Nostrodamus

[The Black Wolf]

For those of you who have no idea who Notrodamos was, here is the wikipedia article on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nostrodamus

Do you think he was a real person who could see into the future, or do you think he was a phony?

If you answered yes to the first part of that question above, what is your explanation for him being able to see the future?

My answer is yes to the first part of the first question. As for my explanation, it is sort of a religious one. I believe this man was actually a prophet or maybe a person very blessed by God.

[Silver_Knight]

He's as real as my imaginary friends. :snicker

[Bigdoggy]

I doubt it and if you want to go into religion, it does say that there will be false prophets. People back then even though there wasn't nearly as many people back then, there were still some people that had greater intelligence and enough of the intelligence to say this or that will happen. The main problem with what we seem to think he is a prophet is his assumptions. While they are worded differently, the people doing studies off of his prophecies also twists his words around a bit to favor that he was right, but when you read it word for word you can clearly tell some of the things he was way off but it was an intelligent assumption on the matter. Some things that certain people try to over exaggerate were debunked as well.

[wesmore24]

I don't know if he was a real person or not. Is there any solid evidence of him actually existing?

[The Black Wolf]

I doubt it and if you want to go into religion, it does say that there will be false prophets. People back then even though there wasn't nearly as many people back then, there were still some people that had greater intelligence and enough of the intelligence to say this or that will happen. The main problem with what we seem to think he is a prophet is his assumptions. While they are worded differently, the people doing studies off of his prophecies also twists his words around a bit to favor that he was right, but when you read it word for word you can clearly tell some of the things he was way off but it was an intelligent assumption on the matter. Some things that certain people try to over exaggerate were debunked as well.

When we start seeing false prophets, we will know that the savior is coming back soon. That's another story, though.

Can you show examples of his predictions that were debunked?

Are you familiar with the History channel? Have you seen that special they had on him recently? I just find it hard to believe all those professors and qualified people are wrong.

[Bigdoggy]

When we start seeing false prophets, we will know that the savior is coming back soon. That's another story, though.

Can you show examples of his predictions that were debunked?

Are you familiar with the History channel? Have you seen that special they had on him recently? I just find it hard to believe all those professors and qualified people are wrong.

listen to how they word it vs his actual prophecies. throughout the time we are living there will be multiple false prophets, it has nothing to do with the 2nd coming at all, it has zero bit of it. It was pointing out just to be careful of false prophets.

He can call himself a prophet all he wants. But Nostrodamus also said all this "bad stuff" can be turned around as well. Once they start going back on their word, the prophet already has proven himself to be false. They go back to something else they previously said because even they, themselves aren't sure. Think of it as a safety net for false prophets. At one point his writings say the world COULD end in 2012, but then he also says that the world could end in the year 3000 and something.

[wesmore24]

When we start seeing false prophets, we will know that the savior is coming back soon. That's another story, though.

Can you show examples of his predictions that were debunked?

Are you familiar with the History channel? Have you seen that special they had on him recently? I just find it hard to believe all those professors and qualified people are wrong.I've seen numerous things about Nostradamus on History channel. And they had a new one?, what was it about?
I love watching topics like that because it's interesting. Also, he could of been a false profit, but not the one described in revelations.

[GhostFox61]

Can you show examples of his predictions that were debunked?

Can you show examples of ones that have come true?

[Vulgotha]

^That is a better question.

[Funeralfog]

all you need to do is listen to the Judas Priest Album Nostrodamus

[Bigdoggy]

When we start seeing false prophets, we will know that the savior is coming back soon. That's another story, though.

Can you show examples of his predictions that were debunked?

Are you familiar with the History channel? Have you seen that special they had on him recently? I just find it hard to believe all those professors and qualified people are wrong.


here is an example of what I'm talking about from his actual prophets to what the studies have turned around into the favor of making others believe the prophecy is true.

On the history channel (this was a while ago) I can't remember everything but one thing that comes to mind is the word hister. They were talking about a paragraph and the word hister came up. If you listen to that specific episode that this word is in, they actually had the gull to turn that word into Hilter, they were saying that Nostrodamus when he said hister actually meant Hitler o.O and I remember watching that by myself one time and I literally said out loud "WTF that's BS". because it had nothing to do, nor was it even close to what the actually writings were talking about. lol

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Can you show examples of ones that have come true?

He said something would happen ... and it did. Spooky.

Kidding aside, OK, actually _more_ kidding...

You can take non-specific, abstract writings and apply them to just about any context. It's not far from John Edward - a few vague starting points, and the person being "read" backfills the details, because as human beings, we need context/anchors/patterns and we see them everywhere, whether they were intended or not.

