The Official Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Thread

[SchaffinOSX]

Any feedback on the patch yet? Just curious to know if it actually fixes things.

[The Cage]

Any feedback on the patch yet? Just curious to know if it actually fixes things.

Seems smoother now, no stuttering so far

[SchaffinOSX]

Seems smoother now, no stuttering so far

Glad to hear it. About to try it out myself.

[The Cage]

Glad to hear it. About to try it out myself.

Also noticed that the textures load faster now

[SchaffinOSX]

Seems fairly better for me so far. But the real test of this patch will be time.

[The Cage]

Seems fairly better for me so far. But the real test of this patch will be time.

Agreed, i'll test it again later and see what happens

[SchaffinOSX]

A dragon just appeared and it was as smooth as ever. Is there still some lag? Yes, but it's the type of lag I expected to find in an Elder Scrolls game. The lag I experienced before the patch... that wasn't what I was expecting.

[Alpha]

Check on the ground

I've seen weapons and stuff, fall through the ground. Basically, collision detect failed on those objects.


This is odd, my dog disappeared ...

I left him at my house in Whiterun, went on a quest came back and he's gone :(

I had one, which I did not know I had, till the game said at some point in the top left of the screen, that my dog left me, and went home. Boohoo! Never even got to know you.

Just tried the patch, and so far there seems to be a lot less lag, but just tried it for a few minutes. So far, it's looks good!

This forum has major lag, when posting, or tried to edit a post!

[-Kwesnoth-]

How do I get the patch for PC?

[Alpha]

How do I get the patch for PC?

It has not been released yet.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Figures. :lol:

I do find it odd in game that the guards take no notice when my sword is covered in blood. I think if I was a guard I'd be a bit worried.

[Funeralfog]

i've seen something neat since the new patch. it likes to freeze when i try to save sometimes! great patch

[SchaffinOSX]

Figures. :lol:

I do find it odd in game that the guards take no notice when my sword is covered in blood. I think if I was a guard I'd be a bit worried.

AI is one of the portions of Skyrim that could be better. Not terrible, but something that definitely has a few rough edges; especially when it comes to guards.

[-Kwesnoth-]

It has been vastly improved since oblivion though, I'll give them that. <br />
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I do like that the player can kill off witnesses and thus not get charged.

[SchaffinOSX]

Same. In that sense, things have been improved. And to be honest, in some ways, guard AI has gone down. Trying to escape from prison... well, unless I was simply experiencing a glitch, the guards...

[The Cage]

I've seen weapons and stuff, fall through the ground. Basically, collision detect failed on those objects.



I had one, which I did not know I had, till the game said at some point in the top left of the screen, that my dog left me, and went home. Boohoo! Never even got to know you.

Just tried the patch, and so far there seems to be a lot less lag, but just tried it for a few minutes. So far, it's looks good!

This forum has major lag, when posting, or tried to edit a post!


Oh, i see

Ah, so i guess my dog left me lol oh well.


yeah it seems better now :D

[SchaffinOSX]

Probably about time for me to create another character. I'm a warrior right now, and with each day that passes things seem to get worse and worse. First, a couple of quests have glitched, preventing me from getting some of the trophies I need. Two, I'm pretty much wanted in every hold, though I'm doing some jail time to take care of that. And three, I contracted vampirism, and granted I was in jail shortly thereafter, I couldn't travel to a shrine in time to cure it. Damn.

Any suggestions for what I should make my next character? Race? Specialization?

[GhostFox61]

Post patch the game has become unplayable for me.

Frame rate drops to almost nothing as soon as I encounter an enemy.

Anyone else encounter this?

[Daggers21]

The patch fixed the lag for me, however getting a ton of freezes that cause me to restart the game from last save. It's a tad BS when you have to do your wedding three times...
Put my difficulty back up to adept...got one shotted by a dam crystal three times and than again by some low life scum down in the ratway...Like really, I have weapons with 50 damage, full daedric armor maxed out and on top of that a fire approach, the assassin summon power on.........Games difficulty really seems off sometimes.

@SchaffinOSX
I am having a lot of fun as Dark Elf, they have some good skills and can work with any kind of a class.

[btbam]

so i had to start a new character yesterday cus i was (am) an idiot and accidently deleted my lvl 28 warrior. I'm chuggin along fine, and decided to marry someone else. My first character i married Aela the Huntress, this one i decided to marry Mjoll, that warrior chick from riften. know that little douche Arien who follows her arround like a lil puppy? HE MOVES IN WITH YOU! its bullshit! i'm tryin to have a wife, not a threesome with a dude! Jesus Tapdancing Christ he is so creepy. just stands there and watches her sleep. anyway i can get rid of him but not Mjoll? I like having the merchant/daily gold, but i will sacrifice her to Hircine if necessary.

[Blacksite]

I've downloaded the patch and I'm still experiencing some lag. No freezing when I save the game though.

[Bigdoggy]

since this is basically a revamped engine or is it new? either way, they are still going to be tweaking it, I expect the next fallout game to be a lot better compared to skyrim in terms of performance. I am sure they will keep on improving the engine and stuff from now on.

[Alpha]

HE MOVES IN WITH YOU!

Too funny. I'm avoiding the whole marriage thing all together. Too real for me.

[btbam]

Too funny. I'm avoiding the whole marriage thing all together. Too real for me.

It's got sweet perks man. You spouce becomes a misc item merchant you can sell anything to, you get 100gp daily profit from the store, and you can tell her to make you a sammich (well the skyrim equivilent of "woman make me a sammich"). Lastly you get xp bonus for 8 in game hrs if you sleep in your bed together.


Ps. Found out how to get rid of arien. Have mjoll follow, arien returns to riften automatically the just have mjoll wait outside his house, murder the shit outta him, and then return, mjoll doesn't seem to know or care he is dead and no witnesses means she will still talk to you.

[adierolfe]

Could try and kill him.

[three3-times]

im curious to know whether the patch fixed the brokeness of this game on the ps3 for you guys (lag especially) as i swapped mine for the 360 version as it became unplayable for me. note the patch list only says IMPROVED, not fixed.

UPDATE 1.2:

Improved occasional performance issues resulting from long term play (PlayStation 3)
Fixed issue where textures would not properly upgrade when installed to drive (Xbox 360)
Fixed crash on startup when audio is set to sample rate other than 44100Hz (PC)
Fixed issue where projectiles did not properly fade away
Fixed occasional issue where a guest would arrive to the player's wedding dead
Dragon corpses now clean up properly
Fixed rare issue where dragons would not attack
Fixed rare NPC sleeping animation bug
Fixed rare issue with dead corpses being cleared up prematurely
Skeleton Key will now work properly if player has no lockpicks in their inventory
Fixed rare issue with renaming enchanted weapons and armor
Fixed rare issue with dragons not properly giving souls after death
ESC button can now be used to exit menus (PC)
Fixed occasional mouse sensitivity issues (PC)
General functionality fixes related to remapping buttons and controls (PC)

[Fenix]

For the most part the framerate is better, atleast for me, I wouldnt say its 100% fixed but it is indeed better. Granted the times it slowed down a bit was unexplored area (I didnt go to dawnstar or falkreath till now lol) so maybe thats why it had a bit of a issue? *shrug*

Though I find myself disappointed weapon racks werent fixed. I know its small, but I bought my Rifton house and it had workable weaponracks, I ended up buying the solitude house but the weapon racks dont work. I'd move to rifton but I'm not a fan of that place.

[Wolf616]

It does seem like the framerate has improved a little, but that is pure conjecture as I don't actually have any hard numerical data to compare from before and after.

[TekkenLord]

This patch aint do shit for me. last night it was going good and then all of a sudden extreme lag. I couldn't even run i had to turn off the game. what a let down.

[Yuuichi]

I loaded up my old save and noticed a diff. Still got a few frame rate issue but it was playable. Going to kill some people tonight lol.

[The Cage]

Okay, I've done some testing and it seems much better now...

I killed so many people in whiterun lol

[-Kwesnoth-]

I've racked up 100 hours in skyrim, and I didn't even get it the day it came out. :lol:

[Blacksite]

For the most part the framerate is better, atleast for me, I wouldnt say its 100% fixed but it is indeed better. Granted the times it slowed down a bit was unexplored area (I didnt go to dawnstar or falkreath till now lol) so maybe thats why it had a bit of a issue? *shrug*
That's interesting. I made it to Falkreath as well and experienced some lag.

[The Cage]

I've racked up 100 hours in skyrim, and I didn't even get it the day it came out. :lol:

Haha, yup :lol:

[SchaffinOSX]

Once I complete a few more side quests (for the trophy) I'm creating a new account. Anyone have any ideas as to what I should focus on? I realize that Skyrim's class system isn't like in the past, but I'd like to have a general focus before I jump in for round two. I already have a warrior, so I'm probably thinking something more along the lines of a Mage or Thief. Any ideas?

[adierolfe]

Once I complete a few more side quests (for the trophy) I'm creating a new account. Anyone have any ideas as to what I should focus on? I realize that Skyrim's class system isn't like in the past, but I'd like to have a general focus before I jump in for round two. I already have a warrior, so I'm probably thinking something more along the lines of a Mage or Thief. Any ideas?

The game lost my warrior save, so i started as a dark elf. Never tried magic before. But its alright.

[Blacksite]

Once I complete a few more side quests (for the trophy) I'm creating a new account. Anyone have any ideas as to what I should focus on? I realize that Skyrim's class system isn't like in the past, but I'd like to have a general focus before I jump in for round two. I already have a warrior, so I'm probably thinking something more along the lines of a Mage or Thief. Any ideas?
I hear that playing as a Mage can be a lot of fun.

[SchaffinOSX]

The game lost my warrior save, so i started as a dark elf. Never tried magic before. But its alright.

Alright? I heard magic is pretty fun; more fun than in Oblivion. I only experimented with magic very little in Oblivion, but am ready to jump into it with Skyrim. It seems a lot more comprehensive than previously, and I feel that I won't have as hard a time taking advantage of it. Dual-wielding spells also appeals to my liking.

As for your dark elf, I'm interested to see how you get treated, granted dark elves are generally discriminated against there. Let me know if you experience any differences in gameplay due to your different race.


I hear that playing as a Mage can be a lot of fun.

As did I. I'm thinking of perhaps being a mage with a mix of warrior or thief. Being a mage would be fun, but I feel there should be a hint of something else in there, as well.

[Rapture]

Does anyone know when the patch is dropping on PC? I need the audio fix.

[SchaffinOSX]

Does anyone know when the patch is dropping on PC? I need the audio fix.

The 360 and PC patch are supposed to release sometime tomorrow.

[Cyn]

Does anyone know when the patch is dropping on PC? I need the audio fix.
I heard it was supposed to be today. Guess not. No wait today is tuesday, so tomorrow

Doesn't matter anyway, they still haven't told us when they are releasing the creation kit

[Blacksite]

Oh, wow. Level 8? @_@


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26kU9QW3F2Y

[SchaffinOSX]

That's another thing about Skyrim that I'm not exactly sure about... It seems like they made the story rather short and somewhat easy to complete. Yes, I realize that the real point of TES games is that there are tons and tons of hours of side quests and even more things to do. But nevertheless, the main story should not only be a good chunk of the game, but it should also require players to explore and do other things in order to progress. Being able to complete the game at only level 8 doesn't seem quite right. That means the player has barely done any exploration or side quests outside of the main story.

Ideally, players would have to do several side quests and the like in order to obtain the skills and equipment necessary for continuing onward.

[The Cage]

How do you do the double hand magic ?

and what spell is that ?

[SchaffinOSX]

How do you do the double hand magic ?

and what spell is that ?

What do you mean? You can equip a spell to each hand; doesn't matter what spell. Or you can have the same spell on both hands, which in turn makes it more effective. I like to have heal on both hands because it heals me significantly faster than only using one hand.

[Yuuichi]

How do you do the double hand magic ?

and what spell is that ?

It is unlocked with in the talents.

