View Full Version : Vote for PS3 NOW !!
Here's the URL to the SUNDAY SMACKDOWN on CNET.
Its the PS3 vs. the Xbox360 !
I just wanted the PS3 to win so i felt like posting this here :
Vote for PS3 , its so gonna rock the nex gen !!
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3000_7-6227319-1.html?tag=cnetfd.sd
Sony PS3 - 55.6%
Xbox 360 - 44.4%
I voted PS3, btw.
adamba4e
05-22-2005, 17:07
This seems like a close race. What would the world be like if The PS3 lost this generation.
Ill vote for ps3 also for the nintendo revolution
Epsilon-Zero
05-22-2005, 17:19
yah.
Sony PS3 55.9%
Xbox 360 44.1%
very close indeed. Could this be any indication of how the next console race will be?
adamba4e
05-22-2005, 17:23
Don't forget the Revolution, which is not there but could take some sales away from both the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3
This seems like a close race. What would the world be like if The PS3 lost this generation.
Then we can expect Billy-boy to snatch the crown from PS2.
And that, would be an ugly sight.
Chaotic_King
05-22-2005, 17:35
I..won't vote. Sony really disappointed me with the PS3. (Apart from the poor design of the Console/Controller)
adamba4e
05-22-2005, 17:36
It is scaring me how Xbox 360 is coming out first. and also the most powerful system has never won a console war. Also the rumored price will people buy it.
Chaotic_King
05-22-2005, 17:40
It is scaring me how Xbox 360 is coming out first. and also the most powerful system has never won a console war. Also the rumored price will people buy it.
It's not confirmed the PS3 is the most powerful console. There is a strong possibility that the Xbox360 will be. (Even Allard said it, numerous times.)
Sunday smackdown: Vote!
Sony PS3 56.2%
Xbox 360 43.8%
thats the latest, and chaotic stop going for what people tell you and find out the specs your self, even if the power of the PS3 wont woo you im sure the games will, how can anything sony have showen you dissapoint, especailly the killzone 2 video! please, enlighten me to your views as im kind getting a mixed signal.
well if allard says it
Yeah, Allard says it is, and then SONY release their official specs. People get all excited, and then Microsoft retaliate with an official repsponse full of twisted facts and statistics that make the PS3 sound insignificant in the next console race. This announcement had already been discussed, and locked sharpish: http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2250
The truth is, nobody knows which is the most powerful in reality, and we'll really only know when PS3 launches and the multiplatform games come out.
Looking at past brand loyalty, I believe that a lot of people will skip the 360, just like people skipped the SEGA Saturn and waited a few more months for the original PlayStation. When it comes down to it, the power of a console does not determine success or failure. What does, is marketing. SONY are experts at marketing their hardware, Microsoft are not. To their credit Microsoft are going for it and have a fair few more fans than they started out with, but I don't think SONY have anything to worry about - or SONY fans.
Me? I'll buy both, so I don't care! For me it's the games that matter, and both have franchises that I really like.
As for Nintendo? Well, at the moment, they are not even singing off the same hymn sheet!
adamba4e
05-22-2005, 18:36
Umm the link you posted is to a discussion which was locked because the information on it was wrong. A lot of people already know the Platstation 3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360.
Once again, we really have no idea how strong each console is. And if Microsoft did that information, of course they'll be more biased to themselves. It's just the way people's mind works.
Umm the link you posted is to a discussion which was locked because the information on it was wrong. A lot of people already know the Platstation 3 is more powerful than the Xbox 360.
Umm, the information posted in that thread was plagerised from another site - maybe not the exact one I'm about to show you, but the information is the same:
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html
It's 3:30 pm on Friday, May 20, the last day of E3. The fine PR folks from Microsoft, who invited us to their headquarters a week before E3 to show us their system, their specs, and the grand design behind their powerful new Xbox 360, have just sent us an urgent notice to update our specs with new information. Earlier in the day, we were sent a comparative analysis of the Xbox 360's power vs. the PlayStation 3's power.
We decided to put this Microsoft-provided information up undigested. Thus, enclosed is a Microsoft-made comparitive analysis. We have not altered, added, or tinkered with the data. We have not interpreted the specs. We have cut and pasted this information from the email into our site and formatted it. Make of it what you will, but be clear we know Microsoft has clearly slanted this info, and we're not endorsing it, just printing their version. There is a difference.
