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From CES a sum up of how far infront Blu-Ray is already:
Blu-ray has 96% of the HD player market in Japan. In terms of Japan the game is already over there.
Only 4 of the top 20 DVD last year are from HD DVD camp. Almost all the top 20 movies are only available on Blu-ray.
Understanding and solutions believe Blu-ray will sell more discs.
BDA has seen a 700% increase in software sales since mind-Nov. with the launch of PS3 and additional Blu-ray devices.
Top 5 Selling titles to Date in order: Underworld Evolution, Talladega Nights, Fifth Element, Click , Ultraviolet.
Survey from 10k respondents plan to purchase Blu-ray moves to view on their PS3.
75% of the respondents plan to use their PS3 as a primary device for watching movies.
80% of 1 million = an installed base of 800,000.
Same source estimates that PS3 will far outsell the X-Box Drive.
Largest variety of movies.
Largest variety of hardware.
Only gaming console with built-in HD movie playback.
Half of the Sony titles will be BD50GB, despite what HD DVD said.
They will release 18 titles by the end of Feb.
The Decent was 50GB and is the first with PIP, and has BDJ.
They announce more titles than we can type, look forward for the press releases, when they are available
Bob Chapek President of Disney.
Over 20 Blu-ray titles in the first half of 2007, many world wide.
Mic makes loud noise, everyone jumps! Bob says "I didn't realize the other side wanted to win that bad" Everyone laughs.
He goes on to cover the previously announced Blu-ray titles.
From the fox film exec himself:
On Dec 20th BD outpaced HD DVD.
Fox will continue to be aggressive with BDJ.
7-10 titles per month, most will be 50GB.
Will continue with day and date releases.
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Blu-Ray is winning by a huge margin...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/08/live-coverage-from-bda-press-conference/
Yea it's looking like game over for HDDVD now :-P
OKlondon
01-09-2007, 02:04
Great find and confirms what we were expecting.
HellsJester
01-09-2007, 02:08
Isnt the only studio not supporting blu-ray at all Universal?
I believe every other studio is either 100% supporting blu-ray or 50% meaning they put there movies on both formats.
Blu-Ray has been the clear winner for months upon months now who are the people that have to confirm they won?
This, coupled with cracking the encryption on HD-DVD's = good night. I personally don't care which format wins, I just think it's funny because of the people who hate on blu-ray because Sony is pushing the format.
Brace yourselves for an XBox Blu-Ray add on then!!
Killer Instinct
01-09-2007, 02:09
Those Japan stats are so high, 96% of the HD market in Japan is Blu-Ray? This is great news, I bet Sony execs are joyful at the jumpstart Blu-Ray is getting from the PS3.
BlindSight
01-09-2007, 02:10
Hmmm, guess I just won ten dollars.
BluRay seems to have the edge (or at least in Japan), more content, greater supoport.
Stoffinator
01-09-2007, 02:11
Now if they would just lower the price of the damn things.
The built in Blue-ray player was a smart move by Sony, regardless of how many people see it as a hindrance now because of the amount of people still waiting to get theirs. If Blue-ray were to beat HD-DVD, it has another contender which is DVD's. If it can win over that, than this format war would truly be over as DVD's would finally have a successor.
Great find and confirms what we were expecting.
:-D Yep it's funny how people have been trying to tell us the complete oppisite tho they know who they are, but seriosly Blu-Ray is the number 1 format out there, it's got the studios, the space and the base now... Looks like HDDVD is dead already...
dubleskillz
01-09-2007, 02:13
I think it is highly likely Blu-ray wins but it is still too early to say anything is certain.
OKlondon
01-09-2007, 02:14
:-D Yep it's funny how people have been trying to tell us the complete oppisite tho they know who they are, Blu-Ray is the number 1 format out there, it's got the studios, the space and the base now... Looks like HDDVD is dead already...
Exactly now the US and Europe and HD DVD is finished completely.
spandexman
01-09-2007, 02:18
HD DVD hasnt been released in Japan yet so no doubt it Sony will have the market share.
Sony also stretches the words a bit. The top 20 movies of last year on Blu-ray? That may be true but the best selling HD movies are all on HD DVD. HD DVD's are outselling Blu-ray movies by a factor of 2-3. Same with the stand alone players. HD DVD will have 300+ movies out this year too.
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=52113
But like I said in reality both formats arent doing too great. If you compare their launches with the launch of DVD's then HD DVD and Blu-ray sales look like a joke. I really doubt we will see a winner, by the time mainstream accepts HDTV's everyone will get their movies through xboxlive, PS3 online, iTV, IPTV, ect.
Well i've seen enough to confirm it for me like many others, it's simple Sony has the best support now from the studios, what good is hardware without software? HDDVD is already dead in japan do you think bodes well for studio support, Sony are already miles infront on install base of players into homes.
Top Film execs all backing the Blu-Ray format, i'll take there word for it thankyou... I meen what can Microsoft do to catch up now, we even had a Microsoft exec a couple of days ago saying HDDVD is the next betamax failure...
I don't think either format will catch on. No one's buying the players, sales suck. How bout we compare Blu-ray player sales to DVD player sales?
this is good news, i have been reading some of the comments from that announcemment and man, all I can say is people seem to hate blu-ray, why? what did they do to these people? are they xbots? this format is way better than hd-dvd, there is a reason why blu-ray has the support it has.
good news. they need to have a winner now. tired of blue-ray vs hd-dvd. damn sony and damn toshiba. hope we have a winner soon so i can get standalone player
Um you guys do realize that Toshiba hasn't launched their HD-DVD players in Japan yet, right?
Anyway, I don't think either format will catch on.
Blu-Ray has already caught on there's over 800,000 Blu-Ray players in people's homes through PS3 and the films are selling. One guy on here had brought 24 in one day...
The game was over before it even started--I could tell from the studio support. Before either even launched, Blu-Ray had more than 70% of Hollywood's support (It may have dropped a bit now, as certain studios are no longer BD exclusive).
You guys do realize that Toshiba hasn't launched their HD-DVD players in Japan yet, right?
Anyway, I don't think either format will catch on.
And at this rate there will be no need to launch them. Playstation 3 is Sony's Trojan horse in the format war, and is already enjoying a considerable market share over a format that can't drop prices fast enough to match Blu-ray's market penetration via Playstation 3.
HD-DVD will continue to fight, but if they can't find a better way to get into households, I bid thee adieu.
BlindSight
01-09-2007, 02:33
Yeah I guess Bluray has caught on in Japan..
But I still dont expect either to start doing well in the rest of the world for awhile.
Hope Im wrong though, this format war is f**king lame and I would rather it be done with.
Truthfully, I have no need for either HD format at the moment, so the BD playback on a PS3 is just a novelty value for myself.
Blu-Ray has already caught on there's over 800,000 Blu-Ray players in people's homes through PS3 and the films are selling. One guy on here had brought 24 in one day...
How do Blu-ray movie sales compare to HD-DVD movie sales?
(I genuinely want to know, I have no idea...)
Until HD-DVD players disappear I'm sticking with DVD.
Oh and BTW, when I said that Toshiba hadn't launched their Hd-DVD players in Japan I was dead wrong. The article I was reading was from 2005, lol...
spandexman
01-09-2007, 02:36
Guys just because the PS3 has sold 1million doesnt mean every single one of them will use it for Blu-ray.
HD DVD is far from dead. They have 300+ movies set to release this year including major exclusives.
HD DVD movies have been outselling Blu-ray movies ever since they both launched.
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
HD DVD also has sold more standalone players then Blu-ray.
Truthfully, I have no need for either HD format at the moment, so the BD playback on a PS3 is just a novelty value for myself.