[The Cage]

What do you mean? You can equip a spell to each hand; doesn't matter what spell. Or you can have the same spell on both hands, which in turn makes it more effective. I like to have heal on both hands because it heals me significantly faster than only using one hand.

Yes i know but when u use a spell with both hands the char's hands are different when casting the spell

and yes i know i was asking about the spell itself.


It is unlocked with in the talents.

Oh i see, thanks mate :)

[TekkenLord]

Is anyone else getting lag although you update. Also can some help me fix my 3rd person cam. for some reason the cam is all on the guys back adn i can hardly see anything.

[The Cage]

Is anyone else getting lag although you update. Also can some help me fix my 3rd person cam. for some reason the cam is all on the guys back adn i can hardly see anything.

Hold the right stick and use the left stick to zoom in or out by moving it forward or backwards

[Funeralfog]

Once I complete a few more side quests (for the trophy) I'm creating a new account. Anyone have any ideas as to what I should focus on? I realize that Skyrim's class system isn't like in the past, but I'd like to have a general focus before I jump in for round two. I already have a warrior, so I'm probably thinking something more along the lines of a Mage or Thief. Any ideas?

i have one of each. the mage is quite fun. but the thief is awesome, and you'll get very rich. if you're looking for the 100k trophy that's the best option

[-Kwesnoth-]

I never could get the taste to do magic. I'm a warrior/thief.

[SchaffinOSX]

i have one of each. the mage is quite fun. but the thief is awesome, and you'll get very rich. if you're looking for the 100k trophy that's the best option

Good point. Might make a thief. The thing about being a thief is that I can never seem to get a feel for how to sneak in that game. Whenever I sneak, I don't feel like there are any real techniques or logical ways to go about not being seen. I feel that the terrain is designed in a way that makes it nearly impossible for me to see all of the enemies, and therefore immensely difficult to determine where to sneak, and when.

Is there some trick to sneaking in Skyrim that I simply haven't discovered?

[The Cage]

I Gotta try this lol


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3PGYRReN64

[Bigdoggy]

o.O ummm Lucille521, it's already out. o.O

[itachi73378]

o.O ummm Lucille521, it's already out. o.O
Its a weird bot copying other posts (older ones)

[SchaffinOSX]

I agree, Lucille. Can't wait! ... Kidding. Banned the bot. Carry on kiddies!

[adierolfe]

Alright? I heard magic is pretty fun; more fun than in Oblivion. I only experimented with magic very little in Oblivion, but am ready to jump into it with Skyrim. It seems a lot more comprehensive than previously, and I feel that I won't have as hard a time taking advantage of it. Dual-wielding spells also appeals to my liking.

As for your dark elf, I'm interested to see how you get treated, granted dark elves are generally discriminated against there. Let me know if you experience any differences in gameplay due to your different race.

I had 50plus hours as an Imperial. Haven't noticed too much difference with the Dark Elf. But I'm only about 5hrs in and I'm just doing Thieves Guild. Haven't touched the main story yet.

I said Mage is ok because, well. I much prefer to chop everyone up and all i seem to do at the minute is burn everyone. Maybe because i can't think about what spells etc to cast limit the fun.

[Wolf616]

My character is a Dark Elf and I have put a considerable amount of time into it without really feeling as though, due to me being a Dark Elf, that I am an 'outsider' in Skyrim. Even in Windhelm, where Dark Elves are treated like shit. It's slightly annoying as it can, at times, ruin the immersion somewhat but as I cover my face with the sexy Nightingale Hood's mask at all times it rarely bothers me that much.

[Ryuuchi10]

My character is level 16, on his way to level 17. I've been playing the main quest line and right now I'm on the quest called The World-Eater's Eyrie. I've had a few freezes, spiked lags here and there, and yeah, I have so far absorbed 2 dragon souls and neither of them have unlocked Ethereal or slow time shout. Maybe I should start The Companions quests and maybe the Thieves Guild quests before going back on the main. Oh yeah, the magic resistance. It's not there. Not just my character but everyone else in the game are also affected by it. Hopefully the next patch fixes all of the major problems.

[Cyn]

I really loved the look of magic in this and was gearing up to be a battle mage / spell sword type until I figured out that there are no stronger versions of the novice destruction spells, the continuous use ones (force lightning) and you can't even make your own ones any more. That really annoyed me to be honest because it's the continuous use ones that I like but they are too weak now for me to wield.

[plustheharm]

Woot! The patch really did seem to do a lot of good. I was seeing the lag within an hour and it could get pretty bad. Still bits of slowdown here and there, but a definitive improvement. So close to that 100k, can finally start unleashing some gold.

[gumionday]

the lag issue is better for, won't know that till this weekend when i can get an extended play session in. But i did notice a few bugs that weren't there before. There is something majorly wrong with the Magika resistances, I got my @$$ handed to me last night more than a few times by an ice conjurer, during the "night to remember quest" which was quite the quest funny to say the least. But the weird one is now when i do the final bit of damage to kill and enemy, when they actually die they go flying like they were shot out of a cannon or something. Talking to NPCs or trying to gets really wonky. (tend to read what they say a lot faster than they say it) so I am always pushing X and moving the conversation along. Well this is getting really skrewy in my game cause dialogue options fail to appear and I have to back out of the conversation and start again.

Why is it when they try and fix one thing 3 more things break?????

[Marcsony]

Ive seen a big improvement but again some mad bugs. i was doing a winerhold college quest and was in a cave and everytime i used any magic i would fall through the floor into the level below that was the start of the cave. i dont mind tho i didnt expect it to be perfect.


Sent frome space

[SchaffinOSX]

the lag issue is better for, won't know that till this weekend when i can get an extended play session in. But i did notice a few bugs that weren't there before. There is something majorly wrong with the Magika resistances, I got my @$$ handed to me last night more than a few times by an ice conjurer, during the "night to remember quest" which was quite the quest funny to say the least. But the weird one is now when i do the final bit of damage to kill and enemy, when they actually die they go flying like they were shot out of a cannon or something. Talking to NPCs or trying to gets really wonky. (tend to read what they say a lot faster than they say it) so I am always pushing X and moving the conversation along. Well this is getting really skrewy in my game cause dialogue options fail to appear and I have to back out of the conversation and start again.

Why is it when they try and fix one thing 3 more things break?????

After the patch, I encountered a dragon that flew backwards and flew a few hundred feet higher than normal dragons. :snicker Shame that fixes always lead to more issues. Nevertheless, I'm happy to see that Bethesda is watching these things closely, and trying to address them as soon as they can. Hopefully they can iron out the second wave of glitches without making more, but meh, only time will tell.

[plustheharm]

Yeah, been hearing about some of the post-patch bugs. Can't recall if it was before or after the patch, but my last dragon didn't give up a soul. Haven't seen one since, but I have been fast traveling about to clean up the quest list.

[Funeralfog]

Good point. Might make a thief. The thing about being a thief is that I can never seem to get a feel for how to sneak in that game. Whenever I sneak, I don't feel like there are any real techniques or logical ways to go about not being seen. I feel that the terrain is designed in a way that makes it nearly impossible for me to see all of the enemies, and therefore immensely difficult to determine where to sneak, and when.

Is there some trick to sneaking in Skyrim that I simply haven't discovered?

put points into the bow, you can zoom which totally rocks, and you can slow down time. might want to join the dark brotherhood, they give you some good sneak stuff. it seems you level it up mostly when enemies are searching for you. so a bow is good for that too, you can shoot an arrow and they will look where it hits

[SchaffinOSX]

Yeah, been hearing about some of the post-patch bugs. Can't recall if it was before or after the patch, but my last dragon didn't give up a soul. Haven't seen one since, but I have been fast traveling about to clean up the quest list.

Not all dragons do, depending on where you are. If you're revisiting a dragon lair, the dragon might not drop a soul to avoid hoarding of souls.


put points into the bow, you can zoom which totally rocks, and you can slow down time. might want to join the dark brotherhood, they give you some good sneak stuff. it seems you level it up mostly when enemies are searching for you. so a bow is good for that too, you can shoot an arrow and they will look where it hits

Completely forgot about that. Thanks man.

[kidd0218]

I never could get the taste to do magic. I'm a warrior/thief.

Same here! Not once I played a magic character in any game that let you choose between a class. I'm a warrior and a thief too.

Just to add, the game is alot better now for me after the update. Not that it bothered me before but sometimes it can get really laggy but now its smoother.

Thank god I have a long weekend! lol

[Daggers21]

Any of you lot know why I have 100 smithing and the perk to improve armor and magic items, let lack the skill to improve it past flawless or legendary?

[The Cage]

Any of you lot know why I have 100 smithing and the perk to improve armor and magic items, let lack the skill to improve it past flawless or legendary?

You need to train with some NPC's to increase it

[SchaffinOSX]

Same here! Not once I played a magic character in any game that let you choose between a class. I'm a warrior and a thief too.

Just to add, the game is alot better now for me after the update. Not that it bothered me before but sometimes it can get really laggy but now its smoother.

Thank god I have a long weekend! lol

Then you're not getting everything you can out of the game. The thing that makes TES games great is that they permit you to build whatever kind of character you'd like. Why stick with the well-known? In my opinion, the fun of the game is exploring different play-types and trying new things. Each to his own, I suppose.

[-Kwesnoth-]

After putting 100 hours in on my invincible nord warrior.

I've decided to make a new guy, a dark elf ninja. Already well up there in skill, lockpicking, archery, one handed, and light armor.

[SchaffinOSX]

After putting 100 hours in on my invincible nord warrior.

I've decided to make a new guy, a dark elf ninja. Already well up there in skill, lockpicking, archery, one handed, and light armor.

A ninja... hmm... I might try that out, myself. So many potential ideas!

[Daggers21]

Nightingale armor is really good looking, however when someone gets up close to me it does really poorly... daedric for me I guess.!

[Funeralfog]

i'm going to try a merchant city boy who owns a dagger and makes my servants fight for me! all while wearing fancy clothes. of course i will be a prick

[btbam]

i'm going to try a merchant city boy who owns a dagger and makes my servants fight for me! all while wearing fancy clothes. of course i will be a prick

This is actually brilliant. never thought of making a character like this, but totally possible. You'll have to do a little combat, but on low difficulty, its possible to have the characters d everything for you lol. I don't really like the look of fancy clothes in this game. some characters look kinda cool, but it never looks the same on me. Good luck!

[The Cage]

At one of the loading screens there is this chick mage with a staff in her left hand, anybody knows where i can get one of those?

[btbam]

At one of the loading screens there is this chick mage with a staff in her left hand, anybody knows where i can get one of those?

is it the curvey one? that looks like a chinese dragon or something like that n top? a serpent? i remember a dragon priest owning one.

[The Cage]

is it the curvey one? that looks like a chinese dragon or something like that n top? a serpent? i remember a dragon priest owning one.

Nope, It's a long staff with silver pointy end

[SchaffinOSX]

I'm disappointed in myself for not knowing what you guys are referring to. I've never paid enough actual attention to the loading screens to actually ask, "Hey, I wonder where I can get that?". I should probably start doing that. Could lead to some interesting adventures, I'm sure.

[The Cage]

I'm disappointed in myself for not knowing what you guys are referring to. I've never paid enough actual attention to the loading screens to actually ask, "Hey, I wonder where I can get that?". I should probably start doing that. Could lead to some interesting adventures, I'm sure.

When it's loading i keep rotating, that's how i noticed

[Rapture]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/11/11378/11651927.jpg

[btbam]

I'm disappointed in myself for not knowing what you guys are referring to. I've never paid enough actual attention to the loading screens to actually ask, "Hey, I wonder where I can get that?". I should probably start doing that. Could lead to some interesting adventures, I'm sure.

There is one with an orc dual weilding axes that looks like a kratos reference to me. And you get to see character models up close. I like it this way as opposed to oblivion that is, obviously I'd like no loading screens but I honestly believe it's not possible with a game the scale of skyrim.

