PC gamers need not fear Consoles???

[The John]

With all the hype surrounding the upcoming release of Sony and Microsoft’s new gaming consoles, many wonder what the status of gaming PCs is. Both the PS3 and Xbox 360 are equipped with custom graphic cards from the top graphics hardware manufacturers, Nvidia and ATI respectively. Can PCs keep up?

But PC gamers need not fear: there are now Intel Dual Core systems being released to the market that provide ample boost for power hungry 3D gaming applications.

Alienware systems, one of the most recognisable companies that focus on high performance gaming PCs, feature the Intel Pentium Processor Extreme Edition 840, combining Intel Hyper-Threading technology and dual-core technology with the resources to support up to four threads simultaneously.

Other tasty additions such as dual-channel DDR-2 667 memory and options to the NVIDIA’s latest GeForce 6800 Go ULTRA and ATI’s latest Mobility RADEON X800 graphics modules can even turn laptop computers into wild computer gaming beasts!

On paper, the Playstation 3 and the Xbox 360, both designed not for standard multi-purpose computing but for graphics and video bandwidth, seem to beat even the highest specced PCs in terms of graphics performance. It is only a matter of time, though, until the PCs catch up and the new extreme video cards become available also for PCs. Right now, it seems that Alienware and their computer systems that sport funky names like “Area 51″ are right on the pulse of bleeding edge PC gaming power.

Source www.ps3focus.com

[coltde420]

I dont think pc gamers should fear at all. I personally like playing certain types of games on my PC such as fps's, but I play all my sports games on my console. The only problem with PC gaming is it can get very expensive. For example I just upgraded my PC for battlefield 2 and it cost me,memory($90),processor($120), Faster Harddrive($110), and soon to be new video card($180). So it cost me around $500 to play a game. Thats the only problem I have with PC gaming

[Banned]

For example I just upgraded my PC for battlefield 2 and it cost me,memory($90),processor($120), Faster Harddrive($110), and soon to be new video card($180). So it cost me around $500 to play a game. Thats the only problem I have with PC gaming Yeah, new hardware alone is costly, yet the newest and top-of-the-line equipment is over 1000's of dollars. :shock: Hardware developers are so competitive, the next day they could be obsolete (completely defeating their purpose), making me a little uneasy. :? In terms of power the PC's graphics cards will eat the consoles alive (dual SLI 7800GTX's), processors are waning towards nothingness compared to CELL + the X-Box360's, but by 2007 or so, the CELL processor will be released for the PC (totally owning them). :D The variety of games will be much greater on the consoles, but interactive tools on PC's will allow computer junkie to develope their own games. :idea:

[Makagoto]

For example I just upgraded my PC for battlefield 2 and it cost me,memory($90),processor($120), Faster Harddrive($110), and soon to be new video card($180). So it cost me around $500 to play a game. Thats the only problem I have with PC gaming Yeah, new hardware alone is costly, yet the newest and top-of-the-line equipment is over 1000's of dollars. :shock: Hardware developers are so competitive, the next day they could be obsolete (completely defeating their purpose), making me a little uneasy. :? In terms of power the PC's graphics cards will eat the consoles alive (dual SLI 7800GTX's), processors are waning towards nothingness compared to CELL + the X-Box360's, but by 2007 or so, the CELL processor will be released for the PC (totally owning them). :D The variety of games will be much greater on the consoles, but interactive tools on PC's will allow computer junkie to develope their own games. :idea:

it's not that easy to compare a pc to a console in terms of overall power, and sli has its own drawbacks and isn't always just twice the power.
pc will stay and has its place as consoles have theirs. pcs won't need no cell in 2007, they will see their next revolution thanks to physics-addonboards soon enough. pcs have a few big drawbacks to nextgen-consoles, which are the graphics-bus, development to a wide installed user base and the price.

