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Originally I wanted a PS3 after i saw the KillZone 2 footage. Even then when i had my doubts about the footage, i still wanted a PS3 because of the popularity of the PS2 and how it affected me as a GameCube owner. It was really really bad. It came to the point where i struggled to find a gamecube title on any shelve in stores.
Anyway, fast forward to the present day.
Generally speaking, im very happy with Xbox 360 but at the end of the day, most 360 owners will realise that its just a gaming console and not an media hub Microsoft bill out to be. Especially when you can only stream certain types of video format over a certain type of equipment. The games were initially good, although i was only impressed by PGR3 and never e.g. CoD2 which looked crap from the demo i played, i decided not to buy it.
In relation to the latest news of the PS3, im on a weak ground. Part of me wants the PS3 to fail, by that I mean one day all the hype turned out to be just that...hype. No amazing visuals for example only because of my past experience with the gamecube. But part of me is also lacking in satisfaction of the 360 and more than willing in trading it in for a PS3, because right now, no games on sale interest me. In fact, by some of the games im rather insulted by how poor they look and play and yet are tagged 'next gen' and go on sale for silly money.
Coming on this forum, i had this mentality that I'd meet alot of fanboy hype and exaggeration and that the PS3 is just something being hyped to be a 360 killer, that the difference in every aspect will noticable. But i am open and willing to be sold into the idea of the PS3 being 'greater'. The thing so far that has caught my eye was the sleek hub/menu for the PS3 Online.
Its just the start of information given to us by Sony. I dont consider myself a fanboy, infact on 360 forums people call me a Sony fanboy, and here i've been called a 360 fanboy :) It's just the cautious negative approach i go into these things.
So im making a request for people to post here directly to me and try to sell me the PS3. Looking at the other threads, there are just so many scrambled arguments and over-exaggerations that if another 360 owner came here he would immediately leave, having a "fanboy" aurora feel to the forum. So thats why i'd like people to post directly to and treat this thread as a "How to convince a 360 owner to get a PS3" kind of feel to it.
But please, no blatanly biasness because chances are I'd be more put off with attitudes like that. :wink:
Bit risky mate. Think hot-coals, rake and you.
But I can relate with you on some things. I guess its a case of balance. I'm getting a PS3 after about 18 months after launch. In that time I will be playing my 360 and all the franchises I liked from the previous xbox, Live, Live Arcade and so on. Getting a Rev will be hard for me but not out of enthusiasm for the machine as I own fair bit of Nintendo kit and love it to death and thats from an old school SEGA freak. Its moreso the economics and trying to justify having three consoles again to my girl :oops:
I'm feeling this is going to be the best gen all round - for any console owner. Those old enough to remember the MegaDrive/Genesis+SNES era and bought or had both of those consoles in their house might agree. There was rampant fanboyism post MD leading up to SNES(like PS3 atm) but after a year or so we all had both machines and forgot about console rivalries. The games on both formats were very good for the most part and were coming thick and fast.
Get a budget/savings plan happening, buy deals/bundles if you can to save $$$'s and enjoy the great games on all these fine formats.
Good luck with this thread though mate - the attack will begin shortly no doubt :cry:
flame thread right here.
the attacks will just keep coming and coming... :lol:
Because Killzone, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Resistance, Motorstorm will rock your boat from day one.
The PS3 has a Blu-ray drive for a cheap price.
Beccause it's fully backward compatible with PS2 titles meaning you can still play God Of War 2 when it comes out.
It's interconnectable with the PSP so you can access content from your PS3 anywhere in the world.
Online play is free and looks to offer everything XBL is offering.
60gig Hard Drive standard.
as you can see these are all my opinions of why i should pick a PS3 over Xbox 360, if you like PC type games on the Xbox 360 then there's nothing holding you back.
Where people say it's games i'm more attracted to the stuff the PS3 can do.
Mael Duin
03-24-2006, 11:55
No one should attack Apollo. He made some good points about this forum. But oh yeah, don't sell your 360, I'm sure you will just regret it. If you have the money, buy PS3 too. I know I will buy both. And hopefully Revolution too, depends alot. Well actually only one person could stop me from buying it, my girlfriend that is. She hates Revo controller :(
There will always be some fanboyism in every forum which is getting larger. It's the price for popularity. Do as I did, ignore them. Don't reply if they are "flaming" you, just...ignore.
Its just the start of information given to us by Sony. I dont consider myself a fanboy, infact on 360 forums people call me a Sony fanboy, and here i've been called a 360 fanboy Smile It's just the cautious negative approach i go into these things.
"Balancers" are always good. When people are far too hyped and ignoring bad thinks, someone has to bring those up. Of course I can't stand guys who just post bad thinks about console(s) because they just try to lurk some bad news from everywhere, or start twisting words. (RAZ makes me sad)
I own an xbox360. I don't know if you feel the same, but I think it's like a more powerful xbox...I mean, it doesn't fell REAL NEXT GEN to me...Pgr3, Graw and Doa4 have fantastic visual and oh man HD is fantastic but....is just a more powerful xbox...plus some bugs, crashes and very poor xbox live marketplace contents (free stuff sucks and the rest costs too much...Geo Wars is nice but... 800 POINTS?).
Then I have to pay 59 buck per year for Xbox Live service when, most of time, hosting is made by other players (like in DOA4 or GRAW).
I think x360 LIVES from hype, because is the FIRST HD CONSOLE. I bought every console at launch and the 360 feels like the dreamcast to me...
The multimedia capabilites are VERY limited... maybe games like Gears Of War will make me change my mind but as now I think I wasted my money.
On the other hand there's the ps3...starting from the Blu-Ray and arriving to Internet Browsing even during gameplay it SEEMS far far superior. Just put the graphic aside for a second (assuming ps3 will have same/more bhp), the difference will be made by multimedia capabilities. By what Sony says the ps3 will be a multimedia monster: free location player, mp3, web browsing, movies, always-on...
If Sony delayed the launch I think it's quite confident about Ps3 success...and I'm waiting for that.
The House
03-24-2006, 12:11
Just leave him alone, and stop talking to him. or yell at him. :twisted:
No disrespect Apollo, but why should we bother to try and "sell" the PS3 to you? I personally couldn't care less either way - it's your money and time. You wanted/want a PS3, bought an Xbox 360 because it was available and there was no news on PS3. Now the PS3 launch plan and more news is out, buyers remorse has set in.
Why don't you make things easy for yourself? You want a games console, so make your choice based on the games out and coming out. Either sell your Xbox 360 now, or at least enjoy it until the PS3 comes out, and then make a decision on what consoles(s) best meet your needs and expectations...it's not difficult.
You want a general-purpose media HUB? So buy one, and don't rely on a "jack of all trades" games console to do it. As sophisticated as consoles are these days, I use mine for one thing only - games. I have a dedicated home WiFi/Ethernet media set-up which is totally separate and independently upgradable.
At least having separate "games" and "media" means your decision making should be easier, because the decision to buy whatever games console should be based purely on the games and related on-line services.
Evil_the_Cat
03-24-2006, 12:24
Well my advice to you is this, there is still 7 month to go until PS3 comes out, so keep your Xbox 360 for now. But if the machine will keep dissappointing you, then get rid of it and get a PS3 or REV whichever looks best to you.
Here is what you should do:
-Pre-order a PS3 and a Rev the firs chance you get
-Wait until TGS (Tokyo Games Show) which takes place around the end of Septrember.
-If after TGS you still feel like xbox 360 is not for you then get rid of it...
-So come november it should be easy enough to save up some money for eithe PS3 or Rev by then.
I for one am waiting for PS3 to be my first next-gen console and its not because of the graphics, I think that both PS3 and 360 can do very nice graphics, its just that right now PS3 game lineup seems so much better than what 360 will ever have to offer...
Here are some of the lists of games that we will be seeing on PS3:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3148332
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23991827
So if that doesn't sell you, then consider the feedback we got from GDC, which basically said that all games look amazing, perhaps not yet E3 good, but that's only a matter of time as I see it.
Rusty_Dagger
03-24-2006, 12:24
Well, it really depends on if you want to drop more money on the PS3. Don't sell your 360 unless your actually fed-up to the point where your probly barely going to play it when you have a PS3. Just ask yourself that qeustion.. Will I play my 360 as much as I'd like, if I had a 360, and a PS3? If you can say yes i would definetly play it than keep it for sure. If you don't really know than keep the 360 until the PS3 is at least released and compare. Or if you can say for sure that you would probly almost never use the 360 if you had a PS3, than sell it or if u have money just keep it for games like Halo 3 etc.. I'm not going to go into details as to what console has what because they both have great qualities and it basically comes down to what you'll use more often.
MajesticEdge
03-24-2006, 13:08
So im making a request for people to post here directly to me and try to sell me the PS3.
I'm not going to convince you to do anything. I'm not going to make you get a PS3 and I'm not going to make you not get a PS3. You do what you do and I could careless. People on an internet discussion forum shouldn't have to sell you on the PS3. We don't work for Sony and we have nothing to do with their marketing strategy. We are just a bunch of gamers who holds a high interest in the PS3. So don't look for us to do anything. If you want to be sold or not sold on the PS3, then look at the games coming out for it and that should be enough for you. If there is games that appeals to you, then get a PS3, if there aren't, then don't.
Apollo...That's the price you pay buying a console during it's launch period...you don't get the best games that show off the hardware and potential as no developer has tapped into it adequately enough...
Keep your 360...the games will come...
Suikoden Fantasy
03-24-2006, 13:23
I say I just show them game play and all the great games coming out. Blu-ray at a low price is an added bonus. Then again I would have to explain what Blu-ray is to my 360 friend. I know he'll get a little jelous when he sees me playing Killzone and Motorstorm and especially when he plays it.
Legend Killer
03-24-2006, 13:30
You don't need to convince anyone they all can think for themselve well I think they can lol... anyway its their decision to like or dislike a console everybody has their own opinion so its pointless to try and change that and besides let the product speak for itself look what happened to the dreamcast it can happen again believe me.
Makagoto
03-24-2006, 13:32
maybe you will be convinced by sony themself at e3 ? :lol:
i am much more satisfied with my x360 than you seem to be. but if sony shows some musthave games i am sold, even though i won't get it at release. sony does it right with pointing out what they will give you in their next generation, it seems to many people to be a bargain and i bet it is, but i care more for the games and less for the features.
It´s all about the games.
MajesticEdge
03-24-2006, 13:44
You don't need to convince anyone they all can think for themselve well I think they can lol... anyway its their decision to like or dislike a console everybody has their own opinion so its pointless to try and change that and besides let the product speak for itself look what happened to the dreamcast it can happen again believe me.
Exactly, the dude can look out for himself. That is just like him posting a thread about What clothes should I wear today? I mean seriously, think for yourself.
this could be a hall of shame thread. i mean, really, how silly do you have to be to come onto a ps3 forum to ask people to tell you the ps3 is good.
i mean, if you cant figure it out yourself, you dont DESERVE a ps3!
Not been bias or anything but the best way to convert somebody is to wait for the actual hardware to come out and just make fun of them as you play your brand new better looking PSP. Simple as that.You cannot convert anybody over to a product that is not even out, especially when the opposite product is out already and is not as bad compared to PS3
Some of you have mis-understood what im trying to say, or maybe i wasn't clear enough in my post.
