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Metal_Gear_Solid
12-02-2008, 20:43
no price cut for ps3 is really hurting sony now, MS price cut on 360 made a huge leap on the ps3 again.
its sad that ps3 owners are not buying exclusive games for ps3 or supporting MP games, while gears2 sold 3.1 mil to-date and still counting, R2 just broke the 500k mark, 360 exclusives are breaking a million easily. with the black friday sales, 360 selling 3 to 1 according to a few articles, meaning ps3 losing grounds until next year. if this goes on, more exclusives for the 360 and alot more back stabing from devs like 2007.
the ps3 was close at the start of 2008 with only a 5 million difference, ps3 15m and 360 20m, now by my prediction, its going to be: ps3 19m and 360 28m or more. sony should of gave the ps3 a price cut, or cheap bundles. 360 only costing 199.99, plus 19.99 for a 20gb HDD, its a pretty good deal against a 399 40gb ps3. sony needs to kick up a notch or they will lose this gen and the playstation brand.
Assassin3
12-02-2008, 20:45
The current economic status isnt helping really as well, but thats effecting almost everything
no price cut for ps3 is really hurting sony now, MS price cut on 360 made a huge leap on the ps3 again.
its sad that ps3 owners are not buying exclusive games for ps3 or supporting MP games, while gears2 sold 3.1 mil to-date and still counting, R2 just broke the 500k mark, 360 exclusives are breaking a million easily. with the black friday sales, 360 selling 3 to 1 according to a few articles, meaning ps3 losing grounds until next year. if this goes on, more exclusives for the 360 and alot more back stabing from devs like 2007.
the ps3 was close at the start of 2008 with only a 5 million difference, ps3 15m and 360 20m, now by my prediction, its going to be: ps3 19m and 360 28m or more. sony should of gave the ps3 a price cut, or cheap bundles. 360 only costing 199.99, plus 19.99 for a 20gb HDD, its a pretty good deal against a 399 40gb ps3. sony needs to kick up a notch or they will lose this gen and the playstation brand.
No they won't. Everything else I agree with though.
You shouldn't have the illusion that your strategy that you made up in a minute is better then Sony's. It's good that they are doing there own thing instead of panic and pricedropping to 200 just because the competition is already at that price. There will be a time in the ps3 life cycle when it will be around current 360 price.
There will be a time in the ps3 life cycle when it will be around current 360 price.
and at that time what will the 360 cost? $100? $50 ???
edward_moffet
12-02-2008, 21:19
who the heck cares??? god im tired of these freaking doom and gloom thread. We have a massive exclusive lineup, an awesome online service, great features, and a reliable console. Just because a mcdonalds cheeseburger sells more than a steak doesn't mean it's better (i'll stop saying it when people get it through their freaking head). you people are never satisfied, sony obviously isn't worried about sales do you not think that they know a 200 dollar console is going to sell more than a 400 dollar console? ps3 is selling just fine just because 360 is selling more doesn't mean ps3 is doing bad, stop worrying about freaking system sales and play your dam games.
godofspeed
12-02-2008, 21:21
and at that time what will the 360 cost? $100? $50 ???
You seriously think that pricing will happen anytime soon? Even the PS2 is still selling at $99 now. The cheapest the 360 can go would be $150 IMO, they are already not earning much from the 360.
And why you guys should even care about the PS3 sales? Just forget about it and enjoy the games. If Sony really want to win this console war, they will do something about it.
And talking about sales numbers, the PS3 is catching up real fast as well. Plus look how much the PSN has improved since day 1? Look how the PS3 improved since day 1? They will start to improve, and when people start to notice, they will purchase a PS3 for sure. I am sure lots of people are still stuck with the PS2, waiting for the correct time to upgrade to a PS3.
Games like GOWIII, FFXIII and GT5 will make people get a PS3. 2009 will be a great year for PS3 owners(I didn't say the year of the PS3 ;)), no doubt about it. :D
clean515
12-02-2008, 21:21
and at that time what will the 360 cost? $100? $50 ???
They will give them out free and earning on live and the games. :dunce
Booneabal
12-02-2008, 21:26
Do you need some cheese with the whine? We have great games now & on the horizon, why do you care if other people are missing out? Relax, play.
terminator12259
12-02-2008, 21:28
do you guys realize that the ps3 has a lot more standard than the cheap 360. free online bigger hdd that is easliy upgradable, hdmi standard, and is still one of the best bluray players on the market. so all those people can have fun getting rrod with the cheap, unreliable 360's
electricmine
12-02-2008, 21:29
You know, maybe that guy with the post about PS3 fans not being grateful is right after all.
