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cyrusmg
05-13-2005, 21:37
Not sure i agree with what this guy is saying, and it is PRE unveiling so its not based on facts, but its interesting.

http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=9619&section=feature&email=%3CEMAIL_ADDRESS%3E


Analysts Question Release Timing and Power of Xbox 360

The next-gen Xbox is about to make its official debut on MTV starting tonight, but some analysts think that launching a next-gen system this year may be too soon and that the market may not quite be ready. Some also believe that the technological leap from Xbox to Xbox 360 won't be as big as some would think, leading people to label the system Xbox 1.5.


As the world gets ready to check out Microsoft's next-gen Xbox for the first time on MTV (the infomercial airs tonight at 9:30PM) some in the industry are questioning whether a 2005 launch is too soon to debut a next-gen console, and exactly how big the technological leap from Xbox to Xbox 360 will be.

Launch too soon?
Because of MTV's on-air schedule listing for the program, it is now widely believed that the next Xbox will ship sometime this November. A November launch for the 360 would mean only a 4-year console cycle for the original Xbox, while the typical console cycle has historically been 5 years. One of the drawbacks of this is that developers may never truly max out the potential of the platform. The deeper into the cycle game creators get, the more familiar they are with the intricacies of developing for that platform. Some of the best-looking titles are often created near the end of a console's lifespan. After all, look at what developers have been able to do lately with the aging PlayStation 2 hardware. Games like Gran Turismo 4 and God of War could almost pass for Xbox titles.

[ "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," PJ McNealy, American Technology Research ]


Although Microsoft is trying to build up hype levels in the mainstream by showing its new system on MTV, some argue that the market may not be ready for a next-gen system this year. "I question whether Microsoft might be coming out too soon with the next Xbox," IDC analyst Schelley Olhava told The Washington Post.

Sharing Olhava's concern, Wedbush Morgan Securities analyst Michael Pachter added, "I wonder if there's going to be enough time to get consumers really excited."

It was Pachter, remember, who said that the current-gen cycle wouldn't end until the PS3 launches. "...we expect the launch of Sony's PS3... to mark the beginning of the next cycle, and think that rapid sales growth will not materialize until 2007," he said. Pachter told GameDAILY BIZ, "I actually don't think the Xbox 360 launching is any different than the PSP launching. It's not going to cause PS2 owners to buy less software."

Publishers, too, would probably have liked Microsoft to wait until 2006 to launch the 360, as preparing titles for a brand-new platform automatically means a huge investment in research and development. Already we've seen bigger losses or lowered profits in the earnings reports of some publishers who have cited spending on R&D for the next generation.

What kind of visual improvement will there be?
Then there's the issue of how big a leap the Xbox 360 will bring to video games. Sony spokeswoman Molly Smith recently told BusinessWeek, "We look at delivering a quantum leap in technology, not just Xbox version 1.5." While you'd expect Sony to belittle its closest competitor, others in the industry have expressed similar sentiments about the next Xbox.

American Technology Research analyst PJ McNealy believes that the Xbox 360 will offer more in the way of online options (e.g. customization, microtransactions, etc.) but that its graphical capabilities will not represent a huge jump over the current Xbox. "This is more an Xbox 1.5 than an Xbox 2. It's like an Xbox with a broadband cash register built in," he said.

Seamus Blackley, one of the main figures behind the design of the original Xbox and now an agent for Creative Artists Agency, doesn't think there will be a large visual leap either but he doesn't limit his comments to the Xbox 360. According to The Washington Post, he believes that the entire next generation "will see a more incremental increase in technological wizardry compared to previous turning points in the video-game industry."

Backwards compatibility is key
Another critical issue for Microsoft could be (the lack of) backwards compatibility. Sony's PS3 will almost certainly play PS2 games and Nintendo has already confirmed that the Revolution will be backwards compatible with the GameCube, but Microsoft has not been willing to talk about it. "If they decide not to be backward compatible I question their judgment," Pachter told us in a prior interview. In his report, "Xbox 360 Debut Tomorrow: Answering the $2.4 Billion Compatibility Question," Pachter elaborated on the topic.