[plustheharm]

Not all dragons do, depending on where you are. If you're revisiting a dragon lair, the dragon might not drop a soul to avoid hoarding of souls.

Ahh, that must have been the case. Can't remember where / when this happened, just recall it only happening with the latest one.

[LfCpS3]

Anyone become a vampire yet?

I really want to become one( for role playing :D) but have no idea how good or fun it is.

I dislike how during the day you health and stamina is decreased.

[RipleyExile]

Surely better than instantly bursting into flames the second sunlight touches your character. At least you should be able to get about a bit. You just have to be a bit careful about how you do it so you don't run into anything too nasty.

[Funeralfog]

ive never even caught the vampire disease to cure

[*goo]

Anyone become a vampire yet?

I really want to become one( for role playing :D) but have no idea how good or fun it is.

I dislike how during the day you health and stamina is decreased.

I was lured into a trap by Vampires near the Solitude Lighthouse. They were just standing there and me being me (adventurous aka nosey) decided to wander over and have a look-see. They excitedly started mauling me as they cheered about how they had fooled another one. Then I murdered them both. Not sure if being injured by one is enough to contract the disease...

[Cyn]

Run into 2 game breaking bugged questlines today. First was in the main quest which I had to use the console to get through, second is in the companions quest line, not sure how to get past that one. Probably have to look up the setstage command

[adierolfe]

Run into 2 game breaking bugged questlines today. First was in the main quest which I had to use the console to get through, second is in the companions quest line, not sure how to get past that one. Probably have to look up the setstage command

More info?

[The Cage]

So no one knows anything about that staff?

[LfCpS3]

I hate the Stones of Barenziah quest.

I hate having to search for 24 items in this HUGE map( i know i can use the internet to find the location but its still difficult to get them) and it takes up a lot of valuable space in my inventory.

[-Kwesnoth-]

My thief is god-like. :lol:

Especially my one handed fighting. The speed is ridiculous, plus the 15x damage for knife, and 6x damage for sword helps.

[adamdolge]

I've made two characters so far, and each one turned out relatively the same into some kind of hybrid mage/thief. Anyone have recommendations for leveling alch and ench? Alchemy is taking me forever to level, and enchanting is OK, just expensive for me right now.

[GhostFox61]

I've started getting accosted by random highway thieves wearing complete sets of high level armor.

I thought that was one of the things they were going to change about skyrim?

[The Cage]

I've started getting accosted by random highway thieves wearing complete sets of high level armor.

I thought that was one of the things they were going to change about skyrim?

What's wrong in that ? you can kill them and take the armor, that's actually good

[Rapture]

Because having a bandit wearing 20,000 gold armor and trying to mug you just ends up being silly.

[Daggers21]

Because having a bandit wearing 20,000 gold armor and trying to mug you just ends up being silly.This!^
I just started getting elder dragons! Two at once and a regular dragon in Morthal...
Became a vampire by mistake...what ever..
Still need to get my one handed damage up.

[The Cage]

Because having a bandit wearing 20,000 gold armor and trying to mug you just ends up being silly.

I don't see any negative sides in that, it gives the game a little bit of a challenge... Plus they're bandits
they got those armors from somewhere

if you can't beat them lower the difficulty

[Rapture]

I don't see any negative sides in that, it gives the game a little bit of a challenge... Plus they're bandits
they got those armors from somewhere

if you can't beat them lower the difficulty

No one mentioned the difficulty.

[The Cage]

No one mentioned the difficulty.

Then i don't see why it's being silly

[SchaffinOSX]

Then i don't see why it's being silly

I think he means that it's silly for a bandit to be running around with 20,000 gold armor.

[btbam]

I've made two characters so far, and each one turned out relatively the same into some kind of hybrid mage/thief. Anyone have recommendations for leveling alch and ench? Alchemy is taking me forever to level, and enchanting is OK, just expensive for me right now.

For alchemy just pick up every ingedient you see, it goes by quantity not quality so just pick and brew. Enchant you can level with smithing. Buy the gems and buy the materials to make iron daggers. With the right enchantment you should break even on gold. After that just take a world tour of each smith rinse and repeat

[The Cage]

I think he means that it's silly for a bandit to be running around with 20,000 gold armor.

They're bandits, they steel stuff

and of course it makes sense when you kill them and take the armors

That's another way for you to find that armor instead of making it or buying it

[adamdolge]

For alchemy just pick up every ingedient you see, it goes by quantity not quality so just pick and brew. Enchant you can level with smithing. Buy the gems and buy the materials to make iron daggers. With the right enchantment you should break even on gold. After that just take a world tour of each smith rinse and repeat
I powered through smithing without touching the others. I guess it just feels a lot slower than smithing. You are totally right about breaking even selling back enchanted daggers. I need to find more enchanted gear to disenchant. Well, no, I need different kinds like +smith and alchemy.

[GhostFox61]

I think he means that it's silly for a bandit to be running around with 20,000 gold armor risking his life to demand 200 gold.

Fixed that for you.

[The Cage]

Fixed that for you.

200 Gold + That armor = a rich bandit.

[FdMstng99]

Really enjoying the Thieves Guild quest line right now. Can't wait to get back into it tonight.

Just broke into Mercer's house to retrive the map from the basement, some nice things to steal while in there.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Yeah, I love the thieves guild missions. Especially goldenglow estate, that was a fun mission.

[adierolfe]

Once i got that skeleton key in my hand i stopped the missions and carried on with others. I'll finish it off when i no longer have use for it.

[Funeralfog]

exactly what i did, hell no i'm not giving that key up. did on first playthrough and it made me sad. why would you level up locksmithing so much when you can have a skeleton key!

[-Kwesnoth-]

I turned in the key first play-through because my lock picking is soo high, my lock picks are unbreakable.

Plus the bonus you receive is better.

[Wolf616]

I just one shotted a giant. After being thrown 50 foot into the air from one hit on numerous occasions it was orgasmic.

[Alpha]

exactly what i did, hell no i'm not giving that key up. did on first playthrough and it made me sad. why would you level up locksmithing so much when you can have a skeleton key!

In Oblivion, I accidentally dropped the key, and did not notice it when I did it. Good bye skeleton key. :( Never got it back.

[Alpha]

Anyone become a vampire yet?

I really want to become one( for role playing :D) but have no idea how good or fun it is.

I dislike how during the day you health and stamina is decreased.

I became infected, but did not know you had to go to a temple for quick cure. It then progressed to a stage, where it could not be cured at the local temple. Then one day, everyone started attacking me, and could not enter any city.

So had to go online, find out the cure, and do that quest. Really annoyed, the game was not clear on how to deal with it. Never knew anything about stages of vamparism, or how to be cured, or feeding lowers you to another stage, but I did not want to feed anyway (trying to play good character).

Nothing in the game, should force you to check the internet for an answer. I hate that. I'm just thankful the cure quest is relatively easy, compared to that huge range of quests you had to do in Oblivion (and even was buggy for some people, unable to get the cure).

I think the whole Vampire thing is annoying. Important, check your magics area (effects) to see if you are infected with that, and other diseases. I guess I should read the manual, but how many people do!

[adierolfe]

At one of the loading screens there is this chick mage with a staff in her left hand, anybody knows where i can get one of those?

Its the Staff of Fury. You can buy it off Tolfdir






So no one knows anything about that staff?

[Daggers21]

I became a vampire by mistake lol. this game is really getting under my skin, the constant freezing and corrupting of data is getting annoying now.

[The Cage]

Its the Staff of Fury. You can buy it off TolfdirThe one at Winterhold ?and thanks mate :D

[SchaffinOSX]

Created my second character. A Khajiit thief. Going to try to get the remaining trophies I need for the platinum with this character.

[Fenix]

I became infected, but did not know you had to go to a temple for quick cure. It then progressed to a stage, where it could not be cured at the local temple. Then one day, everyone started attacking me, and could not enter any city.

So had to go online, find out the cure, and do that quest. Really annoyed, the game was not clear on how to deal with it. Never knew anything about stages of vamparism, or how to be cured, or feeding lowers you to another stage, but I did not want to feed anyway (trying to play good character).

Nothing in the game, should force you to check the internet for an answer. I hate that. I'm just thankful the cure quest is relatively easy, compared to that huge range of quests you had to do in Oblivion (and even was buggy for some people, unable to get the cure).

I think the whole Vampire thing is annoying. Important, check your magics area (effects) to see if you are infected with that, and other diseases. I guess I should read the manual, but how many people do!

Feeding doesnt kill them, I fed on bandits sleeping then they'd wake up and attack me. You can cure the first (before vampirism stage one) with a temple or a cure diease.

I though Vampire sucked, only because day light = no stamina regen. Which is BS. I'd rather not have to eat a butt load of stamina potion, or wait for night, just to get form point A to B. I ended up becoming a werewolf. So far so good, being in beast form sucks.. but I get 100% disease resistance. I'm down with that. Lol.

[adierolfe]

The one at Winterhold ?and thanks mate :D

Yeah. About 2200 gold

[The Cage]

Yeah. About 2200 gold

I'm gonna go there and check later

thanks man :)

+Rep

[Daggers21]

Does anyone know how many quests the main story has?
On a side note, you know that elf you can get as a follower from Riverwood? He died and I took my items back from him......a few week IRL time hes back in Riverwood...What the hell?
On that same side note, anyone know of Rexus from the Dark botherhood quests? He was the body guard for a certain someone that wanted a certain person in power killed? He was back at that dungeon where you first meet? I had killed him....before that....

[btbam]

Ok, you guys know Viarmo, the head of the Bards College? Do you know who his vice actor is? swear to god its James woods. Sounds exactly like him

[Fenix]

Does anyone know how many quests the main story has?
On a side note, you know that elf you can get as a follower from Riverwood? He died and I took my items back from him......a few week IRL time hes back in Riverwood...What the hell?
On that same side note, anyone know of Rexus from the Dark botherhood quests? He was the body guard for a certain someone that wanted a certain person in power killed? He was back at that dungeon where you first meet? I had killed him....before that....

I'd say 19 or so main story missions, the dead people coming back is most likely some bug. That or hireable followers come back eventually?

[The Cage]

Does anyone know how many quests the main story has?
On a side note, you know that elf you can get as a follower from Riverwood? He died and I took my items back from him......a few week IRL time hes back in Riverwood...What the hell?
On that same side note, anyone know of Rexus from the Dark botherhood quests? He was the body guard for a certain someone that wanted a certain person in power killed? He was back at that dungeon where you first meet? I had killed him....before that....

you didn't reload your last save ?

maybe you loaded one of the autosaves

[Ghost-Rhayne]

I'm officially in love with this game. :D It is my GOTY, despite the fucked up bugs. Like Fallout games before it, I have A LOT of fun of conceptualising characters and building them up and of course Skyrim dwarfs them in this regard. It new game is like a canvas for me, to create my new masterpiece. I had around 15 characters on Fallout 3. :D

[SchaffinOSX]

Completed the Thieves Guild. I enjoyed it much more than I enjoyed the guild in Oblivion.

[Daggers21]

Completed the Thieves Guild. I enjoyed it much more than I enjoyed the guild in Oblivion.I do wish there was more to the guild quests, the college one was amazing...it was just cut really short.

[The Cage]

anybody joined the imperials instead of stormcloaks ?


Also:
This is how to cure beast disease (Wiki)


Note that curing yourself is a one-way ticket. If you choose to cure yourself there is no way (besides using the console on the PC) to become a werewolf again. Doing this also removes your access to the underforge.
Curing yourself requires you to join and finish the questline of the Companions (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Companions). Asking around will let you know Kodlak (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kodlak_Whitemane) is looking for a cure. At one point Kodlak (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kodlak_Whitemane)sends you out on the Blood's Honor (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Blood's_Honor) quest.
For the quest, killing and taking one head of the Glenmoril witches will do. However, if you want to cure yourself, kill and take the head of another Glenmoril Witch.

