View Full Version : Will Revolution Play Spoiler to PlayStation 3's Dominance?!
okay, i think we all agree that ps3 is gonna sell out at launch, and that there will probably be shortages for a few months. they'll hit 10 million consoles the first year easily if they can make the supply.
but i'm thinking long term, beyond the first or second year. okay, the ps2 sold 100 million consoles while the ps3 is aimed to sell 200 million. one thing the worked in ps2's advantage was the head start + game library + loyal fans + competitive price.
i believe the xbox was the most expensive when released and the gamecube wasn't much cheaper, therefore ps2 dominated.
but this time, revolution may come out at around $150-$250. That could be a THIRD to HALF of ps3's price! that's a HUGE difference. if i'm a parent, i'm gonna be looking at the revolution VERY SERIOUSLY.
whats more, it could end up being buying a revolution PLUS 360 may not be much more than geting ONE ps3. obviously if the rev was $150 that's gonna be trouble, but even at $250, getting both that and 360 would still be $650 EVEN IF the 360 doesn't reduce its price as expected.
so from a cost standpoint, its gonna look REALL attractive to get a rev, whether on its own or with the 360.
of course ps3 is better and has blu-ray and all the features, but realistically i'm worried that nintendo is gonna cause a lot of trouble. and im just talking america, who knows if they just really take off in japan like the ds vs. psp.
i see this as kinda like the u.s. presidential elections. remember how ross perot was the spoiler and basically gave the election to clinton by taking votes away from bush sr? same as nadar took votes from gore and let bush jr win?
this next-gen race may not be about majority anymore, but just plain who has most market share. if M$ gets up to 40% i think its gonna be really bad since they have so much ca$h and can then probably strongarm or entice some of the games developers into 360 exclusives and such.
man, i was looking forward to getting the rev but now i wonder if i would be supporting m$ if i did so?
Itaintrite
03-22-2006, 08:52
I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.
ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!:?
I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
ps2 sold 100 million in 5 years, and yet the ps3 is aimed to see double that. so you would think the conditions need to be even greater than last gen, right?
but like i pointed out, the rev could be the serious spoiler this time. not only will it be at least 50% the price, maybe even less, but that buying the rev PLUS the 360 may not be that much more than the ps3.
so sure, the hardcore ps fans like us are gonna get the ps3 no matter what. but i think the majority of buyers are not hardcore and they do care how much they spend.
revolution unfortunately looks like much more of a value proposition, and while i dont think rev will sell more than ps3, i think it can help ps3 lose A LOT of market share to the 360.
VariableEntity
03-22-2006, 09:39
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.
I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.
gargamelo
03-22-2006, 09:52
if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.
I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.
if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3
yes it's true that if a console like ps3 has great games that people would support it, but i think it has to be more like EXCLUSIVE games.
now we all know the ps3 will have exclusives of most of our favorite titles, that's why ps2 is so great. but what i'm concerned about is exactly how long thats gonna last.
what if the rev starts gaining enough market share it starts to approach equalizing the share between ps3, rev and 360? remember ps2 had 70% market share, and this provided enough incentive for games publishers to keep being ps2 exclusive.
but lets say sony gets cut down to 50% because of rev. do you think game developers will still be so keen to launch titles only for ps3?
of course i hope so but i think the increasing competition between developers for game sales is gonna cut a number of exclusives we're used to for the ps2. more and more franchises are gonna be multi-platform so that evens out the console playing field even more.
i just hope sony has more tricks up their sleve or can entice developers with more profit sharing to keep up the exclusive titles, otherwise not only will it hurt sony but it will be bad for us ps3 gamers as well.
PS3 rocks
03-22-2006, 11:06
I highly doubt the REV will do much to hurt the PS3 i mean this gen the Rev is behind hardware wise and people will see a difference in the graphic's though you have a good point about parent's seeing that the REV is a cheat next gen console compared to the PS3 but little kids can't see everything when they look into the gaming world they want the best.
So when they decide they will think hey the PS3 and 360 look way better thats what i want for christmas/birthday whatever. Most parent's wouldn't want to disapoint their kids. Everyone knows that if the REV sells out than the PS3 will too sales will look good for REV because they sold all their units but as the 2007 goes on the PS3's probably won't decline for a long time while the REV's won't sell nearly the same ammout as the PS3
so thats my prediction
It's really up to Microsoft...they determine how the next-gen hardcore gamer race will go...the Revolution really doesn't matter in that area of attraction to the hardcore gamer...it will have different games that will try to cater to everyone and their dog...it's only relevent because it's another video-game console but with a twist obviously. Pardon the pun... :lol: :wink:
To me Microsoft are giving Sony a run for their money with the 360...atleast in the US and Europe. I think Sony will have it really hard in Japan...the Revolution is pretty much guaranteed the same success if not more than the DS over there. If anyone wants to argue other-wise be my guest but I think Nintendo are pretty much assured success in Japan. The Revolution equals quirky and weird and that sells in Jpan. In US and Europe I feel it will be a different story...the Revolution will be behind the PS3 and 360...in sales.
If gamers want a change then the Revolution will be competitive...but me personally I feel there are too many people who just want the same games with better graphics...and thus that formula will prevail over different and more unique games on offer by Nintendo's Revolution.
That said...alot of people are planning to get the Revolution as a 2nd console to their 360 or PS3...so that's a bit of a grey area in terms of what that translates into...
REV will sell good, because most people want the REV as their second console. I see the REV selling very well in Japan, the only place where REV can outsell the ps3.
VariableEntity
03-22-2006, 11:33
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
The sales of the PS3 will last as long as there is good software support for it, just like it did with the PS2, and the PS1 before it. As long as the developers support a specific console and release games that people want to play for it, the console will continue selling.
I'm not even going to try and make projections and guesses about how a console that's not even on sale and doesn't have a confirmed RRP yet is going to do 2 years down the line atm since there's no way of knowing that yet, it's all just going to be personal opinions and speculation anyway.
if the games are great and have fantastic new cutting edge space graphics and there is lots and lots of them pricing will never be an issue for success. specially if the console itself has far more features than the competitors.
what on other hand could fail the PS3 would be if to few games would arrive in time and start seeing developers cancel releases. but im pretty sure that wont happen to ps3
yes it's true that if a console like ps3 has great games that people would support it, but i think it has to be more like EXCLUSIVE games.
now we all know the ps3 will have exclusives of most of our favorite titles, that's why ps2 is so great. but what i'm concerned about is exactly how long thats gonna last.
what if the rev starts gaining enough market share it starts to approach equalizing the share between ps3, rev and 360? remember ps2 had 70% market share, and this provided enough incentive for games publishers to keep being ps2 exclusive.
but lets say sony gets cut down to 50% because of rev. do you think game developers will still be so keen to launch titles only for ps3?
of course i hope so but i think the increasing competition between developers for game sales is gonna cut a number of exclusives we're used to for the ps2. more and more franchises are gonna be multi-platform so that evens out the console playing field even more.
i just hope sony has more tricks up their sleve or can entice developers with more profit sharing to keep up the exclusive titles, otherwise not only will it hurt sony but it will be bad for us ps3 gamers as well.True, exclusive content for each console is important, but regardless of market share etc, I have a feeling that exclusive content for the next gen consoles will be more of a situation of which company (Sony/MS/Nintendo) offers devs the most lucrative deals to make exclusive content for their system, with the market share of the console playing a smaller part than it did before.
With the cost of game development going skyhigh, and it's just going to keep going up with the next gen systems since they are capable of doing so much more, so more stuff can be added into games (and I'm not just referring to prettier visuals), developers will be looking at the best way to recover as much of the development costs for a game and make a profit so they can stay in business and make more games by going multi-platform, unless MS/Sony/Nintendo makes it worth their while not to do that with specific titles. Going multi-platform is just another way for devs to ensure that they have the biggest pontential unit sales for a title at the end of the day.
We're still just speculating here tho, anything is possible in the future, but I'm pretty sure that we dont need to worry about ending up not having any quality games to play, regardless of the console we choose at the end of the day.
I don't know how anyone could wants a revolution after gamecube...
I, myself am gonna get both i hope. 8)
Will Revolution Play Spoiler to PlayStation 3's Dominance?!
:lol: to put it simple NO.
Nintendo have got to the point where they're a sub console for the household and the price range reflects upon that.
People are going to choose either PS3 or Xbox 360 (because their exclusives are so similar), and have the cheap revolution right next to it.
It's highly unlikely people are going to choose either PS3 or Revolution and stick with just one.
True, exclusive content for each console is important, but regardless of market share etc, I have a feeling that exclusive content for the next gen consoles will be more of a situation of which company (Sony/MS/Nintendo) offers devs the most lucrative deals to make exclusive content for their system, with the market share of the console playing a smaller part than it did before.
erm... all of revolutions games are going to be exclusive to some extent the controller has not even a third of buttons a PS3 or Xbox 360 controller has....
Sony and MS are the ones who are going to have to find the lucrative deals, but a majority of Sony's exclusive content comes from third party titles.
Col. Peck3r
03-22-2006, 16:32
I will be buying all 3 systems (360 last though) and I am really looking forward to the Revolution, as much as PS3. Fuck the fanboys, they will miss out and that is fine with me. I love all great games equally, regardless of color, design, size, and even religion.
I will probly buy the PS3 first, but I won't wait in line. Did that for the PS2 launch and was 11th in line, but the store only had 10. Homie don't play that
Stoffinator
03-22-2006, 17:15
ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console........
I say that is people who have other stuff to pay. Like bills, family and so on. Not a fanboy. Although I don't see anything wrong with being a fan of one console and not liking the others. Just aslong as your not flaming the others or going onto boards and causing trouble and so on.
ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!:?
Damn right it didn't make any sense! Fanboys are people who can't afford more than one console? What if they have a PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP etc.? All by SONY, owning multiple consoles, yet could still be called a fanboy based on their attitude.
Anyway, as has already been pointed out, believe it or not some people (including myself) have financial commitments beyond just games, such as running a household and keeping the family happy and safe. Just the small things, ya' know.
On topic, there is no way I can see Revolution spoiling SONY's party. It's a complimentary product, not a competitor, and Nintendo know that. It's why they pulled out of the "power battle" and went for a product that is cheap enough, different enough, and appealing enough to entice all breeds of gamer (except the fanboys obviously). I know I'll be getting a Revolution as well as my PS3.
I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
ps2 sold 100 million in 5 years, and yet the ps3 is aimed to see double that. so you would think the conditions need to be even greater than last gen, right?
but like i pointed out, the rev could be the serious spoiler this time. not only will it be at least 50% the price, maybe even less, but that buying the rev PLUS the 360 may not be that much more than the ps3.
so sure, the hardcore ps fans like us are gonna get the ps3 no matter what. but i think the majority of buyers are not hardcore and they do care how much they spend.
revolution unfortunately looks like much more of a value proposition, and while i dont think rev will sell more than ps3, i think it can help ps3 lose A LOT of market share to the 360.
[quote="Itaintrite"]I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.
ppl say fanboys are ppl who can't afford more then one console
what you're worried about is the same reason why fanboys support only one console
and what I just wrote didn't make any sense what so ever!:?
Damn right it didn't make any sense! Fanboys are people who can't afford more than one console? What if they have a PS1, PS2, PS3, PSP etc.? All by SONY, owning multiple consoles, yet could still be called a fanboy based on their attitude.
Anyway, as has already been pointed out, believe it or not some people (including myself) have financial commitments beyond just games, such as running a household and keeping the family happy and safe. Just the small things, ya' know.
On topic, there is no way I can see Revolution spoiling SONY's party. It's a complimentary product, not a competitor, and Nintendo know that. It's why they pulled out of the "power battle" and went for a product that is cheap enough, different enough, and appealing enough to entice all breeds of gamer (except the fanboys obviously). I know I'll be getting a Revolution as well as my PS3.
yeah i really hope so. thats what i thought at first but the more i thought about it, the more i could see it as competition. nintendo is pretty smart, they probably want their competitors to think that they're not a threat (i mean both M$ and sony have said publicly they're not really competing with nintendo) and let 360 and ps3 focus on and try to kill each other. while at the same time, i think they're gonna sneak from behind and really surprise people.
just the pure fact that the price is gonna be around $150-$250. that's around or LESS THAN AN IPOD! and how many people have ipods?!!
it could seriously be a phenomenon. if say they really get an online platform going, they really could launch a revolution. now a lot of people play xbox live, but i dont think its reached any sort of critical mass. now lets say the rev sells like the ipod, that online could get ridiculous!
plus i disagree that most people would buy the rev AND the ps3 or 360. of course, anybody on this board would cuz we all love games, and enough to have an interest discusing them. but the majority of the general public who play are casual gamers, and they probably have other bigger interests. i'm quite confident that the large majority of gamers do not have more than one console in any one generation.
maybe i'm totally wrong, but i think sony needs to worry bigtime about the rev. with a price like that, they automatically install themselves as the price-leader of next-gen by a WIDE margin, which is always tough to beat for a competitor.
PS3!!!!!
03-22-2006, 23:38
I think revolution is behind in time coming out with dvd when everyone is going to blu-ray or hd-dvd. i know alot of people who want it but what is with that controller :lol:
IT will be worth buying a ps3 in the long run why?
1)Proccesing/Graphical power(Cell/Rsx)
2)Ability to be used as a computer(Linux possibly OS X)
3)Number of block buster titles(GTA, gran turismo, MANY more)
Umm….. No. If Microsoft is already having a hard time putting a dent to Sony's dominance, what makes you think Nintendo will be a problem? Maybe in Japan it will, but one country doesn’t determine the overall success of a console. (my opinion)
Umm….. No. If Microsoft is already having a hard time putting a dent to Sony's dominance, what makes you think Nintendo will be a problem? Maybe in Japan it will, but one country doesn’t determine the overall success of a console. (my opinion)
what makes me think? well all the reason i wrote above for starters.
plus i didn't say rev is gonna dominate ps3, i said it might take away its market share, and with good reason. but you're right, in japan it's gonna be tough for sony! :(
roxormyboxors
03-23-2006, 01:40
Who cares about marketshare. Buy the system(s) that you will have the most fun with. When I was a kid I didn't worry that my neighbor's Genesis was taking away Nintendo's marketshare. I played with my NES and his Genesis and had twice the fun.
stevefarfan
03-23-2006, 03:19
Revolution says it's not directly competing with ps3 or xbox360, so expect a different audience to play it. Hardcore fans will still go to it, and new gamers will flock to it too.
