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http://www.officialplaystationmagazine.co.uk/2012/06/08/5-e3-games-that-prove-we-dont-need-ps4-yet/
I agree :-)
mooninites
06-08-2012, 15:38
I'm not in a huge hurry for next gen but i know at least Watch Dogs and Star Wars 1313 were shown on a PC. We aren't gonna get those visuals on consoles but the games themselves do look awesome and am looking forward to all 5.
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AaronSOLDIER
06-08-2012, 15:42
It wouldn't bother me in the least if graphics never improved beyond this point.
That's a great list. I agree as well.
squirrelbo1
06-08-2012, 16:00
And just think what they would be like if we had improved hardware
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Ghost-Rhayne
06-08-2012, 16:03
I also agree. Tretton talked about being in that point where the hardware learning curve has been reached and devs can now focus on just making really good games and this is clearly evident when you look at 3rd and 1st party offerings this E3. I would add God of War Ascension to that list. Game looked amazing and I like the more realistic look to it.
aayman_farzand
06-08-2012, 16:45
For all we know, the games would've been a lot better with the PS4. The graphics is becoming underwhelming, games frequently dip below 30FPS...I'd say it's time to move to a new platform.
Actually nothing proves we don't need PS4 because we really do.Watchdogs on PS3/360 will not look like this at all.
KillingSpree0
06-08-2012, 17:20
Actually nothing proves we don't need PS4 because we really do.Watchdogs on PS3/360 will not look like this at all.
Don't be a debby downer
Weren't Watch Dogs and Star Wars running on PC hardware at E3?
The games look good but if we had a PS4 and the same game running on it (coded for it) I'm expect we'd see a difference.
wacth dogs and star wars will be watered down for consoles. these gamesd where runing on high end pcs weneed next gen fast.
Don't be a debby downer
Don't know what that means,But i'm being realistic.
Sub-stance1
06-08-2012, 18:32
2 of the 5 were PC games. The other 3 looked great but not even close to the PC games shown. Yes, we do need PS4.
emmerich
06-08-2012, 18:39
Have to agree with the others who said we still need PS4. Not solely for graphics either. I'd like to see us reach a point in which all games run at least 60FPS and have graphics on par with Battlefield 3 on the highest PC settings or slightly better. However, as i said. Graphics aren't what I look at first in games.
More players on screen, larger worlds, all at 60FPS.
I'm not saying the potential for this generation is now gone, but it is deflating and the next-generation systems would only make these games look and play even better. I'm tired of seeing jaggies on my consoles titles. I'm tired of having the framerate slowdown during a normal fight. I'm tired of seeing pop-in and being stuck in static environments.
With greater hardware comes greater gameplay potential; AI, physics, player count, etc.
Sub-stance1
06-08-2012, 18:49
I'm not saying the potential for this generation is now gone, but it is deflating and the next-generation systems would only make these games look and play even better. I'm tired of seeing jaggies on my consoles titles. I'm tired of having the framerate slowdown during a normal fight. I'm tired of seeing pop-in and being stuck in static environments.
With greater hardware comes greater gameplay potential; AI, physics, player count, etc.
Indeed. Next gen games should easily blow away the best console games of this gen. The only real negative i can see is the development cost and thepossible increase in price of games for the consumer.
2 of the 5 were PC games. The other 3 looked great but not even close to the PC games shown. Yes, we do need PS4.Yes. Watch Dogs and Starwars 1313 were indeed being demoed with PC builts. If every game performed as fantastic as The Last of Us then I would agree about not needing the next generation of consoles but that's too idealistic. We need the next generation announcement next year if not late this year at the earliest.
Indeed. Next gen games should easily blow away the best console games of this gen. The only real negative i can see is the development cost and thepossible increase in price of games for the consumer.I believe that development cost can cost less if both the consoles are a lot easier to work with and for the engines to cut development time.
btw Watch dogs has been confirmed for 2013 on PC & consoles
https://twitter.com/watchdogsgame/status/210143235060928512
Linconan
06-09-2012, 12:37
This proves nothing.
All this proves is justification on waiting for games.
Hype building.
Watch Dogs will look nothing like that on consoles, and that's the same for Star Wars 1313.
The Limitations are obvious, that we've hit the mark.
The ONLY thing this proves (well, The Last of Us. for PS3) is that the developers are more comfortable with the systems with age.
Yes it looks good, yes I cant wait till it comes out.
