View Full Version : How is PS3 progressing?
LegendaryArcturus
09-28-2004, 23:52
I'm new here and have been checking on console war recently. The articles I read didn't provide enough info. So uh, how is PS3 progressing? I heard there're some problems like the Blue-Ray license fee, M$'$ abuse of their power and no CELL chip while M$ is abusing their power to have their progress on XN smoothly (at least that is what they said and we can't really trust them).
Well the "cell" chip is near it's completion stages which is good because that means Sony will soon be able to mass produce it. Cell will be in the PS3 it just wont debut in the PS3 first. Likely you'll see the use of the cell in a tv before the PS3. As for blu-ray, I remember something about that but my memory is very vague..however I believe blu-ray is progressing along nicely and we'll see that incorporated into the PS3.
LegendaryArcturus
09-29-2004, 00:07
About that Blu-Ray, I heard it'll use M$ codec and Sony have to pay license fee to M$ if it is going to use Blue-Ray.
Source is here: http://www.ccfx.net/nextboxforum/viewtopic.php?t=435&sid=0ae5bcff7e9dcca6454380307587bc5a&PHPSESSID=4b364d82a076d689c8e9801b922e3920
Anyway, is it true that XN will come out before PS3? I don't really know Sony's complete schedule regarding the CHIP and PS3 so there are doubts that PS3 will come out before XN. There's M$ spreading rumors on how much XN would own PS3 too.
The decision for Blue Ray to include support for VC-9 which is a variation on WMV9 which was created by MS was made by a joint commity part of which includes Sony and does not include MS.
This commity chose VC-9 because it provides the same quality at almost half the bitrate as MPEG-2 and higher quality at same bitrate as MPEG-4. It is a requirement that all Blu-Ray Media players support VC-9 in addition to the other supported formats.
The royality for the VC-9 codec is minimal. Also the standard is now open and is not entirely controlled by Microsoft. The royalty was agreed determined mostly by the commity and agreed upon by MS.
This has in no way held up Sony's ability to complete the PS3 or it's ability to include a Blu-Ray drive in the PS3.
You can have all the money and power in the world, and it will not help a product release go smoothly. Even for Microsoft. Just look at the Longhorn release of Windows. Money and power can only take you so far. The technology takes time and effort to invent and create. You cannot just throw more money and manpower at a piece of technology to speed it up. In some cases doing so will actually slow down a project by adding management complexity and removing your best personel from vital roles and placing them in Management only positions.
Yes, as far as the public knows the Xbox2 (or whatever it ends up being called) is progressing smoothly. But keep in mind that this is in part due to Microsoft's early design decisions. They went with companies that are proven to be able to deliver on their technology promises. They also (based on rumored specs) chose to go with advancements on proven solutions for their next system.
Sony on the other hand decided to build a revolutionary piece of hardware. They didn't have a clear timeline and plan. They just said that this is what they wanted to do. They did get the best and brightest onboard to help design and impliment the concept, but like any new piece of hardware this is expensive and still takes a long time from conception to release. The Cell Chip is behind plans and most likely is not going to be as powerful as Sony originally invisioned. But that doesn't mean that it wasn't worth the investment expecially when you consider long term prospects for the Cell chip. Remember that it wasn't designed solely for the PS3.
Blu-Ray on the other hand is exceeding plans and timelines. It wasn't supposed to be available until about 6 months to a year after it will be. On top of this extensibility in the platform is also exceeding expectations. They are finding that they can do more with Blu-Ray than originally planned. With it's potential future capacity now bording 200gb per disc, they will be able to build on the standard for years to come. Assuming they beat HD-DVD.
One last point of interest. Every Xbox DVD kit sold also has a royalty attached to it. Part of which goes to Sony.
I wish I could know what your position at MS was because you seem extremely well informed about every topic so far. Cmon', how much money are you making a year? 100k? 200k? 300k? What is it man. Your defintally not in the mail room.
Sometimes it's not ones position that is important.
It's who they know ;-)
LegendaryArcturus
09-29-2004, 02:46
I know the CHIP got other uses like PSP2 (very possible), new laptop computers, and it's not just that CHIP has application uses, it'll lead to newer CHIP. :shock: But, I hope it'll be on PS3 since it's pretty much essential to the console of the next generation.
Thank for reminding me of what I have forgotten weeks ago, Xbox2 (at least I called it Xbox2 at the time) is simply a more advanced version of Xbox while PS3 is pretty much new. I'm jealous of your English skills though.
And how much money do you make anyway?
Stop asking the guy how much he makes and ask him questions, like me :D
1. Wouldn't Microsoft 'not' want to share money for every DVD Kit Sold?
2. If it's originally planned to look better than the PS2 they've passed it, but does this mean that the graphics will be as clean and squeaky as Xbox2?
3. You might be telling us fake information or half real and when it comes out it'll be twice as better and we'll be :shock: :shock: :shock: :D just guessing...
-HAha
Yea, you won't get my wage out of me, that is a guarenteed.
The Xbox2 (just like any new generation console) will be entirely new in a lot of ways. But it's just built on know hardware design. This in and of itself is not a bad thing.
