Dead Island no longer 360 exclusive [Archive]

Soldier 95B

02-17-2011, 23:31

His point is that every 3rd party exclusive that the 360 loses is not easily replaced by another because their first party support is so paltry...

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That is true. First party is smaller. It actually has always been a smaller line up, even back in the original Xbox days. Yet I still have endless amounts of fun gaming on it.

Indeed. Although, Zombie games have proven to be strong sellers and this game looks impressive to what I've seen.

For sure. Zombies are huge this generation. I like Left4Dead, Dead Rising, and even the Zombie games in COD and the Red Dead Redemption game. It's like mindless fun at times. My son is huge on Plants vs. Zombies actually. He has it for his Xbox, for his PC and for his iPod Touch!

Metfanant

02-17-2011, 23:36

That is true. First party is smaller. It actually has always been a smaller line up, even back in the original Xbox days. Yet I still have endless amounts of fun gaming on it

Sure...but the long term issue is complete uncertainty...

As current 3rd party franchises come to an end...and devs go multiplat the sources for third party exclusives become less and less...

With strong first party support, even as franchises end, you know that the next IP from those first party devs will still be exclusive to your console...

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Minnzy

02-17-2011, 23:45

Wasn't it always multiple platform? :S

Soldier 95B

02-17-2011, 23:46

Sure...but the long term issue is complete uncertainty...

As current 3rd party franchises come to an end...and devs go multiplat the sources for third party exclusives become less and less...

With strong first party support, even as franchises end, you know that the next IP from those first party devs will still be exclusive to your console...

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Yup. However, I don't care about exclusives. I just care about the games, be it on Xbox or PS3. With the Xbox 360 and PS3 coming off of their best years to date, and looking even better this year, I see no issues.

J3ff3

02-17-2011, 23:48

Metfanant

02-17-2011, 23:48

Yup. However, I don't care about exclusives. I just care about the games, be it on Xbox or PS3. With the Xbox 360 and PS3 coming off of their best years to date, and looking even better this year, I see no issues.

its an issue for those that only have one console

J3ff3

02-17-2011, 23:50

its an issue for those that only have one console
not really. if people cared they wouldn't just have one platform, or only a 360

Firefox

02-17-2011, 23:51

Party Chat with Local-Multiplayer makes the Xbox the console to buy it for.

Multiplayer experience is so frustrating to be honest on the PS3 without party chat.

Metfanant

02-17-2011, 23:56

not really. if people cared they wouldn't just have one platform, or only a 360

what!?...so about those that can only afford to own one of the consoles?...if you're forced to chose a single platform, then its certainly an issue regarding which exclusives will be available to you...

Soldier 95B

02-17-2011, 23:56

its an issue for those that only have one console
But when it's on both consoles, it's even better for those who only have one console. I see it as a win win.

Two4DaMoney

02-17-2011, 23:58

^ i don't think so minzy. but then again this game popped out of nowhere (short of one showing 3 or so years ago). so really you can't lose something that only a handful of people knew existed in the first place.There's no words needed for this pic. You know exactly what it means
http://i53.tinypic.com/nmi6mo.jpg

But when it's on both consoles, it's even better for those who only have one console. I see it as a win win.
edit:Nevermind. I think I get what you are saying now.

Metfanant

02-17-2011, 23:58

But when it's on both consoles, it's even better for those who only have one console. I see it as a win win.

of course, but when making a decision on which console is right for you, exclusive games are important

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 00:02

of course, but when making a decision on which console is right for you, exclusive games are important

Yes, it is. So we are still talking in circles here. Before, Xbox 360 owners could only enjoy this game. Now Xbox 360 and PS3 owners can enjoy the game. That is great for all of us. Not sure where the negative is.

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 00:04

Yes, it is. So we are still talking in circles here. Before, Xbox 360 owners could only enjoy this game. Now Xbox 360 and PS3 owners can enjoy the game. That is great for all of us. Not sure where the negative is.
you're totally missing the entire point lol...

the negative is on the 360 end in that it looses an exclusive title that is not easily replaced because of a lack of first party support...

A7MAD

02-18-2011, 00:06

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 00:06

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 00:09

Ok? Yup, I am lost. I guess I am all about the gamers getting the great games, first party, second or third party, exclusive or non exclusive. The more games on both consoles the better.

Third party exclusives have been dropping likes flies this gen and sales continue to go up for both hardware and software.

the point is, if you're first party support is strong your always going to have a strong lineup of exclusive software to support your hardware...

A7MAD

02-18-2011, 00:16

the point is, if you're first party support is strong your always going to have a strong lineup of exclusive software to support your hardware...

Question is, how does one define strength? In numbers or in solid experience?

Even then others will dispute and disagree.

At the end of the day, it matters not, sole 360 gamers didn't even know of this title, does anyone have a source where MS marketed this as an exclusive because I never knew of it to be an exclusive in all the years?

We should move away from trying to spin this negatively and see it for what it is, a positive for gamers with 360's and PS3's. ;)

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 00:18

the point is, if you're first party support is strong your always going to have a strong lineup of exclusive software to support your hardware...
Well luckily, they have both and luckily we have more and more multiplatform games to get in the hands of more gamers.

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 00:19

what!?...so about those that can only afford to own one of the consoles?...if you're forced to chose a single platform, then its certainly an issue regarding which exclusives will be available to you...

not really. buy one platform, play the games you want, sell it, buy the other, play the games you want.

if one console has limited exclusives or first party support *and it bothers you*, just switch consoles for a while. you really don't break the bank doing so.

There's no words needed for this pic. You know exactly what it means
http://i53.tinypic.com/nmi6mo.jpg

i've never seen the game in any of the 360 exclusives threads on here, and the first i knew about it was today, when i read it was a multiplatform. so no, i really don't think that many people feel this is a loss. someone had to point out to me that it once HAD been exclusive.

i'm sure it would've been a nice exclusive, but like i said, you don't miss what you never had.

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 00:19

Question is, how does one define strength? In numbers or in solid experience? either way, its what you generally get from a first party experience...

Even then others will dispute and disagree.

At the end of the day, it matters not, sole 360 gamers didn't even know of this title, does anyone have a source where MS marketed this as an exclusive because I never knew of it to be an exclusive in all the years? this particular game? sure...my comments, and Rad's for that matter...were more general...

We should move away from trying to spin this negatively and see it for what it is, a positive for gamers with 360's and PS3's. ;)im not trying to spin this negatively

not really. buy one platform, play the games you want, sell it, buy the other, play the games you want.

if one console has limited exclusives or first party support *and it bothers you*, just switch consoles for a while. you really don't break the bank doing so. that is the most asinine approach i've ever heard of...

great way to continually lose money...

radgamer420

02-18-2011, 00:24

At the end of the day, it matters not, sole 360 gamers didn't even know of this title, does anyone have a source where MS marketed this as an exclusive because I never knew of it to be an exclusive in all the years?
http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14177/Dead-Island-Revealed/

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 00:25

either way, its what you generally get from a first party experience...

this particular game? sure...my comments, and Rad's for that matter...were more general...

im not trying to spin this negatively

that is the most asinine approach i've ever heard of...

great way to continually lose money...

well if you're a prick about it and swap consoles every 6 months or a year, then yes. but every two years? its not a problem. and if you're that poor then you have to work around the fact that you can't afford the outlay on both.

buy the console for the games. if you don't like the games, swap, or buy both - depending on your finances. but like i said, it really isn't that complex an issue, or important.

the only people who see exclusivity as an issue are those who want to hold it over someone else, or some other group.

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 00:28

well if you're a prick about it and swap consoles every 6 months or a year, then yes. but every two years? its not a problem. and if you're that poor then you have to work around the fact that you can't afford the outlay on both.you're always going to lose money...you can't rely on getting what you put in back...

what exactly would YOU suggest?i would suggest one weighs all the pros and cons for each console compared to what their needs and wants are, and choose the one that fits them best...

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 00:29

So what it boils down to is, no loss, and more gamers get to play the game now. Sweet!

A7MAD

02-18-2011, 00:30

either way, its what you generally get from a first party experience...

No, either way it's what you get from the experience.

im not trying to spin this negatively

I'm sure you do not mean to but sadly from a 3rd person perspective it comes across that way because people do not care that much about it being available for everybody but you continue to post in regards to the matter, so do not take this offensively please, sometimes we need a 3rd party to make things clearer to us at times.

The Sith

02-18-2011, 00:37

I never knew the 360 once had this as an exclusive, we never seen or heard about it in the exclusives lineup's over the years...

