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Cloudie
08-19-2008, 17:45
- Game Developer Research has conducted a survey with game developers in North America, and the latest results show that 73% console developers are making titles for Xbox 360:

All Developers:


70% - PC/Mac
43% - Consoles
28% - Web platforms
16% - Handhelds
Console Developers:


73% - Xbox 360
58% - PlayStation 3
42% - Wii
15% - PlayStation 2
Handheld Developers:


75% - Nintendo DS
45% - PSP



Oh well..58% isn't all bad. 50% of that is probally all Sony . :/

Source (http://www.the-magicbox.com)

crazychazza7
08-19-2008, 17:51
Still it's annoying how dev's complain about the 'difficulties' of developing for the PS3 yet they're too busy with Xbox360. Ah well, at least we have 58%. I'd rather have 58% of very good games, than 73% medicore games and the odd great game.

TGO
08-19-2008, 17:56
Game Developer Research has conducted a survey with game developers in North America, and the latest results show that 73% console developers are making titles for Xbox 360:
Lucky NA only account for about 25% of the games industry as far as devs go :|

Boulayman
08-19-2008, 17:59
Well, my 2 cents:

- Very surprised that ps3 is actually higher than the wii
- Don't forget that there are also crosses between categories, the 15% difference is a am sure just games that are being developped for the pc too. Those games are not targeted for the console market but they do a port nonetheless b/c the 360 is basically a computer.

gta0004
08-19-2008, 18:01
Well, my 2 cents:

- Very surprised that ps3 is actually higher than the wii
- Don't forget that there are also crosses between categories, the 15% difference is a am sure just games that are being developped for the pc too. Those games are not targeted for the console market but they do a port nonetheless b/c the 360 is basically a computer.
Really? A system which doesn't have a we browser is a computer?

RawK_Solid
08-19-2008, 18:01
I'm curious to know how many of those developers are making only Xbox Live games. I'm sure the number is high. Development costs are quite low for those games and the profit margins are probably much better than a major release. The risk vs. reward is attractive to smaller studios.

As PSN grows I'm sure we'll see more downloadable games released from virgin studios breaking into the PS3 arena.

Boulayman
08-19-2008, 18:10
Really? A system which doesn't have a we browser is a computer?

I was referring to how all those 3rd party developpers are saying how easy it is to develop on the 360 due to its similarity to computer code. As for web browser functionality, well quite frankly I didn't even know it wasn't supported on the xbox 360, kind of strange.

Staticneuron
08-19-2008, 18:17
Lucky NA only account for about 25% of the games industry as far as devs go :|

Not only that but there is a simple reason for this. The build of the hardware of the original xbox and the 360 are so at ease to PC developers that many have donned the hat of console dev to varying degrees of success.

Case in point bioware. The makers of baldurs gate and neverwinter nights made the hop to console. Their claim to fame was kotor. Fun game but undeniably they type of western rpg you would have typically found on the PC. There used to be a defining line about what style of gaming you could find on the PC and what you can find on the console. That has erased and brought over many PC gamer fanatics with them. The large sales that the original xbox and the 360 has seen are primarily made up of former PC gamers without a doubt.


Oh well..58% isn't all bad. 50% of that is probally all Sony . :/

Source (http://www.the-magicbox.com)

Actually.... no. Ther is about 7 Sony studios in NA.

unicron7
08-19-2008, 18:19
Where are the PS2 devs going after PS2 games stop being made.... I'm guessing PS3. 58%+15%= 73% Hmph... that matches the 360's %. This article means absolutely nothing. NULL.

crazychazza7
08-19-2008, 18:24
Where are the PS2 devs going after PS2 games stop being made.... I'm guessing PS3. 58%+15%= 73% Hmph... that matches the 360's %. This article means absolutely nothing. NULL.

Not really. The differance between developing for a PS2 and a PS3 is a big.
*Basically lazy developers = xbox 360. Developers willing to get their arse into gear = PS3.