1. We complained the PS3 had no games: We got a crapload of games this year. This was truly the year of the PS3 in terms of software.
2. We complained about PSN not having this and not having that: And yet we got some amazing games like Wipeout HD, Stardust, and many others.
And another thing: You do not work for Sony. Stop worrying about them. They're running at their own pace. They don't have to beat the 360 to be profitable. As long as they sell at a comfortable number where we'll see another console, that's what matters.
I'm sick of this console war already. About time we enjoy some damn games and let things run their course.
anyway i'm not on that side of the fence, I love my ps3, i was merely pointing out the flaw in the argument that 'someday the ps3 will cost $200'.
anyway you guys have your wars... i've found that arguing with 360 owners is a complete waste of time, it's like trying to argue the mac or linux over a windows computer, people just don't listen.
Amen. Let's just enjoy the games.
But be prepared for any 360 loyalist to come in here with links claiming that Microsoft are making profits for each 360 sold. :razz:
First - for the record, i am a HUGE ps3 fan, i love my ps3, do not own a 360 and do not intend to. I purchased my 60gb two weeks after launch and have never been happier and have had no regrets.
You seriously think that pricing will happen anytime soon? Even the PS2 is still selling at $99 now. The cheapest the 360 can go would be $150 IMO, they are already not earning much from the 360.
second - Microsoft is already losing money on every 360 sale, how much they're losing will go down. Also, Microsoft has deep enough pockets that I'm imagining their vision is a 20-30 year vision, not a ten year plan. They've stated that the first xbox was jsut a test to see what it took to get in the market, and if you think microsoft will EVER let the ps3 price get as low as the 360, IMHO you are mistaken.
Microsoft is a corporation which chooses its enemies and sticks with them, but will also get in bed with them if it helps MS, they're willing to do ANYTHING to make money. Halo was originally developed by Bungie exclusively for the mac, what did Microsoft do to prevent this? purchase bungie.....
I"m not on their side, and i'm not arguing 'doom and gloom' and i'm not ragging on my ps3, i'm only acknowledging a legitimate issue with the fact that Microsoft is a company willing to do anything to make money, and if that involves losing a meesley 100 dollars per console, in order to prevent console sales for a competitor to keep the separation in this generation of a 'console race' instead of letting them close the gap... i'm positive they will:
They will give them out free and earning on live and the games. :dunce
anyway i'm not on that side of the fence, I love my ps3, i was merely pointing out the flaw in the argument that 'someday the ps3 will cost $200'.
anyway you guys have your wars... i've found that arguing with 360 owners is a complete waste of time, it's like trying to argue the mac or linux over a windows computer, people just don't listen.
edward_moffet
12-02-2008, 21:33
honestly i've about had it with the console war BS. Back in the day it made sense because gaming wasn't near as widespread (until ps2) so they were really fighting for market share and a few million made a difference because it didn't used to be such a big market NOW just about everyone plays games to some degree every company can have a piece of the pie sort of speak. NONE of the system manufacturers are doing BAD in fact they are all doing very very well.
Like i said before just shut up and play your freaking games your ps3 isn't all of a sudden going to not be supported it already has a big enough install base to attract devs and as for exclusives MS doesn't have enough money to pay devs for exclusives when they take such a big hit from repairs for the RROD and they don't make alot of profit off of the console sales and they don't make enough games in house to make money that way when DLC costs 50 million alone think about how much a whole game would cost.
Seriously just stop with this doom and gloom BS.
and at that time what will the 360 cost? $100? $50 ???
Even if they give it away for free to annoy Sony, it won't change the ps3 demand at certain price points. Hey maybe at that point they will sell more at 200 then MS! Oh dear...
Anyways let's all panic.
godofspeed
12-02-2008, 21:36
second - Microsoft is already losing money on every 360 sale, how much they're losing will go down. Also, Microsoft has deep enough pockets that I'm imagining their vision is a 20-30 year vision, not a ten year plan. They've stated that the first xbox was jsut a test to see what it took to get in the market, and if you think microsoft will EVER let the ps3 price get as low as the 360, IMHO you are mistaken.
Microsoft is a corporation which chooses its enemies and sticks with them, but will also get in bed with them if it helps MS, they're willing to do ANYTHING to make money. Halo was originally developed by Bungie exclusively for the mac, what did Microsoft do to prevent this? purchase bungie.....
