View Full Version : NY Times' issues with GTA San Andreas "racial implicati
multiboy
08-13-2004, 03:05
I just ran a search through google for the words "san andreas" a few minutes ago and couldn't help but notice the news result that happened to appear: "Racial Issues Alleged In GTA San Andreas, Other Games"
I mean how ridiculous is this:
Thanks to the New York Times (free reg. req.) for its article exploring possible racial stereotyping inherent in many videogames. The article alleges: "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas... underscores what some critics consider a disturbing trend: popular video games that play on racial stereotypes, including images of black youths committing and reveling in violent street crime."
Full article: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/12/technology/circuits/12urba.html?pagewanted=print&position=
Dragonlance
08-13-2004, 03:11
Hehe, thats kinda sad and pathetic. Who the hell cares about racial reamerks in a game? If you are offended by it, then dont buy it! Its THAT simple. Well, thats the NY times for ya though, what a bunch of dorks :roll:
multiboy
08-13-2004, 03:46
Dorks indeed. :p
Actually....NY loves having stories, if they don't get one they aren't happy...
But you know I'm still waiting on a R* one based off asian people =D
You control this asian guy and you're in Chinatown
woohoo!
lol
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 06:00
You control this asian guy and you're in Chinatown
woohoo!
lolLol :mrgreen: something liek Jet Li Rise To Honour? lol :lol:
well...not like that...RTH was horrible...you have to use analog and then you got the RL buttons to use...annoying! :(
I can understand being offended by the remarks in the game, it's only human.
Well in Japan...they don't much care what the heck the games are based on...shows like Pokemon that's for all ages in Japan become edited when coming over here...that means american society has some problems...
*Here's a scene in the japanese Pokemon*
--James Blows Up Balloons with a pump In His Chest To Disguise as a girl*
*American Version*
It becomes the lost episode -_-
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 09:25
Well in Japan...they don't much care what the heck the games are based on...shows like Pokemon that's for all ages in Japan become edited when coming over here...that means american society has some problems...
*Here's a scene in the japanese Pokemon*
--James Blows Up Balloons with a pump In His Chest To Disguise as a girl*
*American Version*
It becomes the lost episode -_-I swaer Pokemon the cartoon are so cool but unfortunately they are so many and so many different leagues that I pretty much lost interest in them :(
If anything the makers of San Andreas are providing us with Racial equality. The first few games you played as a white person. Now as soon as you play as a black person people get all huffy about it. It seems to me like Rockstar are just trying to even things up a bit. So it's okay for a white person to commit crime in games, but its not okay for a black person to? This all sounds a little ridiculous to me.
Rockstar aren't promoting racial stereotypes they are merely being fair to all races by giving the lead role to a black person instead of a white person this time. So what if the character commits crime and is black? That doesn't mean anything. Like I said the first games feature a white person committing the crime, so it's hardly fair to accuse Rockstar of racism when they are trying to feature all types of ethnicities in the game.
PlayStation 3
08-13-2004, 10:37
So it's okay for a white person to commit crime in games, but its not okay for a black person to? This all sounds a little ridiculous to me.
Exactly my thoughts! Even if u had a choice they would say that's racist cause the white has better cloths than the black guy ROFL! ... really stupifying!
I doubt it, the white guy was more of a mob style gangster so he had the suits and what not, the black guy will be more of an urban style gangster. I dont think people would get offended by that because that is really the style for alot of urban black people.
Blah, I'm still waiting on the asian guy, lol
Dragonlance
08-15-2004, 17:17
Many black people went too far with racial issues, they use it to get into univiersities, colleges, get work, etc. Now they dont like GTA because of racial impacts. Like Bill Cosby and Alan Keys said (both are black by da way) The African-American race needs to IMPROVE on their faults not blame others for them.
Come on, its not OUR fault so many blacks are urban style gangsters. :!:
Okay I think this is going far enough. This thread could quite easily become very offensive. Please be careful what you say, as some people may be very insulted by comments like that.
Actually...it 'is' our fault, it's just that more black people get discrimated by unfair treatments from many people which 'cause them to be mad...Anyway there are alot of good black people, if you live in a bad neighborhood I don't know about you but if you think that so many blacks are gangsters you should think again...People like Beyonce and P.Diddy got into the business by singing...the discrimination of blacks are just about gone...I just don't understand the so many commericals that say that black needs help -_- I dunno...just like everyone, everyone can live free...