The original PS, the SNES, Genesis, NES, Atari, 3do, GC, Xbox, were all built using known hardware.
The PS2 and the PS3 are all using new stuff. But even the new stuff is in part based on known computing principals and techniques. Just pushing the boundrys of what we might be able to do from a manufacturing standpoint. Now don't confuse cutting edge with being better. Remember the first Windows CE devices that ran on cutting edge ARM processors. The things couldn't process their way out of a shoebox. Yet the Palm Pilots cost 1/3rd the cost and ran circles around them.
Of course Microsoft would like not to have to pay a royalty on DVD. But this is the facts of business. They do have to pay the royalty. If they choose to support DVD in Xbox2, they will once again have to pay the royalty.
To make matters worse, the DVD royalty is kind of sketchy in what requires you to pay it. Consider that in the end the Xbox will play the DVD's. But you buy the remote and IR sensor which actually contain the DVD decoder software required to play the DVD's. I don't know details, but being that the Xbox is powerful enough to play DVD's and capable of outputting in progressive scan, I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to force a royalty on every Xbox if MS wanted progressive scan support because it would handle the converting of the DVD content to progressive.
Yea, the info may be fake or half real. Just wait until you see what I post about some of Sony's "Cyber World" plans ;-)
The Cell Chip is behind plans
Where and when did you read that?
Sorry can't grab the links readily. But they originally aimed to have the first cell devices on market by now. The "real" cell chip (the one that does 1 teraflop) isn't due out until 2007 and will be in server boxes.
It has roughly 4 cores on a die with 256+ APU's or "cells".
Sony wanted that in their console. (who wouldn't). The chip they are putting in is based on the cell technology, but only has 32APU's.
Keep in mind though that the cell technology is really less about speed (against popular belief). It is more about Sony/Toshiba/IBM creating a whole new processor architecture for Consumer electronics in general. Hoping to simplify development across all kinds of devices by giving them a standardized architecture.
They aren't they badly behind, for all we know we might have 'the real' chip in there and your just pulling a leg so that the PS3 will have an edge, how else would you be here :)
The only thing I recommend is this. What reason do I have to lie about what I have heard about the PS3. Consider that if I do lie then in the end you guys will know by what does come out in the PS3.
What I have seen shows the PS3 having a 4 core CPU with 8 APU's per core. A custom CPU based on teh cell architecture with 4 visualizer cores, each with 4 APU and a pixel cache and image cache.
They are also working on a broadband enabled digital TV & a settop box for other TV's that will come out about the same time that will be approximately half power of each PS3 chip combined onto one chip.
Their Server chips that will come out at the same time as the consumer chips will be 16 cores w/ 24 APU's per core on a chip. With the 384APU's these will be about 20% shy of the 1 TeraFlop goal. So they should be able to obtain the original 1 TeraFlop goal by 2007.
One interesting point. Sony was expecting higher adoption of the PSX system. They expected to have almost 500k systems sold worldwide by now. Needless to say they are behind.
Sony also expected to have adoption of it's "FeliCa" card system outside of Asia already. This was in part to enable an access system for their next console and an easy way to pay for Downloadable content like using your GamerTag on Xbox Live. This also hasn't happened yet.
On a side note, yes they are planning 2 versions of their console next generation. One base console around 300$ price point. They will also have an "Advanced" version of the console either at launch or within one year that will hover around a 500$ price point that will contain services similar to the PSX. Though this may no longer come to pass giving the adoption of the PSX being below expectations.
As an employee of a big company you do reply fast, and yes lying is for the better...if you tell SPECIFIC DETAILS on everything, lets take it like this
YOU KNOW EVERYTHING YOU ARE GOD, lol
and you tell us every little thing there is to come of the next gen systems, we would be greedy and say that's not enough...needless to say whenever you type something you try not to put in the real information all in one but piece by piece and having to piece them together you may get a final outcome of the next generation systems....
I am so smart 8)
Are you guys going to get your interviews done!!!
Dusty, you have had all this info on three different companies and you havent done much with it except for Logitech....are you going to get that info up soon?
heerokenshin
06-17-2006, 02:28
yea, things have been hectic this week, ill do those tonight,
BTW, you dont need to make new topics, just post in one of the topics about the interviews, it clutters things up
Serjndestroy
10-09-2007, 12:42
Let see how fast we can get you banned..
Legend92
10-09-2007, 12:43
The PS3 is progressing like **** honestly, no games, high price, bad online you freakin name it!
~PAK
mods please ban this user he keeps brining up old threads 4 no gud reason
Taylor1981
10-09-2007, 12:43
The PS3 is progressing like **** honestly, no games, high price, bad online you freakin name it!
~PAK
What rock have you crawled out from under. Go back and shut up. Donkey.
zenkaipower
10-09-2007, 13:39
Glad to see old threads come to life:-?
FuriousJoe
10-09-2007, 15:11
Let see how fast we can get you banned..
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Why did you revieve this thread with a post that makes no sense? Who's getting banned and why?
You should be banned for necroing this thread!
mods please ban this user he keeps brining up old threads 4 no gud reason
SORRY for the contious bump.
But WTF is up with all these new posters all of a sudden? It's like 30 new accounts over night?