I"m not on their side, and i'm not arguing 'doom and gloom' and i'm not ragging on my ps3, i'm only acknowledging a legitimate issue with the fact that Microsoft is a company willing to do anything to make money, and if that involves losing a meesley 100 dollars per console, in order to prevent console sales for a competitor to keep the separation in this generation of a 'console race' instead of letting them close the gap... i'm positive they will:
Microsoft won't allow Sony to let it's price to be as low as their console? How the hell would you know Sony won't? O.O
And, i believe MS just wants the market share, they want to have a piece in everything, not just a company that just wants to make money(which company doesn't?). But they should jolly well know they can't have everything, they believe they can just swing their money around in the gaming business and win? It's not that easy ;)
clean515
12-02-2008, 21:38
anyway i'm not on that side of the fence, I love my ps3, i was merely pointing out the flaw in the argument that 'someday the ps3 will cost $200'.
anyway you guys have your wars... i've found that arguing with 360 owners is a complete waste of time, it's like trying to argue the mac or linux over a windows computer, people just don't listen.
Wasnt trying to start any wars, just failed at being funny. ;)
FizzyFlakes
12-02-2008, 21:39
I don't think Sony is going to "lose thier playstation brand". Simply because Sony is more gets so much money from thier other two systems as well (the PS2 and the
PSP). Thier company also produces stuff like TVs, electronics and stuff like that. So there probably will be a Playstation 4.
SharkOutofWater
12-02-2008, 21:43
do you guys realize that the ps3 has a lot more standard than the cheap 360. free online bigger hdd that is easliy upgradable, hdmi standard, and is still one of the best bluray players on the market. so all those people can have fun getting rrod with the cheap, unreliable 360's
I love these posts. While we understand what they mean, they have to do it in a strickly fanboy style that makes nobody want to listen to them especially when a few of the things they list arnt even true, and they left out points that would have better got their point across.
Anyways, seriously, both consoles are great, but if I was a parent going into this fall, and I was looking at gaming consoles not knowing much about them (buying for my kid) I would choose the 360. The bundles in the stores right now (around my area anyways) are better, include more games, and are cheaper.
For two systems that are basically the same (oh noez, what did I just say, I r dead now 4 saying such things), it is a no brainer to alot of the parents out there.
Now if I was educated in what each one had to offer, and where hidden expenses go, it would still be a hard choice, but at least the PS3 stands up fairly well (if they have the money), however, the OP while being another blatent gloom and doom thread poster, does have a point that there is no way the PS3 will outsell the 360 this holiday season worldwide (maybe in a specific region, but not total). This is coming from a person who owns both consoles, the PS3 since launch, and plays both fairly regularly.
Dropping the price before they're ready means they loose more money than they gain by waiting for the market to stabilize before dropping. the 36* price drop is always a panic move. they see their margins slipping so they drop their price into the basement to avoid loosing ground regardless of their profits. it's the same thing they did last gen the only difference is they have a larger install base with should also automatically explain the higher attach rate with games like gears2. Of course meanwhile the Wii murders the 36* in numbers even being more expensive despite the fact that the games dont sell.
The people buying brand-x are used to the multiplayer aspects of live and feel a need to exploit them which means multiplayer games like Halo and Gears will see huge numbers. Resistance 2 is coming out during a period where 1. there are a LOT of other games out and 2. the economy makes it hard to justify buying all of them at the same time. I will admit that Sony's still doing a poor job of marketing though because there've been only a single push for Resistance 2 where the competition in Gears is built on a much higher level of buzz from the first game's visibility and the more frequent commercial blitz for the second game.
In an average day you'll see 5 commercials with the X brand on it to 1 PS3 branded commercial. Sony spends their money pushing things like WWE wrestling games and hosting BMX stunt shows (which might have hit their demographics 5 years ago but it's not cutting it so much today), They're being too specific rather than putting their mark out more frequently during things like action shows on network TV or saturday morning cartoons. What they NEED is a super bowl blitz, people are just not being exposed to the playstation vision enough so they need something high profile.
Wasnt trying to start any wars, just failed at being funny. :wink:
I only threw that in there because i found it funny, and correct at the same time. I think that microsoft would be perfectly willing to do this to protect market share/profits.
i believe MS just wants the market share, they want to have a piece in everything
^^
I'd agree with this.
just swing their money around in the gaming business and win? It's not that easy :wink:
seems to be kind of effective so far.. purchase limited exclusives, protect exclusives, and purchase competing companies..... ?? not saying i agree.. just saying, they really hopped in this market with a vengence for a company that never made gaming consoles until a few years ago...