Who cares about marketshare. Buy the system(s) that you will have the most fun with. When I was a kid I didn't worry that my neighbor's Genesis was taking away Nintendo's marketshare. I played with my NES and his Genesis and had twice the fun.
that's funny, i heard your neighbor has been over your house "playing" with your wife! :lol:
seriously though, yeah its nice to be dumb and unaware sometimes but i think if sony starts losing marketshare, it might mean we're gonna get fewer exclusives for ps3, which DOES matter.
In my honest opinion, both 360 and Revolution will put a dent in Sony's market share, but I also believe Sony will still come out on top this generation. Either way, this generation will be an interesting one.
roxormyboxors
03-23-2006, 04:49
Who cares about marketshare. Buy the system(s) that you will have the most fun with. When I was a kid I didn't worry that my neighbor's Genesis was taking away Nintendo's marketshare. I played with my NES and his Genesis and had twice the fun.
that's funny, i heard your neighbor has been over your house "playing" with your wife! :lol:
seriously though, yeah its nice to be dumb and unaware sometimes but i think if sony starts losing marketshare, it might mean we're gonna get fewer exclusives for ps3, which DOES matter.
OMG you are right!!! lets start a PS3 awareness campaign and parade around town with "PS3 PWNZ" "M$ SUX" "REV4KIDZ" signs LOL LOL :lol:
Get real kiddo. PS3 games won't make it to the Revolution because it lacks the power. Revolution games won't make the PS3 because it lacks the new controller. So what if your exclusives make it to the 360. I'm pretty sure you don't hold stocks on any of these companies so it doesn't affect you even if you think it does. They all want your money. No company loves you more than the other. You'll get over it after you get a girl trust me.
You say you want exclusives? Which other console is going to have more exclusives than the Revolution because of that crazy controller? If you want a Revolution and don't get one the only person you are hurting is yourself. You miss out on the great new games and new experiences. You don't hurt MS. You don't help Sony. You are only a very tiny piece of the pie. Not even a crumb. Even if you don't own a 360 MS already has a lot of your money believe me.
Ricokillercon
03-23-2006, 04:49
It all depends on how people take to the controller. If its well received then yeah it will dent ps3 sales, but more so 360 sales (holiday can't find a ps3 get a cheap rev). But if the controller flops, the sytem will probably fade away slowly like GC.
Who cares about marketshare. Buy the system(s) that you will have the most fun with. When I was a kid I didn't worry that my neighbor's Genesis was taking away Nintendo's marketshare. I played with my NES and his Genesis and had twice the fun.
that's funny, i heard your neighbor has been over your house "playing" with your wife! :lol:
seriously though, yeah its nice to be dumb and unaware sometimes but i think if sony starts losing marketshare, it might mean we're gonna get fewer exclusives for ps3, which DOES matter.
OMG you are right!!! lets start a PS3 awareness campaign and parade around town with "PS3 PWNZ" "M$ SUX" "REV4KIDZ" signs LOL LOL :lol:
Get real kiddo. PS3 games won't make it to the Revolution because it lacks the power. Revolution games won't make the PS3 because it lacks the new controller. So what if your exclusives make it to the 360. I'm pretty sure you don't hold stocks on any of these companies so it doesn't affect you even if you think it does. You'll get over it after you get a girl trust me.
:D man i must have really touched a nerve! if u're really that insecure about ur wife maybe u should get off the computer and pay her some attention...dont forget to towel her off first! :lol:
but why are u even posting on this thread if u don't care? quit trolling like a baby and let us who do care discuss or join the fun!
It all depends on how people take to the controller. If its well received then yeah it will dent ps3 sales, but more so 360 sales (holiday can't find a ps3 get a cheap rev). But if the controller flops, the sytem will probably fade away slowly like GC.
thats true, yeah a lot depends on how good the controller is.
i'm hoping it flops but i'm not betting on it. i thought for sure the ds would die quickly after psp but i was wrong obviously. this time around i'm not gonna underestimate nintendo again.
roxormyboxors
03-23-2006, 06:14
:D man i must have really touched a nerve! if u're really that insecure about ur wife maybe u should get off the computer and pay her some attention...dont forget to towel her off first! :lol:
but why are u even posting on this thread if u don't care? quit trolling like a baby and let us who do care discuss or join the fun!
I'm just giving my opinion man. Imagine if every non-sonyfan were not allowed to post on these forums. These would be some very sad forums. Competition is good you know. If MS weren't in the console race you would probably not be getting such a powerful system. I'm not saying I'm against Sony but I'm not closed-minded. I'm most likely getting a PS3(mostly for Linux + home media server) + Revolution combo.
For a kid with a broken hand you sure do type a lot. and I'm not even married and girlfriends are a dime a dozen so don't even start there :lol:
man, i was looking forward to getting the rev but now i wonder if i would be supporting m$ if i did so?
i'm hoping it flops but i'm not betting on it. i thought for sure the ds would die quickly after psp but i was wrong obviously. this time around i'm not gonna underestimate nintendo again.
So you're looking forward to get one or you're hoping it flops? Which is it? I think you're the one that's trolling. You probably posted this to get a negative response out of people.
CashMoney
03-23-2006, 09:03
Here's the thing if Rev takes off... it's gonna hurt both... BUT... Sony can afford to take a hit out of their 100+million units sold... where MS, has to worry about their 20Million unit base moreso...
100M - 10M = 90M
20M - 10M = 10M
there... pretty simple math there...
It's designed as a complimentary system though, so i don't expect it to lay down that much of a hurting... but even a 1 million loss in MS userbase could be painful, and possibly the loss of 2nd place this time... we'll see...
Here's the thing if Rev takes off... it's gonna hurt both... BUT... Sony can afford to take a hit out of their 100+million units sold... where MS, has to worry about their 20Million unit base moreso...
100M - 10M = 90M
20M - 10M = 10M
there... pretty simple math there...
It's designed as a complimentary system though, so i don't expect it to lay down that much of a hurting... but even a 1 million loss in MS userbase could be painful, and possibly the loss of 2nd place this time... we'll see...
:lol:
I can't believe somebody can be so naive... :shock: Deary me where to start...
Most of those people that bought a PS2 console sold were casual gamers...not hardcore or people who are loyal to the PS brand...so don't mistake 100m converting to 100m+ for the PS3...Sony will definately have to work for it for the first time I feel since they decided to step into the console space...
Fact is...if those casuals walk into a store and see the 360 section has more games on offer then the PS3 section they'll most probably get a 360. They have no idea about power or features ect...If they are price conscience...and the PS3 costs more then the 360...then they will also most likely get a 360 as well...ofcourse it does depend on what they are looking for...so if they just want a game's console without any of the extra features like Blue-Ray then it will definately come to a price difference...Unless the graphics on the PS3 knock the 360's out of the water...thus allowing the consumer to really see the difference between the 2 console...
Sony has had the advantage of having the most games in the last 2 generations...they came out before the N64 and beat the pants off it and píss on it from a great height with it's software quantity...like-wise the PS2 came out before the GCN and X-Box allowing it to amass a large quantity of games and thus making the new consoles look inferior with it's lack of game selection...
But now we see that Sony might actually become the last console to launch...it would no longer have the advantage that had won it the console wars in the last 2 generations...so unless the PS3 launches with a large quantity of titles...and continue's the trend the PSX and PS2 started then Sony will definately lose out...
If you take the PSP vs DS situation...the PSP is struggling because it has very few AAA titles...where as the DS can boast AAA titles that knock the spots off the PSP...what's keeping it afloat is it's multi-media functionality...I like my PSP as I can play ROM's...I haven't purchased a game for the PSP since October...
Software sells Hardware...has always been the case. Hardware doesn't sell software...lets not forget that...to some people on these forums that might be the case but to everyone who just wants to play good games...it's the games that make them buy the hardware.
:D man i must have really touched a nerve! if u're really that insecure about ur wife maybe u should get off the computer and pay her some attention...dont forget to towel her off first! :lol:
but why are u even posting on this thread if u don't care? quit trolling like a baby and let us who do care discuss or join the fun!
I'm just giving my opinion man. Imagine if every non-sonyfan were not allowed to post on these forums. These would be some very sad forums. Competition is good you know. If MS weren't in the console race you would probably not be getting such a powerful system. I'm not saying I'm against Sony but I'm not closed-minded. I'm most likely getting a PS3(mostly for Linux + home media server) + Revolution combo.
For a kid with a broken hand you sure do type a lot. and I'm not even married and girlfriends are a dime a dozen so don't even start there :lol:
man, i was looking forward to getting the rev but now i wonder if i would be supporting m$ if i did so?
i'm hoping it flops but i'm not betting on it. i thought for sure the ds would die quickly after psp but i was wrong obviously. this time around i'm not gonna underestimate nintendo again.
So you're looking forward to get one or you're hoping it flops? Which is it? I think you're the one that's trolling. You probably posted this to get a negative response out of people.
cool, i like that u'll get the ps3, brokeback. jk, don't get all bent out of shape! :lol:
u took my coments out of order. i said iwas looking forwrd to getting a rev at first but now i have second thoughts cuz i see how it can affect sony. so yeah, i do want it to flop, certainly not succed like how ds did against psp.
but hey, don't obsess over me though ok? it was just a joke... :o
btw, has anyone SEEN THIS?!
http://www.gonintendo.com/files/nintenwarsrotshiggy2.gif
its kutaragi san vs. miyamoto san!!!!
holy crap, at gdc the nintendo president announced the rev will offer downloadable SEGA GENESIS and TURBOGRAFX-16 games! :evil:
im sure most of u have never heard of those consoles, they're way old, probably older than u but our parents played them.
i think nintendo is really gunning for sony here, making the rev like the ultimate gamer's gamer console with the archive titles. i mean yeah made sense to offer 100% nes and snes titles but genesis and turbografx?! thats kinds of revolutionary, supporting cross-platform titles from the same gen.
i hope its not exclusive and sony does this too with sega. maybe they can also pick up atari and colecovision! :roll:
sorry - mod please delete, hit wrong button
nintendo probably will steal a slight market share of sony since xbox attracts a whole different type of gamer.
The question is how much share will nintendo steal?
NUMA NUMA
03-25-2006, 00:11
In my honest opinion, both 360 and Revolution will put a dent in Sony's market share, but I also believe Sony will still come out on top this generation. Either way, this generation will be an interesting one.
He's entirely right, especially on the generation being interesting- i.e. one console comes out 1st (over a yaer ahead) but still does not have an unsurpassable lead; anotheris made to look exteremely awsome and must deliver to sell well; and one has nothing known about it except the controller and '2006'. It's a toss up.
CashMoney
03-25-2006, 00:35
:lol:
I can't believe somebody can be so naive... :shock: Deary me where to start...
Most of those people that bought a PS2 console sold were casual gamers...not hardcore or people who are loyal to the PS brand...so don't mistake 100m converting to 100m+ for the PS3...Sony will definately have to work for it for the first time I feel since they decided to step into the console space...
Fact is...if those casuals walk into a store and see the 360 section has more games on offer then the PS3 section they'll most probably get a 360. They have no idea about power or features ect...If they are price conscience...and the PS3 costs more then the 360...then they will also most likely get a 360 as well...ofcourse it does depend on what they are looking for...so if they just want a game's console without any of the extra features like Blue-Ray then it will definately come to a price difference...Unless the graphics on the PS3 knock the 360's out of the water...thus allowing the consumer to really see the difference between the 2 console...
Sony has had the advantage of having the most games in the last 2 generations...they came out before the N64 and beat the pants off it and píss on it from a great height with it's software quantity...like-wise the PS2 came out before the GCN and X-Box allowing it to amass a large quantity of games and thus making the new consoles look inferior with it's lack of game selection...
But now we see that Sony might actually become the last console to launch...it would no longer have the advantage that had won it the console wars in the last 2 generations...so unless the PS3 launches with a large quantity of titles...and continue's the trend the PSX and PS2 started then Sony will definately lose out...
If you take the PSP vs DS situation...the PSP is struggling because it has very few AAA titles...where as the DS can boast AAA titles that knock the spots off the PSP...what's keeping it afloat is it's multi-media functionality...I like my PSP as I can play ROM's...I haven't purchased a game for the PSP since October...
Software sells Hardware...has always been the case. Hardware doesn't sell software...lets not forget that...to some people on these forums that might be the case but to everyone who just wants to play good games...it's the games that make them buy the hardware.
Let me laugh at you... :lol: for being naive...
You're making it sound like you believe MS's strategy is king... launch first... WRONG... that is foolish... Sony had a lead of 7million consoles when the xbox launched... so, you're saying MS had no chance to stop them from selling an additional 93million consoles, while they sold just over 20million themselves? Right...
Sony didn't have a great library of games available for it right away either at launch, nor months soon after... so there goes that one...
Did you ever think the the PLAYSTATION name is very well established, and that alone will sell units? Maybe it's not so much "casual" gamers that pushed PS2 sales... maybe it's GAMERS in general that got all the games they wanted in wide variety...? How about how last gen, like you said, Sony had the most titles then... Those ppl will be repeat gamers knowing MS gave them garbage last time, and GC didn't do nearly enough justice...
What you're talking about is "new" gamers that have no inkling what so ever in the past videogame world... even still... they most likely heard of PLAYSTATION more from others than "xbox"... how's that possible? simple... 100million units sold worth of "casual" gamers out there...
plus that's incredibly FOOLISH to state that this is the first time they had to WORK for it... rediculous... they worked for it going up against the TOP 2 established companies for years when they first launched the PSone... and to take them out in one fell-swoop is remarkable... Will they have to work harder now than the PS2? maybe...
