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No cameras or "technology" allowed at Project Natal Experience. You have to ask why.
http://twitter.com/Digital_Foundry/status/13416929099
from Digital Foundry twitter page.
Dasimpse
05-05-2010, 13:55
Is this at e3???
Is this at e3???
yeah its at the E3 Natal event. here is another story on it.
Microsoft has said that it will not allow video or photography at its "technology-free" pre-E3 Project Natal showcase, taking place on the Sunday before the big event.
The move is likely to raise eyebrows of those questioning the motion control technology and its reaction time – Lionhead's Peter Molyneux recently told GamesIndustry.biz that he was frustrated (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/molyneux-natal-improvements-are-countless) that the tech has gone through so many iterations but Microsoft has still only shown last year's E3 demos to press and various taste-makers.
The Sunday night event is separate from Microsoft's E3 show on Monday June 14, and is intended to showcase the universal appeal (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/microsoft-plans-natal-blitz-at-e3) of Project Natal at the 10,000 capacity Galen Centre in Los Angeles.
It's expected the platform holder will reveal new software from first and third-party partners, as it looks to get the upper hand ahead of Sony's conference on Tuesday 15, where the rival Move controller is likely to take centre stage
Impressions of Project Natal from last year's Gamescom event can be seen over on Eurogamer's Digital Foundry (http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digital-foundry-vs-project-natal-article) blog.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/no-video-allowed-at-natal-e3-showcase
SixAxisRumble
05-05-2010, 14:20
yeah its at the E3 Natal event. here is another story on it.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/no-video-allowed-at-natal-e3-showcase
Pre E3 event that says not at E3
Pre E3 event that says not at E3
It's the Natal event associated with E3; saying E3 Natal event is still correct.
SixAxisRumble
05-05-2010, 14:27
It's the Natal event associated with E3; saying E3 Natal event is still correct.
Microsoft has said that it will not allow video or photography at its "technology-free" pre-E3 Project Natal showcase, taking place on the Sunday before the big event.
Microsoft has said that it will not allow video or photography at its "technology-free" pre-E3 Project Natal showcase, taking place on the Sunday before the big event.
To be honest all of the events from MS and Sony are pre-E3 as they are done away from E3 event center and before E3 even starts. Your point is pretty much not a point and just nit picky non-sense.
Dasimpse
05-05-2010, 14:35
Well we will hear about it no matter what. I don't think there is anything negative to be taken from it. In onq's context I was fully ready to be like " oh dang natal is bussst" but I read the full one and it's probably more to do with them wanting to make an impact world wide on the main event
Well we will hear about it no matter what. I don't think there is anything negative to be taken from it. In onq's context I was fully ready to be like " oh dang natal is bussst" but I read the full one and it's probably more to do with them wanting to make an impact world wide on the main event
Thats my guess as well, they just wanna control how the info flows out of the event. Its not like its the first time a company has done a "closed door" event like this.
Dave-The-Rave
05-05-2010, 14:39
Because as we have all seen it isn't living up to the bull-hype Microsoft created.
Because as we have all seen it isn't living up to the bull-hype Microsoft created.
No, it is because they haven't shown things that people believe this...
I am guessing they only show that stupid ball game and the certain tech demos because they want to drop the big bombs at the pre-E3, and E3 events.
I have a feeling they are holding back, and for once in a company's life, being able to control the leaks of information a little better concerning how it is performing and what software is coming.
Just look at all the MOVE information and vids available... there isn't going to be much surprise at E3 other than titles IMO. We have seen a majority of what it is good for already.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's having problems. I think that the blackout is probably done so they can keep misinformation being released, and so they can have a bang at E3.
No, it is because they haven't shown things that people believe this...
I am guessing they only show that stupid ball game and the certain tech demos because they want to drop the big bombs at the pre-E3, and E3 events.
I have a feeling they are holding back, and for once in a company's life, being able to control the leaks of information a little better concerning how it is performing and what software is coming.
Just look at all the MOVE information and vids available... there isn't going to be much surprise at E3 other than titles IMO. We have seen a majority of what it is good for already.
I kind of think that the event will be leaked one way or another there is enough people out there that just dont give a **** about rules. Wasn't it last year and the year before they had people sneaking into the rehearsal for the events and pretty much leaking the whole show
Yeah AG... I just think MS really wants this to be big, hence no other real tech demos being shown.