So as you can see, Microsoft provided that information. Clearly they are biased and have twisted things, but the information is not "wrong" - just shown in a different light that puts the 360 ahead of the PS3.
The two machines have totally different CPU and GPU architectures, so comparing one against the other in terms of pure numbers is pointless anyway. Besides, one important number is the FLOP. XBox 360 has 1 Teraflop, PS3 has 2 Teraflops...
Can you explain to me what a flop is -.- I mean I have a cetain idea but it's wrong in my mind.
FLOPS are Floating Point Operations per Second. One Teraflop = One trillion calculations per second (or one thousand billion!)
Is, as in what it does....I was thinking it acts similar to FPS, frames per sec.
How many calculations it can do per second. Per definition this means how more per second how faster for example you make a processor with 10 gigaflops do something that needs 20 billion operations this proccesor would take 2 seconds to do it. While a proccesor with only 5 gigaflops would take 4 seconds to do it.
Epsilon-Zero
05-22-2005, 19:59
FLOPS is not necessarly the deffinite how many calculations you can do a second. FLOPS only measures FLoating Point calculations but the truth is that there are also other different types of calculations.
Its been shown in a quite of number places that while the CELL is a Floating Point behemoth and it makes a compromise for this in its General Calculation area. General Calculations is where the xbox360's CPU has an advantage because it was built to handle general calculations with ease and is roughly 2.5x powerful than the Cell in this regard.
So both processors are very powerful, they just have different philosphies on how games should be ran and programmed for.
Which will be more powerful is really up to the devs.
Smily0012
05-22-2005, 20:06
Okey man in simple words its just how good a system can perform. The more flops you have per sec the more you see on the screen and the better the AI is. More or less it the graphics you see on your tv and all the other goodies in the game.
PS Gamer
05-22-2005, 20:34
Update:
PS3 - 57.0%
360 - 43.0%
The 360 fell a point.
Chaotic_King
05-22-2005, 21:08
well if allard says it
From what I hear, the facts show that the Xbox360's architect is more efficient with than the PS3's. The 'Xenos' is both a revolutionary GPU, as well as a monster, compared to the off the shelf GPU, the RSX. (Which, according to nVidia, by the time the PS3 is launched, won't be the most powerful GPU)
I voted for the X360. Microsoft nailed it this time. Great design for both the console and the controller, extremely powerful console which is likely to be the most powerful, as well as impressive features/services that are unlikely to be rivaled, and a strong game line-up. To me, Sony is 1 for 4.
(And this is coming from one of the biggest Sony fans around.)
From a stand point view, we as Sony fans have said this many times, regardless. "Graphics don't matter, it's the game" And now we are taking that into another degree "Graphics are everything, don't got it don't buy it" I am still for my own and if X360 is stronger, I don't care "Graphics don't matter, it's the game"
From what I hear, the facts show that the Xbox360's architect is more efficient with than the PS3's. The 'Xenos' is both a revolutionary GPU, as well as a monster, compared to the off the shelf GPU, the RSX. (Which, according to nVidia, by the time the PS3 is launched, won't be the most powerful GPU)
Almost borders on fanboy talk that! Supporting the 360 over PS3 does not require such un-proven justification you know! Yes, it's a powerful console with good services...like it for what it is, not for what it's not.
Both GPUs are based on technology that each company WILL implement in their future PC cards. If the PS3 GPU is just "off the shelf", maybe you can tell me where I can buy one, because I'd love one inside my PC!
Besides, if PS3 was coming out this year instead of the 360, you'd probably favour that instead! :wink:
Chaotic_King
05-22-2005, 21:58
From a stand point view, we as Sony fans have said this many times, regardless. "Graphics don't matter, it's the game" And now we are taking that into another degree "Graphics are everything, don't got it don't buy it" I am still for my own and if X360 is stronger, I don't care "Graphics don't matter, it's the game"
I've never said that. If the Xbox360, which has been in development for less time, and is releasing ~8 months before the PS3, is more powerful than it, then I really would care. It would show me that Sony is incompetent at creating hardware.
Almost borders on fanboy talk that! Supporting the 360 over PS3 does not require such un-proven justification you know! Yes, it's a powerful console with good services...like it for what it is, not for what it's not.
Both GPUs are based on technology that each company WILL implement in their future PC cards. If the PS3 GPU is just "off the shelf", maybe you can tell me where I can buy one, because I'd love one inside my PC!
Besides, if PS3 was coming out this year instead of the 360, you'd probably favour that instead!