*My personal opinion, no need for anyone to cry about it

webshark
08-19-2008, 18:48
this was posted a week ago

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=159381

and why is a thread titled "73% console developers are making titles for Xbox 360" in the PS3 section?



and lol at the spin on that unicorn

Bigdoggy
08-19-2008, 19:02
Well, as games take awhile to make, those developers probably signed some type of paper, so these games will probably be either timed or 360 exclusive. Once that is done they may focus on PS3, the percentage seems pretty much right. Although the percentage of the crap games are more like 10% crapola, now you have.

63% xbox360
58% PS3

but yea 73% xbox and 58 percent PS3 seems pretty damn close. expect that to change by next year though.

Typo, I meant to say, it seems pretty damn close.

Reaper187
08-19-2008, 19:08
yh but who's making more quality game's

webshark
08-19-2008, 19:23
Well, as games take awhile to make, those developers probably signed some type of paper, so these games will probably be either timed or 360 exclusive. Once that is done they may focus on PS3, the percentage seems pretty much right. Although the percentage of the crap games are more like 10% crapola, now you have.

63% xbox360
58% PS3

but yea 73% xbox and 58 percent PS3 doesn't seem pretty damn close. expect that to change by next year though.

LOL!

so wait, let me get this straight. of all the developers who make games on the 360, 14% (thats 10/73 for those counting) make crap games, but every single ps3 developer makes nothing but good games?

i feel like im just being a broken record and defending the 360 at every turn today, but damn people, show a little equality....

Bazookajoe_83
08-19-2008, 19:28
Wierd since ps3 has most exclusive, atleast from what was said at e3..

Bigdoggy
08-19-2008, 19:33
nah didn't mean to make it sound like that, but I guess it did. no matter though, it's just my opinion on it, I only have a few games on the Xbox360 that I actually enjoy playing. But a lot of them I wont even bother. but in there sense on it, while looking at other gamers throughout the world, it seems pretty damn accurate for the percentages.

Cloudie
08-19-2008, 19:37
- Very surprised that ps3 is actually higher than the wii

Yeah, that is a bit surprising.



this was posted a week ago

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=159381

Darn the magic box and their old news. >.<


"73% console developers are making titles for Xbox 360" in the PS3 section?


Good question.

webshark
08-19-2008, 19:37
Wierd since ps3 has most exclusive, atleast from what was said at e3..

i think they were saying that they have the most upcoming exclusives.

there was a thread here about a week ago that had a story about how sony actually has the least amount of exclusives, had all sorts of pretty graphs and such.....but for whatever reason, the story has been edited out of the OP and there are no links anymore....
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=158120&highlight=chart

anyways, the gist of it was that almost every game in the 360 for a full year was 'exclusive' as well as almost every title on XBLA, then you have the wii and all its SD games that devs arent going to release for the HD systems.

saying they have the 'most' is either PR spin, or a carefully chosen window of 'most upcoming'

SamuraiClarke
08-19-2008, 19:37
The title is mis-leading, in my opinion. It should be '73% of North American developers are making titles for Xbox 360'..

Anyway, i'm not really surprised to be honest. But I'm pretty sure that most developers are European / Asian.

TwentyThree
08-19-2008, 20:09
im not surprised ... and i dont see the problem.
PS3 has more tittles that people are looking forward to than any other console..

PS3
LBP
Socom:Confrontation
Killzone2
Resistance2
MAG
FFXIII
Bioshock
Farcry2

360
Fable2
Gears2
Left 4 dead
FFXIII
Farcry2

see there could be only 28% games being developed for the PS3 but they are quality games not just a third party developer trying to make a quick buck off a crappy game cough EA cough cough.. :)

webshark
08-19-2008, 20:15
*sheds a tear for the Multiplat section*

i posted this exact story there a week ago, and no one posted in it....





im not surprised ... and i dont see the problem.
PS3 has more tittles that people are looking forward to than any other console..