Think of the wow factor if they drop a new set of software, without the small lag being shown now?
What if Milo is working?
So far, since MS hasn't really shown their hand so to speak, they have the ability to really make a showing.
Yeah AG... I just think MS really wants this to be big, hence no other real tech demos being shown.
Think of the wow factor if they drop a new set of software, without the small lag being shown now?
What if Milo is working?
So far, since MS hasn't really shown their hand so to speak, they have the ability to really make a showing.
I agree, I hope it works out for them, seems most of this never does so color me the pessimist on any platform holder keeping secrets lol
darksora
05-05-2010, 15:00
is this the second conference thing that microsoft had planned to be natal only?
or is it a different event?
Galvanise_
05-05-2010, 15:03
Well news will still get out.
We won't be seeing any 'core' games that exclusively use Natal from Microsoft, so its likely just the casual line up they have developed. The core games will likely just have optional implementation for grenade throws and voice commands etc.
The 3rd party stuff could be interesting to 'core' gamers though. I wonder what they've all came up with.
The news will get out, yes, but they are concentrating on not letting it get out BEFORE the event... IMO. Hence the lack of any real Natal information.
All we have with the 100's of threads on our boards is conjecture about some vague tech demos and shaky cam footage!
I am interested more in this E3 than any of past because of Move and Natal!
Galvanise_
05-05-2010, 15:13
The news will get out, yes, but they are concentrating on not letting it get out BEFORE the event... IMO. Hence the lack of any real Natal information.
All we have with the 100's of threads on our boards is conjecture about some vague tech demos and shaky cam footage!
I am interested more in this E3 than any of past because of Move and Natal!
I'm looking forward to E3 more than last year, but not because of the motion controllers. Sure, I'll get them, but I know there is other stuff being announced that'll send a few shockwaves. :mrgreen:
I hope the menu navigation is slick. I want it to be as seamless as possible.
k.cuthbertson
05-05-2010, 15:23
The news will get out, yes, but they are concentrating on not letting it get out BEFORE the event... IMO. Hence the lack of any real Natal information.
All we have with the 100's of threads on our boards is conjecture about some vague tech demos and shaky cam footage!
I am interested more in this E3 than any of past because of Move and Natal!
Well I guarantee that the day the "pre" event is over people are going to blog/tell what was seen. The only thing we won't see are videos. Unless they're two completely different set up's, which I doubt, we'll mostly know what's coming for natal during E3.
Staticneuron
05-05-2010, 15:39
I wouldn't be surprised if it's having problems. I think that the blackout is probably done so they can keep misinformation being released, and so they can have a bang at E3.
No info is better than Misinfo.
I will wait to see what they have to show us. People forget that E3 is still a tradeshow. It has changed over the years because of its popularity, but it is still an industry event.
So the only thing MS has show up til this point is tech demos from last E3?
So the only thing MS has show up til this point is tech demos from last E3?
As far as I've seen, yep. Which has been extremely discouraging and really put this off my radar.
Bostonmess
05-05-2010, 16:28
I thought MS were always like this? Cards close to their moobs.
When was and what was the latest word from people who've seen it?
Well news will still get out.
We won't be seeing any 'core' games that exclusively use Natal from Microsoft, so its likely just the casual line up they have developed. The core games will likely just have optional implementation for grenade throws and voice commands etc.
The 3rd party stuff could be interesting to 'core' gamers though. I wonder what they've all came up with.
If now cameras aloowed there, then you will be seeing this things at the E3 Press conference for sure.
I would say they just dont want leaks.
The pre-E3 event will be a embargod review I would say, so no photos just gives them stricter controll.
From what I can understand, this is simply hands on time with the tech they will be publicly showing at the E3 conference, but not necessarily on the show room floor.
Its simply a tming thing, they could have held this event after E3 conference, and cameras would have been allowed I'd bet.
However doing it this way, and lfiting the embargo straight after the E3 conference, give them more punhc.
They can annouce "this game" and reviews can post their impresisons almost immediatly, unlike the normal "we will have more info on the new natal game when we get a chance to get our hands on it later on today/tomorrow/sometime this week" speil we normally get.