I'm with you on that. The Quickest format to less then $300 installed into my pc wins in my eyes.
Guys just because the PS3 has sold 1million doesnt mean every single one of them will use it for Blu-ray.
HD DVD is far from dead. They have 300+ movies set to release this year including major exclusives.
HD DVD movies have been outselling Blu-ray movies ever since they both launched.
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
HD DVD also has sold more standalone players then Blu-ray.
Look, you might as well stop the damage control now. Who cares that HD-DVD sold more standalone players? The fact is, Playstation 3 plays Blu-Ray discs. Like it or not, they count just as much as a standalone. That's 1.1 million additional Blu-ray players out there with the potential of being used. As Blu-ray becomes more widely adopted, people will remember, "oh yeah, I have a blu-ray player". When that happens, guess what? 300+ movies mean nothing when you can't penetrate the home video market.
1.1 million Blu-ray player's in homes now.
70% give or take of Hollywood's support.
HD-DVD's encryption has been cracked and broadband internet speeds will be boosted because of it, leading to widespread piracy.
It may be far from dead, but it's not exactly your 60 year old v8 drinking vegetarian that jogs 10 miles a day.
How do Blu-ray movie sales compare to HD-DVD movie sales?
(I genuinely want to know, I have no idea...)
Until HD-DVD players disappear I'm sticking with DVD. I don't know if anyone would know that kind of data, but:
On Dec 20th BD outpaced HD DVD.
Take that with a grain of salt--as it could mean literally anything.
Glad to see the space is really needed, can you remember certain troll's and other idiots saying it wasn't and it's just bragging rights, well to them people studios are already using 50GB just like we said... doh... how much is to much space remember, play b3yond ;)
Plus like I said be realistic Blu-Ray is already miles ahead and better value, all the tech people that wanted a HDDVD player already have one and the others are just waiting for the price to come down, a standalone HDDVD player costs you an arm and a leg what general consumer is going to get that, PS3 will have it built in. Like some other guy said whatever HDDVD players haven't been released might as well not bother...
Guys just because the PS3 has sold 1million doesnt mean every single one of them will use it for Blu-ray.
HD DVD is far from dead. They have 300+ movies set to release this year including major exclusives.
HD DVD movies have been outselling Blu-ray movies ever since they both launched.
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
HD DVD also has sold more standalone players then Blu-ray. Gosh, some people don't read, do they? It's already estimated that 75-80% of all PS3 user will use it as a BD Playback device--their primary playback device, no less.
Survey from 10k respondents plan to purchase Blu-ray moves to view on their PS3.
75% of the respondents plan to use their PS3 as a primary device for watching movies.
80% of 1 million = an installed base of 800,000.
spandexman
01-09-2007, 02:42
Gosh, some people don't read, do they? It's already estimated that 75-80% of all PS3 user will use it as a BD Playback device--their primary playback device, no less.
A survey of 10,000 people.
Look at the facts, even with 1million+ PS3's and 400,000 standalone players the 600,000 HD DVD players still manage to sell more movies then Blu-ray. Clearly 80% of PS3 users are not buying Blu-ray movies. If so we would have seen a 2-3x increase in Blu-ray movie sales. Sales facts>survey
Great news. If this keeps up, this will be a HUGE advantage for Sony and the PS3.
Naboomagnoli
01-09-2007, 02:44
HD DVD hasnt been released in Japan yet so no doubt it Sony will have the market share.
Sony also stretches the words a bit. The top 20 movies of last year on Blu-ray? That may be true but the best selling HD movies are all on HD DVD. HD DVD's are outselling Blu-ray movies by a factor of 2-3. Same with the stand alone players. HD DVD will have 300+ movies out this year too.
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=52113
But like I said in reality both formats arent doing too great. If you compare their launches with the launch of DVD's then HD DVD and Blu-ray sales look like a joke. I really doubt we will see a winner, by the time mainstream accepts HDTV's everyone will get their movies through xboxlive, PS3 online, iTV, IPTV, ect.
Sony? Why did you say Sony? It's the BDA who stated such a thing. It's not as if the HD-DVD group aren't doing exactly the same thing:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Disc_Sales/CES/CES:_Blu-ray_and_HD_DVD_camps_Reveal_2006_Hardware_Sales_Fi gures,_Both_Claim_Victory/423
BingBing
01-09-2007, 02:47
well for one i dident know were and when this survey was taken and i certanly am going to buy some bluray movies so it seems like only people that have been on that certain cite ansered and hell i bet half the people that got ps3 are going to bluray movie just to see what it all about.
Spandexman, normally in a survey you ask about 1.000 people, and can make an estimate off that. 10.000 people is a very large survey.
The Blu-ray sales have exploded since the PS3-launch. Go figure ;)
A survey of 10,000 people.
Look at the facts, even with 1million+ PS3's and 400,000 standalone players the 600,000 HD DVD players still manage to sell more movies then Blu-ray. Clearly 80% of PS3 users are not buying Blu-ray movies. If so we would have seen a 2-3x increase in Blu-ray movie sales. Sales facts>survey
What facts? Have you got an updated link to that claim on the sales of Blu-Ray movies in the last month? If you have you've got a point if not it's just your oppinion... PS3 is always going to be outselling any HDDVD player on the market so it's only going to get worse for that format especially with near to no-one studio support... Plus 50GB Blu-Ray discs will bet out soon so Sony has the space issue covered...
spandexman
01-09-2007, 02:48
Sony? Why did you say Sony? It's the BDA who stated such a thing. It's not as if the HD-DVD group aren't doing exactly the same thing:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Disc_Sales/CES/CES:_Blu-ray_and_HD_DVD_camps_Reveal_2006_Hardware_Sales_Fi gures,_Both_Claim_Victory/423
I know, thats why I'm saying dont listen to anything either company is saying. Both claim they have won the HD format. But in reality its a close tie and it doesnt look like either will get a large enough lead to become the format leader. Thats why we have dual formats coming out. Like I said before, when DVD first came out it was selling a good 5-6 times better then Blu-ray and HD DVD. Consumers arent ready for a HD format like they were for DVD. And by then time it is we will all be download HD movies through iTV, xboxlive, PS3 online, IPTV, and I assume blockbuster will soon have a online download rental service.
Redrider
01-09-2007, 02:50
Nice to see that Sony released figures from their recent survey, showing that 80% of current PS3 owners are planning to purchase BD movies. So much for the FUD that HD-DVD supporters would like you to believe that very few PS3 owners are planning on buying BD movies. No question that after a late and problematic start for the BD format this good news, and like the 360 market in Japan HD-DVD might as well throw in the towel!
Lead indicators are showing that BD will have a great install base and plenty of studio support this year. IMO wait until the end of 2007 before we say “game over”, but it’s headed that way right now.
I would die laughing if MS came out with a new 360 SKU with a BD player built in! :lol: :lol:
Cyberfire
01-09-2007, 02:52
To shed some light on some actual numbers:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Disc_Sales/CES/CES:_Blu-ray_and_HD_DVD_camps_Reveal_2006_Hardware_Sales_Fi gures,_Both_Claim_Victory/423
Here's the relevant point:
In dueling CES press conferences Sunday, representatives for both HD DVD and Blu-ray used 2006 sales numbers to claim early victory in the high-def format wars.
For Blu-ray backer Sony, this meant emphasizing the one million PlayStation 3 units unleashed on the market in the fourth quarter of 2006. Since each PS3 comes equipped with a Blu-ray drive, Sony's clear victory was in extending Blu-ray's installed base far beyond that of rival format HD DVD, whose supporters announced at their own press conference an installed base of just 175,000 players sold.