Even if so, I remember the Ps3 losing many exclusives this generation, did it stop people buying PS3's? Of course not. same deal here, if the 360 had no games whatsoever then sure, MS would need to deliver, but right now we're awaiting MS' titles considering they're announcing titles right before GDC anyway.

the game was announced as 360 exclusive back in 2007. The devs started on the project before the ps3 was ever released and the game was completed back in 2008. The only thing that held the game back from being released on the 360 was they couldn't find a publisher for it. In 2009 the game went multiplat so basically it is a port over to the ps3 and pc. Glad they finally found a publisher for the game when i saw this for the first time the game and story looked awesome.

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 00:41

you're always going to lose money...you can't rely on getting what you put in back...

and where did i say you could?

i would suggest one weighs all the pros and cons for each console compared to what their needs and wants are, and choose the one that fits them best... that doesn't change the fact that *even if you can't afford to own both* you can still have your cake and eat it. it costs very little to experience both consoles, whether simultaneously or at different times.

people that limit themselves to one console miss out on a huge amount of quality gaming. and as i said in my post, if people care that much then they wouldn't just have one platform, or a just a 360.

i'm not sure how you can disagree.

A7MAD

02-18-2011, 00:41

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/14177/Dead-Island-Revealed/

Cool, we have established it used to be PC/360 exclusive.

Now as to my other questions, how is this bad for the gamers? Not saying you said it was, but that was my question before.

the game was announced as 360 exclusive back in 2007. The devs started on the project before the ps3 was ever released and the game was completed back in 2008. The only thing that held the game back from being released on the 360 was they couldn't find a publisher for it. In 2009 the game went multiplat so basically it is a port over to the ps3 and pc. Glad they finally found a publisher for the game when i saw this for the first time the game and story looked awesome.

The trailer was saddening really but it looks good.

and where did i say you could?
that doesn't change the fact that *even if you can't afford to own both* you can still have your cake and eat it. it costs very little to experience both consoles, whether simultaneously or at different times.

people that limit themselves to one console miss out on a huge amount of quality gaming. and as i said in my post, if people care that much then they wouldn't just have one platform, or a just a 360.

Indeed.

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 00:45

Cool, we have established it used to be PC/360 exclusive.

Now as to my other questions, how is this bad for the gamers?
i'm really not sure. i currently only have a 360. this hasn't always been the case, but right now it is. i'm toying with the idea of purchasing a ps3 again and using my 360 to fund it. but quite frankly i'm poor, and its not that pressing.

but i don't care if ps3 owners can play it - it looks like a great game/concept, so good for them. and if its two player is good that means i can play it round mates houses who only have ps3s.

gears could go multi and i wouldn't care. right now im keeping the console because of my finances and my friends on live - not because of exclusives. if it was about the exclusives the 'other side' has, i would've swapped platforms or bought both. whether temporarily or permanently. who can say without a crystal ball?

The Sith

02-18-2011, 00:47

I don't know why this game is getting everyone worked up into a tizzy the game is a Dead Rising clone plus this article came from N4G forum written by a ps3 fanboy.

A7MAD

02-18-2011, 00:50

I don't know why this game is getting everyone worked up into a tizzy the game is a Dead Rising clone plus this article came from N4G forum written by a ps3 fanboy.

N4G is troll city but news is news.

Dead Rising (the original) was awesome, the 2nd wasn't bad but wasn't exactly the same, the vibe was different to me, so if this could capture what the original brought to me, I'm all for it.

It being a multi-plat means I get to choose which version I want (and that to me becomes my exclusive on that platform) and others get it on their preferred systems, win/win.

i'm really not sure. i currently only have a 360. this hasn't always been the case, but right now it is. i'm toying with the idea of purchasing a ps3 again and using my 360 to fund it. but quite frankly i'm poor, and its not that pressing.

but i don't care if ps3 owners can play it - it looks like a great game/concept. and if its two player that means i can play it round mates houses who only have ps3s.

gears could go multi and i wouldn't care. right now im keeping the console because of my finances and my friends on live - not because of exclusives. if it was about the exclusives the 'other side' has, i would've swapped platforms or bought both. whether temporarily or permanently. who can say without a crystal ball?

I usually feel the same way, as long as it's on a system i own why do I care?

ddPLaNeT

02-18-2011, 02:14

I don't know why some get worked up with news like this. This game wasn't even hyped much and nobody, well mostly, knew about it so Microsoft didn't lose anything big. We're not talking about Gears of War here... We don't even know how the game will be, maybe MS saw it and thought it wasn't worth making it exclusive.

Bottom line is, all players will still play the game and enjoy it.

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 02:26

Bottom line is, all players will still play the game and enjoy it.
Oh hell yeah! That is what I love! Plus now I can choose to get it for either platform, depending on which has more friends getting it on what.

!SG!

02-18-2011, 03:34

and where did i say you could?
that doesn't change the fact that *even if you can't afford to own both* you can still have your cake and eat it. it costs very little to experience both consoles, whether simultaneously or at different times.

people that limit themselves to one console miss out on a huge amount of quality gaming. and as i said in my post, if people care that much then they wouldn't just have one platform, or a just a 360.

i'm not sure how you can disagree.

Great post.
Getting the new games is much more expensive then adding the another console.

Oh hell yeah! That is what I love! Plus now I can choose to get it for either platform, depending on which has more friends getting it on what.

or depending on which version has better graphic, frame rate, less screen tearing, etc.

SnowHawk

02-18-2011, 03:56

Never heard of the game but I'm getting tire dof zombies game, the only zombie game I truly enjoyed was L4D2 (never played 1)

Sub-stance1

02-18-2011, 04:48

Not really a big loss...I'm still only getting it for one console anyway... The 360. I prefer the controller for 99% of the multi-plats anyway.

maltrophstitan

02-18-2011, 06:31

I doubt this game would even be coming out if it didn't go multi platform.
MS doesn't really care about first party studios, they have become the go to box for big third party games and still go after exclusive IPs out of 3rd party studios.

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 12:36

or depending on which version has better graphic, frame rate, less screen tearing, etc.
True, but they are so close these days that I don't usually worry about that anymore either. Early on the PS3 struggled, but that seems to be a thing of the past now.

Galvanise_

02-18-2011, 12:41

I'd totally forgotten that this game existed. I wonder what the budget is for this sucker.

Yungstar 2006

02-18-2011, 13:02

of course, but when making a decision on which console is right for you, exclusive games are important

Just not true for the majority of owners.

cpitt

02-18-2011, 13:30

well if you're a prick about it and swap consoles every 6 months or a year, then yes. but every two years? its not a problem. and if you're that poor then you have to work around the fact that you can't afford the outlay on both.

buy the console for the games. if you don't like the games, swap, or buy both - depending on your finances. but like i said, it really isn't that complex an issue, or important.

the only people who see exclusivity as an issue are those who want to hold it over someone else, or some other group.

I remember in what is my opinion the glory days of the 360, exclusives were the rage and 360 enthusiast would flaunt it every chance they get. And it was acceptable to think that part of the exclusives were financed off of a better system Microsoft had in effect.

Which was that exclusives were financed off Of live subscriptions, which is cool if that was the case nowadays. Like I've stated ive only had a 360 less than a year. I vet to okay games I couldn't before but the just can't help noticing that once I play those games that the other games which a multiplats I can also play on my Trey.

No big deal but that's not really what I taught I was going to sign up for. Hopefully down the line something unique for the 360 gets announced. But that's just wishful thinking, reminds me of my early ps3 days, which now that I think of was alot of wishful thinking. Warhawk kept me busy and had my attention for a long time.

But I remember the bickering back in the days how exclusives matter, and Sony hadn't hit it's stride would release 1 or two exclusives a year and shoddy multports by shoddy developers. But my wishful thinking and many onthis threads were knowing that once Sony gets the assembly line running, the games were no going to stop.

Not rubbing it but it's a fact when I state to someone who wants one console that plays the big multiplats, but also give you the option of playing exclusives which are not too everyones taste but with the aiming out there the odds are in favor a one or two will vet you by the hooks.

All I know is that if I would of only been a one console owner a ps3 owner id have more options of games too choose from, Would be cool I Microsoft would put more effort people always seems to brag how much money their making off of live and hardware sells, would be nice if they out some back. What I'm seeing is 3rd place Sony putting more back while their first party games while *** award winning, don't have that millions sold first day sales that Microsoft gamers with one or two of it's exclusives.

But yet they keep at it like a determined pitbull.

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 13:46

Just not true for the majority of owners.

how so?...multiplats are available everywhere...then you've got your list of exclusive titles to each system...if one lineup is more appealing to you (Uncharted, Killzone, LBP etc..vs. Halo, Gears, Forza etc..) then its an easy choice

Soldier 95B

02-18-2011, 13:55

I am only guessing here, but I assume Yungstar is talking about the general gaming population. It's usually the hardcore that know what "exclusives" are or mean. The average gamer (casual to core) just walks into a store and buys a game from the shelves based on a commercial or cover box, or because it was recommended. Before my son got more into gaming, he had no clue you could only get Mario on his Wii. He asked if he could get it for our 360, and I mentioned he could not, and it would only work on our Wii. Otherwise, like most, they really don't know or care.

