View Full Version : Sony,Toshiba officially end unfied format talks(new 08/23/05
Nasty Gnasher
08-23-2005, 09:19
Sony, Toshiba give up on unified DVD format-paper
Tuesday 23 August 2005, 8:07pm EST
TOKYO, Aug 23 (Reuters) - Groups headed by Toshiba Corp. (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and Sony Corp. (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) offering competing technologies for next-generation DVDs have given up efforts to develop a unified format, the Yomiuri newspaper reported on Tuesday.
For three years, the two groups have pushed to have their respective technology standards adopted to gain dominance in the multibillion-dollar markets for DVD players, PC drives and optical discs.
Toshiba, along with NEC Corp. (6701.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and Sanyo Electric Co. (6764.T: Quote, Profile, Research), has been promoting HD DVD, while Sony and Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. (6752.T: Quote, Profile, Research), the maker of Panasonic brand products, have been developing a technology known as Blu-ray.
The two groups have held negotiations on unifying their formats to persuade consumers to shift to advanced discs and to promote growth in the industry.
But negotiations fell through as neither side yielded, and time ran out to develop a format before the launch of new products from both groups, the paper said.
Officials at Toshiba and Sony were not immediately available for comment.
Sony's Blu-ray technology is also backed by Dell Inc. (DELL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and South Korea's Samsung Electronics Co. (005930.KS: Quote, Profile, Research).
At the core of both formats are blue lasers, which have a shorter wavelength than red lasers used in current DVD equipment, allowing discs to store data at higher densities needed for high-definition movies and television.
So all hopes have now been OFFICIALLY shattered.
The battle will once again (like betamax and vhs) b fought on the battlefied ... or shud i call it "battleshelves" :)
Ok, so who's supporting who now ?
PS Party
08-23-2005, 09:51
Call me a 'fanboy' all you like but my aliegence is with Blu-ray all the way.
In my book any software that can store more info (50+gig vs 30 gig) is always going to be the winner.And I bet the marority of consumers feel the same way.
Goldfiinger
08-23-2005, 09:55
Depends what the industry goes for but u'd have thought they'd be siding with Bly-Ray which looks to be the case. So hopfully it'll be simple. :?
the news comes to no surprise, Toshiba would never give in to their precious HD-DVD players.
spiderman
08-23-2005, 10:11
well HDDVD is losing support and BLU RAY is get lots so i don't think HDDVD can win
Nasty Gnasher
08-23-2005, 10:16
Isnt it odd ....
Sony's working with Toshiba with the Cell processor and at the same time its battling Toshiba over the HDDVD issue ... freaky ?
So when they say "keep ur friends close and ur enemies closer" .. how does it work in a situation like this :| ??
Suicide Samurai
08-23-2005, 10:18
As far as I can see, the only things that HD-DVD has over Blu-Ray is cheaper manufcturing and support from Warners Bros. And that's apparently waning too...
One thing I hope is that there will be a winner, and that the market won't remain divided so that we'll all have to buy HD-DVD players to be able to watch all the movies we want.
we'll see increasing support for the Blu-ray format, because the movie industries will see how popular Blu-ray is, just like the UMD format.
Nasty Gnasher
08-23-2005, 10:22
we'll see increasing support for the Blu-ray format, because the movie industries will see how popular Blu-ray is, just like the UMD format.
Same here, I'm expecting more support now too ... now that these talks of a unified format have been officially announced "inconclusive".
Warner Bros. , Paramount mayb thinking about Blu-ray support just as i'm typing this post.
Boogie Woogie
08-23-2005, 10:24
Every week or so more companies jump on the blu-ray bandwagon . Toshiba is fighting a losing battle here . This next gen format war is already over before its begun -> PS3 . If you can't beat em , join em .
Showdown
08-23-2005, 18:19
So they were still negotiating that whole time? Jeez, if I had known that they were still negotiating I would have thought that Toshiba would have been starting to give in by now. They're loosing so much support it would be idiocy not to find some sort of agreement, sigh... I guess nothings going to sway them. We're in for the long haul now. :(
stevefarfan
08-23-2005, 18:36
It's probably not what you think, maybe the technologies are really just incompatible.
Nasty Gnasher
08-23-2005, 18:39
It's probably not what you think, maybe the technologies are really just incompatible.
Exactly .... the incompatibility was the reason to go for a hybrid disc.
Both camps spent millions (mayB 2 or 3 billion) on their technology ... they couldnt just go for one disc over the other ... another disc would have to b formed to take advantage from the software and/or hardware features of the HDDVD and Blu-ray.
stevefarfan
08-23-2005, 19:00
Yeah, both camps really need to throw away their egos and create a single format. Everyone knows Blue-ray is winning, and that means the money is gonna go to them. If that company came up to you offering you what is essentially guaranteed money, wouldn't you jump instantly at the opportunity?
I understand it really sucks to say you've been researching something else for several years, and find that it might not work out. However, it's not smart to go down a road that won't work.
unr3stricted
08-23-2005, 20:32
Call me a 'fanboy' all you like but my aliegence is with Blu-ray all the way.
In my book any software that can store more info (50+gig vs 30 gig) is always going to be the winner.And I bet the marority of consumers feel the same way.
I don't see how that would be a "fanboy" issue. Blu-Ray is clearly the supperior product.
I kind of look at it like HD-DVD would only be another half-step like the DVD was. I mean, when you think about it, the BlueRay is a real jump in storage technology and the DVD only lasted how long?
It's pretty obvious that we should be more forward thinking in our choice this time around, because it would be very uncool to have to keep jumping optical discs every five years. In that regard, it would be far better just to go with the biggest amount of storage possible. How long did the VHS last compared to the DVD? I mean, when you stop and think about it, the DVD was almost a pathetic little step in optical media like the eight track of disc technology. I'd rather not rehash it a little bit just to have to get something like BlueRay in another five years anyways just because movies and TVs will start going to 1280p or whatever.