After finishing Glory of the Dead (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Glory_of_the_Dead) you can use the blue flame combined with a Glenmoril witch's head in Ysgramor's Tomb (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Ysgramor's_Tomb) the same as you did to cure Kodlak (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Kodlak_Whitemane)'s spirit. Your wolf spirit will be released, kill it and you're cured permanently.

[three3-times]

You guys NEED to read this

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-ps3-skyrim-lag


Given its scale, Skyrim was always going to be a game with rough edges. For some, however, its issues are cutting into the gameplay experience to an unacceptable degree. Rising above all the specific glitches and quirks on the other formats, the PS3's lag bug is currently considered the one in most dire need of addressing, with huge dips in performance being reported (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/326411/skyrim-ps3-players-report-crippling-lag/) by those with save files of 5.5MB and above. Cue Bethesda with the release of a new patch (2.01) earlier this week which, according to the notes, "improves occasional performance issues resulting from long term play".
After updating, some players on the Bethesda forums have reported that it has helped alleviate the problem slightly, while others remain adamant that it hasn't changed a thing. So the big question is: has Skyrim update 2.01 actually improved performance on PS3 at all?
First, let's put things into perspective by seeing the bug in action on patch 2.00 - the day one update users upgraded to when the game was released. Here we have a comparison of performance between a completely fresh, brand new game, and a whopping 65 hour save, with each file taking up 3MB and 12MB respectively.
For the sake of this test, we find that a simple stroll through villages and pre-defined cobble pathways is all we need to show the extent to which the frame rate crashes down (no battling necessary - you'll see why). The issue isn't immediately evident on booting the game, but just 30 minutes of play on this 65 hour save is all we need to kick-start the stuttering, with the most effective method of reproducing the effect involving fast travel between a series of six major destinations on the map.

A fresh Skyrim game save state up against Rimlag in all its severity as it kicks in on a 65 hour game save. It's the first time our performance analysis tools have ever recorded a 0FPS reading.

As you can see on the 65 hour side, the effect is impossible to miss and given its severity, the outcry that has followed on forums is very much justified. These prolonged bouts of stuttering render the game almost completely unplayable, even during non-intensive walks down pathways, with some freezes lasting long enough to drag the frame-rate down to zero in places - the first time we've seen this in years of performance analysis here at Digital Foundry.
Expectedly, it's business as usual for the new game save, which only suffers from a few hiccups when attempting to stream geometry or passing through areas with a high density of NPCs. These are a minor nuisance, and generally don't detract from the gameplay to anywhere near the same extent.
When the 65 hour game isn't stuttering, we notice that it tends to settle on 20FPS as its baseline, with the new save holding out at around the 30FPS mark. Considering that the same environments are being rendered in each case, this strongly suggests it isn't an issue that can be solved by direct graphical tweaks. Both runthroughs are seeing the same geometry, weather effects, shadows, and presumably have the same LOD settings in play.
Interestingly, walking past NPCs seems to be a more consistent instigator of these stutters when they do happen, particularly as you pass through heavily occupied places like the Whiterun market, which coincides with the larger freezes. There's a definite sense of cause and effect here which indicates that areas where a player has an extensive history of interaction, via quests events or dialogue trees, are prone to the greater pitfalls. This isn't a hard and fast rule though, as walking through incomplete dungeons or outdoors terrain can also bear down heavily on the console and make for some choppy motion - just not as badly.

To What Extent Does The Patch Help?

So now for the real test: in the video below, we take the same 65 hour save through the same locations on patch 2.01, and compare the results to 2.00. Again, we give each playthrough a similar 30 minute "burn-in" period to make sure the bug is in full force before proceeding.
So has the new patch improved performance? Yes, it has benefited, with the aforementioned 20FPS baseline being raised to something closer to 25 on average. However, the root cause of the stuttering - whatever it may be - is still there and the potential for zero frame refreshes per second is still a possibility, leading to some very unwieldy controller response and an extremely poor gameplay experience in general. To all intents and purposes, this updated version of Skyrim on PS3 is still unplayable for those with a huge time investment in the game - unless you're only willing to play Skyrim in half-hour bursts, saving and restarting the game. Hardly ideal.

We would expect the improvements made by Bethesda to register different levels of improvement on different game save states. The 12MB save we tested showed some improvements but the overall experience was still enormously disappointing in many places.


So what might be the problem? Seeing as the 360 doesn't appear to manifest these issues under the same conditions, it raises the question as to why this glitch is proving to be such bugbear for Sony's platform alone. There are certain aspects which separate the two consoles, such as the split RAM setup of the PS3, and the mandatory 4.3GB install, but neither of these differences seem to hint at an absolute explanation for the problem.
The theory currently being proposed on the Bethesda forums (http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/topic/1298690-confirmation-of-memory-leak/) is that there's a memory leak. The idea here is that the PS3's RAM is slowly being filled up with data during the course of play, which forces the game to stream more regularly from the HDD, causing these momentary freezes.
Having profiled the phenomenon, we have our theories about what's going on too. Skyrim is a game with an enormous amount of objects and characters in play. The gradually expanding size of the save game strongly suggests that it acts as a database that keeps track of how the active pool of objects, characters and other elements has altered since the game began. Perhaps after reaching a certain size, database management requires much more processing.
Another theory concerns where Bethesda store this database. The split-pool RAM architecture on PS3 is more constrictive than it is on 360, and this is clearly a RAM-intensive game. We wonder if the save game resides in the graphics RAM instead of the XDR, which Cell addresses much more quickly. Bandwidth between the PS3 CPU and VRAM is a mere 16MB/s, compared to the 22GB/s access the 360 has to its unified 512MB of GDDR3. Advanced database management on a much larger save would have clear performance implications bearing in mind this bottleneck.

An Unbounded Game Running on Space-Constricted Systems

However, the most likely explanation is that an advanced Skyrim gameplay state - like the 65 hour one we tested - proves to be too much for the garbage collector, or memory defragmention method, struggling to cope with the multitude of gameplay elements that have been altered from the default "virgin" state stored on the hard drive. To test the possibility of this, we tried loading our 65 hour save and playing with it for 30 minutes, and then directly loading our new character save from the menu - the result being that the stuttering does indeed carry straight over to our virgin save. It suggests that memory has been allocated that the garbage collector cannot reclaim, which isn't flushed when the player returns to the menu screen and starts the game anew.
The bottom line is that Skyrim is an unbounded game world running on a space-constricted system - and this applies regardless of the platform you play it on, hence reports of the PC version running out of address space and displaying solid colours instead of textures. The PlayStation 3 is unfortunate in that it's the platform with the most oppressive RAM issues (in addition to the split-pool set-up of the memory, the OS has a larger footprint than its 360 equivalent) so it makes sense that it has the most noticeable issues. But we do have to wonder how 360 owners with a 65 hour-plus save are coping, and whether the same issue manifests for them - just further along in the gameplay. If any 360 owner has a similarly mammoth save, please get in touch.
Overall it's clearly disappointing that these performance issues persist on PS3 even after patch 2.01. The way in which Bethesda addressed the 360's texture streaming issue gives us hope that the company is aggressively chasing problems but the fact that this issue hasn't been resolved with its first attempt clearly casts doubts over whether an absolute fix is possible.
It suggests that the firm knows what the problem is but fixing it completely is much more of a challenge than simply reworking some errant code. Certainly the patch note suggesting that the issue relates merely to "occasional performance issues resulting from long term play" is an extraordinary level of understatement based on the evidence on this page, not to mention community feedback on Bethesda's forums, plus the sterling work by Future's Tim Clark (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/327827/features/skyrim-ps3-patch-helps-but-doesnt-fix-lag-issue/) in highlighting the problem.
Of course, playing the PS3 version in short 30 minute bursts and rebooting is unacceptable as is expecting players to fork out for another version after investing so much time into their existing purchase. Ultimately, it appears the only way forward for now is to leave feedback for Bethesda, detailing where the problems crop up most in your game. It's a position paying customers shouldn't find themselves in and the implication that the game was released without proper testing is troubling, but the sooner the problem can be isolated, the better for everyone.

For all PS3 owners, the game is faulty. Take it back and demand a refund. It is your right as a consumer.

Surely it cannot be long before Trading Standards are brought into the equation. I mean I know software has special concessions when it comes to quality, no software in the world above a certain complexity is bug free, it's impossible but Trading Standard state quite clearly that any product you buy has to be fit for purpose. It seems to me that for a lot of users the product is far from fit for purpose.

What other product would you buy from a manufacturer thinking you were getting nigh on 100% of the product advertised to then realise it doesn't work and you have to wait for the manufacturer to hopefully fix the issue on a large scale. You wouldn't do it with food, a bed, a car, a CD player or anything else I can think of and if it did happen with those things the company would be shitting it, knowing that they really need to do some good PR and damage limitation. I appreciate game patches when they fix minor niggles but issues like this are unacceptable and really quite disrespectful to their audience, in this case PS3 users. What's quite concerning is that people have reported this issue in previous Bethesda games, maybe not quite as dramatic but still there none the less so is this an issue deep at the core of the engine? Is it even feasible to be fixed 100% with a patch (by 100% I mean so it's comparable to the 360 version).

I'm not a games Dev, but it does sound very much like a memory leak. It almost sounds as if something like events are being subscribed to objects such as NPCs which are never unsubscribed which means there is always a strong reference to the item which will then stop the Memory Management from being able to cleanup those resources when it clearly should be able to. But really all this is purely conjecture and only Bethesda know the answer (you hope).

The ps3 has been out for years and devs are still making shitty versions of their games on the ps3.......

[Fenix]

Interesting read, three3-times (http://www.psu.com/forums/member.php/64346-three3-times). Now that I've added man more hours, and another 2+ MB to my gamesave, I am starting to see frequent lag again. Can always tell cause the HDD access LED is nearly always on at those times.


anybody joined the imperials instead of stormcloaks ?

I plan to pick imperials, talking to the people they seem to think the empire is the way to go. That and I'd rather not fuck over whiterun, I like that place. XD

[FdMstng99]

Does anyone know how many quests the main story has?
On a side note, you know that elf you can get as a follower from Riverwood? He died and I took my items back from him......a few week IRL time hes back in Riverwood...What the hell?
On that same side note, anyone know of Rexus from the Dark botherhood quests? He was the body guard for a certain someone that wanted a certain person in power killed? He was back at that dungeon where you first meet? I had killed him....before that....

Maybe he didn't want to follow you around anymore so he faked his own death?

[The Cage]

I plan to pick imperials, talking to the people they seem to think the empire is the way to go. That and I'd rather not fuck over whiterun, I like that place. XD

lol , both sides are interesting though


Maybe he didn't want to follow you around anymore so he faked his own death?

lmao :lol:

[TekkenLord]

Skyrim PS3 fix would require 'large time commitment', claims Fallout dev

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/328414/skyrim-ps3-fix-would-require-large-time-commitment-claims-fallout-dev/


Obsidian designer says lag problem is "engine-level issue"
Obsidian's Fallout: New Vegas director, Joshua Sawyer, has piped up to try and explain the technology problems currently plaguing the PS3 version of Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim.

Sawyer, whose game ran on seemingly similar base tech to Bethesda's epic RPG, has told fans on Formspring that the game's PS3 lag issues are likely an "engine-level issue" that would take a "large time commitment" to fix.

Sawyer explained that, on Bethesda's tech, the size of save files "can easily be a big problem, especially if you're on the PS3.

"The longer you play a character, the more bit differences on objects (characters, pencils on tables, containers, etc.) get saved off and carried around in memory," he explained. "I think we've seen save games that are pushing 19 megs, which can be really crippling in some areas."

Asked by a user if the engine problems are exclusive to PS3, Sawyer answered, "As with Fallout 3 and Skyrim, the problems are most pronounced on the PS3 because the PS3 has a divided memory pool."

He added: "The Xbox 360 has a unified memory pool: 512 megs of RAM usable as system memory or graphics memory. The PS3 has a divided memory pool: 256 megs for system, 256 for graphics. It's the same total amount of memory, but not as flexible for a developer to make use of."