Us on the other hand know what exclusives are, and what makes them important to some companies and to some gamers.

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 14:06

...
but like i said, why should it be, or have ever been, about bragging rights? people who care about exclusivity tend to care about bragging rights - why else would it really matter? people who don't care about it either swap consoles, buy both, or remain content with what they have. this was true back in the 360 "glory days" as you call them, and it still is today imo. either way the fact that a title is or isn't 'exclusive' is at most an inconvenience if your keen on it. it certainly isn't a big deal

@met - why does it have to be a 'lineup' that is more appealing? perhaps one has a volume of games you like, but one has a particular title that you're very keen on? that isn't an easy choice. if it was, MS would be selling very few consoles right now.

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 14:13

@met - why does it have to be a 'lineup' that is more appealing? perhaps one has a volume of games you like, but one has a particular title that you're very keen on? that isn't an easy choice. if it was, MS would be selling very few consoles right now.

nobody said it was an easy choice...and the rest of the console's features have not been mentioned either...Blu-ray was one of the big reasons i chose the PS3 as my first console of this generation...totally non game related at all

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 14:37

so why are all the threads currently turning into discussions on exclusivity?

seems to me like there should be two main sections to the psu forums. piracy and exclusivity.

Mael Duin

02-18-2011, 15:02

No longer exclusive

Was coming for PC

Implying it ever was exclusive
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/8184/1290096466872.jpg

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 15:25

^ very good point.

how is it that the pc counts when an exclusive is gained, but totally disregarded when one is apparently lost? speaks volumes imo

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 15:52

^ very good point.

how is it that the pc counts when an exclusive is gained, but totally disregarded when one is apparently lost? speaks volumes imo

personally i don't count the PC when discussing 360 vs PS3 exclusives....ever...

IMO if you're talking which console has the better exclusives...than PC/360 titles count for the 360...

J3ff3

02-18-2011, 16:20

we agree on something.

i'm going to have to lie down.

*goo

02-18-2011, 16:37

I tend to see it fairly regularly on these forums that PC is completely excluded so a game can be called 'exclusive' when it's not. If a game is on more than one platform, it really can't be called exclusive.

Why there's this huge effort to pass something off as exclusive when it clearly isn't is something I've never quite understood the logic of.

On the subject of the OP, it's a positive move for gamers - greater audience gets to experience the title, if they want to. Only those that are too emotionally invested in their entertainment product(s) would argue otherwise.

:)

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 16:53

*goo

02-18-2011, 17:35

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 17:58

So what you're saying is you take a game and deliberately limit it to a specific range of platforms to call it exclusive?

Interesting logic there. Doesn't change the fact that any game that's also on PC is not exclusive, but okay.

i limit it because its a discussion about consoles...and they are only available on one console...

for instance...

Gears of War available on PC and 360...if we are discussing consoles...i would consider that game to be a 360 exclusive

DC Universe available on PS3 and PC...if we are discussing consoles...i would consider that game to be a PS3 exclusive...

if you want to bring PC gaming into the discussion then by all means, all bets are off...but if its a discussion of console gaming...there is only one place to play those games..

Ghost-Rhayne

02-18-2011, 18:07

Doesn't change the fact that any game that's also on PC is not exclusive, but okay.
This is my opinion on the subject of exclusives. If it appears on PC it is not an exclusive, or it's a half exclusive haha. It only seems to happen for 360 games though right? I can't recall any PS3 instances (apart from DC Universe). But yeah, you can toss around words like console exclusives etc etc, but at the end of the day, if it appears on more than one gaming medium, it isn't really exclusive.

Edit:

if you want to bring PC gaming into the discussion then by all means, all bets are off...but if its a discussion of console gaming...there is only one place to play those games..

I also agree with this, in the realm of consoles, it's right.

Yungstar 2006

02-18-2011, 19:13

how so?...multiplats are available everywhere...then you've got your list of exclusive titles to each system...if one lineup is more appealing to you (Uncharted, Killzone, LBP etc..vs. Halo, Gears, Forza etc..) then its an easy choice

if people bought consoles based on exclusives, the much hyped ones on ps3 of last year and this.. would see sales be higher than those of wii/360.

while it is nice to have exclusives on your single console of choice, they then have to be worth buying and as the likes of LBP2 have shown (for me at least), they are just not as AAA as some would have us believe. opinion of course.

as a personal choice, i enjoyed the many 360 exclusives of last year Naval Assault, DarkStar One, Metro 2033 etc over those on my other consoles.

Yungstar 2006

02-18-2011, 19:31

I am only guessing here, but I assume Yungstar is talking about the general gaming population.

indeed.

nobody said it was an easy choice...and the rest of the console's features have not been mentioned either...Blu-ray was one of the big reasons i chose the PS3 as my first console of this generation...totally non game related at all

features do not come into it for me as i just get/buy each new console as they arrive. when i got my phat ps3 it came with a Bond blu-ray movie that i watched for about 10 mins before deciding i did not like it, i've not bought a blu-ray movie since. i also tried a couple of ps2 games on it to see how the backwards compatibility worked and they ran ok, but again, i've not tried any more since.

so i've got a quite feature rich ps3 that only gets used for gaming.

Yungstar 2006

02-18-2011, 19:36

*goo

02-18-2011, 20:25

i limit it because its a discussion about consoles...and they are only available on one console...

for instance...

Gears of War available on PC and 360...if we are discussing consoles...i would consider that game to be a 360 exclusive

DC Universe available on PS3 and PC...if we are discussing consoles...i would consider that game to be a PS3 exclusive...

if you want to bring PC gaming into the discussion then by all means, all bets are off...but if its a discussion of console gaming...there is only one place to play those games..

I get all that but why make it about consoles. Why not about games? Whilst it may not be your intention, it just feels like it's a restriction designed to make a specific platform appear it has more exclusives than it really does.

Where does it end? As far as I'm led to believe, any game on a X360 disc can't be played on a PC or PS3. Does that make every X360 game exclusive because we're only talking about X360 discs? I'm left wondering why we're gravitating around the console instead of the game.

Does that mean every single PC game out there is exclusive too?

Metfanant

02-18-2011, 20:36

if people bought consoles based on exclusives, the much hyped ones on ps3 of last year and this.. would see sales be higher than those of wii/360. well the PS3 itself has been outselling the 360...maybe not the specific games...but the PS3 also has been getting more big name exclusives lately as well...so sales are spread thinner..

while it is nice to have exclusives on your single console of choice, they then have to be worth buying and as the likes of LBP2 have shown (for me at least), they are just not as AAA as some would have us believe. opinion of course.

opinion or not its Metacritic score is 92...and the biggest knock against the game is that its similar to LBP lol...thats AAA no matter how you slice it lol...

as a personal choice, i enjoyed the many 360 exclusives of last year Naval Assault, DarkStar One, Metro 2033 etc over those on my other consoles.and as a personal choice ive never even played those games you mentioned lol..

features do not come into it for me as i just get/buy each new console as they arrive. when i got my phat ps3 it came with a Bond blu-ray movie that i watched for about 10 mins before deciding i did not like it, i've not bought a blu-ray movie since. i also tried a couple of ps2 games on it to see how the backwards compatibility worked and they ran ok, but again, i've not tried any more since.

so i've got a quite feature rich ps3 that only gets used for gaming.

thats great, but that doesn't mean you can dismiss it as a purchasing factor for others...especially in the beginning...the PS3 was the best Blu-ray player on the market when it launched...and was $400 cheaper than the next best player...

I get all that but why make it about consoles. Why not about games? Whilst it may not be your intention, it just feels like it's a restriction designed to make a specific platform appear it has more exclusives than it really does.

why make it about consoles? because that is what 99% of the conversations on these forums is about lol...

and i feel the opposite...normally the people i see trying to say the 360 games are not exclusives are just trying to downplay the 360's lineup when compared to the PS3...and that isn't fair...

Aquanox

02-18-2011, 21:51

Staticneuron

02-18-2011, 22:53

Makes me remind LA Noire when RS was so hermetic about it. Many people thought the game wasn't even in development and when they came back, it was no longer a Ps3 exclusive.

It's the trend, it's not really a business anymore for an independent studio to make an exclusive game unless they have a really really good product and marketing behind it. i.e. Gears.

