pissed as ****. If Skate 2 was delayed, I couldn't care less, they hadn't tagged a date yet (I think). An actual date is almost like a promise, when broken, you lose some faith/trust in a company or studio. A general season is not nearly as bad, it shows that they are still not sure about it. It is basically saying "it'll probably be there, but be prepared for a delay if it does happen."

All I care about is if I will wait or not. To break it down further is silly. And as it stands, Alan Wake of E3 05 still has us waiting to the point of not even knowing what the game will play like, what the enemy looks like, or even how you interact with anything. Same thing with Splinter Cell, and Huxley looks to be a fair way off as well. Those aren't key franchises though. If Microsoft had delayed Halo 3 numerous times, after tagging a date and all, people wouldn't be happy. If Gears 1 was delayed until 2007 after tagging a date, people would be pissed.

Heck, we might even see MAG come out before any of those games. Yes. The one you picked on for some reason.
That is because MAG could full well be crap. When you have that many players in one battle, you lose cohesion. I think that happened with Frontlines: Fuel of War, on a much smaller scale.

Rareware

07-20-2008, 18:02

That is because MAG could full well be crap. When you have that many players in one battle, you lose cohesion. I think that happened with Frontlines: Fuel of War, on a much smaller scale.

I'm glad you said that. When you get too many people in an action game, it simply falls apart. Frontlines and Battlefield are great examples of this. You have a bunch of individual squads doing their own thing, not caring about the bigger picture. All they want to do is level up and get better weapons.

I hated Battlefield 2 with 24 player support and don't enjoy Frontlines or Battlefield:BC because of the large scale battles. It just doesn't work and is more of a marketing ploy than anything else.

Pez_555

07-20-2008, 18:07

who cares just enjoy the games!

sainraja

07-20-2008, 19:09

Anyone who thought that Halo 3 was going to be released 2 years after Halo 2 has flawed logic. How would Bungie pull off going to a new platform and creating a new game in a year less than it took to put together Halo 2?
It wasn't even given a solid date, it was "Holiday 2006". It was released six months later than the date of that posting, a far cry from some of the delays in the PS3's history.
Again, this game was never given a solid date. I have never seen a real timeframe for Alan Wake.
I haven't heard about this game at all. I don't think anyone is too disappointed that Huxley has been delayed.
I am not sure that Microsoft has a hand in Ubisoft having a change of heart. They wanted to take the game in an entirely different direction.
We were, but we also had the feeling that Alan Wake was going to be delayed once again. No one has expected that game to have been released, even by now. Splinter Cell was just a creative decision, no one could have stopped that from happening.
Yes, but most people are fine with waiting until that first release date, even if it is far off. Once you start delaying it, people start to become pissy about it. That is where you lose people.
Sony isn't screwing people over by any means. It just feels like crap when the game that has been hyped to **** has been delayed again. I have seen that happen to Sony numerous times this generation.
Again, Halo 3 was never going to be released in 2006. I don't think that anyone with half of a brain would think that. Alan Wake has been delayed continuously, which sucks, but they still haven't tagged a date.
Exactly, but I actually do care if a game is tagged with a date or not. If Gears 2 were delayed tomorrow, I would be pissed as ****. If Skate 2 was delayed, I couldn't care less, they hadn't tagged a date yet (I think). An actual date is almost like a promise, when broken, you lose some faith/trust in a company or studio. A general season is not nearly as bad, it shows that they are still not sure about it. It is basically saying "it'll probably be there, but be prepared for a delay if it does happen."
Those aren't key franchises though. If Microsoft had delayed Halo 3 numerous times, after tagging a date and all, people wouldn't be happy. If Gears 1 was delayed until 2007 after tagging a date, people would be pissed.

That is because MAG could full well be crap. When you have that many players in one battle, you lose cohesion. I think that happened with Frontlines: Fuel of War, on a much smaller scale.

tmacfan - if Holiday 2006 isn't a solid date, how can anyone of you say that Killzone had one? I personally don't remember Killzone 2 getting a date by Sony. A7MAD seems to think so....

And you are already calling MAG crap? I am not sure what kind of statement that is but I'll hold off on saying anything.

MAG could work, they are designing it knowing full well what they are getting themselves into. If you break teams down into different squads, you won't have 256 people in one area fighting each other!

If the battleground is bigger, it makes sense to have more people! It can work, would you be okay with me saying Alan Wake will be crap? What you are suggesting is the same!

While you guys are defending Microsoft and I am defending Sony. Skulpt seems to be the one who isn't siding with anyone. He said it best, waiting is waiting....you can't put that any other way!

tmacfan4321

07-20-2008, 19:16

tmacfan - if Holiday 2006 isn't a solid date, how can anyone of you say that Killzone had one? I personally don't remember Killzone 2 getting a date by Sony. A7MAD seems to think so....
KZ2 is one of Sony's biggest games, Forza 2 and Alan Wake are not.

And you are already calling MAG crap? I am not sure what kind of statement that is but I'll hold off on saying anything.

MAG could work, they are designing it knowing full well what they are getting themselves into. If you break teams down into different squads, you won't have 256 people in one area fighting each other!

If the battleground is bigger, it makes sense to have more people! It can work, would you be okay with me saying Alan Wake will be crap? What you are suggesting is the same!
You know full well that I never once called MAG crap. I couldn't care less what you think about any game, call Alan Wake crap all you want.

Stripes

07-20-2008, 19:17

MS typically focuses on the here and now. They don't usually talk about games that will be released in a decade.

sainraja

07-20-2008, 19:36

KZ2 is one of Sony's biggest games, Forza 2 and Alan Wake are not.

You know full well that I never once called MAG crap. I couldn't care less what you think about any game, call Alan Wake crap all you want.

What makes Killzone 2 a bigger game? Some of you guys are quick to point to the first when you feel like it. I am not pointing the finger at you so don't worry.....but why is it big? Why isn't Alan Wake a big title?

And I wasn't calling Alan Wake crap, I was saying if I said that it would be equally stupid. I know next to nothing about the title other than that it was announced and has had a few videos shown of it.

That is because MAG could full well be crap. When you have that many players in one battle, you lose cohesion. I think that happened with Frontlines: Fuel of War, on a much smaller scale.I worded my post wrong but you were suggesting that MAG could be crap because it has many players. You might as well call it crap since you think games that have many players don't work.

The game was just announced, I think people need to wait till they hear more on it instead of make opinions on it already.

skarekrow

07-20-2008, 20:02

I think you guys are missing the point no matter how off topic it may be. Both parties do this, they announce games that are far off. Alan Wake was announced in 2005, given a release date of 2008 in 2006 and was delayed until 2009 and has had very little light shed on it since, and there are other games, but im picking on Alan Wake because ive patiently been waiting for this game since it was announced.

Neither party is clean and I will say that Sony is worse, but to try and wipe off the dirt MS has on them just because it doesnt suite your point is ridiculous.

If it were MS who showed games that werent coming out until next year or later, the roles would be reversed. Sony side claiming that they are going for the here and now, and the MS side saying that they want to demonstrate the longevity of the console.. I know, because ive been here long enough to see it happen.

As for what games the other console has, please. List wars are irrelivant, its all subjective and in the end holds no water at all. Theres no point in even getting into them because peoples taste vary.

As for the Original Post. Youre fooling yourself if you think that is all that MS is holding in their Deck. FFXIII was their ace and they played it well, but e3 isnt the only convention happening and who wants to show all of their cards when you dont know what the other guy is holding? FFXIII was all they needed and it was a huge blow to both the fans and Sony.

Outrage

07-20-2008, 23:52

Out of all those ones you just mentioned, which ones would you consider to be must have titles. I can only see Gears of War as a must have for 2008.

I plan on buying up every one of those titles. It's really a matter of preference. The point is MS is delivering a variety of titles, exclusive or not.

GTA4 Ep 1.
Banjo Kazooie 3
Infinite Undiscovery
Fallout 3 w/ Exclusive DLC (X360/PC only)
The Last Remnant
Gears of War 2
Fable 2
Left 4 Dead

To add to your list:

Tales of Vesperia
Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise

Silver&black_Attack

07-21-2008, 01:08

Microsoft chose to focus on whats coming this fall and holiday season instead of showing CGI teasers of games that are 2 years away.
The FF announcement was big enough to get plenty of press on that alone.
Microsoft i'm sure has some big un-announced games for the 360 coming, but they must have not thought this was the time to unveil them.
Bungie, if the rumors are true could be working on a new Halo game, it shouldn't be long before they announce it.

AnonymousB

07-21-2008, 01:23

While you guys are defending Microsoft and I am defending Sony. Skulpt seems to be the one who isn't siding with anyone. He said it best, waiting is waiting....you can't put that any other way!
As for me, I defend my personal opinion. I gave microsoft and nintendo money and that's all they get from me, I don't own them anything.

As for my personal opinion: I'd rather have a solid releasedate 6 months in the future which is set, than some vague promise 2-3 years from now, and numerous delays.
Delays upset me because I schedule my limited playtime. When a release date is delayed it annoys me to hell.
Also: delays often mean that the game isn't as good as the hype makes it out to be. I've seen more delayed games fail than scheduled games.

sainraja

07-21-2008, 04:47

As for me, I defend my personal opinion. I gave microsoft and nintendo money and that's all they get from me, I don't own them anything.

As for my personal opinion: I'd rather have a solid releasedate 6 months in the future which is set, than some vague promise 2-3 years from now, and numerous delays.
Delays upset me because I schedule my limited playtime. When a release date is delayed it annoys me to hell.
Also: delays often mean that the game isn't as good as the hype makes it out to be. I've seen more delayed games fail than scheduled games.

I happen to agree with what Sony is doing and that is my opinion. Some people here are trying to make it seem like Sony's the only one who does that and they did it again this E3 when they did SHOW games coming out this fall. They just conveniently ignore the titles coming this year because they are not interested in it. You can't ignore things as you see fit.

I think skulpt's basically saying that it does not matter who does it when both sides are waiting for certain titles.

mynd

07-21-2008, 07:43

radgamer420

07-21-2008, 07:56

I'm a happy camper this Fall. Gears 2, Fable 2 on 360 and Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 on PS3. I've got no complaints. Plus I think Last Remnant will be out by Christmas on 360.

sainraja

07-21-2008, 11:26

Outrage

07-21-2008, 13:30

Wait, so Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty is not a title Sony announced as coming this year? Resistance 2 isn't a title Sony revealed as coming this year? Little Big Planet is not a title Sony revealed as coming this year? MotorStorm 2 Pacific Rift isn't a title coming this year? They announced PSN games along with disc games. Sony is focusing on all three of their platforms and they are making sure each has something coming this year....but from everything they showed during their conference, you NOTICED MAG? Because it suits your point?

And since you are mentioning Lips, let's not ignore Buzz? That's coming this year to the PS3.

Well Quest for Booty, as I understand it, is a PSN title. Some people don't count those, same as XBLA games (even though PSN titles are in a whole different league IMO).