I am happy with my 360, but people here make it seem that the PS3 will be even better. That makes you question your actual "happiness" of the console and then doubt whether or not you are happy, then you keep reading stuff on e.g. this forum and imagine how good the PS3 will be.
Not everyone here is a fanboy, most are actually kind level headed people - so i then think "they cant all be wrong". So what is it that people see in the PS3 that im struggling with? Because the sounds of it..it would be pointless in buying a 360 when the PS3 exists.
Best example is, someone wanting to buy a 40 inch SDTV and yet has the money to pay for a 23 inch HDTV, yet chooses the bigger screen over the small screen and dismisses the visual quality.
That's the perception im getting from being here, compared to being on 360 forums.
And to the people who dont care about my problem here, saying "i couldnt care less which you got", mind if you not post on the thread again please? Because if you really didnt care..you wouldnt have bothered. So there's no real reason to say that here when im asking for help from those who do care is it?
It's like going to a Republican vote ballot and saying "im not voting for this lot" and yet this vote.
P.S. Thank you for all those who did post positively. I'll wait until late Summer before making my final mind. :wink:
Well my advice to you is this, there is still 7 month to go until PS3 comes out, so keep your Xbox 360 for now. But if the machine will keep dissappointing you, then get rid of it and get a PS3 or REV whichever looks best to you.
Here is what you should do:
-Pre-order a PS3 and a Rev the firs chance you get
-Wait until TGS (Tokyo Games Show) which takes place around the end of Septrember.
-If after TGS you still feel like xbox 360 is not for you then get rid of it...
-So come november it should be easy enough to save up some money for eithe PS3 or Rev by then.
I for one am waiting for PS3 to be my first next-gen console and its not because of the graphics, I think that both PS3 and 360 can do very nice graphics, its just that right now PS3 game lineup seems so much better than what 360 will ever have to offer...
Here are some of the lists of games that we will be seeing on PS3:
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=3&cId=3148332
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=23991827
So if that doesn't sell you, then consider the feedback we got from GDC, which basically said that all games look amazing, perhaps not yet E3 good, but that's only a matter of time as I see it.
Are they all release titles (gamespot link)?? Wow, thats alot of games lol
Please don't double post, use the edit button. ~Cera.
And to the people who dont care about my problem here, saying "i couldnt care less which you got", mind if you not post on the thread again please? Because if you really didnt care..you wouldnt have bothered. So there's no real reason to say that here when im asking for help from those who do care is it?
You need to learn the differnce between somebody not caring about what you get, and not caring about you/your post per se. It's true, why would I let your decision affect me in any way whatsoever? I wouldn't!
Like I said, keep your Xbox 360 until PS3 launches. Then, when you are able to compare the two directly, make your decision on what best meets your needs and expectations. People can give you all the advice in the world, but at the end of the day, it is YOUR decision.
Oh, and in future, maybe you ought to think about how you ask for advice, because that will dictate the kind of response you get. We are not salespeople!
If the games turn out to be good, buy it. Plain and simple. Don't make the decision yet... people can rattle off all the games they want but there's no guarantee they'll turn out to be good.
If the games turn out to be good, buy it. Plain and simple. Don't make the decision yet... people can rattle off all the games they want but there's no guarantee they'll turn out to be good.
Doesn't that go against your teachings?
dman420bass
03-24-2006, 15:35
PS3 because it can do so much stuff, but most of all the games at launch will probably be better than anything 360 has so far already.
A low cost Blu-ray player.
PS1 & PS2 compatible plus runs them in high-def.
Online thats going to beat xbox live.
People even saying dvr capabilities.
Plus I like that every game has to be standard with widescreen and high-def because its anoying on ps2 when only certain games are widescreen that means I can finally put my big screen to the test.
Plus its mostly because sony is awesome since I got my ps1 when it came out and the ps2 so I know the ps3 will be awesome with the leap of power from the ps2 300mhz, to ps3 3.2ghz that a preety big leap.
Legend Killer
03-24-2006, 15:44
If the games turn out to be good, buy it. Plain and simple. Don't make the decision yet... people can rattle off all the games they want but there's no guarantee they'll turn out to be good.
Doesn't that go against your teachings?
LOL... yeah Aleman I have to agree with steroyd on this one.
If the games turn out to be good, buy it. Plain and simple. Don't make the decision yet... people can rattle off all the games they want but there's no guarantee they'll turn out to be good.
Doesn't that go against your teachings?
My teachings? No. Before the 360 launch I was almost 100% sure that both PDZ and Kameo were going to be AAA games. Look how that turned out.
I was also 100% sure Black was going to be AAA, considering it was from Criterion and the initial impressions were outstanding (especially on the 1up Show video podcast, they were going crazy over the demo).
And what about the first Killzone?
Basically, it's not uncommon for highly anticipated games to be let downs.
Eh, I'm just happy to see more games myself. I know a lot of Cube fans felt done dirty by the PS2, but the Cube also had some great games too.
Try to think less in terms of the haterade and more in the terms of what the PS3 has the potential to do for gaming instead of what it does or doesnt do to another console.
TMCrimeZ
03-24-2006, 16:05
I got my ps1 when it came out and the ps2 so I know the ps3 will be awesome with the leap of power from the ps2 300mhz, to ps3 3.2ghz that a preety big leap.
3200 mhz : 300 = 10.6
300: 33.87 (ps1 processor)= 8.85
So the leap between ps1 and ps2 was almost as big :)
But we only counted the speed so it might be bigger with the rest included
I agrees. Take a closer look at King Kong the game. It had really impressive graphics but I don't understand the game play. As a result I was not impressed by it or its hype. I've played its PS2 version. I might go and rent out its XB360 version soon and see if anything improve. Frankly I am looking forward to the new Tekkon game coming soon for the PS3. I heard its new graphics and user interface will rival DOA. I got the original games of the series and I was impressed. Maybe Nameco will do something with Tekkon's game engine to improve the next edition of Death by Degrees? It's just two credit worth of thought.
Some of you have mis-understood what im trying to say, or maybe i wasn't clear enough in my post.
I am happy with my 360, but people here make it seem that the PS3 will be even better. That makes you question your actual "happiness" of the console and then doubt whether or not you are happy, then you keep reading stuff on e.g. this forum and imagine how good the PS3 will be.
Not everyone here is a fanboy, most are actually kind level headed people - so i then think "they cant all be wrong". So what is it that people see in the PS3 that im struggling with? Because the sounds of it..it would be pointless in buying a 360 when the PS3 exists.
Best example is, someone wanting to buy a 40 inch SDTV and yet has the money to pay for a 23 inch HDTV, yet chooses the bigger screen over the small screen and dismisses the visual quality.
That's the perception im getting from being here, compared to being on 360 forums.
And to the people who dont care about my problem here, saying "i couldnt care less which you got", mind if you not post on the thread again please? Because if you really didnt care..you wouldnt have bothered. So there's no real reason to say that here when im asking for help from those who do care is it?
It's like going to a Republican vote ballot and saying "im not voting for this lot" and yet this vote.
P.S. Thank you for all those who did post positively. I'll wait until late Summer before making my final mind. :wink:
So what your saying is your a socialist gamer? You don't actually care about gaming you just want to have the console that is most popular?
Meh... :roll:
Off topic: St Jude, your avater rocks :lol:.
Legend Killer
03-24-2006, 17:24
And that is why I'm glad the PS3 have so many AAA sequels from popular developers like Konami, polyphony, square enix and many others you know you can trust them when they say a game will be good. but developers like EA, Criterion etc I really take their word with a grain of salt Epic is included also after that piece of shit they call Ureal championship 2 I wouldn't be surprise if gears of war turns out to be crap.
And that is why I'm glad the PS3 have so many AAA sequels from popular developers like Konami, polyphony, square enix and many others you know you can trust them when they say a game will be good. but developers like EA, Criterion etc I really take their word with a grain of salt Epic is included also after that piece of *expletive deleted* they call UT championship 2 I wouldn't be surprise of gears of war turns out to be crap.
You mean the UC2 that IGN gave a 9.3 and Gamespot gave a 9.0? :P
Legend Killer
03-24-2006, 17:31
And that is why I'm glad the PS3 have so many AAA sequels from popular developers like Konami, polyphony, square enix and many others you know you can trust them when they say a game will be good. but developers like EA, Criterion etc I really take their word with a grain of salt Epic is included also after that piece of *expletive deleted* they call UT championship 2 I wouldn't be surprise of gears of war turns out to be crap.
You mean the UC2 that IGN gave a 9.3 and Gamespot gave a 9.0? :P
I dont care what score it got on IGN or Gamespot that game was total garbage it was nothing like what most gamers expected I was very disappointed when I bought it.
me my brother and some of my friend bought this thing thinking this will be one of the best games online well trust me I'm not the only pissed off by epic games.
Im more excited about Gears of War than Halo 3 (although we know jack**** about that game).
GoW, hopefully, will be great. The in-game footage demo's have impressed me. Anyone else seen them yet?
Mael Duin
03-24-2006, 17:57
To me gameplay looks boring. I'm waiting for Prey more than Halo 3 or Gears of War.
Boogie Woogie
03-24-2006, 18:11
I for the life of me can't understand why people don't have patience to wait for all the next gen systems to be released to make a much better decision on just which console to get :roll: .
How do you convince a 360 owner? Prove to him that he can afford a PS3, tell him he won't have to wait 5 months for the exclusivity to go out on MGS and GTA titles, and that's it. It's just that simple.
I can tell you right now though, he won't be impressed with your "The PS3 is more mighty than the puny 360" talk.
shug7272
03-24-2006, 18:29
flame thread right here.
the attacks will just keep coming and coming... :lol: Why? I love the PS3. This is one of the most sensible threads I have seen in a while. PS3 and 360 have strong and weak points.
CashMoney
03-24-2006, 22:08
I've owned just about every available console per generation... including odd-balls like Turbographix, Jaguar, Neo-Geo... I was a huge Nintendo and Sega fan at one time too... I scoffed at Sony entering the market, but their games started to win my heart over, and here i started buying games mainly for the PSone, the Saturn/N64 started to collect dust...
the following gen i had less worries about Sony, and once again, I bought the most games for the PS2... I tried the xbox, bought a bit over 20 games... I never-ever abused my "return policy" at the EB i used to work at returning games within 2 or 3 days... Only Ninja Gaiden, Halo, and Crimson Skies were titles i held onto for the remainder of the time i had an xbox, till the day came when i was fed up and traded that brick in... It was also a glorious day telling the Live operator my reasons for cancelling Live... Sony had the games and gameplay...
Underpowered or not... Sony delivered more than what I expected from a gaming experience... Twice in a row... Over 10 or so years straight... Top notch gameplay... Titles i don't mind seeing sequels to, and actually look forward to... They had the games each time... I am FIRMLY confident they'll have it again... Looking at all the sequels i love coming out, i can't be wrong... I don't expect any less gameplay outta them one bit... And after seeing their tech-demo's, the Physics contained in them, the emphasis placed on it (mud affecting your suspension?! or how individual wheels caught up in those mud ruts throwing off the whole balance for example) I'm possitive I'll get another incredible jump from the past gen gameplay to this... The graphics i'm not worried about, they'll at the very single least be on par with the 360's, and most likely surpass it...