Interesting. 175,000 players is far less than I thought it would be. And that is counting all players, including xbox360 addon.
Perfect Sin
01-09-2007, 02:53
This news should help PS3 sales considering people may be a little more confident in the acceptance of Blu-ray.
A survey of 10,000 people.
Look at the facts, even with 1million+ PS3's and 400,000 standalone players the 600,000 HD DVD players still manage to sell more movies then Blu-ray. Clearly 80% of PS3 users are not buying Blu-ray movies. If so we would have seen a 2-3x increase in Blu-ray movie sales. Sales facts>survey
Maybe because at this point they're -- buying games? The holiday season is just now over. Early adopters just forked out 500-600 + games and controllers. They're either occupied with games they purchased, taking a shopping break, or broke.
The majority of people who purchased Playstation 3 purchased it to buy games at this moment. We know this. HOWEVER (and this is where HD-DVD says goodnight) when those who purchased the console for gaming get the itch to pick up a movie at the local Blockbuster, what do you think is going to be used? Do you think they're going to go out and purchase a HD-DVD player? I think not.
spandexman
01-09-2007, 02:54
I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a PS3forum so of course most of you will believe anything Sony says. But if any of you are interested in how the format war is really going then I would recommend you to visit
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ because its less biased there and most of them actually know what they are talking about. Just about all of them LOL'd at Sony statement that the war was already over.
Way too early to decide a winner... and the likely odds are that both formats wind up being losers stuck in a niche market. DVD will still own 95% of the movie market.
The funny thing is that a success for Blu-Ray doesn't mean much for the PS3. Sony has an uphill battle winning the gaming market now with the 360 and Wii doing so well. They may wind up losing a big chunk of the console market in order to win a niche HD market. Not a good thing for Sony.
I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a PS3forum so of course most of you will believe anything Sony says. But if any of you are interested in how the format war is really going then I would recommend you to visit
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ because its less biased there and most of them actually know what they are talking about. Just about all of them LOL'd at Sony statement that the war was already over.
Argue? More like a simple discussion. You seem to have some kind of motive, or personal investment into this format war. I don't know about you, but I'm definitely not here discussing a video format because I have a console preference and agenda towards an "evil" company. I'd hope you are the same way.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 02:59
Yeah the war is definetly over for Blu-ray and HD-DVD. But i'm sure most people have known that since 90% of the movie studios are supporting Blu-ray. While 25% or less are supporting HD-DVD.
DVD will take a while longer to conquer though, i give it two more years. That'll give it enough time for it to come down in price and once that occurs we can say bye-bye to DVD
there is a big difference between stand alone players and built in console. is that people who bought the stand alone player bought it just for movies. now the people with console its mostly for console and they probley will get 1-5 movies. but people with stand alone will get between 20-30+ movies. because there using it just for movies only.
MiDNiGHTS
01-09-2007, 03:07
Yeah the war is definetly over for Blu-ray and HD-DVD. But i'm sure most people have known that since 90% of the movie studios are supporting Blu-ray. While 25% or less are supporting HD-DVD.
DVD will take a while longer to conquer though, i give it two more years. That'll give it enough time for it to come down in price and once that occurs we can say bye-bye to DVD
I dont think that adds up to 100% but I get the point you are putting across with Blu-ray support being high.
DayWalker
01-09-2007, 03:10
it doesn't matter that HD-DVD has not been released.
If the Japanese people are all pretty much on board with BR, they there really is no point in releasing a new format.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 03:13
I dont think that adds up to 100% but I get the point you are putting across with Blu-ray support being high.
Well it doesn't but i was also incorporating the shared studio's.... depends how you look at it :-?
What's funny is this thread, put FOX's bs in its place
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783572
It's a race for supremacy and it's far from over, seriously pull up your socks boys and don't be so gullible maybe you want it to win that badly but prepare yourselves because this war is only going to get uglier.
Dual HD formats existing in harmony ftw!
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I will buy a PS3 for BD moives.
LG is releasing a combo player for $1200 by March or so.
Not a top end player since it only do 1080p24/30, good for my 1080p30 Acer TV though.
This formate war is not going to hurt me,
I bought Beta player and happily used it for 5 years.
MiDNiGHTS
01-09-2007, 03:20
Is there anything going on between these two in Europe? Japan is BD nation and America is a big battlefield but what about the EU?
EU is looking BD for me, a lot of MS hater over there.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 03:24
Is there anything going on between these two in Europe? Japan is BD nation and America is a big battlefield but what about the EU?
Most people in Australia don't seem to know about either formats. People will hear more about Blu-ray once the PS3 has arrived for obvious reasons and i'm guessing HD-DVD will vanish since nobody really knows what it is.
Stores like Target and K-Mart don't even seem to have either format in there stores yet either....
kudoshinchi
01-09-2007, 03:26
I am glad that Blu-Ray is success, but I am still waiting more and more ppl getting blu-ray player and more BD movies than I will know its domnaiting format than I will start buying BD movie other than that I am still going rent DVD.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 03:28
What's funny is this thread, put FOX's bs in its place
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783572
It's a race for supremacy and it's far from over, seriously pull up your socks boys and don't be so gullible maybe you want it to win that badly but prepare yourselves because this war is only going to get uglier.
Dual HD formats existing in harmony ftw!
Why would you want both formats to exist?
What would you do if you go over to a friends house and bring a heap of HD-DVD's along with you to find that they have a Blu-ray player...?
Great news!!! I hope the added bonus of the bluray royalties will give Sony more of a cushion to make a price cut for its beloved console. This could be the start to the strategic killer move that Sony was hoping for all along.
toadayoda
01-09-2007, 03:33
You guys keep saying that these formats are irrelevant because of downloading of HD movies, but you fail to mention how anyone is going to download a 50GB file in any manageable amount of time and then watch that movie on anything except a computer screen. The PS3 and Xbox 360's hard drives are way too small to download the movies there, and even with bigger hard drives, 50GB is still too much. How else will you watch an HD movie except with Blu-Ray?
NightStalker
01-09-2007, 03:34
sounds good to me. but yea still too early to say.
however, i don't get ppl when they say ppl won't use their PS3 to play movies. so they will just go out and pay $500 for an HD-DVD player when they already got the PS3? i don't think so. the reason i bought a stand-alone DVD player is because of my PS2. i was watching on the PS2 until that happened. ppl will buy blu-ray movies just to test out the PS3. i really see blu-ray winning. just give it some time.
anjiru0009
01-09-2007, 03:37
This is great news, Im starting to see alot of people jumping ship and changing the argument.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 03:39
sounds good to me. but yea still too early to say.
however, i don't get ppl when they say ppl won't use their PS3 to play movies. so they will just go out and pay $500 for an HD-DVD player when they already got the PS3? i don't think so. the reason i bought a stand-alone DVD player is because of my PS2. i was watching on the PS2 until that happened. ppl will buy blu-ray movies just to test out the PS3. i really see blu-ray winning. just give it some time.
Same with me, i was using my PS2 dvd player for at least a year or two before i actually bought a stand-alone dvd player
sounds good to me. but yea still too early to say.
however, i don't get ppl when they say ppl won't use their PS3 to play movies. so they will just go out and pay $500 for an HD-DVD player when they already got the PS3? i don't think so. the reason i bought a stand-alone DVD player is because of my PS2. i was watching on the PS2 until that happened. ppl will buy blu-ray movies just to test out the PS3. i really see blu-ray winning. just give it some time.
say you have ps3 thats it no stand alone player. what are you going to do if say girlfriend mom/dad or brother wants to watch blue-ray movie while your in the middle of playing game. your eaither going to stop playing game so they can watch movie or tell them that they cant watch it . but say you have ps3 and blue-ray stand alone player they wont bother you. thats the problem. good idea that blue-ray is inside ps3 but bigger problem when your in the middle of clan match or some important part in game.