It was never announced as a PS3 exclusive. You can probably tie the lose threads together because team bondi was under SCE when the project started, but as soon as the deal with rockstar was struck, Sony obviously passed on the title and that is why agent is coming. Sony gave Rockstar the dev and the IP, so they are probably demanding an IP for an IP.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2007/07/27/new-rockstar-games-franchise-exclusive-to-the-ps3/

This is Michael Shorrock. I’m the Director of 3rd Party Relations at SCEA. As you may have seen this morning/last night on GameHead (http://www.spiketv.com/index.html?dl=shows/ss/sid=5/t=ss) with Geoff Keighley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geoff_Keighley), we are announcing that a new franchise from Rockstar Games (http://www.rockstargames.com/) will be exclusive to PS3. As part of our long standing relationship with Rockstar, and the incredible success for both companies with the cultural icon that is Grand Theft Auto (http://www.rockstargames.com/grandtheftauto/), we’ve agreed to the PlayStation exclusive rights of the next great franchise from the Rockstar studios.

Rockstar really wanted to make a game that you can truly only do on PS3, harnessing the power of CELL and Blu-ray disc and this deal lets them do just that.. This is really a win-win situation for both companies. As Jack mentioned in the interview with Geoff, this franchise is not LA Noire (http://www.rockstargames.com/lanoire/), but something all new.

Despite this being mentioned on the official blog back in July 2007, we still got silly speculation about exclusivity years later.

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/911/911808p1.html

The situation between this title and L.A. Noire is not the same at all. The Dead Island move is a situation about timing. The L.A. Noire Fiasco, is because some news sites were being really silly.

UberMadness

02-19-2011, 02:14

I get all that but why make it about consoles. Why not about games? Whilst it may not be your intention, it just feels like it's a restriction designed to make a specific platform appear it has more exclusives than it really does.

Where does it end? As far as I'm led to believe, any game on a X360 disc can't be played on a PC or PS3. Does that make every X360 game exclusive because we're only talking about X360 discs? I'm left wondering why we're gravitating around the console instead of the game.

Does that mean every single PC game out there is exclusive too?
this....

It should be about games.

And being on PC means it would be accessible to hundreds of millions of people.

then again, what is point of being "exclusive" when so many other people who doesnt own that console can just play it??

as you said, it is made sound so that" a specific platform appear it has more exclusives than it really does.".

the word was not even around back in PS2 and Xbox days... no one ever called PS2 and PC game "a console exclusive"

It's the trend, it's not really a business anymore for an independent studio to make an exclusive game unless they have a really really good product and marketing behind it. i.e. Gears.

no... do you think Epic were like, this title is super good so lets make it exclusive so it sells less??

they are exclusive because MS is making it more profitable for Epic to make gears stay exclusive.

and @OP.

i respectfully disagree with xbox losing an exclusive because it was never an exclusive to begin with.

J3ff3

02-19-2011, 02:20

UberMadness

02-19-2011, 03:26

to be fair you can talk about markets.

your average punter doesn't:

a) have the money

PCs are cheaper

b) have the know how
hard to put in discs??

c) see the need to replace their current pc to accommodate games when consoles are so cheap
you can get a non custom PC that runs at least same or higher graphics than consoles at the console price.
and for custom PC, you can even run Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks.

granted the gap has closed between consoles and pcs, but it is a separate market, and there will always be a distinction.

not sure what you mean... doesnt make any sense economically.

PS3, Xbox 360, and PC are all different markets that overlaps each other.

J3ff3

02-19-2011, 03:35

PCs are cheaper
no they aren't. you can't get a gaming pc for £100

hard to put in discs??
hard to turn your current pc into a gaming pc? - yes. harder to deal with drivers? more inconvenient in terms of where and how you play - yes.

you can get a non custom PC that runs at least same or higher graphics than consoles at the console price.
and for custom PC, you can even run Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks. well thats not true for starters. but maybe thats a US/UK difference. though i doubt it. i'm running an ATI 4870 which is still around £80 to £90 and 2 years old or so. and that didn't / can't run crysis 1 at max.

still, the point is who, apart from a small gaming minority, is genuinely going to trade in or purchase a PC in addition to what they see as a perfectly working desktop in their home?

at the end of the day "exclusives" are supposed to entice customers. It doesn't work the same with PCs because the outlay is so great.

as markets they can be distinguished.

**edit - sorry, i didn't see your last part of the post, ill try and explain what i mean in a second or tomorrow. its 4 am here :D

*********

not sure what you mean... doesnt make any sense economically.

PS3, Xbox 360, and PC are all different markets that overlaps each other.

say i've got 'X' pounds or dollars to play video games. i have a pc in my house, as most do, but this isn't able to run games (unsurprisingly). i either lack the knowledge, or the time/interest, to learn or install a new graphics card - despite the fact that you are right, they are cheap.

even if i had $400 - i'd be extremely tempted just to buy a console. nice and convenient and leaves me with a big wad of cash in my back pocket. you would be hard pushed to persuade me as a consumer to replace or upgrade my pc.

PC gaming is niche imo, and revolves around those who have done it in the past or have a good amount of technical know how. (you have people who come and go, but ultimately get put off by the constant upgrades)
therefore there is a bit of a distinction between pc and console markets.

even i feel it slightly - and i have a good gaming pc, but its rarely used because of the convenience of a console.

Staticneuron

02-19-2011, 03:58

you can get a non custom PC that runs at least same or higher graphics than consoles at the console price.
and for custom PC, you can even run Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks.

Seriously? At what resolution? 680x480?

I built a custom gaming rig and have a core i5 and a Radeon 5870 at roughly $850. And even at its most intense I still see performance drops at 1080p on heavy scenes.

Now while I agree they may overlap in terms of games gaming based PC certainly haven't fallen that cheap yet.

at the end of the day "exclusives" are supposed to entice customers. It doesn't work the same with PCs because the outlay is so great.

as markets they can be distinguished.

Exactly which means if I was somebody who owned only a PC and I looked to see "why" I should get a particular console, if I see one console touting ME2 as a "console exclusive" While the competitor advertises something like KZ2 as an exclusive, only one of those games I won't be able to get for my rig no matter what, which makes it more enticing.

The situation is worse when someone owns a console and a PC. That gives them even more of a chance to question library and competing exclusives.

So when a console title goes multi that hasn't been multi before, that does draw attention to the terms and playing styles gamers and marketing use for this CW.

UberMadness

02-19-2011, 04:11

no they aren't. you can't get a gaming pc for £100

did i miss anything?? thought it goes for 170.

hard to turn your current pc into a gaming pc? - yes. harder to deal with drivers? more inconvenient in terms of where and how you play - yes.
when is the last time you ever played a PC game??

installation process checks drivers and installs it if isnt there already.

well thats not true for starters. but maybe thats a US/UK difference. though i doubt it. i'm running an ATI 4870 which is still around £80 to £90 and 2 years old or so. and that didn't / can't run crysis 1 at max.
no, sir. you are completely wrong there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

and as you know, you obviously dont need this computer to run console settings.. cheaper non customized comps can easily play console settings.

still, the point is who, apart from a small gaming minority, is genuinely going to trade in or purchase a PC in addition to what they see as a perfectly working desktop in their home?
Speculation.
they may see it a good time to upgrade their PC. or they may already own a capable PC already.

i have 4 year old laptop and it can easily play any games higher than console settings.

at the end of the day "exclusives" are supposed to entice customers. It doesn't work the same with PCs because the outlay is so great.
agree about the first part.
games on PC wont make that console more appealing because it is likely that they own a PC that can run that game.

say i've got 'X' pounds or dollars to play video games. i have a pc in my house, as most do, but this isn't able to run games (unsurprisingly). i either lack the knowledge, or the time/interest, to learn or install a new graphics card - despite the fact that you are right, they are cheap.
all of them are speculation and preferences that also applies to Xbox and PS3. not just console vs PC.

even if i had $400 - i'd be extremely tempted just to buy a console. nice and convenient and leaves me with a big wad of cash in my back pocket. you would be hard pushed to persuade me as a consumer to replace or upgrade my pc.

another speculation. almost any recent desktop can play.

there was a recent study that there are currently couple hundred millions of PC that are capable of gaming.

PC gaming is niche imo, and revolves around those who have done it in the past or have a good amount of technical know how. (you have people who come and go, but ultimately get put off by the constant upgrades)
therefore there is a bit of a distinction between pc and console markets.

only a bit. not enough to say they are different market without any overlaps.

Seriously? At what resolution? 680x480?

I built a custom gaming rig and have a core i5 and a Radeon 5870 at roughly $850. And even at its most intense I still see performance drops at 1080p on heavy scenes.