Skyrim's problems are "an engine-level issue with how the save game data is stored", he claimed.

"We're talking about how the engine fundamentally saves off and references data at run time. Restructuring how that works would require a large time commitment."

Sawyer of course had no involvement in Skyrim's development - and it's not even clear how similar that game's technology is with its Fallout predecessor - but it's interesting to hear his insight at least.

[three3-times]

Game should be recalled man.....really feel sorry for you lot. has there every been a game THIS broken before?

[Cyn]

I just spent like 2 hours trying to find a spell that will increase my carry weight so I can enchant a ring with it. Only to find no such spell exists. So I have to find something that is already enchanted with it and disenchant... just to enchant something else. Can't do it with thieves guild armour either, how annoying!


Game should be recalled man.....really feel sorry for you lot. has there every been a game THIS broken before?
Fallout 3. lol

[The Cage]

Game should be recalled man.....really feel sorry for you lot. has there every been a game THIS broken before?

C'mon, it's not that broken just a few slowdowns here and there ... that's it

[Metal Warrior]

C'mon, it's not that broken just a few slowdowns here and there ... that's it

If you'd read the most recent Eurogamer article on the issue, you'd see it's very much game breaking. Just because you don't experience worse than a few slowdowns doesn't mean the issue isn't severe for others. It's clear from the article that it can happen to ANY PS3 if the savegame is complicated enough, and the results are dramatic. The game slows down almost to a complete halt during all but the most mundane sequences. It's fundamentally broken and you should count yourself extremely lucky to get through the entire game without gamestopping lag.

[btbam]

If you'd read the most recent Eurogamer article on the issue, you'd see it's very much game breaking. Just because you don't experience worse than a few slowdowns doesn't mean the issue isn't severe for others. It's clear from the article that it can happen to ANY PS3 if the savegame is complicated enough, and the results are dramatic. The game slows down almost to a complete halt during all but the most mundane sequences. It's fundamentally broken and you should count yourself extremely lucky to get through the entire game without gamestopping lag.

It's really just a sensationalized story that's been repeated over and over again. It happened to a very very small number, but everbody repeating those accounts make the situation sound more widespread than it is. My save file is like 9mb right now and the game works fine. Maybe the occasional studder, but it's far from game breaking. A few people with terrible lag suddenly became thousands because everbody was talking about lag. Jus yellow journalism IMO.

[Metal Warrior]

It's really just a sensationalized story that's been repeated over and over again. It happened to a very very small number, but everbody repeating those accounts make the situation sound more widespread than it is. My save file is like 9mb right now and the game works fine. Maybe the occasional studder, but it's far from game breaking. A few people with terrible lag suddenly became thousands because everbody was talking about lag. Jus yellow journalism IMO.

So their video footage showcasing the severity of the issue isn't conclusive enough? The ease with which they were able to reproduce the issue is the worrying part. Unless you assume they happen to be part of that "few people" as you call it, by some amazing coincidence.And there's the well documented history of Fallout 3 having similar issues. But hey, the more people brushing it off as nothing just because they don't experience the worst of it means the devs have less to worry about and are less likely to fix anything. Nice to see such solidarity and empathy in the gaming community. This attitude of "it doesn't affect me personally so I don't care" stinks.

[The Cage]

It's really just a sensationalized story that's been repeated over and over again. It happened to a very very small number, but everbody repeating those accounts make the situation sound more widespread than it is. My save file is like 9mb right now and the game works fine. Maybe the occasional studder, but it's far from game breaking. A few people with terrible lag suddenly became thousands because everbody was talking about lag. Jus yellow journalism IMO.


Exactly.

[RipleyExile]

I haven't got the game yet so can't comment on the issue personnaly, but what I'd like to know is what were they doing in that 60 hours of gameplay? Were they playing as the average gamer would be playing, or was it gameplay from a character built for a game review? I ask as I assume if it was a game review save they might have been trying to do as much as possible in as little time as possible. This could result in lots more stuff moved around, many more locations discovered, lots of half finished quests, etc and therefore result in a more complicated save file. Could this be the case and would it result in the problems experienced?

[three3-times]

So their video footage showcasing the severity of the issue isn't conclusive enough? The ease with which they were able to reproduce the issue is the worrying part. Unless you assume they happen to be part of that "few people" as you call it, by some amazing coincidence.And there's the well documented history of Fallout 3 having similar issues. But hey, the more people brushing it off as nothing just because they don't experience the worst of it means the devs have less to worry about and are less likely to fix anything. Nice to see such solidarity and empathy in the gaming community. This attitude of "it doesn't affect me personally so I don't care" stinks.

exactly

[Zoibie]

It's really just a sensationalized story that's been repeated over and over again. It happened to a very very small number, but everbody repeating those accounts make the situation sound more widespread than it is. My save file is like 9mb right now and the game works fine. Maybe the occasional studder, but it's far from game breaking. A few people with terrible lag suddenly became thousands because everbody was talking about lag. Jus yellow journalism IMO.

Really, you think a problem with a game that hits 0 frames per second is sensationalised? It may not be happening to you now, but the nature of the save system means that it will eventually and the more you play, the worse it will get. It's not an isolated glitch affecting the minority, it's simply the engine.

And what is in fact 'bad journalism' is copy pasting the 360 review as the PS3 review and calling it a day. If PS3 owners had known about this before hand, well, that would have been something else, but at least they wouldn't have been duped into buying 'the most bug-free Bethesda game.'

[The Cage]

Really, you think a problem with a game that hits 0 frames per second is sensationalised? It may not be happening to you now, but the nature of the save system means that it will eventually and the more you play, the worse it will get. It's not an isolated glitch affecting the minority, it's simply the engine.

And what is in fact 'bad journalism' is copy pasting the 360 review as the PS3 review and calling it a day. If PS3 owners had known about this before hand, well, that would have been something else, but at least they wouldn't have been duped into buying 'the most bug-free Bethesda game.'

Did you experience that "0" frame per second ?

[Zoibie]

Did you experience that "0" frame per second ?

It was in the DF video.

http://h9.abload.de/img/skyrimj9xgy.gif

[The Cage]

It was in the DF video.

http://h9.abload.de/img/skyrimj9xgy.gif


So if it was there then it's automatically a fact?

Obviously they played it on the PC and their comp is rubbish

[-Kwesnoth-]

Does anyone else hate esbern and dalphine?

[The Cage]

Does anyone else hate esbern and dalphine?

I hate her lol

[-Kwesnoth-]

I only hate Esbern cause he is so buggy. :lol:

She just annoys the hell out of me.

[The Cage]

I only hate Esbern cause he is so buggy. :lol:

She just annoys the hell out of me.

Haha :lol:

[Zoibie]

So if it was there then it's automatically a fact?

Obviously they played it on the PC and their comp is rubbish

:lol: I... really don't know what to say. Watch the video, I'm sure there's some instance of a the x button prompt appearing on screen. Although you're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to discredit Digital Foundry.

[Acid Snake]

:lol: I... really don't know what to say. Watch the video, I'm sure there's some instance of a the x button prompt appearing on screen. Although you're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to discredit Digital Foundry. I think it's kinda odd that gamers shrug these problems off like they're nothing. I can completely understand letting a few bugs and issues slide by if the game is great enough. But at some point, I would think gamers would draw the line. The possibility of getting zero frames per second as the game goes on, should be that line.

[The Cage]

:lol: I... really don't know what to say. Watch the video, I'm sure there's some instance of a the x button prompt appearing on screen. Although you're fighting a losing battle if you're trying to discredit Digital Foundry.

Say whatever you want, that article got trolling all over it

the video could be rendered, if I were you i wouldn't follow any reviewer

Simply if you don't like a game don't bash it, you are free to stop playing it

[Zoibie]

Say whatever you want, that article got trolling all over it

the video could be rendered, if I were you i wouldn't follow any reviewer

Simply if you don't like a game don't bash it, you are free to stop playing it

But that's just the thing, I love the game and I want to keep playing it without having to worry that the more I do so, it will keep getting worse.

Also, no, there aren't many more trustworthy than DF.

[The Cage]

But that's just the thing, I love the game and I want to keep playing it without having to worry that the more I do so, it will keep getting worse.

Also, no, there aren't many more trustworthy than DF.

again, did you experience any of the stuff written in that article?

[Cyn]

Does anyone else hate esbern and dalphine?
Yes. I can't believe that got through QA. Even for Bethesda. His lips don't even move! If I didn't have the console to get through the part where you go get him then the entire main quest from then on would have been closed to me

Aaela the huntress is also a bugged character, hate her too

[Blacksite]

A bit off-topic, but I'm thinking of playing through Morrowind next week. Should be fun. And it's considered the best in the Elder Scrolls series.

I downloaded Daggerfall last night but it takes so long to get anywhere. :P

[Zoibie]

again, did you experience any of the stuff written in that article?

I'm not far enough in for it to be a problem for me, so yeah, without experiencing these things for myself, I suppose I am taking this stuff on faith. But there's plenty of reason for me to be worried.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/forum/182-playstation-3/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452767
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453208
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454241&page=18

[Yuuichi]

Aaela the huntress is also a bugged character, hate her too

BLASPHEMY!!! That's my wife lol.

[Blacksite]

Well, now this is awkward. >.>

[The Cage]

I'm not far enough in for it to be a problem for me, so yeah, without experiencing these things for myself, I suppose I am taking this stuff on faith. But there's plenty of reason for me to be worried.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/index.php?/forum/182-playstation-3/
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=452767
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=453208
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=454241&page=18

Don't worry nothing will happen, don't rely on websites
just play the game and enjoy it

[Rapture]

BLASPHEMY!!! That's my wife lol.

I believe you mean "waifu." :p

[LfCpS3]

Does anyone else hate esbern and dalphine?

The old guy is ok, but i do dislike the woman a lot.

[Daggers21]

The old guy is ok, but i do dislike the woman a lot.That old guy glitched and made me reload three times, since he froze in fight stance thinking there was a guy near him....
The dwarf city is pissing me off, you can't do shit in it because the guards try and take me to jail for that quest....I already went to the jail and got out!!!!!!!!!! Piss off!

[three3-times]

No point disputing it, the game on the ps3 is pretty much broken and should never of been released for the ps3 in that state

[Agriel]

all this talk of bugs is the main reason I got the game for PC, at least with the PC version you dont need the devs to fix the bugs, they can be fix by modders

[1261shaun]

That old guy glitched and made me reload three times, since he froze in fight stance thinking there was a guy near him....
The dwarf city is pissing me off, you can't do shit in it because the guards try and take me to jail for that quest....I already went to the jail and got out!!!!!!!!!! Piss off!bought the game day one, did the first quest where you kill the dragon, and get the chance to buy your first house, so i have a house in whiterun, i never commited any crimes, so i go back to to my house and for some reason everyone in whiterun wants to kill me, they dont even want to arrest me, so i escape to riverwood, same thing everyone wants to kill me, this pissed me off so much i sold the game, and dont get me started on the frame rate issues, i cannot believe bethesda released the game in that state, back to fallout 3.

[Daggers21]

bought the game day one, did the first quest where you kill the dragon, and get the chance to buy your first house, so i have a house in whiterun, i never commited any crimes, so i go back to to my house and for some reason everyone in whiterun wants to kill me, they dont even want to arrest me, so i escape to riverwood, same thing everyone wants to kill me, this pissed me off so much i sold the game, and dont get me started on the frame rate issues, i cannot believe bethesda released the game in that state, back to fallout 3. I have actually never had many issues with the other games such as Fallout 3, besides that one glitch where I froze trying to get into tenpenny tower.....everytime. I mean, I love Skyrim...it's just so hard to play after 6 freezes in a row.

[Enthroll]

A bit off-topic, but I'm thinking of playing through Morrowind next week. Should be fun. And it's considered the best in the Elder Scrolls series.

I used to think that too, then I took an arrow to the knee.