My guess is both Sony and MS will be showing off what third party support has done. Sony actually will probably show a lot more than what they've shown and the same with MS. They'll be the first to show off the Tiger Woods Golf on Move, and I'm sure MS will be showing off some 3rd party stuff as well.
Expect EA to come onto the Sony stage to show off Tiger Woods. That's almost a 100% guarantee. I'd expect MS to have Rare show what they're doing along with maybe some sort of 3rd party tie in with a skateboard game like Skate or something else.
If people think Sony is done showing what they have in store with Move, they'll be surprised. If people think MS is just going to show Dodgeball, I think they'll be surprised as well. :)
I will say this though. If for some reason MS just shows the same tech demo and any smoke and mirrors with a newer demo without people having full hands on with the newer demos, Natal will be releasing in 2011. It's getting too close to be on the same stuff people thought they had nailed down a year ago.
My guess is both Sony and MS will be showing off what third party support has done. Sony actually will probably show a lot more than what they've shown and the same with MS. They'll be the first to show off the Tiger Woods Golf on Move, and I'm sure MS will be showing off some 3rd party stuff as well.
Expect EA to come onto the Sony stage to show off Tiger Woods. That's almost a 100% guarantee. I'd expect MS to have Rare show what they're doing along with maybe some sort of 3rd party tie in with a skateboard game like Skate or something else.
If people think Sony is done showing what they have in store with Move, they'll be surprised. If people think MS is just going to show Dodgeball, I think they'll be surprised as well. :)
I will say this though. If for some reason MS just shows the same tech demo and any smoke and mirrors with a newer demo without people having full hands on with the newer demos, Natal will be releasing in 2011. It's getting too close to be on the same stuff people thought they had nailed down a year ago.
I would imagine the pre-e3 Natal event would be fariy short if that was the case :)
I actually think you'll see EA walk out onto the Natal stage to be honest.
They have already annouced TW for the move.
Dont forget Speilberg ;)
higgos22
05-07-2010, 06:23
Maybe Microsoft trying too make it look not so great and saying this possibly they want to give impression it will interfere with Natal camera and stops people showing footage of it to outside worl then at E3
BAM! it works and is good
Bligmerk
05-07-2010, 06:50
This is a really odd location for this kind of event. Galen Center is the basketball stadium for the University of Southern California.
http://www.stubhub.com/data/venue_maps/66282/stubhub_77109_ncaa_USC_Trojans_Basketball_SM2.png
So, what are they going to do? Have demonstrations down on the basketball court and have people watch what is going on with the big screen displays? And do they really think they need a stadium for 10,000 people? And the "technology" obviously refers to cell phones with cameras. What are they going to do, pat everybody down that comes in and confiscate cell phones if it has a video camera? The whole thing sounds bizarre.
rblover69
05-07-2010, 07:03
lag and innaccuracy from what im hearing are the reasons there demoing new types of games that arnt 100%. Sony however is flaunting theres preety damn hard...not such good PR for Natal thus far since the shared system resource setup
The Sith
05-07-2010, 07:24
lag and innaccuracy from what im hearing are the reasons there demoing new types of games that arnt 100%. Sony however is flaunting theres preety damn hard...not such good PR for Natal thus far since the shared system resource setup
maybe to you there's no good PR but to millions it's the best thing since slice bread.
Dasimpse
05-07-2010, 07:29
lag and innaccuracy from what im hearing are the reasons there demoing new types of games that arnt 100%. Sony however is flaunting theres preety damn hard...not such good PR for Natal thus far since the shared system resource setup
bad pr? lol the pr for natal is insane, its been everywhere. as for consumer hype, the company i work for has started "taking interest" for both natal and move and sorry to say but move is getting SMOKED by probably twice as many sign ups country wide
Well we will hear about it no matter what. I don't think there is anything negative to be taken from it. In onq's context I was fully ready to be like " oh dang natal is bussst" but I read the full one and it's probably more to do with them wanting to make an impact world wide on the main event
Ya I imagine it's so the people who go to this event will talk about it and raise interest for the demo whenever E3 does arrive.
This is a really odd location for this kind of event. Galen Center is the basketball stadium for the University of Southern California.
http://www.stubhub.com/data/venue_maps/66282/stubhub_77109_ncaa_USC_Trojans_Basketball_SM2.png
So, what are they going to do? Have demonstrations down on the basketball court and have people watch what is going on with the big screen displays? And do they really think they need a stadium for 10,000 people? And the "technology" obviously refers to cell phones with cameras. What are they going to do, pat everybody down that comes in and confiscate cell phones if it has a video camera? The whole thing sounds bizarre.