But it looks nothing in comparison to the other games named above.
The greater scheme of things for Next Gen,
ie looks, models, AI numbers, motion, detail, effects, etc.. as well as of course graphics.
But with this Gen,
the Draw distance, Character detailing popup, AI, large scaling maps. All show their limit.
Not in a bad way,
it's just time to move on and let the developers explore greater options and let them spread their wings.
imo!
:p
BoyBettaKnow
06-09-2012, 14:57
I don't think it proves anything, imo. From my point of view this generations consoles have ran out of steam and nothing that I've seen has impressed me at all. Sure some games look good but nothing has made me think this generation has a lot more to give.
The Watch Dogs gameplay with all the effects further proves my point, for me.
The sooner we get next gen the better in my eyes. Out with the old hardware - in with the new, I say.
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acryllicaltair
06-09-2012, 15:27
If Sony were to announce a ps4, how many would come up and say it isn't needed? Most would get it or plan to get it.
Personally, i can't wait for the next generation to get here.
If Sony were to announce a ps4, how many would come up and say it isn't needed? Most would get it or plan to get it.
Personally, i can't wait for the next generation to get here.
Obviously not, but we could of had a upgrade 4 years ago
Untill I start seeing Assassins Creed 4 not possible on PS3, then its not needed
And no one know what watchdog looks like on PS3, except the dev
And they reckon it looks the same, new more efficient engine? Who knows we'll have to wait and see
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acryllicaltair
06-09-2012, 15:45
Obviously not, but we could of had a upgrade 4 years ago
Untill I start seeing Assassins Creed 4 not possible on PS3, then its not needed
And no one know what watchdog looks like on PS3, except the dev
And they reckon it looks the same, new more efficient engine? Who knows we'll have to wait and see
Sent from my LT26i using Tapatalk 2the people that keep saying it isnt needed are the same ones that will be trying to get it on day 1. for me, it is usually semantics.....some people think that one console may launch sooner than their preferred console. Next gen would be a huge leap when compared to this, more things developers can do, and more things they can impement on games, how that isnt needed or better still welcome is beyond me
ps3freak18
06-09-2012, 15:51
This subject has gotten very strange. I'm not saying I'm freaking out for a new system but I'm also not against a new one. What I don't understand is how the mentality towards new systems this gen has changed tremendously from the past. I agree the games are still getting better and better but not leaps and bounds. It is just odd to me when last gen 5 years after the releases of the major systems everyone was dying for a new system. Now most are "meh" than leaning towards the new gen. Even more crazy is how some try to make an argument saying we don't need it like this article. Nothing wrong with the article but honestly I never thought I would see the day when people were satisfied with a system, 5 years after release. Like I said I'm in the middle on this but slightly towards the PS4 so I'm not completely against taking this gen out about 2 more years or so. But if it released tomorrow...I would for sure buy one.
Blacksite
06-09-2012, 16:09
Have to agree with the others who said we still need PS4. Not solely for graphics either. I'd like to see us reach a point in which all games run at least 60FPS and have graphics on par with Battlefield 3 on the highest PC settings or slightly better. However, as i said. Graphics aren't what I look at first in games.
More players on screen, larger worlds, all at 60FPS.
Yeah, but 60 frames per second isn't going to become the norm. Developers can always stick to 30 frames per second as it allows for better visuals.
And we all know next-gen gaming is just around the corner. All of the rumors, as well as a lower amount of games shown at E3 this year, point to game developers gearing up for the release of Sony and Microsoft's next home consoles late next year or early in the following.
Other than that, I find it hard to believe people wouldn't want better graphics. Look at how many people got excited over the Watch Dogs tech demo and that was running on a high-end PC.
Two4DaMoney
06-09-2012, 16:29
I'm going to be fine with the ps3 for a year after the ps4 launch. By then, Sony's first party studios are going to make the wait unbearable. I'm trying to wait out next gen until the hardware gets reworked. I don't want anymore overheating issues on my hands.
I'm going to be fine with the ps3 for a year after the ps4 launch. By then, Sony's first party studios are going to make the wait unbearable. I'm trying to wait out next gen until the hardware gets reworked. I don't want anymore overheating issues on my hands.
Depending on what they have in launch year, I'm in the same boat. I got my PS3 on launch day for the BluRay player. I had a 1080p TV at that time, so it was well worth it.
HellsJester
06-09-2012, 17:55
Last i heard Star Wars 1313 isnt even coming to consoles this gen.