It was amazing, but after the first hours of Skyrim I lifted my jaw back in place and decided it's the best among Elder Scrolls III - V (haven't played Daggerfall nor Arena). Today I still think it's the best, everything is what an open world dark fantasy RPG should be.

Can't wait to get back to Skyrim after work :mrgreen:

Btw, you should check out the Morrowind Overhaul 2.0 mod - it upgrades the graphics.

[The Cage]

No point disputing it, the game on the ps3 is pretty much broken and should never of been released for the ps3 in that state

No one forced you to buy and play the game on the PS3, you are free to stop.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Loving the game despite the bugs. I have two characters, a high elf mage who is now the arch mage of the mage college, and my newer char is a cat race thief. He looks badass, I chose black fur and the blue eyes. I love his ability to have night vision, it's the perfect ability for a stealthy thief/assassin. He specialises in bow, dual wielding daggers for CQC and of course stealth, lockpicking and pickpocketing. I'm currently doing the Thieves Guild missions while waiting to find info on the Dark Brotherhood.

I find this character a lot more fun and rewarding to play with. I am very happy with him, from his appearance to his skills. I still want to make a dark elf necromancer and a nord two handed warrior. I think my thief will be my pride and joy though.

[three3-times]

No one forced you to buy and play the game on the PS3, you are free to stop.

lol, ok dude, i actually did and brought it on the 360 instead. i dunno why you are so upset that people, myself inculding are high lighting such a major flaw with the game,

[The Cage]

Loving the game despite the bugs. I have two characters, a high elf mage who is now the arch mage of the mage college, and my newer char is a cat race thief. He looks badass, I chose black fur and the blue eyes. I love his ability to have night vision, it's the perfect ability for a stealthy thief/assassin. He specialises in bow, dual wielding daggers for CQC and of course stealth, lockpicking and pickpocketing. I'm currently doing the Thieves Guild missions while waiting to find info on the Dark Brotherhood.

I find this character a lot more fun and rewarding to play with. I am very happy with him, from his appearance to his skills. I still want to make a dark elf necromancer and a nord two handed warrior. I think my thief will be my pride and joy though.

That's interesting :)


lol, ok dude, i actually did and brought it on the 360 instead. i dunno why you are so upset that people, myself inculding are high lighting such a major flaw with the game,

Not upset but i hate when ppl complain and bash games, i do own 2 copies of Skyrim on the Ps3 and 360 and both are playable, never experienced any of that "0" frame rate per second

ppl should put in mind that Skyrim isn't like any other type of games
it's a huge game just like fallout.. it's like Skyrim is the first game that encounter these bugs , i've seen much worse on some other games.

[Eltimas]

Been away for a week. Just got back and I freakin' miss Skyrim!

Skyrim's life>real life.

[three3-times]

That's interesting :)



Not upset but i hate when ppl complain and bash games, i do own 2 copies of Skyrim on the Ps3 and 360 and both are playable, never experienced any of that "0" frame rate per second

ppl should put in mind that Skyrim isn't like any other type of games
it's a huge game just like fallout.. it's like Skyrim is the first game that encounter these bugs , i've seen much worse on some other games.

no one is bashing the game pal, i love this game like NO OTHER, i just think its unnaceptable from bethsdha to release such a shit version on the ps3.......

[The Cage]

no one is bashing the game pal, i love this game like NO OTHER, i just think its unnaceptable from bethsdha to release such a shit version on the ps3.......

It's harder for the devs to make games on the PS3

[Cyn]

all this talk of bugs is the main reason I got the game for PC, at least with the PC version you dont need the devs to fix the bugs, they can be fix by modders
That's all fine and dandy except they won't be releasing the creation kit until January, by which time I hope to have finished a large part of the game and will have experienced loads of the bugs already.

And all the major bugs I am running into, the game breaking, quest ending, utterly ridiculous shit, appears to be PC only problems.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Thank god it worked.

I didn't want to have that stupid peace council so I opted to defeat the empire, and kill general tulsis instead.

[Metal Warrior]

Not upset but i hate when ppl complain and bash games, i do own 2 copies of Skyrim on the Ps3 and 360 and both are playable, never experienced any of that "0" frame rate per second

ppl should put in mind that Skyrim isn't like any other type of games
it's a huge game just like fallout.. it's like Skyrim is the first game that encounter these bugs , i've seen much worse on some other games.

You've mixed up fair criticism with bashing a game. I think it's one of the finest games ever released and don't even think it's particularly buggy (as in: amount of bugs) for a game of its size. But there IS something seriously wrong with the PS3 version and it would be in everyone's (well, at least the PS3 players) best interest if it was fixed. The article in Eurogamer was called a "troll" article a few pages back (by you I think, not sure), but it should be encouraged because it's a good way to raise awareness with the devs. Don't you see, people just want it fixed.

[The Cage]

You've mixed up fair criticism with bashing a game. I think it's one of the finest games ever released and don't even think it's particularly buggy (as in: amount of bugs) for a game of its size. But there IS something seriously wrong with the PS3 version and it would be in everyone's (well, at least the PS3 players) best interest if it was fixed. The article in Eurogamer was called a "troll" article a few pages back (by you I think, not sure), but it should be encouraged because it's a good way to raise awareness with the devs. Don't you see, people just want it fixed.

The ps3 version isn't "broken" maybe a few ppl got bad copies but not to the level where it's not playable
that "0" frame per second i do Not believe, i do agree that there are bugs and issues that should be fixed
but there is still trolling where they bash the ps3 version

[Yuuichi]

Playing ps3 version with usual slow down afyer a few hours. I reset and good to go. A few minor bugs but it is playable.

[Metal Warrior]

The ps3 version isn't "broken" maybe a few ppl got bad copies but not to the level where it's not playable
that "0" frame per second i do Not believe, i do agree that there are bugs and issues that should be fixed
but there is still trolling where they bash the ps3 version

I don't see any trolling or bashing, I believe you're much too quick on the defensive (for example claiming they flat-out lie). But your mind is set so no point trying to argue anymore.

[The Cage]

I don't see any trolling or bashing, I believe you're much too quick on the defensive (for example claiming they flat-out lie). But your mind is set so no point trying to argue anymore.

You're much too quick to believe them just cuz they have written that article and stated that in it

I have the bloody game don't i? i can play with no problems
and again, i have the 360 version as well.

[Metal Warrior]

You're much too quick to believe them just cuz they have written that article and stated that in it

I have the bloody game don't i? i can play with no problems
and again, i have the 360 version as well.

I have the game as well, and I've experienced a gradual decline in performance once my file hit 4MB. At 5MB+ it became a serious annoyance. Turning all autosave features off decreased the file size to under 5MB where it's stayed for a while now, which keeps it stable and playable (I fear it won't last though). So my own experience is consistent with all the reports and the article. Not to mention that the same issues occurred in Fallout 3 on the PS3. And even Fallout NV's lead designer commented on it, citing that the engine's way of handling save games is very difficult to handle on the PS3.

I don't really want to continue this though, enough has been said about it, if you don't believe it you don't believe it. I just hope Bethesda treat it more seriously than you do.

[*goo]

You're much too quick to believe them just cuz they have written that article and stated that in it

I have the bloody game don't i? i can play with no problems
and again, i have the 360 version as well.

You appear to be really quite emotionally invested in this, though I can't understand why.

Just because you haven't experienced problems, doesn't mean everyone who does is lying. Accept it's not perfect, it's not a far stretch given the developers track record as well as variety of sites discussing issues.

[The Cage]

I have the game as well, and I've experienced a gradual decline in performance once my file hit 4MB. At 5MB+ it became a serious annoyance. Turning all autosave features off decreased the file size to under 5MB where it's stayed for a while now, which keeps it stable and playable (I fear it won't last though). So my own experience is consistent with all the reports and the article. Not to mention that the same issues occurred in Fallout 3 on the PS3. And even Fallout NV's lead designer commented on it, citing that the engine's way of handling save games is very difficult to handle on the PS3.

I don't really want to continue this though, enough has been said about it, if you don't believe it you don't believe it. I just hope Bethesda treat it more seriously than you do.

So it's the PS3's fault not Bethesda's

Also you could play the game so it IS playable , the issue is there but what i said is about the game being not playable and about that "0" frame per second


my save file is about 9MB and the game is playable


You appear to be really quite emotionally invested in this, though I can't understand why.

Just because you haven't experienced problems, doesn't mean everyone who does is lying. Accept it's not perfect, it's not a far stretch given the developers track record as well as variety of sites discussing issues.

Im not talking about ppl having trouble with the game, im talking about that article stating that the game isn't playable and spicing it up more plus that "0" frame per second

we all know that the game got some bugs here and there and there are slowdowns and lag but it's still playable

[Zoibie]

Patch 1.2 was supposed to fix this issue for PS3 users, is that only for people who started their save after 1.2? When did you start playing Cage?

[Vulgotha]

It's called anecdotal evidence Cage.


By the way, now that I'm level 35+ I've noticed that my odds of decapitating people are extremely high.. Especially if they're weaker than me. I behead people constantly.

There was one instance where I wish to God I had fraps running. Two vigilants of Styngaard came up and lectured me about "walking in the light, or we'll drag you in it"- arguably not the best thing to say to a man on an evil daedric steed with glowing eyes, full demonic armor and a possessed mace of a higher daedric god.... Who is also part werewolf. So I knocked their heads off (both women). Their heads rolled down the hill and picked up momentum. After about 4 seconds they were going at speeds well over twice what I could do on horseback and they were following the road all the way through town.

Lost sight of them.

Absolutely. Hilarious.

[Completely Average]

And all the major bugs I am running into, the game breaking, quest ending, utterly ridiculous shit, appears to be PC only problems.

That's strange, I've got over 80 hours into the PC version of Skyrim, and other than some occasional very minor texturing issues, the only problem I've run into was a single button that didn't work which kept me from getting a single treasure chest, and I've only had one crash.





i never commited any crimes, so i go back to to my house and for some reason everyone in whiterun wants to kill me, they dont even want to arrest me, so i escape to riverwood, same thing everyone wants to kill me.

Dude, put your weapon away. They will never give you the option of arrest or pay a fine if your weapon is drawn.

[Eltimas]

All this PS3 version talk worries me. My save is not 5MB yet, but will eventually be.
And I'm not planning on disabling the auto-save, it is what been saving my arse all the time. :(

Should I abandon everything and get the 360 version? I haven't progressed that much in the game.

[The Cage]

Patch 1.2 was supposed to fix this issue for PS3 users, is that only for people who started their save after 1.2? When did you start playing Cage?

Nov 12


All this PS3 version talk worries me. My save is not 5MB yet, but will eventually be.
And I'm not planning on disabling the auto-save, it is what been saving my arse all the time. :(

Should I abandon everything and get the 360 version? I haven't progressed that much in the game.


It will be fixed, it's just about time... the 360 version got issues too it freezes as well but it is up to you

both versions are playable, don't worry it's not that bad just some slowdowns here and there sometimes

[three3-times]

http://www.shoptonews.net/2011/12/06/bethedsa-updates-on-skyrim-ps3-issues/

[The Cage]

http://www.shoptonews.net/2011/12/06/bethedsa-updates-on-skyrim-ps3-issues/

Good to see them caring about the game

[three3-times]

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214016p1.html

p (http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214016p1.html)atch 1.3 details

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/121/1214091p1.html

[Blacksite]

I used to think that too, then I took an arrow to the knee.
Wow, call me crazy, but this joke never gets old. :lol:


It was amazing, but after the first hours of Skyrim I lifted my jaw back in place and decided it's the best among Elder Scrolls III - V (haven't played Daggerfall nor Arena). Today I still think it's the best, everything is what an open world dark fantasy RPG should be.
The only Elder Scrolls games I've played were Oblivion, Skyrim, and Daggerfall, in that order. Daggerfall is surprisingly hard though. But I'm slowly getting used to the combat and traveling around the massive land (even if it's easier to just pull up the map and instantly warp to certain areas).