La_Resistance
12-02-2008, 21:50
who the heck cares??? god im tired of these freaking doom and gloom thread. We have a massive exclusive lineup, an awesome online service, great features, and a reliable console. Just because a mcdonalds cheeseburger sells more than a steak doesn't mean it's better (i'll stop saying it when people get it through their freaking head). you people are never satisfied, sony obviously isn't worried about sales do you not think that they know a 200 dollar console is going to sell more than a 400 dollar console? ps3 is selling just fine just because 360 is selling more doesn't mean ps3 is doing bad, stop worrying about freaking system sales and play your dam games.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Masked Maniac
12-02-2008, 21:52
Sure 360 may be winning in sales, but it is just a matter of time before the PS3 catches up. The only reason it has picked up is a price cut, not because it is doing anythig truly amazing. Now that the 360 is as low as it can go, they will not be able to have any huge leaps, where the PS3 still has room to price cut. Sony will catch up, dont worrr.
who the heck cares??? god im tired of these freaking doom and gloom thread. We have a massive exclusive lineup, an awesome online service, great features, and a reliable console. Just because a mcdonalds cheeseburger sells more than a steak doesn't mean it's better (i'll stop saying it when people get it through their freaking head). you people are never satisfied, sony obviously isn't worried about sales do you not think that they know a 200 dollar console is going to sell more than a 400 dollar console? ps3 is selling just fine just because 360 is selling more doesn't mean ps3 is doing bad, stop worrying about freaking system sales and play your dam games.
Thank you thank you thank you, I'm glad someone said something about that when did gamers ever care about sells. Just have fun with what you have sounds like people need medication for video games now :shock:. Whats up with that i love the PS3 its the best system out there everything gamers want Sony gives.
Another thing that's funny is how people forget how much the system can do and PSN is amazing free and catching up with Xbox Lag i mean Live. It's a Ok service but to pay for service and get lag with Gears 2 is bad belive me i have it and have a right to to complain since i pay $50 a year. So shut up play games best advice to give to everyone. Not A Fanboy Just A Gamer 8).
MartiniMan
12-02-2008, 21:53
I think the fans are the only ones creating a stir. Well that, and MS with their press releases. Sony's sales were up for the PS3 90% over last year's "black friday." They have stated on record that they are happy with their first party titles (including the sales - shock!). While I'm sure they are watching marketshare closely, they don't seem to be much worried about it. So then, why should we?
Great system? check!
Great games? check!
Great exclusives? check!
Games well into 2010? check!
Third party support? check!
Okay then. I'm good. All that's left to do is continue playing my PS3 games that I have some serious backlog issues with.
DangerousMali
12-02-2008, 21:55
im moving the thread and the violins to the Ps3 discussion boards
Oh well, who cares. Even if the PS3 were to come in dead last, doesn't mean it didn't have a good run. Sales =/= Profit. Money is all that matters, so even if Sony doesn't get as much sales, doesn't mean they lose. And as long as they are not too far behind, devs will still flock to the system.
no price cut for ps3 is really hurting sony now, MS price cut on 360 made a huge leap on the ps3 again.
its sad that ps3 owners are not buying exclusive games for ps3 or supporting MP games, while gears2 sold 3.1 mil to-date and still counting, R2 just broke the 500k mark, 360 exclusives are breaking a million easily. with the black friday sales, 360 selling 3 to 1 according to a few articles, meaning ps3 losing grounds until next year. if this goes on, more exclusives for the 360 and alot more back stabing from devs like 2007.
the ps3 was close at the start of 2008 with only a 5 million difference, ps3 15m and 360 20m, now by my prediction, its going to be: ps3 19m and 360 28m or more. sony should of gave the ps3 a price cut, or cheap bundles. 360 only costing 199.99, plus 19.99 for a 20gb HDD, its a pretty good deal against a 399 40gb ps3. sony needs to kick up a notch or they will lose this gen and the playstation brand.
It would be rather hard for Sony to drop the ps3's price right now, the dollar is weakening against the Yen. Every dollar they get is is worth less yen then it was a year or two ago.... particularly tough when Sony is mainly an export company!
Airmaxx23
12-02-2008, 22:13
I honestly think with the economy the way it currently is the 360 will outsell the PS3 by a lot this holiday season. Parents will be/are looking for the least expensive way to get their kids into a next-gen system and with the 360 starting at $199 Microsoft will be selling a ton of consoles.
do you guys realize that the ps3 has a lot more standard than the cheap 360. free online bigger hdd that is easliy upgradable, hdmi standard, and is still one of the best bluray players on the market. so all those people can have fun getting rrod with the cheap, unreliable 360's
This is a shining example of a post that serves no purpose, incites flamewars, and in general is mean in nature.
This is the type of post we do NOT need on PS3Forums. Reported.