Little know fact: Nostradamus made a mean martini. It's like he knew exactly how you wanted it. Oh. Wait.

[Gregorious]

I find his passages far too open to interpretation, I think some times people may be reading too much into it. Like a special I saw I think it is more likely he was repeating what already happened in the hopes that time was cyclical, and would repeat itself. I should also mention I don't subscribe to the idea of astrology in general.

[podsaurus]

The guy made predictions that could fit thousands of situations thousands of times in history. I did a quick search and found this.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/cs/historical/a/nostradamus.htm


New York, the 'City of God'???

The first quatrain to hit email inboxes on 9/11 contained the prediction that a "great thunder" would be heard in the "City of God":


"In the City of God there will be a great thunder,
Two brothers torn apart by Chaos,
while the fortress endures, the great leader will succumb",
The third big war will begin when the big city is burning"

- Nostradamus 1654


Let the interpreting begin! Assuming "the City of God" is New York City, then the "two brothers torn apart by Chaos" must be the fallen towers of the Word Trade Center. The "fortress" is clearly the Pentagon, the "great leader" succumbing to Chaos must be the United States of America, and "the third big war" can only mean World War III.
Spooky, right?

I really and truly think this could be applied to other times in history. It is assumed the city of God refers to NYC. There are so many deeply religious cities this could be applied to many. NYC does NOT come to mind when I think of religious cities. Rome comes to mind. Or Jerusalem. Third big war could be the third crusade? Those were a pretty significant series of wars.

I really believe that you can take most things this guy 'predicted' and apply it to numerous situations.

[SynYster505]

He was a big fat phony.

[DreDayDetox]

I certainly believe he did exist and was a prophet, but see into the future? Nah. I don't buy it. I would go as far as saying that Leo Da Vinci was more brighter than Nostradamus.

[btbam]

For every 1000 people that are wrong, 1 person can be right, doesn't mean they were in the know somehow, just lucky enough to be right. Main issue i have with Mr. Nostrodamus, is his predictions are rather vague and the details were filled in after the fact to make them correct. For example, the idea he predicited Hitler/Thrid Reich was actually a very vague prediction where people filled in hitler later as evidence. He had no special power, had no insight, but was good at being very vague.

[Tutankhamun]

Nostradamus did exist that has been proven, his predictions are tougher to prove. During his time it was hard to say anything controversial without being killed by the church and, as mentioned above, many of his predictions we're vague. I do think he could look into the future and some of his predictions are rather hard to dismiss as vague.

On the topic of looking into the future, I feel the evidence that it is possible is rather substantial - look no further than the Remote Viewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing) research conducted both by the Soviet Union and the United States (as we know of). Also in history we have many accounts of people claiming to be given messages of the future. So I do feel there's something there.

By the way, if anyone is interested in Remote Viewing I can recommend the book Psi Spies by Jim Marrs, it is an incredible book documenting the U.S research into it and what the remove viewers found out.

So yes, I do think Nostradamus could look into the future and I think he probably used Remote Viewing to do it.

[nofear01]

There is a great two hour documentary simply called "Nostradamus", this also covers over aspects of such predictions such as the Mayans beliefs of the future.

I believe some people have unlock the necessary skills to predict certain things and future happenings. We are using such a small part of our brain that who knows what could happen when we realise its full potential.

So yes, I think some of what Nostradamus said is true.

[Kopkiwi]

There is a great two hour documentary simply called "Nostradamus", this also covers over aspects of such predictions such as the Mayans beliefs of the future.

I believe some people have unlock the necessary skills to predict certain things and future happenings. We are using such a small part of our brain that who knows what could happen when we realise its full potential.

So yes, I think some of what Nostradamus said is true.

Someone watched Limitless and got sucked in I see.

[btbam]

There is a great two hour documentary simply called "Nostradamus", this also covers over aspects of such predictions such as the Mayans beliefs of the future.

I believe some people have unlock the necessary skills to predict certain things and future happenings. We are using such a small part of our brain that who knows what could happen when we realise its full potential.

So yes, I think some of what Nostradamus said is true.

Are you referencing people only using 10% of their brain? That has been pretty well misconstrued. At any given task you may only use 10% of your brain, but it's segmented and you are using full capacity or considerable capacity of that 10%. Secondly, since it is rare to have a task that only uses one part of the brain, you have overlapping "10%s" and for a typical task the average person is using roughly 1/3 of their brain at any given time. There are no. Secret powers locked in the parts you are not using just parts that don't pertain to the task at hand

[Beast of Bourbon]

I'd rather believe in Negrodamus.
http://i.qkme.me/4yq5.jpg

[Bigdoggy]

yea but when you get people with such things as Autism, they tend to use a greater percentage resulting in the way that they are. They can't switch to anything else, once their brain locks onto that certain thing it uses pretty much 100% of it's brain power. That's why when you look at people with Autism that are perfect at math, that is all they know. The average person brain grows in knowledge percentage wise (if you want to put it that way) so you have different sections for example.