They showing they're going to bring out the same games that ppl crave for with their proven series sequels, which makes it not as risky jumping into... People know they're gonna get their MGS and DMC etc fix... so those favs will justify the purchase alone... they don't have to bank on unproven IPs... if new IP's turn out great... awesome... they'll go fine along with Gran Turismo...
SO, don't try to act all knowing to educate me for being naive when you can be looked at that way just as much... I've probably gamed just as long as you, maybe longer... who knows... :roll:
*edit- if you haven't bought a game for your PSP since Oct you're missing out... Syphon Filter is absolutely amazing for a handheld, just like Daxter... but hey, that's your pref... but there's plenty of AAA titles out there now for the PSP... more than enough to keep my DS dusty...
Suikoden Fantasy
03-25-2006, 00:39
I think most people that purchase the Rev. will be people who are impatient because their parents don't want to buy a 360 or PS3 because it's too expensive. So instead of waiting for them to drop in like a year or two they go out and buy a Rev. because their parents let them due to the price. I'm not saying that the Rev will only sell to people like that because if it did then the Rev. would have barely any sales. I'm just saying that a pretty solid fraction of the sales of Revs will be people like that. Just taking an educated guess here.
I think that it will be 360 in first with the most sales and then PS3 and then Revolution. Then later on next year(late next year) PS3 passes 360 and Revolution still stays at the bottom. The Revolution will get totally bombed out at first, but then the sales will pickup and although it will always be in last. Sales will pick up later on because people will get a little sick of PS3 and 360. Although the phrase "get sick of 360 and PS3" sounds a little crazy. It's very possible later on. Anyway my major point is, the Revolution will always be in last and be bombed out at first, but pick up a little later and get a little closer to PS3 and 360, but never pass them up and 360 and PS3 just trade off spots in the number one and number two position.
GriffinCorp
03-25-2006, 00:48
I think it might because of its price. more people (parents) will buy the cheapest next-gen system for there kids.
Tribunal
03-25-2006, 00:48
Some newb posts are quite obvious in here....
Anyways! If Revolution does good (haha...ha...ha...heh, uh) then it will hurt both Sony and Microsoft, obviously sony in a bigger way but, still both at the same tim.
Now lets be serious. The Revolution will be like the DS and PSP (aside from the fact that DS sells more) they're not meant to be in the same league as one another.
and, you say it will put a dent on Sony, eh well... something tells me the PS3 will get alot more customers, because its not just a game machine remember... its also probably going to be the best multi-media machine you can buy for $500 bucks or less. That will attract ALOT more people.
And I must be the only person who thinks playing with two little stick things, and flinging your arms widly into the air all by your lonesome self, entertaining for so long.
Some newb posts are quite obvious in here....
Anyways! If Revolution does good (haha...ha...ha...heh, uh) then it will hurt both Sony and Microsoft, obviously sony in a bigger way but, still both at the same tim.
Now lets be serious. The Revolution will be like the DS and PSP (aside from the fact that DS sells more) they're not meant to be in the same league as one another.
and, you say it will put a dent on Sony, eh well... something tells me the PS3 will get alot more customers, because its not just a game machine remember... its also probably going to be the best multi-media machine you can buy for $500 bucks or less. That will attract ALOT more people.
And I must be the only person who thinks playing with two little stick things, and flinging your arms widly into the air all by your lonesome self, entertaining for so long.
Yes, but that same price tag which is good for it's features could also detract customers who want it purely for gaming purposes. Let's face it, many people have PCs and probably won't use PS3 for that purpose as they don't need to. The good that comes with this is that you are indeed getting a supercomputer for cheap, but for those who don't need the extras it is simply packing more fees onto their purchase.
Panda Bear Shenyu
03-25-2006, 01:15
Well, the point of this thread is over the concern that Sony will lose its dominance over MS and Nintendo, although I don't really see it that way.
First of all, competition is good, the more Sony and MS and Nintendo beat each other up, the better for us gamers, simply because they'll continually try to outdo their competitiors in order to survive. So if Sony has 99.99 percent marketshare, they'll have total monopoly and maybe even become careless about pleasing gamers, and just turning out one mediocre product after the other, with only slight improvements to fake improvements.
Now, most of us on this forum (myself included), hold Sony and its Playstaions on a pedestal and bow down to its web image daily (... ), but really, people aren't going to buy a inferior product just because it is cheaper, MOST people would prefer to buy the superior product. The Nintendo Gamecube aims at a completely different audience than Sony's Playstation and MS's Xbox. Much like that the Ds aims at children when the PSP aims at a broader audience of tech lovers.
Tribunal
03-25-2006, 01:21
Some newb posts are quite obvious in here....
Anyways! If Revolution does good (haha...ha...ha...heh, uh) then it will hurt both Sony and Microsoft, obviously sony in a bigger way but, still both at the same tim.
Now lets be serious. The Revolution will be like the DS and PSP (aside from the fact that DS sells more) they're not meant to be in the same league as one another.
and, you say it will put a dent on Sony, eh well... something tells me the PS3 will get alot more customers, because its not just a game machine remember... its also probably going to be the best multi-media machine you can buy for $500 bucks or less. That will attract ALOT more people.
And I must be the only person who thinks playing with two little stick things, and flinging your arms widly into the air all by your lonesome self, entertaining for so long.
Yes, but that same price tag which is good for it's features could also detract customers who want it purely for gaming purposes. Let's face it, many people have PCs and probably won't use PS3 for that purpose as they don't need to. The good that comes with this is that you are indeed getting a supercomputer for cheap, but for those who don't need the extras it is simply packing more fees onto their purchase.
The Major justification of its price is a Blu-ray player for half the price.
:lol:
I can't believe somebody can be so naive... :shock: Deary me where to start...
Most of those people that bought a PS2 console sold were casual gamers...not hardcore or people who are loyal to the PS brand...so don't mistake 100m converting to 100m+ for the PS3...Sony will definately have to work for it for the first time I feel since they decided to step into the console space...
Fact is...if those casuals walk into a store and see the 360 section has more games on offer then the PS3 section they'll most probably get a 360. They have no idea about power or features ect...If they are price conscience...and the PS3 costs more then the 360...then they will also most likely get a 360 as well...ofcourse it does depend on what they are looking for...so if they just want a game's console without any of the extra features like Blue-Ray then it will definately come to a price difference...Unless the graphics on the PS3 knock the 360's out of the water...thus allowing the consumer to really see the difference between the 2 console...
Sony has had the advantage of having the most games in the last 2 generations...they came out before the N64 and beat the pants off it and píss on it from a great height with it's software quantity...like-wise the PS2 came out before the GCN and X-Box allowing it to amass a large quantity of games and thus making the new consoles look inferior with it's lack of game selection...
But now we see that Sony might actually become the last console to launch...it would no longer have the advantage that had won it the console wars in the last 2 generations...so unless the PS3 launches with a large quantity of titles...and continue's the trend the PSX and PS2 started then Sony will definately lose out...
If you take the PSP vs DS situation...the PSP is struggling because it has very few AAA titles...where as the DS can boast AAA titles that knock the spots off the PSP...what's keeping it afloat is it's multi-media functionality...I like my PSP as I can play ROM's...I haven't purchased a game for the PSP since October...
Software sells Hardware...has always been the case. Hardware doesn't sell software...lets not forget that...to some people on these forums that might be the case but to everyone who just wants to play good games...it's the games that make them buy the hardware.
Let me laugh at you... :lol: for being naive...
You're making it sound like you believe MS's strategy is king... launch first... WRONG... that is foolish... Sony had a lead of 7million consoles when the xbox launched... so, you're saying MS had no chance to stop them from selling an additional 93million consoles, while they sold just over 20million themselves? Right...
Sony didn't have a great library of games available for it right away either at launch, nor months soon after... so there goes that one...
Did you ever think the the PLAYSTATION name is very well established, and that alone will sell units? Maybe it's not so much "casual" gamers that pushed PS2 sales... maybe it's GAMERS in general that got all the games they wanted in wide variety...? How about how last gen, like you said, Sony had the most titles then... Those ppl will be repeat gamers knowing MS gave them garbage last time, and GC didn't do nearly enough justice...
What you're talking about is "new" gamers that have no inkling what so ever in the past videogame world... even still... they most likely heard of PLAYSTATION more from others than "xbox"... how's that possible? simple... 100million units sold worth of "casual" gamers out there...
plus that's incredibly FOOLISH to state that this is the first time they had to WORK for it... rediculous... they worked for it going up against the TOP 2 established companies for years when they first launched the PSone... and to take them out in one fell-swoop is remarkable... Will they have to work harder now than the PS2? maybe...
They showing they're going to bring out the same games that ppl crave for with their proven series sequels, which makes it not as risky jumping into... People know they're gonna get their MGS and DMC etc fix... so those favs will justify the purchase alone... they don't have to bank on unproven IPs... if new IP's turn out great... awesome... they'll go fine along with Gran Turismo...
SO, don't try to act all knowing to educate me for being naive when you can be looked at that way just as much... I've probably gamed just as long as you, maybe longer... who knows... :roll:
*edit- if you haven't bought a game for your PSP since Oct you're missing out... Syphon Filter is absolutely amazing for a handheld, just like Daxter... but hey, that's your pref... but there's plenty of AAA titles out there now for the PSP... more than enough to keep my DS dusty...
You didn't pick any holes what-so-ever from my post you just went on one long rant...just putting words in my mouth.
I acknowledge there is brand loyalty and it will help Sony out tremendously and Sony will still be No.1 by 2010...I wouldn't even argue that point it's as clear as crystal. In fact I didn't even say Sony would struggle with sales enough to lose the No.1 market-share...as I said your putting words in my mouth.
Secondly it doesn't matter that Sony didn't launch with a strong line up...hardly any console launch has a strong-line if any. The consumer has maybe 3 games at the most that can be considered AAA from a selection of 10 or more games from launch...
I'm not going to comment on you thinking that the PS2 sold more to gamers then casual gamers...if that was the case then developer like Rockstar would not have trouble selling GTA in excess of 50m...since there are 100m PS2 owners right? fact is that GTA peaks at 10m over the course of it's product life...
As for my comments about Nintendo...I'm of the opinion Nintendo was a head-less chicken post 1995...till 2002...you have the failures of the Virtual-Boy and the N64...terrible launch of the GCN...I didn't see anything from Nintendo that can be considered attempt from them to compete during those years...by this I mean in the console space not handheld. So yeah I think Sony have had an easy ride...Nintendo were not up to the challenge of competing as aggresively for the console space...they thought they'd have the loyalty of gamers from the SNES and NES but little do they know how things can change...especially when your arrogant about the way you treat the consumer and developers...thus the mass exile of developers and the consumer not really taking the N64...
I'll make sure to try and play Syphon Filter...last-time I played a Syphon Filter game was on the PSX...
I will get one; I have thorouly contemplated the possibilites and potential of the Revolution controller and honestly, I am amazed! It's so simple and brilliant, I bet it's obviousness caused Microsoft and Sony to slap themselves in self-abasement for their dullness lmao! :lol: I believe Nintentdo really is going to be the root of a revolution in gaming.
It's soo danged funny and ironic how the two giants, Microsoft and Sony pour all their money and attention into making their console's beasts of visual realism; whereas Nintendo, the underdog with the lower budget and influence comes up with an idea that stomps and belittles Microsoft and Sony where it counts, the actual control interface the user utilizes to interact with the game; whereas Microsoft and Sony are continuing the stale controller design.
Just imagine what an FPS would be like, you don't move a joystick around below your visual awareness to aim your gun, you actually point the controller directly at where you want the gun to aim on the screen; remember duck hunt with the gun peripheral? FPS's on Revolution will be like that mixed with the modern style of FPS game design. Think about it, it seems like it would be a lot more engaging and immersive than the old "hold down at waste" controller. Games on revolution will require more physical energy and engagment, your body's physiology will move quicker and heat up more, thus the bloodflow will be faster making for a potentially more exhilarating overall gaming experiance.
This will change the face of gaming and you can bet Sony and Microsoft will be including something similar in their future consoles. In fact, as alluded to earlier, they are probably scratching their heads in stupified awe when they contemplate the possibilites of the controller themselves. Lmao a Microguy turns to a Sony guy and says, "Man Sony we're dumb" :!: :lol:
It's no wonder why Nintendo kept revolution closely under the guard of it's shrouding cloak, if they released info about it before they had the exclusive patent, Microsoft or Sony would of sneakily claimed it for themselves and included it in their console's. :lol: :lol: :lol:
P.S. I remember hearing from several sources that it is twice as powerful as the original xbox... :?
LexLuthor
04-11-2006, 09:17
Lets not forget EVERY next -gen game currently out is an Xbox 360 exclusive, and they add to the total WEEKLY.
Nintendo and the Revolution have NO CHANCE OF SPOILING ANYTHING
I fail to see the "brilliance" in nintendo's plan besides the fact they are carving themselves out a niche for the non-hardcore inexpensive gamer.
Sony and the PS3 will dominate because those who like electronic gadgets like the latest and greatest. All Nintendo is doing is realizing they cannot compete with MS and Sony so they will make a lesser machine that will sell to a niche market. This is Nintendo's last breathe in the console market, if doesn't work for them they won't make another IMO. In fact I'm surprised they did after Gamecube
make no mistake the main market is with the Sony and MS battle.
I wouldn't touch a Nintendo product. I fail to see what Nintendo does that is great. Their games are over hyped, and they never push there hardware
HappyToad
04-11-2006, 09:19
I've ben browsing these forums for a couple days and because of this thread I decided to register. Hello, everyone! :D
Now, onto business:
Nintendo is saying that it's not competing for the #1 spot. Sony and Microsoft don't see Nintendo as a company they have to compete with and they now compete with each other more closely. Out of that battle my money is going to Sony. They're similar enough consoles and Sony's looking like it'll treat me as well in the next-gen as it did this past gen in comparison to Microsoft.