Plus with Blu-Rays features... and I'm actually getting interested in the Online plan of Sony now... Live video of your friends faces when you lap them?! that's just crazy...
the 360 is doing exactly what i expected it to... and, the comments associated made by people, that it's a half-gen jump, is correct... Flame me or not, i don't care... but, anyone can tell that you got a prettier Ghost Recon... a glossier Elderscrolls... but where the hell is the gameplay increase in these??? And those launch titles were horrible... CoD2 was a GOOD initial launch title... None of those games are worth buying a system for... like it or not... HALO 3 is where to bank your money for your first quality must have OMG game... outside of there, what's around? A next Ninja Gaiden prolly... from there what? Just a bunch of unproven games which may or may not turn out good... It's a risk...
The way i look at it, the PS3 will have those proven series on there... the FF's, Socoms, RnC's, GT, DMC, MGS, KH's... I know those games will deliver, so I'll at least be able to fall back on them... just incase the NEW UNPROVEN IP's don't deliver... but, all series start somewhere, it's just not as risky of a purchase into a PS3...
Call me a Fanboi or whatever... i really don't care... and if i come across that in other posts, I'm just critical of my hobby... Sony has yet to disappoint me, and from what i wrote above, you can see why they're my Console of choice... the games and gameplay... Thus i back them fully... I'll prolly pick up a Rev for the "different" style of gameplay if they can deliver on those claims, and the old classics from NES and SNES... right now... flame me or not, the 360 is still Dead to me unless they roll something out impressive... and more than one impressive title... Halo and Ninja Gaiden alone won't win me over, again...
Bit risky mate. Think hot-coals, rake and you.
But I can relate with you on some things. I guess its a case of balance. I'm getting a PS3 after about 18 months after launch. In that time I will be playing my 360 and all the franchises I liked from the previous xbox, Live, Live Arcade and so on. Getting a Rev will be hard for me but not out of enthusiasm for the machine as I own fair bit of Nintendo kit and love it to death and thats from an old school SEGA freak. Its moreso the economics and trying to justify having three consoles again to my girl :oops:
I'm feeling this is going to be the best gen all round - for any console owner. Those old enough to remember the MegaDrive/Genesis+SNES era and bought or had both of those consoles in their house might agree. There was rampant fanboyism post MD leading up to SNES(like PS3 atm) but after a year or so we all had both machines and forgot about console rivalries. The games on both formats were very good for the most part and were coming thick and fast.
Get a budget/savings plan happening, buy deals/bundles if you can to save $$$'s and enjoy the great games on all these fine formats.
Good luck with this thread though mate - the attack will begin shortly no doubt :cry:
i think the same
udontneed2know
03-24-2006, 22:16
Very nice post CashMoney. I'm alot like you having owned all the oddball consoles and dozens of other consoles over the generations. Some may view me as a Sony fanboy, but thats mainly because I am these days. I have had 10 of the best years of gaming in my lifespan because of the Playstation and the Playstation 2 and just like I gave Nintendo the props back then, I give Sony all the credit in the world now for what they have done to further along the gaming industry. Without them who knows where we would be today.
The thing that eases my worries already about the PS3, the very few I had, are the games already announced for the system. Plenty of exclusives like Heavenly Sword and Resistance and Ratchet and Clank and Devil May Cry and Final Fantasy and whatnot. But unlike most companies, like Nintendo, even though Sony is on top of the gaming world they do not settle for nothing but rehashes. Even their in-house development teams are the ones pushing the gaming boundaries with titles like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus and the Ratchet and Clank and Jax and Daxter franchises. So, with all these incredible returning franchises to look forward to on the PS3 I know for certain Sony themselves will continue putting out plenty of original and gratifying work I really have no worry in the world about the PS3 dissapointing. And somehow Sony keeps getting development crews to make awe-inspiring original work for the Playstation brand, even if the development crew is independant or a third party. Games like Okami are boggling my mind right now and its year 6 of the PS2's lifespan. Not many systems in history, if any, can say they have had AAA titles and big production titles hitting its system in year 6.
So as long as Sony keeps delivering the titles that peek my interest, they will continue getting my respect. The 360 is doing better with the original work, but it still feels like the exact same system as the Xbox. Tons, and I mean TONS of FPS's, racing games, and the occassional RPG ( hey and its exactly the same one as before, the sequel to Morrowind ). I think the big thing that turns me off right now about the 360 is that I don't need the system to play its best games. Call of Duty 2 and Oblivion are on the PC and most of its future titles that look interesting can be found elsewhere.
We'll see how it goes, I may end up with a 360 someday but for now I'm more then happy still with my PS2 and look forward to what the PS3 will provide to satisfy my next-gen gaming needs.
Edit: Actually the Xbox at first was in a much better state then the 360 game wise. During the Xbox's launch and first year they had great titles like ShenMue, Jet Set Radio Future, and Panzar Dragoon Orta to satisfy the hardcore gamers appetite. Nothing like those games exist on the 360 and looks like they never will.
Gameplay improvements? What gameplay improvements were there between last gen PS1 games and first gen PS2 games? Sheesh.
CashMoney
03-24-2006, 22:46
Gameplay improvements? What gameplay improvements were there between last gen PS1 games and first gen PS2 games? Sheesh.
If you can't tell the difference in gameplay, then i'm sorry for you... the responsiveness... interactivity with the environments... the combat options... all the added moves from new action/motion capture... show me something from the PS1 compareable to God of War... or DMC... or the new physics capabilities in the newer Gran Turismo's... How about the gameplay that became available to the GTA series? Plus the added power bumped up the graphics to slightly help you become more immersed in gameplay... Graphics can't do it alone, but it spices up the already sound gameplay established in the game...
Udontneed2know Thanks... It's nice to know others agree and understand what I'm talking about... It's all about how Sony delivered each time to us topnotch gameplay... Especially since it was no short order going up against the likes of Nintendo and Sega at that time... crushing them in a single console generation... Unlike other competitors tries... and it was all because of the games, and that's where the loyalty comes from, the gaming experience... Nice post...
GatecrasheR
03-24-2006, 22:51
Well, the good news is you have another 8 months to enjoy the 360. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure time will fly but 8 months is still a really long time! I garauntee by that point you will be enjoying your 360 a ton more. Usually after a year consoles grow into thier own by escaping thier growing pains. This whole topic is academic because in 8 months alot will have changed...
Well the gameplay aspect obviously is a key focus here considering the graphic aspect wont be the major aspect when compared to the 360, i feel.
Maybe this is what udontneed2know meant about the physics of games?
I'll tell you my experience from playing 360 games. I've never been an expert or actually someone who has noticed the phsyics behind games so obviously you can quick read this if you're expecting some jazz-of-a-review. Gameplay aspects such as physics will probably be noticable in e.g. racing games and sports games in general, and i haven't played any sport titles so i cant really comment. But e.g. Ghost Recon has destructible environment in both single player and Multiplayer. Seeing buses blown up is a real rush of blood lol.
But as you said, the Xbox is a favourite for FPS's - its not real surprise as this console is American and they love their FPS's. Just like Sony's PS brand is full of RPG's, although there is more of variety I'll admit.
So as the 360 doesnt really have games out now that bring the "physics" into question, can we really justify in comparing something that doesnt exist with someone that is being tipped to exist?
We see the Unreal Tech demo, obviously the visuals were nothing special but it seemed to show more so of the gameplay, e.g. how the barrels reacted to the shots. They rolled over and bounced up and down. Wow. lol. I mean come on, when you're playing an FPS the last think you'll be doing is looking at how accurate the holes look in the wall or to see how many times the barrell rolled over in relation to how much bullets you hit it with.
Or am i the only who thinks that? Physics are generally not that emphasised in FPS's or most non-Sport games and for a reason.
But personally, I'd like a wider variety of games, especially those manga-looking RPG's you see on that PS3 launch up. Ninety Nine Nights, some have heard of the game, looks really good and has been confirmed to be released in the West. Great, i just hope Microsoft risks in employing developers who dont just specialise in firearms and big explosions. Sooner or later though, it has to come good and i have faith that we will see a variety of games, especially by fall 2006. But the problem is the PS3. Developers know those kind of games will sell on that console and might not on the American market (the 360).
So what can MS do? They can pay those developers for future-losses, jsut to keep gamers happy. But..would they ever do that? :?
LOL Boogie, good question, I think its because...oh yeah thats right, we have nothing better to do, some here lack lives/girlfriends ect..so many are more apt to just keep spouting threads every 5 minutes creating new states of mind for the readers for the next 8 months.
"I for the life of me can't understand why people don't have patience to wait for all the next gen systems to be released to make a much better decision on just which console to get."
We will just become more and more impatient because we are all antsy for the PS3 and the perpetual thread dialouge only intensify's it...need to get out more.
Oh and for all you people who say there are no good games on the 360...with such expectations and judgements...be prepared to be dissapointed with your PS3.
oh and Square Enix, Konami, Capcom, ect...(who you say are the reliably "good" developers), they have all stated they will be making games for the x360, not only so but its likely they will be out for the 360 before the PS3.
CashMoney
03-24-2006, 23:13
Apollo
Physics are nice to have even in a FPS... imagine throwing a grenade into a pile of barrels, and the explosion has the chance to knock them into your enemy... or the same can happen to you! Or you get in a shootout and lite up a billboard so it falls over on the enemy... And it'll all be measured out realistically... as the object travels, it can lose speed and energy, thus it may just throw off your enemies shots, instead of knocking him over... It just adds a huge sense of immersion... and the fact that it can be done anywhere, anytime, and not a SCRIPTED environment action adds to the realism... Shooting your enemy you'll see them realistically react to getting hit in proper ways, not a scripted flinch...
Physics are going to become a main factor with rally type games now too, i'm so excited for... Mud drying on your suspension parts throwing off their handling balance since they don't have the same suspension travel?! That's absurd...
It's all about adding possible ways to kill your enemies... watching your back... Smoking everything in the environment leaving the room an absolute wreck... making sure you don't mess up your ride too much or you'll pay for it fighting it to do what you want it to do... All those physics add to the immersion of the game... what draws you in while playing...
findaway
03-24-2006, 23:15
GT is a good example there. Pop in GT2 for 15 minutes, swap it for GT3 and you feel a noticeable difference right away, not only in gameplay terms, nevermind about GT4, it gets even more drastic. Was just thinking of it.
Don't know what to tell to the topic starter really though. Where is this disappointment and desire to see them fail coming from? i see a lot of long faces just because the E3 hype is being put off. But, off? if anything, the tech demos from the recent conference made me more optimistic, things look promising.
They particularly focused on showing the system capabilities when it comes to physics, effects, environment interaction etc. Motorstorm in my opinion showcased very exciting things in those aspects, also, apparently it was all based on rather old builds of the game, who knows how everything is going nowadays. Other demos followed the same trend.
All this of course, while explaining how the interfaces implemented and online content would have an effect during gameplay. This was not intended to be a blowing mind visual festival where they would show nearly final builds of a game to wow us all, and praise how great the PS3 graphics are, neither was it the right place to do it.
That will come along, there are still 8 more months for all of that. Im looking forward to hear more about the games and the system features, enough to keep anyone who has owned a Playstation before in the loop.
dman420bass
03-24-2006, 23:41
I got my ps1 when it came out and the ps2 so I know the ps3 will be awesome with the leap of power from the ps2 300mhz, to ps3 3.2ghz that a preety big leap.
3200 mhz : 300 = 10.6
300: 33.87 (ps1 processor)= 8.85
So the leap between ps1 and ps2 was almost as big :)
But we only counted the speed so it might be bigger with the rest included
You don't even know what your talking about PS3 3200mhz=3.2ghz; PS2 300mhz. So the leap is 2.9ghz bigger than PS2, alot bigger than the leap between PS1 and PS2.
NUMA NUMA
03-24-2006, 23:56
only one person could stop me from buying it, my girlfriend that is
That is the strangest reason for not getting a console I have ever heard :lol: But I gues a man just has to do what he has to do.
Richard823
03-25-2006, 00:09
Nobody should be convinced to buy a Xbox360 over a PS3 by other people. You know way? Because it's a freaking stupid idea. Good products sell itself. In all means, nobody should justify their purchase. If that justification idea ever cross your head, you are a stupid inbreed moron. Why I say that? People should just buy what they like, enjoy it and STFU. People have different tastes over everything, so when people are comparing thing off their opinions. Those opinions are as valuable as a huge pile of redundent bull crap. Only facts matters and that's all. What gets to me is that people who get their X360 but still come to various PS3 forums to troll. Serioiusly, if all Xbox360 fans all of a sudden all STFU after 360 was released, that is actually an indication that they enjoy their system, and they don't have time to waste their life to spread rumors and pick fight on the internet. Hell that might even actually be a good reason to convince those hardcore PS3 fanboys who shout X360 suck to actually think that X360 is cooler, better than they thought. Yet what do we got here? 360 fanboys are still as vocal as ever if not more so on numerous forums, especially Playstation.com forum. Seriously people, stop comparing systems. Each of them have their own list of games that their fans love. So just pick one or both or all three (if you count Revolutioin in) and be happy with all of them. I know I wouldn't have time to come to all the forums to read BS after I get my PS3. And I suggest people who have their 360 and planning to have only that, STFU and leave other people alone.
Apollo
Physics are nice to have even in a FPS... imagine throwing a grenade into a pile of barrels, and the explosion has the chance to knock them into your enemy... or the same can happen to you! Or you get in a shootout and lite up a billboard so it falls over on the enemy... And it'll all be measured out realistically... as the object travels, it can lose speed and energy, thus it may just throw off your enemies shots, instead of knocking him over... It just adds a huge sense of immersion... and the fact that it can be done anywhere, anytime, and not a SCRIPTED environment action adds to the realism... Shooting your enemy you'll see them realistically react to getting hit in proper ways, not a scripted flinch...
Physics are going to become a main factor with rally type games now too, i'm so excited for... Mud drying on your suspension parts throwing off their handling balance since they don't have the same suspension travel?! That's absurd...
It's all about adding possible ways to kill your enemies... watching your back... Smoking everything in the environment leaving the room an absolute wreck... making sure you don't mess up your ride too much or you'll pay for it fighting it to do what you want it to do... All those physics add to the immersion of the game... what draws you in while playing...
I agree to an extent except on FPS's. What you described as physics is already possible, and im sure i played it on a current gen console but cant remember what game. Physics = sports games/racing games.
Thats the best way to view the understanding of physics because thats the only way they'll truly be represented for what they are
iam happy with my 360. i will also be geting a PS3
because of the frist party sony games,
both cosnoles will be even in trems of power.
there are millions of people that got bran washed with last years E3 demos
CashMoney
03-25-2006, 00:14
I agree to an extent except on FPS's. What you described as physics is already possible, and im sure i played it on a current gen console but cant remember what game. Physics = sports games/racing games.
Thats the best way to view the understanding of physics because thats the only way they'll truly be represented for what they are
Black is something that may seem that way... but most of it's scripted... Half Life 2 throws more physics into the equation...
check out the link in the other thread of two vids side by side of GRAW on the comp to see a difference added physics can make...
http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=18681
It's an example why these devs stressing physics is good news for us...
phew!
Well if you are a fan of RPGs, Metal Gear Solid, GTA then you should buy the PS3.
There are plenty of great games on the XBox 360 but that doesnt mean that they wont be avaiable for Sonys PS3. (example: Ghost Recon will be also avaiable for PS3)
There are plenty of other great games. If youre interested in the Blue Ray format or Sonys Online Gaming (which is FREE btw. youll save a bit money).
Well for my part there was a moment which I almost bought the 360 because of XBox Live Oblivion PDZ and Halo...but PDZ turned out to be a flop, Oblivion and Halo are avaiable for the PC. I dont know...you have to look what Games will come out and compare :D
The ultimate solution is to buy all consoles ;)
GTA will be a PS3 exclusive? Now that would get me saving up! lol. Yea Ghost Recon is on the PS3 aswell..but thats next GR title coming out late 2007.
Mael Duin
03-25-2006, 14:53
GTA will be a PS3 exclusive? Now that would get me saving up! lol. Yea Ghost Recon is on the PS3 aswell..but thats next GR title coming out late 2007.
No one has confirmed it yet. Only thing which hints for this is that GTA4 is build so that it uses blu-ray.
That is the strangest reason for not getting a console I have ever heard Laughing But I gues a man just has to do what he has to do.
When you are in relationship and living with your girl, you will understand.
Built to use blu ray? You mean the game will be so big it will need bigger storage space and the DVD9 wouldnt be enough?
shug7272
03-25-2006, 17:37
only one person could stop me from buying it, my girlfriend that is
That is the strangest reason for not getting a console I have ever heard :lol: But I gues a man just has to do what he has to do.Yea well get this... my wife has already told me my big ass is sitting out there to buy two the day they come out so we can play SOCOM online together. :shock: God I love her.
And that is why I'm glad the PS3 have so many AAA sequels from popular developers like Konami, polyphony, square enix and many others you know you can trust them when they say a game will be good. but developers like EA, Criterion etc I really take their word with a grain of salt Epic is included also after that piece of *expletive deleted* they call UT championship 2 I wouldn't be surprise of gears of war turns out to be crap.
You mean the UC2 that IGN gave a 9.3 and Gamespot gave a 9.0? :P
Yea IGN also gave Halo 2 a 9.8 :shock:
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Crazy Phat
03-25-2006, 19:03
Gameplay improvements? What gameplay improvements were there between last gen PS1 games and first gen PS2 games? Sheesh.The graphics for the PS1 were so ugly and the technological aspects were very unsuperior compared to the PS2. It was some kind of relief I guess.
Tribunal
03-25-2006, 19:08
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection.
There a more than enough people out there that would argue that fact with you.
Halo 1>Halo 2
But I guess thats almost the way it is with all sequels.
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Halo 2 was almost perfect in what? I really want to see you embarrass yourself.
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
Dasimpse
03-25-2006, 19:40
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
I hope they do bring the technology of tomorrow lol, coz its not out till november!
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Halo 2 was almost perfect in what? I really want to see you embarrass yourself.
What do you dislike about Halo 2? What things make it crap? Explain to me...
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
The 360 is compatible with a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray drive an MS guy said. The console was designed for anything thats why MS didnt include an internal HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive, there is no hard reason to say which format will win so they chose DVD9 until then....until what you wonder? Who knows...but one thing i know 100% certain...the 360 is compatible with these drives (externally ofcourse).
ZoMBiePiGGy
03-25-2006, 20:20
Originally I wanted a PS3 after i saw the KillZone 2 footage. Even then when i had my doubts about the footage, i still wanted a PS3 because of the popularity of the PS2 and how it affected me as a GameCube owner. It was really really bad. It came to the point where i struggled to find a gamecube title on any shelve in stores.
I've gots that same problem with the gamecube, if i didn't play smash bros every day i'd be pissed that there aren't enough good games
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
The 360 is compatible with a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray drive an MS guy said. The console was designed for anything thats why MS didnt include an internal HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive, there is no hard reason to say which format will win so they chose DVD9 until then....until what you wonder? Who knows...but one thing i know 100% certain...the 360 is compatible with these drives (externally ofcourse).
Apollo, you are talking about MOVIES not G A M E S!
I have to agree with what St Jude said. He took the words right out of my mouth.
It makes you sound weak minded that somehow you were having fun playing Xbox 360 games and as PS3 fans kept heaping praise and spouting specs of the PS3, then it started to make you question the 360 and how much fun you were really having with it??!!?
Kinda reminds me of the jedi mind trick in the original 1977 Star Wars movie. Where after approaching the cantina bar on their landspeeder, a stormtrooper tries to detain Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan. To which Obi wan uses his jedi mind trick to influence the weak minded stormtrooper in this funny exchange.....
EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- MOS EISLEY -- STREET.
The speeder is stopped on a crowded street by several
combat-hardend stormtroopers who look over the two robots. A
Trooper questions Luke.
TROOPER: How long have you had these droids?
LUKE: About three or four seasons.
BEN: They're for sale if you want them.
TROOPER: Let me see your identification.
Luke becomes very nervous as he fumbles to find his ID
while Ben speaks to the Trooper in a very controlled voice.
BEN: You don't need to see his identification.
TROOPER: We don't need to see his identification.
BEN: These are not the droids you're looking for.
TROOPER: These are not the droids we're looking for.
BEN: He can go about his business.
TROOPER: You can go about your business.
BEN: (to Luke) Move along.
TROOPER: Move along. Move along.
Or in your case it's.....
Apollo: I like my Xbox 360 and it games....
PS3 fan (using jedi mind trick): No you don't.... you need to get a PS3.
Apollo: Maybe I don't like it.... I need to get a PS3. :lol:
Think for yourself dude. You either like the Xbox 360 and it's games or you don't. I don't see why people just don't own both consoles like I do. You've got the 360 already...... keep it!
As for physics? Meh.... they are nice, but way overrated. It's not so much that consoles in the past couldn't do great physics, it was a matter of priority of resources and just plain laziness.
Most of the power of the CPU was put towards helping the GPU do it's graphics and gameplay and physics got the short end of the CPU stick.
Now that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are multi-core CPUs, they can offset the task of physics to a core. It's not so much that a past console like the PS2 couldn't have done most of the same physics as PS3 (or at least fake it real well), it's just you would end up with graphics that look PS1 launch-line up level in order to pull it off cuz of all the processor cycles being diverted to it.
That's why physics seems to be today's new marketing buzzword.
It's not so much that the PS3 or 360 have much better technology that does it, it's that they have the extra cores to offset the load to when it comes to physics and A.I. now.
In the past, they put most of the CPU's resources into graphics at the cost of mediocre physics and A.I. With multi-core CPUs now, they don't have to compromise.
As for the whole whoopty doo about mud getting on the suspension and effecting handling? That's nice and all, but nothing really special. I could program that to happen in a PS1 level game if I wanted to.
Programming is all about math. So for the mud physics messing with the off-road truck's suspension in a PS1 game would go a little like this.
Truck drives over mud puddle.
2lbs of mud splash up onto the suspension.
2lbs of mud= 2lbs of weight added to the truck= more drag to the truck
1lb of mud= 2.5% reduction in suspension and shock travel
So 2lbs x 2.5%= 5% reduction in suspension and shock travel
Not exactly rocket science.
If I wanted to get even more technical, I could scrap the idea of it effecting all suspension at once and make it even more real life. Have separate suspension and shock travel values for each wheel. So that if just the right-front tire hits the mud, only it gets the mud and the performance penalty or that it gets the 75% bulk of the mud that splashed up and the right-rear tire gets the remaining 25% that was left in the mud puddle.
You could also have it that if you keep hitting mud puddles on the right side only, that the weight of the mud that builds up starts to weigh down the right-front tire the most (since it will always get the bulk of the mud splash) and the right-rear tire gets weighed down 25% as much.