Btw, you should check out the Morrowind Overhaul 2.0 mod - it upgrades the graphics.
Yeah, I saw some pictures the other day. It looked nice.

[Alpha]

My save file is also at 9MB, and had a few crashes last night, some lag here and there, but I'm still good to go, and enjoying the game.

Those were my first crashes, and happened both times when entering a dungeon.

Game is amazing, and if I get 0 fps lag, as long as it does not last long, and allows me to continue, I will continue playing this.

[LfCpS3]

Anyone else surprised how big the" then i took an arrow to the knee" line has become?

I mean many many youtube vidoes, even those that have nothing to do with gaming, have this either as the top comment or in the comment box.

[The Cage]

Anyone else surprised how big the" then i took an arrow to the knee" line has become?

I mean many many youtube vidoes, even those that have nothing to do with gaming, have this either as the top comment or in the comment box.

It's pretty funny though

[-Kwesnoth-]

My stealth character.
http://i.imgur.com/VVZz7.jpg

Hilarious that anyone believed I was a chef.
http://i.imgur.com/EC8Ph.jpg

Horses in skyrim do it differently then horses here. :snicker
http://i.imgur.com/VUmqa.jpg

[Daggers21]

Anyone else surprised how big the" then i took an arrow to the knee" line has become?

I mean many many youtube vidoes, even those that have nothing to do with gaming, have this either as the top comment or in the comment box.My god man...it's a new meme!

[btbam]

My stealth character.
http://i.imgur.com/VVZz7.jpg

Hilarious that anyone believed I was a chef.
http://i.imgur.com/EC8Ph.jpg

Horses in skyrim do it differently then horses here. :snicker
http://i.imgur.com/VUmqa.jpg

I found 2 horses intersecting once. Both occupyuing the same area at a 90 degree angle. It was odd, but I just chuckled for a second and moved on.

[-Kwesnoth-]

It was wierd when I saw it.

I found the a very glitchy dragon over in the Rift in the tundra. Been trying to kill him for about 20 minutes, he flies up-side down, backwards, and on rare occasions points straight up and teleports :lol:

[three3-times]

for ps3 uk peeps. amazon and gamestation are selling skyrim for £22.99!

[-Kwesnoth-]

22!? :shock:

[The Cage]

22!? :shock:

23 lol

[*goo]

My copy was starting to show signs of issues so I've arranged to return it to Amazon for a full refund and have purchased the PC version (Gamestation £20) instead.

Hopefully, they'll fix the issues completely so I can get it again at a future date and continue my game on PS3.

[TekkenLord]

PS3 Safe Mode Could Improve Skyrim Lag

http://www.gamezone.com/news/ps3-safe-mode-could-improve-skyrim-lag


Earlier today, Bethesda offered three ways to help the game's performance on PS3. The tips were to turn off auto saves, clear spac eon your hard drive, and wait for time to pass.

While it's not guaranteed to solve the problem, they did inform us that they are receiving "positive feedback from folks that are clearing hard drive space."

According to their latest update, "having at least 2GB of free space will help the system emmory work with the PlayStation 3 hard drive more effectively.

"If you can free up more space than that, it’s possible you’ll have better results," they said.

In addition to those tips, they may have found another way to help with the performance. The PS3's Safe Mode feature includes options that can help with memory fragmentation. According to the community manager:

Restore File System. Attempts to repair all areas on the hard disk drive where files can be saved. Corrupted data may be erased, which can help performance.

If you choose not to enter Safe Mode, you can manually delete corrupted saves within the XMB menu. Go to Games>Saved Game Utility. Within the menu, delete any corrupted save files. These files can be created from Skyrim and other games when a game doesn’t save properly (shutting down the console before an autosave completes, etc).

Rebuild Database. Will help with memory fragmentation on the PS3 HDD. Note: Using Rebuild Database will erase messages, playlists, changes made on [Information] screens, trimming information for pictures in [Photo], video thumbnails, video playback history and video resume information. The content that is erased will not be recoverable.


It should be noted that Sony does not recommend using the Safe Mode options unless you are experiencing issues with the PlayStation 3. Some of the options can result in loss of data. So in other words, do this as a last resort and at your own risk.

The Skyrim 1.3 patch was just released on PC today, and submitted to Sony and Microsoft for approval. Pending approval, it should be released later this week, but Bethesda has already said the recent patch will not address the lag issues.

In the meantime, I'd suggest using these pointerss to help solve the problems, at least temporarily while Bethesda works on a long-term solution.

[btbam]

It was wierd when I saw it.

I found the a very glitchy dragon over in the Rift in the tundra. Been trying to kill him for about 20 minutes, he flies up-side down, backwards, and on rare occasions points straight up and teleports :lol:

The first time i talked to paarthunax, he flew up and circled around while he was talking. Thankfully i had subtitle on or i wouldn't have heard a word. I was like "what a jerk!" can't even land and talk!" lol, then i realized it was a glitch cus the flight path was abnormally tight. Almost looked like he was pivioting on his wing edge

[Alpha]

Last night, I went into settings, and disabled all three automatic saves, and WOW, the load times have made a huge difference. My save file is around 9MB now, and saves were getting longer and longer. Loads are now 2 to 3 seconds to get in a house, were before it was like 10 to 15 seconds. Makes a big difference in the enjoyment of the game.

I don't know, but the frame rate is really smooth also. Strange that, as I'm not sure how that could be effected. Maybe someone else could try this, and see if they can perceive the same thing?

Now, I just make a habit of saving every now and then, which I was doing anyway.

[The Cage]

Last night, I went into settings, and disabled all three automatic saves, and WOW, the load times have made a huge difference. My save file is around 9MB now, and saves were getting longer and longer. Loads are now 2 to 3 seconds to get in a house, were before it was like 10 to 15 seconds. Makes a big difference in the enjoyment of the game.

I don't know, but the frame rate is really smooth also. Strange that, as I'm not sure how that could be effected. Maybe someone else could try this, and see if they can perceive the same thing?

Now, I just make a habit of saving every now and then, which I was doing anyway.

I think the problem isn't from the game but from the PS3 itself , because of the way the PS3 saves


I'll try that later and see what happens :)

[Funeralfog]

where the fuck is everyone getting all of these problems?

anyways. i find it satisfying to walk up on an enemy stronghold in daedric armor, then summoning a dragon... i thought it might take the excitement out. but i find it to be very fun

[The Cage]

where the fuck is everyone getting all of these problems?

anyways. i find it satisfying to walk up on an enemy stronghold in daedric armor, then summoning a dragon... i thought it might take the excitement out. but i find it to be very fun

No idea lol

[shadebathe]

for ps3 uk peeps. amazon and gamestation are selling skyrim for £22.99!

Game are doing it for the same price. I popped in at lunch time and they were re-pricing it.

Picked it up for 360 though as of the two consoles, which I own both, 360 has less (?) issues. I'm talking mainly about the 9 ish cap and the lag that follows. Soon find out about any 360 though.

I bought both Fallout / Fallout New Vegas on PS3 and decided not too buy another open world on it after that. Having said that Im having a ball with RDR GOTY and havn't found many game breakers.

Cheers dude. + REP.

[gumionday]

where the fuck is everyone getting all of these problems?

anyways. i find it satisfying to walk up on an enemy stronghold in daedric armor, then summoning a dragon... i thought it might take the excitement out. but i find it to be very fun

Just playing it, will do it for most. Luckily for me no real lag unless i play for more than 2 hours at a time and magika resistance is in the toilet. No backwards dragons yet........
I guess just be glad that you aren't experiencing these problems because for most who do they cannot play, and their $60 is just collecting dust.

[Metal Warrior]

Last night, I went into settings, and disabled all three automatic saves, and WOW, the load times have made a huge difference. My save file is around 9MB now, and saves were getting longer and longer. Loads are now 2 to 3 seconds to get in a house, were before it was like 10 to 15 seconds. Makes a big difference in the enjoyment of the game.

I don't know, but the frame rate is really smooth also. Strange that, as I'm not sure how that could be effected. Maybe someone else could try this, and see if they can perceive the same thing?

Now, I just make a habit of saving every now and then, which I was doing anyway.

I've recommended this as well, a few pages back even, because it made such difference in my case. It seems the autosaves increase the size of a savegame way too quickly, and since the performance is linked to the amount of stuff in your "history" that can be a source of serious lag. I've also heard other suggestions that make sense, like waiting a bout a month in the game as that clears up corpses and stuff lying about. Must be a tedious process to sit through but it sounds plausible.

[Eltimas]

I spent a fair amount of hours in Skyrim today. The game overwhelms the more you get into it. I'm now level 14 focusing only on block, heavy armor, one hand weapons and have no perks spent on magicks nor assassin skills. All my levels are spent on stamina and health leaving my magicka at zero. With all I did so far, am I going to be fine? Or I need to be more diverse?

I found couple of master lock-picking chests that I couldn't open. I'm not even going to remember their locations later when I get the ability to unlock them.

I got accepted in The Circle and turned into a werewolf. I thought The Companions and their missions were the main story, until I finally talked to the Jarl of Whiterun only to realize that this is actually the main quest for he asked me to fight the dragon that attacked the town where I was going to be executed.

If I really need to progress, I honestly need to leave my urge to collect everything and discover all, because I've spent too many hours in Whiterun. I open the map and see how many undiscovered places there are, I think to myself I'll never finish this game lol.

[-Kwesnoth-]

I spent a fair amount of hours in Skyrim today. The game overwhelms the more you get into it. I'm now level 14 focusing only on block, heavy armor, one hand weapons and have no perks spent on magicks nor assassin skills. All my levels are spent on stamina and health leaving my magicka at zero. With all I did so far, am I going to be fine? Or I need to be more diverse?

I found couple of master lock-picking chests that I couldn't open. I'm not even going to remember their locations later when I get the ability to unlock them.

I got accepted in The Circle and turned into a werewolf. I thought The Companions and their missions were the main story, until I finally talked to the Jarl of Whiterun only to realize that this is actually the main quest for he asked me to fight the dragon that attacked the town where I was going to be executed.

If I really need to progress, I honestly need to leave my urge to collect everything and discover all, because I've spent too many hours in Whiterun. I open the map and see how many undiscovered places there are, I think to myself I'll never finish this game lol.

Its up to you on how diverse your person is, having to do with magic. My first character, a nord warrior, staight up, heavy armor, two handed weapons, and smithing. but its good to have enough magic to heal yourself.

With my new guy I'm more diverse, but lean more towards sneaking. And let me tell you, I can down a giant with one hit if sneaking with me dagger. It does 40 damage, and 15x that when I sneak hit. :lol:

[Ghost-Rhayne]

I am purposely not doing everything with one character, this way I have heaps of fresh content for future ones. I sank over 1000 hours into Fallout 3, and can see myself doing even more on Skyrim. I have my arch mage high elf and my guild master thief/assassin khajiit, I want to make a dark elf necromancer (who may or may not be a vampire) and want to make my official nord dragonborn character who will be heavy armored 2 handed badass. :D This game is like crack to someone like me.

[Eltimas]

Its up to you on how diverse your person is, having to do with magic. My first character, a nord warrior, staight up, heavy armor, two handed weapons, and smithing. but its good to have enough magic to heal yourself.

With my new guy I'm more diverse, but lean more towards sneaking. And let me tell you, I can down a giant with one hit if sneaking with me dagger. It does 40 damage, and 15x that when I sneak hit. :lol:

Damn!
In my opinion, the game environment, era, story and atmosphere only fit that of a hardened fully-fledged warrior. Doing battles head on. Smashing their faces with my axe while looking at them right in the eye.

Also I wonder why the game doesn't teach its players how to use the new acquired abilities or provide tutorials in the beginning. I mean I still don't know what a shout does or how it works, neither they told me how to actually turn into a werewolf.

[Ghost-Rhayne]

Its up to you on how diverse your person is, having to do with magic. My first character, a nord warrior, staight up, heavy armor, two handed weapons, and smithing. but its good to have enough magic to heal yourself.

