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I came onto this site by accident and came across multiple posts saying that the Wii is a just a rehashed/overclocked/upgraded Gamecube
Let Me clear this up:
It's NOT Just a Reharshed GCN
First off in terms of Graphics and power the Wii is more powerful than the Xbox (which was like 2.5 times more powerful than the GC) though not as powerful as the 360, plus it also has the USB slots with GC didn't have, an SD card slot and has built in Wi-Fi. but the main reason why it's not is obviously cause of it's controllers, it allows the player to move the controller in a full 3D environment whilst the PS3 controller only provides basic tilting and bouncing, (nowhere near as sofisticated as the Wii)
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii.
Now I'm also not saying the PS3 is an upgraded PS2 either, mainly because of it's Blu-Ray space, HDMI and cell,
360 well....
Also you cannot Judge a console on it's graphics and Power alone, If you judged Consoles on graphics and Power capabilities why are you a PS2 fanboy (I say this cause PS3 is not out yet).
Now I'm not bashing the PS3, or the Wii (360 well uhh...)
But I want you guys to be a little open minded, Don't Judge a console on Graphics and Power alone, (if you do you're a Xbox fanboy)
cx1(dcfan)
09-17-2006, 06:11
you dont want to argue that here bro, i've made several very successful arguements as to why the wii =/= gc but all that happens is people just take the discussion to a new thread.
Many people here agree, others dont because they see crappy screen shots. Most have never played the wii and have a very basic understanding of game development.
Agent Smith
09-17-2006, 06:35
I came onto this site by accident and came across multiple posts saying that the Wii is a just a rehashed/overclocked/upgraded Gamecube
Let Me clear this up:
It's NOT Just a Reharshed GCN
First off in terms of Graphics and power the Wii is more powerful than the Xbox (which was like 2.5 times more powerful than the GC) though not as powerful as the 360, plus it also has the USB slots with GC didn't have, an SD card slot and has built in Wi-Fi. but the main reason why it's not is obviously cause of it's controllers, it allows the player to move the controller in a full 3D environment whilst the PS3 controller only provides basic tilting and bouncing, (nowhere near as sofisticated as the Wii)
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii.
Now I'm also not saying the PS3 is an upgraded PS2 either, mainly because of it's Blu-Ray space, HDMI and cell,
360 well....
Also you cannot Judge a console on it's graphics and Power alone, If you judged Consoles on graphics and Power capabilities why are you a PS2 fanboy (I say this cause PS3 is not out yet).
Now I'm not bashing the PS3, or the Wii (360 well uhh...)
But I want you guys to be a little open minded, Don't Judge a console on Graphics and Power alone, (if you do you're a Xbox fanboy)
I agree with you 100% man. It's about time someone came out and said this. Hell, I am getting Wii anyway, no matter what people say about it. Rep power earned dude.
Tribunal
09-17-2006, 06:44
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii.
Um... say what? HD doesn't improve the graphics of the game, it just makes it more clear and vibrant. By that logic my 360 games should look exactly the same as my Xbox games because I did not have an HD TV at the time, which was simply not that case. The Wii may be more powerful than the GC but it wont touch the 360 or PS3 (ya ya, I know it's not supposed to I've only heard it 30 times)
Axe&Hammer
09-17-2006, 06:45
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii. Nope,sorry not true at all. :no
the Wii's graphics do not look close to the 360's or Ps3s at 480i
The Wii is well a "gamecube" with more under the hood,and by gamecube I mean a nintendo console that will underperform and have lackluster graphics and games,the controller is a joke, and the name well sucks,way to go nintendo you created a joke and it worked I'm laughing:???:
If Nintendo dropped its mario remakes and spent time making a decent new Ip like resistance then I would have some respect but mario strikers and galaxy,and even Zelda dont cut it this time.
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-17-2006, 06:54
exclusives make a console
im sure the ps3 will sell bucketloads because of mgs4
and the 360 will sell bucketloads because of halo 3
its just the way it is
Appolyons
09-17-2006, 06:56
Dotrool, your post is noble and I somewhat agree with what you are saying but it is clear your new to this forum. Your point has been said 1 million times here in 1 million different ways, your post is in no way unique.
Smith, to say that its about time someone said this...well...i dont know where that comes from. Cx(1) has posted many well defined arguements, I know because I was usually arguing alongside him. The 360 wont seel bucketloads because of Halo 3, they will sell bucketloads because of GoW. Halo 3 will be great and be a defining reason for many 360 purchases but GoW will be a bigger reason.
Nope,sorry not true at all. :no
the Wii's graphics do not look close to the 360's or Ps3s at 480i
The Wii is well a "gamecube" with more under the hood,and by gamecube I mean a nintendo console that will underperform and have lackluster graphics and games,the controller is a joke, and the name well sucks,way to go nintendo you created a joke and it worked I'm laughing:???:
See this is what I was talking about, people who only think on graphics, If you wanted something with just good graphics I would watch a CGI movie,
And it's not just GCN graphics take a look at the footage from Red Steel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fM0khxUeQ
If Nintendo dropped its mario remakes and spent time making a decent new Ip like resistance then I would have some respect but mario strikers and galaxy,and even Zelda dont cut it this time.
Well lets see...
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Wario Ware
Axe&Hammer
09-17-2006, 07:05
See this is what I was talking about, people who only think on graphics, If you wanted something with just good graphics I would watch a CGI movie,
I hate CGI movies,they ruined animation Thank god the japanese still do cell animation
And it's not just GCN graphics take a look at the footage from Red Steel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81fM0khxUeQ
Yeah RedSteel is not looking so good,and to looks really hard to control:?
Project H.A.M.M.E.R.
Yeah,looks bad
Disaster: Day of Crisis
*looks around sees tumble weed*:roll:
Wario Ware
Wario=Mario*moves on*
Appolyons
09-17-2006, 07:07
the controller is a joke, and the name well sucks,way to go nintendo you created a joke and it worked I'm laughing:???:
If Nintendo dropped its mario remakes and spent time making a decent new Ip like resistance then I would have some respect but mario strikers and galaxy,and even Zelda dont cut it this time.
Thats your own warped opinion and it isnt shared by most gamers. The controller is a joke only to those who wish to play video games as they have always been played. I cant wait to get my PS3 but I also cant wait to see how video games can now be played. Guess what? Our lovely PS3 also tried to mimick much of what the Wii controller has as far as inter game relation and failed miserably. Point is, the controller is in the eyes of the beholder and many people, whether they like the Wii or not, will end up buying it for one reason or another.
The Mario remakes are fantastic and not as "reproduced" as everyone here loves to say. Mario Galaxy will sell, you can be rest assured. Zelda...well...Zelda will do fine, I am confident in that also. You've basically just challenged two of the biggest names in the face of gaming. You say they are not "decent," you say they dont "cut it," well, I dont think your opinions quite "cut it."
cx1(dcfan)
09-17-2006, 07:17
To run images in HD at 60fps takes more power than it would take to run the exact same game at 480p or less (not sure why tribby disagrees with this). But it is not as big of a factor as most nintendo fans make it out to be.
The current crop of wii games run on engines and physics developed for the gc, and a game that doesnt like mario galaxy looks pretty good. The games are also still prelaunch, so it is not surprising that games running on a gc engine with a bump to 480p and running at 60fps still look like gc games. The power difference between the two will become more evident as more games are made from the ground up for the wii.
I wrote in another thread my feelings on the wii graphics wise and it's potential, I dont feel like rewriting it so here is a quote.
On a bit of a sidebar it is interesting that Sony fans view the PSX -> PS2 as a true generation leap. The fact is that Sony skiped out on the 64 bit era (short lived I know) and went straight to the 128bit, which means the ps2 was two generations ahead of the psx. Sony has now (I believe) duplicated that same jump in one generation, which is why the hardware is so cutting edge and expensive. I think both Microsoft and Sony have simulated that two generation jump, and I believe when all is said and done we will look back on the wii and see that it was comparable to the jump from 32 bit to 64, possibly slightly less (Just my opinion). I think the competition is just so far ahead that the advances of the hardware seem pretty small, eventually we'll see some games that really push the wii hardware. Unfortunetly that probubly wont happen for another year or two, right now most games are running off of engines and physics designed specifically for the gc not to mention all games are still pre release.
Another thing that anyone should think about when talking about the wii is that it isnt really intended for people on this forum. Heck it probubly isnt really intended for me either. I think you have to take that into consideration when you think about purchasing it or even debating what nintendo is trying to accomplish.
Appolyons
09-17-2006, 07:21
Nice sig, makes me laugh. I should make one myself like that.
Tribunal
09-17-2006, 07:21
(not sure why tribby disagrees with this)
I don't disagree with the fact that it takes more power. Common sense is something I don't lack. But for that very same reason I did disagree with the fact that he said a PS3 or 360 running on a SD TV will look the same as the Wii.
cx1(dcfan)
09-17-2006, 07:26
I don't disagree with the fact that it takes more power. Common sense is something I don't lack. But for that very same reason I did disagree with the fact that he said a PS3 or 360 funning on a SD TV will look the same as the Wii.
be honest with me, you're just angry because USC took care of business tonight. (:
Yeah, he is wrong in many of his premises. That isnt open to much debate. I reread your quote, and I may have misinterprited it a bit.
Axe&Hammer
09-17-2006, 07:33
Thats your own warped opinion and it isnt shared by most gamers. The controller is a joke only to those who wish to play video games as they have always been played. I cant wait to get my PS3 but I also cant wait to see how video games can now be played. Guess what? Our lovely PS3 also tried to mimick much of what the Wii controller has as far as inter game relation and failed miserably. Point is, the controller is in the eyes of the beholder and many people, whether they like the Wii or not, will end up buying it for one reason or another.
The Mario remakes are fantastic and not as "reproduced" as everyone here loves to say. Mario Galaxy will sell, you can be rest assured. Zelda...well...Zelda will do fine, I am confident in that also. You've basically just challenged two of the biggest names in the face of gaming. You say they are not "decent," you say they dont "cut it," well, I dont think your opinions quite "cut it."
blah blah blah..sony's control is using the tilt function far more realisticaly,the wii looks hard to control and from the IGN videos it is hard to control,Mario always sucked,I hate that racist japanese mascot,and Zelda well Its a good story,but I've lost interest,Mario games are reproduced 5.3 games a year gets old fast...the Wii may be good for some japanese kids,but here in the America it will be pushed around by the 360 and Ps3
I do wish the Wii well... man, that sounds dorky. :p
But honestly, Nintendo needs another Resident Evil and Eternal Darness game badly. Metroid is what interests me, not that awful pack in game which is more of a party game (buy your own Wii-motes guys... please??). I'll get a Wii eventually, when more grownup games hit the market, but I want those otherworldly PS3 games more.
And as I said before, if you don't want Wii to be a GameCube2, buy those games, buy those Wii-motes, and holler at developers that you want more great games the day after tomorrow. And get all your friends to do the same.
Angelcurio
09-17-2006, 09:27
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii.
Well, since wii games are going to look the same as ps3 and 360 games on a SDTV since all their power is just used for HD showing, it will be nice to see wii games with volumetric clouds, raytracing clouds, HDR, Bloom, Global Illumination, Physics, AF, 4x AA, insane DoF, Motion Blur; HQ textures, normal mapping and the likes :rolleyes:
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Ignorance is bliss to some, I guess....
Look at this then.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=13093
See how far Metroid Prime 3 has come along. If you cant tell that this is BEYOND current gen standard, you seriously need your eyes testing.
Carsonal
09-17-2006, 09:45
Some of the screenshots for the Wii may look gamecubesque because the characters and surroundings are from the games that are meant to appeal to wide audiences.
So they are soft and non abrasive to the eye unlike some of the incredibly detailed games on ps3 and 360
Some of the screenshots for the Wii may look gamecubesque because the characters and surroundings are from the games that are meant to appeal to wide audiences.
So they are soft and non abrasive to the eye unlike some of the incredibly detailed games on ps3 and 360
Spot on. Wii games tend to look like they do because they are Nintendo games. What do people think Mario Tennis would look like on the 360?
It is blindingly obvious that it's not a rehashed Gamecube. The chipset is different, the drive is different, the casing is different, the controller is very different, it has WiFi, SD slot, on-line out of the box...
It's just another case of people wanting to complaing for the sake of it. As I've said before in previous posts, I have nothing against people not wanting to buy something, but what does surprise me is the sheer number of lame "excuses/reasons" that people come up with.
Yeah RedSteel is not looking so good,and to looks really hard to control:?
Well, if you're a retard, then maybe it looks "hard". First of all, that is an old build of the game. The controls are still a bit slow and clumsy. If you read previews from the new demo, you'd find out that they've improved the gameplay quite a bit. And I don't understand what's so hard about a) moving your right arm to aim and shoot by pressing a button and b) moving your character with the nunchuk add-on you're holding in your left hand.
Yeah,looks bad
I guess you haven't seen the new footage from Project HAMMER. I'd say it's even comparable to Untold Legends (though not in HD).
*looks around sees tumble weed*:roll:
Are you really trying to imply that nature's DISASTERS are somehow boring?
Wario=Mario*moves on*
And here we can clearly see someone speaking who has NEVER played WarioWare. Wario Wares are not even remotely close to any Mario game, not in the graphics (WarioWare has more whacky and stylized cartoony look) and not in the gameplay (real Marios = platformers, Wario Ware = superfun party-game with an awesome multiplayer)
and holler at developers that you want more great games the day after tomorrow.
Well, I'm guessing that the ~100-hour Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will keep me playing more than just two days. And I've got to play those surgical operations in Trauma Center: Second Opinion too. I don't think I'm that good that I'd be over with those games after two days. And when those are over, I hope Michel Ancel has done a great job with Rayman Raving Rabbits which will keep me going for a while longer too. Oh, and the new exclusive Sonic looks pretty promising too. Excite Truck will also be worth checking if arcade racing is to your liking.
Here's hoping Red Steel is even somewhat comparable to Goldeneye and Perfect Dark so that it will be worth getting too. Oh, and Super Monkey Ball will hopely be as good as SMB 1 & 2 which were tons of fun and pretty hard too. Wario Wares are such long lasting multiplayers that if I decide to buy the new Wario Ware, I'll still be playing the game with my friends two years from now. By the time that I've handled all the good & great launch titles, I'm guessing Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearers and Super Smash Bros. Brawl will keep me entertained for a long while.
Disaster Day of Crisis is supposedly something like 60-70% ready, so that's possibly a game to add to your wishlist too. If you're a fan of hack 'n slashes, Project HAMMER might be worth checking. Those will keep me busy for at least to Summer 2007, if not even longer, after which games like Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, Fire Emblem, Sadness and many other games we don't yet know about will be more present-day stuff than now.
Mario games are reproduced 5.3 games a year gets old fast...
OH.. MY.. EFFING.. G*D. Haven't we been through this already?
A) No, there are not 5.3 Mario games released every year. This year there has been Mario & Luigi 2 and New Super Mario Bros. The other is a ROLE-PLAYING GAME, and the other a platformer. That's two really different Mario-related games. No other Marios are released this year. And both of those were for a handheld you a) didn't own when either of those were released, b) don't own now and c) won't own in the future, so you couldn't have played them and get bored in them.
B) Stop whining about "5.3 Mario games per year getting boring fast" when you play... let's see... ZERO/NONE/NADA of them. I always wonder how you can get bored to games you've not even played. It's quite pathetic if you get bored to Mario when you see him in a magazine or website 2-4 times in a year, and likely just page through the preview/review/other Mario related article without even trying to read what's written about the subject. I find it amusing how you can get bored to Mario platformers that come out only every 6+ years, and I find it even more hilarious how you can get bored to Mario platformers by watching pictures of Mario Party. And what's best, you've gotten bored to a series (LoZ) with only six previous games on home consoles, of which two or three you've probably even played/tried, if even that.
But honestly, Nintendo needs another Resident Evil and Eternal Darness game badly.
Maybe this game meets your criteria
Sadness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGodPYzUws
"It's NOT Just a Reharshed GCN"
So what does the wii offer except a different box, name and graphics card. I am going to get a wii yes but i'm just finding it harder to justify.
"It's NOT Just a Reharshed GCN"
So what does the wii offer except a different box, name and graphics card. I am going to get a wii yes but i'm just finding it harder to justify.
Well, first and foremost totally different games. Then a new kind of controller, backwards compatibility to several consoles (every Nintendo home console and Turbografx 16 & Sega Genesis), a bigger and better focus & support on online gaming, no need to buy memory cards (at least in the beginning) because there's a flash memory for game saves & downloads right out of the box, better CPU, better GPU etc. It does offer a lot.
pendinginsanity
09-17-2006, 12:48
Well, first and foremost totally different games.
Another Zelda and Mario? :???:
Maybe this game meets your criteria
Sadness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abGodPYzUws
I guess that you could just record a real person when you're too cheap to produce believeable CGI, gj nintendo making a fool out of yourself. :dunce:
totally different ayy. I was watching an IGN weekly where they were hand on with the controller. One of the games they were playing was mario football. hmm.....ring a bell. It looked almost identical to the GCN version except with different controlls. And then theres mario tennis...
Appolyons
09-17-2006, 15:01
blah blah blah..sony's control is using the tilt function far more realisticaly,the wii looks hard to control and from the IGN videos it is hard to control,Mario always sucked,I hate that racist japanese mascot,and Zelda well Its a good story,but I've lost interest,Mario games are reproduced 5.3 games a year gets old fast...the Wii may be good for some japanese kids,but here in the America it will be pushed around by the 360 and Ps3
Pending, thats pretty funny...even someone like me who is looking foward to the Wii can agree that showing a person through the entire clip should hide itself in shame. Now onto Axe.
Your right axe...all the Japanese are racist so they made Mario to proclaim to the world that only fat short Italians can be in video games. Your on top of things. You might have lost interest in Zelda and I am sure many others have. Your not alone in that. I'm not going into the game reproduction, their was a previos thread on all that and I argued that to the end, I dont have the finger power to reproduce it. I'm not too sure if the thread is still up or not...probably not though.
Look, I cant convince you that it will be a solid system in the end with good games and nice add ons but you have to understand it will wont be pushed around by the 360 and PS3. It has too many titles that people are anxious for. Like it or not, people are looking foward to RE, some are looking foward to Zelda, some want Mario, and some want to try out that new Wiimote. Point is, I believe it will hold its own as it always has.
pendinginsanity
09-17-2006, 15:09
Pending, thats pretty funny...even someone like me who is looking foward to the Wii can agree that showing a person through the entire clip should hide itself in shame.