PS3
LBP
Socom:Confrontation
Killzone2
Resistance2
MAG
FFXIII
Bioshock
Farcry2

360
Fable2
Gears2
Left 4 dead
FFXIII
Farcry2

see there could be only 28% games being developed for the PS3 but they are quality games not just a third party developer trying to make a quick buck off a crappy game cough EA cough cough.. :)

first: yay list wars!

second: are you sure you have the credentials to make a claim like that in the bold? not only did you just generalize every single gamer in the world, but then you decided what they were interested in.

oh, and lol i just noticed you listed bioshock for the ps3 and not the 360....

dionusos
08-19-2008, 20:18
*sheds a tear for the Multiplat section*

i posted this exact story there a week ago, and no one posted in it....






first: yay list wars!

second: are you sure you have the credentials to make a claim like that in the bold? not only did you just generalize every single gamer in the world, but then you decided what they were interested in.

oh, and lol i just noticed you listed bioshock for the ps3 and not the 360....
It appears he was talking about upcoming games. BioShock is already out on 360. It's coming to PS3 with new content. And generalizations are fine for this type of discussion, as it is a known fact that some games are simply more popular/hyped than others, and therefore have a bigger impact on console sales than others.

skinny_jr
08-19-2008, 20:20
Wait till those 15% PS2 dev move to PS3!!!!

TwentyThree
08-19-2008, 20:22
*sheds a tear for the Multiplat section*

i posted this exact story there a week ago, and no one posted in it....






first: yay list wars!

second: are you sure you have the credentials to make a claim like that in the bold? not only did you just generalize every single gamer in the world, but then you decided what they were interested in.

oh, and lol i just noticed you listed bioshock for the ps3 and not the 360....

yeah well the 360 already had Bioshock along time ago... c'mon who is looking forward to the 360 version right now???

i guess your right about the bold parts... i probably said it cause those are the games that "I" am looking forward to ... just thought that most people felt the same here in the forums.

Linkedscorpion
08-19-2008, 20:24
im not surprised ... and i dont see the problem.
PS3 has more tittles that people are looking forward to than any other console..

PS3
LBP
Socom:Confrontation
Killzone2
Resistance2
MAG
FFXIII
Bioshock
Farcry2

360
Fable2
Gears2
Left 4 dead
FFXIII
Farcry2

see there could be only 28% games being developed for the PS3 but they are quality games not just a third party developer trying to make a quick buck off a crappy game cough EA cough cough.. :)

null list

-nobody knows anything for MAG except for 256 players, it probably wont even come out til early 2010
- cant believe you listed Bioshock when the 360 got it a year ago, no more hype left for that
-you dont even list all of the 360 titles but milk the ps3 list (you missed Halo Wars, Alan Wake, fallout for both consoles, and some others im pretty sure i missed)

lets try try not to make a war out of this though and stick to topic, you are right about one thing though, EA sucks major knickers

EDIT: anyone notice, none of the percentages equal to 100%?

so out of 131% of games, the xbox 360 is 73% and the ps3 is 58%?

To.Ken
08-19-2008, 20:32
I don't much care about what percentage of developers work on what platform. I only care about who the good developers are what games they are bringing out. The numbers in that article don't jive with my knowledge that almost all the good games coming out are going to be available on PS3.

webshark
08-19-2008, 20:33
EDIT: anyone notice, none of the percentages equal to 100%?

so out of 131% of games, the xbox 360 is 73% and the ps3 is 58%?

some developers make games for more than one console....

Staticneuron
08-19-2008, 20:41
I don't much care about what percentage of developers work on what platform. I only care about who the good developers are what games they are bringing out. The numbers in that article don't jive with my knowledge that almost all the good games coming out are going to be available on PS3.


With all due respect to the american devs..... I much rather prefer a list on Japanese development percentages..... but I guess that would be pointless since everyone can hazard the outcome. IMO, my favorite games of all time throught the generations have been made by Japanese devs for the most part. Only a select few I take my hats off to from europe and the america's.