10% for talking

10% thinking math, science, real world outcomes, etc etc (just for examples)

10% movement

The percentage is probably a lot bigger then that. my point is, is the average person in no way can use 100% of their brain unless a some things are taken away permanently. I still have yet to see it.

If people are using 100% of their brain depending on the knowledge they have, then people with Autism or a lot of them are using more then 200% o.O and that's locked onto one specific thing forever.

[unicron7]

To put simply: I think Nostrodamus was full of shit. Just like every other supernatural/spiritual thing man has concocted. Great stories, but they only that. Stories. I put about as much belief into what these guys have to say as I do Dr. Seuss or Stephen king. Fiction is fiction.

[MiThRaZoR]

Can you show examples of ones that have come true?

Well I don't know of many. But I know one where there was some regular priest. Or bishop. Those 2 might be the same thing. But when Nostradamus saw him, he threw himself at his feet and after the priest asked why he did that. Nostradamus said that why wouldn't he pay his respects to a pope.

Years later, that guy actually becomes the pope.

I'm reiterating this through memory. So I don't know the exact details. But that's the overall gist of the story.

Or my mind may be playing tricks on me. O_o

[Vulgotha]

Nostradamus did exist that has been proven, his predictions are tougher to prove. During his time it was hard to say anything controversial without being killed by the church and, as mentioned above, many of his predictions we're vague. I do think he could look into the future and some of his predictions are rather hard to dismiss as vague.

On the topic of looking into the future, I feel the evidence that it is possible is rather substantial - look no further than the Remote Viewing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_viewing) research conducted both by the Soviet Union and the United States (as we know of). Also in history we have many accounts of people claiming to be given messages of the future. So I do feel there's something there.

By the way, if anyone is interested in Remote Viewing I can recommend the book Psi Spies by Jim Marrs, it is an incredible book documenting the U.S research into it and what the remove viewers found out.

So yes, I do think Nostradamus could look into the future and I think he probably used Remote Viewing to do it.

I've heard that the US efforts into remote viewing were overwhelmingly unsuccessful. Most of it a waste of time.

If what I remember is true, most of the remote viewers were almost always wrong but the official policy was never to tell them so. As it would 'hurt morale'.


Edit: in fact the wikipedia link you sent basically states this. At best the psychics had a 5-15% 'above chance' with their viewings.

Is human psychic activity possible? I think it is, there's alot in that area we just don't know. I also think there is a good sum of evidence leading to the conclusion that human beings can do this stuff.


But the results also point to the fact that in most cases its effects are very tiny and often impractical.

[Marcsony]

As the great Fox Mulder said "I want to believe"


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[Tutankhamun]

I've heard that the US efforts into remote viewing were overwhelmingly unsuccessful. Most of it a waste of time.

If what I remember is true, most of the remote viewers were almost always wrong but the official policy was never to tell them so. As it would 'hurt morale'.


Edit: in fact the wikipedia link you sent basically states this. At best the psychics had a 5-15% 'above chance' with their viewings.

Is human psychic activity possible? I think it is, there's alot in that area we just don't know. I also think there is a good sum of evidence leading to the conclusion that human beings can do this stuff.


But the results also point to the fact that in most cases its effects are very tiny and often impractical.

Officially the U.S claims the program was unsuccessful, but if you listen to what the military remote viewers have to say you get a different story.

It is also worth reading the book I mentioned Psi Spies to get a sense of what truly went on, this video presentation is also great background information to get started in the field.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQsePRD2HqE

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQsePRD2HqE

As for not telling the viewers they we're wrong, I doubt that is accurate. In fact, you need feedback to be able to do remote viewing otherwise it is not worth much. You need to be able confirm what you saw.

[PsychoMantis]

This may sound last minute but ill believe everything Nostradamus says when its happening or happened. The problem is relegion gets in the way and has to be correct about everything the truth will never been known until something happens. Everybody is getting all shaken up with all the 2012 doomsday crap and the mayan theory, I don't believe any of it. If you look at it, all "end of days" theories have been going on since the 70's and even long before that with the current one being May 2011. NOTHING has happened and until something does many prophets will come and go, the only one that knows is god himself and he won't jump off his cloud and tell people whats going down next year.