Anyway this was prolly a nothing at all worthful for you guys... :(
Dragonlance
08-16-2004, 01:07
And blacks arnt free? they have the same exact rights as us. And yeah, there is a great amount of good black people. The blacks i dont like are the ones that say they dont have the same rights and are always discriminated, and gangsters. But i dont like white gangsters either...who likes em? Its not our problem if blacks tend to be more urban style gangs, its the truth, im not going to not play GTA just cuz the truths in there, even if i were black.
PS: Im Russian, people have weird images of russians too, furry hats, communism, all that crap. I look at it and lauch, its funny for god sakes how americans see us.
PPS: Im also jewish, and if anything, jews are hated more than blacks. But you dont see me critisizing games and movies that involve bad things about jews do you?
lol, it's alright...just stating that that's the purpose...I have a russian friend, she's cool...jews lol have you seen that family guy episode? LOL, if not it's alright since you don't go ballistic on it...anyway what I said above you're post is all I gotta say :D
Dragonlance
08-16-2004, 03:12
I wouldnt go ballistic id just think what frikkin messed up moron :P. By the Watashi, where do you live?
Well I live in amerigo, but in my location it states I live close to hell, so that's sums it up to where I live, lol
Here's the clue that will give it away:
The only state with parishes
I am a black canadian and a really big fan of GTA;and i for one really feel that black people are going to far with this discrimintion thing. The game is not trying to discriminate or stereotype black people, it's just trying to show the black point of view of urban style gangster life. The game is just taking the gangster movies like Boyz In the Hood , and Belly, and putting them in playable format, so i dont know why there is such an outcry from the black american community. but then again i am canadian and up here i guess there is alot less racism than in the usa, if you ever come to toronto you will be seeing alot of interacial coulpes walking around.
ps i dont appreciate what Dragonlance wrote: "Come on, its not OUR fault so many blacks are urban style gangsters".
it might not be your fault ............but it could be your grate,grate,grate,grate grand farthers fault. remember if black pleople had equal rights from the start there will not be so many poor blacks today.
pss i will still buy GTA nomatter what
lol right on man! it's aight, I don't think any harm is done, people are meant to their own opinions even spoken out, though people may hate it you still get their rights. So basically either ignore it and say you never read it or take it to other places, lol
have fun with GTA: SA, I'm still trying to get III/VC :'( I only played a little bit and got addicted :(
Dragonlance
08-16-2004, 17:13
AHEM! It actually wasnt my great........grandfather's fault, as my ansestors wernt from the US :P . And what could we have done about it? Why scream and yell at us when we couldnt have done anything about it? And if you remember, it was only the confederation that was doing this. Thats why the cicil war broke out (and many other reasons too). It happened, its history, now we need to get on with our liives. Im Jewish and we had a history much worse than the blacks, although both our ansectors had an unbelievably hard tim getting by, i dont scream at christians and say "you are discriminating us". Just live with it, if GTA was droven out of buisness, it wont help the black community in any way. As bad as it is, you dont have to be paranoid about it. Bill Cosby, a black, had his son killed by a white. However he still respects us. Imagine the difference in consequences of a black and white person commiting a crime, people talk about this on the news everyday, liberals think blacks are still enslaved while conservatives think they are equal in every way. WHAT HAPPENED 200 YEARS AGO HAPPENED.
AHEM! It actually wasnt my great........grandfather's fault, as my ansestors wernt from the US :P . And what could we have done about it? Why scream and yell at us when we couldnt have done anything about it? And if you remember, it was only the confederation that was doing this. Thats why the cicil war broke out (and many other reasons too). It happened, its history, now we need to get on with our liives. Im Jewish and we had a history much worse than the blacks, although both our ansectors had an unbelievably hard tim getting by, i dont scream at christians and say "you are discriminating us". Just live with it, if GTA was droven out of buisness, it wont help the black community in any way. As bad as it is, you dont have to be paranoid about it. Bill Cosby, a black, had his son killed by a white. However he still respects us. Imagine the difference in consequences of a black and white person commiting a crime, people talk about this on the news everyday, liberals think blacks are still enslaved while conservatives think they are equal in every way. WHAT HAPPENED 200 YEARS AGO HAPPENED.