"Should the Xbox 360 be incompatible with the current generation Xbox, we think that publishers will face a dilemma. Most will plan to produce SKUs for the PS2, PSP, and Xbox 360, but will be faced with a decision whether to produce future games for the current generation Xbox," he said. "If the Xbox 360 is incompatible, sales of current generation Xbox hardware are likely to rapidly decline, making the support decision even more difficult. Further complicating the decision is the cost of next generation software development, expected to be $10 - 15 million per game, compared to $3 - 5 million for current generation software development. In order to support both the current and next generation Xboxes, publishers will be required to spend $13 - 20 million per game chasing a combined installed base that is not assured to grow over the first few years without backward compatibility."

Pachter also thinks that the growth of the industry itself could be adversely affected if Microsoft decides not to include backwards compatibility because publishers may have no choice but to drop support for the current Xbox. "In the event that publishers choose to abandon development of current generation Xbox games in 2006, the negative impact on industry sales growth could be even more dramatic... We think that the outcome of the backward compatibility issue will go a long way toward determining industry sales growth in 2005 and beyond, and we believe that a negative decision could negatively impact share prices for the U.S. publishers."

Makaveli_786
05-13-2005, 21:39
I don't agree with the market isn't ready for a next-gen system this year, even if they release Q1 06 instead of Q4 05 its a tiny difference but I agree about the Xbox 1.5.. it has the same problem as the DC, it wasn't a wide enough leap in graphics.

DezNutz
05-13-2005, 21:51
lol what did I say? Told you this one was getting called x-box 1 1/2.. lol... this thing has got flop written all over it.

siren
05-13-2005, 21:58
lol what did I say? Told you this one was getting called x-box 1 1/2.. lol... this thing has got flop written all over it.

That quote originated with Sony, big surprise there.

bustabusta196
05-13-2005, 22:09
Didnt people say Xbox was going to flop before it even released??? did it???

Makaveli_786
05-13-2005, 22:13
Thats true but you can look at it two ways, people said the Xbox will destroy the PS2 and will outsell it twice or three times.. then you can look at real world results and see the PS2 slaughered the Xbox in hardware and software sales and even online users which is Microsoft's jib.

bustabusta196
05-13-2005, 22:22
Well i never heard anyone say Xbox will destroy PS2.. and that whole 2x3x's bull.. and we can already clarify that the reason sony is doing better in online number ratios.. is 1)Its free 2) it has 56kers.. watch and even sony started to go away from 56k and go broadband only for some games. So Id say Xbox dominated online.. in seeing that they are attracting people even with the price tag.. rather then just giving something away for free to whoever wants it. But i know people on Xbox Live that have all 3 consoles.. play ps2 and xbox on line and hands down even with broadband they said ps2 online didnt hold a candle to xbox live.

mckmas8808
05-13-2005, 22:26
M$ and even siren included have to take alot of these quotes into consideration. For Xbox fans I hope M$ listens to people like this and try to work against it.

Makaveli_786
05-13-2005, 22:27
Well exactly how, I thought that playing your games online was what online gaming was about, you get to play your games online the difference being there is no fee, there is no lag on PS2 online and there are no 56K'ers as far as I'm aware.. Live has over a million subscribers right.. I bet you don't know how many subscribers PS2 online has :D

siren
05-13-2005, 22:29
I remember people saying that the Xbox would blow the PS2 away by 2 to 3 times sales margins. But no one took them seriously (and if anyone did they are no better). Those are worthless comments.

No better than saying that the PS3 will take over and replace all WinTel computers within 5 years. Or that Microsoft will own the Mobile Smartphone market in 5 years. Or that Microsoft will buyout Sony. Or....

You get the drift. A lot of people make lots of stupid comments.

I personally wouldn't use such a comment to try to back up an argument though. It doesn't do much.

In reality, most analysts expected MS to take about 10 - 20% marketshare at best with the Xbox if it succeeded. A lot predicted it would never even get off the ground.

One final point, while Sony has more "Online users" that doesn't mean they have more people playing online. A lot of PS2 games allow the creation of multiple users from a single disc. They don't restrict users to one gamertag per account like MS.

Though I do believe that Sony does have more users, but not by the margins they should have considering that their service is free and they have 4x the installed base of Xbox World Wide.

Makaveli_786
05-13-2005, 22:33
Well you could say the Xbox isn't as openly available in Japan thats why it failed but making escuses doesn't do anything, its the same that can be said about games, the PS2 sells mroe copies of platform games because there are more PS2 games but to devs and analysts and guys who have to write sales figures worry about this?