On topic -
Obviously Sony, does not care about being #1 on the charts. They are getting their money, producing games, and developing a nice console with ever expanding features. It does not matter if they are #1 on sales, or #3, they are here to stay. Why these doom and gloom threads keep popping up is out of my comprehension.
ironflag55555
12-02-2008, 22:18
i hate reading articles like this. let sony worry about there own problems live your own life, obviously that not a concern for them at the moment that they still havent give the ps3 a price cut, its not like your making for sony ps3!
Odium_Generis_Humani
12-02-2008, 22:23
They can't afford a price cut. Otherwise, it'd be done already. They can't afford it because of all the dumb mistakes they made reading the public. Get over it.
Why do you or any other care? Are you afraid Sony will lose all thirdparty support? Well they don't really have any more exclusives to lose and they'r putting their money in the firstparty studios, wich they should.
If you want all the thirdparty games then maybe you should get a 360 (unless you don't already have one) since MS are willing to throw money left and right to get (timed)exclusive games from thirdpartys.
So far except MGS4, no other thirdparty game have come close to games like Uncharted. I don't care what Sony does, their firstparty games have so far been better than the thirdparty games. As long as they keep it that way, Sony can raise the price to 800$ for all I care.
This is of course IMO!
xBSGeorge
12-02-2008, 22:30
I honestly think with the economy the way it currently is the 360 will outsell the PS3 by a lot this holiday season. Parents will be/are looking for the least expensive way to get their kids into a next-gen system and with the 360 starting at $199 Microsoft will be selling a ton of consoles.
Yes the 360 will outsell the PS3, we all know that. We also all know that the reason its outselling the PS3 is nothing more then the price tag. Why do we know this? We know this because for the rest of the year in 2008 the PS3 outsold the 360. The PS3 sold more at a higher price. I get all the arguments that the 360 is winning and blah blah, but lets face it. The PS3 is more then holding its own at double the price. Sony doesn't need to win Holiday 2008 to be successful. They have already made huge strides this year and only a 360 price cut kept the MS machine equal to the success of the PS3 thus far.
Will the 360 win the holiday sales? No doubt in my mind. I had my doubts it would work, but its proving that they made the right choice. I only hope for MS that they clobber PS3 by millions. If they don't I think Sony will be more then happy with their decisions and really have the ball in their court. Of course that's just my opinion and obviously more than a few people here don't agree with.
YoungMullah88
12-02-2008, 22:38
damn this thread came earlier than expected(just 2 days in already), we always get one of these threads every month....carry on
Soldier 95B
12-02-2008, 22:41
Nobody here should care who is on top of the charts. You should just play the games and enjoy them. In the end, which ever console comes out on top, has no bearing on your day to day life.
Enjoy your console of choice and play it.
Bitbydeath
12-02-2008, 22:46
As said everytime one of these threads pop-up.
Sony have beat what they were hoping to sell for the year like 2 months ago. Sony may not be beating others but they are sitting quite comfortably in the money zone.
Soldier 95B
12-02-2008, 22:48
As said everytime one of these threads pop-up.
Sony have beat what they were hoping to sell for the year like 2 months ago. Sony may not be beating others but they are sitting quite comfortably in the money zone.
Exactly. I believe that all three companies have exceeded their expectations. I think that is good for everyone, especially gamers. The better sales that consoles have, the more gaming support we will get from developers.
TheRocker
12-02-2008, 22:58
its sad that ps3 owners are not buying exclusive games for ps3 or supporting MP games,.
Seem MP studios will disagree with you on that one. PS3 is making them more money than the 360.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/10/26/analysis-ps3-selling-more-games-than-xbox-360-with-smaller-install-base/
The PS3 is rapidly becoming the bread-winner for many of the third party publishers. We wrote a story a few months ago where according to EA’s financial report the PS3 was the clear bread-winner over the Xbox 360 and the Wii. Now it seems that Konami, Namco Bandai and Ubisoft have joined the ranks of EA where the PS3 console is bringing in more money than the Xbox 360.
EA
In our previous story, we talked about how the PS3 is EA’s new bread-winner in terms of bringing home the bacon. According to EA’s previous financial statement, the PS3 accounted for about 17% of total revenue in comparison to the Xbox 360’s 10%. That is quite significant when considering that EA is the largest third party video game publisher in the world.
Namco Bandai
Namco Bandai is the largest third party publisher in Japan. According to the publisher’s recent financial statement, the PS3 currently moved approximately 57% more software than it’s direct competitor, the Xbox 360. Namco Bandai is sort of the EA of Japan, considering the amount of revenue it generates from software.
Konami
Konami is one of the top three publishers in Japan in terms of revenue. With the recent release of Metal Gear Solid 4, it is not all that surprising that the PS3 would have a larger piece of the pie. However, according to Konami’s recent financial statements, the PS3 accounted for a whopping 57.3% of the sales this past quarter, while the Xbox 360 accounted for only 2.6%. This changed from last year, when the Xbox 360 brought in more sales compared to the PS3.