Since it's around the time for university graduations they may already have chairs set up (for various pre-graduation activities) that they will use to sit everyone. It doesn't automatically mean they're going to fill it and do some crazy big demonstration. There's been low-key events at the United Spirit Arena here at Texas Tech where they setup chairs and a stage on the court, usually for speeches and such.
And yes, they may pat people down. Or at least ask for their cellphones. I know that at the White House cabinet members will have to put their cellphones in baskets outside the meeting room.
All just guesses though. Only time will tell what's really going to happen.
well you have to love being MS! even the fact that they said no cameras has created a big buzz.
Update: Microsoft’s just sent VG247 a statement on the matter. It reads:
“No, this event is a “technology free” event designed for you to come and enjoy yourself. Please leave your technology at home, no photography or video allowed. Visual assets will be provided following the event.”
Original: Anyone hoping for a live-stream of Microsoft’s pre-E3 event on Project Natal? You’re getting nada.
The firm’s sent out invites for press attending the event, but MS is keen to promote the show as a “technology-free” event, saying that no video or photography will be allowed at the event.
It now means the company’s main presser the night after the Natal event, which takes place on June 14 from 10am PST (6pm BST), will most likely be when we get to see a major blowout on the motion camera.
It also brings up concerns on the latency of the tech, which has come into serious doubt since Gamescom last August in Cologne, when it was shown off at the event to journalists.
Thanks, GI.
http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/05/video-or-photography-not-allowed-at-ms-natal-e3-event/
Sehr interresant, ja?
Aww chucks no more ricochet videos oh bummer.
did you know that the Game Boy can play games in color now?
http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241243
higgos22
05-08-2010, 04:23
^^I thought that was spam but looked at link....
And Yeh there is a thread already but Microsoft probably wanna reveal how far it come with like a bang at E3 no pre show footage
radgamer420
05-08-2010, 04:32
Already posted here.
http://www2.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?t=241243
YouTube- review 4
maybe this is the reason they don't want cameras there?
it wasn't tracking him too well but he still was having fun.
I don't think people will really care about the lag & missteps. only us internet posters will talk about it.
(as I get ready to make a gif of that crazy arm movement)
http://i41.tinypic.com/jht3q8.jpg
Fiddlesworth
05-08-2010, 11:44
I don't think people will really care about the lag & missteps.
Lord help us all if people are ok with a games controller that doesn't do what they expect with 100% reliability. :(
Lord help us all if people are ok with a games controller that doesn't do what they expect with 100% reliability. :(
http://watchitguide.net/guide/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Nintendo-Wii.jpg
70 Million Strong
And
Growing!
Galvanise_
05-08-2010, 14:34
http://www.vg247.com/2010/05/05/video-or-photography-not-allowed-at-ms-natal-e3-event/
Sehr interresant, ja?
I don't buy their explanation at all. I think its so that the demos that will be shown at the conference the next day will be filmed and carefully controlled. I'm still hearing things about the camera being sometimes unreliable. After the 'BAM!' mis-step last year I think Microsoft will want everything to look hunky-dorey.
I don't buy their explanation at all. I think its so that the demos that will be shown at the conference the next day will be filmed and carefully controlled. I'm still hearing things about the camera being sometimes unreliable. After the 'BAM!' mis-step last year I think Microsoft will want everything to look hunky-dorey.
are you hearing this from Devs?
I'm starting to think that the Prime Sense Camera might not be as good as a Time of Flight Camera
YouTube- Omek Interactive Demo
rblover69
05-08-2010, 18:14
maybe to you there's no good PR but to millions it's the best thing since slice bread.
to generalize millions of peoples intrest about this is utter nonsense. What poll was taken to validate this . Cmon man lol...:bang:
rblover69
05-08-2010, 18:16
http://watchitguide.net/guide/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Nintendo-Wii.jpg
70 Million Strong
Third party support dwindeling if its not the DS..and growing...the wii has more relation to a toaster or a playschool object rather then anything related to a 360 or PS3..
And
Growing!