This would have your truck leaning right and 75% of it to the right-front side and effect balance and handling.
And if you want to get even more real......
speed of truck value x size of rock or pothole hit value = g-force shock value units
a g-force shock value unit = 1lb of mud
so.......
so 3 g-force units x 1lb of mud = 3 lbs of mud falling off that suspension = less weight on it and better handling
So it wouldn't be as hard to do as people think.
Getting the right mathematical balance values to make it feel like the real thing is the real challenge. That takes trial and error to come up with the right values for physics curves. :wink:
BELOVEDburden
03-25-2006, 21:51
Im pretty conservative when things wind down, but I do believe that maybe we shouldnt try to convince at all, let them make up there own mind. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, if they werent, they wouldnt be in a developed nation. Let them choose if they like the PS3 or not, we're not ones to convince, esp. we are not paid to promote the PS3.
Exactly, the dude can look out for himself. That is just like him posting a thread about What clothes should I wear today? I mean seriously, think for yourself.
You know what I think that is a good Idea I'm going to make that post :D.
Ok there we go stop by and leave a styling tip:
http://ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=323948#323948
Gameplay improvements? What gameplay improvements were there between last gen PS1 games and first gen PS2 games? Sheesh.
If you can't tell the difference in gameplay, then i'm sorry for you... the responsiveness... interactivity with the environments... the combat options... all the added moves from new action/motion capture... show me something from the PS1 compareable to God of War... or DMC... or the new physics capabilities in the newer Gran Turismo's... How about the gameplay that became available to the GTA series? Plus the added power bumped up the graphics to slightly help you become more immersed in gameplay... Graphics can't do it alone, but it spices up the already sound gameplay established in the game...
Udontneed2know Thanks... It's nice to know others agree and understand what I'm talking about... It's all about how Sony delivered each time to us topnotch gameplay... Especially since it was no short order going up against the likes of Nintendo and Sega at that time... crushing them in a single console generation... Unlike other competitors tries... and it was all because of the games, and that's where the loyalty comes from, the gaming experience... Nice post...
Read more carefully. I asked what gameplay improvements there were between the last PS1 games and the first PS2 games...
You're ripping on the 360 because it's first wave of games don't offer the elusive "next-gen" gameplay that you're hoping for (which with the impression I'm getting, means it must have cool physics). Surely you understand that gameplay improves over a consoles' life cycle, as you proved yourself by rattling off later PS2 games that better used the consoles' power to bring gameplay innovations. Why do you assume the 360 will be different?
And with all your talk about wanting "new gameplay," why do you care so much for the PS3? Why isn't the Revolution your most-wanted console? Because in the end, both the PS3 (and 360, for that matter), will be essentially offering more of the same stuff as current gen, albeit with beefed up graphics and physics. An FPS is still an FPS, a racer is still a racer... even if your suspension is affected by the dried up mud on the tracks, the gameplay is still "reach the finish line before your opponent."
To summarize, I don't understand what you mean by "next-gen gameplay," and why you feel you can claim that the 360 won't offer it by judging it based on its first wave of games...
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
I would just like to point out that the PS2 has outdated technolagy when compared to the xbox.. didn't seem to hinder it's sales at all. The bottum line is always the games and the 360 is just getting rolling in that aspect I think halo is the only good release game ever so it almost always takes about a year till there's anything good and a few years till the great stuff comes.
SaintGeorge14
03-25-2006, 22:18
Everybody should stop picking on launch games. They are hurried, and often first attempts at new franchises. I like that we have to try them out... some get us hooked. Take Timesplitters for example. The first Timesplitters game felt incomplete... take bag back to starting point story. If Call of Duty, Half-Life, or any of the Medal of Honor games (sans Rising Sun) came out at launch, nobody would have bought TS.
MajesticEdge
03-25-2006, 22:30
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Halo 2 was almost perfect in what? I really want to see you embarrass yourself.
I'm a Sony fan and I believe that anything that Sony does will pwn what M$ does, but I have to agree with Apollo, Halo 2 was almost perfection. It had the graphics, musical score, story, characters, A.I., physics, online, difficulty, controls, replay-value, fun factor. I mean what more can you ask for. The only problem I have with it is that the friendly A.I. is almost near retarded and will do some of the stupidest things while enemy A.I. are like Gods, so much for balance. I also hated the marine solider dialog. What they were saying would be things you would hear at a LAN Party, not a real war environment. Other then that Halo 2 was a great game and you have to be just the deepest Sony fanboy so say other wise. Halo and Halo 2 pwns Killzone and I believe that Halo 3 will pwn Killzone 2.
GS kid, wanna explain what made you do that little cameo of me? Wanna explain yourself..your thinking relating to me?
Because im pretty sure you've made alot of people laugh here yet, e.g., dont make rude comments about you. So if you wanna start something, then there's gonna be something.
GS kid, wanna explain what made you do that little cameo of me? Wanna explain yourself..your thinking relating to me?
Because im pretty sure you've made alot of people laugh here yet, e.g., dont make rude comments about you. So if you wanna start something, then there's gonna be something.
Well when you say this...
I am happy with my 360, but people here make it seem that the PS3 will be even better. That makes you question your actual "happiness" of the console and then doubt whether or not you are happy, then you keep reading stuff on e.g. this forum and imagine how good the PS3 will be.
...what other conclusion am I supposed to come to?!?!?!
You said you were happy with it, but on the other hand you admit that PS3 fans make you question your "actual" happiness with the 360?!?! Have you doubting whether or not you are happy or not?!?!?!
When I have sex, it's fun. It feels good. No matter what someone says, I have no doubt that I like it......PERIOD! I don't question it.
So if you like your Xbox 360..... you like it. Why the hell are you letting other people define what you should like or shouldn't like?!?!? That was my point.
Anybody that succumbs to other people's thinking when their own mind is saying things are fun on Xbox 360..... is weak minded.
Weak minded as in..... easily susceptible to other's influence despite what your own mind and heart says.
That's why I called you that.
Don't like the name? Then don't act that way.
Here's your chance to be a man, get your strong willed mind back and make all us fellow Xbox 360 fans proud.
Simply state for the record on here for all to see that you like your Xbox 360 and that you have no doubts. Own it dude!!!!
And if you want to make all true gamers proud, proclaim that you are no fanboy and that damn it....... I'm getting a PS3 too. How do you like them apples! :DD
SpaceMonkeyDave
03-26-2006, 00:36
I don't see why people just don't own both consoles like I do.
well..
i plan to get a ps3 on three simple points
1. the ps3 has more games that i prefer (for example is JRPG games) opposed to the 360 (for example fps games), and my fav franchises (MGS, DMC, FF, Tekken, etc-etc) are on the ps3, not the 360
2. I dont have the money to get both, just bought a car and petrol money, taxes etc really cost alot of £££, i only have enough to spare to get a ps3 really
3. I simply dont have as much time as i used to, to play games.. getting two console means getting through twice the amount of games, i barely manage to get an hour or two a day now, so it is more logical to just get a ps3 seeing i dont pay games as much as i used to
and finally i dont mean in any way to sound fanboy but this following sentence is 100% my own opinon, so dont go ape $hit over it fellas..
game type wise a ps more or less covers everything apart from RTS and FPS games, and i have a pc to play those games so basically
PC= FPS and RTS games
PS3= Everything Else
having said that the Revo looks like it will open a new dimension into gametypes, because of this when i manage to get my hands on one and play on the games if i really like the console, i may get a revo as well and consider if i should either keep or sell my pc and ps3
MS: brings the best technology that is available today.
Sony: brings the technology of tomorrow.
At the end of the day PS3 will "win". Right now ms dont have much problems with their console, but in a few years DVD-9 will not be enough, and some technology in the 360 will be old. My 2 cents.
I would just like to point out that the PS2 has outdated technolagy when compared to the xbox.. didn't seem to hinder it's sales at all. The bottum line is always the games and the 360 is just getting rolling in that aspect I think halo is the only good release game ever so it almost always takes about a year till there's anything good and a few years till the great stuff comes.
The PS2 didnt have updated technology, from the moment of birth it came with a dvd player/reader so it was pretty advance, and dvd was the format used throughout its life. MS used dvd for the xbox too, but with the xbox 360 they used dvd-9. As time comes, 9 gigs wont be enough for developers.
Evil_the_Cat
03-26-2006, 00:45
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Halo 2 was almost perfect in what? I really want to see you embarrass yourself.
What do you dislike about Halo 2? What things make it crap? Explain to me...
Things I personally disliked about Halo 2:
-In Single player you no longer had the cool machine gun you had at the start of Halo 1 and in general weapons just weren't as good
-After the introduced you to the cool Master Chief character they forced you into playing as the Orbiter thing which I really disliked
-In Halo 1 when you came up against an Elite it was a big thing, a challenge, now they are just commonplace
-Halo one involved way more strategy than Halo 2, which was basically just a run+shoot game
-Halo one had a defined end, you felt like you've accomplished something when you finished the game, very much unlike Halo 2
-Although you can argue that it was the best online game for any console (keep in mind that I never played any online game on PS2) almost any PC FPS was much MUCH better
So in general I thought Halo 2 was a terrible game, they put almost no effort into Single Player and if Halo 3 follows the same path, which I hope it won't, then I am not interested.
SpaceMonkeyDave
03-26-2006, 00:54
i remember on halo 1, after meeting the general he was all mutated by the flood and that, after that scene i remember a corridor of LOADS of enemys, a massive grenade battle ensued and bullets flew everywhere, that part of the game reminded me of the good ol days of quake and doom, because of that i really enjoyed halo 1 and it really got my "fps adreneline" pumping, because of this i considered it to be worthy of a fantastic fps must play game and indeed it deserves to be listed up there with half life and quake etc-etc
.. the simple fact was
halo 2 just didnt give me that same feeling, the sp campaign was abit dissapointing but even on multiplayer the buzz i got of the first one just wasnt in halo 2, needless to say i play halo 1 online on my computer but halo 2 i do not, it just dosent feel the same to me, they took something out of the winning game solution and made the game itself worse than the orginal (in my opinion)
now i only pray to god microsoft wont try and rival the ps3 with halo 3 and push bungie to rush it, they need to work on halo 3 and only release it when they complete 110% and i really do hope they recapture that feeling halo 1 had, because for me that was the best thing about halo 1 by miles
cmon bungie, make halo 3 fantastic like halo 1!
MajesticEdge
03-26-2006, 02:28
Things I personally disliked about Halo 2:
-In Single player you no longer had the cool machine gun you had at the start of Halo 1 and in general weapons just weren't as good
-After the introduced you to the cool Master Chief character they forced you into playing as the Orbiter thing which I really disliked
-In Halo 1 when you came up against an Elite it was a big thing, a challenge, now they are just commonplace
-Halo one involved way more strategy than Halo 2, which was basically just a run+shoot game
-Halo one had a defined end, you felt like you've accomplished something when you finished the game, very much unlike Halo 2
-Although you can argue that it was the best online game for any console (keep in mind that I never played any online game on PS2) almost any PC FPS was much MUCH better
So in general I thought Halo 2 was a terrible game, they put almost no effort into Single Player and if Halo 3 follows the same path, which I hope it won't, then I am not interested.
-In Single player you no longer had the cool machine gun you had at the start of Halo 1 and in general weapons just weren't as good
I agree about the sub-machine gun, but there was other cool weapons available. I don't think the absence of a single weapon can ruin a game. It can limit it, but not ruin.