UbiSoft
UbiSoft is considered to be one of the top three publishers in all of Europe. According to UbiSoft’s half year financial report (6 months 2008/09), the PS3 accounted for about 20% of the software sales compared to the Xbox 360’s 14%. Considering UbiSoft’s presence in Europe, this is quite a significant turn of event.
Wrap-up
It’s mind blowing that not only is the PS3 competing toe-to-toe with the Xbox 360, it is out performing the later in many of the instances. Considering that the Xbox 360 has a larger install base by 5 million, it looks like the PS3 is performing more efficiently in terms of sales for third party publishers.
Since 2005, when the Xbox 360 first launched with no competition, it seems that the PS3 has been steadily climbing in terms of the software sales. This pretty much means that the PS3 has been taking more and more potential Xbox 360 sales as time goes by. The future for the PS3 looks bright and healthy, however if the current trend continues the Xbox 360 might find itself struggling to compete in the market.
In short, take whatever Microsoft say, with a pinch of salt. Does ANYONE really believe they have the data back from Black Friday to really know that 360 outsold PS3 3:1, or do you think they made it up, just to get a headline....
Soldier 95B
12-02-2008, 23:00
Since when were 3.1 million GOW2 copies sold? And when did they announce 500k for R2? I have never seen any such announcements for either.
In short, take whatever Microsoft say, with a pinch of salt. Does ANYONE really believe they have the data back from Black Friday to really know that 360 outsold PS3 3:1, or do you think they made it up, just to get a headline....
We have no doubt that Sony and MS fabricate numbers in their favor every time they open their mouth. However, they are at the mercy of companies like NPD releasing stats. And if those stats don't jive with NPD, etc., we know sh@t will hit the fan.
Dude. If SONY cuts the prices, they will be out of business. They are losing money for every unit made. So just let them go ahead on their own plan. M$ can afford to cut down the price cuts its been out longer and doesn't cast as much to manufacture.
YoungMullah88
12-02-2008, 23:45
Dude. If SONY cuts the prices, they will be out of business. They are losing money for every unit made. So just let them go ahead on their own plan. M$ can afford to cut down the price cuts its been out longer and doesn't cast as much to manufacture.
out of topic: tictac do you play socom? is your psn id tikc_tokc?
Vampire_Saviour
12-02-2008, 23:46
Microsoft won't allow Sony to let it's price to be as low as their console? How the hell would you know Sony won't? O.O
And, i believe MS just wants the market share, they want to have a piece in everything, not just a company that just wants to make money(which company doesn't?). But they should jolly well know they can't have everything, they believe they can just swing their money around in the gaming business and win? It's not that easy ;)
What MS wants to do is have their status in the console market be exactly like their status when it comes to PC gaming.
Sony's a business at the end of the day, they need to please shareholders they need to make profits, they need to report success per division they have.
Dropping the price right now will result in failure for all 3 objectives mentioned above. get over it, the price won't fall anytime soon imo, but why are you so worried? Go buy 200k units this month if it bothers you so much.
As long as:
A) The PS3 has enough market share for publishers to want to make games on the PS3
and
B) PS3 exclusives don't become multiplat at the expense of designing a game that doesn't play to the PS3s strengths...
...I really don't care all that much. I do find it very interesting, and love playing with numbers and stats, but it's nothing to get hot and bothered about. We all know that the PS3 at a $200 price point would be selling amazingly well, and that the PS3 at $400 and $500 is selling actually quite well considering. The 360 just wasn't moving as much at the $100 cheaper price point before the PC, so it obviously comes down to price. Both are consoles people want to own. But it is interesting that as many people were buying a cheaper console than PS3 owners who were willing to spend a bit more before this PC. If you look at it that way, the PS3 really does have a bright future indeed. That is unless MS converts the 100M or so remaining PS2 owners. ;)
PS3 has the games I want. End of, why all this "I know what Sony should and shouldn't do"? The console and the company is fine and releasing triple AAA's like they should have, Firmware in 2008 has been magnificent, it can't get any better than this.
I'm enjoying my games, why aren't you guys doing the same as me? I thought you were called gamers. This site should be used to talk about games, not about sales.
What MS wants to do is have their status in the console market be exactly like their status when it comes to PC gaming.
I'm not exactly sure how far MS want to go in the console market realm but for their very own insider reasons they are here to stay meantime. MS have gone on record in early 2006 if memory serves correct to say they will be back even if the X360 fails, and considering it's doing itself well after 3 years in 2nd position, I can only assume they'll be back with the Nextbox and so on as long as this fits their agenda.