Fiddlesworth
05-08-2010, 18:54
At least the Wii's consistent! :p
rblover69
05-08-2010, 23:07
At least the Wii's consistent! :p
consistant with shovel ware
Galvanise_
05-08-2010, 23:10
are you hearing this from Devs?
Two development teams. One has had a particular trouble with the camera and the other one has had smaller, though annoying problems every step of the way. Certain genres are harder after all.
Two development teams. One has had a particular trouble with the camera and the other one has had smaller, though annoying problems every step of the way. Certain genres are harder after all.
I read about the troubles I was just wondering if you was hearing this direct from the Devs.
radgamer420
05-08-2010, 23:35
After the big Milo fiasco I guess MS wants to keep a lid on things. Personally I Think Sony has shown some cool games for Move. All I've seen for NATAL is that game where youre kicking balls around and Milo (which turned out to be pretty much fake if I remember right). I'm not much of a fan of motion control at all but the stuff Sony has shown for Move does seem to be more appealing imo. MS better show something special at E3 for NATAL.
Galvanise_
05-08-2010, 23:41
I read about the troubles I was just wondering if you was hearing this direct from the Devs.
The one that had trouble every step of the way, yes, I heard that directly from a developer. The other teams troubles were told to me by someone not associated with the company.
Some developers have had no problems at all. It all depends on how integrated they want the camera into their games.
The one that had trouble every step of the way, yes, I heard that directly from a developer. The other teams troubles were told to me by someone not associated with the company.
Some developers have had no problems at all. It all depends on how integrated they want the camera into their games.
ok just wondering.
I think devs should start off smaller with Natal then work there way up with the game so that they work, and not try to impress everyone with what they are trying to do (but not really working well).
unlike the PlayStation Move that everyone know it works but need to be pushed hard by the Devs to do something to impress everyone.
Galvanise_
05-09-2010, 00:26
ok just wondering.
I think devs should start off smaller with Natal then work there way up with the game so that they work, and not try to impress everyone with what they are trying to do (but not really working well).
unlike the PlayStation Move that everyone know it works but need to be pushed hard by the Devs to do something to impress everyone.
I think Natal might surprise us by just how many people are working with it. There is a lot of talk from developers about how awesome it will be, but if that doesn't translate into many developers working on it, it would kind of deflate the hype.
I think Natal might surprise us by just how many people are working with it. There is a lot of talk from developers about how awesome it will be, but if that doesn't translate into many developers working on it, it would kind of deflate the hype.
I thought I heard 70 or something like that but it will be like 14 games around the time it comes out.
The Sith
05-09-2010, 02:41
to generalize millions of peoples intrest about this is utter nonsense. What poll was taken to validate this . Cmon man lol...:bang:
your comments in this thread are irrational.Its no secret about your hatred and anger.towards MS....you and Fiddlesworth are only here to troll this thread with negatives. The PS3 wand or move is basically a rip off of the wii lol cmon man can you validate that.:bang:
your comments in this thread are irrational.Its no secret about your hatred and anger.towards MS....you and Fiddlesworth are only here to troll this thread with negatives. The PS3 wand or move is basically a rip off of the wii lol cmon man can you validate that.:bang:
YouTube- Wii didn't start the fire ( PlayStation Move history lesson)
YouTube- Sony PS2 Motion Controller 5 years ago (2004)
Wrong Richard Marks was working on this way before the Wii came out.
this is way above the Wii. I think you better take a look at what the PS-Move can do the Wii is nothing like this
YouTube- Wii didn't start the fire ( PlayStation Move history lesson) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK7AF8_1f7Y)
YouTube- Sony PS2 Motion Controller 5 years ago (2004) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ)
Wrong Richard Marks was working on this way before the Wii came out.
this is way above the Wii. I think you better take a look at what the PS-Move can do the Wii is nothing like this
The public doesn't know this though.
rblover69
05-09-2010, 06:42
The public doesn't know this though.
agreed the move is far beyond the wii in terms of technology..people often get caught up in the aesthetics of how it looks, but beyond that the flattery ends there, its far more advanced. As natal isnt a new concept aswell either its been out but , i believe there fatal mistake was allowing the 360 the burden of processing the information that natal is producing instead of a dedicated processor..the 360 just may not be the optium platform considering its processor for that type of function in the instance of high quality games like Gears 2 etc....since 30% of system resources have to be given off, and its no where near as effecient like the Move is with ps3 because he cell is far more suited for these type of processes. Intresting technologies, i would put sonys in first for specs reguarding tech and actual functionality wii second and natal last.....natal is phenominal for casual games...but lets be serious no FPS nor advanced fighting game will benefit from a natal based system nor be as accurate as a in hand accelramoter/gyro color traced unit in true 3D space.....