It's called 'Sadness' after all :lol: :bang:
NextGenHorn
09-17-2006, 15:40
I have nothing against Wii or its games, just about the the controller.
Whenever some of the pro-Wii people tries to play during 2 or more hours using the Wiimote, let me know your opinion then.
My guess is you will have problems trying to write on this forum because of your tired arm.
Your right axe...all the Japanese are racist so they made Mario to proclaim to the world that only fat short Italians can be in video games.
Well they had no choice, there was a giant monkey throwing barrels down some stairs, something had to be done and the fat italians had experience in those matters.
Appolyons
09-17-2006, 17:02
Your a funny guy jab. Seriously...you should start a routine.
Well, I'm guessing that the ~100-hour Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess will keep me playing more than just two days. And I've got to play those surgical operations in Trauma Center: Second Opinion too. I don't think I'm that good that I'd be over with those games after two days. And when those are over, I hope Michel Ancel has done a great job with Rayman Raving Rabbits which will keep me going for a while longer too. Oh, and the new exclusive Sonic looks pretty promising too. Excite Truck will also be worth checking if arcade racing is to your liking.
If I gave you the impression that I thought Wii games were wii tiny, sorry about that. I do own a GameCube after all, along with both Metroids, RE4 and Eternal Darkness.
What I was driving at is that developers have to commit to Wii for the long haul, which was something they didn't do for the GC. Eternal Darkness and Resident Evil 4 were wonderful surprises, as were the Metroid games, software which truly showed up both the nearly crippled PS2 and the much more powerful XBox. But those games were tiny oases in a desert of average titles.
I have a bad feeling though that unless Nintendo spends some essential capital to keep developers in tow, that the Wii will be just a GameCube2.
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-17-2006, 20:08
of course the wii is not a rehashed gamecube
its a suped up xbox1 with a funky controller
Zer0Force
09-17-2006, 20:49
Gamecube Specs:http://www.consoleinfo.co.uk/gamecube.html
Wii Specs:http://www.wiisworld.com/wii-specs.html
Have fun.
Crazy Phat
09-17-2006, 21:43
I do not have a Wii inside of my room connected to my TV(HDTV) so I cannot say that it will suck or the controller is a gimmick etc. I am sure the Wii will be fun as I had fun with my GC with games like Super Mario Melee, Rougue Squandron, Zelda: Windwaker, etc.
Though I do not have a Wii inside my room, I do not want what a fear to come true.
The GC, was a great party machine, with great first party exclusives and everything. I got a GC in the first year it was released. Nice console with great graphics and games and extremely comfortable controller, Mario, etc. Really loved it fora year or so. Then after a while, the good games started to stop coming and when they did(Rogue Squandron, Mario, Soul Calibre 2, Viewtiful Joe), they were too little. When I turned into a teenager, I was tired of the Marios and Zeldas. I think of Nintendo as a happy company, but I would love to see them stop using Mario for every single thing. Mario this and that. I am also not very fond of their dependency on what developer(Miymoto or something like that).
With the Wii, the controller seems like it will present new ways of gameplay control wise. But power wise, I am not so sure. Since power and graphics are not the Wii's main focus, I am worried that the CPU and GPU will not deliver upon the controller. Like if I shoot a piece of wood, I expect the splinters of wood to fly off, and if their is light, it will shine through the holes with the graphics making it seem very detailed and accurate. I do not want 2d like splinters coming off the sameway all the time. I am worried that the controller might open new doors, but the processing power, graphics and media storage will **** some others that does not allow it to reach further.
I have a bad feeling though that unless Nintendo spends some essential capital to keep developers in tow, that the Wii will be just a GameCube2.
Do you want to know why GameCube failed? Or at least one of the biggest reasons why it wasn't too succesful.
Launch line-up and the 1st year after that. Launch line-up had Luigi's Mansion, Roque Squadron II and Super Monkey Ball. Not exactly the killer line-up you'd hope. During its first year Super Mario Sunshine and Super Smash Bros. Melee were some of the only games worth getting, whereas PS2 had several big titles (like FFX and MGS2) and Xbox rode with the success of Halo.
Do you want to know what is different with Wii and might ultimately lead to its "victory" (or at least the second place close to the winner)? Promising launch line-up and many promising games being released within the next year. Whereas GameCube had pretty much nothing, Wii's going to have numerous big titles at launch and other "greats" released during the following months after launch. Even if most of them are not especially to your liking, I know a lot of people who are interested in other launch titles than just the now-delayed Metroid Prime 3. Red Steel seems interesting to many, Twilight Princess is one of the biggest games after GTA and Final Fantasy, Wii Sports will definitely find its target audience, Wario Ware is pure fun. Then there are the upcoming releases after launch, like the now-delayed Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Disaster Day of Crisis and probably many others we haven't even heard of yet. These games will make more and more people buy Wii, which in return will lead to more games which will lead to more people buying Wii which will lead to more games etc. etc. etc. That didn't happen with GC. There were "no games", so "nobody" bought the console. That lead to exclusives being lost and when exclusives were lost, so were potential GC buyers.
The Wii... could be considered as a rehashed system.. for the fact that it still depends on the engine the cube has. But the reasons why it isn't is the interface .. the controller.. and the mediem it uses. The game cube was never meant to have such an interface or to have a disc bigger than its past cartridges.
With the interface and the medium, those are two very significant alterations. The graphics may have changed a 'little'.. and not as much as the other two systems, but they changed in another direction.
Do you want to know why GameCube failed? Or at least one of the biggest reasons why it wasn't too succesful.
Launch line-up and the 1st year after that. Launch line-up had Luigi's Mansion, Roque Squadron II and Super Monkey Ball. Not exactly the killer line-up you'd hope. During its first year Super Mario Sunshine and Super Smash Bros. Melee were some of the only games worth getting, whereas PS2 had several big titles (like FFX and MGS2) and Xbox rode with the success of Halo.
Do you want to know what is different with Wii and might ultimately lead to its "victory" (or at least the second place close to the winner)? Promising launch line-up and many promising games being released within the next year. Whereas GameCube had pretty much nothing, Wii's going to have numerous big titles at launch and other "greats" released during the following months after launch. Even if most of them are not especially to your liking, I know a lot of people who are interested in other launch titles than just the now-delayed Metroid Prime 3. Red Steel seems interesting to many, Twilight Princess is one of the biggest games after GTA and Final Fantasy, Wii Sports will definitely find its target audience, Wario Ware is pure fun. Then there are the upcoming releases after launch, like the now-delayed Metroid Prime 3, Super Mario Galaxy, Disaster Day of Crisis and probably many others we haven't even heard of yet. These games will make more and more people buy Wii, which in return will lead to more games which will lead to more people buying Wii which will lead to more games etc. etc. etc. That didn't happen with GC. There were "no games", so "nobody" bought the console. That lead to exclusives being lost and when exclusives were lost, so were potential GC buyers.
Dude, i'm a nintendo fan and I have harsher words for the gamecube. It was completely inferior to the PS2 and Xbox. My main opinion is that their games were inferior to their old 64 games. Sure, they looked prettier, but fell short in comparison. It wasn't the software decision that lead to the cube's failor... they were simply out classed..
My favorite example would be Star Fox Assault... You have 3 games coming out at the same time... Starfox, GTA SA, and MSG 3: SE. Starfox was a joke...
Their launch decisions didn't help them a lot, but I don't think that was a main cause.
While PS2 owned all last gen (and is still owning), Xbox was in far 2nd and Gamecube was in close 3rd. The funny thing is, Xbox (while it didn't make a profit) moved more units than the Gamecube...WITHOUT the support of Japan. In other words, Gamecube got kinda owned.
PS3 and 360 will take 2-3 years to make a profit. Wii will do that at launch, but will only last 2-3 years.
And YES, Wii is JUST A REHASH OF THE GAMECUBE. Don't let the smooth taste fool you. A Jerry-rigged Gamecube is what you will get. But if the games are fun, that is what matters.
But still, I ain't paying $250 for an enhanced Gamecube. Nintendo stepped a bit outside of the realm of cheap, fun, and affordable. Now it is an investment. I rather INVEST in a system that will be around for a long time. I'll get a Wii when it's $129-149...what it's worth.
While PS2 owned all last gen (and is still owning), Xbox was in far 2nd and Gamecube was in close 3rd. The funny thing is, Xbox (while it didn't make a profit) moved more units than the Gamecube...WITHOUT the support of Japan. In other words, Gamecube got kinda owned.
PS3 and 360 will take 2-3 years to make a profit. Wii will do that at launch, but will only last 2-3 years.
And YES, Wii is JUST A REHASH OF THE GAMECUBE. Don't let the smooth taste fool you. A Jerry-rigged Gamecube is what you will get. But if the games are fun, that is what matters.
But still, I ain't paying $250 for an enhanced Gamecube. Nintendo stepped a bit outside of the realm of cheap, fun, and affordable. Now it is an investment. I rather INVEST in a system that will be around for a long time. I'll get a Wii when it's $129-149...what it's worth.
By plain definition, the Wii isn't Reashed...because there are two significant alterations. The only real way to prove that the wii is a hash.. is to argue how the wiimote and the medium *the bigger disc* isn't significant.
Now for your opinion on the games... well that's all they are. I agree, Playstation have done quite well for itself adn I"m proud to own one. But how long the systems will last .. only time can tell. I could argue how the PS3 can last over them... but I can also argue that hte PS3 will fail. Too many possibilities and factors to be too sure about anything.
Dude, i'm a nintendo fan and I have harsher words for the gamecube. It was completely inferior to the PS2 and Xbox.
I agree it was inferior to PS2, but it really had a lot more AAA, AA and A quality exclusives worth getting (although lacked some good multiplatforms like Burnout 3) than Xbox.
For Xbox:
Otogi
Otogi 2
Mech Assault 2
Panzer Dragoon Orta
Ninja Gaiden
Jade Empire
KOTOR1
KOTOR2
and for most Xbox gamers, Halo 1 & 2
GC:
Super Mario Sunshine (which, imo, is in all ways superior to SM64, even if it didn't bring too much new things into the genre)
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker
Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat
Metroid Prime 1
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Super Monkey Ball 1
Super Monkey Ball 2
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance
F-Zero GX
Baten Kaitos
Tales of Symponia
Baten Kaitos Origins
Paper Mario: A Thousand-Year Door
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Resident Evil 4
Viewtiful Joe
Battalion Wars
Pikmin 1
Pikmin 2
Eternal Darkness
Resident Evil Remake aka REmake
Resident Evil Zero
Animal Crossing
Phantasy Star Online Episode I & II
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
Games that were better on GC than N64
F-Zero GX > F-Zero X
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! > Mario Kart 64
Super Smash Bros. Melee > Super Smash Bros.
Paper Mario: A Thousand-Year Door > Paper Mario
Super Mario Sunshine > Super Mario 64 (though I know many disagree with me on here)
Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat > Donkey Kong 64
Twilight Princess > Ocarina of Time? (still to be decided, but all the signs point out it does)
+ N64 didn't even have Fire Emblem (at least it wasn't translated), Metroid, Pikmin, Battalion Wars etc.
Games that were clearly better on N64 than GC:
1080 Snowboarding > 1080 Avalanche
WaveRace 64 > Wave Race Blue Storm
Star Fox/Lylat Wars 64 > Star Fox Assault
That's pretty much it. GameCube is often made look worse than it actually is. Even I sometimes have to think hard and long before I remember all those excellent games why GC is worth getting, at least for Nintendo fans and to all gamers who aren't afraid of playing colorful games.
Crazy Phat
09-17-2006, 23:24
I think the GC is better than the Xbox.
I might have also abandoned Nintendo too early... or joined with them too late. I heard so many good things about Pikmin, but I never played it. But I was never much of a gamer.
I would argue with the Mario Sunshine thing... I like the game, but it still felt too short. It originaly to ok me months worth of playing to get finish with Mario 64... Sunshine, just a week of causal playing. I'm not going to say the GC was bad...(I'll make me look bad considering I still play mines), but as a whole in the video game competition.. it failed.. But my opinion are limited to major tytles such as Star Fox, Wind Waker, and Mario Sunshine.
Hopefully this time around, I"ll play more games and have a better opinion
narutoboy
09-17-2006, 23:32
of course the wii is not a rehashed gamecube
its a suped up xbox1 with a funky controller
I think that's the best way to put it. :)
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-17-2006, 23:34
I think the GC is better than the Xbox.
the xbox has way more raw power
but the gamecube was pushed and utilised alot harder
Wii will be nice when it is $199.
I think PS2 might drop it's price and hurt Wii. Xbox 360 Core might also.
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-18-2006, 00:02
i think ninty are being a bit cheek at the moment
£179?
i can get a 360 with £20 more
and granted diffrent consoles, diffrent exclusives, diffrent way of playing but..
the raw hardware power that you pay for in a 360 batters the hell out of the wii any day of the week
i say chuck wii sports and make the wii aroubnd £100-£120 or something
Wii will be nice when it is $199.
I think PS2 might drop it's price and hurt Wii. Xbox 360 Core might also.
Considering that the Game Cube and PS2 would be worthless by the time of the launch... I don't think it matters. If someone really waits until now to buy a PS2.. or a NGC, then appearantly they're not one of the targetted cosumers..
i think ninty are being a bit cheek at the moment
£179?
i can get a 360 with £20 more
and granted diffrent consoles, diffrent exclusives, diffrent way of playing but..
the raw hardware power that you pay for in a 360 batters the hell out of the wii any day of the week
i say chuck wii sports and make the wii aroubnd £100-£120 or something
Well.. actually "I" was thinking about that... but you could only get a core system... meaning you'll need to buy extra stuff to get a full 360.. which would be more than the higher priced version of the system. And even with a core system, I don't think you'll get a game.. and you'll need a hard drive..
i think ninty are being a bit cheek at the moment
£179?
i can get a 360 with £20 more
Of course you COULD, but it would be the Core package... We all know how useless that is. You can't even play online, use backwards compatibility or save your games without (expensive) additional investments. So the real difference after you had all the basic needs for Xbox 360 would be closer to 100£, not even counting any games.
I'm guessing Nintendo will at first give Wii buyers Wii Sports, and a few months after the holidays drop Wii sports out from the package and drop the price to 199-220$.
Of course you COULD, but it would be the Core package... We all know how useless that is. You can't even play online, use backwards compatibility or save your games without (expensive) additional investments. So the real difference after you had all the basic needs for Xbox 360 would be closer to 100£, not even counting any games.
I'm guessing Nintendo will at first give Wii buyers Wii Sports, and a few months after the holidays drop Wii sports out from the package and drop the price to 199-220$.
I think the only people geting nick picky about the price because it's known to be inferior due to lack of graphic and hardware... even though it cost as much as a new lauched PS2. New systems, since the SNES costed around 200 american dollars.. and around that. So you pay a little more for one that connects on line using wifi and hvae a lot of other features.
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-18-2006, 00:21
Of course you COULD, but it would be the Core package... We all know how useless that is. You can't even play online, use backwards compatibility or save your games without (expensive) additional investments. So the real difference after you had all the basic needs for Xbox 360 would be closer to 100£, not even counting any games.
I'm guessing Nintendo will at first give Wii buyers Wii Sports, and a few months after the holidays drop Wii sports out from the package and drop the price to 199-220$.
a memory card for the 360 is only like £10 or something
granted there's no backward compability though
pendinginsanity
09-18-2006, 00:22
Considering that the Game Cube and PS2 would be worthless by the time of the launch... I don't think it matters. If someone really waits until now to buy a PS2.. or a NGC, then appearantly they're not one of the targetted cosumers..
And why would they be worthless? Sorry for asking?
I mean there's litterly 100 PS2 games that will be shown at TGS, and I'm certain many more are going to hit the shelves, the PS2 is far from worthless.
And why would they be worthless? Sorry for asking?
I mean there's litterly 100 PS2 games that will be shown at TGS, and I'm certain many more are going to hit the shelves, the PS2 is far from worthless.
Because there are new age systems.. and they'll be backwards compatible. Would someone want to get an older version of a system that.. they should have gotten between October 2000 and now.. or would they want to get the new system. If having a lowered priced PS2 hurt the gamecube.. then by that logic, an even lowered GameCube should do the deal.
A lower PS2 can hurt Wii because PS2 is STILL SELLING WELL.
Okami, FFXII, God of War II, Bully, etc are still coming out. Are you serious?
PS2 will be the king of xmas.
A lower PS2 can hurt Wii because PS2 is STILL SELLING WELL.
Okami, FFXII, God of War II, Bully, etc are still coming out. Are you serious?
PS2 will be the king of xmas.
Assuming there's a majority of people out there that do not already have a PS2.. the current leading system in this world..
pendinginsanity
09-18-2006, 00:37
Because there are new age systems.. and they'll be backwards compatible. Would someone want to get an older version of a system that.. they should have gotten between October 2000 and now.. or would they want to get the new system. If having a lowered priced PS2 hurt the gamecube.. then by that logic, an even lowered GameCube should do the deal.
Man that's downright hilarious, you have absolutely no idea how popular the PS2 is.
Man that's downright hilarious, you have absolutely no idea how popular the PS2 is.
Actually I do know how popular the PS2 is. Considering that I still play it myself. But it's popularity is due to the fact that.... most people already have. If there are still people that don't have a PS2.. and wait until after the launch of the next generation consoles..Then technically they're behind and wouldn't be considered as targetted consumers. And if they just 'now' get a PS2.. then what to say they wouldn't go for something cheaper like a 60 dollar game cube? If they did drop the price.. you could get both at around one hundred dollars or so.
To better define my point... if someone buys a PS2 during the launch of the new generation systems... it could be considered that they never planned on getting a new system to begin with.
Dead_EyeRO720
09-18-2006, 03:00
The Wii is well a "gamecube" with more under the hood,and by gamecube I mean a nintendo console that will underperform and have lackluster graphics and games,
I dare you to play Resident Evil 4 and still say it had lackluster graphics.