With my new guy I'm more diverse, but lean more towards sneaking. And let me tell you, I can down a giant with one hit if sneaking with me dagger. It does 40 damage, and 15x that when I sneak hit. :lol:

There is a way to make it x30 :D My thief is also quite badass hehe.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Also I wonder why the game doesn't teach its players how to use the new acquired abilities or provide tutorials in the beginning. I mean I still don't know what a shout does or how it works, neither they told me how to actually turn into a werewolf.

Look in your magic section of your menu, its all in there.

Or do you mean what a shout actually is? Its just a mortal, speaking the tongue of a dragon, for dragons what they say become reality, such as breathing fire.

But yeah, the game does seem for mighty Nord warriors, but it got a little boring for me when not even a dragon could hurt me, I could just walk to a fort, take any damage, and kill the enemy with 1 hit. And that was on a high difficulty lvl.

[Eltimas]

Look in your magic section of your menu, its all in there.

Or do you mean what a shout actually is? Its just a mortal, speaking the tongue of a dragon, for dragons what they say become reality, such as breathing fire.

But yeah, the game does seem for mighty Nord warriors, but it got a little boring for me when not even a dragon could hurt me, I could just walk to a fort, take any damage, and kill the enemy with 1 hit. And that was on a high difficulty lvl.

You played on more than one character? What were they?

[itachi73378]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yekvcBw8FCs&feature=g-pop

[The Cage]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yekvcBw8FCs&feature=g-pop

Holy *************************** wth?! :lol:

[Wolf616]

I spent a fair amount of hours in Skyrim today. The game overwhelms the more you get into it. I'm now level 14 focusing only on block, heavy armor, one hand weapons and have no perks spent on magicks nor assassin skills. All my levels are spent on stamina and health leaving my magicka at zero. With all I did so far, am I going to be fine? Or I need to be more diverse?

I found couple of master lock-picking chests that I couldn't open. I'm not even going to remember their locations later when I get the ability to unlock them.

I got accepted in The Circle and turned into a werewolf. I thought The Companions and their missions were the main story, until I finally talked to the Jarl of Whiterun only to realize that this is actually the main quest for he asked me to fight the dragon that attacked the town where I was going to be executed.

If I really need to progress, I honestly need to leave my urge to collect everything and discover all, because I've spent too many hours in Whiterun. I open the map and see how many undiscovered places there are, I think to myself I'll never finish this game lol.

I've spent over 50 hours (on my only character) playing thus far and still haven't done any of the main quests or explored most of the cities.

[Fenix]

So I'm creating a few sets of armour for 2H, 1H, Set for better enchantments, and set for better potions.

But I'm curious about something, Magic Resistance - does that work for dragons too? Or am I better off wasting three enchants - two for Frost resistance, and 1 for fire reistance (Im a dark self, so I get 50% already - frost/fire seems to be at 40% with 100 enchantment so nearly 100%) - instead of two magic resistance?

I ask cause Ancient Dragons kick my ass like no tomororw cause of how much HP they got and how easy they can deal fire/frost damage, and I'm starting to see a lot of them now.

[-Kwesnoth-]

You played on more than one character? What were they?

I put in around 100 hours on my Nord Warrior, then started the game over as a stealth character.

It feels awesome taking out an entire castle of bandits without any of them seeing you or even being alerted to my presence.

[Wolf616]

Turns out a Skyrim crash may have corrupted my hard drive. Oh joy of joys. Will report back later.

[Wolf616]

Phew, my PS3 was just trying to scare me - it seems no lasting damage has been done.

[The Cage]

Phew, my PS3 was just trying to scare me - it seems no lasting damage has been done.

lol c'mon, games got nothing to do with that mate

[Rapture]

PC master race reporting in- Mods are awesome.

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/677/screenshot23u.png

[Wolf616]

lol c'mon, games got nothing to do with that mate

I beg to differ; Skyrim crashed leading to me having to turn it off by pressing the button on the console. When I rebooted it a message appeared along the lines of, "Blah blah hard drive corruption due to not being turned off properly blah blah". So the fact that Skyrim crashed, thus forcing me to turn it off does mean it was the games 'fault'. Now, where's the 'I HATE BETHESDA AND THEIR SHITTY BUGGY GAMES' bandwagon for me to jump on? :p

[The Cage]

I beg to differ; Skyrim crashed leading to me having to turn it off by pressing the button on the console. When I rebooted it a message appeared along the lines of, "Blah blah hard drive corruption due to not being turned off properly blah blah". So the fact that Skyrim crashed, thus forcing me to turn it off does mean it was the games 'fault'. Now, where's the 'I HATE BETHESDA AND THEIR SHITTY BUGGY GAMES' bandwagon for me to jump on? :p


It can happen with Any game or App, it got nothing to do with Skyrim


PC master race reporting in- Mods are awesome.



wow!, looks like an anime movie lol

[Completely Average]

I spent a fair amount of hours in Skyrim today. The game overwhelms the more you get into it. I'm now level 14 focusing only on block, heavy armor, one hand weapons and have no perks spent on magicks nor assassin skills. All my levels are spent on stamina and health leaving my magicka at zero. With all I did so far, am I going to be fine? Or I need to be more diverse?

I found couple of master lock-picking chests that I couldn't open. I'm not even going to remember their locations later when I get the ability to unlock them.


2nd part first.

There are no locks that you cannot pick, even at the lowest skill level. Being a higher skill simply makes the "sweet spot" where it unlocks wider, but if you're willing to break several (possibly many) lockpicks, you can unlock a Master Lock even at the lowest skill level

And the harder the lock, the more experience in Lockpicking you gain from opening it. I opened a Master Lock at level 19 and went up 3 full levels in Lockpicking because of it.



Now, as to diversity, you can use any skill at any time, and your skill level will increase as you use the skill. You don't have to "make" a character in an Elder Scrolls game, just play the way you want and the character will tailor itself to your playing style all by itself.

[Daggers21]

Why is it just this game causing so many people issues? If it was the whole console most games if not all would be having this issue reported? The way the game saves to the system perhaps? It definitely has to do with the auto saves as far from what they have told us, that or it's how the game handles the ram..ie Flushing out the ram on information no longer needed.

[*goo]

It can happen with Any game or App, it got nothing to do with Skyrim

Awesome rationale there. If it happens with any other game or app, it's likely that game or apps fault at the time it's being used.

In this instance it sounds like it was Skyrim's fault. Software CAN crash hardware.






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[Inzane2050]

Who cares? The actual game is great. Bugs can be fixed anyways.

[Cyklops]

Goddamnit. Just found out that I cannot get a platinum with my current save. I can't become Thieves Guild Master, seeing as I sold all my guild armor without upgrading anyone of them. Guess, a new game just for that isn't gonna hurt.

[*goo]

Who cares? The actual game is great. Bugs can be fixed anyways.

'Thanks for the update, Captain Obvious'

:)

[The Cage]

Awesome rationale there. If it happens with any other game or app, it's likely that game or apps fault at the time it's being used.In this instance it sounds like it was Skyrim's fault. Software CAN crash hardware.Obligatory TapaTalk signature.Most of people don't know much about hardware, when they have a system crash they blame it on that game they were playing,systems can crash without even playing a game or app, the HDD can sometimes conflict data which makes it stutter so then it freeze or crash so it's not necessary the game that made it crash



Why is it just this game causing so many people issues? If it was the whole console most games if not all would be having this issue reported? The way the game saves to the system perhaps? It definitely has to do with the auto saves as far from what they have told us, that or it's how the game handles the ram..ie Flushing out the ram on information no longer needed.

Exactly, as i said before
it could be the PS3 itself, but no one wants to listen...

[Wolf616]

Most of people don't know much about hardware, when they have a system crash they blame it on that game they were playing,systems can crash without even playing a game or app, the HDD can sometimes conflict data which makes it stutter so then it freeze or crash so it's not necessary the game that made it crash

Except Skyrim is known to cause crashes on the PS3 system and has done so on my PS3 several times. No other games that I play cause this problem. Therefore it is probably safe to conclude that the crash was indeed caused by Skyrim, which led to the PS3 not being turned off properly, which ultimately led to the warning message about hard-drive corruption.

Saying any game or app can cause crashes, meaning it probably wasn't caused by Skyrim is akin to saying any gun or bow and arrow can kill people so when someone is shot dead by a Colt .45 it could be anything that killed them...

[The Cage]

Except Skyrim is known to cause crashes on the PS3 system and has done so on my PS3 several times. No other games that I play cause this problem. Therefore it is probably safe to conclude that the crash was indeed caused by Skyrim, which led to the PS3 not being turned off properly, which ultimately led to the warning message about hard-drive corruption.

Saying any game or app can cause crashes, meaning it probably wasn't caused by Skyrim is akin to saying any gun or bow and arrow can kill people so when someone is shot dead by a Colt .45 it could be anything that killed them...

I didn't say it can't be happen, i said it could be the PS3 itself cuz of the way it saves

and yes it could happen to any other game, but i dunno why you're so sure that it's the game"Skyrim" and not the PS3

as Daggers21 said if it's the game then all versions would have the same issues


i have the game on PS3 and 360 and never had a problem with it, just a few slowdowns when i play for a long time

[*goo]

Are we forgetting it's a piece of software? Some issues can be widespread and able to be replicated, others can be circumstantial and more difficult to narrow down. With a game as complex as discussed a few pages back, there's ample potential for issues to occur. In short, not everyone has to have issues for there to be an issue.

Or do we want to debate that since my console works fine, there's a 0% failure rate for the PS3? Surely if mine is working fine, everyone else's must be too...

[The Cage]

Are we forgetting it's a piece of software? Some issues can be widespread and able to be replicated, others can be circumstantial and more difficult to narrow down. With a game as complex as discussed a few pages back, there's ample potential for issues to occur. In short, not everyone has to have issues for there to be an issue.

Or do we want to debate that since my consoles works fine, there's a 0% failure rate for the PS3? Surely if mine is working fine, everyone else's must be too...

And why it isn't that the PS3 is making the issue happen cuz of the way it saves on it?
why do you assume it's the game ?

again, xbox 360 and PC versions got no issues of that type.

[-Kwesnoth-]

Bashing around whiterun with my nord.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3CRFKbfqiU&amp;feature=youtu.be

:lol: :lol:

[*goo]

And why it isn't that the PS3 is making the issue happen cuz of the way it saves on it?
why do you assume it's the game ?


again, xbox 360 and PC versions got no issues of that type.

Mainly because the Bethesda forums are full of people with issues. It's a fairly strong indicator there's a problem.

Let's also remember that Bethesda have given advice to 'help' these problems that's not recommended by Sony (i.e. Safe Mode).

[elite gamer]

Got the Wabbajack. Started a night to remember and on my way to Rorikstead Come across a Foresworn camp. About 15 of them who outnumber me. Suddenly a frost atronauch appears and I think it's hostile but it attacks them leaving me to take out some of the Foresworn with the Wabbajack. Frost atronauch disappears and they all go after me. A Hargraven appears which I turn into a mud crab which kills a Foresworn. I then use the Wabbajack again and it turns into a Hargraven then a sweet roll. There's about 7 left then the frost Atronauch appears and I see it's Delphine and Esbern. They start attacking me then an Elder Dragon swoops down and everyone attacks it. The remaining Foresworn die, Esbern just swims in a river while me and Delphine shoot it down. Absorb the soul and move onto Rorikstead. A see a dragon attacking it, shoot it and see it's Alduin. Alduin flies off. He was at a place that looked like he was resurrecting a dragon. It was awesome play session.

[The Cage]

Mainly because the Bethesda forums are full of people with issues. It's a fairly strong indicator there's a problem.

Let's also remember that Bethesda have given advice to 'help' these problems that's not recommended by Sony (i.e. Safe Mode).
if there is an issue then it's "already" caused by the game? .... so you're saying the ps3 is "immune" to issues
and all the issues caused by Skyrim.