Watch_Dogs wont look like that on a console until they release a "complete edition" for the next gen consoles. (Which is what they will probably do)
I will buy PS4 if it comes out tomorrow.That doesn't mean i will throw my PS3 in the trash.There is still a lot of games i/will miss.
The Sith
06-10-2012, 21:26
Lmao at the article saying the ps3 will have same visuals that were displayed in the Watch Dogs demo.
Ubisoft lied they have been working on this kept secret project for 2 years. It's a brand new Engine that was built from the ground up for next gen consoles.. The same can be said about Lucas Arts and the Star Wars 1313. If you want to play games that have these awesome visuals than the ps4 is needed.
The Sith
06-10-2012, 21:33
Weren't Watch Dogs and Star Wars running on PC hardware at E3?
The games look good but if we had a PS4 and the same game running on it (coded for it) I'm expect we'd see a difference.
Ubisoft lied it was running on a Durango dev kit. They were showing the game privately behind closed doors using the Xbox SmartGlass.
Ubisoft lied it was running on a Durango dev kit. They were showing the game privately behind closed doors using the Xbox SmartGlass.
No offense but Ubisoft are complete liars, Watchdogs will release on consoles with a delayed PC release like every Ubi game, and where you get ya info from, cuz that kinda confirms Durango was at E3 and there has been no mention of it, or is this a rumor?
Edit: just my final thought
Watchdogs looks great, it really does
But for a nextgen title, I expect better character models, if anything all I see is this game is running on the a improved AC3 engine, the realtime weather & lighting effects. and animation are some of the engine new features, many people are finding it hard to believe this is running on current hardware but perhaps thats because they want it to be nextgen, but yet I feel disappointed if it ain't on current gen cuz I don't see the jump, its not even close to Epics & SquareEnix tech, it looks like a current gen game to me, same with Starwars
If the graphics in watchdogs were on Beyonds level then yeah, but they aint
And I know they are two different game types & Watchdogs is open but a nextgen title should match a current character model regardless of gametype.
And Starwars 1313? A Uncharted clone running on UE3? Yeah thats nextgen right there
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The Sith
06-10-2012, 22:35
The links here are proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvQtxOBDTok&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/351851/watch-dogs-to-feature-xbox-smartglass-style-tablet-support/
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/e3-2012-watch-dogs-could-be-next-gen-will-use-smartglass/097531
The Ac3 in engine trailer was awesome but when they switched to the gameplay demonit looked like your standard ps3/360 game.
Scrubs42
06-10-2012, 23:11
This subject has gotten very strange. I'm not saying I'm freaking out for a new system but I'm also not against a new one. What I don't understand is how the mentality towards new systems this gen has changed tremendously from the past. I agree the games are still getting better and better but not leaps and bounds. It is just odd to me when last gen 5 years after the releases of the major systems everyone was dying for a new system. Now most are "meh" than leaning towards the new gen. Even more crazy is how some try to make an argument saying we don't need it like this article. Nothing wrong with the article but honestly I never thought I would see the day when people were satisfied with a system, 5 years after release. Like I said I'm in the middle on this but slightly towards the PS4 so I'm not completely against taking this gen out about 2 more years or so. But if it released tomorrow...I would for sure buy one.
I agree in that attitudes to a next gen consoles have changed. I also think this reason could be down to cost. People really don't want to get hit with another £500-600 price tag for a console. Also due to the lack of backward compatibility this gen people are scared that with the release of next gen a lot of their PS3 games may become redundant. (People may sell their existing hardware to help pay for the new) In addition to this, I think when one company jumps the gun, microsoft/sony. The other will be very quick to release theirs.
As I read in another article about Microsoft and Sony's performance at E3 and that Microsoft was all about 2012; Sony about 2013, kinda hints that Microsoft is more ready to jump onto the next-gen than Sony?
But price is the biggy I think. If full BC is an all go on next-gen I'd be happy to purchase next-gen early into launch, however if not, I'd defo hold back with all the great games coming out on PS3 soon!
I'd personally be happy to hold onto PS3 for 2-3 more years.
Blacksite
06-11-2012, 01:31
The same can be said about Lucas Arts and the Star Wars 1313.
Actually, no. Star Wars: 1313 is said to be using Unreal Engine 3.
I mentioned it back when I posted the video.
TDbank24
06-11-2012, 01:34
I don't need a new console for another couple years at least. The PS3 has been everything i dreamed of in a gaming console. Just amazing game after amazing game.