Appolyons
09-18-2006, 03:10
Well, every consol has a few top games and once those games have been decided through sales, its a useless point to compare them to other systems. We cant compare RE from GC to Halo on xbox to Final Fantasy on PS2. I could just imagine where those arguements would take this thread. The point is Nintendo has a grasp on some very sexy titles, RE being one of them. This is where I become obligated to buy.
Jap Attack
09-18-2006, 03:57
Wii graphically will look nothing like the 360 or PS3 even with an HDTV. I don't have an HDTV and Dead Rising and GRAW look spectacular. I was just watching the Trailers of Metriod Prime: Curroption with the guy demoing it and he was having a hard time controlling it. The curser would go off on its own at random times when the guy isn't moving his controller at all. And what i've read the Wii's Proccessor isn't even going at Ghz so theres no possible way the A.I. or Physics can be compared to the PS3 or 360. And its not all about graphics, but they help the gameplay alot. Physics is another thing thats going to change gameplay this gen. They can actually do physics real well this gen but not on the Wii. Think of Red Steel with physics as good as the PS3's. I do plan on buying a Wii for Zelda and Super Smash bros. but do i plan on buying mario? **** no. They turned mario into a dirty little Whore. He's in everyfriggin game they make now. Better hope to god they don't get the same idea with Link.
In case I'm sounding a little harsh on Nintendo, I'm not really, I'm just calling it as I see it, and as I have seen it.
I love the GameCube, and it is about as powerful as the XBox in many ways. In fact I read an article early this year or late last in which it was found that a GameCube game pushed the most polygons of that generation of console, even more than the XBox. Some of the games are just astounding, like my beloved Resident Evil 4. Even some of the old school type, what I refer to as "kiddy fare" like Viewtiful Joe are just amazing looking and fun to play. The problem is that the average games overwhelm the library, thanks to that darn underpowered PS2, which it really is. The PS2 is the weakest system of that generation, but it has the most incredible games. Just imagine what would have happened if the GameCube had had those developers working on games like God of War or Devil May Cry 3 for it instead.
Which brings us to the Wii, and its arrival is eerily similar to the GC's. The beginning games are... okay, nothing to get all that excited about. Unfortunately, they look like GameCube games. Excite truck doesn't excite me, neither does Red Steel or that lame sports pack in. The controllers are pricey. The games I want are forthcoming, like Metroid, Resident Evil and... whatever else catches my eye. Zelda will be fun, at least I hope so, but I'm not enthused about that Wii-mote. One of the IGN reporters at Leipzig was having some trouble with it, so hopefully it'll be bug free by launch, otherwise it'll be in a box, and I'll be using GameCube controllers.
I'm not completely a graphics bigot. I still prefer the SNES Final Fantasies to the Playstation ones. But... ya know, when Nintendo wants us to buy a system that's going to make them a profit, it would be nice if the games would look a little spiffier out of the gate, rather than looking like the old GameCube.
I'll be getting one, just... later, when getting a Wii, an SD card, a game and a controller won't cost more than a 360 core.
superjew
09-18-2006, 04:18
It seems most of you have no idea about the power of the wii so here is why it costs $250 and why the controllers are $60 all together and why it IS a good good deal, and yes i know this isnt musch about ps3 but i just thought i should bring this to your attention
i couldnt stand by and watch you guys bash the wii so much, these are all the reasons why it cost $250, and why the controllers arent crap.
I dont see why you guys think it costs too much, it is obviously not an overclocked gamecube, it is 3-4 times more powerful and the graphics are better than the original xbox's, and not far behind the 360's. Lets not forget that they are also using new technology with the wii mote that hasent been used before (and dont compare it to a light gun because thats totally different) and it comes with wii sports, which obviously isnt a full game but its worth at least $30, and it also comes with the wiimote and the nunchuck attachment which cost $60 together. So really your only paying $160 for the console itself, or $190 and getting wii sports for free, whichever way you see it.
The controllers are not crap. Just because they run on AA batteries means nothing, they last up to 60 hours of gameplay. Also, the ps3 battery dies out eventually and since you cant take it out, you have to buy a whole new controller which would cost $50-$60. And the reson they are so expensive is because, once again they have new technology and the wii mote has memory in (not a lot but you can store stuff on it, bring ir to your friends house and put it on his wii, like the mii characters, and also you can save control settings in your wiimote) and rumble, and a built in speaker, and that still only costs $39.99, and if im not mistaken, thats how much the WIRED xbox 360 controller is. and they are selling them seperate because not all multiplayer games use the nunchuck attachment, the only games i can think of are madden, red steel, and far cry. So some people might not even have those games, so why should they be forced to pay $60 ofr both when they may only use the wii mote.
Also you guys have to stop saying the ps3 controller has motion sensing, it DOES NOT. It only as TILT sensitivity, meaning you can only tilt it to make your plane turn or your car, it doesnt sense 3D space the the wiimote.
And now about graphics, obviously they are not even close to ps3's and arent as good as 360's but they are much better than gamecube. Dont base the graphics on screens, watch the movies, and if you still cant tell, download the movies because you get a much better quality rather than just streaming them from a website. If you dont know anything about the wii, which most of you dont, dont say anything abuot it. And whats so bad about launch date? its 2 days after ps3's! they promised it before thanksgiving and it is.
And about the Opera browser, it is free until june 2007 or something like that so you can download it for free before than. Some of you are complaing about the VC prices too, yes you can probably get nes games for less than $5, but does anyone still have a nes? Do they even still make nes, or snes? no. im sure you cant get them somewhere but it will be pretty hard to find. and as for n64's price, its perfectly fine, im sure you can also get those cheaper and if anyone still has an n64 and is getting the wii, they'll probably just but it for n64 cheaper, if they can find it. But for people who dont have the console but stilll want to play the games, $10 is a reasonable price.
So please, stop saying we is just an overclocked gamecube with a new controller.
PsychoKitten
09-18-2006, 04:20
This is an informative post but we already have many of them, plus this should probably be in the wii section as it doesn't really have much to do with PS3.
Agent Smith
09-18-2006, 04:20
It seems most of you have no idea about the power of the wii so here is why it costs $250 and why the controllers are $60 all together and why it IS a good good deal, and yes i know this isnt musch about ps3 but i just thought i should bring this to your attention
i couldnt stand by and watch you guys bash the wii so much, these are all the reasons why it cost $250, and why the controllers arent crap.
I dont see why you guys think it costs too much, it is obviously not an overclocked gamecube, it is 3-4 times more powerful and the graphics are better than the original xbox's, and not far behind the 360's. Lets not forget that they are also using new technology with the wii mote that hasent been used before (and dont compare it to a light gun because thats totally different) and it comes with wii sports, which obviously isnt a full game but its worth at least $30, and it also comes with the wiimote and the nunchuck attachment which cost $60 together. So really your only paying $160 for the console itself, or $190 and getting wii sports for free, whichever way you see it.
The controllers are not crap. Just because they run on AA batteries means nothing, they last up to 60 hours of gameplay. Also, the ps3 battery dies out eventually and since you cant take it out, you have to buy a whole new controller which would cost $50-$60. And the reson they are so expensive is because, once again they have new technology and the wii mote has memory in (not a lot but you can store stuff on it, bring ir to your friends house and put it on his wii, like the mii characters, and also you can save control settings in your wiimote) and rumble, and a built in speaker, and that still only costs $39.99, and if im not mistaken, thats how much the WIRED xbox 360 controller is. and they are selling them seperate because not all multiplayer games use the nunchuck attachment, the only games i can think of are madden, red steel, and far cry. So some people might not even have those games, so why should they be forced to pay $60 ofr both when they may only use the wii mote.
Also you guys have to stop saying the ps3 controller has motion sensing, it DOES NOT. It only as TILT sensitivity, meaning you can only tilt it to make your plane turn or your car, it doesnt sense 3D space the the wiimote.
And now about graphics, obviously they are not even close to ps3's and arent as good as 360's but they are much better than gamecube. Dont base the graphics on screens, watch the movies, and if you still cant tell, download the movies because you get a much better quality rather than just streaming them from a website. If you dont know anything about the wii, which most of you dont, dont say anything abuot it. And whats so bad about launch date? its 2 days after ps3's! they promised it before thanksgiving and it is.
And about the Opera browser, it is free until june 2007 or something like that so you can download it for free before than. Some of you are complaing about the VC prices too, yes you can probably get nes games for less than $5, but does anyone still have a nes? Do they even still make nes, or snes? no. im sure you cant get them somewhere but it will be pretty hard to find. and as for n64's price, its perfectly fine, im sure you can also get those cheaper and if anyone still has an n64 and is getting the wii, they'll probably just but it for n64 cheaper, if they can find it. But for people who dont have the console but stilll want to play the games, $10 is a reasonable price.
So please, stop saying we is just an overclocked gamecube with a new controller.
Hey dude, I am with you there. I am getting a Wii, and I am all for it. Shame that most people are rejecting it, but hey, you can't do nothing about the way people think.
Ricokillercon
09-18-2006, 04:27
I have to say this....
woot Wii justification topics!!!!!!!!
Kauldron
09-18-2006, 04:31
:neutral:
Nintendo controller = remade power glove, motion sensors and all.
Hardware is an overclocked gamecube.
This is just reality. Look up the specs, compare and judge for yourself.
The point is though, if you like the Wii, buy it. Nintendo said themselves it is not about graphics.
There is no point in trying to prove specs to someone else if you like the system.
Buy it and be happy.
EDIT:
Oh and this belongs in the Wii section, not PS3
ok i agree...the controllers are new and innovative, but wat you are saying is that no console should come with a controller?? thats wat i got from it...also, wii is a preety good console but im going for ps3 just cause everything it has with it and also the games...
this should not be in the ps3 discussion... wii is over priced IMO, that's just MY opinion, it doesn't come with a dvd player which isn't that bad, but still, the graphics aren't even near 360 or ps3 I don't know how anyone can say that... also the nunchuck and remote are sold seperately?! wtf?!
Tribunal
09-18-2006, 04:33
#1. The Wii actually doesn't justify the Price because they make a profit right from the start soooo, right there proves your paying for more than your getting. <br />
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Thats completely wrong, even...
Dark_Assassin
09-18-2006, 04:35
Dude, I am all for this "No Violence against the Wii" post, but, give me a break, this post isn't going to change anyone's ideas about getting a console. <br />
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P.S. Do you really think that the PS3...
Loudninja
09-18-2006, 04:35
The controllers are not crap. Just because they run on AA batteries means nothing, they last up to 60 hours of gameplay. Also, the ps3 battery dies out eventually and since you cant take it out, you have to buy a whole new controller which would cost $50-$60
You say stop spreading rumors yet you are doing the same stuff, I mean what is with this?
KingJordan
09-18-2006, 04:37
LOL @ the graphics are not far behind 360's graphics.
Wii Madden:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732391/madden-nfl-07-20060912043659840.jpg
Loudninja
09-18-2006, 04:42
[QUOTE=KingJordan;581791]LOL @ the graphics are not far behind 360's graphics.
OMG, that is horrible.
Tribunal
09-18-2006, 04:44
LOL @ the graphics are not far behind 360's graphics.
OMG, that is horrible.
Keep in mind that is possibly the worst looking Wii game. But others like Metriod which is being praised to death isn't as beautiful as they seem to want to think...
Kyuubi Naruto
09-18-2006, 04:45
It seems most of you have no idea about the power of the wii so here is why it costs $250 and why the controllers are $60 all together and why it IS a good good deal, and yes i know this isnt musch about ps3 but i just thought i should bring this to your attention
i couldnt stand by and watch you guys bash the wii so much, these are all the reasons why it cost $250, and why the controllers arent crap.
You can try.
I dont see why you guys think it costs too much, it is obviously not an overclocked gamecube, it is 3-4 times more powerful and the graphics are better than the original xbox's, and not far behind the 360's.
The Wii's specs haven't been revealed at all but from the small amount of information released about it that's what it is, just an overclocked Gamecube, a super Gamecube. Actually, on the leaked Wii specs it does look like an overclocked GC.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060802-7407.html
Right now though Nintendo's stated it doesn't have a dvd drive so it's just an overclocked GC.
Also you guys have to stop saying the ps3 controller has motion sensing, it DOES NOT. It only as TILT sensitivity, meaning you can only tilt it to make your plane turn or your car, it doesnt sense 3D space the the wiimote.
Tilt is motion sensoring. Just not up to the advanced skills of the Wii's controller.
And now about graphics, obviously they are not even close to ps3's and arent as good as 360's but they are much better than gamecube.
Look at the 360's price and then the Wii's. Really people aren't stupid. Also you stated the graphics are near the 360's above and you just contradicted yourself.
So please, stop saying we is just an overclocked gamecube with a new controller.
What is it then?
Hardware is an overclocked gamecube.
This is just reality. Look up the specs, compare and judge for yourself.
Have they been confirmed yet via developer or Nintendo officially or are these just the numbers IGN put out? I'm just interested to see if they have got that info out yet.
Thorzilla
09-18-2006, 04:46
I agree on your post superjew. Wii should not be judged so hardly. <br />
However, as many people said already, i think it actually is an overclocked Gamecube, and it barely reaches th elevel of the Xbox...
Wow!..just Wow
I think you've proved your point
hmmm.....you was trying to prove that you was stupid right?
Redrider
09-18-2006, 04:46
Being that this is a PS3 forum what did you expect? Please note that most of us are aware of the Wii spec details and is targeted at a completely different type of console market than the PS3. However just like any console it has its advantages and disadvantages as follows:
· Price: Yes it is cheaper than the 360 & PS3 (only $50 dollars than the “core” 360 system).
· Controller: Very controversial as this will either make or break this console?
· It is not a multi-media console (can’t watch DVD movies on it).
· Forced bundle of games (this has never been popular for any console).
· Limited backwards compatibility (same rap as the 360).
· Yes it has a new CPU but no where near that of the 360 or the PS3.
· Games cost almost as much as 360 / PS3 games??
· Both the 360 and the PS3 consoles sell for less than the cost to make the unit, so you would expect to pay more for the games (sour grapes, considering the price of games).
· Limited developer support / games marketed for a “younger” gamer?
You're right. It is FAR, FAR behind the 360. <br />
Just look at GeOW and then tell me that the Wii is even close to that. <br />
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If the controller dies out, you can just recharge it, WHILE...
I like the wii, but, you have to relaize that the wii is geting alot more pats on the back then the PS3 ever did. Nintendo lied about the region free thing, and you didn't see the internet go in a rampage about it. Now, if Kutaragi annouced something like that for the PS3, we all know all hell would break loose and we would see
"OMG Sony are lies, Giant Enemy Crab for massive Damage, Rige Racerrrrrrrrr, $600 $600 !111111111"
Truthfully I would like the GC...however, some of the games were disappointing. I found myself attracted to the DS games and the lower systems... In fact, I had a game boy advance way before I bought Gamecube.
The reason why I'm going for the Wii because they're going for a simple approach towards gaming. No doubt the PS3 and Xbox 360 out power it.. But they simply don't have the games I want to play. I truthfully just want a game I can start playing immediately without having too much thought into to it. And something with online play and at a reasonable price.
I'm not going to go into which system are logical better.. because it's just based on opinion... But the Wii seems more reasonable because it's basically cost-effective and they're not making any risks. I see it that way because... a lot of new gamers are children, and they parents would have to be out of their freaking minds to get their own children systems that cost as much as a downpayment on a car or a computer.
I think I said this a lot of times, but the Wii wasn't targetted to just average gamers, but to evreyone else. including those that lost interest in console gaming. It's a good step in a good direction.
Agent Smith
09-18-2006, 05:01
Yeah as I said, I am all for the Wii, the the PS3 is definetly King, hands down.
Mone has a great point. People keep on bitching about the price. My thing is if you really want the PS3, you'd probably work twice as hard to get one.
Trakdown
09-18-2006, 05:07
Look, the internet gave the 360 a ration of crap for its launch. It's given the PS3 the same treatment. Of course the Wii is next in line. And as Mone said, it's getting off relatively easy.
The /)octo/2
09-18-2006, 05:09
Riiiiiiidge Racerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lol i'll never forget that moment.
It was like he expected spontaneous applause or something... good lord.
On topic: This thread has done more to hurt the Wii than help it.
Back off topic: "Giant Enemy Crab, for Massive Damage !!"
Hee-haw hee-haw. :D
I'm so tired of hearing about the Wii it's ridiculous. This is the playstation 3 section, take the campaign elsewhere.
KingJordan
09-18-2006, 05:10
Keep in mind that is possibly the worst looking Wii game. But others like Metriod which is being praised to death isn't as beautiful as they seem to want to think...
The worst looking PS3 game looks better than the best looking Wii game.
Dark_Assassin
09-18-2006, 05:19
Pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics. Look at the development of graphics from Halo 1 to Halo 2... Totally different...
"OMG Sony are lies, Giant Enemy Crab for massive Damage, Rige Racerrrrrrrrr, $600 $600 !111111111"
Hahahaha.
Well, it goes to show you that Ninty fanboys are more sensitive than PS3's.
I think the OP needs to stop spreading rumors about PS3, cuz he knows nothing about it. He came here and got owned about the Wii. Best thing to do is ignore Wii bashing if you don't like it.
Thorzilla
09-18-2006, 05:28
Pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics. Look at the development of graphics from Halo 1 to Halo 2... Totally different...
Ehm...Last time i checked, Halo 1 and 2 where made on Xbox...
Redrider
09-18-2006, 05:30
Pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics. Look at the development of graphics from Halo 1 to Halo 2... Totally different...
Pretty AGGRESSIVE statement there man, one has to wonder if this console has to power for it? :shock:
I’m not here to trash the Wii but don’t get your expectations too high!:pale
Pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics. Look at the development of graphics from Halo 1 to Halo 2... Totally different...
By the time that happens, Xbox 360 will reach CGI quality graphics and PS3 a even better quality.
badz_ps3
09-18-2006, 05:31
this forum is pathetic these days.. ive lost most respect for the posters simply because all they do is spew their fanboyism everywhere. i know the forum was much better when i started comin here because heck, i wouldnt have joined if it was filled with such crap all the time. but yet notice how my posts per day have dropped from 4, 5+ to now under 3. (coincidence?)
anyway i would go into detail about my opinion but most the things id say have already been said by someone else, so in short.. know that i too agree that there is more to the wii then just a gamecube, and people need to either stfu and get educated, or learn not to be so immature when trying to express their opinions.