[Slay]

In terms of power the PC's eventually will outperform the consoles, but that's not enough, high end equipment costs a lot of money, and you have to deal with the fact that after a year or so your 600$ VGA is obsolete, your CPU is obsolete, and you need more RAM to run the latest games at a decent framerate, that fact alone is largely responsible for the steady shrinking of the PC Gaming Market from 1998 til now, just in four years the total gross of the market nearly halved, from 1.9B $ in 2000, to 1,1B $ in 2004.
So i would say that PC gamers should fear the consoles.

[bionic_mush]

In terms of power the PC's eventually will outperform the consoles, but that's not enough, high end equipment costs a lot of money, and you have to deal with the fact that after a year or so your 600$ VGA is obsolete, your CPU is obsolete, and you need more RAM to run the latest games at a decent framerate, that fact alone is largely responsible for the steady shrinking of the PC Gaming Market from 1998 til now, just in four years the total gross of the market nearly helved, from 1.9B $ in 2000, to 1,1B $ in 2004.
So i would say that PC gamers should fear the consoles.


I only hope Sony and MS, can deliver what they´ve promissed...

So we can buy a cheap machine that blows PC´s away, but isnt that just wishfull thinking.

In that case the PC business is DOOMED..and soon we all have trown away our PC´s and the world will be rulled by consoles...if they are going to be that powerfull.

I´ve always discuss this here, grafics do matter the most but if PS3 will do everything Ken Kuta. says then even professionals will have to adopt the PS3 for work, like for CAD, servers, film industry for CG grafics,...etc.

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[Slay]

In that case the PC business is DOOMED..and soon we all have trown away our PC´s and the world will be rulled by consoles...if they are going to be that powerfull.
At the present form of the consoles, i don't think so, if at some point in time consoles start to ship with keyboard and mouse as standard then yes.
For me to build a decent computer entertainment system on a console you'll need also a HDD , so you'll put an OS into the HDD and if there is not a disk present in the drive, then the system will boot up the OS, and you can do all kind of things with it, expect for play any game, when you boot up a disk the game boots up, and you'll have just that, just the game without any OS overhead, more or less just like Amiga was.

[MATRIX 2]

Pc's must fear 360 and ps3. Where can you get that kind of hardware for that price, nowhere. With the ps3 the pc's should catch up in 4-12 months. But it will take a while with the 360 since it has so many custom features, that will not show up on pc graphic cards for a while 12-24months, depending on the market. Both aer built just for gaming , with a few extra features. Gaming pc's are not built solely for gaming, although that is their main function they have to be able to do other things, not as well designed as 360 or ps3.

[bionic_mush]

Pc's must fear 360 and ps3. Where can you get that kind of hardware for that price, nowhere. With the ps3 the pc's should catch up in 4-12 months. But it will take a while with the 360 since it has so many custom features, that will not show up on pc graphic cards for a while 12-24months, depending on the market. Both aer built just for gaming , with a few extra features. Gaming pc's are not built solely for gaming, although that is their main function they have to be able to do other things, not as well designed as 360 or ps3.

AHH !! But do you really believe that !?!?Or is it just Sony And MS marketing in action ?!

I think so, the consoles will be GREAT for the price, but they will never outperform TOP gaming PC´s, dont get me wrong , if i can get such hardware for that price !! i´ll be very happy :D , but it wont be very different from what PC´s can do now, and thats what SONY is selling to us...i have a lot of doubts(not very convinced).

OH, and dont forget, developers will say anything to keep in business.
Unless u are that guy from Tomb Raider, in thaat case u just shooting your feet.

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[hoverbike]

I´ve always discuss this here, grafics do matter the most

Only if the graphics are horrible. I like Gameplay better.

The PC gaming has alot to worry about but overall that's it.

[bionic_mush]

I´ve always discuss this here, grafics do matter the most

Only if the graphics are horrible. I like Gameplay better.

The PC gaming has alot to worry about but overall that's it.


Yes !! But gameplay is like storyline, meaning, u can work around that easily, but bad grafics are unbearable.U dont even waste a second(i dont, at least).

I hope pc´s will have a hard time , that will mean consoles are going to be great and secondly PC manufactures will have somehow drop their prices dramatically to be competitive(if consoles are all that powerful).