I don't like Microsoft. But, even I will say, they have made the perfect next-gen console. If the PS3, designed the same, and everything else, was coming out this year instead of the 360, I'd still prefer the 360.
can you make it more obvious?
Kougaiji
05-23-2005, 05:28
Why, exactly, Chaotic?
Technically speaking, the PS3 outperforms X360 by quite a bit in my books. Also by speaking about 3rd party support, I'd still pick PS3 over the box. If they came out at the same time, what advantage, exactly, does the Xbox 360 have? Live? Though we don't even know much of anything about PS3's "cyber world"?
And if it was designed the same and everything else... then what's the point of it having a different name, even? Where are you going with this? If's and then's won't win the war.
Chaotic_King
05-23-2005, 05:37
Why, exactly, Chaotic?
Technically speaking, the PS3 outperforms X360 by quite a bit in my books. Also by speaking about 3rd party support, I'd still pick PS3 over the box. If they came out at the same time, what advantage, exactly, does the Xbox 360 have? Live? Though we don't even know much of anything about PS3's "cyber world"?
And if it was designed the same and everything else... then what's the point of it having a different name, even? Where are you going with this? If's and then's won't win the war.
We don't know how they perform.
The better question is where are you going with this? Someone said that my opinion would be different if their launch dates were switched, and I was responding to that.
IonCannon
05-23-2005, 08:46
Chaotic King I fail to understand how because J Allard say the xbox 360 is powerful that makes it more believable....and the RSX may be of similar technology to a so called "off the shelf" video card, however the way it will work with the PS3 will differentiate it greatly from your standard video card, so do not believe that.
I think the fact that J Allard was on Eurogamer with an interview entitled "Creativity over graphical fidelity." speaks very loudly for what he really believes. Beside the fact that Microsoft have been working overtime to try and make the 360 sound better.
Finally just because the 360's hardware is more efficient, doesn't mean it is better. Developers may have to work a bit harder to make better games on the PS3, but in the end you will not be the one doing it, the developers will. And believe me most developers will take advantage of the extra power.
Exactly IonCannon, Sony released the 1Tflop number for the Cell and then took it back when they found out it couldn't yet reach that much. M$ released a 1Tflop number for the 360(a number which I highly doubt personally) and then followed to just flat out say their system is better with no actual proof of how they calculated this... Which company seems more trustable?
Also Sony is investing Billions upon Billions in technologies and stating that they are not in them for the money, but for the betterment of electronics. M$ is one of the richest companies in the world and continually buys out companies that show promise and could possibly steal money from them, which company sounds like it is more interested in your happiness over their own?
Fallout Boy
05-23-2005, 09:10
I don't really trust either of them, at the end of the day they just want to sell their product, their marketing department just keeps spewing out ways to do it.
Look at how much talk & controversy both company's have retrospectivley created, everyone is talking about which console is going to be better, everyone is trying to look at the numbers both company's have released,
they created this controversy because its free publicity, for the next 9 months all we are gonna hear about & talk about is XBOx vs PS3, both sides are going to keep the ball moving with cheap stabs at each other & that will keep the fanboys on both sides bickering.
No one will really know until we see the independant bench tests from places like Tom's hardware who will reveal the truth, until then Sony & Microsoft can pretty much say what they like because none can really prove them wrong.
This whole thing reminds me of the promotional campaign for Independance Day, it spewed out bits of information & then all of a sudden the comminity picked it up, went into a frenzy about how dam good the movie was gonna be, but things were different once it was released.
IonCannon
05-23-2005, 09:34
Yes this whole issue is going to go around the roundabout for a long time! No I don't really trust them either, however some arguments made on the web cannot go unchallenged. Thats what forums are for after all. I cannot wait to see what we see of games announced already and those we haven't seen in the coming months. Then we will have a better indication. But just quietly I still believe PS3 will dominate...
Fallout Boy
05-23-2005, 09:39
:lol: Id like to believe that too, not for the PS3's sake, more to the point when M$ dominates, innovation seems to slow down & stagnate.
Fallout Boy, don't forget, when M$ begins to win they buy out another company and murder the products they have, look at DOS(paid $25 to some guy in a shack for it), added restrictions to the amount of memory and ram it can reckognize. Windows(bought for millions off of some 14 year old kid).....controlls other software and the hardware too directly causing system crashes when the hardware has been hardcoded to run itself and the software has been designed for independant running.....Hotmail(paid $400Million for it), originally had unlimited storage, no max attatchment file size. Now you have to pay to get decent numbers.