Why would you want both formats to exist?
What would you do if you go over to a friends house and bring a heap of HD-DVD's along with you to find that they have a Blu-ray player...?
I want them to co-exist because they both offer something to the market and even though HD-DVD is smaller it seems they've utilized the space far more efficiently (my opinion).
If I'm going over a friends house I call first! :) See if he's home and then take it from there, don't forget I'm in Australia! Yeah with the Kangaroos (it's not like that at all ;)) so the only ray's I'm getting are the suns ray's from the hole in the ozone layer which is above Oz.
@Bitbydeath,
JB Hi-Fi and Harvey Norman are selling the Samsung Blu-Ray stand alones @ $1,600AUD, right now they are not impressing anyone with their prices.
majinvegeta
01-09-2007, 03:45
What facts? Have you got an updated link to that claim on the sales of Blu-Ray movies in the last month? If you have you've got a point if not it's just your oppinion... PS3 is always going to be outselling any HDDVD player on the market so it's only going to get worse for that format especially with near to no-one studio support... Plus 50GB Blu-Ray discs will bet out soon so Sony has the space issue covered...
Yea for once stop picking on Sony, admit your defeat! stop being cowards! ><
Its clear and obvious as day light that game consoles sell faster than some stinking 500 dollar worth movie players. Although there are people who would pay that much, the PS3 sounds like THE BEST deal, and THE BEST way to go.
And as I have said countless times, Hollywood cares about $$$. If they don't get $$$, they fail! So, if PS3 has 1 million + units, and lets say HD-DVD only has 500,000, then obviously there is a higher rate of sales on Blu-Ray than there would be on HD-DVD. So why would anyone want to make movies for HD-DVD? exactly.
Software alone doesn't make the difference, the hardware needs to be in peoples hands in order for a win to happen. Just like PS2, why do you think so many 3rd party developers supported it? even considering they all complained it was more complex and difficult to program or develop games for. Reason is, because PS2 has 100 million units, no console is even close to that, PS2 left all competition in the dust. So a developer has such a great chance of making a game sale on PS2 than they do on any other console. If 10% of the people bought a specific game on PS2, they just sold 10 million copies of that game, which is A LOT of money. As compared to 10% of Xbox or Nintendo Gamecube sales.
So as PS3 starts picking up sales and units become more available, then there will be even a larger difference in terms of hardware units sold between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray. This is the beauty of having a next gen movie drive in a gaming machine, especially Sony's (Considering sales of PS2 and PS1).
Redrider
01-09-2007, 03:46
Way too early to decide a winner... and the likely odds are that both formats wind up being losers stuck in a niche market. DVD will still own 95% of the movie market.
The funny thing is that a success for Blu-Ray doesn't mean much for the PS3. Sony has an uphill battle winning the gaming market now with the 360 and Wii doing so well. They may wind up losing a big chunk of the console market in order to win a niche HD market. Not a good thing for Sony.
Thinking that PS3 is in an “up hill” battle after seven weeks? IMO you really need to review how the PS1 and the PS2 started. Posting here is bring a good laugh as the HD-DVD camp is been claiming early victory with a fantasy attach rate of 28 movies sold per unit, and claiming that the PS3 will only have a 5 movie attach rate. What was the HD-DVD camp suppose to say (well, we had a strong lead until Q4…)? :confused:
What if both were in the same room (PS3 and Blue-ray player) sharing the same TV? How hard is it to switch off playing just to view a couple Blue-ray movies. Thats more of a personal problem and not condoning common courtesy to some guests you may have or ignoring family member requests to view features on the PS3. It still nice to have Blue-ray player that standalone but having it included already in the PS3 is a bonus.
Bitbydeath
01-09-2007, 03:47
Harvey Norman never impresses me with there prices.... i'm in Australia too :-)
What if both were in the same room (PS3 and Blue-ray player) sharing the same TV? How hard is it to switch off playing just to view a couple Blue-ray movies. Thats more of a personal problem and not condoning common courtesy to some guests you may have or ignoring family member requests to view features on the PS3.
Don't forget that in the march update they are meant to be introducing multi-tasking which i heard may not be just for music ;-) (yet to be confirmed)
Typical guy
01-09-2007, 04:03
there is a big difference between stand alone players and built in console. is that people who bought the stand alone player bought it just for movies. now the people with console its mostly for console and they probley will get 1-5 movies. but people with stand alone will get between 20-30+ movies. because there using it just for movies only.
I bought the 500 stand-alone player the month after it came out because I have no cable TV in the house I live in and I wanted to watch movies in good quality. At the time, Blu-Ray was months away from being released and even once it was released, it was plagued with problems and most of the early movies were reviewed as looking worse than regular DVD.
Anyway, point is, you're right. The attach rate for stand-alone players is far higher than that for a video game console. People buy DVD players for DVDs and PS2's for PS2 games. I have 40 HD DVDs. How many PS3 owners are going to buy 40 Blu-Ray movies instead of video games?
majinvegeta
01-09-2007, 04:07
Thinking that PS3 is in an “up hill” battle after seven weeks? IMO you really need to review how the PS1 and the PS2 started. Posting here is bring a good laugh as the HD-DVD camp is been claiming early victory with a fantasy attach rate of 28 movies sold per unit, and claiming that the PS3 will only have a 5 movie attach rate. What was the HD-DVD camp suppose to say (well, we had a strong lead until Q4…)? :confused:
Yea its funny people say Sony's PS3 is in the up hill battle.
Look you silly little KIDS, Sony isn't a NUB in this business, they won ever since their FIRST console. You know how amazing that is? thats an amazing first impression, to win and leave all competition in the dust with your first release? Look at Xbox, that thing only had 27 million units sold, obviously Microsoft couldn't do it in the first try like Sony did.
Sony has a huge fan base, considering twice in a row they sold over 100 million units, theres at least 80 - 90 million out there waiting to buy the PS3. And if your going to complain about price, then so be it, at least theres 50 - 60 million people willing to buy it, and that still keeps Sony in the lead.
IMHO, Sony will sell more PS3's than a 100 million, many more. But unfortunately I don't really have much proof to back that kind of a statement, so its still just my opinion. But Sony isn't the one in a UPHILL battle, its Microsoft and Nintendo that are in the uphill battle.
Remember, Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. - Sun Tzu. Meaning Xbox360 and Wii are going to war first, SEEKING to win against Sony, not the other way around.
Typical guy
01-09-2007, 04:12
Yea its funny people say Sony's PS3 is in the up hill battle.
Look you silly little KIDS, Sony isn't a NUB in this business, they won ever since their FIRST console. You know how amazing that is? thats an amazing first impression, to win and leave all competition in the dust with your first release? Look at Xbox, that thing only had 27 million units sold, obviously Microsoft couldn't do it in the first try like Sony did.
Sony has a huge fan base, considering twice in a row they sold over 100 million units, theres at least 80 - 90 million out there waiting to buy the PS3. And if your going to complain about price, then so be it, at least theres 50 - 60 million people willing to buy it, and that still keeps Sony in the lead.
IMHO, Sony will sell more PS3's than a 100 million, many more. But unfortunately I don't really have much proof to back that kind of a statement, so its still just my opinion. But Sony isn't the one in a UPHILL battle, its Microsoft and Nintendo that are in the uphill battle.
Remember, Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. - Sun Tzu. Meaning Xbox360 and Wii are going to war first, SEEKING to win against Sony, not the other way around.