So, in the idea of Nintendo being a possible threat to Sony, it's only a threat if you consider the Revolution to be a competitor. I certainly don't see it that way. The Playstation 3 and the Revolution are two different types of consoles with totally different styles of gameplay and completely different software. Even multi-platform games such as Spider-Man 3 will play completely different from each other between the PS3 and the REV.
If the REV and PS3 had similar graphics, a similar traditional controller, similar software with similar gameplay, and a similar price tag then maybe I would start comparing the two more closely. To try and compare the two on the same exact scale of quality is just like trying to compare Metal Gear Solid 3 and Guitar Hero as if they were the same genre of game. It just doesn't work.
Maybe I'm being an idealist. Even after this, no matter what I say, people will still go on about "360 vs. PS3 vs. REV" as if Nintendo is offering something so similar to Sony and Microsoft that it'll actually be a hard choice. Nintendo and Sony are offering completely different types of fun and I hope to explore them both immensely over the next several years.
ddaryl, the controller is going to take over...watch, I'm not saying the console will outdue the others, only that controllers from here on will not be designed the same.
MATRIX 2
04-11-2006, 15:09
Tre revolution will not even make a dent in SONY or Microsoft. It is just like the Gaycube, cheap and affordable for the young gamers. that is what revolution is.
The controller for example is crap, while it may be good for a few games what about the rest, like fps, racing, rpg and others.
2nd this non hdtv thing is stupid, when you hook the rev up to your hdtv, for ps3/360; it will look like crap. Whil you are blow away by the graphics of the 360 and ps3 games, rev will be sitting in a corner, because its games look like crap. That plus the lack of games, the heavy reliance on long established titles will not be good for revolution.
There were some possible specifications released for the revolution
GPU running at 730-750 Mhz
CPU running at 243Mhz
88Mb of ram.
This makes the revolution look like it is slightly more powerful than an xbox.
The only good thin about the revolution is the ability to download old nintendo games,
but there is a problem, That stupid controller. I wonder how you will play certain games with that controller.
If the xbox 360 has a price drop(during or near ps3 launch) it will most likely be Premium $350, core $250.
Nintendo will probably release the rev. at $299, or at the lowest $250.
If they release at $299, and the 360 has a price drop equal or greater than what I said, the revolution will lose out.
Why buy a inferior console, with very few games, when you can get a true next gen system, for $50 gollars more; a system has more innovation in games, with many new promising titles.
Revolution is a bargain console. It is NOT NEXT-GEN. It might do well in jpn, but not in europe and north america, australia and other asian countries.
I was on another forum, reading a few therads, when I read this: Someone postd tha When Kutargi uses the term XBOX 1.5, he was not referring to the 360, he was referring to the revolution.
And by thos specs if they are true It is xbox 1.5.
I think that most peole who bought a 360/ps3 as their main console and revolution as a second console, will regret it.
You would have said, why did I buy this useless revolution instead of a 360 or a ps3.
If it does sell, it will not move ast 30 million units, the amount that N64 sold.
But I doubt it will reach 30 million.
spandexman
04-11-2006, 15:14
The revolution will be much easier to make so they could easily provide more units then sony's ps3. Also if the rev is only 150$ we could easily see the rev outselling the ps3, but this would be maily do to low ps3 units.
AlexPallas
04-11-2006, 15:41
its inevitable that Sony and Nintendo will eventually partner up
HappyToad
04-11-2006, 18:26
It is just like the Gaycube, cheap and affordable for the young gamers. that is what revolution is... The controller for example is crap... 2nd this non hdtv thing is stupid, when you hook the rev up to your hdtv, for ps3/360; it will look like crap... because its games look like crap... That stupid controller... Why buy a inferior console... It is NOT NEXT-GEN...
Fanboy. Enjoy your own toys instead of having to make everyone else justify their own by trolling.
I think that most peole who bought a 360/ps3 as their main console and revolution as a second console, will regret it.
You would have said, why did I buy this useless revolution instead of a 360 or a ps3.
If they own a PS3 and a REV they're not going to be saying "Why didn't I buy a PS3" because they'll own one. It's a pretty simple concept.
This is Nintendo's last breathe in the console market, if doesn't work for them they won't make another IMO. In fact I'm surprised they did after Gamecube
I stopped even trying to take you seriously after that. Gamecube made Nintendo a profit. They also have billions of dollars in the bank. If you don't even understand their financial situation you don't deserve to comment on their next-generation status.
narutoboy
04-11-2006, 18:59
just buy the damn rev or 360 man. all your topics are about how playstation 3 wont do something.
if it was all about price then why did gamecube lose and why is it still not selling well?
"The controller for example is crap, while it may be good for a few games what about the rest, like fps, racing, rpg and others."
lol Matrix, FPS? That is exactly what the contoller will own microsony at. It's much closer to actually using and aiming the real gun of the FPS. Do you even know anything about the revolution controller? and for every other genre, I'm sure they can makes games just as easily without the pointer action where you simply use the controller (two-part) like the microsony controller; if you actually looked at the buttons and control setup on it, I think it's obvious that the controller has a lot more funcionality than what immediatly appears at a glance, especially when pertaining to old style control schemes. :roll:
HappyToad
04-11-2006, 21:08
Let's not also forget that the Rev controller will have a "shell" to accomodate to the games with traditional controls. As far as I understand, this comes with the console.
Speaking of controllers, any news on the PS3 controller?
I don't really see the point of this thread. If you want to buy a Revolution, then buy one. You don't need to justify your action. Will buying a Rev "help" Microsoft indirectly? Perhaps. But will you gain satisfaction from buying a Rev? Probably. So why not? It doesn't really matter anyway, PS3 will sell. Nobody can deny that.
what i'm talking about is not me personally but how the next-gen market share will play out. like i stated, yes the ps3 will sell out the first 1 or 2 years but how long will it last?
ps2 sold 100 million in 5 years, and yet the ps3 is aimed to see double that. so you would think the conditions need to be even greater than last gen, right?
but like i pointed out, the rev could be the serious spoiler this time. not only will it be at least 50% the price, maybe even less, but that buying the rev PLUS the 360 may not be that much more than the ps3.
so sure, the hardcore ps fans like us are gonna get the ps3 no matter what. but i think the majority of buyers are not hardcore and they do care how much they spend.
revolution unfortunately looks like much more of a value proposition, and while i dont think rev will sell more than ps3, i think it can help ps3 lose A LOT of market share to the 360.
to answer your some of your questions here
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the thing about sony and the playstation is that keep supporting the older console even when a new one is about to arrive.
game cube is dead only have that new zelda
xbox has nothing all new games are coming out on x-360.
ps2 has ff12, gow2,xenosaga 3,valverine profile,ff7- dirgue cerebrus ect.
it happend the same with the original psx ,did you read that news recently that sony stopped making the original psx,bealive it or not it was still selling good, same thing is going to happend to ps2 , psx sold 100+ in 10 years ,ps2 sold 100+ in half the time ,and its still selling like freaking hot cakes ,thats the reason why sony hasnt drop the 149$ ps2 price.
even when ps3 is out ps2 will be selling very good for the next 4 years ,and it will reach 150 m+ world wide, thats my take.
about the revo i think its going to attract alot of people beacuase of the price ,like the n-ds cheaper sells more sometimes thought the gc was always cheaper than competition still sold very little ,i dont know how much its going to last though , it doesnt look like it has the power to survive another 5 years into the high def. era.
me i aint paying 150$ for a console that has xbox specs and some revomote gimmick thing. if i want gimmick a have one thats 100 better then the revomote ,the eyetoy.
eyetoy > revomote.
nintendo dont have a chance aginst the PS3.
plus it wont even hurt the PS3.
HappyToad
04-12-2006, 01:01
Definately. With the Revolution not even competing and with Sony not seeing it as a chalenger, it's definately going to win this non-existant competition.
UCONN for life
04-12-2006, 02:19
It seems like a lot of people who are deeply into gaming know about revolution, but more mainstream gamers are only thinking 360 and PS3, with PS3 more popular.
Ricokillercon
04-12-2006, 04:49
Rev won't dominate...or hurt sony much. You have to look at the fact that nintendo is really the oddball this time around. And unlike the japanesse market the western world does not fall easily to gimmicks or new ways of playing. Look at the psp its neck to neck with ds everywhere outside japan despite the 100 dollar price difference. This will also be seen with rev/ps3. Price won't matter...the western world will buy ps3. Also ps2 had 80% of japanesse market in japan last time...and people look for different things in a console than handheld, so it will be quite hard for rev to dislouge ps3 from being king in japan.
Agreed, The revolution won't steal the market anymore than the gamecube...However, It will sell and it will make money. Two factors here, one is the price, this baby is half the price of Xbox 360 and PS3, #2 As I stated in an earlier post, I strongely believe this controller is going to be very effective. It will open up a brand new style of play that no amount of graphical polish can achieve.
Imagine walking into a game crazey that has kiosks for all three consoles, each is occupied. You see the user's of the PS3 and Xbox 360 standing in an upright still position mashing buttons on the ancient control configuration...not much more movement other than some finger tapping, maybe the guys takes his hand off of the controller real quick to scratch his neck. Afterward he goes back to his first-person sword fighting game and continues "R sword block, L sword swing" back and forth he goes endlessly tapping his little fingers.
Now your attention turns to the revolution Kiosk and you see the guy exerting physical energy indicated by the intense movement of his arms, it appears that he is actually physically mimicking the swing of a sword, also it appears like he is mimicking a melee block by holding his controller pointed diagnally or horizontally across his chest. You can see the intense focus in his eyes and beads of sweat cascading down his face, this caused because his body is much more engaged in the activity, rather than a few finger movements...While observing this character act out the video game, your mind attracts and gravitates more to the revolution kiosk and the energy it radiates.
Here a funny irony strikes me, the microsony guys have displayed on their Kiosk screen, an incredibly photo-realistic and lifelike image, and this highly sophisticated state of the art rendering technology is interacted with...with nothing but the waggle of the thumb and the tap of the finger. Whereas Nintendo's system is weaker in the lifelike visuals, yet it's interactivity is by far closer to the reality of the actual gameworld. The irony is, with better visuals alone, you are still just as far away from true immersion as with weaker visuals, nothing has fundamentally changed.
Yet with revolution and its weak power, but novel controller, you truely are fundamentally closer and more immersed into the game world. :) This, because your body is more engaged in the activity, the body is fundamentally vibrating sensations, thats the only way we really know we have a body, sensation. Here since your body is engaged, more of your sense faculties are engaged, thus you are more completely immersed in an activity. (gameworld) :wink:
Ricokillercon
04-12-2006, 06:16
It doesn't matter if the control is more immersive...if peple don't like it, rev won't sell.
Look at the psp its neck to neck with ds everywhere outside japan despite the 100 dollar price difference.
You should really check your facts. DS is outselling PSP everywhere but in North America, and even there it's close; something like 150k DS, 170k PSP per month. DS is sometimes even outselling PSP in NA, like when Nintendogs and Mario Kart were released.
I think Revolution has a very good chance to sell a lot. Maybe not as much as PS3, but a lot more than Gamecube did. Presuming the controller doesn't have any problems (with inaccuracy and stuff like that), I don't see why it wouldn't sell. I know a lot of people who bought only PS2 or Xbox this gen, but will buy a Revolution because it seems like the playing could be fun with the new kind of controller. Maybe some won't buy it as their primary console, but many will buy it as their secondary one.
I'm not sure if Revolution will have any kind of big effect on PS3 as a big part of the buyers could be non-gamers and people who haven't played for years (and wouldn't have gotten a PS3 or Xbox 360 anyways).
MATRIX 2
04-12-2006, 15:47
HappyToad, in my comment about people that buy the rev as a 2nd console, I stated that if you had a ps3 and bought a rev, you would regret not buying a 360 instead of rev, or if you bought a 360 as your main console, and rev as 2nd, you would regret not getting a ps3 instead of buying REV. Either way you would regret buying rev.
its a very simple concept that you did not grasp.
As for the controller, it still sucks, I have used many accessories for fps like light guns, and while it may be slightly better, the revolution's controller, soes not seem to be as good as a standard light gun. You could get the same amount of control with a keyboard and mouse.
Like I said the only good thing about revolution is tha ablity to download past nintendo games.
The last good console nintendo produced was the N64.
Its good days are now over.
millionai3r3
04-12-2006, 16:17
The revolution will be no harm to the PS3. If Im a parent Im not gonna just buy the cheapest system for my kid. Parents are already gonna know what their kid wants because they are gonna tell them everyday. If you've ever gone to a videogame store and seen a kid with his parents, the kid knows everything he wants. I just dont buy the statement that parents are gonna buy the revolution for their kids instead of a PS3 because its cheaper. They're gonna buy what their kids want.
Nstriker20
04-12-2006, 17:24
Nintendo already admitted at E3 2005 that their Console will not be as power as their competitors.
Ricokillercon
04-12-2006, 21:15
Look at the psp its neck to neck with ds everywhere outside japan despite the 100 dollar price difference.
You should really check your facts. DS is outselling PSP everywhere but in North America, and even there it's close; something like 150k DS, 170k PSP per month. DS is sometimes even outselling PSP in NA, like when Nintendogs and Mario Kart were released.
I think Revolution has a very good chance to sell a lot. Maybe not as much as PS3, but a lot more than Gamecube did. Presuming the controller doesn't have any problems (with inaccuracy and stuff like that), I don't see why it wouldn't sell. I know a lot of people who bought only PS2 or Xbox this gen, but will buy a Revolution because it seems like the playing could be fun with the new kind of controller. Maybe some won't buy it as their primary console, but many will buy it as their secondary one.
I'm not sure if Revolution will have any kind of big effect on PS3 as a big part of the buyers could be non-gamers and people who haven't played for years (and wouldn't have gotten a PS3 or Xbox 360 anyways).
