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nskinnear
09-04-2008, 22:10
Microsoft came out of the gate swinging, the first console manufacturer to release a HD capable gaming system. With a year on the market all by itself, the Xbox 360 built a massive lead while Microsoft touted all sorts of statistics about record console sales and attach rates. Then the Wii came out and made the Xbox 360 its sales *****. Now the PS3, decried by many as bloated and overpriced, has begun to outsell it as well. What's a Microsoft exec to do? After today's announcement of a price drop in the US, we're here to offer up some more suggestions.

10: Price Drop (Done…sort of)
Today, Microsoft announced (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/907/907553p1.html) that it would be dropping the price of all three versions of the Xbox 360 console. The Arcade unit now clocks in at a svelte $199 in the US, cheaper than the rival Wii. The Elite, however, stands at $399. While having a console cheaper than the Wii is certainly attractive to soccer moms and those looking for a cheaper holiday present, gamers know that the Arcade unit doesn't come with a hard drive. In other words, if you want to take advantage of what the Xbox 360 has to offer through Xbox Live, you'll need to buy one of the more expensive models. Unless the cost of gas magically drops before this holiday season, those Xbox 360s with hard drives are still going to look mighty expensive to consumers.

9: Accessory Price Drop
Have you ever tried to go buy a wireless network adaptor or a new hard drive for your Xbox 360? It's highway robbery. You can expect to pay $100 for a wireless adapter or $150 for a 120 GB hard drive if you buy an Arcade unit and want to upgrade your system a bit. Sure, these prices will only piss off every single person that buys an Xbox 360…who in turn will complain to their friends. Microsoft can't seriously expect people to get excited about gaming when a hard drive costs almost as much as two new games. Or maybe they do. That needs to change.


http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/907/907573/top-10-moves-to-put-360-back-on-top-20080903053435116-000.jpg This thing is expensive!

8: Adopt Blu-ray
The HD-DVD drive was a nice thought straight up until Blu-ray swept it off the market. Now the PlayStation 3 is sitting by itself as the only console that can play HD movies. You can rent them through Xbox Live to download, but these compressed versions pale in comparison to what Blu-ray can do. With the PS3 and Xbox 360 offering up largely the same third-party line-ups these days, Blu-ray can easily be the deciding factor between the two. Push a Blu-ray add-on out the door and add another checkmark to your marketing list.

7: Redesign the 360
This one may simply combine the previous few entries on this list, but bear with us. The value of the Xbox 360 Elite is simply not there. It now costs twice as much as the Xbox 360 Arcade, but only offers HDMI, a wireless controller and a 120 GB hard drive to justify that price increase. It's time to make the Elite truly worthy of its name. Add a built-in wireless network adapter. Add a Blu-ray player. Add a slot loading disc drive. Make the console smaller. Give people a reason to pay more money.

6: Play Up Netflix
The Netflix announcement was one of the biggest of E3. If you haven't heard, you're going to be able to stream Netflix movies through your Xbox 360 to your living room television after a system update this fall. Microsoft made a brilliant move here, but there's room for them to capitalize on it. Get the Netflix service running ASAP and give people a free trial month when they sign up for Xbox Live gold. Then advertise the heck out of this deal.


http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/907/907573/top-10-moves-to-put-360-back-on-top-20080903053005140-000.jpg No late fees and no mailing back DVDs with Xbox Live.

5: Give Us a Casual Friendly Controller
No, the Big Button Pad doesn't count. Dual analog controllers are a great all-purpose solution, but those who haven't grown up gaming often have trouble wrapping their heads around it. Go ahead and ask your aunt to play Geometry Wars: Retro Evolved. It may be funny to you watching them die in just a few seconds before you display your superiority, but that's as simple as games get and new players often struggle with it. A motion controller might not be the solution, or it might be. Either way something basic for people to get into simple Arcade games will help Microsoft expand its user base in ways that Viva Piñata, as good as it may be, or avatars could never hope to.