In all honesty, there are quite a few games on both consoles this year but you'll get different responses from different people. Personally, I'm getting a ton of JRPGs that are only available on the 360 for this year (3 of them, not including Lost Odyssey from 1st quarter). When you add to that list games like GeoW2, Fable 2, and Left 4 Dead, it starts looking pretty good. I would also like to point out that the PS3 does actually have a solid line-up, more than a lot of people over here want to give credit for. However, I do think Sony needs to make announcements more in line with what we can expect to see within 6-10 months. CGI teasers just don't cut it anymore.

tmacfan4321

07-21-2008, 16:01

Wait, so Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty is not a title Sony announced as coming this year? Resistance 2 isn't a title Sony revealed as coming this year? Little Big Planet is not a title Sony revealed as coming this year? MotorStorm 2 Pacific Rift isn't a title coming this year? They announced PSN games along with disc games. Sony is focusing on all three of their platforms and they are making sure each has something coming this year....but from everything they showed during their conference, you NOTICED MAG? Because it suits your point?

And since you are mentioning Lips, let's not ignore Buzz? That's coming this year to the PS3.
I think you misunderstood his post. He is talking about games that were announced this year, not ones that we have known about for a long time. Resistance 2 has been known about for over a year now, Motorstorm 2 has been known about for a while, and LBP has been known about forever.

He is talking about new announcements, while you are talking about games that Sony has been hyping for quite some time. He is saying that he doesn't understand why people are complaining about how, "Microsoft doesn't have any new games".

sainraja

07-21-2008, 17:20

I think you misunderstood his post. He is talking about games that were announced this year, not ones that we have known about for a long time. Resistance 2 has been known about for over a year now, Motorstorm 2 has been known about for a while, and LBP has been known about forever.

He is talking about new announcements, while you are talking about games that Sony has been hyping for quite some time. He is saying that he doesn't understand why people are complaining about how, "Microsoft doesn't have any new games".

Gears of War 2 is something we have known about for a while. Banjo is something we have known about for a while, they showed a teaser trailer of the game last E3. Fable 2 wasn't announced this E3, the fans of the game knew about it.

Only Lips and Scene it 2 are new announcements....so it hasn't been any different on the 360 side.

Both sides have games coming this year and have some games for next year. Everyone needs to accept that.

People don't have a reason to complain about Microsoft's line-up, the same with Sony's line-up but pointing out what you think of how Sony handle's it in defense of Microsoft isn't the best way to make a point I think.

Microsoft has some games that are not coming out this year that people have known about for a while like previously pointed out.

In all honesty, there are quite a few games on both consoles this year but you'll get different responses from different people. Personally, I'm getting a ton of JRPGs that are only available on the 360 for this year (3 of them, not including Lost Odyssey from 1st quarter). When you add to that list games like GeoW2, Fable 2, and Left 4 Dead, it starts looking pretty good. I would also like to point out that the PS3 does actually have a solid line-up, more than a lot of people over here want to give credit for. However, I do think Sony needs to make announcements more in line with what we can expect to see within 6-10 months. CGI teasers just don't cut it anymore.I can agree to that except I think if you have titles coming this year and in the future, there is nothing wrong with showing a little bit more. Sony doesn't have to follow Microsoft's foot-steps and vice versa. Sony showed more games coming out this year and a few games for next year. I don't see anything wrong with it...but you have to have some titles releasing soon and Sony does so I think their E3 was fine. Microsoft's was good in its own respect, they talked about their dashboard update and all that. They did what they had to.

tmacfan4321

07-21-2008, 17:36

I don't get it, MS has more titles than Sony being pushed out before Xmas, and people are complaining about the lack of new games?

I'm not sure how that stacks up, but it seems to happen a lot around here, all we got early this year was "MS have nothing this year- Sony is going to rule this year".

Since then MS has announced Lips, Banjo, Scene it 2, In the movies to the already crammed release schedule.
Compare that to MAG which wont be out this year.

And you complaining about MS not announcing this year?

Sony has not announced a thing for this year in the past 7 months.
MS have announced quite a bit.

Gears of War 2 is something we have known about for a while. Banjo is something we have known about for a while, they showed a teaser trailer of the game last E3. Fable 2 wasn't announced this E3, the fans of the game knew about it.He didn't even mention Gears 2, and Banjo was announced around February of this year (read: not long ago).

Only Lips and Scene it 2 are new announcements....so it hasn't been any different on the 360 side.You conveniently forgot almost all of the other games that were announced.

Both sides have games coming this year and have some games for next year. Everyone needs to accept that.
Yes, but some would like to say that Sony was going to rape Microsoft this year. It never happened.

People don't have a reason to complain about Microsoft's line-up, the same with Sony's line-up but pointing out what you think of how Sony handle's it in defense of Microsoft isn't the best way to make a point I think.

Microsoft has some games that are not coming out this year that people have known about for a while like previously pointed out.
He was simply noting how most people said that this was, "The year of the PS3". And it isn't. It is the year of all consoles.

Naxi

07-21-2008, 17:38

Gears of War 2 is something we have known about for a while. Banjo is something we have known about for a while, they showed a teaser trailer of the game last E3. Fable 2 wasn't announced this E3, the fans of the game knew about it.

Only Lips and Scene it 2 are new announcements....so it hasn't been any different on the 360 side.

Both sides have games coming this year and have some games for next year. Everyone needs to accept that.

People don't have a reason to complain about Microsoft's line-up, the same with Sony's line-up but pointing out what you think of how Sony handle's it in defense of Microsoft isn't the best way to make a point I think.

Microsoft has some games that are not coming out this year that people have known about for a while like previously pointed out.

I can agree to that except I think if you have titles coming this year and in the future, there is nothing wrong with showing a little bit more. Sony doesn't have to follow Microsoft's foot-steps and vice versa. Sony showed more games coming out this year and a few games for next year. I don't see anything wrong with it...but you have to have some titles releasing soon and Sony does so I think their E3 was fine. Microsoft's was good in its own respect, they talked about their dashboard update and all that. They did what they had to.I think he meant those games were revealed or announced for this year during 08.That means there are plenty of confirmed games for 08 and people still say the 360 lacks games compared to the ps3.He didn't necessarily say Sony did a bad thing by announcing their 08 lineup way earlier.

sainraja

07-21-2008, 17:42

He didn't even mention Gears 2, and Banjo was announced around February of this year (read: not long ago).

He doesn't have to mention it. It is a game that people were aware of and I am surprised to see you just learned about Banjo this year. Rare showed a trailer of the game before. This was early last year I believe.

You conveniently forgot almost all of the other games that were announced.
Yes, but some would like to say that Sony was going to rape Microsoft this year. It never happened.I am not focusing on what some people said about Microsoft's line-up. It's stupid for anyone to think that Microsoft isn't going to release anything this year....but it is equally as stupid to suggest or say that about Sony's line-up.

He was simply noting how most people said that this was, "The year of the PS3". And it isn't. It is the year of all consoles.It is the year of the PS3 in the sense, that things for the console are coming together this year. Home is coming this year, 2.4 happened this year....it has a solid line-up this year. It has an identity of its own....so it is the year of the PS3. That is not to say it can't be for the others.

I think he meant those games were revealed or announced for this year during 08.That means there are plenty of confirmed games for 08 and people still say the 360 lacks games compared to the ps3.He didn't necessarily say Sony did a bad thing by announcing their 08 lineup way earlier.

I guess I am defending Sony's line up a little to much when the comment I was responding to was I guess defending 360's line-up against people saying otherwise....but I didn't see it as that because I was focusing just on this topic...not what people were saying in other threads...

I think it is fair to say that both systems have enough titles coming this year.

arthur

07-21-2008, 17:46

I happen to agree with what Sony is doing and that is my opinion. Some people here are trying to make it seem like Sony's the only one who does that and they did it again this E3 when they did SHOW games coming out this fall. They just conveniently ignore the titles coming this year because they are not interested in it. You can't ignore things as you see fit.a major problem with them is their attitude of showing stuff that is sometimes 2 years off, case and examples are infamous, White knight chronicles or killzone

I think skulpt's basically saying that it does not matter who does it when both sides are waiting for certain titles.one side seems to be waiting longer on titles that are always shown years before their completion date.

Wait, so Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty is not a title Sony announced as coming this year? Resistance 2 isn't a title Sony revealed as coming this year? Little Big Planet is not a title Sony revealed as coming this year? MotorStorm 2 Pacific Rift isn't a title coming this year? They announced PSN games along with disc games. Sony is focusing on all three of their platforms and they are making sure each has something coming this year....but from everything they showed during their conference, you NOTICED MAG? Because it suits your point?

I think you misunderstood his post. He is talking about games that were announced this year, not ones that we have known about for a long time. Resistance 2 has been known about for over a year now, Motorstorm 2 has been known about for a while, and LBP has been known about forever.

He is talking about new announcements, while you are talking about games that Sony has been hyping for quite some time. He is saying that he doesn't understand why people are complaining about how, "Microsoft doesn't have any new games".does it make any difference? Sony announced new titles that are ways off, now dont get me wrong, it was worth it, but a bird at hand is worth two in the bush.
its better to have and see what is going to be here real soon than some game that is still probably at gameplay schematics, the fact that they have showed CG for most of those titles in itself shows what stage of production they are at.
a bird at hand my friend, a bird at hand

Gears of War 2 is something we have known about for a while. Banjo is something we have known about for a while, they showed a teaser trailer of the game last E3. Fable 2 wasn't announced this E3, the fans of the game knew about it.

Only Lips and Scene it 2 are new announcements....so it hasn't been any different on the 360 side.

Both sides have games coming this year and have some games for next year. Everyone needs to accept that.

People don't have a reason to complain about Microsoft's line-up, the same with Sony's line-up but pointing out what you think of how Sony handle's it in defense of Microsoft isn't the best way to make a point I think.

Microsoft has some games that are not coming out this year that people have known about for a while like previously pointed out.

I can agree to that except I think if you have titles coming this year and in the future, there is nothing wrong with showing a little bit more. Sony doesn't have to follow Microsoft's foot-steps and vice versa. Sony showed more games coming out this year and a few games for next year. I don't see anything wrong with it...but you have to have some titles releasing soon and Sony does so I think their E3 was fine. Microsoft's was good in its own respect, they talked about their dashboard update and all that. They did what they had to.there were two soccer teams in a certain town having different results. one team had been doing well and delivering on results ever since the start of the season, and their policy was to go on and take every game as it came.
their coach planned for the future as always, but always kept his mind on what was important, that was the present.

the other team on the other hand had come in as favorites, but as so happens in life, things at some times dont go the right way, the team had a star studded lineup, but was still unable to deliver on the pitch.

they sacked the coach, and the new man knowing the task at hand was currently impossible did the only thing he could do. he promised a brighter future, once all the injured players would be back to fitness, and revealed great players and great things he planned to do for the club in the coming seasons, all the time really showing little for what his current plans were.

why would Sony be showing most of their promising stuff soo early? why show stuff before you have any gameplay feed ready most of the time? whats the rush sainraja, why the rush?
Sony knew they didnt have a chance of getting any good airtime at E3, so they did the logical thing, showed most of what will come in the future, they have been doing it all this generation, and in as much as forecasting for the future is great, people are yearning more for what they can actually play at the present, because that is what is at hand, wht they can play this year.

now, MS could have shown alan wake, the lionhead project, bungies project, or even forza, what about the rare projects? but they didnt, why?

they knew what they had was good enough, and may have not wanted to steal the thunder from their other games, its planning for the future but keeping your head at what is important.