And like someone else said, if the graphics never changed i'd be fine. Games look realistic enough the way they are now. How much better can it really get before we're playing movies? Part of gaming is that fine line between fantasy and reality.
Equinoqs
06-11-2012, 03:49
I love me a pretty game, but I'm usually more interested in how a game plays than how it looks. I don't need a new Playstation anytime soon as long as games like "The Last Of Us", "Beyond: Two Souls" and "Lollipop Chainsaw" keep coming out.
Ghost-Rhayne
06-11-2012, 09:35
The links here are proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvQtxOBDTok&feature=youtube_gdata_player
UPDATE: So it has been reported LIVE on Spike that Watch Dogs was running on a PC and it will come to Xbox 360 and PS3. :/
UPDATE #2: Multiple Members of Ubisoft has been interviewed by both GameTrailers/Spike TV and IGN saying this was indeed running on a PC with the focus on pushing the Content. It will be coming to PS3 and Xbox 360 (which would require a downgrade version of the shaders and maybe even the animation compression) and then any other platforms that can push it as this product does NOT have an release date. So there you go, we will be able to play a version one day on the current systems, but we where looking at a high end PC version as I noticed in their Press Conference. Exciting times! - TAH
Hard call, wonder if it was a bluff, or if this will be a multi platform game as in the PC version gets ported to the next gen consoles.
ORIGINAL POST:
Ubisoft reveals Watchdog, a new IP and it is for sure for next gen consoles as this one was running on a next gen Xbox dev kit. I talk about what points to this conclusion in this commentary.- Updated vid description
Seems like it was just running on a high end PC for presentation sake. The PS360 version will be dumbed down and it will probably get a release on next gen consoles with graphics closer to the video.
The links here are proof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvQtxOBDTok&feature=youtube_gdata_player
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/351851/watch-dogs-to-feature-xbox-smartglass-style-tablet-support/
http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/e3-2012-watch-dogs-could-be-next-gen-will-use-smartglass/097531
The Ac3 in engine trailer was awesome but when they switched to the gameplay demonit looked like your standard ps3/360 game.
AC3? I haven't seen much only the boat gameplay, and I see the similarities, watch the footage again
but the could be nextgen & supports a 360 feature o_O
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/lovekakumei/thesimpsons-inout.gif
btw, I have no doubt that the console version will be different graphically, I just don't see this as nextgen or perhaps its a 0.5
nextgen title? its confirmed for PS3/360 thou, I've pre-ordered it even.
@Ghost-Rhayne
A ultimate edition for nextgen? or Watchdogs 2?
Ghost-Rhayne
06-11-2012, 10:19
AC3? I haven't seen much only the boat gameplay, and I see the similarities, watch the footage again
but the could be nextgen & supports a 360 feature o_O
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu192/lovekakumei/thesimpsons-inout.gif
btw, I have no doubt that the console version will be different graphically, I just don't see this as nextgen or perhaps its a 0.5
nextgen title? its confirmed for PS3/360 thou, I've pre-ordered it even.
@Ghost-Rhayne
A ultimate edition for nextgen? or Watchdogs 2?
I don't know, but when asked about what platforms it'll see, Ubi said "PC, PS3, 360 and...Well, we'll see" or something like that. He can only have been alluding to either Wii U or next gen.
Last gen we had Tomb Raider Underworld was released on both the PS2 and PS3, as was Splinter Cell: Double Agent. I don't see why this practice won't be repeated in the current next gen transition.
I don't need a new console for another couple years at least. The PS3 has been everything i dreamed of in a gaming console. Just amazing game after amazing game.
And like someone else said, if the graphics never changed i'd be fine. Games look realistic enough the way they are now. How much better can it really get before we're playing movies? Part of gaming is that fine line between fantasy and reality.That has been said previous generations. These graphics will look like piss soon enough.
The Sith
06-11-2012, 12:40
@TGO that pic of the ship is from in-engine not from actual gameplay. Like I said the AC3 demo footage was all in-engine but when they switched to the actual game play it was totally different.
@TGO that pic of the ship is from in-engine not from actual gameplay. Like I said the AC3 demo footage was all in-engine but when they switched to the actual game play it was totally different.
So that part won't look like that when I play it in a few months?
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Showstopper47
06-13-2012, 16:34
Beyond, Ascension, and The Last Of Us look amazing!