The PS3 is two years old. At the PS3s year and a half mark, Sony made the PS3 available at 100.00 cheaper than it was at launch when they released the 40gigs. As a comparison, what were the prices of the Wii and Xbox360 at their 2 year marks, let alone their year and a half marks? I know for a fact the Xbox360 and Wii both were not 100.00 cheaper than their launch prices because the Wii has yet to reach that threshold and the Xbox360 just reached it in September08. Fact of the matter is, by comparison, price drop for price drop Sony is beating the competition. The problem is Sony put too much in the PS3 to make it available at what you can get a Wii or Xbox360 for, point blank. But at the current rate of PS3 price drops, one can assume there may be a version of the PS3 available for 200.00 cheaper than its original launch price when it nears its 3 year mark.
*Double post*
Forum on the brink again?
I'm not exactly sure how far MS want to go in the console market realm but for their very own insider reasons they are here to stay meantime. MS have gone on record in early 2006 if memory serves correct to say they will be back even if the X360 fails, and considering it's doing itself well after 3 years in 2nd position, I can only assume they'll be back with the Nextbox and so on as long as this fits their agenda.
To be quite honest. Maybe because I don't have a 360 or whatnot. I don't seem to understand what Microsoft's motives are for being in this industry. I can't think of another word but monopoly (bad i know :???:).
To be quite honest. Maybe because I don't have a 360 or whatnot. I don't seem to understand what Microsoft's motives are for being in this industry. I can't think of another word but monopoly (bad i know :???:).
It may be for a monopoly, a one console living room ideology. I mean I'm not sure but at the same time wouldn't all these corporation want to rake in all profits and have no real competition?
Whether MS has good or bad intentions really concerns me not, what concerns me is if they attain success this gen will it then cause them to parade in arrogance and not give us what we want? (i.e: games, services, flexibility).
For me it's not about brand it's about me really. Whoever gives me what I want gets my attention and support. There's a lot of love to give and receive this generation, honestly imo the market is big enough for all 3 to prosper.
To be quite honest. Maybe because I don't have a 360 or whatnot. I don't seem to understand what Microsoft's motives are for being in this industry. I can't think of another word but monopoly (bad i know :???:).
Are you serious? Microsoft wanting to be in the video game industry has nothing to do with monopoly, a term many seem to synonymously associate with Microsoft. A true example of a monopoly would be the oil cartel, something the world needs but cannot do without today is oil. In the past fifteen years, the video gaming industry has been the fastest growing form of entertainment in the world. If you have the resources to get in on something that is growing at the rate the video game industry is, you most definitely should. You could also look at balance as another motive. It could be Microsoft doesn't want Sony to have a hold on video gaming like it had on PC computing. The console market has always had some sort of "big 3" console makers that would compete with each other. In the past we have had; Atari, Coleco Industries and Mattel. Sega, Nintendo, NEC. Sega, Sony, Nintendo. Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft.
PsychoMantis
12-03-2008, 01:09
Like many posters on here who actually pick apart and "worry" about Sony's future and care about exclusives. I personally don't, I bought the system and play the games that I like and to me thats all that matters.
Like many posters on here who actually pick apart and "worry" about Sony's future and care about exclusives. I personally don't, I bought the system and play the games that I like and to me thats all that matters.
Amen to that, too many people on here worry about all the little things, especially as if they ALL own stock within the company. You play games for the fun of it, so play your games, enjoy the features and enough with the breaking down of "omgwtfbbq Sony is screwing up" crap.
toasty_T
12-03-2008, 07:37
I know for a fact that Sony has a greater level of interest in the performance of PS3 sales worldwide. They more than any one doesn't want the PS3 to go belly up. This isn't the Nintendo Gamecube, Sony isn't stupid. If they really feel the need to drop the price then they will. If you're still losing sleep over the oh so dreadful performance of the PS3, put your money where your mouth is and go buy some games.
When did all these PS3 fans become business analysts?
Some of you may know that I was an Xbox freak. I lived the damn console. But in June I received my third rrod and sold everything MS related in disgust. I bought my MGS4 PS3 pack and was extremely impressed. While I cringe when a mate invites me around for Gears 2 coop and I get that familiar feeling all over again, I have been more impressed with the PS3 than its competitors due to the feeling of quality I get from Sony.
Simple facts guys:
(i) Sony only needs to concern themselves with selling enough to maintain positive third party support. As long as AAA third party releases also release on the PS3, there is NO concern. The critical part is maintaining enough install base to warrant dual system support. As the PS3 looks to hit 20mill this year, that is a sizeable base from which to sell software. So, BUY THE GAMES people!