Now while I agree they may overlap in terms of games gaming based PC certainly haven't fallen that cheap yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

265 USD dollars sorry. and you are right. Not max, but high setting at 1900X1200 no AA though.

but still proves my point.

and i am not sure what you mean "not that cheap". 300 dollars PC today can easily outperform consoles...

skulpt

02-19-2011, 04:25

Hey, I don't think this exclusive even made those famous Labwarrior lists. You know it's not even a factor when it doesn't make one of his lists. LOL.

No biggie. But exclusives are going to count when the next consoles come out. If the PS4 and 720 come out at the same time with the same price? MS is going to have lost the 2 huge edges they had in getting those 360 exclusives early on. The first party will be the real deciding factor then. XBL better be amazing to make up those kinds of advantages that they will have lost. MS to me are betting too much on Kinect to push them into the next generation.

maltrophstitan

02-19-2011, 04:51

The OP is just trolling
Vaporware title comes back multiplatform and some people like to rub it in others faces.

Bitbydeath

02-19-2011, 05:29

The OP is just trolling
Vaporware title comes back multiplatform and some people like to rub it in others faces.

He's delivering the news, it can't always be rainbows and fluffy bunnies.

*goo

02-19-2011, 10:03

why make it about consoles? because that is what 99% of the conversations on these forums is about lol...

and i feel the opposite...normally the people i see trying to say the 360 games are not exclusives are just trying to downplay the 360's lineup when compared to the PS3...and that isn't fair...

I agree and disagree. If someone is downplaying genuine exclusives, it's being unfair to the X360 platform. Exactly the same as it being unfair to the PC platform and disregarding it completely when it's a legitimate one in it's own right.

There may be an agenda for some people's discussion but like I mentioned earlier, I'm more interested in the games; regardless of their platform.

The amount / topic of conversation on these forums don't really change the facts. Any game that's on more than one platform isn't exclusive. Just so I'm clear, the exact same goes for games on the PS3 (but not on X360) that are also on PC i.e. DC Universe Online isn't exclusive either.

As a side point, you didn't answer my question. Using your logic, should I regard every game on PC as exclusive?

Metfanant

02-19-2011, 13:19

As a side point, you didn't answer my question. Using your logic, should I regard every game on PC as exclusive?

well if you're strictly talking PC gaming...then i guess you would be looking at a Windows vs Mac comparison...so decide how you want to tackle that...

but if you're talking about PC vs 360 vs PS3...then only games available on a certain platform...

i guess all im getting at is that its all about the context of the discussion with me...and as the vast majority of discussion here revolves around 360 vs PS3....im fine with games like Gears being called 360 exclusives

Staticneuron

02-19-2011, 14:37

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

265 USD dollars sorry. and you are right. Not max, but high setting at 1900X1200 no AA though.

but still proves my point.

and i am not sure what you mean "not that cheap". 300 dollars PC today can easily outperform consoles... Color me impressed. I guess I never investigated enough. Makes me wonder about power vs cost of my setup.
i guess all im getting at is that its all about the context of the discussion with me...and as the vast majority of discussion here revolves around 360 vs PS3....im fine with games like Gears being called 360 exclusives I see. So you are "not" ignoring the PC. Just contest how it is discussed on the forums. I can understand that. For people like me it is dependent on genre. I don't like using a controller on my PC, so I don't even consider getting 3rd person games on the PC. FPS or MMO's of course I do see viable on the PC. No matter what console, if it is available on the PC as well and it is one of those two genre's If I am purchasing it, the first option is going to be on the PC

UberMadness

02-19-2011, 17:22

Color me impressed. I guess I never investigated enough. Makes me wonder about power vs cost of my setup.

yea... there are benchmark tests for CPUS and GPUS. they are not 100 percent accurate, but you would be surprised sometimes cheaper ones easily outperform more expensive ones.

either way back to my original point. Market size wise, gaming PC is already dominating. and it is extremely competitive in terms of price as well.

Yungstar 2006

02-19-2011, 19:37

and as a personal choice ive never even played those games you mentioned lol..

and there in lies your problem...

in other news.....
Sniper: Ghost Warrior comes to PS3 in march, a great sniper fps on the 360.

Staticneuron

02-19-2011, 19:54

and there in lies your problem...

in other news.....
Sniper: Ghost Warrior comes to PS3 in march, a great sniper fps on the 360.

Or it could be simply an indicator of how much time you spend on your 360. Correct me if I am wrong but don't you have a gamer score over 90,000 and have played 296 games?

I would like to think that I am a heavy gamer but man, that amount is probably closer to double of what I have played on both consoles combined.

J3ff3

02-20-2011, 01:53

did i miss anything?? thought it goes for 170.

when is the last time you ever played a PC game??

installation process checks drivers and installs it if isnt there already.

no, sir. you are completely wrong there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

and as you know, you obviously dont need this computer to run console settings.. cheaper non customized comps can easily play console settings.

Speculation.
they may see it a good time to upgrade their PC. or they may already own a capable PC already.

i have 4 year old laptop and it can easily play any games higher than console settings.

agree about the first part.
games on PC wont make that console more appealing because it is likely that they own a PC that can run that game.

all of them are speculation and preferences that also applies to Xbox and PS3. not just console vs PC.

another speculation. almost any recent desktop can play.

there was a recent study that there are currently couple hundred millions of PC that are capable of gaming.

only a bit. not enough to say they are different market without any overlaps.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

265 USD dollars sorry. and you are right. Not max, but high setting at 1900X1200 no AA though.

but still proves my point.

and i am not sure what you mean "not that cheap". 300 dollars PC today can easily outperform consoles...

i was trying to reply to your post systematically, - but i'll generalise. $260 - which you claim can run crysis 1 on max - is *******s.

no offense. but i've learnt from experience around here to take "debates" one point at a time. not a bloody chance :D

UberMadness

02-20-2011, 08:43

i was trying to reply to your post systematically, - but i'll generalise. $260 - which you claim can run crysis 1 on max - is *******s.

no offense. but i've learnt from experience around here to take "debates" one point at a time. not a bloody chance :D

i have systematically proven you wrong.

before you call someone is bsing, at least read the entire post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

i have already corrected my self that it is HIGH setting not max.
and i already specified that it was for custom PC, but then again you DONT need crysis capable PC to out perform console setting.

at the end of the day, you can just pick up a non custom PC at console price and still play better graphics.

So tell me how can you consider anything "exclusive" when it could be played on hundreds of millions PC??

and as i have shown, your "pc is too expensive" argument is dead wrong.

F34R

02-20-2011, 11:29

In four years, my $300 PC won't be able to play the games that are being released, while my PS3 keeps pushing on. I think that is the biggest difference.

Mael Duin

02-20-2011, 11:38

In four years, my $300 PC won't be able to play the games that are being released, while my PS3 keeps pushing on. I think that is the biggest difference.
It can. Maybe not at max but it can. Unless you have badly build computer.

Yungstar 2006

02-20-2011, 14:08

Or it could be simply an indicator of how much time you spend on your 360. Correct me if I am wrong but don't you have a gamer score over 90,000 and have played 296 games?

I would like to think that I am a heavy gamer but man, that amount is probably closer to double of what I have played on both consoles combined.

while i do indeed use 360 more than PS3, there are reasons for that.
along with having owned a 360 for longer (so i'd have played more games on 360) i prefer achievements over trophies, so....

1/ multi-player games were always bought on 360 due to a lack of trophies in any ps3 versions.

2/ as i prefer achievements over trophies i still buy most all multi plats on 360 (although i did buy NFS:HP on both) and Mafia 2 only on ps3.

as for heavy gamer, my gaming time is usually mon/tues when i'm off work and the occasional evening (after wor lass has finished watching her soaps/dramas) if i'm doing a gamerscore challenge @ 360voice.com. as i am at the moment.

but the fact of the matter is that some people big up ps3 exclusives for nothing other than brownie points to show that there console of choice has more exclusives so must be better.

bottom line though, 360 has some very good exclusives that are just not sang and danced about the way most all PS3 exclusives are. for instance, if you have both consoles, liked playing Elite back in the day, then 360 and DarkStar One will fill that void.

in the mean while, i'll leave you with another 360 exclusive just out..
Crash Time 4, another in the very good Crash Time Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asxjarrOU4o&feature=related

UberMadness

02-20-2011, 18:43

It can. Maybe not at max but it can. Unless you have badly build computer.

yea.... i dont see why not.. you just play on lower settings... and it would look still better than console graphics.

Staticneuron

02-20-2011, 18:57

In four years, my $300 PC won't be able to play the games that are being released, while my PS3 keeps pushing on. I think that is the biggest difference.

Actually a machine that can run crysis at those setting he showed, would have no problems running many of the new releases today.

while i do indeed use 360 more than PS3, there are reasons for that.

My point was not to bring up the reasons why but to show you that your knowledge and experience is probably far from average. To even gamers like me some exclusives you mention can be considered very obscure and perhaps even niche for peoples tastes.