-After the introduced you to the cool Master Chief character they forced you into playing as the Orbiter thing which I really disliked
And? So what, I liked that concept because it offered a different perspective on things. Now I can play Halo 1 with a different perspective and see the Elite/Covenent as fighting for true reasons rather than seeing them as just "the bad guy aliens".
-In Halo 1 when you came up against an Elite it was a big thing, a challenge, now they are just commonplace
I'm taking it that you haven't played Halo 2 on Legendary single player, not co-op.
-Halo one involved way more strategy than Halo 2, which was basically just a run+shoot game
I fail to see how Halo 2 had no strategy, please clarify yourself a bit more and give some examples. Try playing Halo 2 on Legendary and just "run & shoot" and see how long you last.
-Halo one had a defined end, you felt like you've accomplished something when you finished the game, very much unlike Halo 2
Uhhhh, the last time I checked, Halo 2 is a 2nd Act in a 3 Act trilogy. Like all 2nd Acts, it ends in a cliff-hanger style with no real since of closer. Two Towers was like this, Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones, and Matrix Reloaded. What makes Halo 2 different?
-Although you can argue that it was the best online game for any console (keep in mind that I never played any online game on PS2) almost any PC FPS was much MUCH better
And the PC version of Halo 1 was better so this proves nothing.
And they put not effort into single player? Heh, I guess the deep and detailed story/cut-scenes and updated physics and AI wasn't good enough. I guess you're still pissed because you had to play with a sub-machine gun and not the normal rifle. Halo 2 was a great game and better than any PS2 FPS such as Red Faction/Killzone and I'm a Sony fan.
Ricokillercon
03-26-2006, 04:11
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
No just no.... In terms of multi-players yes. Single-payers story was complete crap compare to the first game. It seem very rushed. I beat legedary single-player in 8 hours, i died like 3 times. It just didn't feel as grand as halo1.
But multi-player was the best...i loved the sword. Its the only weapon i used in small maps. But they did make the pistol crap in halo2.
Nighthawk
03-26-2006, 04:59
Okay my children, come ye gather around Uncle Nighthawk's chair and I shall tell ye of the superiority of Playstation 3. Muhahahahahaaa.
Games:
Killzone PS3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Resistance... many excellent games already announced. Xbox 360 has some good games, sure, but
Graphics:
Have you seen the screenshots over in the PS3 Games section from GDC!? We have many games that still have seven months to be completed looking better than any of the 360's games. Plus, we have been promised great things by Sony regarding the looks of PS3's games. Also, the capacity of Blu-Ray allows for more advanced textures.
Power:
If it's power you want, it's power you'll get. Just take a look at the (unconfirmed, AFAIK) specs of the Playstation 3, compare it to the 360, and there you have it. The Cell wraps the whole picture up nicely.
Metal Gear Solid 4:
DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY? :P
Metal Gear Solid 4:
DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN WHY? Razz
Just one word for you....Kojima. This man really makes video games, i wish all devs were like him
Panda Bear Shenyu
03-26-2006, 05:30
I 'm getting sick of all the halo bashing just because its really the only game that drove the Xbox. I mean come on, the guy that said -
In Single player you no longer had the cool machine gun you had at the start of Halo 1 and in general weapons just weren't as good
-obviously hasn't played Halo to know of its great ness, and for the record, that
cool machine gun
is called an assault rifle.
I play Halo 1 on my PC and the multiplayer is awesome, the story line is intriguing, and the game is as close to a perfect FPS as it can get (Aside from the IDENTICLE corridors everywhere).
I personally love PS2 and PS3 and refuses to buy an Xbox, but to bash the greatness of halo is so uncalled for, just for the record (Again), if halo came out on the PS2, alot of Halo basher's judgements (make that ALL) would be reversed.
And addressing the idea of convincing an Xbxo 360 owner, the idea could be really funny, but really, if the guy/gal already got a 360 and is enjoying himself, leave em' be, you only know happiness when there is nothing better, so my philosophy is to always play the worst game ever, when I play them, I think they rock, and then I slowly work my way towards better and better games until I get to games like FFX, Halo etc and feel like I've actually PLAYED games rather than just have bought the best ones and ignored the rest.
Apollo,
I meant to put in my 2 cents yesterday but the forum wasn't working right when I tried.
It sounds almost as if your "Happiness" about the Xbox360 is more of an intellectual representation than an emotional one.
If the x360 genuinely makes you happy then you did the right thing in buying it. Maybe the real problem is that there just aren't enough good games for you yet and that will take a while to happen.
You are trying to invalidate your own perceptions just because something in the future may turn out to be even better.
Regarding the PS3. If you are not already convinced that the PS3 will be a great console with the potential to give a better experience than the x360 then you have either not been following the technical aspects of the PS3 or you do not understand them or you simply don't care.
I would recommend that you stop trying to get people to convince you about anything and go spend more time doing others things that you like to do besides playing console games until there are more X360 games to enjoy and a real PS3 on the market for you to look at.
dude if ya wanna get a PS3 then get one!
if you want to play
MGS4 & 5
Devil May Cry 4
FFXIII & VII Remake
GT5
Tekken 6
God of War 3 (it will come)
Killzone 2
Silent Hill 5
etc,etc
and have a console that'll last you over 6 years
then get a PS3.
if ya like
Halo 3,4,5,6,7
and want a console that'll last you till M$ starts thinkin
"we need to release Xbox 720 in 2008 so we get a head start like Sony did!"
then be happy with ya 360
or just get a Revolution
the choice is yours
PS: get a PS3 :wink:
Evil_the_Cat
03-26-2006, 09:21
I agree about the sub-machine gun, but there was other cool weapons available. I don't think the absence of a single weapon can ruin a game. It can limit it, but not ruin.
So you agree with me then, it really took away from the game not having that Assault Rifle (as Panda Bear Shenyu rightfully pointed :wink: )
As for other weapons, well I was personally not impressed, from an array of semi-automatic guns which were basically the same to all the explosives which, it seemed to me, were greatly powered down since Halo 1 it was all great for MP but it was just pointless in SP. But even for MP the list of weapons was simply boring when compared to Half-Life 1 and 2, any Timesplitters game or any Unreal game.
And? So what, I liked that concept because it offered a different perspective on things. Now I can play Halo 1 with a different perspective and see the Elite/Covenent as fighting for true reasons rather than seeing them as just "the bad guy aliens".
I guess it depends on your personality wether you like the idea or not. However covenant were still "the bad guy aliens" its just that some were slightly worse than others. but all were pretty stupid. And since you do not like looking at things in black and white what was your opinion on the "good-guy humans"? Their goodness is never questioned, they never betray (unless by an AI glitch one of em happens to run you over in a vehicle) isn't that a bit to plane and unrealistic?
I'm taking it that you haven't played Halo 2 on Legendary single player, not co-op.
Yes I have(got pretty far too), and if you mean a challenge being when about 4 elites come out of nowhere and start shooting at you even if they are not supposed to be able to see you, yeah its a challenge, but hardly a good one.
I fail to see how Halo 2 had no strategy, please clarify yourself a bit more and give some examples. Try playing Halo 2 on Legendary and just "run & shoot" and see how long you last.
Again you're assuming I didn't play the game on Legendary. Ok then let me change ny statement slightly on any other difficulty but Legendary its "run&shoot" on Legendary its "hide&shoot" and I personally do not call that strategy. If you consider Halo 1 for example where on legendary you had to secure positions lure enemies away in small groups, sneak up behind them, than in comparison to that Halo 2 did not have any significant level of strategy.
Uhhhh, the last time I checked, Halo 2 is a 2nd Act in a 3 Act trilogy. Like all 2nd Acts, it ends in a cliff-hanger style with no real since of closer. Two Towers was like this, Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones, and Matrix Reloaded. What makes Halo 2 different?
Lets analyze this shall we:
- Two towers end: A whole kingdom is saved from Sauron's influence, one of the two major enemies is destroyed, we know more about each of the characters plus there are also plenty of additional smaller things that develop.
- Halo 2, introduced to a few new characters (however the current characters are not developed any more), we now have questionable allies in the form of a small group of Elites and we also find out our 'tue mission'.
Not bad so far now for the last part:
Two Towers-3hours long
Halo 2-about a week
ahh you see now, Two Towers manages to deliver more in 3 hours than Halo 2 does in a week. Game trilogies are different to movie trilogies, games are expected to deliver more. Look for example at Half-Life 2, Soul Reaver 2, Prince of Persia 2, all of these deliver massive chunks of additional information and still manage to leave you with a cliffhanger ending.
And the PC version of Halo 1 was better so this proves nothing.
My point was that the only thing Halo 2 did have was MP, but given that there are a lot of PC FPSs that are much than it online, this comes down to a very insignificant plus.
And they put not effort into single player? Heh, I guess the deep and detailed story/cut-scenes and updated physics and AI wasn't good enough.
Deep and detailed story? Thats arguable. As for the rest...no no it wasn't good enough :wink:
Halo 2 was a great game and better than any PS2 FPS such as Red Faction/Killzone and I'm a Sony fan.
Great? NO! Better than any PS2 FPS? YES!
There are plenty of better FPSs out on the xbox,Halo 2 was really overhyped ad thats what killed it for me, it did not live up to its name.
As things are going now, it looks like PS3 will have plenty of decent FPSs coming out for it, so Halo 3 will have to be a very impressive game to do at least as well as Halo did, it will not be as easy this generation. And if it manages that, there will be an xbox360 standing beside my future PS3.
are you sayin Black is crap? :?
Evil_the_Cat
03-26-2006, 09:49
are you sayin Black is crap? :?
GOD NO, thats a brilliant game, but its not an exclusive, guess I should have clarified that. I meant that Halo 2 is better than any EXCLUSIVE PS2 FPS. :wink:
thats what I thought :? what I don't get is ppl go on about them games(Halo,Zelda,etc)
I when get to play them I'm like "is that it? is that what all the fuss was about?" I'm just not impressed
Mael Duin
03-26-2006, 10:10
thats what I thought :? what I don't get is ppl go on about them games(Halo,Zelda,etc)
I when get to play them I'm like "is that it? is that what all the fuss was about?" I'm just not impressed
I have that feeling right now. I'm playing Ocarina of Time and this game seriously isn't one of the greatest games ever made. Plus it has VERY VERY annoying places, like this Jabujabu OH GOD MAKE IT STOP >_< And I hate that lock-on thing too.
Dude, Halo 2 was almost perfection. The only qualms and hate comes fom the fact that it was cut..there wasn't missions/level. Halo 2 is still the most popular game on Live by far!
P.S. GRAW they gave 9.3 It deserved more IMO :D
Halo 2 was almost perfect in what? I really want to see you embarrass yourself.
What do you dislike about Halo 2? What things make it crap? Explain to me...
It didn't do anything better than Halo 1 except online and the online part was just for the sake of having an online...it had good features that other games didn't have but the online experience itself was major suckage. It had one of the smallest maps I'd ever seen, except the new pack they got out. Also most maps were uninspired and weren't thought out very much. You tell me what it did better than Halo 1 other than the stupid online part.
Dasimpse
03-26-2006, 11:08
Im not saying black is crap BUT PLEASE dont try and say to me that you think it was better than HALO 2?????!!!!!!!?????????!
Evil_the_Cat
03-26-2006, 11:31
I can't really say which one is better in my opinion, the story in both games is nothing special (although I have yet to finish Black). Halo 2 has nice visuals and nice physics....but blowing stuff up in Balck is SOOO good!