sainraja

07-21-2008, 17:57

a major problem with them is their attitude of showing stuff that is sometimes 2 years off, case and examples are infamous, White knight chronicles or killzone

one side seems to be waiting longer on titles that are always shown years before their completion date.

does it make any difference? Sony announced new titles that are ways off, now dont get me wrong, it was worth it, but a bird at hand is worth two in the bush.
its better to have and see what is going to be here real soon than some game that is still probably at gameplay schematics, the fact that they have showed CG for most of those titles in itself shows what stage of production they are at.
a bird at hand my friend, a bird at hand

there were two soccer teams in a certain town having different results. one team had been doing well and delivering on results ever since the start of the season, and their policy was to go on and take every game as it came.
their coach planned for the future as always, but always kept his mind on what was important, that was the present.

the other team on the other hand had come in as favorites, but as so happens in life, things at some times dont go the right way, the team had a star studded lineup, but was still unable to deliver on the pitch.

they sacked the coach, and the new man knowing the task at hand was currently impossible did the only thing he could do. he promised a brighter future, once all the injured players would be back to fitness, and revealed great players and great things he planned to do for the club in the coming seasons, all the time really showing little for what his current plans were.

why would Sony be showing most of their promising stuff soo early? why show stuff before you have any gameplay feed ready most of the time? whats the rush sainraja, why the rush?
Sony knew they didnt have a chance of getting any good airtime at E3, so they did the logical thing, showed most of what will come in the future, they have been doing it all this generation, and in as much as forecasting for the future is great, people are yearning more for what they can actually play at the present, because that is what is at hand, wht they can play this year.

now, MS could have shown alan wake, the lionhead project, bungies project, or even forza, what about the rare projects? but they didnt, why?

they knew what they had was good enough, and may have not wanted to steal the thunder from their other games, its planning for the future but keeping your head at what is important.

Sony showed Infamous which has a Spring date, Killzone 2 which has a February 2009 date and MAG + God of War 3 (CG teasers.) They showed two titles coming out next year....and two titles coming out in the future.

So a total of four titles, two of which are coming out next year. The other two, are in development, both of which we don't know a lot about. People wanted to see God of War 3 confirmed. They WANTED to see that, they were hoping to see that.

Killzone 2 isn't that far off, arthur. No point in using it as a point, unless they push it back again, you might have some ammo in that case...but they haven't.

They showed Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, MotorStorm 2 and a bunch of other games in their video game slideshow most of which ARE coming out this year.

So, since Sony showed games COMING out this year and a few games coming out later. What is wrong with that?

Also...

Sony didn't pull all their cards this E3 either as you seem to think so. They have other games that they are keeping under wraps that they could have announced but haven't....or shown.

arthur

07-21-2008, 18:08

Sony showed Infamous which has a Spring date, Killzone 2 which has a February 2009 date and MAG + God of War 3 (CG teasers.) They showed two titles coming out next year....and two titles coming out in the future.you are trying to miss the point on purpose, and that never makes for good debate

So a total of four titles, two of which are coming out next year. The other two, are in development, both of which we don't know a lot about. People wanted to see God of War 3 confirmed. They WANTED to see that, they were hoping to see that.

Killzone 2 isn't that far off, arthur. No point in using it as a point, unless they push it back again, you might have some ammo in that case...but they haven't.not if you consider it has been on every E3 show since 2005

They showed Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, MotorStorm 2 and a bunch of other games in their video game slideshow most of which ARE coming out this year.those 3 are the big games everyone wants, but if you compare that to too human, infinate undiscovery, viva pinata, fable 2, gears 2, left 4 dead and banjo, its looks good, but really small in comparison, doesnt it?

So, since Sony showed games COMING out this year and a few games coming out later. What is wrong with that? nothing, their reasons arent as noble as you seem to think, now are they? all you need to do is to understand how companies work and think, for Sony, they arent really going to compete in the software market this year, and they know it, toss in a few unannounced titles, keep the hope up, and drive sales

Also...

Sony didn't pull all their cards this E3 either as you seem to think so. They have other games that they are keeping under wraps that they could have announced but haven't....or shown.yup, white knight, getaway,wardevil, heavy rain, the team ico project? man, that list is endless, they have more announced and unreleased titles than both and ninty habe had at any time in this generation

sainraja

07-21-2008, 18:26

you are trying to miss the point on purpose, and that never makes for good debate

Not exactly. I am referring to this year's E3 where Sony showed titles that are coming out this year and early next year. They showed two titles that you could say were CG and they were teasers. People were hoping to see God of War 3 announced. Now they have announced it, we'll learn more about it later. MAG was announced. Sony used E3 as the place to announce their titles.

not if you consider it has been on every E3 show since 2005Killzone 2 wasn't announced this E3. It wasn't even shown there. My response mostly was directed at the person who said all Sony showed this year's E3 were games coming out in the future and nothing coming out this year.

those 3 are the big games everyone wants, but if you compare that to too human, infinate undiscovery, viva pinata, fable 2, gears 2, left 4 dead and banjo, its looks good, but really small in comparison, doesnt it?Sony showed more titles than the ones I listed. You are focusing on my list and making your argument based on that. Sony's focus wasn't just on the PS3 disc based games. Sony announced games that will be available through the PSN and disc. I did not mention SOCOM, I thought I didn't have to since my main point has been that Sony showed games this E3 that are coming out this year unlike what was said before.

nothing, their reasons arent as noble as you seem to think, now are they? all you need to do is to understand how companies work and think, for Sony, they arent really going to compete in the software market this year, and they know it, toss in a few unannounced titles, keep the hope up, and drive salesSony has enough software for this year. Exclusives aren't the only titles that count for the PS3 you know. There are third party games coming out for the PS3 as well.

yup, white knight, getaway,wardevil, heavy rain, the team ico project? man, that list is endless, they have more announced and unreleased titles than both and ninty habe had at any time in this generationWe don't know a lot about those titles and there are some projects on 360 we know little about. I am not trying to point out whose list is bigger, arthur.

My point was never that....but SONY did show games that are coming out this year. Their E3 conference did show games COMING out this year. Yes, this year. That is what I have been saying. Forgive me for trying to respond to anyone who replies to me. =/

arthur

07-21-2008, 18:38

Not exactly. I am referring to this year's E3 where Sony showed titles that are coming out this year and early next year. They showed two titles that you could say were CG and they were teasers. People were hoping to see God of War 3 announced. Now they have announced it, we'll learn more about it later. MAG was announced. Sony used E3 as the place to announce their titles.i think we are now so far in the beneration that an announcement ought to be followed by some gameplay feed of some sought, now thats just me, but NG2 and gears have something in common, their announcements were followed by gameplay feed

Killzone 2 wasn't announced this E3. It wasn't even shown there. My response mostly was directed at the person who said all Sony showed this year's E3 were games coming out in the future and nothing coming out this year. what is coming in the next year, or years is what stole the thunder, not what is coming out this year, and that is the point i am making. Sony got so insecure that they let far future titles overshadow near future titles, that to me shows a lack of faith in what they ahve on the table for this year.

no matter how hard one looks at it, the bottom line is that they didnt have a lot of faith showing and concentrating on what they had, at the end of the day, thats the cold hard truth

Sony showed more titles than the ones I listed. You are focusing on my list and making your argument based on that. Sony's focus wasn't just on the PS3 disc based games. Sony announced games that will be available through the PSN and disc. I did not mention SOCOM, I thought I didn't have to since my main point has been that Sony showed games this E3 that are coming out this year unlike what was said before.PSN games and XBLA games for some reason dont get as much airtime, and not as much in time of gameplay or hype, or sales for that matter

Sony has enough software for this year. Exclusives aren't the only titles that count for the PS3 you know. There are third party games coming out for the PS3 as well.yup, but you forget that exclusives are what differentiate one console from another, if there were the same games on both the 360 and ps3, what would there be to choose between them? its like going to a shop and the attendant offering you two identicle copies of a book and telling you to choose the best, makes no sense, now does it?

We don't know a lot about those titles and there are some projects on 360 we know little about. I am not trying to point out whose list is bigger, arthur. and i like it like that, i like to see what is coming at me on that year when i start the year, you tell me to start getting hyped over a game that will release in anything like a year and a half or two years, then i think you are barking of the wrong tree

My point was never that....but SONY did show games that are coming out this year. Their E3 conference did show games COMING out this year. Yes, this year. That is what I have been saying.you still havent gotten the point

sainraja

07-21-2008, 18:48

i think we are now so far in the beneration that an announcement ought to be followed by some gameplay feed of some sought, now thats just me, but NG2 and gears have something in common, their announcements were followed by gameplay feed
what is coming in the next year, or years is what stole the thunder, not what is coming out this year, and that is the point i am making. Sony got so insecure that they let far future titles overshadow near future titles, that to me shows a lack of faith in what they ahve on the table for this year.

You are looking at it in a very negative way. I'll just wait and see what Sony does in the future.

no matter how hard one looks at it, the bottom line is that they didnt have a lot of faith showing and concentrating on what they had, at the end of the day, thats the cold hard truth

How can you be so sure of that?

PSN games and XBLA games for some reason dont get as much airtime, and not as much in time of gameplay or hype, or sales for that matter

SOCOM, like Warhawk, will be available through the PSN and through disc....but PSN games aren't restricted by size, you know that. PS3 started this year with Burnout Paradise (multi), GTA4 (multi) and MGS4 (exclusive.) It is getting Socom, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet and MotorStorm 2 this fall with other third party titles. I think the PS3 line-up is fine. You seem to think otherwise. Oh well, not much I can say....but like I have been pointing out, Sony's 2008 E3 conference didn't consist of titles coming out in the distant future. They had titles for this year and early next year along with titles in the future.

I get your point, for the last time, but I don't agree with it. I think if Sony has something to show. They should show it....but if they show some of their projects does not necessarily mean that they don't have anything else. Sony has a big internal development house and it's not like third party developers aren't releasing their games on the PS3.

yup, but you forget that exclusives are what differentiate one console from another, if there were the same games on both the 360 and ps3, what would there be to choose between them? its like going to a shop and the attendant offering you two identicle copies of a book and telling you to choose the best, makes no sense, now does it?

PS3 has exclusives. You're just ignoring them. If they are not your cup of tea, they are not your cup of tea.

and i like it like that, i like to see what is coming at me on that year when i start the year, you tell me to start getting hyped over a game that will release in anything like a year and a half or two years, then i think you are barking of the wrong tree

I know what is coming out for the PS3 this year. I am excited for it.

you still havent gotten the point

I do get it but I don't agree with it and you are focusing solely on titles that are coming out in the future for the PS3.

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 18:51

I disagree. I think that the Xbox360 needed more features.