People tend to praise new titles from established series and dev houses. The praise is being heaped on the PS3 line up for 2011 because we not are only seeing sequels to some very well received and rated titles in one year, the PS3 is also scheduled to get new IP.

I mean your perspective is obviously unique. Darkstar One for the 360 is simply a port of a OC game that came out in 2006 and the last crashtime released for the 360 received a 44 and even prompted IGN to state

Crash Time: Autobahn Pursuit feels more like a training tool for humorless German police cadets than a videogame meant for entertainment purposes. I had more fun driving to work this week than I did playing this game. The actual driving mechanics and crash effects are not bad, but nearly everything else in Crash Time manages to be frustrating and boring at the same time. Then scored the game a 3.5

Sniper ghost warrior is coming to the PS3 btw, and I still wouldn't touch it. I love being a sniper. When this game came out I scoured reviews and watched videos only to be let down. When the game was sold for less than $10 on steam I still passed. The game has a meta of 55 on PC and a meta of 45 on 360 for a reason.

So I think the difference in the titles you mention vs why people are excited over the sequel of socom, killzone, uncharted, resistance, infamous, motorstorm, and the spiritual successor to shadows of the colossus all dropping in one year, is simply overall reception and sales.

You are the only person who I have seen who thinks that these praises of the PS3 exclusives is only because of brownie points instead of genuine interest of the titles. And posting up those titles that consist of an almost 5 year old port and two franchises that have critically bombed (read: not even rated average, they were kicked straight to horrible territory) as a counter to quality of the upcoming PS3 exclusives... I am starting to think that you are making some sort of a joke. Or heavy handed sarcasm, because I am sure if people listed titles like those, and even breach (someone did recently lol) as an example of fine exclusives for the PS3, they would be torn apart by some other members here.

F34R

02-20-2011, 19:31

Actually a machine that can run crysis at those setting he showed, would have no problems running many of the new releases today.

Sure there will be some games that can be run, but the point is that the PS3 can run every game released from day one, to the last day.. compared to the $300 PC that won't be able to do the same thing.

Yungstar 2006

02-20-2011, 20:43

Sniper ghost warrior is coming to the PS3 btw

i know, i said that above....

I love being a sniper. When this game came out I scoured reviews and watched videos only to be let down. When the game was sold for less than $10 on steam I still passed. The game has a meta of 55 on PC and a meta of 45 on 360 for a reason.

1 million+ sales and another on the way says much more.

it is a pity that you put so much faith in review scores and thus miss out on some very good games and playing the part of a sniper that you love so much.

You are the only person who I have seen who thinks that these praises of the PS3 exclusives is only because of brownie points instead of genuine interest of the titles.

i'm not the one talking about PS3 exclusives in a 360 thread, perhaps i dont need to tell 360 owners PS3 has more and better exclusives. i.e, i dont need the brownie points.

And posting up those titles that consist of an almost 5 year old port and two franchises that have critically bombed (read: not even rated average, they were kicked straight to horrible territory) as a counter to quality of the upcoming PS3 exclusives...

i get the feeling i've hit a sore point, ps3 love much?
the fact of the matter is that any 360 exclusives i've mentioned are just that...
this very thread is based on an old game that may or may not have been exclusive.
it is a pity that your dependence on review scores means you miss out on some very good games though.

I am starting to think that you are making some sort of a joke. Or heavy handed sarcasm, because I am sure if people listed titles like those, and even breach (someone did recently lol) as an example of fine exclusives for the PS3, they would be torn apart by some other members here.

it says much about you that you cant play a game that is an old port or because a reviewer (who plays 100's of games) does not like said game.

i enjoy games on both systems and as i've said, i liked the 360 exclusives better. but i still enjoyed the ones i bought on PS3, just not as much.

for me its always about the games i enjoy and if someone said "you liked the Elite games, try this". a 5 year old game coming to 360 is not what i'm thinking.

if another said "you like arcade racers and cop chases, try Crash Time", i'm not thinking it got poor review scores, i'm more....

If you like driving games you'll probably be sold from the word go, but if you've ever enjoyed games like Burnout, Test Drive Unlimited or even some of the Need for Speed Hot Pursuit games, and you fancy a whole parcel of low-budget arcade action then this could be right up your alley.

Staticneuron

02-20-2011, 21:26

Well, I use reviews as a genreal indicator. There are probably only a handful of games I would contest ratings in. As far as starting to list exclusive and bring them up as a specific point for enjoyment, you started that with post #61. And my enjoyment of quality titles are not relegated to a particular console. If you were to talk about titles like Gears 3 or some other known and undeniable title of high quality then there wouldn't have been a question. I am debating particular titles used in your example. The question of hype and relative buzz amoung the community is because of the pedigree of the titles themselves not because of the fact that it a mere exclusive. People could be talking about trinity for the PS3, it is an exclusive. But I doubt most who have played the title have something to proclaim about the title since it is average at best. And sales is an indicator, along with reviews. I am counted among the sales of operation flashpoint. I got it for $3 on a steam sale. I would be disturbed if someone used the sales numbers of the game to indicate how well received it is while ignoring reviews. I personally think the game wasn't even worth the $3 I spent on it. I can agree with the reviews that it is as average as can be and that to me, is what makes it so bad.

Not as a definitive topic but as an example take a look at the game bestseller lists on amazon. Those are representations of money spent. What people actually purchase, not just some random off quote on a forum or fanboy chest beating. People in this thread while debating exclusivity and what it means never started touting titles until you did so maybe that is some sort of insecurity thing. No one needs to point out who has what, what people are debating is whether or not it is important to the life of a console and its place in market/gamers minds. I am just shocked at the quality of titles you used to compare to the upcoming PS3 exclusives because imo, the 360 does have quality titles without having to resort to using poorly recieved obscure titles. And with the exception of darkstar, the user ratings are the same or even lower than the critic ratings. Now while I don't always listen to critic reviews the user reviews, when explained clearly certainly saw purchase, so yes I listen to reviews. Normally when critic reviews are that low, user reviews fall within 2 points of that for better or worse. I do alot of things. I already think I waste more than enough time on money on video games. I do not need to waste it on poor titles just to pass my time or for a modicum of fun.

J3ff3

02-20-2011, 23:08

i have systematically proven you wrong.

where?

i have already corrected my self that it is HIGH setting not max.
no you didn't

you said:

"and for custom PC, you can even run Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks."

you've never said any different.

and i already specified that it was for custom PC, but then again you DONT need crysis capable PC to out perform console setting.of course you need a PC capable of playing crysis to outperform a console. if it can't play crysis on any setting it isn't going to be able to handle killzone is it?

at the end of the day, you can just pick up a non custom PC at console price and still play better graphics.and still play better graphics? could i have a translation please?

So tell me how can you consider anything "exclusive" when it could be played on hundreds of millions PC??this is a total and utter fabrication.

and as i have shown, your "pc is too expensive" argument is dead wrong.no, you haven't. and my argument was never based solely around price.

Staticneuron

02-20-2011, 23:41

where?

no you didn't

you said:

"and for custom PC, you can even run[B] Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks."

you've never said any different.

He did. After he said that I said.

Seriously? At what resolution? 680x480?

I built a custom gaming rig and have a core i5 and a Radeon 5870 at roughly $850. And even at its most intense I still see performance drops at 1080p on heavy scenes.

then he responded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

265 USD dollars sorry. and you are right. Not max, but high setting at 1900X1200 no AA though.

but still proves my point.

J3ff3

02-20-2011, 23:52

but it doesn't prove his point.

my 2 year old gfx card still costs around £90. you could get a 360 for that, or spend alot more upgrading your setup. if not in cash, then in time and experience.

so i don't see where the "hundreds of millions" of PC players are coming from.

Staticneuron

02-20-2011, 23:54

I wasn't talking about any other statement, just the specific crysis statement.

UberMadness

02-20-2011, 23:58

where?

no you didn't

you said:

"and for custom PC, you can even run Crysis 1 at MAX for 260 bucks."

you've never said any different.

someone else proved you wrong in this.

@Static

thx for explaining this.

of course you need a PC capable of playing crysis to outperform a console. if it can't play crysis on any setting it isn't going to be able to handle killzone is it?

Lol. what?? Did Killzone 2 ever go PC multiplat??

and still play better graphics? could i have a translation please?

you can play in settings that results in better graphics than console.

this is a total and utter fabrication.
Just like the PC playing Crysis in high settings??
http://www.jonpeddie.com/download/PC_gaming_hardware_market_report/Total-PC-Gaming-Hardware-Market-TOC-Exec-sum.pdf
http://www.jonpeddie.com/publications/pc_gaming_hardware_market_report/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/258871/news/gaming-pc-hardware-shipments-double-that-of-consoles/

:lol: :lol:
wow.. if you are going to call someone's claim bs, at least know what you are talking about.
it hurts any credibility you have left.

no, you haven't. and my argument was never based solely around price.