But its all great for gaming non the less.
Dasimpse
05-09-2010, 06:43
YouTube- Wii didn't start the fire ( PlayStation Move history lesson) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KK7AF8_1f7Y)
YouTube- Sony PS2 Motion Controller 5 years ago (2004) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbSzmRt7HhQ)
Wrong Richard Marks was working on this way before the Wii came out.
this is way above the Wii. I think you better take a look at what the PS-Move can do the Wii is nothing like this
there is one thing to work on things and another to have the balls and vision to create it and market it to the world. Sony showed know signs of marketing or for having any interest in marks technology before the wii had fully penetrated the world.
Members of sony even tried to downplay and insult the wii by saying its remote looked like a lollipop etc.......i don't know what move must look like to them.
I am actually hyped for move tho, it would be an amazing tool for me to make tracks on modnation racers etc. thats where i see it shine.
I am just trying to point out, someone could have a video of a guy sat in a pub drunk talking about a wii remote and the idea of a wii, but if he didnt patent it and work out a way to market it and make a mass of public awareness and hype etc its his loss. You say that marks was working on it 6 years ago. Well there was obviousley some japanese people, or person witha similar idea working on it around that time that actually managed to get it out there.
This is my only problem with sony this generation. I used to love the kids buzz games etc last gen, they have only just realised they had this awesome catalogue and everything this gen. Singstar, buzz etc have been totally forgotten about this generation. They even got rid of that british guy who pushed all that stuff, i thought he was a great speaker for sony aswell.
AS for natal, lots of companys do this when they want to control what gets leaked to the community and the world. Look at the demo's of toy story 3 and their new game, no tech allowed AT ALL!
i think natal isnt going to be as accurate this generation but it is the foundation. IF ms can lock the tech down and keep working on the software we will constantly see improvements. LIKE onq has said, kids are not gonna be too bothered about whats going on, and more serious games probably won't have an avatar on the screen to show you the cameras mistakes, aslong as it tracks the right input for you then thats fine
there is one thing to work on things and another to have the balls and vision to create it and market it to the world. Sony showed know signs of marketing or for having any interest in marks technology before the wii had fully penetrated the world.
Members of sony even tried to downplay and insult the wii by saying its remote looked like a lollipop etc.......i don't know what move must look like to them.
I am actually hyped for move tho, it would be an amazing tool for me to make tracks on modnation racers etc. thats where i see it shine.
I am just trying to point out, someone could have a video of a guy sat in a pub drunk talking about a wii remote and the idea of a wii, but if he didnt patent it and work out a way to market it and make a mass of public awareness and hype etc its his loss. You say that marks was working on it 6 years ago. Well there was obviousley some japanese people, or person witha similar idea working on it around that time that actually managed to get it out there.
This is my only problem with sony this generation. I used to love the kids buzz games etc last gen, they have only just realised they had this awesome catalogue and everything this gen. Singstar, buzz etc have been totally forgotten about this generation. They even got rid of that british guy who pushed all that stuff, i thought he was a great speaker for sony aswell.
AS for natal, lots of companys do this when they want to control what gets leaked to the community and the world. Look at the demo's of toy story 3 and their new game, no tech allowed AT ALL!
i think natal isnt going to be as accurate this generation but it is the foundation. IF ms can lock the tech down and keep working on the software we will constantly see improvements. LIKE onq has said, kids are not gonna be too bothered about whats going on, and more serious games probably won't have an avatar on the screen to show you the cameras mistakes, aslong as it tracks the right input for you then thats fine
YouTube- Ps3 tech temo
you think they would have him showing stuff at E3 if they had no interest in his technology?
Sony was doing a lot to get the price down on the PS3 if they would have came out with this and added a even higher price to the PS3 a few years ago it wouldn't have made it out the gate.
they had the patents and everything it was a matter of timing, price and having the Tech perfect.
people don't even know that the PS3 was going to use a 3D depth camera instead of the PS-Eye as the next EyeToy but they looked at the price and performance and decided to go with the PS-Eye and Move Setup.