But its funny. Just take a look back at all the games and titles you like the most, see who the devs are, and then you will have your answer on if this list amounts to a hill of beans or not.


i think they were saying that they have the most upcoming exclusives.

there was a thread here about a week ago that had a story about how sony actually has the least amount of exclusives, had all sorts of pretty graphs and such.....but for whatever reason, the story has been edited out of the OP and there are no links anymore....
http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=158120&highlight=chart

anyways, the gist of it was that almost every game in the 360 for a full year was 'exclusive' as well as almost every title on XBLA, then you have the wii and all its SD games that devs arent going to release for the HD systems.

saying they have the 'most' is either PR spin, or a carefully chosen window of 'most upcoming'

Of course the have the least third party exclusives but I think they were talking about first and second party titles to come.

You can use an example like call of duty 2. But what would that prove when cod3 and cod4 made it to the system?

bliss177
08-19-2008, 20:44
Still it's annoying how dev's complain about the 'difficulties' of developing for the PS3 yet they're too busy with Xbox360. Ah well, at least we have 58%. I'd rather have 58% of very good games, than 73% medicore games and the odd great game.

well, both consoles have great games, though I prefer PS3 by a long margin.
These numbers are meaningless, and I always want quality over quantity, regardless of the console.
I don't buy so many games, just the best games for me ---> my PS3 collection=MGS4, GTA4, R&C and Uncharted.
Next will be Little Big Planet, Socom, Resistance2, the new Motorstorm, KillZone2, Heavy Rain, Mirror's Edge.
Well, they are not few few games :)...but sure I'm not buying every **** on the earth.

dondidit
08-19-2008, 20:54
Good for xbox 360 but devs are jealous once they see that either the xbox or ps3 can't do what the other systems do they will go back to school and learn how to program them cells.

bliss177
08-19-2008, 21:19
Good for xbox 360 but devs are jealous once they see that either the xbox or ps3 can't do what the other systems do they will go back to school and learn how to program them cells.


you mean, once 3rd party developers see KillZone2 or Ico developers projects they become jealous and crazy ? :) well, they will !

nskinnear
08-19-2008, 22:08
Well, let's take into account that most of those games are going to be Multi-platform. Just do the math. Only fifteen percent of the games made for the Xbox 360 are exclusives. The other fifty-eight percent of the games are also included on the Playstation 3, while fourty-two percent of those games are also included on the Wii. So, even though over seventy percent of developers are making games for the Xbox 360, only fifteen percent of those games are going to be exclusive to the Xbox 360. Let's take that into consideration before worrying about the numbers for PS3.

Also, let's not forget that for the first year in the PS3's lifespan, the PS3 had seen almost no exclusives and fans were very upset with Sony. Now, we've seen games like Killzone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, the Agency, Infamous, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, etc. Fans can't be unhappy with such great titles like that getting ready to be or already shipped out. Throughout this year, we've seen a very steady increase in the amount of exclusive games for the PS3. With Sony's ten year plan, those numbers can only continue to climb until Sony eventually becomes the leader in exclusives in this battle of the next-gen consoles.

Third, also take into account that the Playstation 3 is not an easy console to develop for. That has been stated. If you don't believe me, I'll explain. The PS3 is hard to develop for because of the eight cores. Games require the coding to be passed out amongst all the cores. It is very tricky to make sure taht the right code passes through the right core at the right time that it is supposed to. I think that we'll start to see more and more developers begin to develop for the PS3 now that the coding is easier to figure out and work with. We must take this into account as well when we are looking into the numbers.

Finally, we still have games that will make developers who make games for the Xbox 360 want to also make games for the PS3. I think that once the devs see how powerful the PS3 really is they'll want to start developing games for it. For example, there is no way that the 360 could run MGS4 on just one disc. We already know that. The reason that it can run on the PS3 is because it is running on a dual-layered blu-ray disc. That is also why Killzone 2 would not be able to work on the 360. Once game developers realize that they would be able to do more with games (improve graphics, expand areas, etc.) on a blu-ray disc, they will start to develop more games on the Playstation 3.