Fallout Boy
05-23-2005, 09:52
Exactly! They just have one hell of a marketing division to sweep all that under the rug so the general population don't know anything about it. M$ have had some good stuff, but the bad well outweighs the good.
I will respect that without M$ computers may not be where they are today, but I will also state that because of M$ processors have to do more work because other hardware had to remove any processing capabilities to avoid system crashing when clashing with Windows. And yes, the bad outweighs the good and M$ will suffer a downfall from it at some point. I have heard rumor of a coalition of companies(IBM Apple are the only ones I remember) that have plans to take M$ out of the software world. We may not see them emerge for a years yet as they will need to develop an OS to beat windows and also generate many products for it to compete with windows. But I can hold my breath until then ^^(if all goes well for me maybe I will be one to help with this^^)
Fallout Boy
05-23-2005, 10:22
The problem is there hasn't been a product that can replace windows, as buggy as its been, its something anyone can use with no knowledge.
Its interface is so very simple & its very intuitave, but its also really cheap & developers like making Apps for it.
Apple is far better, but much more expensive & doesn't have the apps.
Linux, well its good, but u give linux to someone who doesn't know anything about computers & they tell you its very very awkward to use.
Thats all slowly changing, I see it as, the PC is going to slowly get retired, there will be a convergance into Digital home entertainemtn, console's will take over the role of the media/games that PC's handle, and more IT related stuff will go down another path, you wont need a user to know Windows if all they are doing is processing documents, spreadsheets & sending emails, the computer just has to be on & working.
Unless M$ does something really spectacular, they will eventually go under.
I dont know where u guys r going with this topic but ...
DID u guys actually vote ??
Well, u better have !
Epsilon-Zero
05-23-2005, 16:34
Just an update on the vote.
Sony PS3 52.0%
Xbox 360 48.0%
any closer and it would be a presidential election :lol:
The John
05-23-2005, 16:50
Just an update on the vote.
Sony PS3 52.0%
Xbox 360 48.0%
any closer and it would be a presidential election :lol:
LoL close very close i gues Sony is getting warm feets of the result now :? but witch console is gonna win??? Nobody knows....... i voted Playstation 3 but i am impressed that Xbox 360 is almost 50 procent now :?
Chaotic_King
05-23-2005, 20:24
Chaotic King I fail to understand how because J Allard say the xbox 360 is powerful that makes it more believable....and the RSX may be of similar technology to a so called "off the shelf" video card, however the way it will work with the PS3 will differentiate it greatly from your standard video card, so do not believe that.
I'm not saying it makes it more believeable. I'm saying, that after seeing how revolutionary the Xenos is, compared to the RSX, as well as how efficient and what a monster it seems to be, that is why it makes sense that Allard stated it would be the most powerful. I've seen many things to support the claim of the Xenos being the better of the two, buy I've yet too see anything much about the RSX being the better of the two. Ignoring the fact that both Sony and nVidia have a tendency of overhyping their specs, and under-delivering (It's ironic that both of them are working together) what supports the fact of the PS3 being the more powerful of the two? We likely won't even see it, if it is.
I think the fact that J Allard was on Eurogamer with an interview entitled "Creativity over graphical fidelity." speaks very loudly for what he really believes. Beside the fact that Microsoft have been working overtime to try and make the 360 sound better.
Not necessarily. Also, Microsoft is not working overtime to try and make the 360 sound better. It's not all that hard to do.
Finally just because the 360's hardware is more efficient, doesn't mean it is better. Developers may have to work a bit harder to make better games on the PS3, but in the end you will not be the one doing it, the developers will. And believe me most developers will take advantage of the extra power.
What extra power? If, and I mean if, the PS3 is more powerful of the two, it would be trivial.
All I'm saying, unless someone can provide evidence to me showing the PS3 being more powerful, then I'll gladly accept it. But maybe it's just me, but I was expecting much more from Sony. Where is the quantam leap in technology? They even called it an "Xbox 1.5"
Why is that? They may or may not have the most powerful hardware, it's not the big leap they implied.
I'm not saying it makes it more believeable. I'm saying, that after seeing how revolutionary the Xenos is, compared to the RSX, as well as how efficient and what a monster it seems to be, that is why it makes sense that Allard stated it would be the most powerful.
So you saw how effeciënt the xbox360 is you don't happen to completed a full game for it do you ? Where the hell did you get this from? Also I'm quite happy the ps3 doesn't look like a monster :shock:! Now why it makes sense Allard says xbox360 is better? That should be obvious even to you!