YouTube- eye toy PS3 [HQ]
YouTube- AMAZING PS3 EYE TOY FOOTAGE
this wasn't done with the PS-Eye, it was a 3D depth Cam like Natal, look at everything that happens in this video,
Notice how the butterfly went behind the little girls head and the pet ran up her arm? & notice how the guy reached back to pull the menu up front? and the face recognition? the virtual green screen? controlling the Avatars?
Basically Sony demoed Natal for me because I can look at those videos and think of the things natal can do.
it takes a lot of planing before you just jump into something and Sony was already losing money so they had to take their time and plan they couldn't just come out with a motion controller just because they had the tech, they had to wait for the price to be right to put a lot of money into it and be able to make the money back.
they showed the tech but didn't get enough of a buzz from it to justify the price it would cost to bring it out at the time.
<sighs> Another Natal vs Move thread.
<sighs> Another Natal vs Move thread.
Nope!
Well in that case then, you all gone well of topic.
Well in that case then, you all gone well of topic.
no I have not! if you read the thread instead of looking at the videos and jumping to conclusions you would see what I was responding to.
and you would see that it isn't a Natal vs Move thread.
no I have not! if you read the thread instead of looking at the videos and jumping to conclusions you would see what I was responding to.
and you would see that it isn't a Natal vs Move thread.
"you all" = not just you, and I understand you are replying to something else.
Not pointing to you at all specifically.
"you all" = not just you, and I understand you are replying to something else.
Not pointing to you at all specifically.
really there isn't much more to say about the subject. everyone has already talked about why they think MS might be keeping cameras out of the event.
really there isn't much more to say about the subject. everyone has already talked about why they think MS might be keeping cameras out of the event.
O I know why they have kept cameras out, they have a secret weapon they arent willing to show off just yet....
http://blog.timesunion.com/tech/files/2009/10/powerglove.jpg
O I know why they have kept cameras out, they have a secret weapon they arent willing to show off just yet....
http://blog.timesunion.com/tech/files/2009/10/powerglove.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDJw4VbiagA/SeIJuZoJfhI/AAAAAAAACW0/fazPkmN9fVM/s400/reflective-tape1.jpg
reflective tape at the finger tips of gloves would make natal better at tracking your hand movement.
but are you just talking or do you know something?
Edit:
http://www.mechbgon.com/visibility/class3vest.jpg
and I also know that if I show up to the Event with one of these on it's going to freak Natal out! lol
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gDJw4VbiagA/SeIJuZoJfhI/AAAAAAAACW0/fazPkmN9fVM/s400/reflective-tape1.jpg
reflective tape at the finger tips of gloves would make natal better at tracking your hand movement.
but are you just talking or do you know something?
I know nothing. Or do I?
No really, I know nothing.
It's just MS being over protective of leaks prior to E3.
I know nothing. Or do I?
No really, I know nothing.
It's just MS being over protective of leaks prior to E3.
ok but is they wanted Natal to track fingers all they have to do is make gloves with reflective finger tips. but then again natal is sending out a lot of IR and the reflexing might be too much.
Fiddlesworth
05-09-2010, 13:07
there is one thing to work on things and another to have the balls and vision to create it and market it to the world. Sony showed know signs of marketing or for having any interest in marks technology before the wii had fully penetrated the world.
You might want to look into the tech that Mark's has had his hand in.
Members of sony even tried to downplay and insult the wii by saying its remote looked like a lollipop etc.......i don't know what move must look like to them.
You invented this idea but if they've taken swipes at the quality of the Wii's motion control, is that unjustified?
This is my only problem with sony this generation. I used to love the kids buzz games etc last gen, they have only just realised they had this awesome catalogue and everything this gen. Singstar, buzz etc have been totally forgotten about this generation. They even got rid of that british guy who pushed all that stuff, i thought he was a great speaker for sony aswell.
Phil Harrison left to build up Atari, he wasn't kicked out. SingStar's had a dozen or so different themed Blu-ray PS3 releases already, BUZZ! a couple of Blu-ray releases and couple of PSN upgraded ports of the PS2 kids games I think. These casual titles are more popular in Europe now, just as they were on PS2. Not sure how they've been forgotten and how SCE's just realised they have an awesome catalogue.