What you just wrote goes against the rules of this forum Dragonlance.
You have managed to be insulting and somewhat racist. What you wrote was verging on racist, not just in that post, but in your previous post too. What you seem to have missed is that kj23 was disagreeing with what many Black people are saying, just like you are and yet you were still criticise him in an unfair manner.
kj23 was not referring to your great, great grandparents specifically - he was merely pointing out that Slavery in America hundreds of years ago contributed in some way towards the amount of poverty and therefore street crime in America nowadays.
Saying that the Jews suffered more than Blacks is derogatory towards the Jewish people and comments like that are likely to cause offence to many people who visit this forum and are therefore against the rules of this forums rules. Both black people and Jews have suffered at the hands of oppression and you should be supportive, not critical of the black peoples history.
One more outburst that verges on Racism like that and you will be banned. You have been warned.
Hey PSGamer, you work for Sony right? You are working on developing games for the PS2 or PS3? Dont you have exclusive info for us or can talk to someone for us and get some info on the PS3 or how developing for the PS3 is going? How long are the NDA rules lasting?
Oops didn't see this article until today. Sure I can talk about some things, there is some information that I can't talk about till launch but I can see what I can and can't say. So just bring down the questions and I'll answer them to the best of my ability.
KlawHammer
05-25-2006, 23:12
You work for Sony right? Shouldn't you be classified as an Industry Insider?
Anyways, if NUM wouldn't mind, a couple easy questions would be like:
Which Sony Console/Handheld do you specifically develope for? Or do you develope for both?
Have you helped develope any well known games we play or use to play?
What is the general atmosphere around Sony Corp after the recent events of E3?
Which Sony Console/Handheld do you specifically develope for? Or do you develope for both?
- I worked on one PSP game (Twisted Metal: Head On), and currently working on a PS3 game.
Have you helped develope any well known games we play or use to play?
- Well unless you consider Twisted Metal: Head On a well known game then sure.
What is the general atmosphere around Sony Corp after the recent events of E3?
- Theres a bit of tension going around sure, but everything is staying calm, cool, and on track.
This PS3 game that you are working on....are you still under strict NDA rules and unable to talk about the game at all???
Can you say anything about developing for the Cell and RSX?
What department do you work in? animation, modeling, concept art, audio, ect???
I will come up with more Q's once i find out how much you can talk about. I just thought that since you work for Sony, you have to have some good info that PS3land.com could use....
ps3 Wanna be
05-26-2006, 21:59
Have you been told when your NDA ends?
This PS3 game that you are working on....are you still under strict NDA rules and unable to talk about the game at all???
- Technically yes, but I can say that it will be an action game with intense gameplay and graphics.
Can you say anything about developing for the Cell and RSX?
There both extremely powerful chips. Since I havn't been around that long the CELL is the first thing that I would actually develope for although it is pretty easiest once you get most of the concepts down. The RSX is a beast of a GPU to develope for aswell. I still have not seen the full power of it, but its still pretty amazing.
What department do you work in? animation, modeling, concept art, audio, ect???
I work in different areas on different projects. Really depends on the game actually, because I'm better at somethings then others on certain games. For instance, the action game that I am working on right now im working on the animations. Towards more games in the future I hope to get in working with character art, lead programming, ect.
Have you been told when your NDA ends?
- For the PS3 specs and things like that, the day the PS3 launches. Although it has other things about future games and more that I can't discuss.[/quote]
ps3 Wanna be
05-27-2006, 14:57
Nice responses there :)
I've some more questions (sorry, we're taking advantage):
Do you know the final specifications (I know you can't talk to us about them), or is it still a case of "Design and specifications are subject to change without notice"?
When you want to release information or media for your game(s), do you have to go to Sony first for approval?
Have you received the final devkit?
heerokenshin
05-27-2006, 15:02
??? You haven't been around that long, and you're only developing on the cell, didn't you say you worked on Twisted Metal?
Also, in this thread:
http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 (http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=13740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
You say you are working on Eye of Judgement, which isn't an adventure game, and is actually a SCEJ game...
RPGDreamer
05-27-2006, 15:08
This PS3 game that you are working on....are you still under strict NDA rules and unable to talk about the game at all???
- Technically yes, but I can say that it will be an action game with intense gameplay and graphics.