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[MATRIX 2]

I personally believe that the ps3 and 360 will have better graphics than todays stock computers.(No overclocking on anything). Although I am not sure about 2 7800gtx in sli.

[bionic_mush]

I personally believe that the ps3 and 360 will have better graphics than todays stock computers.(No overclocking on anything). Although I am not sure about 2 7800gtx in sli.

Yes, thats what i meant.

If so MS and specially SONY, would be saying to us to sell our PC´s because the next gen are supercomputers and therefor u do not need them anymore.And maybe even NASA will have to change their hardware to ps3´S because it will be alot cheaper now to have super computers. :lol:

its almost like religion , and KEn Kutaragi is the messias.

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[DeputyDon]

I´ve always discuss this here, grafics do matter the most

Only if the graphics are horrible. I like Gameplay better.

The PC gaming has alot to worry about but overall that's it.


Yes !! But gameplay is like storyline, meaning, u can work around that easily, but bad grafics are unbearable.U dont even waste a second(i dont, at least).

I hope pc´s will have a hard time , that will mean consoles are going to be great and secondly PC manufactures will have somehow drop their prices dramatically to be competitive(if consoles are all that powerful).

PEACE

There are people that play Counter Strike 1.6 still and those graphics are very dated. Yet because of how fun the gameplay is they still play it. People play Super Mario Bros still, There is tons of emulation sites where people would rather download old PSX games than play most of the crappy newer games.

Graphics mean the most to the people that RARELY play games. But to the people that play them all the time, gameplay is the more important thing. Why do you think people choose the PS2 over the Xbox even though the graphics are obviously better on the Xbox.

The games pretty much all suck for xbox IMO. Halo is usually the only Xbox game I hear about and thats not even that great.

[bionic_mush]

I´ve always discuss this here, grafics do matter the most

Only if the graphics are horrible. I like Gameplay better.

The PC gaming has alot to worry about but overall that's it.


Yes !! But gameplay is like storyline, meaning, u can work around that easily, but bad grafics are unbearable.U dont even waste a second(i dont, at least).

I hope pc´s will have a hard time , that will mean consoles are going to be great and secondly PC manufactures will have somehow drop their prices dramatically to be competitive(if consoles are all that powerful).

PEACE

There are people that play Counter Strike 1.6 still and those graphics are very dated. Yet because of how fun the gameplay is they still play it. People play Super Mario Bros still, There is tons of emulation sites where people would rather download old PSX games than play most of the crappy newer games.

Graphics mean the most to the people that RARELY play games. But to the people that play them all the time, gameplay is the more important thing. Why do you think people choose the PS2 over the Xbox even though the graphics are obviously better on the Xbox.

The games pretty much all suck for xbox IMO. Halo is usually the only Xbox game I hear about and thats not even that great.

Who !? only players that didnt get halflife2, and even those can play CS 1.6 with the upgraded grafics very "easely".

Grafics mean the most to people who plays(trys) almost every game, because really, in these days if u cant beat a game in ..lets say a week. U soon will find something new. At least i do, and since i do have other intrests than games i also have to find time for that.

I sold my PS2 a long time ago, because the PC releases are getting better and better...and the titles are more to my taste...oh and grafics to:wink: .

XBOX is a noisy, heavy, big machine to have in your living room, instead u have the Ps2 wich is much smaller and silent..and a cooler look.

But the games were the reason that made people chose the ps2 over the xbox,because the exclusives were much better, that and the price (xbox was always more expensive than ps2, at least in this parts).

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[DeputyDon]

A lot of people hate Counter Strike: Source and choose 1.6 or condition Zero over it. Half-Life 2 Deathmatch is the exact same thing as Half-Life deathmatch except better graphics/weapons. So that explains why they would choose Half-Life 2 over 1.

I already said that people bought the PS2 over the xbox because of the games it had, even though they weren't better graphically. So you basically said what I said.