The /)octo/2
09-18-2006, 05:32
Pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics. Look at the development of graphics from Halo 1 to Halo 2... Totally different...
The inferior hardware of the Wii and the fact that the 360 has been out for a while now, which means developers are starting to really utilise the massive power of the Xbox360 (roughly the power of two suns) means that the Wii will never catch up to the Xbox in terms of graphical prowess.
It's more about gameplay innovation than excellent graphics, and that's straight from Ninty's mouth, baby.
Sorry but somebody was going to point out that what you said was crap.
Kauldron
09-18-2006, 05:42
Have they been confirmed yet via developer or Nintendo officially or are these just the numbers IGN put out? I'm just interested to see if they have got that info out yet.
Here you go Jabs, this is what I found. The Wii specs are from a developer
leak. So no, its not "official" but judge for yourself.
Gamecube Hardware
• 486 MHz internal processor clock
• 200 MHz 64-bit bus width to main memory (1.6 Gigabytes per second maximum)
• 32KB associative L1 Icache
• 32KB associative L1 Dcache with 16KB data scratchpad
• Super-scalar microprocessor with five different execution units:
o 2 integer units, 1 FPU, and 1 loadstore unit and branch unit
• DMA unit servicing 16KB data scratchpad.
• DMA request queue - 15-entry.
• Write-gather buffer for writing graphics command lists to the video system.
• Embedded 256KB 2-way set-associative L2 unified cache.
• 2 32-bit Integer Units (IU)
• 1 FPU, 32 and 64-bit bus width
• The FPU supports Floating Point Paired Singles (FP/PS)
• Branch Unit provides static AND dynamic branch prediction
• Features Out-Of-Order execution which means that when an instruction delays because of data access, subsequent opcodes can continue to be decoded and executed.
http://pabut.homeip.net:8000/yagcd/chap2.html
Wii Hardware
• Operating speed: 729 MHz
• Bus to main memory: 243 MHz, 64 bits (maximum bandwidth: 1.9 gigabytes/sec)
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 instruction cache
• 32-kilobyte 8-way set-associative L1 data cache (can set up 16-kilobyte data scratch pad)
• Superscalar microprocessor with six execution units (floating-point unit, branching unit, system regis
ter unit, load/store unit, two integer units)
• DMA unit (15-entry DMA request queue) used by 16-kilobyte data scratch pad
• Write-gather buffer for writing graphics command lists to the graphics chip
• Onboard 256-kilobyte 2-way set-associative L2 integrated cache
• Two, 32-bit integer units (IU)
• One floating point unit (FPU) (supports single precision (32-bit) and double precision (64-bit))
• The FPU supports paired single floating point (FP/PS)
• The FPU supports paired single multiply add (ps_madd). Most FP/PS instructions can be issued in
each cycle and completed in three cycles.
• Fixed-point to floating-point conversion can be performed at the same time as FPU register load and
store, with no loss in performance.
• The branch unit supports static branch prediction and dynamic branch prediction.
• When an instruction is stalled on data, the next instruction can be issued and executed. All instructions
maintain program logic and will complete in the correct program order.
• Supports three L2 cache fetch modes: 32-Byte, 64-Byte, and 128-Byte.
• Supports these bus pipeline depth levels: level 2, level 3, and level 4.
Reference Information: Broadway is upward compatible with Nintendo GameCube’s CPU (Gekko).
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8802
Check these links for GPU comparisons, I'm too lazy for that.
Gamecube----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamecube
Wii------------>http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=8802
Axe&Hammer
09-18-2006, 05:44
Wii Madden:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732391/madden-nfl-07-20060912043659840.jpg
:lol:ZOMG LMAO that game looks like a PsP could handle it:shock:
pretty soon the Wii will reach the level of Xbox 360 graphics.
Quote of the day,no it wont by the time it could the 360 will be gone and dead and the Ps4 will be on the market
Lazerblade22
09-18-2006, 05:49
why're you coming in here to tell us this? :?
Just stay away from the ps3 board if you dont want to see any wii bashing. There's a nintendo board here for a reason.
Redrider
09-18-2006, 05:50
If these graphics are anywhere near that of the 360 I need glasses ASAP!
Axe&Hammer
09-18-2006, 05:56
Sorry but ever time I read the thread title I hear a 14 year old with a cracking voice saying "Stop spreading rumors":lol: Come guys what do you expect ever Zen,CS mastahs like me spread rumors;)
Well... that was a mature post. ;)
But seriously, Nintendo could sell the Wii more affordably. They would still make a profit, if the games are any good.
The games coming out next year do look good. This Christmas though... ehh...
The nunchuk is too expensive too, and even reviewers who play games for a living have problems with it.
There are issues with the Wii, just like there are with all of them, sad to say. Some of the guys' criticism is over the top, like, "It's just an overclocked GameCube." Although... in comparison to the other two systems, especially with some of the launch games, the Wii kinda does look like an overclocked GameCube. But hey, don't yell at us for bringing it up. Yell at Nintendo and the developers for making them that way.
Wii Madden:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732391/madden-nfl-07-20060912043659840.jpg
:lol:ZOMG LMAO that game looks like a PsP could handle it:shock:
Quote of the day,no it wont by the time it could the 360 will be gone and dead and the Ps4 will be on the market
If they Wii can do Xbox 360 graphics of ANY form at ANY span in its life, Then we'll already have the PS4, and XBOX 720 in our homes this year.
Wow @ how the people in the stands just cut off perfectly into oblivion. Madden looks terrible on the Wii.
American Ninja
09-18-2006, 06:24
The controllers are not crap. Just because they run on AA batteries means nothing, they last up to 60 hours of gameplay. Also, the ps3 battery dies out eventually and since you cant take it out, you have to buy a whole new controller which would cost $50-$60.
LOL That is the funnest thing I have ever read! lol:D :D
After reading more about the Wii and seeing the screenshots of Wii games. I agree with Luke from 1up.com the Wii is just a peripheral:mrgreen:
kudoshinchi
09-18-2006, 06:59
I dont see why you guys think it costs too much, it is obviously not an overclocked gamecube, it is 3-4 times more powerful and the graphics are better than the original xbox's, and not far behind the 360's.
I stop reading right after that sentence. You must NOT wearing your glasses or must be blind.
It doesn't proof till Doom 3 or Halo 2 run on the Wii then you can make that statment that powerful then Xbox.
SolidifiedPenguin
09-18-2006, 07:20
i couldnt stand by and watch you guys bash the wii so much, these are all the reasons why it cost $250, and why the controllers arent crap.
Yah and i couldnt stand by and watch forums after forums bash the PS3.
You can dish it out but you cant take it. Now you know what it feels like. You like that? you like that?!
=P
LOL @ the graphics are not far behind 360's graphics.
Yeah, use quite possibly the worst looking game on the console to judge the rest of the games. That's a real fair comparison. [/SARCASM]
there is more to the wii then just a gamecube, and people need to either stfu and get educated, or learn not to be so immature when trying to express their opinions.
I know that much is true, but he could've easily said that without bashing the other two consoles. Isn't that spreading fanboyism too, but from a non PS3 fan?
I've always said if Nintendo got better third party support, then I may consider a nintendo console again. The wii has this, and thats one stinking differnce between it and the gamecube and perhaps more impotant then the wiimote.
I can't say I'm too intrigued by the specs though, but then again, I tend to care less about graphics as I get the system. As long as I find joy in a system, I'm happy
Also another point I want to make, I forgot who said it, but It burns me up when it hear it. When Nintendo fanboys or any other fanboy say their games are only capable of fun, I want to stop you right there and tell you, fun is not defined by a company; it is defined by personal enjoyment. The PS3 crowd will have as fun much with their console as their x360 counterparts and wii counterparts.
I really had to get that accross.
badz_ps3
09-18-2006, 14:29
I know that much is true, but he could've easily said that without bashing the other two consoles. Isn't that spreading fanboyism too, but from a non PS3 fan?
i dunno if id consider what he wrote "bashing" of the other consoles, but even if it were im assuming the only reason why he posted this thread was becasue of all the flack wii has been getting since its release date and official price was announced. I for one came to this site for ps3 info, but on occassion i would check out this wii section and after a while, i found myself wanting one. It was great too cause any wii info could be posted and talked about and most the fanboy's would stay in the other sections of the forum. Now with the big info of release date/price it seems the fanboys have felt it necessary to go into the other parts of the forum and rant on how crappy the wii's gonna be while most of them probably havent read up on anything that has to do with a wii. they prolly just saw a few crappy screenies and that is the bases on their opinions... again i say to all those people, please just grow up cause you really take away from the site as a whole.
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 14:52
It seems most of you have no idea about the power of the wii so here is why it costs $250 and why the controllers are $60 all together and why it IS a good good deal, and yes i know this isnt musch about ps3 but i just thought i should bring this to your attention
i couldnt stand by and watch you guys bash the wii so much, these are all the reasons why it cost $250, and why the controllers arent crap.
I dont see why you guys think it costs too much, it is obviously not an overclocked gamecube, it is 3-4 times more powerful and the graphics are better than the original xbox's, and not far behind the 360's. Lets not forget that they are also using new technology with the wii mote that hasent been used before (and dont compare it to a light gun because thats totally different) and it comes with wii sports, which obviously isnt a full game but its worth at least $30, and it also comes with the wiimote and the nunchuck attachment which cost $60 together. So really your only paying $160 for the console itself, or $190 and getting wii sports for free, whichever way you see it.
The controllers are not crap. Just because they run on AA batteries means nothing, they last up to 60 hours of gameplay. Also, the ps3 battery dies out eventually and since you cant take it out, you have to buy a whole new controller which would cost $50-$60. And the reson they are so expensive is because, once again they have new technology and the wii mote has memory in (not a lot but you can store stuff on it, bring ir to your friends house and put it on his wii, like the mii characters, and also you can save control settings in your wiimote) and rumble, and a built in speaker, and that still only costs $39.99, and if im not mistaken, thats how much the WIRED xbox 360 controller is. and they are selling them seperate because not all multiplayer games use the nunchuck attachment, the only games i can think of are madden, red steel, and far cry. So some people might not even have those games, so why should they be forced to pay $60 ofr both when they may only use the wii mote.
Also you guys have to stop saying the ps3 controller has motion sensing, it DOES NOT. It only as TILT sensitivity, meaning you can only tilt it to make your plane turn or your car, it doesnt sense 3D space the the wiimote.
And now about graphics, obviously they are not even close to ps3's and arent as good as 360's but they are much better than gamecube. Dont base the graphics on screens, watch the movies, and if you still cant tell, download the movies because you get a much better quality rather than just streaming them from a website. If you dont know anything about the wii, which most of you dont, dont say anything abuot it. And whats so bad about launch date? its 2 days after ps3's! they promised it before thanksgiving and it is.
And about the Opera browser, it is free until june 2007 or something like that so you can download it for free before than. Some of you are complaing about the VC prices too, yes you can probably get nes games for less than $5, but does anyone still have a nes? Do they even still make nes, or snes? no. im sure you cant get them somewhere but it will be pretty hard to find. and as for n64's price, its perfectly fine, im sure you can also get those cheaper and if anyone still has an n64 and is getting the wii, they'll probably just but it for n64 cheaper, if they can find it. But for people who dont have the console but stilll want to play the games, $10 is a reasonable price.
So please, stop saying we is just an overclocked gamecube with a new controller.
Man, alot of the thing you said were really stupid.
Example:
The controller will eventual die: This is true but these batteries last for years and years if used properly and you can actually take them out.
Tilt is not motion sense: Wtf? Try looking up the word motion sense, it is motion sense. Here, i'll help you out movement: a natural event that involves a change in the position or location of something, Sense: the perception that something has occurred or some state exists.
Dont base the graphics on screens, watch the movies: Oh, so you want us to compare cgi instead of real gameplay? I gotcha
And about the Opera browser, it is free until june 2007: That's bs and if it's not, show some proof.
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-18-2006, 15:18
Dont base the graphics on screens, watch the movies: Oh, so you want us to compare cgi instead of real gameplay? I gotcha
i think he ment dont base the graphics from just the screenshots as we learned with heavenly sword, the screens look horrid, but in motion it looks divine
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 15:24
i think he ment dont base the graphics from just the screenshots as we learned with heavenly sword, the screens look horrid, but in motion it looks divine
Ok.
Any examples? I haven't seen one video of a wii game that looked "divine"
SpaceMonkeyDave
09-18-2006, 15:31
Ok.
Any examples? I haven't seen one video of a wii game that looked "divine"
i didnt say that
i said that some games in motion look much better than screenshots, i didnt name any console or game in particular i just gave examples
The Opposition
09-18-2006, 15:51
My God! One thing I see over and over as I read these PS3 fanboy statements is, "Nintendo will nvr catch up to the Xbox or PS! The Wii's graphics suck, sure it's got good games...but their graphics, eh." 1. NINTENDO'S GRAPHICS AREN'T EVER GOING TO CATCH UP! IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO! THEY ARE FOCUSED ON INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY & GAMES RATHER THAN GRAPHICS & AFFORDABILITY! 2. Everytime I see a PS fanboy talk it's always about the graphics, well good graphics w/ bad games is useless. I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't have some good games coming out, but not near the quantity of Nintendo's Wii. (this is true)
The Wiimote (which is not going to cost $50, contrary to what many of you believe) is something finally new and innovative, opposed to the same controller we've had for the last 2 gens! If you swing the wiimote, you swing your sword, if you point at the screen and hit "B" you point your gun and shoot. This is what at least I dreamed of when I was a little kid! It's crazy to think that the nunchuk's going to be "too expensive" and "going too easily" (i've heard that from alot of you)
Listen, I know you guys are like "let's hug and kiss and be friends again" and "the best way to avoid wii bashing is to just avoid it", but i'm not really protecting the Wii, I just want to know why you favor the PS3 over the Wii and i'm just expressing my views why i'll be getting the Wii instead.
To me it's as clear as this:
Do I want the same controller since...ever, or something awsome and innovative?
Do I want to pay the $600 or $230?
Do I want the PS3's launch games or the Wii's launch games?
And listen, it's not like i'm a nintendo fanboy, i've just happened to choose the Wii this time around. I think the PS2 was better in graphic power, games, online capabilties, everything. The PS2 was amazing, I have like 20 games for it versus the 10 or less games I have for my gc, Sony also has great titles that are exlcusive only to them (especially the Ratch & Clank series for me ;) )
So all i'm saying I guess is....Nintendo is better than PS this time around. (that was alot more simple ^_^')
*EDIT* Oh, btw, compare that Madden screenshot to these:
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/711/711723/the-legend-of-zelda-twilight-princess-wii-version-20060607043212552.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/642/642241/legend-of-zelda-twlight-princess-20050816014853906.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/642/642241/legend-of-zelda-twlight-princess-20050816014844500.jpg
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732817/metroid-prime-3-corruption-20060914022547997.jpg
http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/711/711545/metroid-prime-3-corruption-20060606064057545.jpg
I swear, you must of looked far and low to f ind that crappy madden pic. =)
Appolyons
09-18-2006, 15:55
Ah boy here comes the storm. I'm not gona reply to that...I'm gona sit back and just read.
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 16:01
My God! One thing I see over and over as I read these PS3 fanboy statements is, "Nintendo will nvr catch up to the Xbox or PS! The Wii's graphics suck, sure it's got good games...but their graphics, eh." 1. NINTENDO'S GRAPHICS AREN'T EVER GOING TO CATCH UP! IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO! THEY ARE FOCUSED ON INNOVATIVE GAMEPLAY & GAMES RATHER THAN GRAPHICS & AFFORDABILITY! 2. Everytime I see a PS fanboy talk it's always about the graphics, well good graphics w/ bad games is useless. I'm not saying the PS3 doesn't have some good games coming out, but not near the quantity of Nintendo's Wii. (this is true)
The Wiimote (which is not going to cost $50, contrary to what many of you believe) is something finally new and innovative, opposed to the same controller we've had for the last 2 gens! If you swing the wiimote, you swing your sword, if you point at the screen and hit "B" you point your gun and shoot. This is what at least I dreamed of when I was a little kid! It's crazy to think that the nunchuk's going to be "too expensive" and "going too easily" (i've heard that from alot of you)
Listen, I know you guys are like "let's hug and kiss and be friends again" and "the best way to avoid wii bashing is to just avoid it", but i'm not really protecting the Wii, I just want to know why you favor the PS3 over the Wii and i'm just expressing my views why i'll be getting the Wii instead.
To me it's as clear as this:
Do I want the same controller since...ever, or something awsome and innovative?
Do I want to pay the $600 or $230?
Do I want the PS3's launch games or the Wii's launch games?
And listen, it's not like i'm a nintendo fanboy, i've just happened to choose the Wii this time around. I think the PS2 was better in graphic power, games, online capabilties, everything. The PS2 was amazing, I have like 20 games for it versus the 10 or less games I have for my gc, Sony also has great titles that are exlcusive only to them (especially the Ratch & Clank series for me ;) )
So all i'm saying I guess is....Nintendo is better than PS this time around. (that was alot more simple ^_^')
Lmao, new and innovative? Are you kidding me. It's nothing new and it's definitely not innovative. Your comment about nintendo's game quality is an opinion and that's all. One fact about nintendo and their game selection is the fact that they milk them dry and offer nothing but kiddy crap. The Playstation controller isn't the same as you say, so i don't know what you're talking about there.
Lmao, new and innovative? Are you kidding me. It's nothing new and it's definitely not innovative. Your comment about nintendo's game quality is an opinion and that's all. One fact about nintendo and their game selection is the fact that they milk them dry and offer nothing but kiddy crap. The Playstation controller isn't the same as you say, so i don't know what you're talking about there.
You complain about his post being opinionated while your entire post is nothing but your own opinions... First of all, you've never even played a game coming out for Wii, and based upon your worship of Sony, I doubt you even keep up with news on them. That leaves you in no right to judge. I could say PS3 has no innovation whatsoever, but would that make me right? Absolutely not. Then you make your remark saying that the quality of Nintendo games was nothing but his opinion, but then have the nerve to state that your opinion is a fact? Please. I suggest you learn to live with the opinions of others, because you expect us to live with yours.
pendinginsanity
09-18-2006, 20:59
Tons of crappy images
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/555/555689/resident-evil-4-20041008045024626.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/555/555689/resident-evil-4-20041008045044967.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/555/555689/resident-evil-4-20041008045055138.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/542/542640/resident-evil-4-20040826070822238.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/541/541874/resident-evil-4-20040824022048896.jpg
http://cubemedia.ign.com/cube/image/article/534/534489/resident-evil-4-20040729030247452.jpg
That's all I have to say, go figure yourself.