Doesn't change the fact that the world is accepting an overprice product over inovation. And you forget people look at console for different things thatn handhelds. They actually want horsepower in a console. Inovation while great, won't be pick up buy casual gamers as much as nintendo thinks. Why would a casual gamer spend some extra time leraning a new way to play? When they could just plug in 360/ps3 and play like they've always had.
YamNivek
04-13-2006, 15:18
Maybe the reason theyre casual gamers is because of this controller. Maybe theyre bored of playing games in that way. Why do you think games like the dancing mat games, Buzz and Guitar Hero are all popular with not only gamers but casual gamers. They offer new ways of interacting with the game. They also give a sense of immersion. im sure its possible to play Guitar Hero with a normal controller as, in essence, its just a button pressing timing game. But the guitar peripheral makes it the game it is. These games take extra time to learn how to play them as it is an unfamiliar controller.
Just because you and your friends have always used control pads to play games doesnt mean they are the best way to go. The majority of people are put off by the complexity of them. Give someone unfamiliar with a DS2 one and ask them to play Pro Evo Soccer 5. All youll here it, "What buttons pass?", "The X", "Which ones that? Oh yeah i see it. How do you tackle?" etc. In the end both people get fustrated as the person that knows the controls is just gonna run rings round the other, which puts them off even more.
It is these people that in think the Rev will play up as they will see the simplistic controller, maybe handle one at a kiosk in a shop and think yeah thats easy to use, its only £200, the others are £300-400. Ill get one.
I dont think it will remove sony from having the largest marketshare but it will come very close. The people with the money to buy consoles are generally aged (and interested) between 18 - 50. The lower end will be buying the powerhouses for themselves, the others will be the age group that will have the money to buy both. The will have the powerhouse machine, but they will also want to replay all the games they played during the 80's and 90's when they were young. Nostalgia is a very big business. This is where the rev is gonna get marketshare.
Agreed, The revolution won't steal the market anymore than the gamecube...However, It will sell and it will make money. Two factors here, one is the price, this baby is half the price of Xbox 360 and PS3,
Half the price? I highly doubt that....even with it's inferior technology.
The Playstation 3 will get more sales long-term because of its technology. They're all going to have price drops. PS3 will stay a little more expensive than the rest, but it uses a cell processor and has blu-ray. The 360 is still on DVD and I don't even know what the hell the Revolution is using. All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
the others are £300-400. Ill get one.
You have to pay £300-400??? That's gotta SUCK!
Vampirtc
04-13-2006, 15:57
All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
Then you don't know much otherwise I could say the same thing about PS2 when XBOX was out. Yet PS2 is still here.
YamNivek
04-13-2006, 16:21
the others are £300-400. Ill get one.
You have to pay £300-400??? That's gotta SUCK!
Probably, the 360 is about £319 as you have to buy it as a bundle Heres one (http://shop.game.net/ViewProduct.aspx?cat=11273&mid=328524)
And im speculating the ps3 will be about £400 over here. and yeah it will suck big time!!!!
Ricokillercon
04-13-2006, 21:15
All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
Then you don't know much otherwise I could say the same thing about PS2 when XBOX was out. Yet PS2 is still here.
The diference between xbox and ps2 was the diversity of games. If xbox had a better quality diversity it would have ahd a way longer lifespan thatn ps2. And judging by what the ps2 has to offer the ps3 will continue with great games. This will insure ps3 to have longevity again.
Agreed, The revolution won't steal the market anymore than the gamecube...However, It will sell and it will make money. Two factors here, one is the price, this baby is half the price of Xbox 360 and PS3,
Half the price? I highly doubt that....even with it's inferior technology.
The Playstation 3 will get more sales long-term because of its technology. They're all going to have price drops. PS3 will stay a little more expensive than the rest, but it uses a cell processor and has blu-ray. The 360 is still on DVD and I don't even know what the hell the Revolution is using. All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
Xbox 360 (not core system) is $400, the PS3 will be at minimum the same but more likey even more.
Given the tech of the revolution, 128mb ram, (literally one quarter of the ram of the 360 and PS3); weaker gpu, very weak cpu core compared to the 360 or ps3, and no HD support, I would say $200 (50%-half of $400...) is a pretty dang reasonable estimate. :)
I think the revolution will be a serious contender for Sony in Japan, but nowhere else.
The main reason I think this is because over in Japan people love innotive products. They're not bothered about power and stuff like that. Its the only reason why the DS is slaughtering the PSP over in Japan,
Around other parts of the world the PSP has a clear advantage over the DS.
fallingdove
04-14-2006, 23:15
Revolution will take second in the war in japan. Even though it is inovative, it doesn't have enough. I will probably buy a revolution in addition to a PS3 though. Nintendo has made some great games too.
Sadly, Nintendo will loose again here in the states to M$.
legend66
04-16-2006, 09:33
hey well i think the revolution may end up having the largest market share, but with the PS3 taking up the hardcore gamers that need full graphical emmersion (eg me!).
kudoshinchi
04-16-2006, 10:01
It's up to the games and third party support. Big reason I am not buying Revolution is what IF there aren't much third party support? I dont just want play games that Zelda, Mario, Mario Bros. games. Also the control still couldn't persuade me to get Revolution first day, even thought Red Steel game looking pretty kool with the control but still not a really gimmick to me.
ChildOfIllusions
04-16-2006, 21:40
okay, i think we all agree that ps3 is gonna sell out at launch, and that there will probably be shortages for a few months. they'll hit 10 million consoles the first year easily if they can make the supply.
but i'm thinking long term, beyond the first or second year. okay, the ps2 sold 100 million consoles while the ps3 is aimed to sell 200 million. one thing the worked in ps2's advantage was the head start + game library + loyal fans + competitive price.
i believe the xbox was the most expensive when released and the gamecube wasn't much cheaper, therefore ps2 dominated.
but this time, revolution may come out at around $150-$250. That could be a THIRD to HALF of ps3's price! that's a HUGE difference. if i'm a parent, i'm gonna be looking at the revolution VERY SERIOUSLY.
whats more, it could end up being buying a revolution PLUS 360 may not be much more than geting ONE ps3. obviously if the rev was $150 that's gonna be trouble, but even at $250, getting both that and 360 would still be $650 EVEN IF the 360 doesn't reduce its price as expected.
so from a cost standpoint, its gonna look REALL attractive to get a rev, whether on its own or with the 360.
of course ps3 is better and has blu-ray and all the features, but realistically i'm worried that nintendo is gonna cause a lot of trouble. and im just talking america, who knows if they just really take off in japan like the ds vs. psp.
i see this as kinda like the u.s. presidential elections. remember how ross perot was the spoiler and basically gave the election to clinton by taking votes away from bush sr? same as nadar took votes from gore and let bush jr win?
this next-gen race may not be about majority anymore, but just plain who has most market share. if M$ gets up to 40% i think its gonna be really bad since they have so much ca$h and can then probably strongarm or entice some of the games developers into 360 exclusives and such.
man, i was looking forward to getting the rev but now i wonder if i would be supporting m$ if i did so? as a keen observer of life if youll notice my highlighted section most parent dont have a whole lot of say in what theyre kids get cause if theyre going to buy a system tehres a good chance the kids already getting what he wants and hell hath no furry like a childe screaming I WANT A PS3 and there mother giving in ive seen it happen a hundred times and its not about to stop especially with the release being so close to the holidays the ps3 will be just fine and honestly not that i dont love the concept of the revolution and later down the line will get one nintendo has always had a cult following so theyll also do fine just a matter of taste really
My thinking is that the Rev may also be trying to make itself a companion to other systems. If priced low enough, maybe it figures it won't dominate but people will buy both a PS3/360 and a Rev. It is unlikely the Rev will be the only system a next gen gamer owns, but if it has unique games and a few really good games that people who already own a PS3/360 will pick one up.
Well, that's my plan at least. If the thing costs $200 I'll go buy one and have it alongside my PS3. Maybe I will only buy 5 games for it, but you never know until you see the games. Plus, it will have all the old titles available.
ShinMaruku
04-16-2006, 22:39
It will be at best a complementary console. Which would be great.
Vampirtc
04-17-2006, 00:10
All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
Then you don't know much otherwise I could say the same thing about PS2 when XBOX was out. Yet PS2 is still here.
The diference between xbox and ps2 was the diversity of games. If xbox had a better quality diversity it would have ahd a way longer lifespan thatn ps2. And judging by what the ps2 has to offer the ps3 will continue with great games. This will insure ps3 to have longevity again.
And what is the difference between XBOX and XBOX360. Game diversity for one and much better developer support. Not to mention a year advantage.
Ricokillercon
04-17-2006, 02:08
All I know is that the 360 will not be around as long as the PS3 because of inferiority. It will be obsolete in a year. :lol: Not quite, but it won't last that long. It has the same disc format as the PS2.
Then you don't know much otherwise I could say the same thing about PS2 when XBOX was out. Yet PS2 is still here.
The diference between xbox and ps2 was the diversity of games. If xbox had a better quality diversity it would have ahd a way longer lifespan thatn ps2. And judging by what the ps2 has to offer the ps3 will continue with great games. This will insure ps3 to have longevity again.
And what is the difference between XBOX and XBOX360. Game diversity for one and much better developer support. Not to mention a year advantage.
Yeah...but i was just pointing out that the reason the original xbox didn't last long was because of lack of diversity of games...i am going to wait to past my judgement on 360 for a year or two. There are still way too many fps compare to any other genre for my taste still.
Organic_Shadow
04-17-2006, 03:03
I think consumers will have to make tough decisions regarding the PS3 and Revo. They might think, "Oh, I can buy both since Revo is cheap..." but everytime any of my friends have ever said that about the Gamecube and PS2, they always ended up getting rid of the GC because they played their PS2 more. This may be the same scenario this time around.
Some also may put the Revo on their to-get list, but not actually make the purchase a long time after it launches. They will get the PS3 first, and wait for the Revo to come down a bit and get some games out before buying it, so they won't have it sitting around being useless. Also, they might wanna wait until they have the extra cash to dump on one if they are only getting it for it's "classic games" feature.
Third theory, is that a lot of people will be turned off by the lack of traditional controller scheme, and would rather stick with the mainstream consoles that feature familiar pad designs that they won't have to adjust to. Even though a lot of people like the new controller, the same was said for the previous Nintendo consoles, and the total number of units sold for each generation continued to decline.
Rev might be able to snag some of playstation sales just like the independent party stole some of the democratic vote (at least thats what a lot of people think, to me I honestly have no idea).
But back to my point,
In terms or price, yes the revolution looks a lot more attractive and the plus is that the nintendo name still signifies a lot of history in the gaming era.
But for those of us who have been following the next-gen market will have to decide if price is really worth the factor in making this kind of decision.
We are coming to a point in gaming, where gaming interests are divided by a fine line. Those who are looking towards graphics and amazing realism compared to those looking for classic game play.
Sure the revolution will offer all of the classic games on download for a cheap price if not free.
But let's not forget this is a next-gen era, not bringing back classic gaming.
I'm betting most consumers will view next-gen as amazing graphics, accurate physics, amazing realism, etc. Not bringing back the old games. We have a computer for that now.
Sure it's great that they're bringing back the classic gaming, but nintendo needs to re-evaluate its position on the future of gaming.
The only problem with Sony, is most likely going to be the price with the consumer.
Sony must find a way to convince the consumer that it is worth the price/wait to buy their console, and this is where marketing comes in.
I'm betting that marketing will be a huge and very important factor in how the next-gen era plays out.
Back in 2003, Sony decided to invest in a very very expensive advertising campaign by using college football.
They decided to buy part of the name to the rose bowl for the 2003 calendar year. Renaming it the Rose Bowl brought to you by Sony and Playstation 2.
For those of you who don't know, the Rose bowl is one of the most well known sports even in the United States. The Stadium itself offers 100,000 seats. Just imagine how much exposure they got.
So now, it will be interesting when sony and nintendo decide to launch their marketing campaigns.
As for the Xbox 360, I don't believe they did a very good job in getting exposure. Even now when everything is in stock, I havent seen a commerical in quite a while.
u know, i have to say i'm a lot less worried about the rev doing to much damage to ps3 sales now that nintendo has made the biggest marketing fiasco EVER! okay that may be an exaggeration but what the hell is "WII"?!!!! :lol:
thats just STUPID! it's like look at my wii wii. what kid above the age of 5 is gonna want this? it's just too retarrded. and GAY. i'm sorry, but this is the worst name for a console OF ALL TIME! there is nothing that comes close. even "pc engine" sounds way more "cool" than lil' wii wii.
nintendo must be smoking crack. REVOLUTION was actually a pretty cool name, especially since it made a lot of sense. yeah, they had us shaking a little bit with the cool name and the controller, which really is supposed to be revolutionary. hence the cool and fitting name.
now we got pee wii to contend with...what a joke! :lol: i've never seen greater marketing suicide than this.
and have they thought that maybe WII is a little too close to WWII?!!! yeah, i'm sure japanese nintendo is really gonna want their product to be reminding everyone of WORLD WAR II, a war that not only did they ATTACK PEARL HARBOR as well as RAPE CHINA and a lot of other s.e. asian countries, and a war where THEY ALIGNED WITH HITLER, but also that THEY LOST and got the crap kicked out of them by the BIG BROTHER USA, getting pwnd by not one but TWO ATOMIC BOMBS!!!!
yeah, that's really smooth nintendo! :lol: it's no wonder sony got an american ceo, maybe nintendo should start thinking about it.
wii, what a total laugh!!! :lol:
Legend Killer
05-01-2006, 04:18
For some reason I'm more concern about the Wii :lol: .... sorry about that, giving the PS3 a fight than the X360 I know some of you may argue but Nintendo has been in this for a long time they have alot of experience so don't go taunting the Nintendo is not Competing with the PS3 or 360 thats BS Nintendo know very damn well they are Competing with Sony and Microsoft they are just taking a new angle on the whole console wars thing. and thats what scares me the most about them we know nothing about the Wii and its been a year something has got to give if you know what I mean.