Chaotic_King
05-23-2005, 20:47
So you saw how effeciënt the xbox360 is you don't happen to completed a full game for it do you ? Where the hell did you get this from? Also I'm quite happy the ps3 doesn't look like a monster :shock:! Now why it makes sense Allard says xbox360 is better? That should be obvious even to you!
I'm saying from the internal design.
Compared to the Xenos, the RSX is a rush job.
:| The PS3 isn't that far off from looking like a monster. :snigger
PS Gamer
05-23-2005, 20:47
No Offense to this voting thing...but this is a UN official vote.
It is? damn I tought this would decide wich console is stronger dammit! But it should give us some kind of view wich console is most wanted! I agree it's meaningless but hey I do wanna know the outcome for curiousity.
Sony PS3 51.7%
Xbox 360 48.3%
Xbox is reigning fast
adamba4e
05-23-2005, 21:49
Could this be an indication to the next gen console war.
It's really getting close now :( :
Sony PS3 51.7%
Xbox 360 48.3%
How long will the smackdown be up? a week?
On a very small scale yes, but note the real life results could be 20% of of these results. it will be more about the average gamer in the real world as they are not so enthousiast and don't know about the existance of this vote.
goodfella3048
05-23-2005, 22:34
I dont see how its such a close race. PS3 is the clear winner in my mind. It is hard to argue that the xbox 360 has as much power. I have noticed that people that like the xbox always were talking about how it had more power than the ps2. But now that the ps3 destroys the 360 in terms of specs, the same people claim to have never cared about performance, solely game quality.
To my eye, the ps3 is also better looking than the 360. Simple and sleek and black.
As for games, thats just every persons opinion. Most games are released on both consoles. From what I've gathered, people seem to deem that the xbox has better games mainly because of halo.
The only thing that i think microsoft has a good advantage in is online. The xbox live service is quite good. But i think it would be relatively easy for sony to make and similar system to the live, and it would be infinetly beneficial to sony. Many, many people like the xbox because of the online, which i definetly understand, but i also want the performance of the ps3.
A ps3 with and xbox live type service for a reasonable price- a clear cut winner.
Organic_Shadow
05-23-2005, 22:45
These polls are awesome! lol
I can almost bet more than half of the xbox votes are from it's appearance only... :roll:
Chaotic_King
05-23-2005, 22:59
I dont see how its such a close race. PS3 is the clear winner in my mind. It is hard to argue that the xbox 360 has as much power. I have noticed that people that like the xbox always were talking about how it had more power than the ps2. But now that the ps3 destroys the 360 in terms of specs, the same people claim to have never cared about performance, solely game quality.
It doesn't destroy the 360 in specs.
The only thing that i think microsoft has a good advantage in is online. The xbox live service is quite good. But i think it would be relatively easy for sony to make and similar system to the live, and it would be infinetly beneficial to sony. Many, many people like the xbox because of the online, which i definetly understand, but i also want the performance of the ps3.
It's taken Microsoft years to get Live to what it is. I doubt it would be easy for Sony.
goodfella3048
05-23-2005, 23:47
I dont see how its such a close race. PS3 is the clear winner in my mind. It is hard to argue that the xbox 360 has as much power. I have noticed that people that like the xbox always were talking about how it had more power than the ps2. But now that the ps3 destroys the 360 in terms of specs, the same people claim to have never cared about performance, solely game quality.
It doesn't destroy the 360 in specs.
The only thing that i think microsoft has a good advantage in is online. The xbox live service is quite good. But i think it would be relatively easy for sony to make and similar system to the live, and it would be infinetly beneficial to sony. Many, many people like the xbox because of the online, which i definetly understand, but i also want the performance of the ps3.
It's taken Microsoft years to get Live to what it is. I doubt it would be easy for Sony.ok.... I exaggerated, destroy is not what i should have used. But from most off what ive read, the ps3 will eventually have significantly more accessable power. From what i can tell, the difference between the ps3 and xbox 360 will be more than the difference between ps2 and xbox.
As for the online, microsoft has already figured out what people want out of online gaming for the most part, sony just has to apply that to its own system. Sony is a big company and if they wanted to I would think they'd have a way to. They have lots of money after all. Plus, they still have probably about a year to develop it further.