I think Zelda and Metroid are bad examples my cousin thought Metroid Corruption was being launched on the Gamecube and Zelda is a up-port from the Gamecube. :lol:
So far Metroid doesn't look much different from the Gamecube version gameplay wise, other than i'm waving about the wii controller than having the traditional pad.
It's going to take a lot of convincing to tell me that the Wii isn't a Re-hashed Gamecube with a new interface. V_V
Heck i might upgrade it to a re-hashed Xbox because the CPU clock speed is similar to the Xbox.
(which is not going to cost $50, contrary to what many of you believe). Yeah youre right, its $60 actualy.
The Wiimote (which is not going to cost $50, contrary to what many of you believe) is something finally new and innovative Yeah youre right. But what else is there....
YamNivek
09-18-2006, 22:14
.
Yeah youre right. But what else is there....
What more do you want the moon on a stick? What other console gives you a whole radically different way of experiencing the games we play. People moan that its the same old game with new controls and I say, yeah and. I cant wait to play the new Madden (im from the UK and hate american football) yet the controls make the game looks fun to play. Try that one in your PS3 vocabulary F U N, its quite rare to hear a PS3 fan talk about it.
well yeah thats just it, whilst i do admit the controls look fun, theres nothing else of a major improvement on the console as a whole.
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 22:18
the wiimote is neither new or innovative.
YamNivek
09-18-2006, 22:20
In the field of console gaming it is. What othe console has a motion sensitive controller that can sense in all 6 axis plus know where it is in 3d space?
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 22:23
In the field of console gaming it is. What othe console has a motion sensitive controller that can sense in all 6 axis plus know where it is in 3d space?
It's still motion sense. They took an idea that has been used since the early 90's (Sony, Logitech, Blaze, Microsoft, etc, etc) and decided to go full on, I wouldn't call it new or innovative.
YamNivek
09-18-2006, 22:28
To the level they are employing it I would. Seeing as the Powerglove was motion sensitive in the late 80's does this mean that those were just reinventing Nintendos ideas. No. The technology was not advanced or sensitive enough to work back then, and it wasnt the main focus of a machine. They were addons that could be bought for a PC, when PC gaming was in its infancy. Its no wonder so few were sold. The technology may not be innovative, but the application and scale are.
This can only work for so long. Untill they run out of ideas on how to use it.
narutoboy
09-18-2006, 22:33
To the level they are employing it I would. Seeing as the Powerglove was motion sensitive in the late 80's does this mean that those were just reinventing Nintendos ideas. No. The technology was not advanced or sensitive enough to work back then, and it wasnt the main focus of a machine. They were addons that could be bought for a PC, when PC gaming was in its infancy. Its no wonder so few were sold. The technology may not be innovative, but the application and scale are.
The power glove was mattells idea not nintendo's. Eh, i'll just agree to disagree on the rest of what you typed.
YamNivek
09-18-2006, 22:35
What is there too disagree with? The tech wasnt advanced enough, they were addons that noone bought because they werent maketered enough in a very youg marketplace.
The idea of motion sensors really isn't new... however, it wasn't perfect. I think it would be considered new... because nintendo literally turned the controller into a remote.
But the ideas such as.. nintendo being new, exciting, et cetera.... those are opinions as far as I can see. It's not the fact that the technology is new.. it really has been there all along.. rather it's a pointer on a lecture screen or a stylus on a PDA. It's the fact they're leaning towards it. That's the only thing that makes the Wii a 'new' system. If there was no new interface.. then you would be buying a slightly modified gamecube.
superjew
09-19-2006, 03:24
Ok people, a lot of you think 250 is too much for wii, but lets look at what your actually geting:
nunchuku attachment $20
wiimote $40
wii sports at least $30
which adds up to $90, so the console it self would only be $160, which is really good considering its 3-4 times as powerful as gamecube, uses 20% less power, and graphics that are often called "a nice looking xbox game". You also get the wii channels like mii, news, photo, weather, and Opera browser, and all are free (exept Opera browser which is free for download until June 07). And dont forget this is new technology that had to be researched and was never used before (at least in gaming, as far as i know)
and as for the controllers, i think its a great deal. First off, the wii mote is only 39.99, and it has new accelorometer and gyro technology, rumble, a speaker, and memory (im not sure how much) to save things like, controller settings, and save miis in them to bring to a friends wii console, so i think thats very reasonabley priced, and why are they saying that cost a lot when the xbox 360 WIRED controller costs 39.99, i think.
as for the nunchuck, well once agan new technology, and im not sure if it rumble but im assuming it does (if it doesnt let me know). And the reason they dont sell them together is because most multiplayer games dont even use the nunchuck attachment, except shooters and sports, and im sure there are people who dont like those games, so why make those people pay $20 extra for something they may never use, and even if they were together, they would still cost $60.
as for the batteries it takes (yea, it does), they last up to 60 hours, so thats pretty good considering ps3's battery is only rechargable so many times (im not sure how much) and since the battery cant be taken out, they have to buy a whole new controller.
As for graphics look at these vids,
Disaster day of crisis (not sure if in game graphics, but still shows wii is powerful)
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=10878&type=wmv&pl=game
Madden
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=13179&type=wmv&pl=game
Call of Duty (yes its real and for wii, just look at way its controlled. cant see the true colour though)
http://www.gametrailers.com/umwatcher.php?id=13761
and for call od duty, near the middle the guy starts talking to someone else, and i guess he getts distracted, but the gun points up and stays like that for a while, but its not because wiimote is "janky" or whatever, and many more videos at gametrailers.com
Tribunal
09-19-2006, 03:41
None of those games look fantastic, being the first one diffenetelly isn't in-game (no other video or screen shot can support the claim that it is).
Maddan still looks bad. But I admit, the animations were fluid, pretty and did alot to bring out the overall presentation of the players.
And call of duty looks like the original Call of Duty 1 for the computer. And I wish they could have a stationary camera FPS game for the wii. Where you move the controller and the camera moves. The thing that all the FPS's are doing now (Metriod, COD, Red Steel) looks awkward. Where the camera and gun control are two totally seperate things.
narutoboy
09-19-2006, 04:01
You made an overall good attempt at trying to prove that the wii's worth it, but the last part about batteries was pathetic and hilarious at the same time. The recheargable batter won't die for years and you can take out and replace them. I think the price is fine, but that's me.
How many times is :2gun:SUPERJEW going to make posts saying the Wii is worth it???
If its what you like, buy it. But it's hard to convince people to buy a Wii if they want a PS3. They are so different.
narutoboy
09-19-2006, 04:30
How many times is :2gun:SUPERJEW going to make posts saying the Wii is worth it???
If its what you like, buy it. But it's hard to convince people to buy a Wii if they want a PS3. They are so different.
He's on a mission he can't win.
I see. It's getting pretty sad.
sevendesigns
09-19-2006, 04:42
You made an overall good attempt at trying to prove that the wii's worth it, but the last part about batteries was pathetic and hilarious at the same time. The recheargable batter won't die for years and you can take out and replace them. I think the price is fine, but that's me.
Not to mention you can plug in the PS3 controller via USB if that was to ever happen.
Delta110
09-19-2006, 04:44
That Call of duty video is horrible. The textures are even worse then the first call of duty. Character animations are worse too and it looks like that one medal of honor game that was released probably 4 years ago?...can't remember the full title. I like that you can use the Wiimote with it, though.
EDIT: Not a flame oriented post. I just love call of duty series and it sucks to see it in that state.
Nyarlathotep
09-19-2006, 04:51
If its what you like, buy it. But it's hard to convince people to buy a Wii if they want a PS3. They are so different.Thats why you don't market the Wii as the system that will kill the 360 and PS3 and return Nintendo to greatness, you market the Wii as an affordable and fun system that has great games.
The worth of the wii will be determine after the launch. Righ now we're just guessing. But i think it's wasteful to try to prove one system is better than the other. It's based on opinion and personal decisions.
Axe&Hammer
09-19-2006, 07:07
so thats pretty good considering ps3's battery is only rechargable so many times (im not sure how much) and since the battery cant be taken out, they have to buy a whole new controller.
Lithium-Ion batteries tend to last a long,the DS uses them,so do you have to buy a new DS every 20 game plays?:roll:
Some of the criticism in here is just pathetic. You go find the worst possible screenshot you can find to prove that Wii has terrible graphics. That Madden one is worse than what the GC could do, so why use it? Low res pictures and videos will not show you anything worthwhile....
If you really want to see why it is obviously more capable than the current gen, look at this video.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=13093
Metroid Prime 3 latest version in a good quality video. It clearly shows a higher quality of graphical prowess than the GC could output. If you cant realise this, you need glasses. The console isnt even out yet, in time its performance will continue to improve further as developers gain more understanding of the hardware.
It wont reach 360, PS3 standard mind you, but to say that its overall potential is no more than the GC is just stupidity. Its only just warming up....
Some of the criticism in here is just pathetic. You go find the worst possible screenshot you can find to prove that Wii has terrible graphics. That Madden one is worse than what the GC could do, so why use it? Low res pictures and videos will not show you anything worthwhile....
If you really want to see why it is obviously more capable than the current gen, look at this video.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=13093
Metroid Prime 3 latest version in a good quality video. It clearly shows a higher quality of graphical prowess than the GC could output. If you cant realise this, you need glasses. The console isnt even out yet, in time its performance will continue to improve further as developers gain more understanding of the hardware.
It wont reach 360, PS3 standard mind you, but to say that its overall potential is no more than the GC is just stupidity. Its only just warming up....
I find it kind of stupid to argue all of this now.. It might just be best to wait for it to come out. So all the people that whine and b*tch about the Wii can see for themselves. Some might even change their mind and end up getting it because.. 2 or 3 years later, there will be a game they will have to get.
What more do you want the moon on a stick? What other console gives you a whole radically different way of experiencing the games we play. People moan that its the same old game with new controls and I say, yeah and. I cant wait to play the new Madden (im from the UK and hate american football) yet the controls make the game looks fun to play. Try that one in your PS3 vocabulary F U N, its quite rare to hear a PS3 fan talk about it.
So because there's a new type of controller instantly makes a game more fun?
Try convincing me with Metroid Prime Corruption, so far with all the vids i've seen i could have just as much fun (and less pratting and waving around) with the gamecube controller.
Same with Zelda oooo the games ten times more fun because i'm waving the controller around.
I'm sckeptical because of the DS yes it has a new interface but the best games i've played on the DS could easily be done on the PSP's interface except Nintendogs.
I find the Eye-toy fun but if it was the standard with every game i wouldn't bother.
Appolyons
09-19-2006, 14:33
Steroyd I somewhat agree with you there and I am sure many others do as well in the world. There are people like me looking foward to the Nintendo Wii as well as its new concepts but at the same time I can see where you are coming from. I think Nintendo was trying to appeal to the gamer but will probably have more success with the younger population. The more lifelike a game is to a kid, the more they will enjoy it. It draws them in, forces them to play and ultimately spend mom's/dad's money. I dont want to make a definate statement either way until it comes out as to whether or not it will be fun but I am sure kids will love it.
pendinginsanity
09-19-2006, 15:00
I stay by my statement. When I see a Wii game that truely surpass Resident Evil 4 then I'll agree that it's indeed stronger.
MP3 looks pretty flawed imo, the enemies are flying balls, not really impressive, and look at the weapon model, just a pipish gun.
I have been considering getting a Wii for a fair amount of time, since the news of the ps3 delay infact (this in itself says something about the system already). I have had a serious look into the Wii and honestly have a mixed bag of emotions, I can honestly say my opinoins are unbiased:
The Wii is more expensive than I had hoped, the controllers are expensive, I feel nintendo are slightly employing microsoft buy add on later tactic.
It's release date should have been earlier, much earlier infact, but atleast I know they won't be running out with the amount the have available at launch.
The controller- a gimmick, yes but it is a gimmick with thought behind it. While I hear everyone syaing it's not new or innotiative I partially agree but at the end of the day it's different you cannot argue this. Weather it will add to the gameplay, only time will tell.
Graphics, this has been my biggest gripe, while nearly go over the top with how rubbish they are... until you see the games running on a clear screen at a good resolution you'd realise there not that bad but in saying that I think they are barely better than the xbox's. But hey if developers can utilize it's poloygon per object count I think we may get a few suprises here and there.
3rd Party Support, alott of developers seem atleast curious about this next gen which in no way shape or form is a bad thing.
It has a has a few killer apps and a alott of games with potential within it's first four months of launch. I don't even think the ps3 has such a strong line up for it's first quater.
Multimedia feature, yeah you may have to pay to surf the web, but the fact is did you even expect to be surfing the web on the Wii I know I sure didn't. The channels feature seems a nice little bonus to add on to my whole gaming experience.
While it may not be the full blown cinematic ps3 1080p 5.1 surround sound, it will do until March for me. Hey it may even surprise the **** out of me and I may not even want a ps3 anymore (I doubt it but ya never know).
Appolyons
09-19-2006, 15:23
Trying not to sound ignorant but its only 250 dollars, its worth that for the key games. Whether or not it has the power to surpass Resident Evil 4, which I really hope it does...get the PS3 anyway...forgoing your PS3 for this Wii is not wise.
pendinginsanity
09-19-2006, 15:25
Trying not to sound ignorant but its only 250 dollars, its worth that for the key games. Whether or not it has the power to surpass Resident Evil 4, which I really hope it does...get the PS3 anyway...forgoing your PS3 for this Wii is not wise.
I was just stating the fact that the graphics haven't impressed me.
The mere facts is that I'll get this console once RE is released on it.
DangerDog
09-19-2006, 15:52
Trying not to sound ignorant but its only 250 dollars, its worth that for the key games. Whether or not it has the power to surpass Resident Evil 4, which I really hope it does...get the PS3 anyway...forgoing your PS3 for this Wii is not wise.
I think there's no doubt the Wii will surpass the even the Xbox 1 on visuals by the end of it's lifespan.
Appolyons
09-19-2006, 15:55
Pending, I ment that more towards Dossages post, not yours. I was just giving him my 2 cents worth.
Here you go Jabs, this is what I found. The Wii specs are from a developer
leak. So no, its not "official" but judge for yourself.
Well they are slightly more detailed but not the official ones yet, 99% true probably but I can hope for a little extra grunt. ;) Thanks anyway.
'The Opposition', thanks for that picture montage you have really reminded me why it is worth every penny and what we are really saving for, you should include SSM in there just for good taste. ;)
Steroyd I somewhat agree with you there and I am sure many others do as well in the world. There are people like me looking foward to the Nintendo Wii as well as its new concepts but at the same time I can see where you are coming from. I think Nintendo was trying to appeal to the gamer but will probably have more success with the younger population. The more lifelike a game is to a kid, the more they will enjoy it. It draws them in, forces them to play and ultimately spend mom's/dad's money. I dont want to make a definate statement either way until it comes out as to whether or not it will be fun but I am sure kids will love it.
that my friend is dependant on the game, for exmple while the controller is easily accessible to anyone, like heck can they get through a more complex game like Metroid Prime or Zelda on their own (well... with a lot of trial and error...)
Saying that stick a game like Mario Kart, Super Smash Brothers, or Mario Party and the whole family can enjoy.
Having new easy and accessible interface isn't going to instantly make every game easy and accessible for everyone, i hope Nintendo don't have this track of thought because that's one of the pitfalls I fear for the little console.
Appolyons
09-19-2006, 16:07
Ah I'm not trying to get specifics here. Long story short, a younger player wont get into all the nitty gritty we talk about here which in the end is good for the little consol of the Wii.
btw, just looking at the wii channels, what is mii
pendinginsanity
09-19-2006, 16:25
I think there's no doubt the Wii will surpass the even the Xbox 1 on visuals by the end of it's lifespan.
And that's what saddens me really, a Next-Gen console that barely surpass last gen consoles.
And that's what saddens me really, a Next-Gen console that barely surpass last gen consoles.
Why are you so doubtful? It WILL surpass last gen consoles by a clear margin, probably sooner than you think. All you are seeing now are the first wave of games which are still not even finished yet. Wait until the 2nd wave for a more excessive improvement in output.
Appolyons
09-19-2006, 16:32
Will Mario Galaxy be ready at launch? For some reason I think I heard it wouldnt be but I'm not too sure on that.
I think most Wii games shown so far were made on Gamecube hardware right? Anyway, if the Wii is able to make games look like RE4, RE Remake (or obviously better) than that's more than enough for me.
Will Mario Galaxy be ready at launch? For some reason I think I heard it wouldnt be but I'm not too sure on that.
Nope, Mario will not make launch last time I heard.
toontoonizer
09-19-2006, 18:33
You know, i was thinking..in a game like red steel...from the looks of the gameplay videos i have seen, in order to get decent accuracy u would have to hold ur hand out, extending your arm. Now take ur mobile fone in one hand and extend that arm..see how long you can hold it out without it hurting. And this is without the continous moving you would have to do if you were playing such a game. Hell by the time i get to the second stage in time crisis arcades my arm begins to feel it. I think for some games the Wii controller will be painful more than anything.
StrangeSushi
09-19-2006, 23:19
Will Mario Galaxy be ready at launch? For some reason I think I heard it wouldnt be but I'm not too sure on that.
Mario Galaxy should be available between 3-6 months of launch.
I came onto this site by accident and came across multiple posts saying that the Wii is a just a rehashed/overclocked/upgraded Gamecube
Let Me clear this up:
It's NOT Just a Reharshed GCN
First off in terms of Graphics and power the Wii is more powerful than the Xbox (which was like 2.5 times more powerful than the GC) though not as powerful as the 360, plus it also has the USB slots with GC didn't have, an SD card slot and has built in Wi-Fi. but the main reason why it's not is obviously cause of it's controllers, it allows the player to move the controller in a full 3D environment whilst the PS3 controller only provides basic tilting and bouncing, (nowhere near as sofisticated as the Wii)
The Reason why PS3 and 360 needs so much power is because it uses HD which means that playing HD games on a SD TV on graphics only would be identical to that of the Wii.