Therefore, these numbers may be rather upsetting to PS3 fans, but worry not, because this will all change soon enough.

Nakatomi Uk
08-19-2008, 22:24
If thats the case how much of that 58% is going to be ports from 360 to PS3 there's a question I would like answered.

zombieking36
08-19-2008, 22:26
Too Human is a dud, so what we got left good for the 360 Gears 2(will probably end up overhyped), Fable 2(I trust the guy to do well, so I think this will be a AAA), and then Left 4 Dead(may not even remain exclusive).
So many of there games are screw ups, yet Sony makes sure ours come out great more often.
Too many of the Wii games are jokes for me to even want to say anything...
But I will... The Wii games are mostly mini-games, screw ups, or faulty controls. There are very few that are truely good, not hitting greatness yet. Its like Brawl, Zelda, Mario, Metroid, and then nothing else exclusive that stands out.

webshark
08-19-2008, 22:33
edit: nevermind, i misread the post i quoted here. sorry for the scrolling inconvenience.

TwentyThree
08-19-2008, 22:44
null list

-nobody knows anything for MAG except for 256 players, it probably wont even come out til early 2010
- cant believe you listed Bioshock when the 360 got it a year ago, no more hype left for that
-you dont even list all of the 360 titles but milk the ps3 list (you missed Halo Wars, Alan Wake, fallout for both consoles, and some others im pretty sure i missed)

lets try try not to make a war out of this though and stick to topic, you are right about one thing though, EA sucks major knickers

EDIT: anyone notice, none of the percentages equal to 100%?

so out of 131% of games, the xbox 360 is 73% and the ps3 is 58%?

we know that MAG will be in third person, and there are rummors about it releasing somtime later next year.
and sorry if i missed some of the tittles the 360 had i dont know excactly every single one off the top of my head... just remember the ones ill be buying.

and yes EA sucks...

reddevil15
08-19-2008, 23:20
I'd rather have less devs working on PS3 and have better games than more and crappy games. Which is happening right now. The 360 have no exclusives coming up that I'm looking forward to, and the PS3 has 10-15. Not many games worth mentioning on 360 in the first place IMO. (Exclusives)

Bigdoggy
08-20-2008, 00:03
well, the only game I am really REALLY looking forward to is Fable 2. Otherwise they have to much crapola floating around in there library. I think the reason for that is because it's easier to develop for Xbox360. Notice how many crap games the PC has compared to really good games. Just because a system is easier to develop for doesn't always mean a good thing, but there are the advantages. advantages of bragging on how many games it has compared to the other console systems.

1lyi1
08-20-2008, 00:23
Quality over quantity, if 58% of developers are making Ps3 games, I probably will buy less than 2%.

Stevosteve
08-20-2008, 00:27
Better games > More Games.Nobody is buing them all anyway!lol
I myself am goin to buy only a few, for now I have GTA IV and i'm OK.

tamud
08-20-2008, 00:45
Is Sony is not honest and does not have business ethics they could have been number one right now by always doing lots of pay off and if only they are own by the richest monopolies in the world

EyeSight
08-20-2008, 00:55
Still it's annoying how dev's complain about the 'difficulties' of developing for the PS3 yet they're too busy with Xbox360. Ah well, at least we have 58%. I'd rather have 58% of very good games, than 73% medicore games and the odd great game.
it is my opinion that if you compare multi platform games, the ps3 versions are worse (unfortuneatly), and i strongly disagree that every single ps3 game is very good (at this moment in time)

dionusos
08-20-2008, 00:57
PS3 has SOCOM and that's all that matters. Sept 1st needs to hurry up and get here!!!!