I half agree, i think the 360 needed NETFLIX due to the HD and BLU RAY war going to BLU RAY but i feel MS needed to ensure it's customers that they still have games on the way, im sorry but GOW2 as good as it looks and Fable 2 are not going to satisfy 360 customers. Ive said it once and i'll say it again being a previous 360 owner, once HALO 3 was released and with GOW2 on the way, whats left before GOW3. We are still waiting on BUNGIE's big announcement which i think could mark the slow fall of the 360 if it's not what the people want to hear. Also now that BIOSHOCK is moved to multiplatform whats left? I don't think Mass Effect can take up the slack with a sequel nor can Too Human. Who's to say that these games wont turn out the same way BIOSHOCK did which is become a multiplat game. I mean what if and that's a BIG what if GOW series went multiplat with a PS3 version. Now before i catch hell for that comment remember this people MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.....GREED! Now think if you were Cliff and you saw how much you made off of the 1st GOW on xbox 360, just think how much you would make if that game was made available for PS3 owners? You know he's thinking that or at least it's crossed his mind, and im willing to bet you that if BIOSHOCK does well on the PS3 you may see alot of exclusives jumping ship to multiplatform.

tmacfan4321

07-21-2008, 19:00

I half agree, i think the 360 needed NETFLIX due to the HD and BLU RAY war going to BLU RAY but i feel MS needed to ensure it's customers that they still have games on the way, im sorry but GOW2 as good as it looks and Fable 2 are not going to satisfy 360 customers. Ive said it once and i'll say it again being a previous 360 owner, once HALO 3 was released and with GOW2 on the way, whats left before GOW3. We are still waiting on BUNGIE's big announcement which i think could mark the slow fall of the 360 if it's not what the people want to hear. Also now that BIOSHOCK is moved to multiplatform whats left? I don't think Mass Effect can take up the slack with a sequel nor can Too Human. Who's to say that these games wont turn out the same way BIOSHOCK did which is become a multiplat game. I mean what if and that's a BIG what if GOW series went multiplat with a PS3 version. Now before i catch hell for that comment remember this people MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.....GREED! Now think if you were Cliff and you saw how much you made off of the 1st GOW on xbox 360, just think how much you would make if that game was made available for PS3 owners? You know he's thinking that or at least it's crossed his mind, and im willing to bet you that if BIOSHOCK does well on the PS3 you may see alot of exclusives jumping ship to multiplatform.Why did you post this wall of text?

As soon as I read, "slow fall of the 360", I stopped reading. You lost all credibility there.

arthur

07-21-2008, 19:02

You are looking at it in a very negative way. I'll just wait and see what Sony does in the future.
negative? probabl, but that doesnt change the fact that it is the truth, does it?

How can you be so sure of that?well, i have put my observations, hvent i? and the seem to tally with what i say

SOCOM, like Warhawk, will be available through the PSN and through disc....but PSN games aren't restricted by size, you know that.a PSN title remains just that, just as MS releaed some XBLA titles on disc with the arcade SKU, does that mean they are no longer XBLA? far from it

PS3 started this year with Burnout Paradise (multi), GTA4 (multi) and MGS4 (exclusive.) It is getting Socom, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet and MotorStorm 2 this fall with other third party titles. I think the PS3 line-up is fine.the 360 started with lost oddysey, burnout, GTA, NG2, and with too human, left4 dead, banjo, gears 2, infinate undiscovery, fable 2, viva pinata and a few other PC 360 exclusives, i think the ps3 has a weaker lineup, doesnt mater what perspective or angle you look at it from, it still comes up way short.

You seem to think otherwise. Oh well, not much I can say....but like I have been pointing out, Sony's 2008 E3 conference didn't consist of titles coming out in the distant future. They had titles for this year and early next year along with titles in the future.and i agreed to that, didnt i, just said that they let forthcoming titles coming after these steal the thunder, why would they do that? why?

I get your point, for the last time, but I don't agree with it. I think if Sony has something to show. They should show it....but if they show some of their projects does not necessarily mean that they don't have anything else. Sony has a big internal development house and it's not like third party developers aren't releasing their games on the PS3.its also not as if they are not relesing anything on the 360, and i chose to leave them out. so whats your point

PS3 has exclusives. You're just ignoring them. If they are not your cup of tea, they are not your cup of tea.
am i? have i? can you substantiate your comments? i really dont think so

I know what is coming out for the PS3 this year. I am excited for it.good for you. doesnt change facts, now does it?

I do get it but I don't agree with it and you are focusing solely on titles that are coming out in the future for the PS3.again, the simple question i ask and you keep evading is why would anyone let something coming in the far future overshadow something coming int the near future? you seem to think i have an agenda, but why is the question i ask

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 19:32

Why did you post this wall of text?

As soon as I read, "slow fall of the 360", I stopped reading. You lost all credibility there.

Seriously don't care about credibility and when i say slow fall of 360 i mean in excluisve games which would mean MS needs to start thinking about the 720. You should read the rest of what i said because it could happen.

tmacfan4321

07-21-2008, 19:36

Seriously don't care about credibility and when i say slow fall of 360 i mean in excluisve games which would mean MS needs to start thinking about the 720. You should read the rest of what i said because it could happen.
Credibility does matter when trying to prove a point. Without it, you get nowhere.

Saying that the 360 doesn't have exclusives past Gears 2 is just about as ignorant as saying that the only game coming out for the PS3 this year is Resistance 2.

You haven't seen any of the 360's exclusives for this year or the next, have you?

sainraja

07-21-2008, 19:38

negative? probabl, but that doesnt change the fact that it is the truth, does it?

We have seen gameplay videos of Resistance 2, MotorStorm 2 and Little Big Planet and Socom. Sony announced games coming out this year and showed gameplay videos. They do that....but I guess some of these titles aren't titles you are interested in?

well, i have put my observations, hvent i? and the seem to tally with what i say

You seem to think Sony does not have anything else to show later. There is still Leipzig and TGS. Leipzig for European developers (Sony does have development houses there) and TGS. If that is what you think, how can I change your opinion? I can't say anything about what Sony has later on for those conferences but I am not going to assume that they don't have anything based on my observations.

a PSN title remains just that, just as MS releaed some XBLA titles on disc with the arcade SKU, does that mean they are no longer XBLA? far from it

PSN titles aren't restricted by the things XBLA games are restricted by. PSN titles can be as big as some 360 retail games. Warhawk is a PS3/PSN title. SOCOM is a PS3/PSN title, it is still part of the PS3 library.

the 360 started with lost oddysey, burnout, GTA, NG2, and with too human, left4 dead, banjo, gears 2, infinate undiscovery, fable 2, viva pinata and a few other PC 360 exclusives, i think the ps3 has a weaker lineup, doesnt mater what perspective or angle you look at it from, it still comes up way short.

So both consoles had titles for this year, that's great. You think the PS3's weaker, I don't share your opinion.

and i agreed to that, didnt i, just said that they let forthcoming titles coming after these steal the thunder, why would they do that?

If you agreed to that, I am not sure why we are still arguing....but Sony is running their games division and Microsoft is running their's, you agree with the way Microsoft does things and I think what Sony does is fine.

am i? have i? can you substantiate your comments? i really dont think so

I can't change your opinion. You think the PS3's line-up is weaker. That is what you think.

This year, the PS3 had enough games to satisfy someone who has it....and it has enough exclusives to satisfy a new owner.

good for you. doesnt change facts, now does it?

again, the simple question i ask and you keep evading is why would anyone let something coming in the far future overshadow something coming int the near future? you seem to think i have an agenda, but why is the question i ask

I wasn't evading it. That's a good point but it wasn't something I was talking about in the first place. I thought you were disagreeing with me about Sony's E3 conference, about how they didn't show anything coming out this year which is why I kept arguing. I can't answer that for you but I have no problem with Sony showing titles coming out in the future. For example, I was excited to see the teaser trailer for God of War 3. that's one of my favorite games. I am happy to see announced.

Soldier 95B

07-21-2008, 20:04

same as XBLA games (even though PSN titles are in a whole different league IMO).

Why are they in a whole different league?

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 21:26

Credibility does matter when trying to prove a point. Without it, you get nowhere.

Saying that the 360 doesn't have exclusives past Gears 2 is just about as ignorant as saying that the only game coming out for the PS3 this year is Resistance 2.

You haven't seen any of the 360's exclusives for this year or the next, have you?

Well consider me ignorant because at E3, probably the biggest gaming convention held each year, which is televised to millions of people MS showed counted them 2 exclusives at there presentation which was GOW2 and Fable 2. The rest of the games were multiplatform games. Since the 360 is always been known for its hardcore crowd and basicly known as a FPS console because face it look at the freaking controller, it dosnt exactly scream RPG's so who gives a crap about Fable 2 and Final Fantasy 13. Im sorry but when i play a game i like to control my character and how they fight/shoot as oppose to pressing a button and all of a sudden magicly unicorns, fairy dust and 2 headed dragons start popping out everywhere to do the fighting for me. Back to my point which was MS failed to deliver anything to the majority of there audience which is the hardcore gamers. GOW2 is big but we expected that. Final Fantasy 13 was a surprise but we know how i feel about that and that's also a multiplat game. Halo wars, RTS's are cool if i have the option to plug a keboard and mouse in other than that i love my fingers to much to put them through that agony. The 360 is looking more like a multiplatform console than anything. Huff and Puff all you want but lets face it after E3 how many people are going to go home and take out there frustration from school and work in an intense game of....LIPS! WTF! Even if Bungie announces a new Halo game still you have 1 more game to add to a small list of exclusives that actually move the console in sales. 360 is known for Halo and anything halo, and GOW series. So lets see GOW1 was 2 years ago, Halo 3 last Sept. and this Nov. GOW2. Judging from this cycle of no brainers what do you think MS and the Wii60 is going to do next? What is Bungie going to announce?

Rareware

07-21-2008, 21:32

Well consider me ignorant because at E3, probably the biggest gaming convention held each year, which is televised to millions of people MS showed counted them 2 exclusives at there presentation which was GOW2 and Fable 2. The rest of the games were multiplatform games. Since the 360 is always been known for its hardcore crowd and basicly known as a FPS console because face it look at the freaking controller, it dosnt exactly scream RPG's so who gives a crap about Fable 2 and Final Fantasy 13. Im sorry but when i play a game i like to control my character and how they fight/shoot as oppose to pressing a button and all of a sudden magicly unicorns, fairy dust and 2 headed dragons start popping out everywhere to do the fighting for me. Back to my point which was MS failed to deliver anything to the majority of there audience which is the hardcore gamers. GOW2 is big but we expected that. Final Fantasy 13 was a surprise but we know how i feel about that and that's also a multiplat game. Halo wars, RTS's are cool if i have the option to plug a keboard and mouse in other than that i love my fingers to much to put them through that agony. The 360 is looking more like a multiplatform console than anything. Huff and Puff all you want but lets face it after E3 how many people are going to go home and take out there frustration from school and work in an intense game of....LIPS! WTF! Even if Bungie announces a new Halo game still you have 1 more game to add to a small list of exclusives that actually move the console in sales. 360 is known for Halo and anything halo, and GOW series. So lets see GOW1 was 2 years ago, Halo 3 last Sept. and this Nov. GOW2. Judging from this cycle of no brainers what do you think MS and the Wii60 is going to do next? What is Bungie going to announce?

WOW! I haven't seen this kind of anger and ignorance around here in a long time. :mrgreen:

Tmacfan, just stop now and let this guy go. Let him believe what he wants to believe. You'll only end up getting yourself an infraction and this guy isn't worth it. He obviously hasn't followed the 360 at all and only knows what he learned at E3.

Soldier 95B

07-21-2008, 21:35

Well consider me ignorant ...MS showed counted them 2 exclusives at there presentation which was GOW2 and Fable 2.