Grafics mean the most to people who plays(trys) almost every game, because really, in these days if u cant beat a game in ..lets say a week. U soon will find something new. At least i do, and since i do have other intrests than games i also have to find time for that.

People talk about how FF7 is the best FF game, even though the graphics suck nowadays. Yet they still play it over FF10.

I don't think that people change the game they are playing if you can't beat it in a week because of graphics. They probably stop because they are stuck on a part of it and just gave up.

I'll go along with you for a second. Okay lets just say PS3 has better graphics but it takes the path that the xbox did this year and has crappy games with great graphics. Whereas Xbox 360 will have slightly worse graphics but has great games with amazing storylines. The 360 will definitely sell more than the ps3.

So you like graphics over gameplay. While some choose gameplay over Graphics.

Killzone probably the best graphics on the PS2 but lets face it, overall the gameplay was bad. It had a boring storyline, it lagged a lot. It had lots of glitches. You fought pretty much the same type of enemies the entire game which also got boring. Yet the graphics were good.

[bionic_mush]

A lot of people hate Counter Strike: Source and choose 1.6 or condition Zero over it. Half-Life 2 Deathmatch is the exact same thing as Half-Life deathmatch except better graphics/weapons. So that explains why they would choose Half-Life 2 over 1.

I already said that people bought the PS2 over the xbox because of the games it had, even though they weren't better graphically. So you basically said what I said.


Grafics mean the most to people who plays(trys) almost every game, because really, in these days if u cant beat a game in ..lets say a week. U soon will find something new. At least i do, and since i do have other intrests than games i also have to find time for that.

People talk about how FF7 is the best FF game, even though the graphics suck nowadays. Yet they still play it over FF10.

I don't think that people change the game they are playing if you can't beat it in a week because of graphics. They probably stop because they are stuck on a part of it and just gave up.

I'll go along with you for a second. Okay lets just say PS3 has better graphics but it takes the path that the xbox did this year and has crappy games with great graphics. Whereas Xbox 360 will have slightly worse graphics but has great games with amazing storylines. The 360 will definitely sell more than the ps3.

So you like graphics over gameplay. While some choose gameplay over Graphics.

Killzone probably the best graphics on the PS2 but lets face it, overall the gameplay was bad. It had a boring storyline, it lagged a lot. It had lots of glitches. You fought pretty much the same type of enemies the entire game which also got boring. Yet the graphics were good.

I just was trying to say that with the amount of games released
every year, if find it very hard to keep playing the same titles over a long period of time .

I for instance, try almost every game i can get my hands on , but find hard to finish the games that take to long to finnish(even if they have good grafics), because soon i´ll have something new that i want to try.

The game has to be overwhelming, in the sense that it must be beautifull to watch, and get forzen to the screen(forgeting to sleep and eat until u finnish).

I loved finnishing Halflife2, Area 51, Farcry,...top 3 FPS to me, because they warent to frustrating.

About Killzone 2....I just say one thing. Did u see the footage from KillingDay ?! Just great !! Beautifull !!Sweet !! But u could clearly see the gap between the 2(probably not in the characters face, but in the textures of the surroundings !!).

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[The Chocobo Kid]

pc are pc. not a gaming system. I never worry about that because it's not going to be bad.

[CompGeek]

Take a look at F.E.A.R. boys and girls, consoles will be thoroughly last gen in 1 year when we have the next gen of games after FEAR and COD2. SO consoles may be cheaper but if you have a good job PC Gaming is the way to go, besides, those 360 packages are up near (and over) $1000

[hoverbike]

besides, those 360 packages are up near (and over) $1000
I never heard that one but if it's true then not very many people will get those packs. You haven't been here in a month.

[don_milz]

Have any of the other Eds noticed that the score/comments for Online play don't actually render on the Live page? It's a field in the CMS, but doesn't show up on the site (see the Full Auto 2 review - it has an Online section in the CMS).

Is this intentional or a bug?

[BustenRhymes7790]

I'd put ths in the general section so people see it. My guess is it will be addressed in V2 of the site however.