I'll decide when I finish Black
I ll tell you what's better than Halo and Halo 2 combined, since so many people seem to be upset with my decision to dislike Halo 2, Half-Life 2
1st_Gen_Gamer
03-26-2006, 11:40
Why do people feel others should sell them on a console? It's Sony's job to produce the product and make you want to buy it. It's nobody's job but Sony's to market their product to you.
It's up to you whether you listen to Sony and buy, or not.
I'm personally excited about the PS3 for many reasons, and will be trying to get one as soon as possible. I'm not going to try to sell others on it though, because first, that's not my job, and second, it you choose to not buy one or wait-and-see, that increases my chances of getting one sooner.
Hate to sound greedy, but that's the truth.
GS kid, wanna explain what made you do that little cameo of me? Wanna explain yourself..your thinking relating to me?
Because im pretty sure you've made alot of people laugh here yet, e.g., dont make rude comments about you. So if you wanna start something, then there's gonna be something.
Well when you say this...
I am happy with my 360, but people here make it seem that the PS3 will be even better. That makes you question your actual "happiness" of the console and then doubt whether or not you are happy, then you keep reading stuff on e.g. this forum and imagine how good the PS3 will be.
...what other conclusion am I supposed to come to?!?!?!
You said you were happy with it, but on the other hand you admit that PS3 fans make you question your "actual" happiness with the 360?!?! Have you doubting whether or not you are happy or not?!?!?!
When I have sex, it's fun. It feels good. No matter what someone says, I have no doubt that I like it......PERIOD! I don't question it.
So if you like your Xbox 360..... you like it. Why the hell are you letting other people define what you should like or shouldn't like?!?!? That was my point.
Anybody that succumbs to other people's thinking when their own mind is saying things are fun on Xbox 360..... is weak minded.
Weak minded as in..... easily susceptible to other's influence despite what your own mind and heart says.
That's why I called you that.
Don't like the name? Then don't act that way.
Here's your chance to be a man, get your strong willed mind back and make all us fellow Xbox 360 fans proud.
Simply state for the record on here for all to see that you like your Xbox 360 and that you have no doubts. Own it dude!!!!
And if you want to make all true gamers proud, proclaim that you are no fanboy and that damn it....... I'm getting a PS3 too. How do you like them apples! :DD
Maybe you should get a dictionary out? I said im "generally" happy but i then implied the people here were presenting an alternative which sounded more attractive. The possibility of this makes you compare how happy you'd be with that with how happy i am with my 360.
My original post was really to address the hype and understand if it was just hype or really factual. Since then i've learnt alot.
But you obviously cannot accept to see a console you own speak negatively by someone else who owns it. You have this super defensive mentality that wont survive long in this forum.
Its a PS3 forum. People will talk, rave, hype, complain and discuss about the PS3. If you want a fair, neutral entire forum, go to Google and look there. You cant expect people hear to understand, respect or even like a rival console. It'd be the same if a Sony fan tried to go on a 360 forum, he wouldnt come back the same such would be the abuse.
So next time you try to address people with that attitude, the moderators will know about it and i call on everyone else to keep an eye on this guy. Keep at it you will be banned because all you advertise is flamming.
Why do people feel others should sell them on a console? It's Sony's job to produce the product and make you want to buy it. It's nobody's job but Sony's to market their product to you.
It's up to you whether you listen to Sony and buy, or not.
I'm personally excited about the PS3 for many reasons, and will be trying to get one as soon as possible. I'm not going to try to sell others on it though, because first, that's not my job, and second, it you choose to not buy one or wait-and-see, that increases my chances of getting one sooner.
Hate to sound greedy, but that's the truth.
Well when i said "sell it to me", it was a metaphor which i assumed everyone would understand. Basically my question was is the hype clouding everyone's judgement, or will it really be as good as it sounds? And if its really good, would it..good..to the point where people would want to convert to the PS3?
Because when i came on the forums i couldnt differenciate truth from fiction. Even people who made fair logical comments were now making odd comments which made no sense, as if they were employed by Sony to advertise the PS3. So, as a 360 owner, i asked "what the heck is going"? lol
CarNiFeX
03-26-2006, 12:02
you have a good question there dude, but you would be asking too soon for a real good answer as everybody else knows just as much as you do...
what i'm trying to say is that nobody can actually tel you what is better untill they (and yourself for that matter) have played the ps3 when it actually comes out...
i for one am waiting for the ps3 cause i wasnt really a fan of the original Xbox for starters, and the new one is basically the same thing with better graphics (and the controller is just absolutely hideous)
im just putting all my trust in the ps3 cause it is gonna run my entire media center in the future (ie music, movies, games etc)
:D
shug7272
03-26-2006, 13:48
I have to agree with what St Jude said. He took the words right out of my mouth.
It makes you sound weak minded that somehow you were having fun playing Xbox 360 games and as PS3 fans kept heaping praise and spouting specs of the PS3, then it started to make you question the 360 and how much fun you were really having with it??!!?
Kinda reminds me of the jedi mind trick in the original 1977 Star Wars movie. Where after approaching the cantina bar on their landspeeder, a stormtrooper tries to detain Luke Skywalker and Obi Wan. To which Obi wan uses his jedi mind trick to influence the weak minded stormtrooper in this funny exchange.....
EXTERIOR: TATOOINE -- MOS EISLEY -- STREET.
The speeder is stopped on a crowded street by several
combat-hardend stormtroopers who look over the two robots. A
Trooper questions Luke.
TROOPER: How long have you had these droids?
LUKE: About three or four seasons.
BEN: They're for sale if you want them.
TROOPER: Let me see your identification.
Luke becomes very nervous as he fumbles to find his ID
while Ben speaks to the Trooper in a very controlled voice.
BEN: You don't need to see his identification.
TROOPER: We don't need to see his identification.
BEN: These are not the droids you're looking for.
TROOPER: These are not the droids we're looking for.
BEN: He can go about his business.
TROOPER: You can go about your business.
BEN: (to Luke) Move along.
TROOPER: Move along. Move along.
Or in your case it's.....
Apollo: I like my Xbox 360 and it games....
PS3 fan (using jedi mind trick): No you don't.... you need to get a PS3.
Apollo: Maybe I don't like it.... I need to get a PS3. :lol:
Think for yourself dude. You either like the Xbox 360 and it's games or you don't. I don't see why people just don't own both consoles like I do. You've got the 360 already...... keep it!
As for physics? Meh.... they are nice, but way overrated. It's not so much that consoles in the past couldn't do great physics, it was a matter of priority of resources and just plain laziness.
Most of the power of the CPU was put towards helping the GPU do it's graphics and gameplay and physics got the short end of the CPU stick.
Now that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are multi-core CPUs, they can offset the task of physics to a core. It's not so much that a past console like the PS2 couldn't have done most of the same physics as PS3 (or at least fake it real well), it's just you would end up with graphics that look PS1 launch-line up level in order to pull it off cuz of all the processor cycles being diverted to it.
That's why physics seems to be today's new marketing buzzword.
It's not so much that the PS3 or 360 have much better technology that does it, it's that they have the extra cores to offset the load to when it comes to physics and A.I. now.
In the past, they put most of the CPU's resources into graphics at the cost of mediocre physics and A.I. With multi-core CPUs now, they don't have to compromise.
As for the whole whoopty doo about mud getting on the suspension and effecting handling? That's nice and all, but nothing really special. I could program that to happen in a PS1 level game if I wanted to.
Programming is all about math. So for the mud physics messing with the off-road truck's suspension in a PS1 game would go a little like this.
Truck drives over mud puddle.
2lbs of mud splash up onto the suspension.
2lbs of mud= 2lbs of weight added to the truck= more drag to the truck
1lb of mud= 2.5% reduction in suspension and shock travel
So 2lbs x 2.5%= 5% reduction in suspension and shock travel
Not exactly rocket science.
If I wanted to get even more technical, I could scrap the idea of it effecting all suspension at once and make it even more real life. Have separate suspension and shock travel values for each wheel. So that if just the right-front tire hits the mud, only it gets the mud and the performance penalty or that it gets the 75% bulk of the mud that splashed up and the right-rear tire gets the remaining 25% that was left in the mud puddle.
You could also have it that if you keep hitting mud puddles on the right side only, that the weight of the mud that builds up starts to weigh down the right-front tire the most (since it will always get the bulk of the mud splash) and the right-rear tire gets weighed down 25% as much.
This would have your truck leaning right and 75% of it to the right-front side and effect balance and handling.
And if you want to get even more real......
speed of truck value x size of rock or pothole hit value = g-force shock value units
a g-force shock value unit = 1lb of mud
so.......
so 3 g-force units x 1lb of mud = 3 lbs of mud falling off that suspension = less weight on it and better handling
So it wouldn't be as hard to do as people think.
Getting the right mathematical balance values to make it feel like the real thing is the real challenge. That takes trial and error to come up with the right values for physics curves. :wink:If you have time to do all this kinda crap (that you do on a regular basis) the 360 must not be that entertaining. :roll:
The thing thats really interesting me is the online distribution of the PS3 Network. Sounds impressive.
I WILL GIVE YOU A WARNING,
IF YOU DO NOT STOP ADVERTISING, THE MODS WILL BAN YOU
I think all he's here to do is advertise, he's going to get banned.
I have a quick question, i have already uploaded a pic for my avatar..yet it doesnt show up? Why not?
P.S. Its not too big either.
Mael Duin
03-26-2006, 16:58
I have a quick question, i have already uploaded a pic for my avatar..yet it doesnt show up? Why not?
P.S. Its not too big either.
You didn't buy privilege for it. Up there, left from "Log Out", check "Shop" and go to "Effects Store". Buy privilege for your avatar. Same for your banner. You got enough points for both :wink:
The 360 is compatible with a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray drive an MS guy said. The console was designed for anything thats why MS didnt include an internal HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive, there is no hard reason to say which format will win so they chose DVD9 until then....until what you wonder? Who knows...but one thing i know 100% certain...the 360 is compatible with these drives (externally ofcourse).
Exactly, externally. Externally the Xbox 360 is compatible with anything they choose, as is PS3.
The Xbox 360 was fitted with DVD9 because they had no choice based on their desired launch date. HD-DVD and Blu-ray were not even options for them to include, so don't go saying they "chose" to use DVD9 over the others, because they didn't. They were forced into using it, which I'm sure will come back to bite them one way or another.
I have a quick question, i have already uploaded a pic for my avatar..yet it doesnt show up? Why not?
P.S. Its not too big either.
You didn't buy privilege for it. Up there, left from "Log Out", check "Shop" and go to "Effects Store". Buy privilege for your avatar. Same for your banner. You got enough points for both :wink:
8) thank u
The 360 is compatible with a HD-DVD drive and a Blu-Ray drive an MS guy said. The console was designed for anything thats why MS didnt include an internal HD-DVD or Blu-Ray drive, there is no hard reason to say which format will win so they chose DVD9 until then....until what you wonder? Who knows...but one thing i know 100% certain...the 360 is compatible with these drives (externally ofcourse).
Exactly, externally. Externally the Xbox 360 is compatible with anything they choose, as is PS3.
The Xbox 360 was fitted with DVD9 because they had no choice based on their desired launch date. HD-DVD and Blu-ray were not even options for them to include, so don't go saying they "chose" to use DVD9 over the others, because they didn't. They were forced into using it, which I'm sure will come back to bite them one way or another.