crazychazza7
08-20-2008, 00:58
it is my opinion that if you compare multi platform games, the ps3 versions are worse (unfortuneatly), and i strongly disagree that every single ps3 game is very good (at this moment in time)

Yeah but if you compare that to the amount of pointless games the 360 get, then there's no argument. Anyway I don't want to make this into a listwar or something so I'll just stop there :DD.

hisame
08-20-2008, 01:10
This is a joke they must compare developer number.
When EA owns about 50% of world game development men power.
And SONY studios owns 35% of world game development men power.
And mind you both EA and SONY made games for PS3 and SONY don't make games for 360.
On top this is for NA developer only.
When most of SONY developers are in Japan and EU.

playstationed
08-20-2008, 04:33
Thats good and i hope it that percantage goes up.

papaw
08-20-2008, 05:00
Well, let's take into account that most of those games are going to be Multi-platform. Just do the math. Only fifteen percent of the games made for the Xbox 360 are exclusives. The other fifty-eight percent of the games are also included on the Playstation 3, while fourty-two percent of those games are also included on the Wii. So, even though over seventy percent of developers are making games for the Xbox 360, only fifteen percent of those games are going to be exclusive to the Xbox 360. Let's take that into consideration before worrying about the numbers for PS3.

Also, let's not forget that for the first year in the PS3's lifespan, the PS3 had seen almost no exclusives and fans were very upset with Sony. Now, we've seen games like Killzone 2, SOCOM: Confrontation, the Agency, Infamous, Metal Gear Solid 4, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank Future: Tools of Destruction, etc. Fans can't be unhappy with such great titles like that getting ready to be or already shipped out. Throughout this year, we've seen a very steady increase in the amount of exclusive games for the PS3. With Sony's ten year plan, those numbers can only continue to climb until Sony eventually becomes the leader in exclusives in this battle of the next-gen consoles.

Third, also take into account that the Playstation 3 is not an easy console to develop for. That has been stated. If you don't believe me, I'll explain. The PS3 is hard to develop for because of the eight cores. Games require the coding to be passed out amongst all the cores. It is very tricky to make sure taht the right code passes through the right core at the right time that it is supposed to. I think that we'll start to see more and more developers begin to develop for the PS3 now that the coding is easier to figure out and work with. We must take this into account as well when we are looking into the numbers.

Finally, we still have games that will make developers who make games for the Xbox 360 want to also make games for the PS3. I think that once the devs see how powerful the PS3 really is they'll want to start developing games for it. For example, there is no way that the 360 could run MGS4 on just one disc. We already know that. The reason that it can run on the PS3 is because it is running on a dual-layered blu-ray disc. That is also why Killzone 2 would not be able to work on the 360. Once game developers realize that they would be able to do more with games (improve graphics, expand areas, etc.) on a blu-ray disc, they will start to develop more games on the Playstation 3.

Therefore, these numbers may be rather upsetting to PS3 fans, but worry not, because this will all change soon enough.
A good read and much said.. bottom line is.. we win or I should say we will have the best games.:p I don't mind if one console has a game and another doesn't as long as we ALL get great games.:rolleyes: Didn't want to start a flame war.;)

rbrtchng
08-20-2008, 05:58
Really? A system which doesn't have a we browser is a computer?

a computer is not defined by whether or not it has a web browser. I think what he meant was that 360 coding is very similar to PC coding.

Idenowhereiam
08-20-2008, 06:27
Moved because this thread is more about dev percentages for all consoles.
That any with a title like this it more or less doesn't belong in the ps3 section

Rolovis
08-20-2008, 06:41
well, what about devs making 75% DS games and 45% PSP games? Wait, what? There's multiplat handheld games?

Yungstar 2006
08-20-2008, 10:07
Oh well..58% isn't all bad. 50% of that is probally all Sony . :/

Source (http://www.the-magicbox.com)

as the 360 has the highest attach rate, is it surprising that it will get the most games?

also, considering how much time people have for playing games, is it really a worry that PS3 is not getting as many games?