I laughed out loud when I read you typed that some people are "kids" but you followed it by using "nub" in the same sentence. Thanks for the good laugh. So anyway, yeah, have you considered the fact that Sony has lost every format war in it's history?
Naboomagnoli
01-09-2007, 04:13
I've probably bought around 40-50 DVDs for my PS2 over the past 5 years, and rented hundreds. I'm not a movie fanatic, but the playback I get from my games console has always been fine for me. Pretty much everyone I know who has a PS2 buys their DVDs for playback on their console. I'm sure the same will be true of PS3. It's not about getting as high attach rates as possible, it's about getting as many sales as possible. Fact is that 10 million PS3 owners with an average of 5 Blu-ray discs each is just as good as 1 million standalone HD-DVD players with an attach rate of 50.
I laughed out loud when I read you typed that some people are "kids" but you followed it by using "nub" in the same sentence. Thanks for the good laugh. So anyway, yeah, have you considered the fact that Sony has lost every format war in it's history?
Like CDs, you mean?
majinvegeta
01-09-2007, 04:20
I laughed out loud when I read you typed that some people are "kids" but you followed it by using "nub" in the same sentence. Thanks for the good laugh. So anyway, yeah, have you considered the fact that Sony has lost every format war in it's history?
Sony supported CD's and got that going, same with DVD's. And I wasn't really pointing towards the movie format itself, but more about the console itself.
Besides, as I said before, because blu-ray is integrated into the PS3, its going to sell a lot more, and a lot faster than hd-dvd drives. There is no console that sells HD-DVD drives built in, only as add-on. Problems with add-ons is then people get to decide, when that happens, you get less sales. But what Sony did was force it, they claim to say that its because games are getting bigger, which is also a factor.
So looking at the positives, its definitely worth having a integrated blu-ray drive for gaming and movie playback functionality. Its clear that HD-DVD is not going to win, unless you can tell me something I am not aware of that will make HD-DVD sales fly off the roof?
Trakdown
01-09-2007, 04:20
Good to know, as I'll be picking up a PS3 later this year w/a projector. My PS2 kept me in good stead as a DVD player, and I'm hoping for the same thing here.
I don't think the battle's over yet, but you have to concede that Blu-Ray currently has the better arsenal thanks to their studio support.
sonicflood2420
01-09-2007, 04:24
yea dude its barely beggining somewhere i heard that DVD has just barely become the standard video player in home in other words surveys now show that more people have dvd players in their homes over VHS players.......it took dvd this long to pass vhs........Bluray still has 5 years to come until it passes dvd
Leviticus
01-09-2007, 04:37
I don't think either format will catch on. No one's buying the players, sales suck. How bout we compare Blu-ray player sales to DVD player sales?
You know what funny I never had a true dvd player(only the ps2) and now I have a Blu-ray player in the ps3 and I know there are other like me.
Besieged
01-09-2007, 04:38
I laughed out loud when I read you typed that some people are "kids" but you followed it by using "nub" in the same sentence. Thanks for the good laugh. So anyway, yeah, have you considered the fact that Sony has lost every format war in it's history?
Lol, what do you think HI-8 video camcorder tapes are (hint betamax). I'd rather go with a company that trying new ideas than ones that play safe.
Anyway, point is, you're right. The attach rate for stand-alone players is far higher than that for a video game console. People buy DVD players for DVDs and PS2's for PS2 games. I have 40 HD DVDs. How many PS3 owners are going to buy 40 Blu-Ray movies instead of video games?
The question is, even if theres a higher attach rate, there are less stand alone players, so ultimately its total volume sales that count. PS3 console owners dont have to have a high BD attach rate to surpass HD-DVD sales. As for how many BD movies I will own, probably as much as my DVD collection which is well over 40 titles, and I dont own a stand alone player.
JadedRaverLA
01-09-2007, 04:41
Why are people saying that HD DVD players haven't even launched in Japan. That simply isn't so. Titles and players are widely available in Japan... they just aren't selling. In fact, the players launched there before the U.S. launch.
First gen launch from March:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/31/toshiba_hd-dvd_hd-xa1_on_sale/
http://www.cio.com/blog_view.html?CID=19788
Second gen launch from November:
http://www.physorg.com/news82827831.html
MacDrizzle
01-09-2007, 04:48
Sony doing big things like alwasy!
NightStalker
01-09-2007, 04:54
say you have ps3 thats it no stand alone player. what are you going to do if say girlfriend mom/dad or brother wants to watch blue-ray movie while your in the middle of playing game. your eaither going to stop playing game so they can watch movie or tell them that they cant watch it . but say you have ps3 and blue-ray stand alone player they wont bother you. thats the problem. good idea that blue-ray is inside ps3 but bigger problem when your in the middle of clan match or some important part in game.
but my point is at 1st ppl will use it to watch movies. and if they really like it they will go get a stand-alone when the situation you mentioned starts to arise. i don't think PS3 oweners will go buy HD-DVD players. unless they dont' plan to use the PS3 to play movies at all.
It's like the 3rd punch of a 4 hit combo. The final blow hasn't come yet, but it's going to happen.
Let's see if HD-DVD can stand after the end of the combo.
The last hit combo will be the lowering price of stand alone BD players to match or nearly match HD-DVD and movies (ride the wave of the PS3 component).
If HD-DVD stands up, it can counter, if it can't. It's pretty much game over.
About both formats losing. That's a clear lie now. Since Adoption of movies is clearly favorable.
Anyone studio who is planning to release 7-10 titles a month is seeing green.
I wish I had the earily DVD adoption numbers, so we can compare. No one is expecting for BD/HD-DVD to take over DVD in one year.
It's a slow road up, but it's a road up.
Silver&black_Attack
01-09-2007, 04:59
Yea its funny people say Sony's PS3 is in the up hill battle.
Look you silly little KIDS, Sony isn't a NUB in this business, they won ever since their FIRST console. You know how amazing that is? thats an amazing first impression, to win and leave all competition in the dust with your first release? Look at Xbox, that thing only had 27 million units sold, obviously Microsoft couldn't do it in the first try like Sony did.
Sony has a huge fan base, considering twice in a row they sold over 100 million units, theres at least 80 - 90 million out there waiting to buy the PS3. And if your going to complain about price, then so be it, at least theres 50 - 60 million people willing to buy it, and that still keeps Sony in the lead.
IMHO, Sony will sell more PS3's than a 100 million, many more. But unfortunately I don't really have much proof to back that kind of a statement, so its still just my opinion. But Sony isn't the one in a UPHILL battle, its Microsoft and Nintendo that are in the uphill battle.
Remember, Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win. - Sun Tzu. Meaning Xbox360 and Wii are going to war first, SEEKING to win against Sony, not the other way around.There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
but my point is at 1st ppl will use it to watch movies. and if they really like it they will go get a stand-alone when the situation you mentioned starts to arise. i don't think PS3 oweners will go buy HD-DVD players. unless they dont' plan to use the PS3 to play movies at all.
did you not read what i said. the problem with having ps3 as the only blue-ray player is that how can someone else watch blue-ray movies while your playing game??? you cant. eather your getting off the ps3 or there not watching movie. now in the other hand say you have blue-ray stand alone out side and ps3 in room. no one bothers you because theres one outside. sony did a good idea about ps3 with blue-ray bad part is one has to scrafice for the other
There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
ps2 debuted at 39,000 yen. sheesh you americans;)
Leviticus
01-09-2007, 05:19
There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
Yea and the reason is the ms needed a headstart, because if they didnt come out early they would be in 3rd palce.