To my understanding, as they support HD-DVD, they would have included an internal HD-DVD drive but chose against it mainly because of the implications IF the blu-Ray wont the format war.
But now they are releasing an external HD-DVD drive. If all goes pear shaped, the 360 would be compatible with an external Blu-Ray drive - i dont having an external drive (if it looks neat) would cause that much nuisance, for me anyway
Don't break the 5 word minimum and please don't double post. ~ PBM ~
Microsoft became the follower, they thought they could compete with Sony, with games like Halo 2, and Halo, Xbox Live, yet still Sony came out in the end with the most consoles sold.The thing with the PS franchise, they have a wide variety of games for you to play.Sure we've been short on generes like FPS, but that's just one genere short compared to all the others like action, adventure, mainly RPG's too, if you love that, etc...basically, what I'm saying is, whatever you felt Sony was lacking with their previous console, with the time spent and hard work, you'll find those gaps previously missing being furfilled, or you can just go back to playing those so-called 'Next Gen', Xbox 360 games.
"would have" is completely different to "could have". Regardless of what they support, their internal drive had to be DVD. Microsoft may have got their console out first, but planing an external...
Some of you have mis-understood what im trying to say, or maybe i wasn't clear enough in my post.
I am happy with my 360, but people here make it seem that the PS3 will be even better. That makes you question your actual "happiness" of the console and then doubt whether or not you are happy, then you keep reading stuff on e.g. this forum and imagine how good the PS3 will be.
Not everyone here is a fanboy, most are actually kind level headed people - so i then think "they cant all be wrong". So what is it that people see in the PS3 that im struggling with? Because the sounds of it..it would be pointless in buying a 360 when the PS3 exists.
Best example is, someone wanting to buy a 40 inch SDTV and yet has the money to pay for a 23 inch HDTV, yet chooses the bigger screen over the small screen and dismisses the visual quality.
That's the perception im getting from being here, compared to being on 360 forums.
And to the people who dont care about my problem here, saying "i couldnt care less which you got", mind if you not post on the thread again please? Because if you really didnt care..you wouldnt have bothered. So there's no real reason to say that here when im asking for help from those who do care is it?
It's like going to a Republican vote ballot and saying "im not voting for this lot" and yet this vote.
P.S. Thank you for all those who did post positively. I'll wait until late Summer before making my final mind. :wink:
So what your saying is your a socialist gamer? You don't actually care about gaming you just want to have the console that is most popular?
Meh... :roll:
your totally wrong there..he just needs to decide between keeping the 360, getting the PS3 instead, or both..in fact it doesnt really makes sense to have a 360 when you could have a PS3...this has nothing to do with popularity.
and by the way, if a console is popular, then there has to be a good reason don't you think??
NUMA NUMA
03-26-2006, 18:43
are you sayin Black is crap? :?
GOD NO, thats a brilliant game, but its not an exclusive, guess I should have clarified that. I meant that Halo 2 is better than any EXCLUSIVE PS2 FPS. :wink:
That's, true; the ps3 was horrible for fps. I was almost :lol:
EDIT:------------- /\
--------------------my bad I meant PS2
Nosferatu
03-26-2006, 18:54
first of all , Buy a ps3 anyway dont trade in your 360 since its helping microsoft off better than anything but like a ps3 will be a console to get if u are a hardcore gamers get both. I dont own a xbox360 but i have enough money to buy one and im not really a hardcore gamer i bought all the systems that appealed me to nes,n64,sega genisis,super nes, psone, and ps2. But xbox never felt appealing to me just because i didnt like the size and the titles for it and to me sony had some titles that never got or felt repedative.
Its not me its your decision go with your gut if u want this year to be the future of your hardcore gaming experience buy both. :o
To Apollo.....
I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. It had nothing to do with you personally. It had to do with people like you who say they are having fun with something and then somehow start questioning if the are "really" having fun. That's just nuts.
It has nothing to do with the fact that I can't handle a 360 owner not liking the 360 and somehow I'm getting defensive. I could care less if you like it or not.
It's like a gay man who sleeps with a women a few times and says he hates it. I don't feel defensive about that or my choice to sleep with women. I just look at the guy and say "you don't like women? Fine. Then don't sleep with them. That's just one more guy I don't have to compete with in the dating scene.
Same with the Xbox 360. You aren't enjoying it? Fine. Then sell it. That's just one more 360 to go into the hands of someone who is dying to have one right now. I'd rather have the console getting in the hands of someone that loves and wants a 360, then someone who has decided to have a fleeting love affair with it just long enough until the next pretty thing walks in the door a mere year later.
People are buying the current gen consoles and PCs and excited playing all the old Nintendo, SNES, Genesis, etc games. Why? Cause they are gamers in the truest form. They are balanced. They aren't the types that question if they are "really" having fun just cuz a new console is coming out a year later then the one they are having fun on now.
They are having fun.... bottom line. They don't trade in consoles cuz of hype for the next consoles that come along a mere year later.
Like someone said.... you have just as much info available to you on the PS3 as we do. You know the specs, you know the features and you know the list of games in development. Coming to the PS3 section and asking PS3 fans if you should just get a PS3 serves no purpose. All you are really asking them to do is sell you on the PS3. Cuz you have the same info as them and somehow you can't decide?!?! Doesn't make sense to me.
I guess I hate people who stick a wet finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing when it comes to deciding what console is gonna make them happy.
Here's the bottom line......
Do you like the Xbox 360?
Can you afford to own a Xbox 360 and a PS3?
That's what it really comes down to. If you are really not that happy with the 360 then sell....sell...sell.... cuz I know a lot of people that would be more then happy to take it off your hands and give it the love it deserves. :P
shug7272 said......
If you have time to do all this kinda crap (that you do on a regular basis) the 360 must not be that entertaining.
It's called balance dude.
I could play my 360 all day long. But my free time is limited, so I must divide them between gaming, the forums, skateboarding, watching HDTV programs, etc....
I own 250+ games split between my Dreamcast, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox and Xbox 360.
I'd say I'm a gamer and 360 is the only one I'm playing right now. :snigger
To my understanding, as they support HD-DVD, they would have included an internal HD-DVD drive but chose against it mainly because of the implications IF the blu-Ray wont the format war.
But now they are releasing an external HD-DVD drive. If all goes pear shaped, the 360 would be compatible with an external Blu-Ray drive - i dont having an external drive (if it looks neat) would cause that much nuisance, for me anyway
A better reason for them, not to include a HD-DVD drive is because it would've driven the costs up way too much. Sony owns Blu-Ray and it's taking them a whole year to put it out in their console than it would've taken MS to come out with HD-DVD on 360.
So if the add-on comes out, I don't think it would hurt them if it doesn't sell much. It would hurt the manufacturer. In fact, they'd have to pay MS for liscencing (guessing). Though who cares if it's not for games. At least whatever PS3 comes with, is used for games...as well as other things but mainly games.
cole09mcfc
03-26-2006, 21:41
PS3 is gonna be better than 360 all they got is earlier release
NARCsnake
03-27-2006, 01:41
i don't know what to do keep my xbox 063 or say bye to it when PS3 comes out what is the real difference between them 2 cause i dont wont both i know this is a dum question cause u guys r going to say PS3 but if u had 1000$ and both of them were in your hands which 1 would u get and y
i don't know what to do keep my xbox 063 or say bye to it when PS3 comes out what is the real difference between them 2 cause i dont wont both i know this is a dum question cause u guys r going to say PS3 but if u had 1000$ and both of them were in your hands which 1 would u get and y
Wait until PS3 comes out and then see for yourself. Just rent a PS3 or play it at your friend's house to check it out and then you can compare and choose whichever one you'd like to have or keep.
Though since you said you only want one, renting PS3 would be a waste because it's better. So if I were you, keep your 360 until PS3 comes out and then trade it in and get a PS3. Don't buy any games unless you're sure they're good, just rent them if you're not sure and if you like any of them, of course buy them.
The Chocobo Kid
03-27-2006, 03:21
if xbox360 had some killer games on day one then more people would still be happy to buy it but it's now not looking that way. ps3 is for sure to have alot of great games on day one which we look forward to hear from sony list. it's just a matter of time. but keep your 360 b/c you never know what great games might come out from it.
Crazy Phat
03-27-2006, 03:39
Great games like Oblivion(damn that five word minimum).
killermmn
03-27-2006, 03:55
the ps3 will be same
the first year of a console are the bad!!
the second year is the best!!
Great games like Oblivion(damn that five word minimum).
:lol:
Viva+la+PS3
03-27-2006, 10:01
think about it this way YOU NEVER find the potential of a console for a good amount of time like ps2 :!: CRAZY TAXY was the "hyped game" and in all truth it was ....ok at best good graphix cos we had never experinced anythin like that b4 now days we have...then wen we got u used to high graohix levels it was well much crappyer start of for ps2 then the GTA series and it raised the bar..... i think lol
mattchew13
10-09-2007, 07:15
xbox 360 FTL
cmon ps3 killzone 2 is goin to be awesome
babyface
10-09-2007, 09:39
The 360 is fine, but so is the PS3. It's newer, so understandably it still lacks the amount of games the 360 offers now; however, even now it's already apparent that the range of types of games will again probably become wider on the PS3 ("Eye of Judgement", "Singstar", "Little Big Planet", "Ecochrome" etc. are all testament to that).
So, maybe right now there's still no real urge for a 360 user to also get a PS3, but I assume that beginning this christmas seasons, the real interesting stuff will begin to pour out on the PS3. And, yes, there even are a few PS3 exclusives like Uncharted, GT5 or MGS4 that could also be worth the investment alone.
The big unknown remains Sony's "Home". If it will be a cool social space in its own right remains to be seen; the potential is certainly there. At least, again, its free, so no harm done by trying it.
With newer, cheaper SKUs coming, there's no excuse left for you! And don't forget: It's black and shiny, and as silent as it could be! ;-)
Oh, and you can become part of the world's largest supercomputer, and help defeat Alzheimer and cancer! :-D
xbox 360 FTL
cmon ps3 killzone 2 is goin to be awesome
Why did you feel the need to drag this up from the past, especially when your contribution added absolutely nothing? Please do not bump really old threads.
BustenRhymes7790
05-13-2009, 04:18
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2686
The_Only
05-13-2009, 15:29
May as well do this as you suggested.
The_Only
05-13-2009, 16:04
Warner Home Video has unwrapped fresh details on the forthcoming Blu-ray release of Watchmen: Director’s Cut, detailing the film’s technical specifications and special features.
As expected, the flick will be presented in glorious 1080p VC-1 accompanied by an ear-popping 5.1 Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. The film itself clocks in at 3 hours and 10 minutes.
Extras featured in the package include the following:
·Maximum Movie Mode (BD exclusive)
·Watchmen: Focus Points
·The Phenomenon: The Comic that Changed Comics
·Real Super Heroes, Real Vigilantes (BD exclusive)
·Mechanics: Technologies of a Fantastic World (BD exclusive)
·Music Video: Desolation Row (My Chemical Romance)
·Digital Copy (theatrical version)
·BD-Live
For the less technical savvy among us, the Maximum Movie Mode allows for split screen viewing of the film so viewers can get a better grasp on various elements in the director’s commentary.
Watchmen: Director’s Cut will be released on July 21 alongside its DVD counterpart.