Chaotic_King
05-24-2005, 00:01
ok.... I exaggerated, destroy is not what i should have used. But from most off what ive read, the ps3 will eventually have significantly more accessable power. From what i can tell, the difference between the ps3 and xbox 360 will be more than the difference between ps2 and xbox.
As for the online, microsoft has already figured out what people want out of online gaming for the most part, sony just has to apply that to its own system. Sony is a big company and if they wanted to I would think they'd have a way to. They have lots of money after all. Plus, they still have probably about a year to develop it further.
There really isn't that much of a difference. No final specs. Sony and nVidia are known to overhype their specs, and even now, the Xenos is likely to be the better of the two GPU's, while the PS3 has the better CPU. Like the PS2/Xbox.
Big company yes, lots of money... :?:
IonCannon
05-24-2005, 02:29
Chaotic King I fail to understand how because J Allard say the xbox 360 is powerful that makes it more believable....and the RSX may be of similar technology to a so called "off the shelf" video card, however the way it will work with the PS3 will differentiate it greatly from your standard video card, so do not believe that.
I'm not saying it makes it more believeable. I'm saying, that after seeing how revolutionary the Xenos is, compared to the RSX, as well as how efficient and what a monster it seems to be, that is why it makes sense that Allard stated it would be the most powerful. I've seen many things to support the claim of the Xenos being the better of the two, buy I've yet too see anything much about the RSX being the better of the two. Ignoring the fact that both Sony and nVidia have a tendency of overhyping their specs, and under-delivering (It's ironic that both of them are working together) what supports the fact of the PS3 being the more powerful of the two? We likely won't even see it, if it is.
I think the fact that J Allard was on Eurogamer with an interview entitled "Creativity over graphical fidelity." speaks very loudly for what he really believes. Beside the fact that Microsoft have been working overtime to try and make the 360 sound better.
Not necessarily. Also, Microsoft is not working overtime to try and make the 360 sound better. It's not all that hard to do.
Finally just because the 360's hardware is more efficient, doesn't mean it is better. Developers may have to work a bit harder to make better games on the PS3, but in the end you will not be the one doing it, the developers will. And believe me most developers will take advantage of the extra power.
What extra power? If, and I mean if, the PS3 is more powerful of the two, it would be trivial.
All I'm saying, unless someone can provide evidence to me showing the PS3 being more powerful, then I'll gladly accept it. But maybe it's just me, but I was expecting much more from Sony. Where is the quantam leap in technology? They even called it an "Xbox 1.5"
Why is that? They may or may not have the most powerful hardware, it's not the big leap they implied.
Well first off, the fact is you did use Allard as part of your reasoning as to why the 360 was more powerful, hence that would imply it makes it more believable.
Except for a few doubters it is widely accepted that the cell processor is streets ahead of the processor in the 360. Also As Mak (incidentally what happened to him???) was at pains to point out, the RSX will have unprecedented access to the processor's power, which will give it a great boost. I agree that the R500 ATI chip does seem to have some good features, but no one really knows what the limitations of each chip are yet, so its hard to argue on that.
I hope you are not relying on that rubbish spec comparison from Microsoft for your argument that both consoles are virtually the same. Likewise do you believe Microsoft when they said that there console is the absolute future of gaming and will be played by a billion people :lol: Really all the rumours, arguments and so forth, from developers and everything else points to the PS3 being more powerful. So unless you have some REAL proof that the 360 is just as powerful, why would you believe that either?
Chaotic_King
05-24-2005, 04:08
Well first off, the fact is you did use Allard as part of your reasoning as to why the 360 was more powerful, hence that would imply it makes it more believable.
I used him because I realized then what he was talking about.
Except for a few doubters it is widely accepted that the cell processor is streets ahead of the processor in the 360. Also As Mak (incidentally what happened to him???) was at pains to point out, the RSX will have unprecedented access to the processor's power, which will give it a great boost. I agree that the R500 ATI chip does seem to have some good features, but no one really knows what the limitations of each chip are yet, so its hard to argue on that.
That's arguable.
We need to know how easy it is to tap into. Nor do we know the boost.
I hope you are not relying on that rubbish spec comparison from Microsoft for your argument that both consoles are virtually the same. Likewise do you believe Microsoft when they said that there console is the absolute future of gaming and will be played by a billion people :lol: Really all the rumours, arguments and so forth, from developers and everything else points to the PS3 being more powerful. So unless you have some REAL proof that the 360 is just as powerful, why would you believe that either?
Nope, I know that they're slanted by Microsoft. But in it, are some true things in it.
DAMN !!!
PS3: 51.5%
Xbox360: 48.5%
C'mon, people start votin will ya !
MS Fanboys r gonna eat us up alive for the whole yr if they win this poll.
Fallout Boy
05-24-2005, 05:48
I voted PS3, thats more because of an anoying fanboy then anything else :lol:
You can vote as many times as you want though, so I don't really consider that a valid poll, im sure people are sitting there voting for their fav console over & over again
I voted PS3, thats more because of an anoying fanboy then anything else :lol:
You can vote as many times as you want though, so I don't really consider that a valid poll, im sure people are sitting there voting for their fav console over & over again
The second time u vote with the same internet connection (same IP address), the vote doesnt count .... i tried it ages ago with another poll on CNET
Fallout Boy
05-24-2005, 05:55
Really :? it didn't do that for me, it jsut revoted when I voted again
adamba4e
05-24-2005, 20:59
PS3 got 51% Xbox 360 got 49%
BOTH CONSOLES will be just as great.
iam geting both
Very close race, if this is how it is with the real reality of the systems, it seems Sony is gonna have a major battle, one mistake and it'll be the end. Also, I think that 360 being cheaper than Sony will give it a huge advantage, so sony will lose first-console out buyers and the cheaper-console buyers.
Organic_Shadow
05-24-2005, 22:40
Is it just me or are the specs the link shows for each system a bit biased in favor of the xbox?
They call it "Custom" IBM chip. Whereas CELL is just "IBM CELL".
They call gpu "ATI" and the rsx is just "RSX" without the nVidia involvement.
They even show extra features about xbox and leave out 70% else of what PS3 can do. What's funny though is that the XBOX specs are pretty complete.... :roll:
EDIT: Yes there is a price difference but PS3 is now stated at being closer to PS2 price now as stated in another thread. I bet they won't mention this on the smackdown...
Uh-oh:
Xbox 360 51.1%
Sony PS3 48.9%
adamba4e
05-25-2005, 22:35
NO!!!!!
muchuukuri
05-25-2005, 23:12
You know, I think you guys are taking this a little too seriously. It's an online poll for crying out loud. Since when has anything online actually mattered?? It'll swing back and forth as the fanboys take to the net and then after a point everyone will forget about it, because new trailers for next gen games will be available or whatever.
My point being, is there any real need to concern ourselves with this? It one of a million polls we'll see online pitting PS3 against X2 and there'll be different outcome along the line.
What would be interesting as a socialogical experiment would to set up a poll using the same demographics and have one be PS3 vs Xbox 2 and another PS3 vs XBox 360. I'm curious if the average consumer really is that... ... well, I wonder if makes a difference.
lol :lol: i dont think people can actually get that stupid. PS3 ALL THE WAY BABY!!!!!!!!!
XBOX360 ALL THE WAY! it just outlasted the ps3. plus gta is not coming out with any more games or sequels. San andreas was the last one so ps3 isnt getting an advantage
MOD EDIT: DONT DOUBLE POST
scorpion x
05-26-2005, 01:28
some of those numbers and specs mean nothing does anybody know how sony overpromised on the ps2 showing videos that looked good but when the game came out it was sh*t, im voting for the Xbox 360 the xbox was way better than the ps2 and i believe this on will deliver as well
scorpion x
05-26-2005, 01:29
MOD EDIT: DONT DOUBLE POST
MiThRaZoR
05-26-2005, 02:57
XBOX360 ALL THE WAY! it just outlasted the ps3. plus gta is not coming out with any more games or sequels. San andreas was the last one so ps3 isnt getting an advantage
Since when did GTA make games? I thought it was RockStar. :? I'm confused, fill me out.
And where did RockStar say that their best selling game ever was gonna be stopped? You know that the game was number one at a selling point once. Now, what kind of a developer would stop production of these series?
i just realize something ...
only the people in the USA will b accessing CNET.com for this poll ...
Others will b using site like cnet.co.uk, or asia.cnet.com
So i guess more than half the population that deserves to vote is unaware of this poll ...
So in the end ... this poll isnt gonna change anybodys mind ..
wats with xbox lovers double and triple posting all the time not to mention the fact that most of them are illiterate and clueless. 8)
BMN_PS_Fan_35
05-27-2005, 01:54
PS3 at 48.4%
XBox 360 at 51.6%
I notice that if you click "Vote Now!" again after you vote, you get the same window. Does that mean it's counting your votes?
Click click click click
And yes I voted for PS3
vote ps3! it will be the champ!
majinvegeta
12-17-2006, 02:38
come on guys!! KEEP VOTING!!
alexandra23
12-17-2006, 02:41
yah.
Sony PS3 55.9%
Xbox 360 44.1%
really? i just voted and 360 was winning
This thread is OLD NEWS. Don't post in it.
gahangore
12-17-2006, 02:50
Why not, posts are how we learn.
spazchicken
12-17-2006, 02:52
um, is this the site were you can vote as many times as you want? Meh....:?
StrifeTribal
12-17-2006, 03:02
Lmao... wow... whoever pulled this out from the very back of the forum goodjob lmao.
Invisible Kid
02-19-2007, 20:51
Mercenaries 2:World in Flames is a free roam, third person shooter coming to the PS3,360,PC and the PS2
Burn baby baby!"
Mercenaries 2 new feature fire will play a big role in Mercenaries 2 , you
can do things such as, make gas spill around enemies, than use your trusty
lighter to light them on fire. Trees can be caught on fire as well, so fire
does effect the environment around you. You can shoot cars or trucks to
release fuel or oil if the fuel or oil go under the enemies feet, well you
know what will happen than ,just use the trusty lighter to set them a blaze!
Another way fire can be use is to create distractions enemies will go tend
to the fire you set instead of worrying about you. But one of the coolest
way to use fire is on the water, you can shoot oil tanks and the oil will
spill on to the water, if there is a boat on the oil you can light it on
fire, than jump in the water to escape getting in the blaze!
Destruction!/ Radiant AI
In the first Mercenaries buildings were destroy in a very basic way, but
the PS3 will allow more advance destruction , you can destroy parts of
buildings and cars, such as popping someone's tires, breaking there
windshields, ad or destroying pieces of a plane
Like Oblivion's Radiant AI, Mercenaries 2 will have the same thing, enemies
are smart they would see you as a threat if you run towards them, according
to 1up This is due to the PS3's additional processing power to AI.
Physics/Day and night cycle
According to 1up the PS3 play a big part in Mercenaries 2 physics, if you
start destroying parts of a building giant chunks of concrete will fall
off, to the crush anything anyone, sounds like fun! Because PS3's
multiple processors, which allow developers the room to do more things
without having to sacrifice graphics or framerate. There will is
real-time day/night cycle in the game unlike the first Mercenaries 2 , this
could be interesting
Your private militia!/ You can swim!
Unlike Mercenaries 1 in Mercenaries you can have your own private
militia, you can go around and hire different kinds of mercenaries that
can help you with your missions, you can even name your Private Military
Company it's a cool little feature they added. Again unlike the first game
you can swim this time, you can dive under water from danger, or plant C4
under an enemy boat. There are oceans, rivers and lakes in the game, so
there are many places to swim, who knows you may find something under water!
New ways to kill!
Mercenaries 2 will have new weapons that open new ways to take out your
opponents ., there are over 100 weapons you can use such as the new smoke
bombs and land mines. You can use break an than toss a grenade in it and
blow the car up, fire like I stated above will be very useful and fun to
sue in the game.Y ou can also use your new grappling hook to attack enemies
with
Online co-op
Mercenaries 2 will feature online co-op multiplayer , you can team up with
a buddy an blow the crap out of everything together, we will have more on
this as it becomes available
Power of and exclusive
Mercenaries 2 will take advantage of the PS3 hardware,
Cameron Brown, the man behind Mercenaries 2 said that he can load data into
different SPUs. By doing this you will get performance boosts such as
better framerate. Above I detail many ways that the PS3 is really
Mercenaries 2:World in Flames. I guess that the power of an exclusive.
Set to come out Q4 of 2007, but no solid date is confirmed , we will have
more on this game as the news come in.
don_milz
02-24-2007, 17:22
Can you take another crack at this, Kirby? The general structure needs work - introduce the game (overview) and take the readers through the points you want to raise, then at the end reach a conclusion based on the points you've made. At the moment, it's a bit confusing and the points you make are disjointed and quite random.
Pay particular attention to sentence structure and length. Your opening sentence for example, is far too long. The reader will switch off and go elsewhere if we lose them in the opening paragraph.
You also need to re-read everything you write out loud. If you have trouble saying it, chances are the reader will have trouble reading it.
Did you write out a plan for this piece? Believe me it helps and it actually saves you work rather than adds to it!