LoL. what is exactly your argument??

but it doesn't prove his point.

my 2 year old gfx card still costs around £90. you could get a 360 for that, or spend alot more upgrading your setup. if not in cash, then in time and experience.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

£149.99- 4gb Slim Model.(or 200 USD model.

Now, i have the basis to call your claim "total and utter bs fabrication"

Metfanant

02-21-2011, 00:05

I'm sorry...but I call BS on the building a gaming PC for those prices...

Obviously the video shows it can be done...but left out are lots of things that still need to be purchased...

Based on the video...did he include his PSU?...keyboard/mouse/gaming controller?...does he include the cost of Windows? Or are we suggesting the user take the route of pirating Windows to play their PC games?? Buying a monitor? Or are you gonna set up your PC on your main TV so that it can't be used whenever anyone wants to watch TV??...

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UberMadness

02-21-2011, 00:14

I'm sorry...but I cannot BS on the building a gaming PC for those prices...

Obviously the video shows it can be done...but left out are lots of things that still need to be purchased...

Based on the video...did he include his PSU?...keyboard/mouse/gaming controller?...does he include the cost of Windows? Or are we suggesting the user take the route of pirating Windows to play their PC games?? Buying a monitor? Or are you gonna set up your PC on your main TV so that it can't be used whenever anyone wants to watch TV??...

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i guess we should include price of TV for consoles. Price of Live. extra controllers.

btw, you can get cheap mouse keyboard for 20 usd or even less.

given how that video was made last year, we can assume that it would be even cheaper by now.

and i repeat, you dont need that PC to play in settings that looks better than console graphics.

sainraja

02-21-2011, 00:20

so why are all the threads currently turning into discussions on exclusivity?

seems to me like there should be two main sections to the psu forums. piracy and exclusivity.

You're on a discussion forum and those two topics happen to be popular at this point. What exactly are you here for if you want topics that get more discussion to well, disappear?

I guarantee you that this forum isn't the only place it's being discussed.

It's being discussed here:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=653679

Here:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27586179&tag=topics%3Btitle

I can give more examples.

Metfanant

02-21-2011, 00:23

i guess we should include price of TV for consoles. Price of Live. extra controllers.

- no on the TV...simply because like I said...I doubt you want your PC on your main TV....also...my PS3 comes with cables allowing me to hook it to just about any form of TV I can think of...

- PSN service is free...no need to add that cost

- one controller comes for free...not so with your custom PC...

btw, you can get cheap mouse keyboard for 20 usd or even less.you expect me to believe a serious gamer playing Crysis is rocking a $20 keyboard/mouse combo? Yeah right...

Oh...and did you address the power supply issue?...included with the case?...or did he buy a nice beefy one for his new components?

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UberMadness

02-21-2011, 00:37

- no on the TV...simply because like I said...I doubt you want your PC on your main TV....also...my PS3 comes with cables allowing me to hook it to just about any form of TV I can think of...

- PSN service is free...no need to add that cost

- one controller comes for free...not so with your custom PC...

you expect me to believe a serious gamer playing Crysis is rocking a $20 keyboard/mouse combo? Yeah right...

Oh...and did you address the power supply issue?...included with the case?...or did he buy a nice beefy one for his new components?

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power supply is there. in the description. he bought one for 15 bucks.Great Wall 600 SEL

And again, so why cant i include TV price for consoles if you are going to include monitor for PC price??

we are talking about consoles, so Live does count especially when we are discussing "console exclusive" which has mostly to do with xbox 360.

20 bucks for 265 bucks computer?? that doesnt sound too bad.

and since we are talking about price competitiveness vs consoles.

you cant forget all the extra things that PC does that console cant.

Since consumers sees product as value minus price, the extra value that PC has makes it even more competitive.

Oh yea. this thing includes postage also.

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 00:42

You're on a discussion forum and those two topics happen to be popular at this point. What exactly are you here for if you want topics that get more discussion to well, disappear?

I guarantee you that this forum isn't the only place it's being discussed.

It's being discussed here:
http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?t=653679

Here:
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27586179&tag=topics%3Btitle

I can give more examples.

please do. i was 100% being serious.

@uber - no one has shown a PC being a viable alternative, either finanically or otherwise, to a console. please direct me to an actual post where this has happened.

you cannot buy a gaming pc for anywhere near the price of a console - and certainly not one that would play crysis 1 on max. and you cannot just install a £100 graphics card in any pc, nor would the vast majority of PC users want or be able to do so.

so your claims of "hundreds of millions of pc gamers" is a bit of a joke to be fair.

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 00:45

@uber -

here you go. put together a pc that will play crysis on max (or even close) for £160:

http://www.ebuyer.com/

post the results back and i'll accept that you're right.

UberMadness

02-21-2011, 00:47

please do. i was 100% being serious.

@uber - no one has shown a PC being a viable alternative, either finanically or otherwise, to a console. please direct me to an actual post where this has happened.

you cannot buy a gaming pc for anywhere near the price of a console - and certainly not one that would play crysis 1 on max. and you cannot just install a £100 graphics card in any pc, nor would the vast majority of PC users want or be able to do so.

so your claims of "hundreds of millions of pc gamers" is a bit of a joke to be fair.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHR2vXgJJcE&feature=player_embedded

:lol: that includes postage btw.

http://www.jonpeddie.com/download/PC_gaming_hardware_market_report/Total-PC-Gaming-Hardware-Market-TOC-Exec-sum.pdf
http://www.jonpeddie.com/publications/pc_gaming_hardware_market_report/
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/258871/news/gaming-pc-hardware-shipments-double-that-of-consoles/

:lol: :lol:
wow.. if you are going to call someone's claim bs, at least know what you are talking about.
it hurts any credibility you have left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360

£149.99- 4gb Slim Model.(or 200 USD model.

Now, i have the basis to call your claim "total and utter bs fabrication"

Are you doing this on purpose??

what is the purpose discussion if you are going to come back AND say exact same thing after i have proven you dead wrong??

this sort of response just makes it extremely obvious that you know you are wrong, but unwilling to admit it like a child.

you already tried to bs about the price of a cheapest console Lol.

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 01:21

Staticneuron

02-21-2011, 01:29

.

you expect me to believe a serious gamer playing Crysis is rocking a $20 keyboard/mouse combo? Yeah right...

Yes, cheap wired KB/m are the fastest. The only reason why someone would spend more is either because of wireless or additional function buttons that they can set macros to.

They guy wrote the individual parts and prices

Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 $50
Gigabyte GA-G41MT-ES2L $56
2GB OCZ DDR3 6400MHz Gold $40
Western Digital 160GB SATA $20
Western Digital 80GB IDE $0
1GB ATI 3870x2 $60
HP DVD-RW DVD $10
Thermaltake Wing RS 101 $10
Great Wall 600SEL $15
Generic Blue LED 12cm Case Fan $5
Postage $30
Total: $296and got the setup from a magazine.

The issue about whether or not you can build a gaming PC for $300 is moot. You can. Toms hardware and many other sites can help you with the research. The only issue is future and relative value. I built my rig (excluding speaker cost and monitor cost) for between $800 and $850. I purchased an i5 though and used an older MB configuration. I am not planning on doing a dual GPU setup so that dictated what I was going to build and how cheap.

My PC has 8 gigs of ram and my most expensive part is my GPU which at the time was $420. Within the same mobo configuration, just by shaving of cost of ram, going lower on CPU, GPU and power supply, I am sure I could have built a gaming rig for $300. Probably wouldn't last the next 5 years but it certainly could handle the best of today with decent rates.

$265 is a joke. $400 for someone who knows what they are doing, $500 for someone who doesn't - and as i said, that is who i was referring to as a customer.

Different country different prices. I can find 3850 for $40 bucks and chances are he got the gpu as it was being discontinued which drove the prices rock bottom.

Take for instance after the rebate the low end GPU's are $24 on newegg.

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 01:35

not in the UK you couldn't. in any case, the point was not that it was not possible - but that your average punter could not do it, as i put in my post. therefore it separates itself as a market.

at the end of the day, you can just pick up a non custom PC at console price and still play better graphics.

£124 (xbox with a game) = $200 =/= a ready made gaming pc with better graphics.

UberMadness

02-21-2011, 02:00

http://i55.tinypic.com/auf7d1.png

taken pretty much from your video. £205 ($333) EXCLUDING a graphics card AND excluding the whole monitor / tv /speakers debate.