You missed the MS presentation then and the demo kiosks. They showed AND demoed Too Human and Halo Wars (playble behind the show), Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Lips, 3 Fable XBLA titles, You're In the Movies, Scene It 2, Geometry Wars 2, Galaga Legions, Portal Still Alive, Viva Pinata 2, Banjo & Kazooie, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remanant (timed). (did I miss any?)

All during the show, all exclusive, all (besides Halo Wars) coming this year.

Rareware

07-21-2008, 21:41

(did I miss any?)

Yes you did. Too Human.

That probably won't count because of all of the idiots over at GAF that don't know their arse from a hole in the ground.

Soldier 95B

07-21-2008, 21:43

Yes you did. Too Human.

That probably won't count because of all of the idiots over at GAF that don't know their arse from a hole in the ground.

Well, I wasn't aware that they showed it during the presentation. I know it was playable at the demo kiosks, as was Halo Wars. Did they actually show Too Human and Halo Wars on stage? I just want to be sure my post is accurate.

Rareware

07-21-2008, 21:47

Well, I wasn't aware that they showed it during the presentation. I know it was playable at the demo kiosks, as was Halo Wars. Did they actually show Too Human and Halo Wars on stage? I just want to be sure my post is accurate.

Not sure about that. I know it was demoed there though.

But let's face it, anyone who only relies on an E3 press conference and expects to know everything about the 360 isn't thinking straight.

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 21:56

You missed the MS presentation then and the demo kiosks. They showed AND demoed Too Human and Halo Wars (playble behind the show), Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Lips, 3 Fable XBLA titles, You're In the Movies, Scene It 2, Geometry Wars 2, Galaga Legions, Portal Still Alive, Viva Pinata 2, Banjo & Kazooie, Infinite Undiscovery, Last Remanant (timed). (did I miss any?)

All during the show, all exclusive, all (besides Halo Wars) coming this year.

Once again proving my point that the big hitters are there to save the console GOW2 and Halo Wars and anything else related to halo, other than Too human everthing else is small talk. Bungies annoucement would not surprise me if it's halo related cause what are they going to show off next E3 without a halo or gow game, why do you think they canceled Bungies announcement?

Rareware

07-21-2008, 22:01

why do you think they canceled Bungies announcement?

Because they already owned the show. They didn't need to show anything else. If they needed to "svae the 360", they would have retained ther bungie announcement. DUH!

They wrapped up '07 with the best line-up, they will have as good as an '08 line-up of any of the big 3, if not better and '09 is looking awesome as well.

Your argument is an epic fail.

Looking at your post history, you have a long & sordid history of 360 bashing so what you say here is meaningless.

Time to go back under the the rock from which you climbed, troll.

MATRIX 2

07-21-2008, 22:02

I half agree, i think the 360 needed NETFLIX due to the HD and BLU RAY war going to BLU RAY but i feel MS needed to ensure it's customers that they still have games on the way, im sorry but GOW2 as good as it looks and Fable 2 are not going to satisfy 360 customers. Ive said it once and i'll say it again being a previous 360 owner, once HALO 3 was released and with GOW2 on the way, whats left before GOW3. We are still waiting on BUNGIE's big announcement which i think could mark the slow fall of the 360 if it's not what the people want to hear. Also now that BIOSHOCK is moved to multiplatform whats left? I don't think Mass Effect can take up the slack with a sequel nor can Too Human. Who's to say that these games wont turn out the same way BIOSHOCK did which is become a multiplat game. I mean what if and that's a BIG what if GOW series went multiplat with a PS3 version. Now before i catch hell for that comment remember this people MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL.....GREED! Now think if you were Cliff and you saw how much you made off of the 1st GOW on xbox 360, just think how much you would make if that game was made available for PS3 owners? You know he's thinking that or at least it's crossed his mind, and im willing to bet you that if BIOSHOCK does well on the PS3 you may see alot of exclusives jumping ship to multiplatform.

Paragraphs are your friend, remember that.

Epic already tried your idea with UT3, the result was poor sales. Shooters sell the most on the 360, there is no reason for GOW to go multiplatform. Any sales from a ps3 version would be negligible.

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 22:10

You 360 people are freaking funny and in denial. You pick the most retarted stuff to talk about like "who say's it needs saving" or paragraphs are needed LOL! You guys kill me and the Bungie announcement thing, trust me they canceled it so they could build up hype for next years E3 cause they have nothing else to show. MS can't pull off an E3 without having those two games in the show.

Silver&black_Attack

07-21-2008, 22:15

STLunat1K

07-21-2008, 22:15

Because they already owned the show. They didn't need to show anything else. If they needed to "svae the 360", they would have retained ther bungie announcement. DUH!

They wrapped up '07 with the best line-up, they will have as good as an '08 line-up of any of the big 3, if not better and '09 is looking awesome as well.

Your argument is an epic fail.

Looking at your post history, you have a long & sordid history of 360 bashing so what you say here is meaningless.

Time to go back under the the rock from which you climbed, troll.

Did you really just call me a troll? Wow how old are you? :snicker I guess it is true, 360 really is turning into another Wii even there owners are starting to talk like little kids.

Sparc

07-21-2008, 22:23

Well consider me ignorant because at E3, probably the biggest gaming convention held each year, which is televised to millions of people MS showed counted them 2 exclusives at there presentation which was GOW2 and Fable 2. The rest of the games were multiplatform games. Since the 360 is always been known for its hardcore crowd and basicly known as a FPS console because face it look at the freaking controller, it dosnt exactly scream RPG's so who gives a crap about Fable 2 and Final Fantasy 13. Im sorry but when i play a game i like to control my character and how they fight/shoot as oppose to pressing a button and all of a sudden magicly unicorns, fairy dust and 2 headed dragons start popping out everywhere to do the fighting for me. Back to my point which was MS failed to deliver anything to the majority of there audience which is the hardcore gamers. GOW2 is big but we expected that. Final Fantasy 13 was a surprise but we know how i feel about that and that's also a multiplat game. Halo wars, RTS's are cool if i have the option to plug a keboard and mouse in other than that i love my fingers to much to put them through that agony. The 360 is looking more like a multiplatform console than anything. Huff and Puff all you want but lets face it after E3 how many people are going to go home and take out there frustration from school and work in an intense game of....LIPS! WTF! Even if Bungie announces a new Halo game still you have 1 more game to add to a small list of exclusives that actually move the console in sales. 360 is known for Halo and anything halo, and GOW series. So lets see GOW1 was 2 years ago, Halo 3 last Sept. and this Nov. GOW2. Judging from this cycle of no brainers what do you think MS and the Wii60 is going to do next? What is Bungie going to announce?
Goodness...what a load of drivel. You do realise that's time you can never get back? You should think about that next time.

I'm not entirely sure whether you are posting in here to make yourself feel better about your purchase or whether you're just bored and thought you'd pop into this side of the forum and post tripe, but either has resulted in quite a big turd being lain in this forum.

RTS games can and do work on the console. I've been playing RTS's for years and years. At one time it was the ONLY genre I played. So I was a hardcore PC RTS fan (anybody remember Cavedog? Let's have a moment's silence at the end of this post for them). I wasn't convinced the RTS would work on the console but LOTR (the first RTS for a console) showed me that despite it not being perfect it was a lot better than I thought it could be. C&C went further and really made a nice control system and if you watch the video on Halo Wars I think that even you would be pushed to say it "doesn't work" - not that I'd expect you to admit of course. It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.

Now....about that moment's silence...

REFLEX

07-21-2008, 22:30

Anyone trolling will have to deal with the wrath ..... warnings have been given and consider this the warning.

tmacfan4321

07-21-2008, 22:30

Did you really just call me a troll? Wow how old are you? :snicker I guess it is true, 360 really is turning into another Wii even there owners are starting to talk like little kids.
They called you a troll because that is exactly what you are. Anyone who defies logic and reasoning with their posts just for the sake of an argument, is a troll.

You are blatantly starting arguments that will only end in infractions. Then after you say that you are not a troll, you call 360 owners little kids for calling you out on it.

Logic rules this section, not trolling.

radgamer420

07-21-2008, 23:30

yup, white knight, getaway,wardevil, heavy rain, the team ico project? man, that list is endless, they have more announced and unreleased titles than both and ninty habe had at any time in this generation

FYI The Getaway was cancelled so you might want to scratch that one off. Anyway as for the topic I think both systems will have great games to play this Fall and xmas. I'm going to be very broke.

mynd

07-21-2008, 23:51

He doesn't have to mention it. It is a game that people were aware of and I am surprised to see you just learned about Banjo this year. Rare showed a trailer of the game before. This was early last year I believe.

We have "known about" a lot of games, but knowing something is going to happen and actually seeing an offical game title and gameplay is something completely different. Rare showed nothing but a possible teaser last year.

I am not focusing on what some people said about Microsoft's line-up. It's stupid for anyone to think that Microsoft isn't going to release anything this year....but it is equally as stupid to suggest or say that about Sony's line-up.

Well, the thread isnt really about "whats coming", it's about "what's been announced".
Title for title, MS has announced more games coming in the past 7 months, that are actually arriving before Xmas.

It is the year of the PS3 in the sense, that things for the console are coming together this year. Home is coming this year, 2.4 happened this year....it has a solid line-up this year. It has an identity of its own....so it is the year of the PS3. That is not to say it can't be for the others.

There is long time to go in the year. Lots of things can happen.
Take for example the following worse case scenario for Sony...
-LBP get delayed till early next year
-360 drops to $299 permanently
-Fable 2 becomes game of the year
-Gears 2 outsells Resistence 2 5:1
-Motostorm 2 causes the new 80gb models to crash

Ya know, none of this is likely but it is possible, it could all go pear shaped for either company, indeed it has already in some sense for Sony, I mean if you listed stuff that's gone wrong this year form the "dream" run, it's already bad, no KZ2 before Xmas, Home delayed, GTA crashing, thats not exactly stuff Sony are happy about.
To pronounce any year as before it is out is perhaps overly dramatic, still people buy into hype....

I guess I am defending Sony's line up a little to much when the comment I was responding to was I guess defending 360's line-up against people saying otherwise....but I didn't see it as that because I was focusing just on this topic...not what people were saying in other threads...

I think it is fair to say that both systems have enough titles coming this year.

It is a great time to be a gamer on any system. But to bemoan that MS didn't announce titles for next year is ridiculous.

Frankly I have an inkling of what is coming exclusive, and my suspicions go something like this:

Alan Wake
APB exclusive
Bioshock II (6 months exclusive)
Mass Effect II
Forza 3,( timed for release at same time at GT5)
Halo 4
KOTR exclusive
Killer Instinct
Splinter Cell
Dungeon Siege III

Do they really need to announce Bioshock 2, Forza 3, and Mass Effect 2, not really, it's about as superfluous as it gets.
Still some people seem to think it would have done them good to do it.

Hell they even held of the Halo 4 announcement.

Rareware

07-22-2008, 00:51

And there are some yet to be announced games as well. I know Killer Instinct is in there somewhere.

MS only announces games as needed. Right now, they don't need to. I think it makes this whole speculation thing fun.

APB is going to be HUGE. I am also looking forward to Dungeon Hero.

skulpt

07-22-2008, 00:52

While I totally respect both sides of the argument, I think people need to think about something.

1) Microsoft Game Studios have lost some studios under their wing

2) Sony has been adding studios under their wing

3) Great 3rd party developers of past exclusives that have been standouts on the 360 are ending up more and more on the PS3 as install base sales start to make more sense.