4: Revamp the Marketing
Have you seen a commercial for Xbox 360 lately? We've seen plenty where Microsoft has tried to make you associate popular games like Rock Band or Guitar Hero with the console by flashing a 360 logo on the end of an advertisement they've subsidized, but it's been a while since we've seen any that Microsoft has put together itself. The last time any of us saw something advertising Xbox 360 itself was at a San Jose Earthquakes MLS game. Not exactly high profile. Nintendo ads are everywhere. Sony ads are shoved into every nook Nintendo leaves open. Word of mouth is not enough.

3: Free Pack-in Game
Everybody loves free stuff. They also love playing their consoles as soon as they get them. A free pack-in promotion for the holidays will rally both parents looking for a gift and the more common gamer. Toss in Halo 3 for free and you've got yourself a promotion that might even grab some media attention just as the peak buying season begins. Or, if MS is looking to attract those non-Halo gamers, a Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts pack-in would do just fine. Microsoft has already shown that it is willing to sacrifice some money to attract consumers with that one (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/900/900010p1.html).

2: Make Xbox Live Free
Xbox Live is Microsoft's ace in the hole, but for how long? The PlayStation Network has been gaining speed with trophies and a more stable --and free -- online playing field. Games for Windows Live went free after Microsoft recognized that it couldn't attract PC gamers with fees for playing online. Well, guess what? You can't attract non-hardcore gamers on Xbox 360 by asking them to pay to play online. Make what constitutes Xbox Live Gold free and add some new bonuses to those that are willing to pay. Things like Netflix, free XNA games, or early access to betas would be nice bonuses to paying members, but playing online needs to be free.



http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/907/907573/top-10-moves-to-put-360-back-on-top-20080903053215417.jpg Competition is making this look more and more expensive.

1: More Halos
It's time to take a hint from Nintendo. Though only one true Mario game comes out every few years, games with Mario in them are in no short supply. It's the mascot that defines what Nintendo is and pervades everything the system does. Halo has been an undeniable success for Microsoft. Why not capitalize on it? Halo Wars is a good start, but why haven't we ever seen anything on Peter Jackson's Halo project? Why are the rumors of the next Halo first-person shooter pointing at it coming with the next Xbox console? Diversifying your library is nice, but Master Chief has already penetrated the mass market. Build on what works rather than trying to lay a new foundation.

Source (http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/907/907573p1.html)

I agree with a few of those, such as the fact that their accessory prices have to come down in price.

Vulgotha
09-04-2008, 22:13
Funny thing about that optional gimmicky Wi-Fi accessory is this (And I've said it before):

If you have a PC or Laptop which is connected to a wireless network in your house (obviously you'd have won if you're going to buy the 360 Wireless accessory) all you need is an Ethernet cord and configure the PC you plug your 360 into, to bridge the connection.

Free.

Well, ok 20$ for the cord if you don't already have one...But still.

@skinner: Keep up the good work!:)

Soldier 95B
09-04-2008, 22:13
I agree with 10, 9, 6, 4 and 3. The others, um...no thanks. I suspect that none of that will happen anytime soon. The 360 continues to outsell it's previous year sales by 40%+, so I don't believe there is any need.

Beemer
09-04-2008, 22:21
More Halos? Please, no. Good franchise as it is, don't copy paste it to death as Nintendo has done with Mario.

mickice
09-04-2008, 22:43
I agree with 10, 9, 6, 4 and 3. The others, um...no thanks. I suspect that none of that will happen anytime soon. The 360 continues to outsell it's previous year sales by 40%+, so I don't believe there is any need.

It doesn't matter how much their sales increase, if there still being outsold by the PS3/Wii things need to change.

[velocity]
09-04-2008, 22:51
Well I agree with most of them, though I don't want the 360 to be redesigned.

And at least make Live cheaper.