ShinMaruku
05-01-2006, 05:42
I fear nothing from the wii becuase it's being dissmissed way to early by some.
Never underestimate the power of the ALMIGHTY Wii :lol:
ShinMaruku
05-01-2006, 06:42
It sounds French... Nintendo is insane...
It sounds French... Nintendo is insane...Nintendo is gay
and any grown man that says he likes Mario & Pikachu is a faggit too :|
lordmadjack
05-01-2006, 07:11
...Wow, er I'll admit Nintendo dug themselves into a hole in one way or another...but calling them "gay" and referring to fans of Pokemon and Mario as "fa***ts, is short sighted to put it bluntly...:(
As for the topic on hand, if the Wii really does revolutionize (GAH) gaming as Nintendo claims it will then it very well could gain an audience that never played games before, but as already mentioned Sony has an audience nearly 100,000,000 strong. So I believe the only way that Nintendo could truely gain the lead next gen is to take customers away from Sony...:D
...Wow, er I'll admit Nintendo dug themselves into a hole in one way or another...but calling them "gay" and referring to Pokemon and Mario, is short sighted to put it bluntly...:(
As for the topic on hand, if the Wii really does revolutionize (GAH) gaming as Nintendo claims it will then it very well could gain an audience that never played games before, but as already mentioned Sony has an audience nearly 100,000,000 strong. So I believe the only way that Nintendo could truely gain the lead next gen is to take customers away from Sony...:Dsorry but thats just my opinion
nobody has to agree with me :lol: :wink:
Booneabal
05-01-2006, 07:15
I won't. I'm with the Ps3.
Anyone else?
You guys solid too?
Ok, looks like the PS3 will dominate.
Pikachuu go home.
how many versions of Poke-Ya-Mom is there anyway?
lordmadjack
05-01-2006, 07:22
I advise doing a search, I would bet around 25, maybe more...but you can't deny its sales...Nintendo has made bank off of games like this for years :D
ya I know it sales!
but if it's not KIDS or Girls buying the games, Who are??
35 year old men?
lordmadjack
05-01-2006, 07:42
Lol you'd be surprised :p
I've seen men in their twenties playing Pokemon before...:p
roxormyboxors
05-01-2006, 08:15
Pokemon is addictive if you get into the game. It may not have blood or violence but I have seen grown men playing it for hours, and they are not gay or nerds or friendless. Just regular people.
i'm not sure if u guys saw my post since it was on the bottom of the last page, but i think as good as the rev might be, nintendo really shot themselves in the foot with the gay wii name! :D
i actually think the console is gonna be pretty good and i'm sure some of the games are gonna be sweet, but the name just kills it!
who wants to talk to their friends about their wiis? :lol: that just sounds so much like potty jokes...
it's like, "mommy, i need to go pii pii with my wii wii" :lol:
did nintendo consult any americans at all when they came up with this crap?!
u know, i have to say i'm a lot less worried about the rev doing to much damage to ps3 sales now that nintendo has made the biggest marketing fiasco EVER! okay that may be an exaggeration but what the hell is "WII"?!!!! :lol:
thats just STUPID! it's like look at my wii wii. what kid above the age of 5 is gonna want this? it's just too retarrded. and GAY. i'm sorry, but this is the worst name for a console OF ALL TIME! there is nothing that comes close. even "pc engine" sounds way more "cool" than lil' wii wii.
nintendo must be smoking crack. REVOLUTION was actually a pretty cool name, especially since it made a lot of sense. yeah, they had us shaking a little bit with the cool name and the controller, which really is supposed to be revolutionary. hence the cool and fitting name.
now we got pee wii to contend with...what a joke! :lol: i've never seen greater marketing suicide than this.
and have they thought that maybe WII is a little too close to WWII?!!! yeah, i'm sure japanese nintendo is really gonna want their product to be reminding everyone of WORLD WAR II, a war that not only did they ATTACK PEARL HARBOR as well as RAPE CHINA and a lot of other s.e. asian countries, and a war where THEY ALIGNED WITH HITLER, but also that THEY LOST and got the crap kicked out of them by the BIG BROTHER USA, getting pwnd by not one but TWO ATOMIC BOMBS!!!!
yeah, that's really smooth nintendo! :lol: it's no wonder sony got an american ceo, maybe nintendo should start thinking about it.
wii, what a total laugh!!! :lol:
okay, i take back what i say again as i think wii definitely has a good chance now to really hurt sony, not only in japan where it is king, but in the states too.
with ps3 now adding tilt to their controllers, similar but less advanced than the wiimote, that just tells me they really think nintendo is onto something.
and i think as time comes, when casual gamers (who are 90% of the buyers) start discussing ps3, wii is gonna come up a lot now cause of the whole controller situation, and then that's gonna sway a lot more people into wii.
i have to say i was impressed with the wii demo. "twilight princess" looks good with the wiimote, like pulling the bow, etc.
i also wonder whether games might come with wiimote add-ons. sorta like the included controller for guitar hero, but it would just be like a piece of plastic that you can attach the wiimote to.
for example, if u bought a golf game, then the add on would be like a plastic golf club that attaches below the wiimote. so you can swing the whole thing like a real golf club, and the motion is sensed through the wiimote.
u can have the same plastic add-on for a baseball game, where you swing a bat attached to the wiimote, or a fishing rod, or anything you can imagine!
i'm thinking that's gotta be up nintendo's sleve somewhere, it makes too much sense.
and then the speaker in the wiimote is pretty innovative. i can see how that would add dimension to the games, even though i usually crank up my 5.1 so loud i dont think i would hear the sounds off the wiimote.
but the thing is that it looks a lot easier to control than the ps3 controller.
i mean, did u see that guy play warhawk? this is the developer of the game and HE SUCKED!!! i mean, first of all, he looked kinda stupid, leaning his body and making over exaggerated movements. then worse, his control was horrible, the plane was all over the place and he nearly fell off the platform when he landed.
now if this is the developer and he sucked, imagine how crappy most of us are gonna be at it!
hey, sony may still have time to improve on it, but just looking at the wii demo showed me how much further nintendo has got it down.
and remember, wii was developed with this whole controller in mind. every new game is gonna be taking advantage of the controller. so far, only warhawk has anything to do with the motion sensor on the ps3 controller, and it was only an ADD-ON, not even developed with motion sensing in mind.
the only bad thing about wii is that the graphics look last-gen. i mean, it's only 2 times more powerful than xbox, which is good for last gen, but falls short for now.
however, it's also 1/2 the cost of 360 and 1/3 the cost of ps3 so that's crazy cheap. if they can make enough units, i think wii can outsell ps3 this xmas.
and about the name, even though i'm not in love with it, i'm more used to it now and it's actually kinda catchy. it's like yeah, it's original, and u don't forget it. revolution, looking back, sounds kinda old and cliche.
man, it's crazy, i love ps3 but it's like my heart just tells me its not like how ps2 was with xbox and gamecube. what a sad, sad day.
Maybe in Japan because there is a huge fan base for Nintendo products.
Deletegmc
05-10-2006, 21:08
I actually think nintendo are more affected by the ps3's price than the other way round. Nintendo said they wanted the wii for non gamers and as a second console but non gamers when buying a console usually buy the most popular one which i believe will be the ps3 and because the ps3 is so expensive people wont be able to afford a second console so i think nintendo might be screwed
I actually think nintendo are more affected by the ps3's price than the other way round. Nintendo said they wanted the wii for non gamers and as a second console but non gamers when buying a console usually buy the most popular one which i believe will be the ps3 and because the ps3 is so expensive people wont be able to afford a second console so i think nintendo might be screwed
yeah that's a good point though u kinda wonder whether the # of people that can afford to ONLY buy ps3 will be greater than the # of people that CAN'T afford ps3 and must then buy wii.
if not, then nintendo wins on this. somehow, i think people who can afford ps3 can easily afford another wii, though...
AdreneLyne
05-11-2006, 02:12
This was on a forum of mine I like to view:
After E3, which console will you buy?
Wii 26 70.27%
360 2 5.41%
PS3 9 24.32%
Wow, and I know the numbers of people is low now, but it will grow, and obviously in the Wii's direction.
Before E3, a similar poll, had PS3 at first. Now this poll, after E3, has Wii at first.
Does not look good, I'm imagining another DS/PSP thing. That pisses me off..
Crazy Phat
05-11-2006, 02:15
Can you provide me a link to that poll. It is a forum, consumers won't really care since the Playstation is the most popular. But Nintendo will succeed and sell well.
UCONN for life
05-11-2006, 02:17
AdreneLyne, the PSP situation is picking up for Sony. PSP is headed in the right direction. So will PS3, Heavenly Sword and Resistance are getting a lot of attention right now as looking really good, and Sony is obviously gonna show more stuff on PS3 before launch, so its not so dire. Once the gimmicky part of Wii wears off, people will be like "These graphics suck" Graphics do matter, and if you think otherwise, you're a fool. If graphics didn't matter, we would be seeing PS1 quality graphics on PS3, with updated play, such as more people on screen.
AdreneLyne, the PSP situation is picking up for Sony. PSP is headed in the right direction. So will PS3, Heavenly Sword and Resistance are getting a lot of attention right now as looking really good, and Sony is obviously gonna show more stuff on PS3 before launch, so its not so dire. Once the gimmicky part of Wii wears off, people will be like "These graphics suck" Graphics do matter, and if you think otherwise, you're a fool. If graphics didn't matter, we would be seeing PS1 quality graphics on PS3, with updated play, such as more people on screen.
i dont know about that. ds graphics sux compared to psp and its outselling psp everywhere in the world and selling about even in the states.
ds kinda proves that games that on paper sound gay like nintendog and brain age can actually be fun and sell well...
I thought it was a joke when they said the graphics would be like the Gamecube's...
but damn :shock:
they are actually repackaging the GCN with a new controllor
(which Sony invented & scapped 6 years ago)
and alot of sad dumb mutherfuckers are buyin into it :no
MasterRegal
05-11-2006, 04:20
I'm really worried about the PS3. Wii has done surprisingly well and their booths seem to be more packed than the PS3. This shows a greated interest.
The news/reviews/blogs about the PS3 has not been good either. There has been a great deal of positives, but that is accompanied with equal naegatives. It seems to me Wii has a growing chance of being the victor in this battle. It just seems the PS3 has not been able to really impress the developers/journalist. Yes, there are exciting features and games, but it seems like Wii is winning.
I hate to say, but I feel sorry for Sony and now I'm uncertain about PS3. I read posts after posts, blog after blog, and most people seems to have put the PS3 on hold and either go for a Wii or 360.
Don't now what's going to happen.
Today in school I talked to a group of my friends about the PS3 and though they were impressed about somethings, they stopped short of saying they will buy one. Again, I'm worried.
there are more ppl in the world that care only for graphic
and wouldn't even think about buyin a Wii cuz they'll think it has shit graphics and a gimmick controllor
it's gettin good press cuz it's New, it's a gimmick, it will ware off
and then what will you have?
a reboxed Gamecube with a controllor they could of brought of for the original GCN :no
StitchJones
05-11-2006, 04:44
Nintendo is heading for another whole demographic. I would bet though that most all of the gamers that buy a Wii are gonna have a PS3 or 360. The PS3 will win this gen no doubt, I don't think it'll be as big as last Gen though. regarless of what some people think the 360 is making some headway, but that's to be expected. MS has a LOT of money to put up a real fight. I'll have both anyway... :wink:
One thing I don't understand is why it's so imperative for some people to want one system to totally win out over another. If the PS3 was all there was in next gen gaming, then I think that would be very bad for the gaming community overall. There HAS to be two next gen systems at all times. it keeps the other homest and innovating. The 360 took a lot of things from previous successful consoles and incorporated them, and Sony has taken some of the things MS has done well and incorporated them. That's good for us all.
This was on a forum of mine I like to view:
After E3, which console will you buy?
Wii 26 70.27%
360 2 5.41%
PS3 9 24.32%
Wow, and I know the numbers of people is low now, but it will grow, and obviously in the Wii's direction.
Before E3, a similar poll, had PS3 at first. Now this poll, after E3, has Wii at first.
Does not look good, I'm imagining another DS/PSP thing. That pisses me off..
actually, that's CRAZY!!!!!
70+% for wii?!!!! i never imagined that!
i'm not surprised 360 is down to 5% since the buzz is long gone and it's just boring now.
but i was more like expecting 30% for wii, 5% for 360, and 65% for ps3! i mean, that seemed already generous to wii.
now the news is just super scary. this is a gloomy day.
as i said it before, less market penetration for ps3 means less exclusives for us, meaning less differential with ...gross...360.
i mean, it's like we already lost gta4, that used to be so cool knowing we had like a year exclusive on that. you just wonder what's next?
plus wii, who would have guessed it would be THIS successful. man, they're pretty smart, letting sony and m$ kill each other and then sneak up with sneak attack and kill both of them!
even sony's last minute attempt at the wiimote makes ps3 look SO bad! i mean, it was like we had all the latest technology like cell and rsx, but now we have to say our controller's motion sensor is not even nearly as sophisticated as wii's!
and wii is like $150-$200 bucks!!!!! for a ps3 premium, u can buy 3 wiis!!!!!!!
gamers and parents are gonna start asking, is ps3 THREE TIMES THE FUN of wii?!!!!!!!
I was listening to 1Up's 1Up Yours today
and what one of them said it true
alot of ppl went to E3 with Sony hate
and that ain't good cuz apart from price Sony don't deserve the dissin
and if ppl don't buy the PS3 , this wont just be bad for Sony or there fans
sony will bring the whole gaming industry down with it
think about the money all the devs are puttin into the PS3,
they'll be losing out too
and it will effect everybody(yes even you cocky 360 fans)
please think about before post some dumb shit
I think Wii will come out of the gate quickly to lead all console sales at the end of the year, but may possibly fade in Year 2 or 3.