ADD a 3870x2 - which by the way is inferior to the 4870 i said i owned (http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/255725-15-3870x2-4870) which still can't play crysis 1 on max with 4 gig of ram, and you are well over $265.

the cheapest equivalent you could find would be a 4670, which would bump your cost up to $400. plus you are still ignoring that these are individual prices. you would have to pay to have someone put this together or to buy it as a package at retail. you're probably looking at another $100 if you're lucky.

$265 is a joke. $400 for someone who knows what they are doing, $500 for someone who doesn't - and as i said, that is who i was referring to as a customer.

*edit - and i wasn't lying about a console price. http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/xbox-360-4gb-console-harry-potter-lego-years-124-00-tesco-direct/876792 £124 with a game. thats a slim. you could pick up a 60gig on its own for £90 - £100. i bought my 60 gig 2 years ago for £129 from sainsburys

****Edit - and i've forgotten a heat sink and cooling fan in there. thats another 25 dollars

http://oi54.tinypic.com/2uh3at0.jpg

also, fans and heat sink... max 10 bucks. :lol:http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=574&name=CPU-Fans-Heatsinks&Order=PRICE

They discontinued CPU and graphics card. but now days you can get equivalents cheaper.

and Monitor?? sound?? :lol:
So i guess i will add price of TV and sound system on top of console price.

Edit* just saw your Xbox price.

Lol.. wow. are you kidding?? cause some store had one time in a year special deal?
that went Out of stock in LESS THAN A DAY??

and you mention a game. yes Harry Potter game. :Lol:

EDIT.

:lol: using same logic. i will post one time special deal PCs. NOT even customized.
http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/38211

This CAN PLAY games at settings that results better graphics than consoles.

Yes, cheap wired KB/m are the fastest. The only reason why someone would spend more is either because of wireless or additional function buttons that they can set macros to.

They guy wrote the individual parts and prices

and got the setup from a magazine.

The issue about whether or not you can build a gaming PC for $300 is moot. You can. Toms hardware and many other sites can help you with the research. The only issue is future and relative value. I built my rig (excluding speaker cost and monitor cost) for between $800 and $850. I purchased an i5 though and used an older MB configuration. I am not planning on doing a dual GPU setup so that dictated what I was going to build and how cheap.

My PC has 8 gigs of ram and my most expensive part is my GPU which at the time was $420. Within the same mobo configuration, just by shaving of cost of ram, going lower on CPU, GPU and power supply, I am sure I could have built a gaming rig for $300. Probably wouldn't last the next 5 years but it certainly could handle the best of today with decent rates.

Different country different prices. I can find 3850 for $40 bucks and chances are he got the gpu as it was being discontinued which drove the prices rock bottom.

Take for instance after the rebate the low end GPU's are $24 on newegg.

agreed.. i just love how he tried to find a discounted Xbox and not the other way around for PC.

again, PC offers more values.

since consumers view items as value minus price, having more value makes it still competitive despite slightly higher price tag..

And again. Most accessible game on different platform=/= exclusive.

Staticneuron

02-21-2011, 02:30

Alright this thread.
http://www.frontiernet.net/%7Ejoe14580/this%20thread%20has%20derailed.jpg

I am sorry to have contributed to this. Can we please get back on topic. If you want to continue this line of discussion please create a new thread.

btbam

02-21-2011, 02:36

zombies are getting overplayed. How about something original. Invasion of the mole people?

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 02:48

@ uber - whatever. you can't put together a gaming PC in the uk for £160 ($260). prove me wrong.

even if you could, it has very little to do with my original post where i said the price AND the knowledge (how to put the pc together etc) make it very unlikely that anyone with a standard PC in their home would consider creating a new PC or turning their original into a gaming PC - EVEN IF THEY COULD. most PC's in homes are off the shelf Dells that aren't designed to have a high end, or even budget card introduced - even if they've been bought in the last year or so. my 2/3 year old component PC with a 4870HD ATI can't play Crysis on max. stop talking *******s.

and like i said, i bought a 60 gig 360 two years ago for £129, and an arcade for £129 with a game. they aren't one time offers they are easy to find.

***edit - I'm using one of the cheapest UK sites to spec the PC components - don't try and tell me i'm bumping up the price.

UberMadness

02-21-2011, 02:55

@ uber - whatever. you can't put together a gaming PC in the uk for £160 ($260). prove me wrong.

even if you could, it has very little to do with my original post where i said the price AND the knowledge (how to put the pc together etc) make it very unlikely that anyone with a standard PC in their home would consider creating a new PC or turning their original into a gaming PC - EVEN IF THEY COULD. most PC's in homes are off the shelf Dells that aren't designed to have a high end, or even budget card introduced - even if they've been bought in the last year or so.

and like i said, i bought a 60 gig 360 two years ago for £129, and an arcade for £129 with a game. they aren't one time offers they are easy to find.

***edit - I'm using one of the cheapest UK sites to spec the PC components - don't try and tell me i'm bumping up the price.

lol. i wasnt the only one who pointed that out. :lol:

and as static pointed, this thread is derailed enough. and you could not even properly argue half the points i brought up.

if you want to continue this discussion, create another thread.

sainraja

02-21-2011, 03:00

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 03:00

i'll take that as a "no, I can't create a gaming PC for £160" then.

UberMadness

02-21-2011, 03:11

i'll take that as a "no, I can't create a gaming PC for £160" then.

i have already proven you wrong(posted a pic and a link). and Static pointed out why you were wrong.

It does not seem like you are trying to have a discussion.. i mean what kind of a trolling response is that?? it does not even address any of the points i brought up. you could not even properly argue all the points i brought up. and now you are pathetically trolling instead of trying to have a discussion.

As the mod said, if you are going to continue create this discussion, make another thread and i will prove you dead wrong again.

J3ff3

02-21-2011, 03:20

UberMadness

02-21-2011, 04:31

skulpt

02-21-2011, 04:35

You DON'T need a PC that can run Crysis 1 on max to outperform consoles. You just need a computer that can run CONSOLE games in 720p at about 30fps with even a touch of AA to outperform consoles. A very old graphics card can do that with Mass Effect 1,2, Gears...

I understand that some don't want to compare for what ever reasons, but you don't need a monster PC to run 720p, 30fps with often no AA. Don't compare a game that consoles won't even touch this gen in Crysis.

Don't include PCs as an alternative. That's fine. But at least compare games that are on both when you talk about what specs you need for a PC. It'll actually be interesting to see what Crysis 2 looks like on the consoles vs an average PC. I know that Mass Effect 2 looked way better on my older GT260. It was a jaggies fest on my 360 and was choppier as well.

Staticneuron

02-21-2011, 06:14

you haven't proven me wrong. you can't create a gaming PC for £160 that can handle crysis on max, and you haven't done. you've posted one link to a youtube video featuring a 3870x2 - which is worse than my 4870. which can't handle crysis on top specs.

and if anyone is a troll......

Ok, you guys still choose to go of topic, I hope this is wrapped up but J3ff3, he did recant the "max" statement and said very high as the video shows. The video is not a fluke and 3870 X2 have been benchmarked.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ati-r680-rage-fury-maxx-2,1764-14.html

As you can see from the charts, the same resolution and very high settings in fact can be attained and it has been documented. When you see the COD4 charts that list 40 FPS at 1900x1200 with AA4x and Aniso 8x, it states that with even an aged setup comps with older specifications still can outperform consoles. That added to the pic from newegg (which I even talked about the site and my PC build) should really have squashed that debate. It can be done, and the machine will outperform consoles.

Any other talking point though I have not even paid attention too and I hope this is the last we hear of this. New thread or PM, I don't care how you guys resolve this but lets get this thread back on topic.

Suzano-O

02-21-2011, 06:28

Wouldn't this make more sense to be in the PS3 section?...

Anyways, this is good news, I guess...I had no idea it was an 360 exclusive anyway...

Guymelif

02-21-2011, 07:25

I can't believe this thread isn't locked. Its so far off topic it isn't even funny.

Soldier 95B

02-21-2011, 15:33

The game has a meta of 55 on PC and a meta of 45 on 360 for a reason.

Dang, that score sucks. I think I am still going to pick it up though. I know, I am a glutton for punishment.

So I think the difference in the titles you mention vs why people are excited over the sequel of socom, killzone, uncharted, resistance, infamous, motorstorm, and the spiritual successor to shadows of the colossus all dropping in one year, is simply overall reception and sales.

I think we find that people are excited over the titles you mentioned, as well as excited about Halo, Crackdown, Forza, Gears of War, Fable, Conviction, Alan Wake. To me, it wouldn't matter if KZ3 was on 360 and Alan Wake was on PS3. I just want to play all the good games, and I am excited that they both have some great AAA titles, with many more to come.

I had no idea it was an 360 exclusive anyway...

That makes a lot of us ;)