However imo; sony will not be in 3rd place for long, it just how long before they get back to the top.
ps2 debuted at 39,000 yen. sheesh you americans;)
how much is that?? i dunno
Leviticus
01-09-2007, 05:24
did you not read what i said. the problem with having ps3 as the only blue-ray player is that how can someone else watch blue-ray movies while your playing game??? you cant. eather your getting off the ps3 or there not watching movie. now in the other hand say you have blue-ray stand alone out side and ps3 in room. no one bothers you because theres one outside. sony did a good idea about ps3 with blue-ray bad part is one has to scrafice for the other
Ok they just have to srafice to wait to watch a movie.
there other things the can do; like clean ther room, wash the car, and jogging, or they do the gamer a fav. to watch the movie then.
There is nothing wrong with sracfice it part of life they need to get us to it anyway.
Ok they just have to srafice to wait to watch a movie.
there other things the can do; like clean ther room, wash the car, and jogging, or they do the gamer a fav. to watch the movie then.
There is nothing wrong with sracfice it part of life they need to get us to it anyway.
if i ever do get ps3 or hd-dvd add-on i will also buy stand alone so i dont have to deal with any problems like that. sure cost alot of money but hey
did you not read what i said. the problem with having ps3 as the only blue-ray player is that how can someone else watch blue-ray movies while your playing game??? you cant. eather your getting off the ps3 or there not watching movie. now in the other hand say you have blue-ray stand alone out side and ps3 in room. no one bothers you because theres one outside. sony did a good idea about ps3 with blue-ray bad part is one has to scrafice for the other
That didn't stop millions of people from using the PS2 as their sole DVD player. Why would it all of a sudden be a problem for PS3?
how much is that?? i dunno
450ish, give or take exchange rates at that time add in inflation and everything.
Hard to remember exchange rates. Japan it was pretty high back then.
Though Japan does have a higher level of income then US...somewhat. More like a higher cost of living.
So a price drop of $100 in less then a year is not impossible.
A lot of posts here are dealing with anectodotal evidence of what the poster's habits/wants are. Sony is looking at the big picture of what a large portion of the installed base will do. When they sample 10,000 people (which is actually a large sample size even if there were up to 1,000,000 owners, many political polls use a couple thousand for the whole country) they are using that data to know if and how many movies they will purchase on average. And that is off current actual owners. They will have already done research via focus groups that this would most likely happen before they had decided to include Blu-ray. That is why there is already an impact being seen so early on with only 1 million PS3s shipped to NA.
Stand-alone players for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD have been out for months but when PS3 launches, that is when Blu-ray gets boosted. Obviously the stand-alone players were not having as much of an impact before PS3 came along. Also the survey was about planning on purchasing Blu-ray movies - there is also the whole rental market to consider. For people that have the PS3, although they may not be thinking of movies now, if they go into Blockbuster and see BD discs there, why wouldn't they rent that if they have a PS3? Blockbuster kept DVDs the same price as VHS so it is possible that the price would be the same for these as well. These rentals would then drive the creation of more BDs.
A lot of posts here are dealing with anectodotal evidence of what the poster's habits/wants are. Sony is looking at the big picture of what a large portion of the installed base will do. When they sample 10,000 people (which is actually a large sample size even if there were up to 1,000,000 owners, many political polls use a couple thousand for the whole country) they are using that data to know if and how many movies they will purchase on average. And that is off current actual owners. They will have already done research via focus groups that this would most likely happen before they had decided to include Blu-ray. That is why there is already an impact being seen so early on with only 1 million PS3s shipped to NA.
Stand-alone players for both Blu-ray and HD-DVD have been out for months but when PS3 launches, that is when Blu-ray gets boosted. Obviously the stand-alone players were not having as much of an impact before PS3 came along. Also the survey was about planning on purchasing Blu-ray movies - there is also the whole rental market to consider. For people that have the PS3, although they may not be thinking of movies now, if they go into Blockbuster and see BD discs there, why wouldn't they rent that if they have a PS3? Blockbuster kept DVDs the same price as VHS so it is possible that the price would be the same for these as well. These rentals would then drive the creation of more BDs.
Monthly subscription rentals like BB online or netflix etc cost the same since it's subscription based.
There has been a big raise in BD movies according to rentals, this holiday season. Why would I want to rent Xmen3 in DVD when I can do it in BD?
majinvegeta
01-09-2007, 06:39
There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
Funny, you make it sound like Sony hasn't been through a situation like this in the past, thats why I called people KIDS in here, because they haven't seen PS2 and PS1's situation.
If you recall the previous releases, you will see similar situations. Times change, economy changes, back then $300 was a hefty price, especially for a game system. To fork over $300 to play on a machine that didn't even come with any games was pricey, just like today people say $500 is expensive.
So really, its not a big difference, I think its about the same. And of course there are good games coming out, have you not seen the titles to come for 2007? there are many AAA titles that gamers are looking forward to.
Again, its not an uphill battle for Sony, they are the winners in the industry, just because its been 7 weeks and Sony is in last place doesn't mean they lost the battle. Consoles live for 4 - 5 years, for Sony its even more and that being the case, there is A LOT of time for changes to occur.
I'd like to add a little point regarding Blu-Ray
First post at this topic Blu-Ray already won at Japan and they are true, coz most Blu-Ray player and PC drive has been released for along time before PS3 released.
And about Blu-Ray the Win, it maybe true. Because i live at asian region and almost electronic industry has very big campaign in blu-ray either HD-DVD i dont see a big campaign like Blu-Ray.
Honestly if Blu-Ray win over Japan, electronic industry at japan most likely will pushed Blu-Ray to win at asia region. And if Blu-Ray win at asian region, very automatically will be more blu-ray player on market and because it pushed with PS3. Name brand of PlayStation is very large scale at asia region either Xbox brand have a little scale and most people dont know what is Xbox ???
Asia are known have big piracy DVD Movies or Games, so if Blu-Ray win over Japan. This can make Blu-Ray popular like DVD and not for long to be piraced, because a lot of player and PC drive at asia. Remember China who make DVD Games for PS2 can be copied into cheap DVD, this will make Blu-Ray copied for cheap again like DVD.
And if Sony moved their production PS3 at China, this make is very possible to copied into cheap version of Blu-Ray.
So final word, asia region will take big massive attack. And Sony Brand still great alongside with SAMSUNG. Samsung and Sony is one alliance, and we (asia) have big favour of these 2 brand.
There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
Yet they've already outsold the original Playstation and PS2 amounts within the same amount of time, while doubling the price. Let's induce a little logic here.
Playstation: Over 100 million sold/shipped/whatever
Playstation 2: Over 100 million sold/shipped/whatever
Playstation 3: It's launch outsold both previous iterations.
Playstation brand: Dominant market leader for 10 years. 200 million consoles moved in 10 years. Current playstation is selling better then the previous generations. If only half of Sony's base purchase a PS3, it's still going to be one hell of a mountain for Microsoft and Nintendo to climb.
Saying it's a whole new ball game is just plain ignorant. It's obvious the most expensive console is going to have the slowest roll starting off. However, once the ball gets rolling downhill, and that price drops, look out for that momentum. I'll say it again: The console war is not a race, it is a marathon. You don't sprint ahead the first year and claim victory. It doesn't work that way. With that being said, exactly how is it a new ball game? I'd really like to know.
A survey of 10,000 people.
Look at the facts, even with 1million+ PS3's and 400,000 standalone players the 600,000 HD DVD players still manage to sell more movies then Blu-ray. Clearly 80% of PS3 users are not buying Blu-ray movies. If so we would have seen a 2-3x increase in Blu-ray movie sales. Sales facts>survey
I guess you missed the part about the 700% increase in sales then.