Now I'm also not saying the PS3 is an upgraded PS2 either, mainly because of it's Blu-Ray space, HDMI and cell,
360 well....
Also you cannot Judge a console on it's graphics and Power alone, If you judged Consoles on graphics and Power capabilities why are you a PS2 fanboy (I say this cause PS3 is not out yet).
Now I'm not bashing the PS3, or the Wii (360 well uhh...)
But I want you guys to be a little open minded, Don't Judge a console on Graphics and Power alone, (if you do you're a Xbox fanboy)
Thanks, I really needed a good laugh.
Appolyons
09-29-2006, 03:18
How old is this thread? Thought we laid it to rest a while ago.
Stoffinator
10-01-2006, 05:36
Ignorance is bliss to some, I guess....
Look at this then.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?type=wmv&id=13093
See how far Metroid Prime 3 has come along. If you cant tell that this is BEYOND current gen standard, you seriously need your eyes testing.
Now that is what Nintendo needs to be showing. That (if it is the Wii?) looks like a next gen Nintendo game. But still not along the lines of PS3 or 360..although its not suppose too. Nintendo has always been Nintendo, which is what some people like while others hate it. But I think because you see 3rd parties supporting the Wii is a sign that Nintendo is changing their attitude some.
It would be great to have a merger of both Nintendo and Sony: high end hardware/ diverse software from Sony and "joyful" software/innovative hardware from Nintendo. You get the best of both worlds (Japans anyway).
Appolyons
10-01-2006, 05:58
Antyings possible but I also see Sony falling out of the gaming scene in the future. Dont ask me why, just a feeling.
Only if MS plays sneaky:mrgreen: that is otherwise PS3 has a lot going for it in terms of "future pfff" crap.
Crazy Phat
10-01-2006, 08:10
It is funny how the negative press is coming for the Wii so close to it's launch. The 360 recieved, the PS3 recieved before TGS, and the Wii's hype was through the stratosphere before the recent announcements. I thought it would not get it's fairshare of negative press or atleast bashing, but it seems like it is starting.
I knew something like this would happen. Every console has problems, and do not always reach the ambitious or unrealistic plans the company laid out. All of the consoles this gen has strengths and weaknessess.
Knuckles126
10-01-2006, 18:00
Nintendo needs to quit the console race and just stick with their hand helds...
The majority of gamers are interested in the 360 and PS2...not the Wii.
Appolyons
10-01-2006, 18:02
Ah knuck's shame to hear you say that man. I usually agree with you on most threads...not this one however.
Nintendo needs to quit the console race and just stick with their hand helds...
The majority of gamers are interested in the 360 and PS2...not the Wii.
...And your point is? Nintendo is a business, as long as they make a profit in the console market (Which they do) why would they drop out of it? That makes no sense. Also, wether you like it or not, Wii is still anticipated by many. Even if it doesn't sell too well, it will probably still outsell Gamecube.
...And your point is? Nintendo is a business, as long as they make a profit in the console market (Which they do) why would they drop out of it? That makes no sense. Also, wether you like it or not, Wii is still anticipated by many. Even if it doesn't sell too well, it will probably still outsell Gamecube.
I agree. The wii has alot more potential buyers then the GC ever did and I expect it do well. I said it time and time again, for nintendo to do well, they would have to allow more third parties to work on their console. The benefits seem ot be working already.
If they went the GC route, I wouldn't be optimistic at all. Nintendo has learned from their DS side of the business, that not everyone likes their first party games :)
Nintendo needs to quit the console race and just stick with their hand helds...
The majority of gamers are interested in the 360 and PS2...not the Wii.
I wonder where people come up with these things.
I agree. The wii has alot more potential buyers then the GC ever did and I expect it do well. I said it time and time again, for nintendo to do well, they would have to allow more third parties to work on their console. The benefits seem ot be working already.
If they went the GC route, I wouldn't be optimistic at all. Nintendo has learned from their DS side of the business, that not everyone likes their first party games :)
I completely agree with you. They need to stop relying on their 1st party games as system sellers and bring diversity (3rd party developers) into the mix in order to make it a viable console in the gaming market.
I wonder where people come up with these things.
I just chalk it up to the crack addictions people have on here. LOL
I'm not going to comment on this. Its been rehashed over and over. I'll just offend someone. LOL. I usually do.
Well....maybe I will......
I just wanna know what these naysayers will do when they come to the next generation of consoles. Wii tech combinded wiht the PS3/360 muscle. I think that just might change their tune. But then again, it would be a funny "what-if" if Nintendo did have all the stuff for the Wii and just introduceing the Wiimote.. I'm sure all this unintelligent babble about how "horrible" Nintendo is would not be so vile as it is in this forum. Hyprocrits
YamNivek
10-01-2006, 20:36
...And your point is? Nintendo is a business, as long as they make a profit in the console market (Which they do) why would they drop out of it? That makes no sense. Also, wether you like it or not, Wii is still anticipated by many. Even if it doesn't sell too well, it will probably still outsell Gamecube.
I have a feeling itll sell extremely well. I went to put £20 down on a pre order yesterday and I asked how many were on the list before me and 75 people had already preordered the Wii, and thats just one of two GAME shops in Portsmouth. Not sure how many were in the other one. And advertising hasnt even begun yet. Theres no way im getting one until after xmas.
Nintendo needs to quit the console race and just stick with their hand helds...
The majority of gamers are interested in the 360 and PS2...not the Wii.
You live in a small world...so few people in Japan care about 360 its not even funny...the Wii is going to walk all over in Japan(Heck the Game Boy Mirco is out selling the 360) As for America(the big place were 360 has a bigger market) it still not a clear cut winner, I'd put money on the Wii outselling the 360 worldwide
Mr. Solanky
10-01-2006, 23:21
I agree with Zap2. Nintendo still makes a lot of money. They have a lot of stuff that they sell, and you may not realize it, but it adds up.
But on with the arguement at hand. The Nintendo wii isn't just a rehashed GameCube. The most obvious reason would be the Wiimote, but graphically it is a lot stronger then the Nintendo GameCube.
Take a look:
Super Mario Sunshine: http://media.cube.ign.com/media/016/016713/img_1569699.html
Super Mario Galaxy: http://media.wii.ign.com/media/748/748588/img_3914316.html
Super Mario Galaxy looks a lot better then Super Mario Sunshine. I will agree that some games like Far Cry and Call of Duty 3 look like GameCube games, but then look at Red Steel and Metroid Prime 3
Eh... I don't know about that. I think Mario Galaxy does indeed look like a GameCube game, and after watching some Metroid Prime 3, I'm not sure I'm seeing something that couldn't be done on a GC. But as long as developers are committed to the platform, I may yet see those 360-like graphics I was sure I'd be seeing.
*crosses fingers*
Mr. Solanky
10-01-2006, 23:39
The Wii won't be able to do 360, but it may be able to pull of something close to it. As long as the games look like Resident Evil 4, I'm good.
Knuckles126
10-01-2006, 23:44
You live in a small world...so few people in Japan care about 360 its not even funny...the Wii is going to walk all over in Japan(Heck the Game Boy Mirco is out selling the 360) As for America(the big place were 360 has a bigger market) it still not a clear cut winner, I'd put money on the Wii outselling the 360 worldwide
*sigh*...sure, the Wii will do great in Japan, but im sure it will suck balls in America and Europe.
They do great with their hand helds, but look at the gamecube...3rd place last generation, and I don't expect that to change this generation just because they came up with the "wii-mote" lol...
Try showing a casual gamer Gears of War and then show them Mario Galaxy...I wonder which game he will be more impressed by...or maybe we should show him the Wii version of COD3, the game that makes PS2 graphics look next-gen.
Stoffinator
10-01-2006, 23:47
*sigh*...sure, the Wii will do great in Japan, but im sure it will suck balls in America and Europe.
They do great with their hand helds, but look at the gamecube...3rd place last generation, and I don't expect that to change this generation just because they came up with the "wii-mote" lol...
Well it was pretty close between Xbox and GameCube this generation. GC I think sold 18million and Xbox did like 21million (give or take on both). So it wasn't like the GC was completely outed by PS2 and Xbox (just PS2 for the most part).
But I agree with you that they should focus on handhelds and not worry about game systems. But I don't see Nintendo ever doing that.
*sigh*...sure, the Wii will do great in Japan, but im sure it will suck balls in America and Europe.
They do great with their hand helds, but look at the gamecube...3rd place last generation, and I don't expect that to change this generation just because they came up with the "wii-mote" lol...
I disagree. You are overlooking the fact Nintendo is applying the DS forumla with the Wii(appeal to as many ppl as possible and profit), that is why there is so much interest for it atm.
Ulitmately though, it really depends on how third parties implement the controller. If they can't do it well like nintendo first party games will, the main draw for the console for other gamers will not be there. The DS is a differnt story, because the styuls really isn't a controversial remote. You can do with or without it, and it's fairly easy to use.
Knuckles126
10-01-2006, 23:51
I disagree. You are overlooking the fact Nintendo is applying the DS forumla with the Wii(appeal to as many ppl as possible and profit), that is why there is so much interest for it atm.
Ulitmately though, it really depends on how third parties implement the controller. If they can't do it well like nintendo first party games will, the main draw for the console for other gamers will not be there. The DS is a differnt story, because the styuls really isn't a controversial remote. You can do with or without it, and it's fairly easy to use.
....and thats why everyone is talking about it as a "to go with my 360/PS3-console"? People want something new...they are tired of Mario, they have been playing it for more than 10 years now.
Mr. Solanky
10-01-2006, 23:54
So far, All of the 3rd party looks very interested in trying new ways to use the Wii-mote. Hopefully the 3rd party keeps on coming in. Nintendo needs to make a profit with the launch, and then hopefull the 3rd party comes in.
The Wii won't be able to do 360, but it may be able to pull of something close to it. As long as the games look like Resident Evil 4, I'm good.
Well... I had early on assumed that the Wii was five times as powerful as the GameCube. I'm hoping that it's at least three times that! Surely the Wii will be able to do RE4 graphics without breaking a sweat. The shots of Red Steel look promising for the future. I hope developers are up on the potential.
Mr. Solanky
10-02-2006, 02:12
Looking at Resident Evil 4 makes me happy. That game has amazing graphics, and if everyone game looked like that or 2x better, I'll be amazingly happy.
Appolyons
10-02-2006, 02:13
Hamburgers make me happy. If it was fully loaded...dude I'd be super duper happy.
pendinginsanity
10-02-2006, 02:16
Try showing a casual gamer Gears of War and then show them Mario Galaxy...I wonder which game he will be more impressed by...or maybe we should show him the Wii version of COD3, the game that makes PS2 graphics look next-gen.
Give this man a cookie, you nailed that bitch.
Try showing a casual gamer Gears of War and then show them Mario Galaxy...I wonder which game he will be more impressed by...
Those two games can not be compared in any way. They have completely different styles. Mario Galaxy is going for a cartoonish look, while GeoW is aiming to be as realistic as possible. I'm not trying to say Wii games will reach that level, because they won't, but at least pick two games that are actually similar if you are going to try and make a comparison.
SolidSnakeUS
10-02-2006, 19:53
Seriously, why is everybody trying to compare the graphics between the systems? I feel if anyone is trying to compare something between the systems, is the library and the creativity. Like I can say (I cannot believe I'm going to comment positively about the XBox) that the Xbox has a creative and more worthwhile online experience than the PS2, but the best has the better library, in size and in how many amazing games are within it.
Legend 69
10-02-2006, 20:06
Those two games can not be compared in any way. They have completely different styles. Mario Galaxy is going for a cartoonish look, while GeoW is aiming to be as realistic as possible. I'm not trying to say Wii games will reach that level, because they won't, but at least pick two games that are actually similar if you are going to try and make a comparison.
Gears Of War and Red Steel then
Although the controller is intersting, I think when they're going for this its not all about the graphics, although casual gamers will be more interested in graphics.
cx1(dcfan)
10-02-2006, 20:52
Having played both Mario Galaxy and Gears of War, im not really sure which one is more impressive. And honestly if you let a casual gamer play both mario galaxy and gears of war and ask him or her which is more impressive, I dont think the answers would be as lopsided as some of you may think.
It is also unfair to compare Gears of War to CoD3/red steel, since GoW is what a 2nd or 3rd gen title for the xbox 360. Why not compare CoD2 for the 360 to CoD 3 or RS, play both and see which one is more fun? Honestly the mario galaxy - gears of war comparason is ok since both are the most polished games for either system, but the comparason has to be done by playing both not just checking visuals.
Factor 5 thinks the wii is rehashed... <br />
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sorry to bring it up, just seen it now lol
I agree with you 100% man. It's about time someone came out and said this. Hell, I am getting Wii anyway, no matter what people say about it. Rep power earned dude.
ur right fanboyism is stupid. stewie griffin is cool. wii will not win though it is a gamecube DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
....and thats why everyone is talking about it as a "to go with my 360/PS3-console"? People want something new...they are tired of Mario, they have been playing it for more than 10 years now.
actually it has been 20 years. sonic is way cooler anyway
Nintendo needs to quit the console race and just stick with their hand helds...
The majority of gamers are interested in the 360 and PS2...not the Wii.
i think u mean ps3(why its gaystation 3) ps2 is on the way out dude
Mr. Solanky
10-04-2006, 00:14
I don't see what the fuss is. If you think it's a rehashed Gamecube, that's fine. There is no use to argue about it. Spec wise it's may be simillar, but it's the gaming experience that is new, so gameplay wise it is not rehashed. Just stick by your opinion. There is no reason to have a verbal war about a video game console. :)
....and thats why everyone is talking about it as a "to go with my 360/PS3-console"? People want something new...they are tired of Mario, they have been playing it for more than 10 years now.
Knuckles, you are fighting for a lost cause. Had Microsoft or Sony released a rehashed console with a nunchuck, there would be rioting in the streets.
Some people will do, or say anything to support the underdog simply because they are the underdog, and it makes them feel unique in a conformist world. I say Nintendo deserves to be the underdog, and will continue to be so until they switch up their attitude towards gaming.
Knuckles, you are fighting for a lost cause. Had Microsoft or Sony released a rehashed console with a nunchuck, there would be rioting in the streets.
Some people will do, or say anything to support the underdog simply because they are the underdog, and it makes them feel unique in a conformist world. I say Nintendo deserves to be the underdog, and will continue to be so until they switch up their attitude towards gaming.
Uh, not really. I don't know about everyone else here, but I don't like Nintendo because they're the "underdog", hell I like Sony so you can never say I root for the underdog. I like and always have liked Nintendo for their games, this may only be my opinion, but that's the way it is. Maybe your theory is correct for others, but you can't group everyone like that just because you don't feel the same way about Nintendo that we do.
Uh, not really. I don't know about everyone else here, but I don't like Nintendo because they're the "underdog", hell I like Sony so you can never say I root for the underdog. I like and always have liked Nintendo for their games, this may only be my opinion, but that's the way it is. Maybe your theory is correct for others, but you can't group everyone like that just because you don't feel the same way about Nintendo that we do.
Maybe you should take a better look at what I said, and realize I said SOME.
RIGOR_MORTIS
10-05-2006, 02:40
The original post is one of the most typical "more stupid" posts I've ever seen. You obviously hate Microsoft. (OK, we get it) Wii is VERY underpowered, and it shows in the games. It NEEDS to look better or the mainstream won't go for it. Nintendo fanboys like you will get it, but that won't make it even come close to 2nd in this console "war". Oh wait, the Wii doesn't compete with these machines because of how Nintendo is marketing it... Give me a break. I'll give this thing a chance, but fact is for me is that it's UNDERPOWERED and the controller is a gimmik that will wear thin in 6 months. Enjoy your closed minded last-gen maybe 480p... maybe widescreen gaming with the hand widgets...
Thats why the Wii isn't a next-gen console like the ps3 or xbox. Its a NEW-Gen console. It might be underpowered in the numbers area, but what it does produce will be awsome. Note, Zelda.
Its funny that all that anyone on here can scream about its its graphics and horsepower. While at the same time, ignoreing what is original and new with the console. And yet, even still......will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless. Good logic there. Just wait till you see what Ninty will come out with next. It will have all the "horsepower" you will want and have an even better Wiimote.
Then we will see what the naysayers and biased ass''s say then. Hmmm......?
RIGOR_MORTIS
10-05-2006, 02:55
Thats why the Wii isn't a next-gen console like the ps3 or xbox. Its a NEW-Gen console. It might be underpowered in the numbers area, but what it does produce will be awsome. Note, Zelda.
Its funny that all that anyone on here can scream about its its graphics and horsepower. While at the same time, ignoreing what is original and new with the console. And yet, even still......will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless. Good logic there. Just wait till you see what Ninty will come out with next. It will have all the "horsepower" you will want and have an even better Wiimote.
Then we will see what the naysayers and biased ass''s say then. Hmmm......?
Kind of my point... We'll have to wait for Nitendo's Next..Next.. gen.. to be like this ones. Derr....
But that basicaly means that your a graphics/horsepower whore. Niether of those things make good games. They help to make good games, but they are not nessessary. Thats something that always seems to be forgotten with you people.
Because since it seems that you agree with me on my last post, that means with the next new-gen console ninty makes then you have nothing to complain about anyway. I'm sure the Wii mote will go from gimmick to the best 3d device for a console. Hypocrites
Mr. Solanky
10-05-2006, 03:02
To tell you the truth, graphically the Nintendo Wii is basically a beefed up GameCube. Miyamoto said it himself:
As Miyamoto himself recently told GameBrink.com, "The [Wii] hardware is basically a GC. We've upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they're more fun to play." (emphasis added).
http://gear.ign.com/articles/737/737283p1.html
Check the bottom, he says it.
But gameplay wise, the Wii is a whole new thing. And the Nintendo Wii isn't 100% GC, it has better graphics. If they can pump out Resident Evil 4 graphics for every title, I don't think I'll be mad.
Knuckles126
10-05-2006, 06:20
Zelda? Twilight Princess looks like crap graphically...I don't understand what you all see in that game. I see a GC game.
Either way, I think it is a desperate attempt by Nintendo to just *stay* in the console marketing business. Sooner or later, I bet they will drop out and do just handhelds...but im sure thats a good 10 years away.
lordmadjack
10-05-2006, 09:30
Me either Solanky, but thus far if thats there goal, they have a long way to go...COME ON NINTENDO :D
cx1(dcfan)
10-05-2006, 10:06
Zelda? Twilight Princess looks like crap graphically...I don't understand what you all see in that game. I see a GC game.