Didn't you say on the forums that it was Eye of Judgement? That's not really an action game, is it? Or are you working on more than one game?
heerokenshin
05-27-2006, 15:48
Here are your words :
I worked on one PSP game (Twisted Metal: Head On), and currently working on a PS3 game.
and then you said:
There both extremely powerful chips. Since I havn't been around that long the CELL is the first thing that I would actually develope for although it is pretty easiest once you get most of the concepts down.
As far as I know, the PSP doesnt have a cell in it..
If you could please clarify on these points, it will help get the interview clearer and more understandable....
This PS3 game that you are working on....are you still under strict NDA rules and unable to talk about the game at all???
- Technically yes, but I can say that it will be an action game with intense gameplay and graphics.
Didn't you say on the forums that it was Eye of Judgement? That's not really an action game, is it? Or are you working on more than one game?
Yeah eye of judgement I did small work on it, so Im not going to be in the credits. The project were are working on now is a totally new concept of a action game.
??? You haven't been around that long, and you're only developing on the cell, didn't you say you worked on Twisted Metal?
Also, in this thread:
http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 (http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=13740&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0)
You say you are working on Eye of Judgement, which isn't an adventure game, and is actually a SCEJ game...
The Cell is the first thing im developing for in console wise. The PSP isn't a console ;)
heerokenshin
05-27-2006, 18:19
. Since I havn't been around that long the CELL is the first thing that I would actually develope for
those r your words
ps3 Wanna be
05-27-2006, 18:23
Thanks for clearing that up Kev. In case you missed my new questions above:
Do you know the final specifications (I know you can't talk to us about them), or is it still a case of "Design and specifications are subject to change without notice"?
When you want to release information or media for your game(s), do you have to go to Sony first for approval?
Have you received the final devkit?
Upon meeting Ken Kutaragi, what are you more likely to do: hug him, or give him a swift kick in the nuts?
Feel free to ignore this question, if need be. :)
RPGDreamer
05-29-2006, 04:29
The Cell is the first thing im developing for in console wise. The PSP isn't a console ;)
Yes, it is. It's a handheld gaming console.
The Cell is the first thing im developing for in console wise. The PSP isn't a console ;)
Yes, it is. It's a handheld gaming console.
Handheld and Console in the same sentence contradicts themselves. Anyway, I'll get back to answering these question tommorow.
Please everyone...I am trying to get real good questions for Kevin here. It might be better if you let us know how much you can say about the PS3 and the games in which you are working on. I am surprised you yourself haven't found out and typed up your own articles on information you have. I guess it would be kinda touchy to write articles in your situation because you dont want to get fired for breaking NDA rules either.....
Anyway....find out how much you can say, seeing as that would help in the Questions I would ask.
RPGDreamer
05-29-2006, 14:21
[quote="PS Gamer":5egajaf1]
The Cell is the first thing im developing for in console wise. The PSP isn't a console ;)
Yes, it is. It's a handheld gaming console.
Handheld and Console in the same sentence contradicts themselves. Anyway, I'll get back to answering these question tommorow.[/quote:5egajaf1]
It'd be cool if you could explain that to me, and what you label the PSP as.
I always thought that a game console was anything that lets you play games, and after talking to quite a few people who are in the business as well, I've yet to get another opinion. You're the first person I'm met who thinks handhelds are something entirely different; especially considering that the technology in handhelds are usually just technology that used to be used on the bigger machines.
omg......who cares what its called, I want to find about about the PS3 and its games.
[quote="PS Gamer":1znqv6q0]
The Cell is the first thing im developing for in console wise. The PSP isn't a console ;)
Yes, it is. It's a handheld gaming console.
Handheld and Console in the same sentence contradicts themselves. Anyway, I'll get back to answering these question tommorow.
It'd be cool if you could explain that to me, and what you label the PSP as.
I always thought that a game console was anything that lets you play games, and after talking to quite a few people who are in the business as well, I've yet to get another opinion. You're the first person I'm met who thinks handhelds are something entirely different; especially considering that the technology in handhelds are usually just technology that used to be used on the bigger machines.[/quote:1znqv6q0]
Handheld is something you hold in your hand ect. while console is something that is placed on a "console" and played on a TV, or thats how I always viewed it.
Anyway, sorry for being gone so long...I took a small break and now im back.