Soldier 95B
09-04-2008, 22:52
It doesn't matter how much their sales increase, if there still being outsold by the PS3/Wii things need to change.

Why do they need to change? Besides MS, Sony and Nintendo, who cares if they sell more? I sure as heck don't. I just like playing the games. I don't get any benefit for the PS3 or 360 being number 1.

Make LIVE cheaper? With the service they offer, it's practically free. $50 a year is trivial. 96 cents a week for the best online experience on PC or console (IMO), I would pay even more (but I hope they don't increase it :mrgreen:)

nskinnear
09-04-2008, 22:55
More Halos? Please, no. Good franchise as it is, don't copy paste it to death as Nintendo has done with Mario.

That was exactly what I thought. The last thing I would want is more Halos. I mean, I'd like to see the series continue, but eventually, they'll run out of story and after the great stories end, the series should end.

YoungMullah88
09-04-2008, 22:58
pssh all they need is to drop the live payment, a price drop and market that **** to hell! thats it

Infinite Daremo
09-04-2008, 23:09
Some decent marketing like Nintendos. Cant go a day without seeing a Ninty ad on TV here in the UK. Haven't seen a Microsoft advert since before last Xmas.

MATRIX 2
09-04-2008, 23:12
Funny thing about that optional gimmicky Wi-Fi accessory is this (And I've said it before):

If you have a PC or Laptop which is connected to a wireless network in your house (obviously you'd have won if you're going to buy the 360 Wireless accessory) all you need is an Ethernet cord and configure the PC you plug your 360 into, to bridge the connection.

Free.

Well, ok 20$ for the cord if you don't already have one...But still.

@skinner: Keep up the good work!:)

Wait, you pay $20 for an Ethernet cable. My 50ft cat5e Ethernet cable was $8 shipped.

MR_T
09-04-2008, 23:29
the only thing i agree with on that list is the price of accesories needs to be dropped. i dont really see what the problem is or what list's like this try to accomplish. my primary gaming system is my 360 and all my mates do the same. the only issue is that of people trying to create 1 over nothing.

Vulgotha
09-04-2008, 23:49
Looks like I got owned Matrix. I paid more than 20$ for my 50 footer. I think it was in the ballpark of like 60$.

So I based my figures off a "Shorter" cord of like 20ft and guessed that it'd be roughly 15-20$.

Looks like I just got ripped off by Bestbuy lol.

Bitbydeath
09-04-2008, 23:56
Why do they need to change? Besides MS, Sony and Nintendo, who cares if they sell more? I sure as heck don't. I just like playing the games. I don't get any benefit for the PS3 or 360 being number 1.

Make LIVE cheaper? With the service they offer, it's practically free. $50 a year is trivial. 96 cents a week for the best online experience on PC or console (IMO), I would pay even more (but I hope they don't increase it :mrgreen:)

1. You might not care if MS come last place but i'm sure MS as a company do.

2. PC gets Xbox Live on Xbox titles and its free there.

Vulgotha
09-04-2008, 23:57
They were charging for it until they kept getting roflstomped by free services that the PC has like STEAM.

But then they manage to convince everybody that paying for LIVE ensures all this quality when they were saying similar things about it's PC counterpart before going "Free" when the competition rolled them.

Or atleast that's how I recall it going down.

Soldier 95B
09-05-2008, 01:31
Besides MS, Sony and Nintendo, who cares if they sell more?


1. You might not care if MS come last place but i'm sure MS as a company do.



Did you see what I posted above? I quoted myself for you.

I don't care if MS as a company wants to be in first place and they don't succeed. They have already succeeded in making an awesome selling console, with some of the best games in the world, and the best online gaming experience on a console to date (AGAIN, IMO).

So again, being in first place has no bearing on my purchase of my 360 or PS3. I enjoy them both.

tmacfan4321
09-05-2008, 02:15
Did you see what I posted above? I quoted myself for you.