Either way, I think it is a desperate attempt by Nintendo to just *stay* in the console marketing business. Sooner or later, I bet they will drop out and do just handhelds...but im sure thats a good 10 years away.
tp looks like crap? Either you have no eyes, or no monitor, one of the two possibly both. It is going to end up being one of the best looking games of this last generation when it is released. The wii version is just a port with wii controls and a slight graphical boost (the studio was specifically told not to beef the game up graphics wise and instead spend their time on controller implementing and bug testing for the wii release). It is pretty much universally regarded as an amazing looking game.
I also would not get your hopes up for nintendo going handheld only in 10 years. Every console they produce is a business success, they will be in this business forever. It is much more likely that sony or microsoft will bow out before nintendo given the fact that Microsoft has done nothing but lose money since they entered console gaming, Sony's game division isnt in as good of shape as it has been these days either.
Most people who say that nintendo will either a.) sell their IPs to company x/y or b.) stop making consoles, have absolutely no understanding of the realities of the videogame industry or the three companies.
btw, being a huge sega fan you should know how painful it is for me to disagree with someone named knuckles. Why are you doing this to me?
According to Miyamoto it is... Unlucky.
narutoboy
10-05-2006, 13:59
Thats why the Wii isn't a next-gen console like the ps3 or xbox. Its a NEW-Gen console. It might be underpowered in the numbers area, but what it does produce will be awsome. Note, Zelda.
Its funny that all that anyone on here can scream about its its graphics and horsepower. While at the same time, ignoreing what is original and new with the console. And yet, even still......will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless. Good logic there. Just wait till you see what Ninty will come out with next. It will have all the "horsepower" you will want and have an even better Wiimote.
Then we will see what the naysayers and biased ass''s say then. Hmmm......?
*shame* You were actually making a decent point till you said this "will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless". The last part doesn't make any good sense. All the nintendo fans like to talk about, is how Nintendo doesn't focus on power, yet somehow you think their next one's going to?
Thats why the Wii isn't a next-gen console like the ps3 or xbox. Its a NEW-Gen console. It might be underpowered in the numbers area, but what it does produce will be awsome. Note, Zelda.
Its funny that all that anyone on here can scream about its its graphics and horsepower. While at the same time, ignoreing what is original and new with the console. And yet, even still......will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless. Good logic there. Just wait till you see what Ninty will come out with next. It will have all the "horsepower" you will want and have an even better Wiimote.
Then we will see what the naysayers and biased ass''s say then. Hmmm......?
I think it's equally funny the only thing Nintendo fans can scream about is Zelda, Mario and Metroid.
What's original about a enhanced gamecube? All the "horsepower" and a better Wiimote? Where are you pulling this nonsense from? Wow.
Nintendo has been the definition of stagnant for over 10 years now. Re-releasing the Gamecube with a power boost doesn't do much to change that image, I'm sorry.
sevendesigns
10-05-2006, 18:58
I love how it's a ''con'' now that both the PS3 and the Xbox360 don't have something similar to a Wiimote. Am I the only one who sees this in most posts defending the Wii?
Sorry Bob, but I want my main console to have the ''graphics and horsepower''.
*note I said ''main console'' as i'll own the Wii at some point (already own xbox360)*
justintheman99
10-05-2006, 20:08
It is obvious the Wii is the weakest of the three. However, it does offer something unique and different. I will still buy one based on the fun factor I will recieve from it playing some good games.
Its funny that all that anyone on here can scream about its its graphics and horsepower. While at the same time, ignoreing what is original and new with the console. And yet, even still......will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless. Good logic there. Just wait till you see what Ninty will come out with next. It will have all the "horsepower" you will want and have an even better Wiimote. Then we will see what the naysayers and biased ass''s say then. Hmmm......?
Graphics aren't the most important thing, but they do matter. Another thing that does matter is having a next gen playing experience. If the developers can't give us a big game with lots to do and explore, I'm going to be disappointed. And saying "Well, but Ninty's NEXT console will be a monster!" is practically admitting that the Wii is nothing but a beefy GameCube with a new controller. Which I'm still not enthused about.
One more thing. Even on my SDTV, I could see the shortcomings in DVD content, and digital cable was even worse. I've been ready for next gen graphics for years, even before getting an HDTV. So even if I STILL HAD an SDTV, I'd be buying a PS3, and I'd still see a huge difference over my PS2, GameCube and XBox. Some of you people just take cliches and don't try to find out whether they're valid or not.
I should reiterate that I'm getting a Wii too, but it's going to have to wait its turn. I'm still enjoying my Cube, and it's just not blown away by the Wii.
Knuckles126
10-05-2006, 20:22
tp looks like crap? Either you have no eyes, or no monitor, one of the two possibly both. It is going to end up being one of the best looking games of this last generation when it is released. The wii version is just a port with wii controls and a slight graphical boost (the studio was specifically told not to beef the game up graphics wise and instead spend their time on controller implementing and bug testing for the wii release). It is pretty much universally regarded as an amazing looking game.
I also would not get your hopes up for nintendo going handheld only in 10 years. Every console they produce is a business success, they will be in this business forever. It is much more likely that sony or microsoft will bow out before nintendo given the fact that Microsoft has done nothing but lose money since they entered console gaming, Sony's game division isnt in as good of shape as it has been these days either.
Most people who say that nintendo will either a.) sell their IPs to company x/y or b.) stop making consoles, have absolutely no understanding of the realities of the videogame industry or the three companies.
btw, being a huge sega fan you should know how painful it is for me to disagree with someone named knuckles. Why are you doing this to me?
So coming in dead last almost every generation is a success? Hmm...interesting logic you have.
To put it bluntly, PS3 and 360 is where it's at, and thats where all the attention is, for good reasons. Releasing an "enhanced" gamecube isn't going to save Nintendo, they simply aren't willing to get with the times. Like I said, people are tired of Mario...and they have a right to be, as they have been playing it for over 20 years! The same could be said for Metroid and Zelda, don't you think it's time for a change? Nintendo apparently doesn't, and that is why they came in dead 3rd last generation, and that is why history will repeat itself this generation.
Anyone who thinks Nintendo is going to magically gain a large percentage of fans just because of the "wii-mote", seriously needs to look at this from a bigger perspective. The wii-mote would have been cool in the early 90's, but today, people want new GAME experiences. Xbox 360 and PS3 bring that to the table with amazing hardware that excites developers and consumers alike. When you buy a next-generation console, you get just that. However, when you buy a Nintendo Wii, you get another Mario/Metroid/Zelda game. Thats exactly how it plays out.
Nintendo refuses to give up it's "kiddy" image, and that is exaclty what is hurting them. Consumers see this, and when they look at a Nintendo product, thats exaclty what they think---kid, as in child, as in not for adults. The name "Wii" alone hurts the console tremendously. How many adults (18-35) are going to want to buy a Wii? It's literally embarassing to own one of these consoles, let alone mention it in public. The "Revolution" sounded really unoriginal, but it also sounded cool. They should have stuck with that. So, while all your buddies are talking about their Xbox 360's and PS3's, and they ask you what you got, and you have to say I got a Wii.....uh...yeah...you get the point. (crickets chirping---big laugh)
Therefore, I conclude that Nintendo has some serious work to do if they ever want to regain their lost fanbase. Until that time, Sony and Microsoft will dominate the gaming industry.
What Knuckles said. Sort of. I mean, lookit. The Wii will have some great games. Being a GameCube owner, I don't doubt that better than Resident Evil 4 stuff is coming. But at the same time, the 360 has games like Bioshock, Forza 2, Lost Planet and Lost Odyssey coming which offer a rather cimematic experience. And the PS3 will have games like Resistance, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Gran Turismo HD, Devil May Cry 4, Virtua Fighter 5, Metal Gear Solid 4, White Knight which will make you feel like you're controlling a movie.
I'm afraid that the Wii experience may be a bit too wee in comparison. ;) So let the developers know that you'll buy the games if they make them good, not just GameCube games with nunchuk support.
So coming in dead last almost every generation is a success? Hmm...interesting logic you have.
To put it bluntly, PS3 and 360 is where it's at, and thats where all the attention is, for good reasons. Releasing an "enhanced" gamecube isn't going to save Nintendo, they simply aren't willing to get with the times. Like I said, people are tired of Mario...and they have a right to be, as they have been playing it for over 20 years! The same could be said for Metroid and Zelda, don't you think it's time for a change? Nintendo apparently doesn't, and that is why they came in dead 3rd last generation, and that is why history will repeat itself this generation.
Anyone who thinks Nintendo is going to magically gain a large percentage of fans just because of the "wii-mote", seriously needs to look at this from a bigger perspective. The wii-mote would have been cool in the early 90's, but today, people want new GAME experiences. Xbox 360 and PS3 bring that to the table with amazing hardware that excites developers and consumers alike. When you buy a next-generation console, you get just that. However, when you buy a Nintendo Wii, you get another Mario/Metroid/Zelda game. Thats exactly how it plays out.
Nintendo refuses to give up it's "kiddy" image, and that is exaclty what is hurting them. Consumers see this, and when they look at a Nintendo product, thats exaclty what they think---kid, as in child, as in not for adults. The name "Wii" alone hurts the console tremendously. How many adults (18-35) are going to want to buy a Wii? It's literally embarassing to own one of these consoles, let alone mention it in public. The "Revolution" sounded really unoriginal, but it also sounded cool. They should have stuck with that. So, while all your buddies are talking about their Xbox 360's and PS3's, and they ask you what you got, and you have to say I got a Wii.....uh...yeah...you get the point. (crickets chirping---big laugh)
Therefore, I conclude that Nintendo has some serious work to do if they ever want to regain their lost fanbase. Until that time, Sony and Microsoft will dominate the gaming industry.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
chopchopyep
10-05-2006, 21:13
Nintendo refuses to give up it's "kiddy" image, and that is exaclty what is hurting them.
Hurting them?
They sold over 1.5 million Pokemon Diamond & Pearl(NDS) in just a week in Japan(came out 28th of september).
If anything, the kiddie games are keeping them alive.
narutoboy
10-05-2006, 21:17
Hurting them?
They sold over 1.5 million Pokemon Diamond & Pearl(NDS) in just a week in Japan(came out 28th of september).
If anything, the kiddie games are keeping them alive.
In the portable market. They've proven that those type of games work well in the portable market, but it hasn't gotten through their heads that the same philosophy does work both ways.
All the "horsepower" and a better Wiimote? Where are you pulling this nonsense from? Wow.
All the nintendo fans like to talk about, is how Nintendo doesn't focus on power, yet somehow you think their next one's going to?
Because Nintendo has stated, I'll try and get the interview link, that their next console will have what you call today Next-gen graphics and better. And when "better" is stated, its the possibility of what new tech will bring in the forcomming years, tech enhances itselfs fast in these day and ages. Wii is just beginning.
As for a better Wiimote. Well thats only a logical thing to do. They are starting a whole new way being more in tune with your video game. Isn't VR of some sort going to have to have something like this simmilar, since you can't walk around everywhere.
***dream mode****
If there were cheap and good Vizors out there. I mean, you put it on and it almost replacates real life. How would you move and interact with other than the ability to move your head and look around. Would not the Wiimote combo be a perfect design? Allowing full 3D movement/interaction without actually having to move more than your hand, fingers and head? But that as it is, is a dream.
***exit dream mode******
Now that being said, is not this new way interacting with a game a logical step forward? Yes we don't have Vizors. We use what we have. So its logical to say that Ninty will improve upon the Wiimote in the next console they produce.
Now that aside, I'm not happy that my games won't have photorealism. I'd like to see better graphics. But I know it will come. Probably before sony or microsoft. Since, business wise, its generally a good thing to make money off your product. ONLY Ninty will do that. That means more development money, better system than what we see now from any company, and hopefully the retakeing of the thrown and crown.
20+ games to enjoy at launch and more to come.....
A "Wii" price that fits my wallet....
To be a part of the next stage of video game evolution....
Priceless
*shame* You were actually making a decent point till you said this "will defend a 600$ purchace, that if you dont' have a HDTV, is worthless". The last part doesn't make any good sense. All the nintendo fans like to talk about, is how Nintendo doesn't focus on power, yet somehow you think their next one's going to?
Ok..your opinion doesn't count because of this comment
"Well, in theory it's actually possible for the Playstation 3 to give power to the entire city of Dallas, Texas. The cell processor has multiple tera flops allowing it to calculate proportional databases, which could be used towards powering Dallas. This city unlike most cities uses a kinetic wave of ultra light diagnostic spherical matter that could access the data structure of the Playstation 3, producing immediate protozoa's that would extend their viles to the fourth sector giving it power. So the Playstation 3 has enough power to do this if Sony were to use it in such a away."?
Anyone who says that is 1) an moron 2) Fanboy 3)both :p
So coming in dead last almost every generation is a success? Hmm...interesting logic you have.
To put it bluntly, PS3 and 360 is where it's at, and thats where all the attention is, for good reasons.
Hell ya... Losing 4 billion dollars is crazy cool!
IMO Nintendo didn't come in last, MS did, they lost money, if they were any other company the would have given up, but MS has SO much money they will more it into the xBox name until someone likes it
Ok by the time the next Nintendo system comes out, graphics are going to be all around great on all systems, and cheap. So nintendo starts to put good graphics in their systems, Sony and MS already have good graphics(so the upgrade from 360 -360 2, and PS3-PS4 won't look as big as the Wii-Wii 2) So Nintendo will have good graphics, and a great controller, while Song and MS has good graphics, maybe even better then Nintendo but by then even low end graphics will be very good, and then Sony and MS need to come up with something new...if they change the controller, it will make things harder to make, but the Wii 2 will feel like it was done right(because they get to learn from any problems with the Wii)
Were do this put Sony and MS for the next-next generation systems?
Knuckles126
10-06-2006, 00:59
Hurting them?
They sold over 1.5 million Pokemon Diamond & Pearl(NDS) in just a week in Japan(came out 28th of september).
If anything, the kiddie games are keeping them alive.
When it comes to handhelds, I agree with you. The DS is doing great, especially in Japan. As far as Nintendo's consoles go, the "kiddie" image is robbing them blind.
Hell ya... Losing 4 billion dollars is crazy cool!
IMO Nintendo didn't come in last, MS did, they lost money, if they were any other company the would have given up, but MS has SO much money they will more it into the xBox name until someone likes it
Ok by the time the next Nintendo system comes out, graphics are going to be all around great on all systems, and cheap. So nintendo starts to put good graphics in their systems, Sony and MS already have good graphics(so the upgrade from 360 -360 2, and PS3-PS4 won't look as big as the Wii-Wii 2) So Nintendo will have good graphics, and a great controller, while Song and MS has good graphics, maybe even better then Nintendo but by then even low end graphics will be very good, and then Sony and MS need to come up with something new...if they change the controller, it will make things harder to make, but the Wii 2 will feel like it was done right(because they get to learn from any problems with the Wii)
Were do this put Sony and MS for the next-next generation systems?
I really don't understand a word you said, but to answer your question: Ahead.
pendinginsanity
10-06-2006, 01:03
Let me put it polite:
If Wii is next-gen, then Xbox 360 and PS3 looks third-gen.
narutoboy
10-06-2006, 02:02
Ok..your opinion doesn't count because of this comment
Anyone who says that is 1) an moron 2) Fanboy 3)both :p
Wow, if you thought I was being serious you're either A. a dumbass B. a dumbass C. a dumbass or D. a dumbass. Try to stay on topic and that doesn't include bringing up old quotes from me, thanks.
I really don't understand a word you said, but to answer your question: Ahead.
I'll try again
Wii-Low Powers, cheap, new controller
PS3 and 360-Powerful, pricey,same old controller
So when the next round of systems come, great graphics will be cheap, so Nintendo adds great grahics to its list, while MS and Sony, will have to add something, because great graphics are going to be cheap, so MS and Sony won't have that to back up on any more
PS4 and next xBox-Good Graphics, but either its controller will be very boring, or sony/ms will put a new idea out there, and need time to make it perfect
Next Wii-Gets good graphics, and Nintendo can fix any mistakes from the Wii-mote from the Wii 1, for the Wii 2
IMO this sets up Nintendo for a better time next gen...not to say this Gen will go badly for them. But consider this, Graphics are going to get to a point were they won't be able to get much better(and one day, to a point were it looks like real life, but thats a while away) MS and Sony will need to find something else to offer other thne graphics because everyone will have smoking graphics.
Also the fact you thing Nintendo should leave the home market, mean your not looking at the big picture. Nintendo stops MS in Japan, and on xBox's home turf, xBox didn't win by nearly as much
But when it all comes down to it...games sell system(not that any company should only use that as a reason for why their system rocks, they need specs, and innovation)
Because Nintendo has stated, I'll try and get the interview link, that their next console will have what you call today Next-gen graphics and better. And when "better" is stated, its the possibility of what new tech will bring in the forcomming years, tech enhances itselfs fast in these day and ages. Wii is just beginning.
As for a better Wiimote. Well thats only a logical thing to do. They are starting a whole new way being more in tune with your video game. Isn't VR of some sort going to have to have something like this simmilar, since you can't walk around everywhere.
***dream mode****
If there were cheap and good Vizors out there. I mean, you put it on and it almost replacates real life. How would you move and interact with other than the ability to move your head and look around. Would not the Wiimote combo be a perfect design? Allowing full 3D movement/interaction without actually having to move more than your hand, fingers and head? But that as it is, is a dream.
***exit dream mode******
Now that being said, is not this new way interacting with a game a logical step forward? Yes we don't have Vizors. We use what we have. So its logical to say that Ninty will improve upon the Wiimote in the next console they produce.
Now that aside, I'm not happy that my games won't have photorealism. I'd like to see better graphics. But I know it will come. Probably before sony or microsoft. Since, business wise, its generally a good thing to make money off your product. ONLY Ninty will do that. That means more development money, better system than what we see now from any company, and hopefully the retakeing of the thrown and crown.
20+ games to enjoy at launch and more to come.....
A "Wii" price that fits my wallet....
To be a part of the next stage of video game evolution....
Priceless
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So they are promising a "next gen" console next generation, yet they skimped out on this one? I HIGHLY doubt that.