So you basically have this. Oblivion makers aren't doing the exclusive release anymore with their next project Fallout. Bioshock is heading to the PS3, and most likely Bioshock 2 is as well.

The 360 was flooded with GREAT exclusives in 2006 and 2007, but a big reason was it was pointless releasing the game on the PS3 where the install base (as well as understanding of the hardware) was not in place. So now you're having some studios saying "No MS, we will make enough money on the PS3 to counter your exclusive offer." I mean do you think if MS could have secured Fallout entirely, they wouldn't have taken advantage of that? The devs know now that they can make more off of the PS3 alone than what MS could offer.

The PS3 has reached the point where MS has to offer more to secure an exclusive deal. So you're left a bit more with the need for strong first party titles, and Sony really seems to be gobbling up a lot of studios lately, and MS has been letting some go.

So while I can agree that there are some GREAT 360 exclusives coming out, I also think that some of you are forgetting that MS has lost some ground, and at the same time, Sony has picked some up.

We can't forget the loss of PS3 exclusives in DMC, GTA, and FF13. But I do think this argument I see on both sides is NOT 100% correct that MS is in trouble, or not 100% correct that MS is the same as always either.

MS will have some great exclusives to offer, didn't have to show them at E3, but they are NOT the same company of a year ago that had exclusives by install base default, and also had Bungie and BC under their wing.

It seems like there is zero middle ground on these boards. I guess people get polarized more as some flame enough to get people pis$ed.

LOL

mynd

07-22-2008, 01:06

While I totally respect both sides of the argument, I think people need to think about something.

1) Microsoft Game Studios have lost some studios under their wing

True, they have lost Bioware, how this impacts on their current relationship is yet to be seen, but MS is not adverse to paying for timed exclusives, I fully expect Mass Effect II to be in the same league.

I do not know of any other companies they have lost, Bioshock II will be a timed exclusive, I'd put MS's money on it ;)

2) Sony has been adding studios under their wing
I was unaware of nay new purchases, what has Sony purchased recently, I might have missed something.

3) Great 3rd party developers of past exclusives that have been standouts on the 360 are ending up more and more on the PS3 as install base sales start to make more sense.

Well, consider Tretton has just announced that they will not focus on 3rd part devs, expect games still to be developed and lead on the 360. This still plays into "6 month exclusive" titles.

So you basically have this. Oblivion makers aren't doing the exclusive release anymore with their next project Fallout. Bioshock is heading to the PS3, and most likely Bioshock 2 is as well.

Again, Bioshock will be ported by a diferent team, while Bioshock 2 will be developed, and later ported. 2K has already said they dont have a huge team to do multiple platforms. I think Biosshock 2 will still be a timed excluisve.
Fallout 3 is not really a shock, Oblivsion was the first game to get the PS3 port treatment.

The 360 was flooded with GREAT exclusives in 2006 and 2007, but a big reason was it was pointless releasing the game on the PS3 where the install base (as well as understanding of the hardware) was not in place. So now you're having some studios saying "No MS, we will make enough money on the PS3 to counter your exclusive offer." I mean do you think if MS could have secured Fallout entirely, they wouldn't have taken advantage of that? The devs know now that they can make more off of the PS3 alone than what MS could offer.

You need only pay enough for a timed exclusive, it does enough damage. There is still a large leap for some of these companies.

The PS3 has reached the point where MS has to offer more to secure an exclusive deal. So you're left a bit more with the need for strong first party titles, and Sony really seems to be gobbling up a lot of studios lately, and MS has been letting some go.

So while I can agree that there are some GREAT 360 exclusives coming out, I also think that some of you are forgetting that MS has lost some ground, and at the same time, Sony has picked some up.

I really don't see it like that, well not yet at least, when we see Bioshock 2, and Mass Effect 2 announced day and date, then I would agree with you. Yeah it's posisble, but it isnt exactly panic stations at MS just yet.

We can't forget the loss of PS3 exclusives in DMC, GTA, and FF13. But I do think this argument I see on both sides is NOT 100% correct that MS is in trouble, or not 100% correct that MS is the same as always either.

Exactly

MS will have some great exclusives to offer, didn't have to show them at E3, but they are NOT the same company of a year ago that had exclusives by install base default, and also had Bungie and BC under their wing.

It seems like there is zero middle ground on these boards. I guess people get polarized more as some flame enough to get people pis.

LOL

Well, it is a PS3 forums site :)

But I still think it's compelling to lead development on the 360, and many companies are leaving PS3 ports up to another team, delaying the resulting PS3 product. It does not hurt them to do this, and it's understandable the 3rd party devs want to make as much money as possible.

Valve and ID for example, both pretty much don't want to deal with the PS3.
While you will see the large (Ubisoft/EA) companies deal in terms of simultaneous releases. The true gems tend to come from smaller companies. It's generally the publisher that will later push them into a port.

Rareware

07-22-2008, 01:09

Remember that MS has an exclusive right to publish all Bungie games and gets right of first refusal so they are more like a 2nd party dev. Bungie's games are going nowhere but to the 360 for the next couple of years.

skulpt

07-22-2008, 01:38

I guess time will tell what happens to these timed exclusives. But I think we can assume that the install base has something to do with the PS3 getting Fallout 3 this time, where as they had to wait last time.

As for the studios Sony has added recently:

-They bought out Zipper in 2006 (Adding Socom and MAG)
-Evolution Studios in 2008 (Motorstorm)
-Sony Online Entertainment in 2008 became the property of SCEA (Had been a separate entity up until then, mostly doing PC stuff. Adds The Agency MMO, Free Realms MMO, DC Online MMO)
-Added BigBig studios in 2007 (Pursuit Force series)
-And the big one at the start of this gen, Guerilla Games in 2005 I think it was (Killzone 2)

This is a big reason why I don't get annoyed with MS securing exclusives. I mean Sony has been securing entire dev teams...

AnonymousB

07-22-2008, 02:01

I agree with that sony is quite desperate, showing new games in the far future and making steal the spotlights from the real games this fall. Sony has a good line-up starting within 2 months, but it's safe to say that microsoft has a solid line-up, with good games, and most likely some unannouced surprises (like bioshock last year)

Sony's E3 would have been stellar if MAG was announced for 2008, now it became the hit of the future and pretty much stole all attention away from the real games.

Last year everyone shouted that 2008 would be the year of the ps3. To date I cannot agree with that. It's not really 360's year either but with 2.4 crash, gta4 brick, home delayed and kz2 delayed this year pretty much fails for sony. We'll judge again 31st of decembre.

STLunat1K

07-22-2008, 03:10

STLunat1K

07-22-2008, 03:12

This was fun even thou i did get an infraction it's cool, you 360 owners are ok...a little defensive but ok. In the begining i was just trying to point out that really if you take a step back an look at what im saying and let it sink in for min. before erupting in rage you will see that it kinda makes sense. GOW and Halo have been at every E3 since the lauch of the 360 if not at the same time then taking turns each year ex. GOW1 was 2 years ago and Halo 3 then the release of Halo 3 last Sept. and last year E3 show and this year GOW2 and Halo wars. Im just saying is it possible that MS told Bungie to hold off on the announcement till later so next year at E3 they would have something big to show. Now before you start pelting me with rocks think about it. It has to makes some kind of sense. I really don't think MS can go into an E3 show with out some kind of Halo or GOW game or rumor. Do you think they could still steal the show with out a GOW or Halo game in there presentation? I never intended this to turn ugly and it should never ever get to be negative in any way because everyone here is entitled to there opinon to an extent. Maybe somewhere down the line something was said that caused evasive action but that not what i intended. Simply in my own opinon i feel that MS 360 with as many games as they have how many are actually worth buying minus multiplats and GOW and Halo? How many 360 exclusive games have the replay value of those 2 games? Do you think the 360 would even be a contender in the next gen war of consoles if there were no GOW or HALO?

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 03:52

Do you think the 360 would even be a contender in the next gen war of consoles if there were no GOW or HALO?
Honestly, I do. Shooters are not the, "end all, be all" of video games.

mynd

07-22-2008, 04:39

Simply in my own opinon i feel that MS 360 with as many games as they have how many are actually worth buying minus multiplats and GOW and Halo? How many 360 exclusive games have the replay value of those 2 games? Do you think the 360 would even be a contender in the next gen war of consoles if there were no GOW or HALO?

Well, one could argue without GT5 and MGS4 Sony would be screwed.
I know a lot of PS3 fans like to talk about Motostorm 2 and Resistance 2, but the issue is they where never Ps2 franchises.
So they will never drive console sales. You may as well be discussing Viva Piniata 2. And Resistance, was solid game, but nothing fantastic.

Initially, Sony was walking into this generation with MGS4, GT5, FFXIII, GTA IV.
Now they are left with MGS4 and GT5 to pull the punter from the PS2.

Ironically, by the time GT5 hits the shelves, we maybe looking at 4(PGR3/4 -Forza 3/4) top shelf 360 racers already been and gone.

If you into RPG's, then hands down the 360 has slaughtered the PS3 this generation, absolutely destroyed it.

So I'm not sure where people see the PS3's strengths, it's currently not in racing, it's not in JRPG's, and it's certainly not shooters.

So I ask you, what type of genres do you actually like?
You clearly not a car racing fan, or an RPG fan.

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 04:46

I personally prefer any GT game over any racer released on the Xbox as of yet.

Rareware

07-22-2008, 04:47

I really don't think MS can go into an E3 show with out some kind of Halo or GOW game or rumor.

Do tell us about the PS3's system sellers and what Sony did to rock E3 this year.

Once your done, I'll do the same for MS.

Also, we're curious what type of games the PS3 should be purchased for.

mynd

07-22-2008, 04:50

I personally prefer any GT game over any racer released on the Xbox as of yet.

How could you prefer PS2 racers over Xbox360 racers?

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 05:03

How could you prefer PS2 racers over Xbox360 racers?
GT4 has one of the most polished driving models ever put into a video game. It also has tons and tons of cars, and I could play it forever.

PGR is a fun series, but it isn't GT. Forza is a bore-fest, let me leave it at that.

skarekrow

07-22-2008, 05:04

Do tell us about the PS3's system sellers and what Sony did to rock E3 this year.

Once your done, I'll do the same for MS.

Also, we're curious what type of games the PS3 should be purchased for.

Killzone 2's Multiplayer information (finally) is one and MAG, being the MMOCS that it is would be the second off of the top of my head. I dont understand why you people cant just except that they all had good showings dependent on ones taste... Get off of the "my **** is bigger than yours" kick and enjoy the games coming out, If you dont have a particular console and cant enjoy said games, who's fault is that? Yours, not sonys, not microsofts and not nintendos.

Knock it off, its getting tiresome.

EDIT: Im not just talking to you Rareware, im talking to all of the fanboys and girls that say "well my system has (insert list here)", so please, dont take it personally.

mynd

07-22-2008, 05:06

GT4 has one of the most polished driving models ever put into a video game. It also has tons and tons of cars, and I could play it forever.

PGR is a fun series, but it isn't GT. Forza is a bore-fest, let me leave it at that.