There in a distant third place so far, that sound like an uphill battle to me.
And the PS1 and PS2 didn't cost 500-600 dollars either, it's a whole new ball game this time IMO, i think in about 6 months from now we can get a better gauge on the situation, if the PS3 picks up steam as more games come out then good for Sony, but if the console is a hard sell in the coming months Sony should get nervous.
Its an uphill battle but not a severe one. The ps3 is selling better than the ps2 did at launch while the 360 is going at about the same rate as the xbox. That's what matters more so than the actual numbers at the present time.
Trakdown
01-09-2007, 09:37
Yet they've already outsold the original Playstation and PS2 amounts within the same amount of time, while doubling the price. Let's induce a little logic here.
Playstation: Over 100 million sold/shipped/whatever
Playstation 2: Over 100 million sold/shipped/whatever
Playstation 3: It's launch outsold both previous iterations.
Playstation brand: Dominant market leader for 10 years. 200 million consoles moved in 10 years. Current playstation is selling better then the previous generations. If only half of Sony's base purchase a PS3, it's still going to be one hell of a mountain for Microsoft and Nintendo to climb.
Saying it's a whole new ball game is just plain ignorant. It's obvious the most expensive console is going to have the slowest roll starting off. However, once the ball gets rolling downhill, and that price drops, look out for that momentum. I'll say it again: The console war is not a race, it is a marathon. You don't sprint ahead the first year and claim victory. It doesn't work that way. With that being said, exactly how is it a new ball game? I'd really like to know.
I really don't get that "whole new ballgame" arguement, either. I'd like to know the basis of it.
HD DVD hasnt been released in Japan yet so no doubt it Sony will have the market share.
Sony also stretches the words a bit. The top 20 movies of last year on Blu-ray? That may be true but the best selling HD movies are all on HD DVD. HD DVD's are outselling Blu-ray movies by a factor of 2-3. Same with the stand alone players. HD DVD will have 300+ movies out this year too.
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=52113
But like I said in reality both formats arent doing too great. If you compare their launches with the launch of DVD's then HD DVD and Blu-ray sales look like a joke. I really doubt we will see a winner, by the time mainstream accepts HDTV's everyone will get their movies through xboxlive, PS3 online, iTV, IPTV, ect.
Are you kidding me? Where the F do you get your info? Please post. As far as DVD, it took it forever to make it to mainstream. If anything, Blu-ray and HDDVD are very impressive as far as how much they have accomplished in really 1yr's time. Blu-ray is even more impressive considering how many systems out there that are capable of playing the HD format. You couldn't say that about DVD because it was so freaking expensive when it first came out. My first DVD player, which was a top of the line Sony, was over $500. I really don't think many ppl were buying DVD players for $500.
Get real and stop being a hater!!
Guys just because the PS3 has sold 1million doesnt mean every single one of them will use it for Blu-ray.
HD DVD is far from dead. They have 300+ movies set to release this year including major exclusives.
HD DVD movies have been outselling Blu-ray movies ever since they both launched.
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/history.aspx
HD DVD also has sold more standalone players then Blu-ray.
I will bet you any day that less than 10% will NOT use it for a blu-ray movie by either renting OR buying. Guaranteed!!! Who in the freaking mind would not even want to try it at least once to see what it looks like in HD?
I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a PS3forum so of course most of you will believe anything Sony says. But if any of you are interested in how the format war is really going then I would recommend you to visit
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ because its less biased there and most of them actually know what they are talking about. Just about all of them LOL'd at Sony statement that the war was already over.
Well, buddy, in about a year or year and a half's time, I will remember back to this post and laugh. Because, at that time, HDDVD will be dead. Early adopters of standalone HDDVD players (that do nothing else, but play HD movies), will regret their $500-800 purchase of a piece of junk. If you even have an ounce of common sense, you will CLEARLY see that Blu-ray will win this thing. The format has SOOO many things going for it. Excellent, EARLY penetration into the market through the PS3, majority of the movie studios backing the format, HDDVD encryption is ALREADY cracked, much larger capacity... How can you even continue arguing? You KNOW you are wrong!!
What's funny is this thread, put FOX's bs in its place
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=783572
It's a race for supremacy and it's far from over, seriously pull up your socks boys and don't be so gullible maybe you want it to win that badly but prepare yourselves because this war is only going to get uglier.
Dual HD formats existing in harmony ftw!
That link just points to a forum with a bunch of sorry a$$ HDDVD ppl. They're just sulking because they wasted $500-800 on a standalone player that might end up like the betamax. I'd be pissed too. One guy is so touchy about it, he even goes on to say he would stick with DVDs rather than move up to HD on a Blu-ray player. LOL. What a bunch of suckers!!
RavenLord
01-09-2007, 10:50
I prefer the format that's more durable and providing best quality.Capacity is not important.For now, it's HD-DVD.
You can search ebay for lots of HD-DVD movies.I think Bluray will be another Betamax, Mini DV, UMD and MMC...Expensive and preferred less..
I am sure the movie companies that's not owned by Sony, will produce HD-DVD movies also..Anyway, Universal and Warnerbros has great titles.Most of Top 100 in IMDB are from these ones...Give me LOTR, Matrix, Blade or Star Wars..Disney movies sucks :)
I think it is highly likely Blu-ray wins but it is still too early to say anything is certain.
The Huge advantage Sony has with Blu-ray in the PS3, is the not so much HD-ready region Europe.
Heck has anyone even seen a HD player in these parts i havn't.
Even if HD DVD will put up a fight we can now say for sure that Blu-ray in PS3 isn't for nothing. Now it's even more worth it's price. :)
did you not read what i said. the problem with having ps3 as the only blue-ray player is that how can someone else watch blue-ray movies while your playing game??? you cant. eather your getting off the ps3 or there not watching movie. now in the other hand say you have blue-ray stand alone out side and ps3 in room. no one bothers you because theres one outside. sony did a good idea about ps3 with blue-ray bad part is one has to scrafice for the other
So what if my kids or wife want to see another movie than I. Isn't that basically the same problem?
The format has SOOO many things going for it. Excellent, EARLY penetration into the market through the PS3, majority of the movie studios backing the format, HDDVD encryption is ALREADY cracked, much larger capacity... How can you even continue arguing? You KNOW you are wrong!!You know you could argue it the other way as well. HDDVD is cheaper, has a much better standard specification for movies (menu system) and is also the only of the two formats to be supported by the DVD forum for future use.
I'm not saying your wrong but you do have to look at both sides of the picture.
Personally if I could I would take a mix of both formats, the storage of Blu ray and the specs of HD, now that's a powerful format right there!
At the moment I'm only very slightly more interested at how HDDVD goes but that stems more from seeing how far the format can go in terms fo technology rather than any practical use for me personally. HD screens cost way to much at the moment thus my reasoning.
phranctoast
01-09-2007, 11:46
I prefer the format that's more durable and providing best quality.Capacity is not important.For now, it's HD-DVD.
You can search ebay for lots of HD-DVD movies.I think Bluray will be another Betamax, Mini DV, UMD and MMC...Expensive and preferred less..
I am sure the movie companies that's not owned by Sony, will produce HD-DVD movies also..Anyway, Universal and Warnerbros has great titles.Most of Top 100 in IMDB are from these ones...Give me LOTR, Matrix, Blade or Star Wars..Disney movies sucks
Im not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic against hddvd or not. Seems favorable, but I laughed the whole time none the less.