I believe the reason the Nintendo took the "Wii" route, is because they could no longer effectively compete with Sony, and Microsoft trumped the gamecube in it's first effort. If you expect Nintendo to compete with Sony and Microsoft in power in the next, next generation, you'll be waiting indefinitely.
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. If you expect Nintendo to compete with Sony and Microsoft in power in the next, next generation, you'll be waiting indefinitely.
Nintendo can't.... MS and Sony make billions from other things(Sony makes TV, DVD/Blue-Ray players, Computer ect and MS makes Windows and keyboards and mice)
Nintendo is the last of a generation of video game systems long gone. The reason everyone thinks "next gen graphics" are these systems (that cost tons, and still companys are losing cash on,) is because MS and Sony are 2/3 of the market. Really the Wii is were graphics would be if MS and Sony did not lose money on consoles. Also the fact the Wii can be similar to early 360 games, shows how good programing can get good results, not just fast hardware.
Knuckles126
10-06-2006, 03:02
I'll try again
Wii-Low Powers, cheap, new controller
PS3 and 360-Powerful, pricey,same old controller
So when the next round of systems come, great graphics will be cheap, so Nintendo adds great grahics to its list, while MS and Sony, will have to add something, because great graphics are going to be cheap, so MS and Sony won't have that to back up on any more
PS4 and next xBox-Good Graphics, but either its controller will be very boring, or sony/ms will put a new idea out there, and need time to make it perfect
Next Wii-Gets good graphics, and Nintendo can fix any mistakes from the Wii-mote from the Wii 1, for the Wii 2
IMO this sets up Nintendo for a better time next gen...not to say this Gen will go badly for them. But consider this, Graphics are going to get to a point were they won't be able to get much better(and one day, to a point were it looks like real life, but thats a while away) MS and Sony will need to find something else to offer other thne graphics because everyone will have smoking graphics.
Also the fact you thing Nintendo should leave the home market, mean your not looking at the big picture. Nintendo stops MS in Japan, and on xBox's home turf, xBox didn't win by nearly as much
But when it all comes down to it...games sell system(not that any company should only use that as a reason for why their system rocks, they need specs, and innovation)
Okay, well, your logic is very flawed imo. Your trying to say that graphics will become "cheap" all of a sudden, and no one will care about them with Xbox 720 and PS4...sorry, but thats not the case. Also, you are saying the Wii's new controller is it's saving grace. Okay, well that may be true. But to say they skipped adding new hardware this generation just so they could put it in next generation, is very unlogical. Based on that logic, the Wii should already have hardware equal to that of Xbox 360 and PS3, due to the GC's extreme similarities to the Wii.
Your trying to say that every console maker (MS, Sony, Nintentdo) has to add something "new" each generation. Now, when you say new, im assuming you mean something innovative. Well, next-gen consoles are nothing more than an evolutionary step into more advanced technology. You contradict yourself by saying Nintendo will only have to add better graphics to their next console after the Wii, yet, you specifically state graphics will be "cheap"...so which is it? Ultimately, your entire view on this subject is more scrambled than the eggs I ate this morning. You expect Nintendo to add things gradually, when really, thats not what will happen.
FYI, we don't know when graphics will reach photorealisitic level, but my guess would be about 20-30 years down the road...so that means lots of new consoles until then, which also means that viewing graphics as "cheap" this coming up next-generation, is just plain silly. Your trying to say that all consoles will have smoking graphics (Xbox 720, PS4, Wii2), but I ask, why doesn't the Wii have smoking graphics this generation? Because they added the Wii-Mote? Come on...
You also assuming that the Wii-Mote will be "perfect". Perhaps you can elaborate on that a bit? You base your entire argument's foundation on the Wii-mote. Your basically building a house on sand. You act as if a console isn't "next-gen" unless it has it's own motion sensing controller/remote. Im still puzzled on how great graphics will automatically become cheap just because they are advancing. It is infact the other way around, great graphics, and the tools that help produce them, will become more and more expensive over time, not cheaper.
Thats like saying as cars become more advanced, gas prices will decrease...
sevendesigns
10-06-2006, 04:02
Wait a minute here. Why are people now defending Nintendo's Wii with talks of next-next gen? And why is the Wiimote automatically more 'fun' to use than the traditional controllers offered by Sony and MS?
Something just isn't right anymore. What's next? When next-next comes, will you be talking about Nintendo Wii-Did-It-Again?
cx1(dcfan)
10-06-2006, 05:10
So coming in dead last almost every generation is a success? Hmm...interesting logic you have.
Just so you have your history straight, nes/snes/n64 were not dead last in their repsective generations the only one which was dead last was the GC (which one could argue wasnt technically last since the dreamcast is a part of this generation, but this can be ignored).
Now since you dont understand my logic let me explain. The GC was a business success. Meaning that it was a profitable system. As much as you would like to think so, market share does not always equal success or failure. Nintendo will again be profitable this generation, which means they will stay in the "console wars". They would obviously like to do better than last time, but if they do the same, they still make money... plenty of money. Believe me Nintendo is here for the long haul, they have no reason to get out of this business.
Also on a bit of an aside, I think everyone here is missing the point. Simply put, the wii isnt meant to compete with the 360 or ps3. It's a different system, at a different price, for a different group of people. Doesnt mean it cant be enjoyed by everyone, it just isnt really marketed to the people on this forum.
Another thing, from someone who has played the wii, the controller has the potential to be exponentially better than the 360/ps3 controller for a few types of games, and less suitable for others. Im not exactly sure what the trade-off will be, but I dont think that 360/ps3 controllers will be obsolete. I think like anything new it offers its advantages and disadvantages over the current evolution of the standard controller.
Not only that but they weren't to far off from second place, while they where a few million units short of Xbox they did manage to keep it sort of close along with the profit.
Ive read some stupid comments like "the same old controller will be boring", i never saw anyone even mention anything about a controller being "boring" since they announced the Wii controller, the way we play games is great, if you wanna play with a new controller, good for you but dont tell me "its more fun to play" or some crap like that.
Nintendo refuses to give up it's "kiddy" image, and that is exaclty what is hurting them. Consumers see this, and when they look at a Nintendo product, thats exaclty what they think---kid, as in child, as in not for adults. The name "Wii" alone hurts the console tremendously. How many adults (18-35) are going to want to buy a Wii? It's literally embarassing to own one of these consoles, let alone mention it in public. The "Revolution" sounded really unoriginal, but it also sounded cool. They should have stuck with that. So, while all your buddies are talking about their Xbox 360's and PS3's, and they ask you what you got, and you have to say I got a Wii.....uh...yeah...you get the point. (crickets chirping---big laugh)
I totally agree with that, im just 15 and i wouldnt get a Wii, almost everyone sees nintendo as a kiddy company and even if some people say its not true, thats not gonna change people's mind and its not gonna help nintendo them unless they change their image.
I also agree with those who say they need new games, I thought it would be good to mention that Mario is a character in over 140 games (in 25 years), thats an average of 5.6 games per year.
I totally agree with that, im just 15 and i wouldnt get a Wii, almost everyone sees nintendo as a kiddy company and even if some people say its not true, thats not gonna change people's mind and its not gonna help nintendo them unless they change their image.
Very true but for once it looks like Nintendo are finally starting to shake this image a little bit, not much but enough to bring in a little more of the older crowd. They want to change but not too much, no point in risking your companies image just for some 'potential' extra market.
narutoboy
10-06-2006, 15:03
Just so you have your history straight, nes/snes/n64 were not dead last in their repsective generations the only one which was dead last was the GC (which one could argue wasnt technically last since the dreamcast is a part of this generation, but this can be ignored).
Now since you dont understand my logic let me explain. The GC was a business success. Meaning that it was a profitable system. As much as you would like to think so, market share does not always equal success or failure. Nintendo will again be profitable this generation, which means they will stay in the "console wars". They would obviously like to do better than last time, but if they do the same, they still make money... plenty of money. Believe me Nintendo is here for the long haul, they have no reason to get out of this business.
Also on a bit of an aside, I think everyone here is missing the point. Simply put, the wii isnt meant to compete with the 360 or ps3. It's a different system, at a different price, for a different group of people. Doesnt mean it cant be enjoyed by everyone, it just isnt really marketed to the people on this forum.
Another thing, from someone who has played the wii, the controller has the potential to be exponentially better than the 360/ps3 controller for a few types of games, and less suitable for others. Im not exactly sure what the trade-off will be, but I dont think that 360/ps3 controllers will be obsolete. I think like anything new it offers its advantages and disadvantages over the current evolution of the standard controller.
I hate how you guys repeat the same bs rhetoric that the Nintendo heads fed you. Every console's different, every console has a different price point, and every console focuses on a specific kind of market, so what. The real point is that they're game systems in the console market and they can be compared. All that stuff they fed you about not competing with Sony and Microsoft was just to save face incase they lost and because they know they can't compete not that they're not trying. If they weren't competing tell me why would Nintendo need to mention these other companies, which they have and continue to do? Did everyone forget that Sony's controller has tilt/motion sensitivity? It sure seems that way after two people keep referring to their controller as a standard one. The new six-axis can open up new ways to play games to, just like the wii can, it might be a little limited compared to the wiimote but it has alot of possibilities. That's why I think what Sony chose to do in terms of their controller was much better then Nintendo's choice. Nintendo chose to based their whole entire gameplay around the wiimote, but Sony kept the basics and added a little something to spice it up. Yea, sure, you could buy the wiimote shell but the whole premise of Nintendo is around the wacky controller and the new ways of playing it through that.
sevendesigns
10-07-2006, 02:22
Very true but for once it looks like Nintendo are finally starting to shake this image a little bit, not much but enough to bring in a little more of the older crowd. They want to change but not too much, no point in risking your companies image just for some 'potential' extra market.
Well, I sorta see Nintendo trying a little to get away from the Kiddy image with some of the titles we know of so far. But what's up with the Mii's, the kiddy-like interfaces, and all that jazz? It seems like right when you turn your Wii on *laughs*, you're instantly reminded of their kiddy past.
I don't think this will hurt Nintendo's efforts to shed from the image. But it doesn't help.
I don't think this will hurt Nintendo's efforts to shed from the image. But it doesn't help.
Have you seen the game saddness? Hardly kiddy....also Nintendo is putting things pike picture editing and Web Browser on the Wii..not really kiddy stuff
Also I never understood why people care? I mean so cares if they have 20 "kiddy" games, if they have more games you like. The kiddy excuse is not valid, just because they sell younger games, doesn't mean you have to buy them!
. The new six-axis can open up new ways to play games to, just like the wii can,.
Not by a long shot...the PS1 had a controller that does what the PS3's controller does(it was 3rd party)...no Nintendo system has had a Wii-like controller(3rd or 1st party, to the best of my knowledge)...the Wii opens up many more options, if you like them or not, doesn't make it less of an option.
I totally agree with that, im just 15 and i wouldnt get a Wii, almost everyone sees nintendo as a kiddy company
Then your clearly have a problem with wanting to seem "cool" your reason for not wanting a Wii is not one else does, which is a terrible reason..do you need someone to tell your want kind of food to eat also?
As for adults not getting a Wii, we'll see..but at the end of the day i'd but money on the Wii have atleast 2nd most market share worldwide.
First of all, theres something called Edit button, try using that next time.
Then your clearly have a problem with wanting to seem "cool" your reason for not wanting a Wii is not one else does, which is a terrible reason..do you need someone to tell your want kind of food to eat also?
Did i say i wasnt including myself when i said "almost everyone"? I didnt, so shut up.
Im not getting a Wii because i dont like it, not because i dont want my friends to think im not "cool", in fact, a couple of them want a Wii.
Have you seen the game saddness? Hardly kiddy....also Nintendo is putting things pike picture editing and Web Browser on the Wii..not really kiddy stuff
Also I never understood why people care? I mean so cares if they have 20 "kiddy" games, if they have more games you like. The kiddy excuse is not valid, just because they sell younger games, doesn't mean you have to buy them!
You dont have to buy them, thats right, but the problem is that you wanna get a game and there might be nothing for you, if you are looking for non-kiddy games, getting a PS3 or even a XBOX 360 is a better idea.
sevendesigns
10-07-2006, 03:27
Have you seen the game saddness? Hardly kiddy....also Nintendo is putting things pike picture editing and Web Browser on the Wii..not really kiddy stuff
Also I never understood why people care? I mean so cares if they have 20 "kiddy" games, if they have more games you like. The kiddy excuse is not valid, just because they sell younger games, doesn't mean you have to buy them!
Um, did you actually read my post? I said some of the games for the Wii are proving they are trying to get away with the kiddy image. What I was getting at is, it's not the games that i'm concerned with at this moment. It seems like most of it's features within the console are more kiddy-like than i'd like.
But that's a matter of personal tastes. No need to get into that one.
You dont have to buy them, thats right, but the problem is that you wanna get a game and theres might be nothing for you, if you are looking for non-kiddy games, getting a PS3 or even a XBOX 360 is a better idea.
Lets see I'll have 4 games at launch. How many are "kiddish"
Wii Sports ---Half Kiddy---Simplistic graphics, yes. So more of a childish feel, but its an emulation of real sports and a party game. So its only half kiddy
Zelda --Not Kiddy--- Anyone that says Zelda is a kids game is just addicted to crack.
Red Steel --Not Kiddy-- Again, if this is thought to be kiddy, get off the crack.
Elebits ---Half Kiddy---- Again, its a party game, and I"m sorry, this game is going to kick ass after you take a couple of hits off the bong, and its all about twitch response, aim, and the physics/enteractability of the environment. Awsome.
And need us to go on with any of the other games that are comming out. But those are my 4 launch games. So as for game selection, the Wii has the most to offer.
Redrider
10-07-2006, 05:05
I’m kinda puzzled as to why this thread is not locked. The Wii is designed for a completely different market segment of the gaming industry than the 360 and the PS3. So why is it a great mystery that some like one over the other could it be personal taste? IMO no one is going to change the minds of the people that are going to buy the Wii, 360, or PS3 anyway. Some may buy two or all three. Thank god we have a choice as all three have strengths and weaknesses.
Lets see I'll have 4 games at launch. How many are "kiddish"
Wii Sports ---Half Kiddy---Simplistic graphics, yes. So more of a childish feel, but its an emulation of real sports and a party game. So its only half kiddy
Zelda --Not Kiddy--- Anyone that says Zelda is a kids game is just addicted to crack.
Red Steel --Not Kiddy-- Again, if this is thought to be kiddy, get off the crack.
Elebits ---Half Kiddy---- Again, its a party game, and I"m sorry, this game is going to kick ass after you take a couple of hits off the bong, and its all about twitch response, aim, and the physics/enteractability of the environment. Awsome.
And need us to go on with any of the other games that are comming out. But those are my 4 launch games. So as for game selection, the Wii has the most to offer.
Who cares?
I said the Wii got more kiddy games than XBOX 360/PS3, so if you are looking for non kiddy games, getting a PS3/XBOX 360 would be a better idea because there are more games.
and what kind of **** is that? half kiddy? We are talking about the kiddy image, doesnt matter if the game is "an emulation of real sports" because we arent talking about that.
If you want me to show you how kiddy are the Wii games next to the PS3 games ill do it.
American Ninja
10-07-2006, 05:52
Wii is NOT a rehashed GAMECUBE.
Really?:confused:
The hardware is basically a GC. We've upgraded our development tools to new versions but, you can still use GC programs as they are. With that in mind, I thought we could remake GC titles for the Wii and modify them to work with the Wii remote so that they're more fun to play." - Miyamoto
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/05/Miyamoto_says_Wii_Gamecube/
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/shiggy/miyamoto-on-the-wii-the-hardware-is-basically-a-gc-205086.php
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/miyamoto-says-the-wii-is-basically-a-gamecube-205275.php
http://feeds.joystiq.com/~r/weblogsinc/joystiq/~3/32410883/
narutoboy
10-07-2006, 14:00
Not by a long shot...the PS1 had a controller that does what the PS3's controller does(it was 3rd party)...no Nintendo system has had a Wii-like controller(3rd or 1st party, to the best of my knowledge)...the Wii opens up many more options, if you like them or not, doesn't make it less of an option.
Did you even look to see what I typed after that? I'm sure you did since you seemingly cut off that part to quote that "it might be a little limited compared to the wiimote but it has alot of possibilities".
TrueNextGenGamer
10-07-2006, 15:06
Really?:confused:
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/05/Miyamoto_says_Wii_Gamecube/
http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/shiggy/miyamoto-on-the-wii-the-hardware-is-basically-a-gc-205086.php
http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/miyamoto-says-the-wii-is-basically-a-gamecube-205275.php
http://feeds.joystiq.com/~r/weblogsinc/joystiq/~3/32410883/
Miyamoto dixit..so it's true..too bad, Nintendo is very lazy! How can they release an obsolete HW at a price tag of 250€??!! That's blasphemy! F@ck Nintendo, you won't have my money until the 2nd price drop at least. Wii is not worth the money it costs... :2gun:
I was waiting for Wii (at launch) and PS3 (Q2 2007) but Nintendo has disappointed me so much that I'll buy PS3 at launch and Wii after 2 years or so.. :cry:
Did you even look to see what I typed after that? I'm sure you did since you seemingly cut off that part to quote that "it might be a little limited compared to the wiimote but it has alot of possibilities".
But it doesn't have that many possilitys...it can replace 1 of your joy sticks, thats really it...not as all like the Wii-mote
narutoboy
10-07-2006, 15:40
But it doesn't have that many possilitys...it can replace 1 of your joy sticks, thats really it...not as all like the Wii-mote
Wrong. You obviously have no clue about this technology. It has alot of possibilities and I just said it's limited compared to the wiimote, so stop trying to ****ing argue.
Spinning a wheel on a game show type game
Using the controller as a portable tracking device
Shaking out of the grips of an ememy
Shaking your controller really fast to pump up a wrestler (would boost up strength)
Moving the controller to pivot in a basketball game
Balancing with your skateboard while grinding
Lighting a torch or match
Moving the basketball side to side in attempt to avoid it being stolen
Shuffling a deck of cards
Flying an airplane and other vehicle
Spinning an opponent around
Looking around corners
Breaking an enemies neck.
Using it to shoot freethrows in a basketball game
Scrolling across maps in real time strategy games
I could go on with the possiblities.