I dont really care about the fact that BD-Rom is on the PS3 except it shows me that Sony is at least dedicated to the idea of making their consoles keep up with the technology curve, just like they did with the PS1 and CDs and the DVD player in the PS2. Between me and my girlfriend we have about four DVD players (two computers, an entertainment center, and a PS2). I just think that we should forget this hype about manufacturing costs and whatnot when it comes to the HD-DVD. Heaven knows that noone was able to re-tool a CD printer to make DVDs and yet the DVD industry was huge! Do you want to hang on to an old technology just because it makes some fat-cats at Hollywood happier? Do you want to come right back around to BD-Rom in five to ten years because the HD-DVD couldn't hold up? I don't.
so what this means is that HD-DVD players are dead?
and the xbucks 360 will not have a HD-DVD player.
awsome news
stevefarfan
08-24-2005, 00:09
Yeah, in a world where things move too fast, it's good to have something that's stable for awhile. The best way to do it, is to take the biggest thing that is available until some new technology doesn't just inch past it, but severly beats it. Like the holographic cd.
Showdown
08-24-2005, 02:47
so what this means is that HD-DVD players are dead?
and the xbucks 360 will not have a HD-DVD player.
awsome news
Well not yet it isn't. :lol: Rumor has it that the Premium version of the 360 will come with a HD-DVD but this is again just rumor for now.
This wasn't a surprise at all. With HD-DVD taking pot shots at Blu-ray, this scenario was a given.
Showdown
08-24-2005, 03:29
This wasn't a surprise at all. With HD-DVD taking pot shots at Blu-ray, this scenario was a given.
Sadly so, but at least we had hope for a little while, now all we have is a guaranteed format war to deal with, all we can hope now is for it to be over with quickly. :(
agentorange
08-24-2005, 06:39
Iam fore the B-ray. Quality is more important than price. It is a better investment in the long run than Hd dvd which is just a upgrade of the dvd of today.
ghost=unit2
08-24-2005, 07:30
why dont thay just cut the stuff and stop acting like goof balls on a friday night...thay know blu-ray is better...just go with it man...go with the flow....blu-ray is better in my book
Nasty Gnasher
08-24-2005, 09:45
why dont thay just cut the stuff and stop acting like goof balls on a friday night...thay know blu-ray is better...just go with it man...go with the flow....blu-ray is better in my book
I know !!
Im sure a few of the members at Toshiba must b feeling the same way ... "Go with blu-ray, we'r gonna lose anyway" ..
I dont see the point in Toshiba releasing the HDDVD now, its gonna lose even more money in marketing, production and all.
I'd b surprised if they do come up with a strategy to tackle Blu-ray ... if there's one left to strugge for 8) .
In to days newspaper
it said that there will be 2 formats
for the public blue- ray and hd-dvd.
so there will be 2 kinds of next gen dvd playesr on the market,
blu ray and hd-dvd
adamba4e
08-24-2005, 18:28
In to days newspaper
it said that there will be 2 formats
for the public blue- ray and hd-dvd.
so there will be 2 kinds of next gen dvd playesr on the market,
blu ray and hd-dvd
Do you know what newspaper this was? I would like to read that article, do you have linl?
here u go my friend
http://www.newsday.com/technology/wire/sns-ap-japan-next-generation-dvd,0,6152835.story?coll=sns-ap-technology-headlines
Thank you -adamba4e
Nasty Gnasher
08-25-2005, 09:06
here u go my friend
http://www.newsday.com/technology/wire/sns-ap-japan-next-generation-dvd,0,6152835.story?coll=sns-ap-technology-headlines
Thank you -adamba4e
Nothing new ... this news is all over the web ... all sites having confirmations on the end of unification that we had hoped for.
The Chocobo Kid
08-25-2005, 13:17
so they give up on HD-dvd, that's good to high. I want blu-ray dood.
I'm not surprised I knew this was coming but why doesn't Toshiba just go with Blu-Ray to they're going to lose anyway.
by "cinema" do you mean "movie theater"??? anyway i totally agree that watching blu-ray movies at home is better then going to the movies IMO.
i heard about this but i did not think it was true
zeroprobe
06-06-2007, 13:54
Why was this thread brought back from the dead.
SharkOutofWater
06-06-2007, 14:02
by "cinema" do you mean "movie theater"??? anyway i totally agree that watching blu-ray movies at home is better then going to the movies IMO.
Looks like he posted in the wrong thread, he probably wanted to post in the thread about Cinema vs Blu-ray at home that is on the first page.
Yeah - I was about to say "Holy Thread Ressurrection Batman!" ;o)
zetsurin
06-06-2007, 21:15
Thank god they couldn't come to an agreement! I was getting worried that I was going to have to sell all of my blu-ray discs!!!!! :)
This thread is so old, and so many things have changed that it is impossible to add anything constructive. Please let it die again.
Blu-ray or nothing........Blu-ray will win it might take a few years
but it will win........................
Since we missed the HUGE Leipzig show, I really hope that we can make it to TGS. <br />
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Here is the official website: <br />
http://tgs.cesa.or.jp/english/ <br />
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The Show starts on September 19th so thats in like...
Just talked to Seb... it looks like we can't pay for it, so no, we won't be making it.
cheese_riot
09-05-2007, 17:58
Man I would love to go, absolutely love to go...
The plane ticket was a little on the expensive side from Ohio.
I could go since the dates doesn't conflict with my schedule, but by everybody' comments, it looks like TGS is a lost cause. :(
With that being said, how about CES? Any plans for that?
The plane ticket is only $250 for me. But that's neither here nor there.