(ii) Sony does not need a price cut this year. X360 would beat it this holiday even with a $100 price cut as price seems to be the leading driver of purchase this year. The Arcade, as tarded as it is, will sell huge. Save the price cut for an environment that they can profit from. MS have won a battle but not the war. Winning second place in year 2 of the war, does not guarantee victory in year 6 when the gen ends.
(iii) As long as Sony looks to release 8 good quality first/second party games each year, it is extremely healthy.
Enjoy your box. Buy and play the games. The doom and gloomers will shout from the rooftops that the PS3 is dead. I've seen enough wars to know that 2009 it starts all over again. This time, the black box is angry....
HalfOfZero
12-03-2008, 12:48
I feel so so so sorry for all you tubes out there that look at graphs, anaylize charts and count the figures...
How on this freakin earth do you know that these numbers are ever credible? Just because they're published from some firm that holds it's head up prestigiously at countin charts?
Pah. It's sad. Go play yer games, stop bloody worryin.
HalfOfZero
12-03-2008, 12:53
Some of you may know that I was an Xbox freak. I lived the damn console. But in June I received my third rrod and sold everything MS related in disgust. I bought my MGS4 PS3 pack and was extremely impressed. While I cringe when a mate invites me around for Gears 2 coop and I get that familiar feeling all over again, I have been more impressed with the PS3 than its competitors due to the feeling of quality I get from Sony.
Simple facts guys:
(i) Sony only needs to concern themselves with selling enough to maintain positive third party support. As long as AAA third party releases also release on the PS3, there is NO concern. The critical part is maintaining enough install base to warrant dual system support. As the PS3 looks to hit 20mill this year, that is a sizeable base from which to sell software. So, BUY THE GAMES people!
(ii) Sony does not need a price cut this year. X360 would beat it this holiday even with a $100 price cut as price seems to be the leading driver of purchase this year. The Arcade, as tarded as it is, will sell huge. Save the price cut for an environment that they can profit from. MS have won a battle but not the war. Winning second place in year 2 of the war, does not guarantee victory in year 6 when the gen ends.
(iii) As long as Sony looks to release 8 good quality first/second party games each year, it is extremely healthy.
Enjoy your box. Buy and play the games. The doom and gloomers will shout from the rooftops that the PS3 is dead. I've seen enough wars to know that 2009 it starts all over again. This time, the black box is angry....
I salute you, good Sir!!
You nailed it. Sony don't have to sell a bizziliione units, they just have to work on becoming popular enough and accessable enough to hold third parties to them with no concerns! Loyality over untrue figures my good people.
again i ask if ps3 is losing grounds in the game wars who is winning PS3 this year has come out with the best games of the next gen and thats my opinion but im sure most ppl agree with me the only thing sony needs to do is advertise more get more games advertised on PS3 most commercial u see now are either for Wii or 360 and thats not good SONY ADVERTISE UR GAMES PEOPLE CANT GUESS WAT UR DOING!!!!
electricmine
12-03-2008, 13:48
Some of you may know that I was an Xbox freak. I lived the damn console. But in June I received my third rrod and sold everything MS related in disgust. I bought my MGS4 PS3 pack and was extremely impressed. While I cringe when a mate invites me around for Gears 2 coop and I get that familiar feeling all over again, I have been more impressed with the PS3 than its competitors due to the feeling of quality I get from Sony.
Simple facts guys:
(i) Sony only needs to concern themselves with selling enough to maintain positive third party support. As long as AAA third party releases also release on the PS3, there is NO concern. The critical part is maintaining enough install base to warrant dual system support. As the PS3 looks to hit 20mill this year, that is a sizeable base from which to sell software. So, BUY THE GAMES people!
(ii) Sony does not need a price cut this year. X360 would beat it this holiday even with a $100 price cut as price seems to be the leading driver of purchase this year. The Arcade, as tarded as it is, will sell huge. Save the price cut for an environment that they can profit from. MS have won a battle but not the war. Winning second place in year 2 of the war, does not guarantee victory in year 6 when the gen ends.
(iii) As long as Sony looks to release 8 good quality first/second party games each year, it is extremely healthy.
Enjoy your box. Buy and play the games. The doom and gloomers will shout from the rooftops that the PS3 is dead. I've seen enough wars to know that 2009 it starts all over again. This time, the black box is angry....
Well said sir, well said.
I salute you.
sergeriver
12-03-2008, 13:56
Another "oh Sony what are you doing with the PS3" thread, lol. Enjoy your PS3, let Sony run their business.
This thread has worn out its welcome
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