At the same time, I think PS3 will start slower than most people expect, largely due to the price of the console, but will build momentum as time goes by to eventually once again dominate the industry.
I think this has to do with two major factors - 1) Wii's current gen graphics, and 2) PS3's Blu-Ray.
While gamers may still be accustomed to Wii's level of current gen graphics now, in a couple years time, when PS3 and Xbox 360 are pushing the limits of what we know as videogame graphics and "next gen" evolves into "current gen", the Wii graphics are going to really stand out as last-gen, at least for the hardcore gamers.
Also, as time goes by and HD adoption goes up, PS3's Blu-Ray offering is going to look more and more appealing. Coupled with a small price drop on PS3, gamers are going to recognize more and more that only with PS3 can they stay in the present of gaming, at least if they are looking for the latest graphics and features.
Wii will probably be number 2 though, behind PS3, since it still has that uniqueness in the gameplay. If they can also add more connectivity with the DS (and DS2, etc.), I think it will continue to sell.
CrownOfLove
05-13-2006, 22:34
they are actually repackaging the GCN with a new controllor
(which Sony invented & scapped 6 years ago)
Yeah, you know sony also invented halo but then scrapped it 'caue it wasn't good enough for the ps2 :lol:
honestly this is the kind of fanboy rubbish that i expect from ignorant 7 year olds
or maybe you are 7? if you are then i apologise
even sony's last minute attempt at the wiimote makes ps3 look SO bad! i mean, it was like we had all the latest technology like cell and rsx, but now we have to say our controller's motion sensor is not even nearly as sophisticated as wii's!
i really think sony shot themselves in the foot with that. i think if you are gonna blatantly copy a company then atleast make sure your product is better then theirs. all sony have done is make anyone who laughed at teh wii, laugh at them.
I think Wii will come out of the gate quickly to lead all console sales at the end of the year, but may possibly fade in Year 2 or 3.
i disagree. i think that if Wii suceeds, then it's sales in comparison to ps3 and 360 will increase. think about it, nintendo and ps3 both have massive fanbases so they wil both sell out after launch, but if the Wii really catches on as nintendo hopes it to, it could acheive i-pod level status in a way that everyone will be interested in this new way to play games.
yugioholsson
05-13-2006, 22:57
Well imo i reckon the new nintendo won't do anything because lets look at past actions now in Australia i can't find in harvey norman or big w nintendo game cubes games or even the console. I reckon it will just be the same thing time after time the only thing that's keeping nintendo afloat is the ds imo. hehe just give it time it will fade out again 8)
CrownOfLove
05-13-2006, 23:17
Well imo i reckon the new nintendo won't do anything because lets look at past actions now in Australia i can't find in harvey norman or big w nintendo game cubes games or even the console. I reckon it will just be the same thing time after time the only thing that's keeping nintendo afloat is the ds imo. hehe just give it time it will fade out again Cool
if nintendo succeds it won't be because they're nintendo. but because they are offering a new way to play games. don't let yourself believe that just because a company has a sucessful history it is bound to be successful with a product. look at sega after the megadrive(which was basically on par with the Snes for marketing dominance). two consoles later and they were out of the video-game market. nintendo were in a simular position after the gamecube was relased. if they released a ninteno version of teh ps3 or 360 they would most liely fail, but nintendo has gone somewhere new that i think sony and microsot and sony will likely follow soon. (sony has already started with the ps3 controller)
yugioholsson
05-13-2006, 23:21
if nintendo succeds it won't be because they're nintendo. but because they are offering a new way to play games. don't let yourself believe that just because a company has a sucessful history it is bound to be successful with a product. look at sega after the megadrive(which was basically on par with the Snes for marketing dominance). two consoles later and they were out of the video-game market. nintendo were in a simular position after the gamecube was relased. if they released a ninteno version of teh ps3 or 360 they would most liely fail, but nintendo has gone somewhere new that i think sony and microsot and sony will likely follow soon. (sony has already started with the ps3 controller)
I agree with you everything u said and i must say sony has brought out another great tech which would be that card for the eye toy there are so many applications that can be used for that hehe
CrownOfLove
05-13-2006, 23:34
yeah i thought the card thing was actually really cool. i wouldn't quite say it was a solid looking game yet but i think the eyetoy is really cool. and while i don't hink it's quite the same level as the Wiimote, i think if sony pushes hard with it manages to make more proper games that use it they could attract alot of non-gamers to the ps3, as the eyetoy did for the ps2.
I think Wii will come out of the gate quickly to lead all console sales at the end of the year, but may possibly fade in Year 2 or 3.
i disagree. i think that if Wii suceeds, then it's sales in comparison to ps3 and 360 will increase. think about it, nintendo and ps3 both have massive fanbases so they wil both sell out after launch, but if the Wii really catches on as nintendo hopes it to, it could acheive i-pod level status in a way that everyone will be interested in this new way to play games.
You have a good point. I'm pretty confident that Wii will sell out at launch, so I guess it's up to Nintendo to be able to ship as many consoles as possible at launch. With it near the holiday season, I think Wii has the potential to have one of the biggest launches of all time.
The Ipod comparison is a really good one. From what they say the Wii's price will be ($150-$200), it's very similar to how Ipods are priced, if not even cheaper. The Wii is affordable for almost any type of household income, and can also be an "impulse" buy.
If someone sees a display in the store with people crowding around the Wii kiosk and playing it, I can see how that can fuel an impulse buy. And the use of the "Wii-mote" I think is a lot more compelling to the casual gamer than seeing someone play with the traditional controller on the PS3 or Xbox 360.
Like I said before, I see Wii jumping out of the gate quicker, but can it really sustain its lead? That's the hard question. Overall, I think the next-generation graphics of PS3 and Xbox 360 is going to give those consoles more shelf-life, but we'll see.
No one has really seen the potential of the Wii graphics engine, all we know is that it can't do HD resolutions. For people without HDTVs though, I guess the graphics of Wii are going to be good enough.
CrownOfLove
05-14-2006, 12:14
Like I said before, I see Wii jumping out of the gate quicker, but can it really sustain its lead? That's the hard question. Overall, I think the next-generation graphics of PS3 and Xbox 360 is going to give those consoles more shelf-life, but we'll see.
i dunno. i mean minus the fanboys who buy ps3 and the fanboys who buy Wii, i think they may sell about te same at first (i think the ps3 would have sold more but it's high price will put alot of people of). but i think if the Wii really is a new way to play games then it could become the new cool thing for many years to come. think about it, sony's goal: to make a powerful console that does what the ps2 did, but better= lots of sony fanboys buy it. the trouble is, alot of people i know who have ps2's are little kids who's parents buy it because the playstation brand is well known, but the high price will put ALOT of potential buyers off. nintendo on the other are aiming to turn many non-gamers into games, and their lack of focus on graphics may actually intruige people into them. but i think if Wii gets to the top, then it might very well stay at the top. if nintendo can achieve what they are hoping to then the ps3 and xbox 360 will have little they can give to stop them.
lordmadjack
05-14-2006, 12:16
I think you underestimate the need of the japanese to own the latest tech...Its insane man...
I fore see a complete sell out in Japan easy :D
CrownOfLove
05-14-2006, 12:25
well i think it will be a dissapointment if they don't sell out in most places straight away. but my point is you can't deny that the Wii with it's massive ambitions has the potential to be bigger then the ps3 or the 360.
You could be right. The thing about Wii is its price. If it's around $150-$200, then I think it going to make a killing. Some iPods cost more than that.
About the Japanese needing the latest technology, in an ironic way, the Wii will be seen as the latest technology. This is because it introduces a totally new style of gameplay.
Ironically, even though the Cell and RSX is way more advanced technologically than Wii, the PS3 could be seen as less an advacement by the Japanese, and more of just an improvement on last gen's PS2.
After reading how both Moore and Harrison think that people will buy both a Wii and their console, and are both fighting to be second console to Wii, I really think Wii is going to play a huge role in deciding the winner this generation.
chopchopyep
05-14-2006, 15:03
About the Japanese needing the latest technology, in an ironic way, the Wii will be seen as the latest technology. This is because it introduces a totally new style of gameplay.
Ironically, even though the Cell and RSX is way more advanced technologically than Wii, the PS3 could be seen as less an advacement by the Japanese, and more of just an improvement on last gen's PS2.
No.
What makes you think so?The japanese are gfx maniacs, so expect a FF13 with FF7 tech demo quality to sell more than any other final fantasy before.Everywhere you see its graphics this, graphics that.The PSP would be running way better if they would be releasing games for it, people love the console, but they dont get the games for it.After the big Ridge Racers craze the big excitement was over.
The favorite FF in japan is FFX.When asked why, they say because of the visuals(and the girls love the "cute" hero, haha).
Then you have a new movie player discs, and people are so quick to jump on it...the laserdisc was successful in japan, they released tons of movies and animes for it, and dvds are allready throwaway products in japan, they are almost like VHS tapes.
The wii will never have a "tech" aspect in japan, it will be marketed as "fun" or like a DS for the TV.
Actually I agree with you, I know the Japanese are huge on anime RPGs and graphics. If you read some of my previous posts on the thread, you'll see I said I think the PS3 will actually have a longer shelf life than Wii because of its HD graphics.
I was just making a comment that I think ironically the Japanese will see Wii as more "technological" (maybe I meant innovative) than the PS3 because of the new gameplay of the Wii-mote, not that the Wii is actually more technologically advanced.
die4ps3
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as i said it before, less market penetration for ps3 means less exclusives for us, meaning less differential with ...gross...360.
LIke I stated when the backlash over the price was going on. I never had a proble with the price, but non tech heads or non forum going, who DON'T know what they are getting might reject it. See the thing about 'waiting' for the price to go down is that devs will be looking at CURRENT installed bases. That what worries me so much. Installed base is what saved the PS2's ass, from devs who were angry to have to learn Assembly programming. Your words rings truest my friends. Lets hope the games being made currently for the PS3 are compelling.
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You could be right. The thing about Wii is its price. If it's around $150-$200, then I think it going to make a killing. Some iPods cost more than that.
About the Japanese needing the latest technology, in an ironic way, the Wii will be seen as the latest technology. This is because it introduces a totally new style of gameplay.
Ironically, even though the Cell and RSX is way more advanced technologically than Wii, the PS3 could be seen as less an advacement by the Japanese, and more of just an improvement on last gen's PS2.
ye-toy2 my friend, and the card battle interactive game. The japanese people will eat that up as much. Sony, needs to get better eye-toy games, theres to lose.
About the Japanese needing the latest technology, in an ironic way, the Wii will be seen as the latest technology. This is because it introduces a totally new style of gameplay.
Ironically, even though the Cell and RSX is way more advanced technologically than Wii, the PS3 could be seen as less an advacement by the Japanese, and more of just an improvement on last gen's PS2.
No.
What makes you think so?The japanese are gfx maniacs, so expect a FF13 with FF7 tech demo quality to sell more than any other final fantasy before.Everywhere you see its graphics this, graphics that.The PSP would be running way better if they would be releasing games for it, people love the console, but they dont get the games for it.After the big Ridge Racers craze the big excitement was over.
The favorite FF in japan is FFX.When asked why, they say because of the visuals(and the girls love the "cute" hero, haha).
Then you have a new movie player discs, and people are so quick to jump on it...the laserdisc was successful in japan, they released tons of movies and animes for it, and dvds are allready throwaway products in japan, they are almost like VHS tapes.
The wii will never have a "tech" aspect in japan, it will be marketed as "fun" or like a DS for the TV.
No idea where you got that impression, but that's totally the opposite of what Japanese console buyers are like.
It's actually Americans who care more about graphics.
CrownOfLove
05-14-2006, 17:12
About the Japanese needing the latest technology, in an ironic way, the Wii will be seen as the latest technology. This is because it introduces a totally new style of gameplay.
Ironically, even though the Cell and RSX is way more advanced technologically than Wii, the PS3 could be seen as less an advacement by the Japanese, and more of just an improvement on last gen's PS2.
No.
What makes you think so?The japanese are gfx maniacs, so expect a FF13 with FF7 tech demo quality to sell more than any other final fantasy before.Everywhere you see its graphics this, graphics that.The PSP would be running way better if they would be releasing games for it, people love the console, but they dont get the games for it.After the big Ridge Racers craze the big excitement was over.
The favorite FF in japan is FFX.When asked why, they say because of the visuals(and the girls love the "cute" hero, haha).
Then you have a new movie player discs, and people are so quick to jump on it...the laserdisc was successful in japan, they released tons of movies and animes for it, and dvds are allready throwaway products in japan, they are almost like VHS tapes.
The wii will never have a "tech" aspect in japan, it will be marketed as "fun" or like a DS for the TV.
No idea where you got that impression, but that's totally the opposite of what Japanese console buyers are like.
It's actually Americans who care more about graphics.i think you're quite right.
and i defiantly don't think that rpg's and better graphics will be enough to stop the Wii. look at the psp and the Ds. the psp has better graphics and probably more confirmed rpg's and yet Ds is beating them alot there.
also alot of sony fan's seem to cling to the hope that because the ps3 is the most powerful console, it will be amazingly well recieved. Have all you forgotten that the playstation outsold the notably better graphics of the N64. and look at the xbox 1, it was teh technical best of the last gen, but it was basically a flop over there.
The wii will never have a "tech" aspect in japan, it will be marketed as "fun" or like a DS for the TV
hmm i disagree with that. you shouldn't really say the technology of the Wii is better or worse then the PS3. interms of what they do for the industry, the Wii technology is actually alot more important if you think about it. And i think it's futuristic style of playing and solid launch titles will make being #1 in japan quite likely
chopchopyep
05-14-2006, 17:50
look at the psp and the Ds. the psp has better graphics and probably more confirmed rpg's and yet Ds is beating them alot there.
Can people stop talking about stuff they dont know/understand?
The PSP had an amazing launch, they sold out every last PSP in a couple hours.But after the launch craze, and the hype of Ridge Racers, and Metal Gear Acid died down, there was no new games for it, so people stoped going crazy about it.
The "probably more confrmed rpgs" thing tells me you dont really look at whats happening in japan, theres a new DS game coming every week in japan, and the DS has allready tons of RPGs, and tons of RPGs coming out soon like remakes of FF, Xenosaga...anime RPGs like ZOIDS and Gundam, Super Robot Taisen...the DS has more RPGs out, than any person could actually play.
There are no new games for the PSP, thats what makes the difference, the PS3 will just not have that problem, with many established big selling hits coming back with a sequel allready in the first year of the consoles release.(Tekken, Ridge Racer, Virtua Fighter, Devil May Cry, GT, Final Fantasy, MGS, Suikoden etc.)
The wii is not a "tech" item.Just like the DS is not a "tech" item.Its that simple.With "tech" you mean movies-music-internet and so on.
Nobody will consider the wii an item for technology shows, theres tons of controllers in japan...arcades with fishing rods, guns, everything you can imagine, the wii is just bringing that arcade stuff home, you can see every stupid idea in japan in the arcades, even horse racing games with horses where you have to whip the horse to go faster.
Both consoles will selout every last console they ship for a long time in japan.So its too early to say who will be #1.And anyway, the sequels will sell consoles, a final Fantasy 13 is going to move a massive amount of consoles.
Have all you forgotten that the playstation outsold the notably better graphics of the N64.and look at the xbox 1, it was teh technical best of the last gen, but it was basically a flop over there.
The N64 didnt have the games, after 2 years the hardware didnt offer anything, no 3rd party support, konami wasnt really trying, namco wasnt trying.The same games that made people buy the PS1 back then, are the same games that where released on the PS2, and that are going to be released on the PS3.
The only way the PS3 could fail in japan is if people dont like the games anymore, and there is not a sign of something like this(VF5-the most anticipated arcade of the year).
The xbox flopped because it had no games for the market.Halo and buffy the vampire slayer wont make anybody buy a console.Thats pretty much the reason why the 360 is flopping now, a PGR3 doesnt have the mass appeal that GT has.
CrownOfLove
05-14-2006, 20:49
The "probably more confrmed rpgs" thing tells me you dont really look at whats happening in japan, theres a new DS game coming every week in japan, and the DS has allready tons of RPGs, and tons of RPGs coming out soon like remakes of FF, Xenosaga...anime RPGs like ZOIDS and Gundam, Super Robot Taisen...the DS has more RPGs out, than any person could actually play.
:shock: ok my mistake. it's just that when psp was first shown i was seriously considering buying one, because from what i saw it had alot of solid looking rpg's on the way.
The PSP had an amazing launch, they sold out every last PSP in a couple hours.But after the launch craze, and the hype of Ridge Racers, and Metal Gear Acid died down, there was no new games for it, so people stoped going crazy about it.
well i think that most consoles sell out straight away. Yes the DS does have more games comign out, but i do think that's it's innovative approach to games has attracted alot of non-gamers
.With "tech" you mean movies-music-internet and so on.
well no actually i don't. tech =technology. The Wiimote is using a system where you can simulate real sword fighting, can open doors realistically, can play tennis and much more. as far as i can see that's some pretty amazing technology 8)
The N64 didnt have the games
sorry but that is a load of........ :roll: rubbish. the n64 had probably the best line up of games i've seen on a console ever. While i agree with you on the fact that the thrid party support slowed towards the end of it's lifespan, there were still quality titles being released towards the end.
The only way the PS3 could fail in japan is if people dont like the games anymore, and there is not a sign of something like this(VF5-the most anticipated arcade of the year).
well ultimately time will tell. don't count all your chickens before they hatch though. if you look at the games that japanese gamers have been saying they are lookign forward to from the next gen, then the majority seem to be Wii launches.
chopchopyep
05-14-2006, 20:55
You never offer a source or examples...this is boring.
sorry but that is a load of........ Rolling Eyes rubbish. the n64 had probably the best line up of games i've seen on a console ever.
Brrrr...they only had Ogre Battle in the RPG section.Not one fighting game, not one racing game except mario cart.Even the sega saturn had a better lineup, with Ogre Battle, Shining Force 3, Langrisser and many more, they had Virtua Fighter, Daytona, Sega Rally....like i said, this is boring.
MasterRegal
05-14-2006, 20:59
PS3 will sell in Japan. The first From November 2006 to March 2007, I think Sony don't have to worry about sales. They will sell. The problem comes after March 2007. If Nintendo can produce as many console as MS and Sony, then I think Wii could come out on top for the first few years. By the time the war is over, I still think it will either be Wii or PS3 on top followed by the 360. I'm having a hard time judging the 360 as it was released a year earlier. There is still a good chance it could be Wii, 360, PS3 or 360, Wii, PS3. I just don't know.
We have to watch price, how fast the fall, when they fall and so fort. I don't think MS will drop the price of the 360 as they still have a pricing advantage. Keep the price the same for a year more.
I think Sony should make two versions of the console for maybe two years, with the price droping to $399 and $499 for Christmas 2007, then discontinue the the 20GB version and only have one version and lower the price further.
Again, price is what is going to stick out. The average consumer does not understand technical specs and can't understand value in technology. We have to wait and see.
CrownOfLove
05-14-2006, 21:16
Brrrr...they only had Ogre Battle in the RPG section.Not one fighting game, not one racing game except mario cart.Even the sega saturn had a better lineup, with Ogre Battle, Shining Force 3, Langrisser and many more, they had Virtua Fighter, Daytona, Sega Rally....like i said, this is boring.
ok i admit that the n64 was teh worst console ever for turn-based rpg's
but game quality wise it was incredible, you want names? ok try these :
Perfect Dark , Lylat Wars, Majora's Mask, Banjo Kazoiee and tooie, pokemon stadium (it was actually pretty damn good), donkey kong 64, conker's bad fur day, paper mario, wwf, yoshi's story, harvest moon, teh fist couple of mario party games, mario golf, jet force gemini, 1080 snowbarding, ridge racer, seriously man i could go on for hours
in terms of beat-em-ups i agree that n64 wasn't fantastic, but it did have super smah bros (in my opinion the best beat-em-up ever apart from it's sequel)
and terms of racers i think it actually had a few really good'uns, f-zeroX was a hell of alot of fun, diddy kong racing was actually brilliant and i've still never played a racer that comes close to the multiplayer fun i had with mario kart 64
Look - In Edge Magazines Jan 2000 issue they listed the top 100 games of all time. N64 games took 3rd place with: Goldeneye(for me the first FPS that i truly loved) n64 also got 2nd with Mario 64 (Unbelievable, playstation has never had a platformer to rival mario. and the number 1 game voted by edge magazine and probably still seen buy a hell of alot of people as the greatest game of all is Zelda Orcarina Of Time which is simply majestic.
i own a ps1 and i think it's a very good console, but i can't name a single game apaert from FF7 that stands up to teh best of the N64
chopchopyep, I don't think anyone is saying PS3 isn't going to sell in Japan. People, including myself, just think the Wii has a chance to sell more at launch if they can actually supply as many units as people demand. After that, opinions differ. I think that PS3 will eventually have longer legs in Japan (PS3 and Xbox 360 in the US) than Wii because in maybe 3-4 years, Wii graphics are going to seriously look out of date. CrownOfLove and others thinks Wii can win this gen's console war outright.
But I do agree with CrownOfLove that Wii will be looked at as more as the "latest tech" in Japan. How could it not? You're talking about a controller that you can swing like a sword or baseball bat or tennis racket with vibration and sound coming out of it, versus the same controller you've used for 10 years except now you can tilt it like your analog stick, but without vibration. You can say PS3 has better graphics, but Xbox 360 has great graphics too, and it failed completely, so it can't be just graphics. If we're talking about what the Japanese are going to consider the "latest tech", like Cera and others have said, it won't be just improved graphics but actual "new" innovations like the Wii.
Crazy Phat
05-15-2006, 01:21
If Sony can out manufacture the Wii, then the Wii won't play spoiler.
CrownOfLove
05-15-2006, 13:05
I think that PS3 will eventually have longer legs in Japan (PS3 and Xbox 360 in the US) than Wii because in maybe 3-4 years, Wii graphics are going to seriously look out of date. CrownOfLove and others thinks Wii can win this gen's console war outright.
ii will be looked at as more as the "latest tech" in Japan. How could it not? You're talking about a controller that you can swing like a sword or baseball bat or tennis racket with vibration and sound coming out of it, versus the same controller you've used for 10 years except now you can tilt it like your analog stick, but without vibration.
you made some good points, but you've slighty contridicted yourself there.
i'm not saying that the Wii will defiantly succeed in beating the ps3, i'm saying that if the wii catches on then it's graphics won't be the reason. therefore if it does catch on and has some truly innovative games then it seems like to me that the ps3 and the 360 will be the ones that will look outdated. think about it, what seemed like better graphics to most people, amazing 2d graphics or rubbish 3d graphics. i think the majority woukd have picked 3d 'cause it adds so much to a game, so even if it's technically worse, the feel of a 3d game can be so much better that it will seem like the tech is light-years ahead
Man, I wasn't sure back a few months ago whether Revolution/Wii could even put a dent into PS3, but with this new announcement of being released just 2days after PS3, I don't know anymore.
The crazy thing is that Wii is 1/2 the price of PS3!!!! That's going to look really attractive to all the parents, especially in the ghetto. It's all about the ghetto style now these days, that's why Wii is gonna win out.
Parents these days, all they care about is saving money and also most of our parents grew up with Nintendo so that's why Wii is going to be so dominant. If you think $250 is not worth it for Wii, you're right, but parents don't know that!
All they see if $250 for Wii AND a game whereas PS3 is $600 with no games, so they gonna freak. It's no competition, parents be buying Wiis like hotcakes!
With all the hype plus PS3 not even being available until Spring 2007, Sony is gonnna get a super beatdown!!!!
If Sony can out manufacture the Wii, then the Wii won't play spoiler.
If Nintendo has the demand, I dont see how Sony can out-manufacture the Wii. The Wii is much simpler to manufacture.
Carsonal
09-14-2006, 14:35
Parents these days, all they care about is saving money and also most of our parents grew up with Nintendo so that's why Wii is going to be so dominant. If you think $250 is not worth it for Wii, you're right, but parents don't know that!
Hmmm, but I think parents would seriously question the quality of the Wii when comparing the price to the playstation.
Hmmm, but I think parents would seriously question the quality of the Wii when comparing the price to the playstation.
That's the thing, parents don't know jack about videogames! They just see NINTENDO and the super low price and BINGO! something lights up in their head and goes, "Christmas present for little Bobby!"
Parents won't go, wait, for $600 I get bluray, 60gb harddrive, the BEST games, hdmi, motion control, etc etc. They just see Nintendo which they played 20 years ago and the price.
Also, the whole media seems to be supporting Wii. You can hardly find any negative articles about it unlike PS3 so all the parents are gonna think we actually WANT a Wii instead of PS3.
Man, Sony really have a fight on its hands!
I don't know how many PS3/X360 loving guys are gonna leave their $60 juiced up madden or call of duty to play it on their lower speced wii.
Ricokillercon
09-14-2006, 17:50
Nintendo is dead in the parents eyes..
Kids dont "play nintendo" anymore...they "play playstation".
Cheaper = Inferior to the average consumer
I know...I work in retail
overthirtygamernj
09-14-2006, 19:10
Honestly, I think it helps the PS3. It is competition for the $ of people who can't get a PS3 for their kids for Christmas. Instead of the 360 being the only option---parents might buy the Nintendo this Christmas and the PS3 next.
C64isStillTheBest
09-14-2006, 19:12
Nintendo is dead in the parents eyes..
Kids dont "play nintendo" anymore...they "play playstation".
And the average age of the console games has gone up. That's why Sony is going after the grown up player that has the acquisition power to get a $600 console with more features than its competitors. Wii still has the "it's for kids" image that Nintendo has.
five6ix7seven
01-14-2007, 09:07
It's so funny, I was doing a random search and found this gem of a thread. The OP made an interesting observation about Wii being more successful than PS3 and this was about a year ago! Remember at that time, Sony had an iron grip on the console market GLOBALLY including both USA and Japan, not to mention Europe.
Guess the signs of Nintendo's rise to power was already showing. What's really beautiful about this thread was how many of you said THERE IS NO WAY Wii had any chance against PS3.
This is exactly why I LOVE the internet.
Dasimpse
01-14-2007, 10:33
Your gonna annoy a lot of people with re lighting this thread, maybe a few mods too lol.
You are right though, but your bashing the ps3 a bit too much at the minute man, you need to chill.
narutoboy
01-14-2007, 10:37
It's so funny, I was doing a random search and found this gem of a thread. The OP made an interesting observation about Wii being more successful than PS3 and this was about a year ago! Remember at that time, Sony had an iron grip on the console market GLOBALLY including both USA and Japan, not to mention Europe.
Guess the signs of Nintendo's rise to power was already showing. What's really beautiful about this thread was how many of you said THERE IS NO WAY Wii had any chance against PS3.
This is exactly why I LOVE the internet.
They haven't been proven wrong either, once the war actually gets kicked off and we're deep into it, then we'll see.....by the way, nice job bumping an old thread.....douche.
Zerostatic
06-20-2007, 21:01
I highly doubt the REV will do much to hurt the PS3 i mean this gen the Rev is behind hardware wise and people will see a difference in the graphic's though you have a good point about parent's seeing that the REV is a cheat next gen console compared to the PS3 but little kids can't see everything when they look into the gaming world they want the best.
So when they decide they will think hey the PS3 and 360 look way better thats what i want for christmas/birthday whatever. Most parent's wouldn't want to disapoint their kids. Everyone knows that if the REV sells out than the PS3 will too sales will look good for REV because they sold all their units but as the 2007 goes on the PS3's probably won't decline for a long time while the REV's won't sell nearly the same ammout as the PS3
so thats my predictionGood Prediction . . . . NOT
How about NOT necro-bumping old topics. >_>
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