I don't care if MS as a company wants to be in first place and they don't succeed. They have already succeeded in making an awesome selling console, with some of the best games in the world, and the best online gaming experience on a console to date (AGAIN, IMO).

So again, being in first place has no bearing on my purchase of my 360 or PS3. I enjoy them both.

This man wins the thread.

MATRIX 2
09-05-2008, 02:37
Looks like I got owned Matrix. I paid more than 20$ for my 50 footer. I think it was in the ballpark of like 60$.

So I based my figures off a "Shorter" cord of like 20ft and guessed that it'd be roughly 15-20$.

Looks like I just got ripped off by Bestbuy lol.

next time, thy this site:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10208

tmacfan4321
09-05-2008, 02:39
next time, thy this site:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10208
Newegg is my source, I have always had great prices and service with them. 6FT HDMI cables for $7. I got two.

coolguy
09-05-2008, 02:51
live should really be free. haveing it free would be great just like the PSN

Stripes
09-05-2008, 03:09
This list basically implies that they want the 360 to be a PS3...

Vulgotha
09-05-2008, 03:15
well for PC parts and the like, I use Newegg.. But basic supplies I do Bestbuy etc.

Sparc
09-05-2008, 09:22
Half of these suggestions are okay the other half is absolute tripe. In any case I'm pretty sure the 360 will not have outsold the PS3 by the end of this gen. The big shock has been the Wii. The success of the Wii has pushed MS from second place with a greater marketshare than its first incarnation to third place (still with more marketshare though than it had with the original xbox).

Anyhoo...I think the next generation of consoles will be a completely different product altogether. This will be the last gen that consoles are as we know them today. Mark my words :)

FdMstng99
09-05-2008, 11:10
I would love to see XBL be free, I just doubt that would really happen.

Harrow
09-05-2008, 16:35
More Halos? Please, no. Good franchise as it is, don't copy paste it to death as Nintendo has done with Mario.

Well they couldn't make the list 9 things MS should do, so maybe they tacked that one on to makeit even? :mrgreen:

AnonymousB
09-05-2008, 21:07
More Halos? Please, no. Good franchise as it is, don't copy paste it to death as Nintendo has done with Mario.

As a ps3/360 player you probably don't understand why people play mario games. Mario is kind of a quality tag. Mario kart, mario party, super smash bros, ... you name it, they are all very good and entertaining games and they form the staple of any nintendo gamer's games collection.

I can understand how people hate mario but only because he is the single most successful video game character in existence. Mario games sell more than any solid snake/master chief/niko bellic/... game and for a reason. Everyone loves mario (except for a vocal minority of haters).

The sales numbers of all mario games prove that the mario franchise is far from death. Dare I say more alive than ever? I couldn't imagine the next nintendo console without the bread and butter mario games. I just wouldn't buy the console, and with me millions of nintendo fans.

Jaeger
09-05-2008, 21:37
Nintendo have hardly copy pasted Mario 'to death' - each Mario game has somehow introduced new gameplay elements into the series. Galaxy, for example, introduced the revolutionary 'globe' system...

Sparc
09-05-2008, 21:47
I hope Live stays as it is for I believe it's become the service it is today through the fact it's been subscription based to those who wished to make use of the dedicated backbone. I have never lamented at the $50 per annum fee and it will never bother me if I have to continue paying it. I get great value from the service and virtually never experience lag or online issues.

Soldier 95B
09-05-2008, 21:58
I hope they never remove the $50 annual service fee. It is the reason why it's the best offering to date. Unless they can guarantee that we will continue to see the phenomenal improvements we keep seeing every spring and fall, I want to keep funding this premium service.

If PSN was this good, and they wanted $50 a year for it, I would easily pay it.

Sparc
09-05-2008, 22:01
Just seen an excellent deal for those in the UK. Usual price is £39.99 but Play.com do a limited edition Halo Live card which gives you 13 months for just £29.99!

http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-/3452056/Xbox-Live-12-Month-Limited-Edition-Halo-3-Gold-Membership/Product.html

Rapture
09-05-2008, 22:18
Drop the price of the accessories. They are so high, any price drop would greatly help.