Come on man we could sit here all day talking about the why, the what, the who the how but when it comes down to it Xbox was outsold hardware and software wise and it has less online users overall as well.. the real world solid figures clearly state it.

bustabusta196
05-13-2005, 22:36
Yeah if you can get 1 million people to PAY for your services then you must be doing something right. In Ps2's case they STARTED with the option of either having 56k or broadband to play online over here in the united states.. and ps2 does lag, dont sit there and try to say it doesnt lol.. heck even Xbox Live lags sometimes.. but its mostly on the connection of you or the other user.

mckmas8808
05-13-2005, 22:39
Even siren says that the Xbox 360 will sell less units than the PS3. I totally respect siren for being totally honest in the day of fanboys. Thank you Siren just for being honest.

straightballin
05-13-2005, 22:44
Well its almost impossible to out sell the ps3 because of the sony fanbase. Microsoft started with none and got about 20 million which is great. That 20 million could go up or down. Same with sonys

siren
05-13-2005, 22:50
Same figures also show the Xbox gaining marketshare right now.

So yes it lost, that is already a given. Does that mean that it isn't doing good and continuing to improve?

One could point at the PS2's marketshare being less than the PS1's. Does that mean Sony is going to go down and bomb out next generation, no of course not.

What does it mean, well if you look at all the numbers, it shows Sony decreasing in marketshare but not decreasing in total units sold over the 5 years. In other words, Sony has their customers, and for the most part they are locked in. Sony is not likely to lose those customers next generation (just like they didn't this generation). MS, on the other hand, was grabbing the new market that added this past generation.

Damnit
05-13-2005, 22:52
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to predict that Xbox360 will be beaten once again next-gen. If siren admitted it , its because he knows how much strong the Playstation brand is. M$ is only here to stay meaning, even if it takes loss of 100$/xbox. Its here to stay even if its dedicated fanbase says its another loss. But beware before you assume they are staying in the game like Nintendo would be sheer mistake. Nintendo got respect! M$ gotta be something to even reach Nintendo's feet to get that respect. Sony made its respect with PSone and so far noone can topple it as it seems.

straightballin
05-13-2005, 22:52
Yea microsoft took away some market share from sony thats why sony sold less ps2s the ps's. (Althought the ps2 sale figrues can go up and the ps was out longer)

siren
05-13-2005, 22:55
Actually, Sony hasn't sold less PS2's than PS ones. They just haven't increased sales either comparitively.

MS is got a lot of it's marketshare this generation from PC converts. Consumers who previously only gamed (or mostly gamed) on PC came over to the Xbox.

Makaveli_786
05-13-2005, 22:58
A lot of people say Sony gained 75% marketshare with 100 million PS1's sold but if you look at it the PS1 took 10 years to sell 100 million PS1's, in 4 years the PS2 has sold 85 million or so, if it carries on for ten years at this rate it could have totalled 200 million sales, if they total 200 million sales and then you compare the figures the Playstation brand actually gained marketshare signifnicantly.

Smily0012
05-13-2005, 22:59
Yeah infact sony's fan base just stayed around from the first one. they aprroximately sold about 90million ps one's and then again about ps2's.

mckmas8808
05-13-2005, 23:19
lot of people say Sony gained 75% marketshare with 100 million PS1's sold but if you look at it the PS1 took 10 years to sell 100 million PS1's, in 4 years the PS2 has sold 85 million or so

Perfectly put Mak. Siren be honest you know that the PS2 will surpass the PSone in sales right? What if the PS3 can do the same as the PS2 did against the PSone. What if in four years the PS3 sales 100 million consoles compared to 85 million PS2s in its same time span?

Impressive right.

don_milz
01-28-2007, 19:42
Hi all,

I've scribbled down some of the tips I've been given over the years to write effectively for the web (plus some general writing advice).

Have a look at the doc here - http://www.psu.com/kieran/PSU_Writing_Top_Tips.doc - and let me know what you think.

I hope it helps.

Jase

PS. If someone could make this sticky, I'd appreciate it (now there's somethin I never thought I'd say!).

RpgBoy
01-28-2007, 20:18
Great article there Jason! I have read it now, very good to read those top tips!

I really like your "Write in your native English" and "Know your audience" topics!

Thanks for the great tips :)

Seb
01-29-2007, 12:48
Yep excellent article Jase! :wink: