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There is rumour that Wii will launch november the 6th.
PS3 launch date is the 17, can the Wii launching first affect the PS3. Maybe not in US and Europe but in Japan?
My take is if Wii launch first this could be bad for Sony new console in Japan. Maybe not for the early buyer but for the casual gamer Wii price can be really tempting.
Do you think sony could still hold the most market share but be 2nd in US and 2nd in Japan?
edit: sorry forgot the link
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140881
The House
06-03-2006, 21:36
Both consoles will sell out, it depends on which Company has the better marketing team.
Crazy Phat
06-03-2006, 21:43
Both consoles will sell out, it depends on which Company has the better marketing team.No it depends both on marketing and the amount of units produced.
Even if the price is tempting they'll get tired of it after a while and realize that they have saved 350$ but got a system with no next-gen capability whatsoever, except the controller. Comeon the Wii can't even play dvd movies. Back to the topic, I think it might hurt Sony a little in Japan, though it would sell out no doubt about that. Both of them.
sevendesigns
06-03-2006, 21:47
I'm sorry, but i'd rather spend the extra money for a console that's going to give me next gen gaming. The Wii is going to be a part of my living room, but definitely not until I get my PS3. I don't see people actually saying ''hey, for a lot less I can get this console''.. when they know the PS3 will offer more.
Comeon the Wii can't even play dvd movies.
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
I think the Wii is a guaranteed sell-out in Japan, looking at the DS in Japan.
HOWEVER, I doubt it'll affect Sony much. The systems are so different people will probably buy both! Nintendo probably wants to launch first so people don't buy the high end PS3 with all the goodies first and find they don't have enough money left to buy a Wii too ;)
Hmmmm....tough one. Both consoles are sufficiently different, and the Wii cheap enough to not force a lot of people into making a choice long-term, but that cheap price tag may be just enough to make people wait on the PS3 if Wii launches earlier.
The House
06-03-2006, 21:50
What the hell are you paying for a Wii anyways?
Both consoles will sell out
though it would sell out no doubt about that. Both of them.
Yeah both console will sell out. But lets try to see in the long term. Can Wii gain more momentum by launching first.
it depends on which Company has the better marketing team.
Good point, hyping the console before launch will play a major role with two close sonsole launch
razorblade416
06-03-2006, 21:58
Sony needs to say stuff like 250X more powerful (or however much it is) than Wii. People might not under stand why but most people know their times tables :wink: O yeah, and use lots a big numbers. At least Sony can get people who always want the best (which is who the're probably gonna get considering the price.
But yeah, i think they are really targeting completly different audiences so it might not make much of a difference. The biggest point for Sony is letting people know it's launching just days away of the Wii launch so they will choose wisely and not just pick the first thing that comes out :roll:
What the hell are you paying for a Wii anyways?
$200-$250.
Nintendo hasn't announced the official price, just that it's less than $220 in Japan and less than $250 here- they're still deciding the final pricing and what comes with it.
Comeon the Wii can't even play dvd movies.
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
I think the Wii is a guaranteed sell-out in Japan, looking at the DS in Japan.
HOWEVER, I doubt it'll affect Sony much. The systems are so different people will probably buy both! Nintendo probably wants to launch first so people don't buy the high end PS3 with all the goodies first and find they don't have enough money left to buy a Wii too ;)
Pfftss... sure. Not enough to buy a Wii... just dig deep into those pockets and take out the spare change. :twisted:
I think that it all comes down to marketing and as the months progress towards TGS. That's what it'll all be about. All three big companies don't want to be over-shadowd by the other. PS3 needs an incredible showing, there. It needs to be extremely strong in order to convey the consumer that is the ' average idiot ' and wants the Wii because of their controller.
I think Sony should just go out and say it. Wii's controller may be innovative, it may open new doors and new opportunities. But in my honest opinion, it also limits them. Not to mention the not so next-gen hardware. I don't believe anyone who says that the Wii offers more than anything else. Nintendo may be innovatave with a couple of titles. But it misses out on titles like Haze, Bioshock and stuff like that coming out for PS3 and the 360, and that is because of it's controller and hardware capabilities.
Just my honest opinion.
sevendesigns
06-03-2006, 22:09
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
I think the Wii is a guaranteed sell-out in Japan, looking at the DS in Japan.
HOWEVER, I doubt it'll affect Sony much. The systems are so different people will probably buy both! Nintendo probably wants to launch first so people don't buy the high end PS3 with all the goodies first and find they don't have enough money left to buy a Wii too ;)
What the hell is a true next gen controller? lmfao, they're not giving you the most important thing.. a next gen system. The controller could be used for the Gamecube, and they'd call it a Wii. Oh wait, that's exactly what they're doing. I don't buy Nintendo trying to sell us a console that is so watered down, and doesn't give us something worthwhile.
Mario Galaxy looked painfully boring, and everything they demonstrated with the controller looked like it would be better controlled with a traditional controller.
wow, this is not a flame war tread!!!
Lets focus on the Wii launching 1st in Japan ok? Japan play a big role for Sony dominance on the old-gen console. But dont forget Japanesse gamer have different taste than US gamers.
so i repeat: Can the Wii launch before PS3 in Japan affect Sony next-gen console.
Im pretty sure it will affect in the long run. Not everybody can afford two console. The first out can (maybe) grab a more larger japanesse userbase?
Yes both console will sold out, jsut borrow sony's words.
The fisrt 3 years of console sale is ponit less.
Yes, from console history, the first 3 year is only stand for 20% of a king console sale.
Franky most console will sale clean out for at least fisrt 2 years.
The problem is what to do next, PS and PS2 was king because it keep on selling and selling more year after year.
I believe PS3 has the power to keep it's present loyarity, but yet to see it's power to gain new blood into the console market.
Where wii has a lot of potential on gaining new customer into console market.
Mainly for it's low price and simple game constrol.
Since the main reason behind the non-gamers these day are not graphic or high quality game experience.
But because the games are too expensive and games are too hard to play.
So arm with low price and simple gaming wii has a good chance this generation.
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
[Devil's advocate]
Doesn't the Wii need an exteral add-on to play DVD movies? It would make sense because they can pass the licensing costs onto those who want that functionality. Besides, I hardly think DVD playback is a feature too many people will be bothered about in their Wii - I've got about 5 DVD players scattered around the house in one form or another. I don't really need one more! However, I haven't get a Blu-ray player...yet.
The PS3 has massive graphical improvement over the Xbox, also has WiFi (premium model, but it's there), PSP connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and IMO the best controller design out there. That was the best move SONY made by sticking to the tried-and-tested DS design. It might not have spatial awareness on its own, but neither does the Wii-mote. In terms of tilt and acceleration sensing, PS3 is just as capable. Games like Monkeyball are achievable on both systems. The Wii needs a sensing bar for spatial awareness, the PS3 can use the HD camera...
OK, so in all likelihood people won't be swinging their PS3 controllers around when playing Virtua Tennis 3, but in all honesty, would you want to have to play like that...alll the time? I wouldn't. It's novel, yes, but truly next gen? I don't think so. It's a different controller for what is essentially a last-gen system.
For reasons already highlighted in this thread, there is room for both systems to enjoy much earned success.
[/Devil's advocate]
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
[Devil's advocate]
Doesn't the Wii need an exteral add-on to play DVD movies? It would make sense because they can pass the licensing costs onto those who want that functionality. Besides, I hardly think DVD playback is a feature too many people will be bothered about in their Wii - I've got about 5 DVD players scattered around the house in one form or another. I don't really need one more! However, I haven't get a Blu-ray player...yet.
The PS3 has massive graphical improvement over the Xbox, also has WiFi (premium model, but it's there), PSP connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and IMO the best controller design out there. That was the best move SONY made by sticking to the tried-and-tested DS design. It might not have spatial awareness on its own, but neither does the Wii-mote. In terms of tilt and acceleration sensing, PS3 is just as capable. Games like Monkeyball are achievable on both systems. The Wii needs a sensing bar for spatial awareness, the PS3 can use the HD camera...
OK, so in all likelihood people won't be swinging their PS3 controllers around when playing Virtua Tennis 3, but in all honesty, would you want to have to play like that...alll the time? I wouldn't. It's novel, yes, but truly next gen? I don't think so. It's a different controller for what is essentially a last-gen system.
For reasons already highlighted in this thread, there is room for both systems to enjoy much earned success.
[/Devil's advocate]Graham, you saved me a lot of typing. :wink:
Again an interesting thing you've pointed out, people will get tired eventually swinging the Wii controller, I can bet on that. I myself like to enjoy my video games on a couch, sitting, leaning, lying down or any other comfrotable position you can think of. How much can you swing the Wii controller before you ask yourself; "Damn, I wanted a gaming console not a gym"
Graham, you saved me a lot of typing. :wink:
Again an interesting thing you've pointed out, people will get tired eventually swinging the Wii controller, I can bet on that. I myself like to enjoy my video games on a couch, sitting, leaning, lying down or any other comfrotable position you can think of. How much can you swing the Wii controller before you ask yourself; "Damn, I wanted a gaming console not a gym"
Glad to be of service! All you need to do is look at the Eye-Toy to know that while major fun, it's only a small part of gaming. OK, so the Wii-mote is a bit more flexible in that you don't need lots of room, but I can honestly see myself getting fed up swinging a remote around when playing things like tennis and golf. FPS games might be really good with it, but I just can't make my mind up! As I've said in many posts before, I'll have to experience this one for myself before making a final decision on whether or not to get one.
Psydistix
06-03-2006, 23:01
In my opinion, and this is just my opinion, it does not matter if the Wii is released before the PS3 or on the same day. The Wii is ready to take an early lead due to the price and the casual fanbase curious about the controller. I think we all know that. However, what will matter most will be other things.
#1. The Wii controller. They say that you do not have to swing your arms, but simply move the wrist. They forget to tell you about aiming the weapon in your hand. Not your body with the analog, I am talking about the weapon itself. If the Wii controller fails, the next gen is automatically owned by Sony. There discs hold more information and Microsoft's HD-DVD add on will bring the 360 close to the price of the PS3 overall.
#2. How soon people wake up to the next gen. How long before realize the quality of blu-ray and how long before programmers can use the full power of the PS3.
#3. The amount and choice of games for the Wii that the Wii controller will utilize. One of the most anticipated games on the Wii, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, will not utilize the new controller. If Nintendo has to be selective with what games utilize the controller(Which is the key to their system), the system will fail.
Silverthorn
06-03-2006, 23:04
There is rumour that Wii will launch november the 6th.
PS3 launch date is the 17, can the Wii launching first affect the PS3. Maybe not in US and Europe but in Japan?
My take is if Wii launch first this could be bad for Sony new console in Japan. Maybe not for the early buyer but for the casual gamer Wii price can be really tempting.
Do you think sony could still hold the most market share but be 2nd in US and 2nd in Japan?
edit: sorry forgot the link
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140881
Casual gamers don't usually buy at launch. These are two different markets, they will coexist and do quite well. That's my take anyway.
#1. The Wii controller. They say that you do not have to swing your arms, but simply move the wrist. They forget to tell you about aiming the weapon in your hand.
I realise that, but unless you are a, shall we say "active young male teenager" :lol:, that wrist is soon going to start aching. Just take any old remote control and pretend you are playing a tennis game on Wii. It soons get tiring and repetitive. Maybe I've got the moves all wrong?!
Worst case scenario, you have a broken hand. It's raining outside. Nothing's on T.V. Your friends are out of town. No one's home, and all you have is a Wii controller where you have to move around. Pfftss... so consumer friendly, eh? :roll:
Again an interesting thing you've pointed out, people will get tired eventually swinging the Wii controller, I can bet on that. I myself like to enjoy my video games on a couch, sitting, leaning, lying down or any other comfrotable position you can think of. How much can you swing the Wii controller before you ask yourself; "Damn, I wanted a gaming console not a gym"
I beg of you people, at least know what you're talking about if you are going to make a post. If you have read any previews on the games or statements from people in the industry, you would know that it only takes minuscule wrist movements to play. It's been said many, many times before but people refuse to listen. I'm sorry if I come across as rude, but as I've said, at least know what you're talking about if you're going to make a post.
Worst case scenario, you have a broken hand. It's raining outside. Nothing's on T.V. Your friends are out of town. No one's home, and all you have is a Wii controller where you have to move around. Pfftss... so consumer friendly, eh? :roll:
That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? :roll: I mean, how are you going to play any video games in the first place if your hand is broken?
Psydistix
06-03-2006, 23:25
Graham, you and I are on the same page. Nintendo is trying to attract the casuals the improper way. The casuals as I like to call them want what is easiest. The PS3 is trying to attract the casuals by the ability to play blu-ray movies. They are targeting the gamers with the new technology in the games. Yes, they will get the fat guy off the couch, but if it is not easy enough, it will put him back on it. If it is not challenging enough, the traditional gamers will get back on the couch.
Engelbert!
06-04-2006, 00:08
The Wii wont effect the Launch of the PS3 in general. It may ship a few thousand less consoles as a result but i think after a few years PS3 will be back on top. After all, there is only a certain amount of innovation you can have as AAA titles
kudoshinchi
06-04-2006, 01:19
Again an interesting thing you've pointed out, people will get tired eventually swinging the Wii controller, I can bet on that. I myself like to enjoy my video games on a couch, sitting, leaning, lying down or any other comfrotable position you can think of. How much can you swing the Wii controller before you ask yourself; "Damn, I wanted a gaming console not a gym"
I beg of you people, at least know what you're talking about if you are going to make a post. If you have read any previews on the games or statements from people in the industry, you would know that it only takes minuscule wrist movements to play. It's been said many, many times before but people refuse to listen. I'm sorry if I come across as rude, but as I've said, at least know what you're talking about if you're going to make a post.
Worst case scenario, you have a broken hand. It's raining outside. Nothing's on T.V. Your friends are out of town. No one's home, and all you have is a Wii controller where you have to move around. Pfftss... so consumer friendly, eh? :roll:
That's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? :roll: I mean, how are you going to play any video games in the first place if your hand is broken?
Yes we understand that industry says you move your wrist around, but guess what most fans dont care it. They want swing their whole arm to play the game.
Redrider
06-04-2006, 01:35
Graham nailed this one :!:
cap 826: If what you are saying is true, than what was the on-stage demo of the Wii controller all about at E3? Let's say the you are playing a baseball game on the Wii, home much of a "swing of the controller" will it take to hit a home run? If this is some thing granny could do, the game will get old REAL FAST :lol: . As pointed out earlier in this thread, two different markets two different consoles. Personally I can see the Wii collecting dust within it's lifetime because of it's limited capabilities and lack of "must have" games.
roosters93
06-04-2006, 01:51
I don't think the launch date of the Wii will affect the PS3 considerably.
Most people would have already have made up their minds on which console they are getting and will not go for the Wii just because it comes out a week or so earlier.
Graham nailed this one :!:
cap 826: If what you are saying is true, than what was the on-stage demo of the Wii controller all about at E3?
Demonstration purposes. Do you think Warhawk will be played the way it was on stage with the PS3 controller?
Redrider
06-04-2006, 02:23
[quote=Redrider]Graham nailed this one :!:
cap 826: If what you are saying is true, than what was the on-stage demo of the Wii controller all about at E3?quote]
Demonstration purposes. Do you think Warhawk will be played the way it was on stage with the PS3 controller?Actually, no. With the limited motion needed to control the Warhawk demo we saw at E3 (assumed development stage of the game). You probably would not need to be standing up. However I do not see game developers leaning on this capability for the PS3 as much as for the Wii.
I will take this one step further and speculate that the Sony demonstration could have had more prep to it. It seemed that the people doing the Wii demos at E3 had a more difficult time handling the controller. This may be a good thing for the Wii because if it is too easy, it will lose it's appeal real fast because the game will not be that challenging.
This will be the big challenge for the Wii if it's going to attract new "gamers"; too easy and they will lose interest, too hard and they will simply walk away.....
NUMA NUMA
06-04-2006, 04:56
If that's true, no duh it will.... it's comon sense people, however rare that is.
Monkey In Black
06-04-2006, 05:23
It won't matter if the PS3 and the Wii launch during the same time. As hisame said earlier, both consoles will definitely sell out at launch time and sell very well even some time afterwords. There are always the hardcore games and fans that will buy either/both consoles. Plus, the two consoles are trying to attract different audiences, so there shouldn't be a big conflict.
As in the situation of the Wii, I don't think it is already doomed to fail. It's too early to predict anything like that. And we should experience the controller before totally criticizing it. And after taking in what Cap_826 said about needing only miniscule wrist movements to operate the controller, I don't see the big deal about getting tired after using it a lot.
Graham, you and I are on the same page. Nintendo is trying to attract the casuals the improper way. The casuals as I like to call them want what is easiest. The PS3 is trying to attract the casuals by the ability to play blu-ray movies. They are targeting the gamers with the new technology in the games. Yes, they will get the fat guy off the couch, but if it is not easy enough, it will put him back on it. If it is not challenging enough, the traditional gamers will get back on the couch.
I don't thing the "casuals" as you call them would walk into a store and buy a $500/$600 system when there is also a <$250 system next to it.
UCONN for life
06-04-2006, 05:41
I have a feeling that TGS will change the game again, as E3 did this year. PS3 doesn't look to have the advantage it did last year, but then again, neither does Revolution. This year, at least through May, has given a lot for MS to be happy about. If I was Peter Moore, I would be going crazy. MS has a lot of credibility. They are an established brand, with a foothold, stronger than the DC, and the 360 will have sold plenty of units by the time PS3 arrives. Good games are coming to the 360, and they seem like they will be able to survive the console war for now. TGS may change all of this. PS3 titles will have had over three months on a final kit, and will be looking sharp. The Japanese devs will be bringing the big guns out, and FF will be there, I'll bet on it. Final Fantasy is huge in Japan, like Madden is in the US. Imagine if Madden was exclusive to 360 in the U.S. PS3 wouldn't be selling out, it would flop. Thats why 360 is doing so bad in Japan. Their "Madden" is exclusive, so most gamers just follow it. Thats also why the U.S. can support PS3 and 360, the big games like GTA and Madden are multiplatform, which creates parity. We might also see Killzone at TGS or before. It would be a huge, HUGE, coup if Sony could show off a Killzone looking like the trailer from last year, or at least real close. They need to put the trailer out before launch, to have the greatest impact. Kinda like "oh if you've forgotten, we have a little game called Killzone, and it justifies the price tag"
Ridge Racer
06-04-2006, 06:08
Will the Wii launch affect the PS3 launch? That's a big no. The consoles are different, the fan bases are different. People who are more Sony fans will still get the PS3 despite the price and people who are Nintendo fans will still get a Wii regardless of the price. The systems offer their own unique qualities as to both be successful without affecting sales of either.
That being said it may affect a small portion of people that have no loyalties to any one company but that number I believe will be miniscule at best.
roosters93
06-04-2006, 06:14
yes tommy v is right. The Playstation fans will go for Playstation and Nintendo fans go for Nintendo, and there being more Playstation fans, The Wii Launch will not be a worry.
#1. The Wii controller. They say that you do not have to swing your arms, but simply move the wrist. They forget to tell you about aiming the weapon in your hand.
I realise that, but unless you are a, shall we say "active young male teenager" :lol:, that wrist is soon going to start aching. Just take any old remote control and pretend you are playing a tennis game on Wii. It soons get tiring and repetitive. Maybe I've got the moves all wrong?!
I didn't try Tennis, but Zelda: Twilight Princess and Red Steel were no more tiring than using a mouse. Very small motions of the wrist required with no movement of the arm.
(for those who don't know, I tried it at E3)
Yes it can...and I don't believe next-gen capabilities is defined as movie playback.
The Wii has a slight graphical improvement over the XBox, but also has WiFi (something you'll have to spend money over the base model to get in the other systems), DS connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and a true next-gen 3D controller, something the others lack entirely.
I think the Wii is a guaranteed sell-out in Japan, looking at the DS in Japan.
HOWEVER, I doubt it'll affect Sony much. The systems are so different people will probably buy both! Nintendo probably wants to launch first so people don't buy the high end PS3 with all the goodies first and find they don't have enough money left to buy a Wii too ;)
What the hell is a true next gen controller? lmfao, they're not giving you the most important thing.. a next gen system. The controller could be used for the Gamecube, and they'd call it a Wii. Oh wait, that's exactly what they're doing. I don't buy Nintendo trying to sell us a console that is so watered down, and doesn't give us something worthwhile.
Mario Galaxy looked painfully boring, and everything they demonstrated with the controller looked like it would be better controlled with a traditional controller.
You don't know what you're talking about.
A true next gen controller is one that actually brings something new to the table. This is a controller allowing for true 3-dimensional control. The GameCube is significantly slower than the Wii plus lacks the WiFi, Bluetooth, downloadable games service, built in memory, and is several times larger than the Wii.
The PS3 has massive graphical improvement over the Xbox, also has WiFi (premium model, but it's there), PSP connectivity, a robust online service, downloadable content, and IMO the best controller design out there. That was the best move SONY made by sticking to the tried-and-tested DS design.
A few things.
PS3 has WiFi in the $600 model. Wii has it in the $200-$250 model. That's a BIG difference to casual consumers.
More people have a DS than PSP, and I think cooler things can be accomplished with DS connectivity (touch screen). Plus Wii has downloadable DS demos.
As for controller design; Wii's is better.
It might not have spatial awareness on its own, but neither does the Wii-mote. In terms of tilt and acceleration sensing, PS3 is just as capable. Games like Monkeyball are achievable on both systems. The Wii needs a sensing bar for spatial awareness, the PS3 can use the HD camera...
You are incorrect. The Wii has spacial awareness without the sensor bar. The sensor bar is used so it can detect where on the screen you are pointing.
The Wii detects motion and tilt in each hand plus where on the screen you point.
The PS3 just detects tilt.
Wii can do more.
roosters93
06-04-2006, 07:23
yes it seems the Wii has many features that the PS3 doesn't but the PS3 makes up for it by making their features stronger. Overall the PS3 is just better.
MiDNiGHTS
06-04-2006, 07:36
I think both systems will effect each others launches in their own ways but perhaps PS3 will get more media attention and publicitly in the US. Wii might pull a DS lite in Japan and have people swarming for it but handhelds and consoles are pretty different markets and PSP still doesnt have the decent software that is pushing DS lite.
PS3 rocks
06-04-2006, 09:40
I just can't see why nintendo is popular. Japan ate the DS right up. I don't know what so great about it. The Wii has a huge disadvantage against the PS3 in Feautres/hardware. I hope it doesn't affect the launch but if it's anything like the DS it will make a difference yes. The PS3 will sell out either way.
roosters93
06-04-2006, 11:42
people with Nintendo DS will buy the Wii because of the Wi-fi connectivity.
This wil be a major disadvantage for PS3 in Japan as everyone knows how many people have DS in Japan
yes it seems the Wii has many features that the PS3 doesn't but the PS3 makes up for it by making their features stronger. Overall the PS3 is just better.
The Wii's advantage is a better controller. The PS3's advantage is a better graphics.
They're different machines with different philosophies. I don't think you can classify either of them as "just better".
I just can't see why nintendo is popular. Japan ate the DS right up. I don't know what so great about it. The Wii has a huge disadvantage against the PS3 in Feautres/hardware. I hope it doesn't affect the launch but if it's anything like the DS it will make a difference yes. The PS3 will sell out either way.
Let's be honest here; the DS does have better games than the PSP.
people with Nintendo DS will buy the Wii because of the Wi-fi connectivity.
This wil be a major disadvantage for PS3 in Japan as everyone knows how many people have DS in Japan
You know, honestly, I don't think either system will affect each other much. The Wii is so cheap that people who want both will get both.
I do think that the Wii is guaranteed to do well. It's cheap, the controller is awesome, it's smaller than the GameCube (functioning as a GameCube Lite), free online play, and the huge backwards library, not to mention DS demos downloaded to it while it's off.
DS owners will buy the Wii for the DS connectivity. Classic gamers will buy it for old games. Non-gamers may buy it after word of mouth spreads.
Meanwhile, PS3 will be bought by the hardcore gamers, the Blu-ray adopters, and the media center nuts. Casual gamers don't spend $600 for a system at launch and usually buy systems a couple of years down the line anyway. The hardcores can afford a PS3 and a Wii, or don't care about the Wii.
They'll have different markets to target at launch.
playstationjunkie
06-04-2006, 21:23
i dont think that they will affect eachother..if someone is a ps fan they will get ps3 if they are a nintendo fan they will get the wii...but for those parents/casual gamers they might just go for the cheapest that would be the only advantage for nintendo
Even if the price is tempting they'll get tired of it after a while and realize that they have saved 350$ but got a system with no next-gen capability whatsoever, except the controller. Comeon the Wii can't even play dvd movies. Back to the topic, I think it might hurt Sony a little in Japan, though it would sell out no doubt about that. Both of them.
Who cares if Wii doesn't play back DVDs? Everyone has a DVD player nowardays, you can buy one for $40.
The consoles will have limited effect on each other's launch as they will both sell out. However, what you should be looking at is the window from launch to 6 months, that's the key.
There were a ton of glitches with the Wii controller/sensor at E3...Many people said that they had to stay close to the screen to prevent the crosshairs from going AWOL, and Gamespots editor on SPIKETVS GAMEHEAD program said in Zelda, he needed to hold the controller down by his crotch to fire an arrow, because he was too tall for the sensor to read.
I think Wii will be taking it's time launching....cause if they launch with sensor errors, people will get fed up and Wii will die in the water.
Bitbydeath
06-05-2006, 03:47
The Wii will have a minor impact on the PS3, the PS3 will still sell out everywhere in the world but their will still be a large number of consumers who will buy the wii now and wait til the PS3 is cheaper before they buy the product
The wii will be just like many other kids things (the DS, pokemon, anything kiddy really)... sure they start off with a billion people/kids liking it but it will not take too long before most get bored of it
Launching the Wii a few days before the PS3 will have no significant long term effect on the PS3. In may in the short term in some areas.
I think that the Wii will do well in Japan and in Asian countries because of it's affordability. However, after about a year the lack of Wii's next generation graphics capabilities will come back to haunt it. Especially in America, Europe and Australia. And they will loose a lot of sales to the PS3 and the X360.
In a couple of years customers will just expect next generation graphic quality and the Wii won't deliver. It will remain primarily an enhanced kids console and played by a few adults who like the Nintendo franchise games. And tell me who will want to use it as a web browser in standard NTSC or PAL resolution. Have you ever tried to read web text on a standard television set. You can't read web page text well enough for it to be functional as the pixels are too large. Only specially formatted web pages built by Nintendo will be worth checking out.
I will not buy a Wii even at 250 bucks because I want next gen graphics and physics. Why should I pay 250 for a nice controller and a xbox1 comparable console. Nintendo should have just built thier motion controller for the PS3 and the X360 and ported thier games to both platforms if they did not want to build something a little more next generation. Then they could have sold the controllers and games and made a lot of profit from other console sales.
I think the time when the Wii will start losing steam is when PS3 and Xbox 360 start dropping their prices. If the Core 360 drops to $250 and the Premium to $325, and the PS3 drops to $425-$525, I think then we're going to see a shift in the balance for market share. But I don't expect the 360 to come down in price for at least a year, and the PS3 until 2008.
Having said that, I do agree that the Wii will have the shortest legs of this generation. I think it's going to come out on top this Xmas, but will probably only stay there for 2-3 years, with the Xbox 360 being the biggest challenger.
However, the Wii and 360 form almost a symbiotic relationship due to the fact they play different games, but are both "affordable" to some extent.
I think the PS3 has a really good chance if they keep coming out with amazing exclusive games, though if it does prevail, it won't be until Year 3 or 4.
I think Nintendo is probably already developing the sequel to Wii already with HD graphics, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was released by 2010.
People are going to have less of an issue with the a short life cycle for Wii if it launches at $199 (technically it would be Nintendo's cheapest home console ever, if you factor in inflation), and by 2010, Nintendo could easily produce an HD console for $199 retail.
If that console has 100% backward compatibility and Nintendo still supports Wii with games until 2012, I don't see any big backlash and Nintendo can do a repeat of the Wii again. However, they would have to come up with another innovative control system that takes motion sensing to the next level, or add some other unforeseen innovation.
MiDNiGHTS
06-05-2006, 06:27
I wonder how 360 will do during this time considering they are putting all their egg's in the GoW basket if you saw that clip of Cliffy B. and Bill Gates talking to each other. They are doing pretty fine with no competition around but that seems expected. Maybe people who cant find PS3 and Wii on store shelves will check 360 out. I remember a lot of people I knew buying PSP or DS while they waited for 360 last fall.
I just can't see why nintendo is popular. Japan ate the DS right up. I don't know what so great about it. The Wii has a huge disadvantage against the PS3 in Feautres/hardware. I hope it doesn't affect the launch but if it's anything like the DS it will make a difference yes. The PS3 will sell out either way.Nintendo was a great home console back in the days of SNES and 64. After the launch of GameCube they just started recycling the same old game franchises with the same old characters, of course it was fun playing it when I was a 9 year old, but now it all looks childish, basically meant for children. Kids would definitely see the Wii as their type of console in terms of price and games.
I personally hopes that it won't affect PS3 sales. But with the price of PS3 being that high, you got to wonder wherether there will be ~1M PS fans lining up to buy PS3 in Japan at launch. Gamers who are pushed away by PS3 price will definitely buy Wii (on a side note, what a crap name for a console).
Anyway, I personally would like to see PS3 leading the way in comming gen console market. I am huge fan. I was introduced to gaming by PS1. But with all the cocky Exacs running the show, Sony might loose some ground. I hope not anyway.
Going off the topic, I just wonder why people are saying wii controller is easy to use. To me it seem too complicated. At E3 press I saw a guy demonstrating wii controller for zelda shotting arrow with wiimote. How is anyone suppose to figure out that you suppose to make that stance to make it work? And I saw tennis domo. For me if I wanted to play tennis, I will go outdoor and play there. I don't really see the point. I suppose I don't see the point of playing any sports game on your console, PS3 included. :P
MiThRaZoR
06-05-2006, 07:46
I would say yes. Especially in the Japanese market.