Hopefully Forza 3 will let you play with some more car's.
Whats so boring about Forza 2?? I liked it, and this is from a guy who played GT2 till my brother PS broke :)

Killzone 2's Multiplayer information (finally) is one and MAG, being the MMOCS that it is would be the second off of the top of my head. I dont understand why you people cant just except that they all had good showings dependent on ones taste... Get off of the "my **** is bigger than yours" kick and enjoy the games coming out, If you dont have a particular console and cant enjoy said games, who's fault is that? Yours, not sonys, not microsofts and not nintendos.

Knock it off, its getting tiresome.

EDIT: Im not just talking to you Rareware, im talking to all of the fanboys and girls that say "well my system has (insert list here)", so please, dont take it personally.

Well, online play is a very important factor for people these days. MAG is a loog way off. And I am concerned by how they are going to pull it off

As you point gaming is a personal preference, genres are not however..

arthur

07-22-2008, 05:19

We have seen gameplay videos of Resistance 2, MotorStorm 2 and Little Big Planet and Socom. Sony announced games coming out this year and showed gameplay videos. They do that....but I guess some of these titles aren't titles you are interested in?

You seem to think Sony does not have anything else to show later. There is still Leipzig and TGS. Leipzig for European developers (Sony does have development houses there) and TGS. If that is what you think, how can I change your opinion? I can't say anything about what Sony has later on for those conferences but I am not going to assume that they don't have anything based on my observations.

PSN titles aren't restricted by the things XBLA games are restricted by. PSN titles can be as big as some 360 retail games. Warhawk is a PS3/PSN title. SOCOM is a PS3/PSN title, it is still part of the PS3 library.

So both consoles had titles for this year, that's great. You think the PS3's weaker, I don't share your opinion.

If you agreed to that, I am not sure why we are still arguing....but Sony is running their games division and Microsoft is running their's, you agree with the way Microsoft does things and I think what Sony does is fine.

I can't change your opinion. You think the PS3's line-up is weaker. That is what you think.

This year, the PS3 had enough games to satisfy someone who has it....and it has enough exclusives to satisfy a new owner.

good for you. doesnt change facts, now does it?

I wasn't evading it. That's a good point but it wasn't something I was talking about in the first place. I thought you were disagreeing with me about Sony's E3 conference, about how they didn't show anything coming out this year which is why I kept arguing. I can't answer that for you but I have no problem with Sony showing titles coming out in the future. For example, I was excited to see the teaser trailer for God of War 3. that's one of my favorite games. I am happy to see announced.the point you arent getting and that a lot of people are trying to tell you is this, a bird at hand is better than two in the bush.

people would rather have announcements made, and those games delivered, that announcements made and games not delivered.

that said and done, MS could show 7 games and deliver 6, sony could show 6 and deliver 2, bird at hand sainraja, bird at hand

sainraja

07-22-2008, 05:24

I think some of you guys are selling Sony short but oh well and arthur, the games I am referring to that Sony showed, are coming out this year so.....wouldn't you say they are delivering?

Microsoft showed Banjo early on....but it's coming out this year. Sony may have more titles they announced....but the line-up Sony has for this year is fine if you ask me.

skulpt

07-22-2008, 05:32

MAG is a loog way off. And I am concerned by how they are going to pull it off

That's what I like to call advancing gaming. I've seen wayyyy too much playing it safe with Halo 2.5, GT5:P with no damage, and so on.

Aim high is what I say. :) Be thankful guys like Peter are trying things that other RPGs don't in Fable 2, or that Kojima looked at cinematics and pretty much set the bar so high that guys like Cliffy B couldn't even see it, or that a small dev team is pushing the idea of sand box to another stratosphere in LittleBigPlanet.

I want teams to push things that make me wonder how the heck are they pulling this off? I also doubt APB with what they are trying to pull it off, but THANK YOU for trying it. These are the guys that are advancing gaming. :)

arthur

07-22-2008, 05:35

I think some of you guys are selling Sony short but oh well and arthur, the games I am referring to that Sony showed, are coming out this year so.....wouldn't you say they are delivering?
motorstorm 2, R2, LBP, they all look killa app material, all.
fable 2, gears 2, banjo, left 4 dead, viva pinata, and a few other titles out there also look killa app. so its a question of who has more depth in quality regardless ofg what appeals to you? who is it?

logical answer is the 360, and you dont have to be a hardcore fan to see that

Microsoft showed Banjo early on....but it's coming out this year. Sony may have more titles they announced....but the line-up Sony has for this year is fine if you ask me.again, MS my show 7 and deliver 6, its the ratio we are looking at, Sony announces how many games every year and hoiw many make it out? do a search, i can tell you some interesting answers and figures await you, on E3 alone, there was MAG, DC universe, killzone 2, infamous and god of war 3, and heavy rain closed door, and thats straight of the top of my head.

so am i selling Sony short or being unfair? am i being negative at their delivery rate?
stop being such a hardcore fan, and start seeing things as they are

sainraja

07-22-2008, 06:03

motorstorm 2, R2, LBP, they all look killa app material, all.
fable 2, gears 2, banjo, left 4 dead, viva pinata, and a few other titles out there also look killa app. so its a question of who has more depth in quality regardless ofg what appeals to you? who is it?

logical answer is the 360, and you dont have to be a hardcore fan to see that
again, MS my show 7 and deliver 6, its the ratio we are looking at, Sony announces how many games every year and hoiw many make it out? do a search, i can tell you some interesting answers and figures await you, on E3 alone, there was MAG, DC universe, killzone 2, infamous and god of war 3, and heavy rain closed door, and thats straight of the top of my head.

so am i selling Sony short or being unfair? am i being negative at their delivery rate?
stop being such a hardcore fan, and start seeing things as they are

Resistance 2, MotorStorm 2, Little Big Planet, SOCOM are titles coming out this year. You listed 5, I listed four....difference of one. Both consoles have a good line-up....but the PS3 line-up appeals to me.

And I don't have a problem with Sony announcing games coming out later if they also show games coming out close to their announcements and they did do that this E3.

I don't think we'll agree. I like Sony's line-up. I have nothing against the 360's line-up. If people like the line-up of 360 better, that's great. If they like both, that's even better. I happen to prefer the PS3's.

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 06:06

If you are going to add Viva Pinata to the 360's list. You should re-consider listing Ratchet and Clank: Quest for Booty and SOCOM. You can't put them aside because they also happen to be available on PSN.
I won't get into this, but Viva Pinata is a damn good, full blown game. It is in a different league than those PSN titles.

I don't we'll agree. I like Sony's line-up. I have nothing against the 360's line-up. If people like the line-up of 360 better, that's great. If they like both, that's even better. I happen to prefer the PS3's which is the reason I still own it.
Yes, this is really going nowhere on either side.

Round and round and round....

sainraja

07-22-2008, 06:09

I won't get into this, but Viva Pinata is a damn good, full blown game. It is in a different league than those PSN titles.

Yes, this is really going nowhere on either side.

Round and round and round....

You saw my post before the edit, I decided not to include that part since I have tried the demo of the first. It wasn't bad....but it didn't do much for me.

SOCOM is similar to Warhawk, similar as in it focuses on multiplayer and if Warhawk is any indication, I think it will be great.

And yes, it's been going round and round. =/

mynd

07-22-2008, 06:22

Well, If i look at my 360 collection, it consists of RPG's and racers, and a couple of shooters.

When I say racers, I mean PGR3, PGR 4, Forza 2, Need for speed Carbon, Burnout Paradise: I cannot find a similar mix on the PS3.

When I say RPG's, I mean Blue Dragon, Mass Effect , Lost Odyssey and Oblivion: I cannot find a similar mix on the PS3.

When I say shooters, I mean COD4, Halo 3, The Darkness, Graw II, Rainbow Six Vegas 2: Ironically I think I could find a similar mix on the PS3, if not now, I soon will be able.

I still think Sony are sorely lacking in some genres, and 2 motostorm games do not detract from the fact that you still can't play a full sized racer.

Yes, sure MAG holds promise, I think Sony have focused a lot of shooters this time around. LBP is different, but the rest of Sony's offering are too far off for me to consider the purchase of a PS3 at this point.

When GT5 and may be a few exclusive RPG's turn up on the PS3, on top of KZ2. They will get my money.

Outrage

07-22-2008, 11:37

Why are they in a whole different league?

I think it's a matter of substance. While there are a hell of a lot more XBLA games than PSN games, the PSN games just feel more varied, creative, and complete. XBLA games tend to be more retro and/or rehashed. In short, I think PSN games better define themselves as new titles. They don't just feel like a "blast from the past" or a "boardgame revisited" so to speak.

Rareware

07-22-2008, 12:11

Killzone 2's Multiplayer information (finally) is one and MAG, being the MMOCS that it is would be the second off of the top of my head. I dont understand why you people cant just except that they all had good showings dependent on ones taste... Get off of the "my **** is bigger than yours" kick and enjoy the games coming out, If you dont have a particular console and cant enjoy said games, who's fault is that? Yours, not sonys, not microsofts and not nintendos.

Knock it off, its getting tiresome.

EDIT: Im not just talking to you Rareware, im talking to all of the fanboys and girls that say "well my system has (insert list here)", so please, dont take it personally.

This post was directed at STLuna. I wanted to get his opinion. He keeps dissing on MS and their E3 showing, I wanted him to point out what he thought was so great about Sony's.

IMO, both could were on par with each other. Neither was bad, but neither stellar. I did not intend to sound like him, although I guess I did. :shock:

skarekrow

07-22-2008, 13:58

This post was directed at STLuna. I wanted to get his opinion. He keeps dissing on MS and their E3 showing, I wanted him to point out what he thought was so great about Sony's.

IMO, both could were on par with each other. Neither was bad, but neither stellar. I did not intend to sound like him, although I guess I did. :shock:

I know, I was directing it at him too, Im also aware that he started it. The reason I quoted you is because I knew you would understand without jumping into the "youre an (insert some random name for a fanboy here)" insult and flamebait. Thats why I made it a point to not single you out.

arthur

07-22-2008, 16:06

Resistance 2, MotorStorm 2, Little Big Planet, SOCOM are titles coming out this year. You listed 5, I listed four....difference of one. Both consoles have a good line-up....but the PS3 line-up appeals to me.

And I don't have a problem with Sony announcing games coming out later if they also show games coming out close to their announcements and they did do that this E3.

I don't think we'll agree. I like Sony's line-up. I have nothing against the 360's line-up. If people like the line-up of 360 better, that's great. If they like both, that's even better. I happen to prefer the PS3's.and your post in no way tackles any of the issues i have raised

skulpt

07-22-2008, 17:02

arthur

07-22-2008, 17:11

:snickerdid rare make party animals?
i think you need to do some research before you post, i think microsoft game studios published it, and krome studios was the developer :idea:.

stop clutching at straws buddy

and why does rare need to prove themselves? they are doing and faring better than most debvelopers are doing up there and faring well on reviews, i might add

Rareware

07-22-2008, 17:19

How about looking at the whole year of 2008 instead...

2008 up to this point for:

360: 1 exclusive game that has cracked 80% (NG2 at 82.5%)

PS3: 5 exclusive games that have cracked 80% (MGS4 with 92.4% is highest)

How about comparing the systems at the same time frame in their lifespan? You need to compare apples & apples not apples & oranges.