Create a Blu-Ray player add-on at an affordable price. Not a built in.

Lower the cost of Live to, let's say, 30$? Yeah.

To help with the Elite thing, add a 6 month subscription to Xbox Live for those who buy Elites.

That's what I think.

Sparc
09-05-2008, 22:26
The price of the accessories definitely needs revisiting. They are all way overpriced.

Genesis-
09-05-2008, 22:57
Did you see what I posted above? I quoted myself for you.

I don't care if MS as a company wants to be in first place and they don't succeed. They have already succeeded in making an awesome selling console, with some of the best games in the world, and the best online gaming experience on a console to date (AGAIN, IMO).

So again, being in first place has no bearing on my purchase of my 360 or PS3. I enjoy them both.

Well, you might not feel that way now, but market share is indeed crucial to the consumer-- as the more market share a console has, the more investments by third-party developers will be made. If you can recoup all your developmental and production cost and then some on one console with a greater market share -- why bother doing a version that won't yeild the same numbers? Playstation 2?

Soldier 95B
09-06-2008, 02:06
Well, you might not feel that way now, but market share is indeed crucial to the consumer-- as the more market share a console has, the more investments by third-party developers will be made. If you can recoup all your developmental and production cost and then some on one console with a greater market share -- why bother doing a version that won't yeild the same numbers? Playstation 2?

Nah. Look at it like this. If you have 60 million Xbox 360s, and say, 50 million PS3's, they are both still going to get equal 3rd party support. No matter what, the developers want a piece of that 110 million console pie.

Now you would have a point if we had 100 million PS3s and 10 million Xbox 360s at the end. THEN I would be concerned about MS not getting themselves in a better place in the race.

As everyone has seen and continues to see, the race will be pretty even, so there are no worries about MS coming in first, second or 3rd, so long as they saturate the market with a butt load of consoles.

LittleBigWorld
09-06-2008, 03:00
Like the other guy said, this list basically tells people that the 360 should be a PS3.

Lower Xbox Live? pfffft never its all about the Monayyyyyyyyyy for Microsoft and I don't care what you fanboys say. Obviously Microsoft is M$ you basically have to pay for everything to get a 100% true gaming experience from the 360. I'm glad I already bought all those extra add onset for my Elite. I'll never by another 360 add on again. It made me broke.

360 and blu-ray? Nawwwwww. Maybe for 720 but 360 nawwwwww

Microsoft rep already said that with this upcoming fall feature where you could burn the cd into the 360's hard drive and play with faster loading times in such will make blu-ray unnecessary for the 360.

FinalEvangelion
09-06-2008, 03:41
More Halos? Americans would love it and Europeans to some extent. However, that's one thing that won't go so well with the Japanese. Mario has a much more universal appeal than Master Chief.

Sparc
09-06-2008, 08:15
Well, you might not feel that way now, but market share is indeed crucial to the consumer-- as the more market share a console has, the more investments by third-party developers will be made. If you can recoup all your developmental and production cost and then some on one console with a greater market share -- why bother doing a version that won't yeild the same numbers? Playstation 2?Then why has MS more third-party support this gen than before? After all if it was based on the marketshare comparison between the PS2 and the original Xbox then using your logic MS shouldn't have had hardly any 3rd party support this time round.

Evoking1230
09-06-2008, 13:56
definitely reduce the prices on the accessories and please do offer a game with the console!

Im looking for the Elite bundle(with Marvel and Forza 2) but cant find it around anywhere anymore

tmacfan4321
09-06-2008, 13:57
definitely reduce the prices on the accessories and please do offer a game with the console!

Im looking for the Elite bundle(with Marvel and Forza 2) but cant find it around anywhere anymore
They discontinued it, that was only released around the holidays.