You might want to look into the tech that Mark's has had his hand in.
You invented this idea but if they've taken swipes at the quality of the Wii's motion control, is that unjustified?
Phil Harrison left to build up Atari, he wasn't kicked out. SingStar's had a dozen or so different themed Blu-ray PS3 releases already, BUZZ! a couple of Blu-ray releases and couple of PSN upgraded ports of the PS2 kids games I think. These casual titles are more popular in Europe now, just as they were on PS2. Not sure how they've been forgotten and how SCE's just realised they have an awesome catalogue.
I was going to say the same thing but after my long post I said forget about it.
Staticneuron
05-09-2010, 16:09
Members of sony even tried to downplay and insult the wii by saying its remote looked like a lollipop etc.......i don't know what move must look like to them.
That isn't what was said at all. If your going to attribute a quote, look it up first.
http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/122988/sonys-jack-tretton-wii-is-a-lollipop-360-an-unreliable-cook-page-2-of-2/
How would you describe each current game console if you had to describe it as a meal or food?
JT: I probably couldn't do it objectively.
You don't need to be objective!
I think the PS3 is the Surf 'n Turf. You want the lobster and steak and you're going to give yourself the treat of getting the best thing on the menu. The PS2 is your favorite burger restaurant -- you go there for comfort food and it's just always good and is a good value.
[As for the other two consoles], one [Wii] is a lollipop, and I'm too old for lollipops. The other one [Xbox 360] I get sick from once in a while because the cook isn't always reliable.
He wasn't describing the looks of the consoles at all and also he prefaced it by admitting he couldn't be objective about it at all.
My favorite quote.
Do you see KillZone 2 as the Halo of PS3?
JT: I would never say it's our Halo. It's our KillZone.
Sigh....
I agree with mynd though. MS is just being overprotective. We will definitely see some stuff at E3 about natal. I am sure of it.
Well, I'm going to go off the reservation a bit and say that there may be a launch delay announcement for Natal. Mynd could also be correct, though. It would be funny if there was a controller that goes with Natal after all is said and done..
Well, I'm going to go off the reservation a bit and say that there may be a launch delay announcement for Natal. Mynd could also be correct, though. It would be funny if there was a controller that goes with Natal after all is said and done..
By how much though?, it would have to be outside of this year for it to be newsworthy.
Its all very intriguing isnt it.
36 days and counting.....
Bitbydeath
05-10-2010, 04:18
Singstar, buzz etc have been totally forgotten about this generation.
Completely wrong.
Buzz just released its 3rd title for PS3 earlier this year. Its going strong and has received its own space on Home and has its own downloadable content on PSN.
SingStar is going stronger than ever as it gets fortnightly releases of music and has already had at least 5 discs made available to purchase. Its somewhere between 1200 and 2000 songs available for download. Featuring much more content than Rockband, Guitar Hero and Band Hero combined.
Its also features on Home and has had a number of artists play live exclusivly for PS3. I don't remember who all of them were but the first to do it was Dizzie Rascal.
Completely wrong.
Buzz just released its 3rd title for PS3 earlier this year. Its going strong and has received its own space on Home and has its own downloadable content on PSN.
SingStar is going stronger than ever as it gets fortnightly releases of music and has already had at least 5 discs made available to purchase. Its somewhere between 1200 and 2000 songs available for download. Featuring much more content than Rockband, Guitar Hero and Band Hero combined.
Its also features on Home and has had a number of artists play live exclusivly for PS3. I don't remember who all of them were but the first to do it was Dizzie Rascal.Content and consumer success are seperate things. Personally I think that the 'music' market has become over-saturated with far too many versions, in some instances more than one release a year - talk about trying to milk a game!
Bitbydeath
05-10-2010, 23:12
Content and consumer success are seperate things. Personally I think that the 'music' market has become over-saturated with far too many versions, in some instances more than one release a year - talk about trying to milk a game!
Amount of content and consumer success go hand in hand.
People don't keep the dead on life support.
Consumer success is not a problem for either SingStar or Buzz. Both have online sections that are always full with people.
Just cause something isn't a hit in the states does not mean its not a hit.
Both of these games have always been more successful outside of the USA.