To me, this looks like a PSP vs DS battle. DS is oriented towards innovation. While PSP is towards the 'media center' type thing.
So Japan is gonna go crazy over the Wii. I guess that dramatically reduces the PS3s chance.
Wait, I've thought this over. There's something missing in the handheld battle that's in the console battle. Which means, most the people that will get a Wii will also get a PS3 because *drum roll please* Final Fantasy *GASP*.
Lol, so as long as the PS3 still has it's fair share of RPGs then I'm pretty sure it should do okay in Japan. Just hope those people got money.
I don’t think Nintendo have done/doing enough to shake of the ‘kiddie’ image, all those fluorescent colours and endless Mario’s make me want to vomit.
And that remote, come on you know that is going to get real old real quick!
Wii is a ’curiosity’ buy, once the novelty has worn off (1 week later) and the wii is on ebay or in the back of a cupboard gathering dust people will be back to the shops for a real next gen console. :twisted:
And that remote, come on you know that is going to get real old real quick!
No, it won't. That's what's so awesome about it :D It really works well.
MiDNiGHTS
06-05-2006, 23:47
And that remote, come on you know that is going to get real old real quick!
No, it won't. That's what's so awesome about it :D It really works well.
Well, have you actually played it yourself? Even if you tried it at E3, it was for a little while and not in your own house for long periods of time. I can see it being used in games like Zelda or Mario but that Wario game is just a series of random simple games you play using the controller which can get boring.
And that remote, come on you know that is going to get real old real quick!
No, it won't. That's what's so awesome about it :D It really works well.
Well, have you actually played it yourself? Even if you tried it at E3, it was for a little while and not in your own house for long periods of time. I can see it being used in games like Zelda or Mario but that Wario game is just a series of random simple games you play using the controller which can get boring.
I tried eight different games at E3, 10 minutes apeice.
Zelda was incredible. I was pulling off headshots.
I think the Wii will capture the spotlight this holiday season... and maybe keep it for this whole generation.
MasterThug
06-06-2006, 01:16
like most ppl say, another console launch will effect playstation3, it most definetly will, there are so many nintendo fans, and now united with xbox fans they will purchase that also,
funny thing i have a mate on wii60, hes nintendo fan, and really is pushing to bring wii and 360 together, when hes not going to buy 360 at all, or maybe if it gets chepaer, he said
, sound like to me they just wanna drop the kick on sony for good
MiDNiGHTS
06-06-2006, 02:01
like most ppl say, another console launch will effect playstation3, it most definetly will, there are so many nintendo fans, and now united with xbox fans they will purchase that also,
funny thing i have a mate on wii60, hes nintendo fan, and really is pushing to bring wii and 360 together, when hes not going to buy 360 at all, or maybe if it gets chepaer, he said
, sound like to me they just wanna drop the kick on sony for good
That is just madness, I guess everyone needs an enemy or something. Just support the console you like...dont buy a 360 because a 360+Wii can finally beat Sony or something.
FFVIICloudStrife
06-08-2006, 03:12
There is rumour that Wii will launch november the 6th.
PS3 launch date is the 17, can the Wii launching first affect the PS3. Maybe not in US and Europe but in Japan?
My take is if Wii launch first this could be bad for Sony new console in Japan. Maybe not for the early buyer but for the casual gamer Wii price can be really tempting.
Do you think sony could still hold the most market share but be 2nd in US and 2nd in Japan?
edit: sorry forgot the link
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=140881
Yes it will affect the launch, but the PS3 will still sell out!!
killzone_71
06-10-2006, 15:28
everyone knows that it will affect the ps3... mainly because its cheaper and its almost christmas time :shock:
Worst case scenario, you have a broken hand. It's raining outside. Nothing's on T.V. Your friends are out of town. No one's home, and all you have is a Wii controller where you have to move around. Pfftss... so consumer friendly, eh? :roll:Which is why we have two hands for.Don't tell me you gonna swing the direction analog controller also are you?
Zerostatic
06-20-2007, 21:04
I don't see people actually saying ''hey, for a lot less I can get this console''.. when they know the PS3 will offer more. Good Prediction . . . . . . . NOT
Panda Bear Shenyu
06-20-2007, 21:07
Good Prediction . . . . . . . NOTlol, that person you quoted sounds so stupid right about now.
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