I'm not sure what happened to you Brian, but you used to be very unbiased and middle of the road. For the past 2 months that has changed drastically. your PS3 bias is really coming through these days.

skulpt

07-22-2008, 17:28

did rare make party animals?
i think you need to do some research before you post, i think microsoft game studios published it, and krome studios was the developer.

stop clutching at straws buddy

Just curious what you think about the part of my post that you ignored? Can you admit that the PS3 has had a better start to 2008 with 5 exclusives that have cracked 80% and the 360 barely getting one game at 82.5%? ;)

arthur

07-22-2008, 17:31

Just curious what you think about the part of my post that you ignored? Can you admit that the PS3 has had a better start to 2008 with 5 exclusives that have cracked 80% and the 360 barely getting one game at 82.5%? ;)now, i didnt comment on it because i didnt have the facts, so i chose to hold my peace.
better that than make an idiot of myself, that said and done, you could always furnish me with the details

sainraja

07-22-2008, 17:36

and your post in no way tackles any of the issues i have raised

You think it is better for a company to show what they have on offer that is coming out soon or the same year they announce it. You prefer Microsoft's current line-up. Don't associate me with the people who were saying Microsoft has nothing to offer this year. I am not one of them.

I like what the PS3 has to offer and the biggest thing going for the PS3 in my opinion is that it has free online play. No commitments or anything. The games coming in the fall are games I am interested in. Not all of them I will be able to get but if I could I would. You seem to think otherwise, that's fine. I can respect that.

You also like Microsoft's strategy better. You think Sony is nervous because they have to show what they have in the future. You believe they shouldn't have to show what they have in the future and should just focus on what they are releasing this year. Your opinion on Sony is very negative and very positive for Microsoft. I don't think I missed anything now did I?

I am okay with what Sony has done this year. They showed what's coming next year and this year.

We're not going to agree. We're going in circles as tmacfan pointed out.

arthur

07-22-2008, 17:50

You think it is better for a company to show what they have on offer that is coming out soon or the same year they announce it. to me as a consumer, it definately makes more sense, i have honestly given my reasons as to why i like it like that

You prefer Microsoft's current line-up. Don't associate me with the people who were saying Microsoft has nothing to offer this year. I am not one of them.have i even tried? that thought never crossed my mind

I like what the PS3 has to offer and the biggest thing going for the PS3 in my opinion is that it has free online play.and we ended this discussion a long time ago

No commitments or anything. The games coming in the fall are games I am interested in. Not all of them I will be able to get but if I could I would. You seem to think otherwise, that's fine. I can respect that.my friend Sospeter is an avid man utd supporter, deas that mean he shouldnt accept the fact that there are some other great soccer teams out there? hell no.

i have been saying this for ages, games dont have to appeal to anyone to be great, FF, motorstorm, lost oddysey and a whole load of other titles dont appeal to me, but i am one of the many that will always agree that they are top notch stuff.

You also like Microsoft's strategy better. You think Sony is nervous because they have to show what they have in the future.

You believe they shouldn't have to show what they have in the future and should just focus on what they are releasing this year. Your opinion on Sony is very negative and very positive for Microsoft. I don't think I missed anything now did I?i gave reasons as to why i liked this and that, gave reasons as to why i saw Sony taking the strides they took at this years E3, the delivery ratio as it were. you on the other hand are yelling without addressing anything, now have i missed a point?

I am okay with what Sony has done this year. They showed what's coming next year and this year.
and good for yah

We're not going to agree. We're going in circles as tmacfan pointed out.debates are not there for people to agree, they are there for points to be made.
i have made my points, you arent trying to address anything that i said

sainraja

07-22-2008, 17:53

to me as a consumer, it definately makes more sense, i have honestly given my reasons as to why i like it like that
have i even tried? that thought never crossed my mind
and we ended this discussion a long time ago
my friend Sospeter is an avid man utd supporter, deas that mean he shouldnt accept the fact that there are some other great soccer teams out there? hell no.

i have been saying this for ages, games dont have to appeal to anyone to be great, FF, motorstorm, lost oddysey and a whole load of other titles dont appeal to me, but i am one of the many that will always agree that they are top notch stuff.

i gave reasons as to why i liked this and that, gave reasons as to why i saw Sony taking the strides they took at this years E3, the delivery ratio as it were. you on the other hand are yelling without addressing anything, now have i missed a point?

and good for yah
debates are not there for people to agree, they are there for points to be made.
i have made my points, you arent trying to address anything that i said

You kept saying I didn't understand your point. I understood it. I don't agree with it.

I am not trying to change your opinion....but what I was trying to point out originally was that Sony did show games for this fall when that was being ignored. You already agreed to this, if I had realized that earlier, we probably wouldn't have been arguing.

And I wasn't playing down Microsoft's line-up. I was trying to say Sony's line-up isn't bad either. So, I would say that I am recognizing other great "soccer" teams.

arthur

07-22-2008, 17:56

You kept saying I didn't understand your point. I understood it. I don't agree with it.
now that you got it, wouldnt it be great if you showed reasons as to why you dont agree with it instead of making wild insinuations?

I am not trying to change your opinion....but what I was trying to point out originally was that Sony did show games for this fall when that was being ignored. You already agreed to this, if I had realized that earlier, we probably wouldn't have been arguing.neither am i? am i?

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 18:17

Round and round and round...

No-one is going to change any opinions.

Soldier 95B

07-22-2008, 18:37

Looking at 2008 as a whole, the PS3 is offering a very nice roundup of games IMO, as is the 360. But the PS3 has had a way better start to 2008. And while Rare does look to be bringing some coolness with Banjo K and a good game in VP, Rare's last offering in VP: Party animals resulted in a game that averaged something like 57%. Rare still has a LOT to prove. Relying on a game based on a kids show and a perhaps awkward vehicle based gameplay mechanic doesn't exactly give me oozing confidence that that Rare lineup will be providing AAA quality. Fable 2 and Gears 2 though are killer IMO.

I would have to say with the game to console ratio at almost 8 games per Xbox 360 in 2008, the 360 has had the best year so far, including selling more games than the Wii and PS3 combined. Exclusives don't make a console. Availablity of numerous good games does.

BTW, the Viva Pinata cartoon was made after the game (from the game).

STLunat1K

07-22-2008, 19:15

Soldier 95B

07-22-2008, 19:20

MS and SONY have different fan bases. Im noticing now that XBOX 360 seems like it appeals more to kids and teens, my opinon from when i had a 360 few months back. Now that i have a PS3 i notice almost no trash talking, everyone chats instead of yelling and cursing and shouting racial slurs which i use to hear everytime i was on XBOX LIVE. It seems like theres an older and when i mean older like ages 24+ which is cool cause im laid back and thats how the online experince is on PSN. Im always on playing COD4, Battlefield, RB6V2, UT3, MGO, Tekken, and Warhawk.

I would have to disagree 100%. I hear endless smack talk, racial slurs, yelling and attacking on the PSN when I am playing online all the dang time. Whether it's Metal Gear Online, GT5p, Rainbow Six Vegas...you name it. Non stop. I think both the PS3 and 360 appeal to teens equally.

STLunat1K

07-22-2008, 19:54

I would have to disagree 100%. I hear endless smack talk, racial slurs, yelling and attacking on the PSN when I am playing online all the dang time. Whether it's Metal Gear Online, GT5p, Rainbow Six Vegas...you name it. Non stop. I think both the PS3 and 360 appeal to teens equally.

Well DANG that sucks for you! I never encounter any of that when im on which is good for me and i guess bad for u. Don't know what to tell ya, buy a 360 i guess.:DD

Naxi

07-22-2008, 20:04

Well DANG that sucks for you! I never encounter any of that when im on which is good for me and i guess bad for u. Don't know what to tell ya, buy a 360 i guess.:DDI've never encountered them on Live and i've played Halo a lot.I guess i'm lucky. Something like that is a small downside of having a bundled mic with the console though.

STLunat1K

07-22-2008, 20:35

I've never encountered them on Live and i've played Halo a lot.I guess i'm lucky. Something like that is a small downside of having a bundled mic with the console though.

Yeah you are lucky, stuff like that should come with a heavy penalty if your paying the $50 a year to be on xbox live. Nobody wants to hear that s**t.

Silver&black_Attack

07-22-2008, 21:06

Yeah you are lucky, stuff like that should come with a heavy penalty if your paying the $50 a year to be on xbox live. Nobody wants to hear that s**t.Childish behavior is a part of online gaming in almost every game and every platform from time to time, on LIVE i suggest you get a friends list with more mature gamers that don't act like jack*sses and use your mute and report button on the 9 year old potty mouth types.

tmacfan4321

07-22-2008, 21:13

Childish behavior is a part of online gaming in almost every game and every platform from time to time, on LIVE i suggest you get a friends list with more mature gamers that don't act like jack*sses and use your mute and report button on the 9 year old potty mouth types.
LOL, the 9 year olds aren't the problem. It's the pre-pubescents, eg. 10-12. You run into them more than the younger ones.

Xaor

07-22-2008, 21:14

One big pluspoint for the multi-person chat is that you can talk to your whole team without getting the idiots...

The idiots are everywhere. I actually enjoy toying with them up to a point, so it's not the worst thing ever.

Soldier 95B

07-22-2008, 21:16

Childish behavior isn't just online, it's rampant in the real world, worldwide. Freedom of speech and the open airwaves. It's nothing that isn't being said every day...be it in schools, at work, online, offline. It's something I just got used to, and my fingers aren't broken....so I can click the mute button in seconds.

Sparc

07-22-2008, 21:39

I've just come off BF:BC. The first few matches were with a really cool bunch in the squad I was in. Tons of talking, working together. The last match I played I was thrown into a squad of pubescent Frenchies and omg they never took a freakin breath the entire match. I swear to god it was just one long blah blah blah le blah. I muted them all lol

Silver&black_Attack

07-22-2008, 21:52

LOL, the 9 year olds aren't the problem. It's the pre-pubescents, eg. 10-12. You run into them more than the younger ones.Yea, your probably right, those spoiled brat little guys that get everything handed to them by there parents.

mynd

07-22-2008, 23:04

How about looking at the whole year of 2008 instead...

2008 up to this point for:

360: 1 exclusive game that has cracked 80% (NG2 at 82.5%)

PS3: 5 exclusive games that have cracked 80% (MGS4 with 92.4% is highest)

Looking at 2008 as a whole, the PS3 is offering a very nice roundup of games IMO, as is the 360. But the PS3 has had a way better start to 2008. And while Rare does look to be bringing some coolness with Banjo K and a good game in VP, Rare's last offering in VP: Party animals resulted in a game that averaged something like 57%. Rare still has a LOT to prove. Relying on a game based on a kids show and a perhaps awkward vehicle based gameplay mechanic doesn't exactly give me oozing confidence that that Rare lineup will be providing AAA quality. Fable 2 and Gears 2 though are killer IMO.

Rare didn't make VP: Party Animals, Krome in Australia did, and it's ok for a party game.My kids love it.
Vivia Piniata was agame first that was devloped into a kids show, BTW.

The 360 has more titles released on it this year than the PS3, and while every one isn't a "stunner", it's actually more diverse than sports titles and Singstar.

There are some fairly avergae wesatern RPG's in the 360 mix, but some bold RTS's as well.
There is nothing like that released this year on the PS3.

Just because a game doesn't follow a formula, it doesn't mean it wont find a niche crowd.