Scotracer
01-09-2007, 11:53
Good, we have a winner. That means I can (hopefully) go out and buy a Blu-ray player (probably via the PS3) without worrying...
eddieaus
01-09-2007, 11:56
i cant see HD DVD win this format war. wait to see Sony/Panasonic/Samsung/Philips/Pioneer start their Blu-ray advertising campaign this year, it's going to crush Toshiba so bad :)
lol man the BDA wish they had won.
HD DVD is not going anywhere in a hurry.
HD DVD has sold five times as many stand alone players as BD and many more movies.
The only reason BDA has any chance of winning is ps3. How long will CE support last if Sonys ps3 keeps undercutting ever single one of its CE support by having the cheapest player?
Out of like 5 or so stand alone players they have only sold 25k, while HD DVD has sold more then five times that with only a couple of players.
This format war sux, I wish everyone had just backed Bluray at the beginning for the better technology that it is, but just because some pompous overpaid marketing dork says something at CES07 doesn't make it reality.
I can even agree to this. Blu-Ray is an uber-amazing line up coming this Spring that HD-DVD just dan't beat.
I really don't get that "whole new ballgame" arguement, either. I'd like to know the basis of it.
History... no console company has ever dominated three generations.
RavenLord
01-09-2007, 11:59
ZOMG !
Now turn on the damage controls :)
51GB HD-DVD medias coming
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/003423.html
Toshiba continues to improve HD DVD storage capacity. At the HD DVD Promotion Group's press conference this evening, the company announced it has developed 51GB triple-layer rewritable and ROM media.
This capacity is up from the company’s previous explorations of a higher-capacity 45GB triple-layer disc. Currently, HD DVD maxes out at a 30GB dual-layer disc. This capacity is 1GB greater than rival Blu-ray Disc, which tops out at 50GB.
The company spoke in terms of getting the disc approved as part of the HD DVD spec by the end of 2007.
Along with all the other benefits and advantages which will probably clobber HD-DVD like a Tyson punch is the fact that the $500 PS3 is one of the best high definition players on the market of any format.
I do believe I hear a fat lady clearing her throat. ;)
eddieaus
01-09-2007, 12:09
ZOMG !
Now turn on the damage controls :)
51GB HD-DVD medias coming
http://blogs.pcworld.com/staffblog/archives/003423.html
Sadly it's still far behind Blu-ray's 200G disc
http://storage.itworld.com/4650/060901tdk/page_1.html
Firewarrior
01-09-2007, 12:18
One thing people must know BD wasn't made by sony theyr'e just a part of it and chose to include it in their console to increase sales and put BD quicker into homes that is all. (Trying to make sony the main "Big" man in BD is absurd just stop it all.)
http://www.blu-raydisc.com/ 170 of the worlds electriconics companies have joined this scheme. Even Apple. (Imagine if apple include BD Drives in their Mac and Imacs)
I found this funny, (Even though he has a good points)
http://bluraysucks.com/
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silentmemory
01-09-2007, 12:20
we even had a Microsoft exec a couple of days ago saying HDDVD is the next betamax failure...
Please don't tell lies.
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Firewarrior
01-09-2007, 12:53
Please don't tell lies.
(25 chars)
He isn't lying but a MS Exec did bring this topic up would be helpful if you kept track of news or not. ;)
Here,
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=51907 :rolleyes:
marasco0815
01-09-2007, 12:53
I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a PS3forum so of course most of you will believe anything Sony says. But if any of you are interested in how the format war is really going then I would recommend you to visit
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ because its less biased there and most of them actually know what they are talking about. Just about all of them LOL'd at Sony statement that the war was already over.
It is true that the format war is not over but it's looking mighty bleak for HD-DVD.
1. The much dicussed studio support in favor of blu-ray.
2. After a poor start the quality of the blu ray discs are now about = to the hd-dvd discs.
3. PS3.
When I was analyzing the consoles and the formats to determine which one to buy I just couldn't shake the fact that every ps3 sold would be an installed blu ray player. This is unprecedented for a new technology and gave blu ray a decided advantage. With the overwhelming studio support for blu ray I couldn't see a way hd-dvd would survive that first year. If there was not blu ray player in the ps3 there would be trouble.
Now the key arguement is in the attach rate- how many people use it for blu ray playback. One factor that I also considered was most people that purchase a ps3 will have a hdtv and thus would like to enjoy the superior quality of high definition. It's not a situation where you have millions of units out there hooked up to standard tv's. Thus I believe the attach rate will be pretty high.
I just can't see a way hd-dvd can win this given the above factors. It's not over but I think the real question is will blu ray become the standard or will people just keep buying standard dvd (god forbid) or will another technology like downloadable content grab the market place. I think downloading high def content is still a ways off because of the huge storage requirements and time it takes to download a 50 gb file...
marasco0815
01-09-2007, 13:00
[quote=tre;979987]lol man the BDA wish they had won.
HD DVD is not going anywhere in a hurry.
HD DVD has sold five times as many stand alone players as BD and many more movies.
The only reason BDA has any chance of winning is ps3. How long will CE support last if Sonys ps3 keeps undercutting ever single one of its CE support by having the cheapest player?
Out of like 5 or so stand alone players they have only sold 25k, while HD DVD has sold more then five times that with only a couple of players.
The amount of standalone players sold vs stand alone players sold is an irrelevent argument. You can't take the ps3 out of the argument as it is the argument.
With regard to CE companies continuing to support- well they will adjust and lower their prices and/or offer more capabilities in their machines. Just as CE companies have always done...there are 100 dollar dvd players and 2000 dollar dvd players.
Tha_Legend
01-09-2007, 13:16
I'm not going to argue anymore because this is a PS3forum so of course most of you will believe anything Sony says. But if any of you are interested in how the format war is really going then I would recommend you to visit
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/ because its less biased there and most of them actually know what they are talking about. Just about all of them LOL'd at Sony statement that the war was already over.
AVS Forum is almost completely biased against Blu-ray even though they "Know what they're talking about." The war is still going on but Blu-ray is showing more potential now.
That link just points to a forum with a bunch of sorry a$$ HDDVD ppl. They're just sulking because they wasted $500-800 on a standalone player that might end up like the betamax. I'd be pissed too. One guy is so touchy about it, he even goes on to say he would stick with DVDs rather than move up to HD on a Blu-ray player. LOL. What a bunch of suckers!!
Yeah :lol: but I meant the link from AVS...
I would love to know what HD-DVD has that can compare to what Blu-ray is offering this year.
20th Century Fox
Sony Pictures
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Disney
You're looking a Pirate's of the Carribean, James Bond, the new Harry potter, A Disney Pixar film and that's just looking at the first half beginning of this year, Spiderman 3 could literally be the nail in the coffin.
If all that doesn't make HD sales boom over HD-DVD nothing will.
It was genious for sony to put the Blu-Ray player in the PS3. Not only were people getting a premium console, but also a media format that typically cost over $1K.
It was killing two birds with one stone...
I wonder if PS3 doesn't win the ConsoleWar (and im not saying it wont), that the Blu-Ray vicotry will still offset some of the losses Sony is currently taking. My guess is yes...
Sony used a double sided sword!
OKlondon
01-09-2007, 14:59
It was genious for sony to put the Blu-Ray player in the PS3. Not only were people getting a premium console, but also a media format that typically cost over $1K.
It was killing two birds with one stone...
I wonder if PS3 doesn't win the ConsoleWar (and im not saying it wont), that the Blu-Ray vicotry will still offset some of the losses Sony is currently taking. My guess is yes...
Sony used a double sided sword!
Well do you think that Sony would mind loosing this gen just so they can secure Blue Ray as the next gen media and make money and increase the reputation of the Cell BE. I think if they come second and secure the future of both these technologies then they will be in the perfect position for ps4. Just want to confirm one thing does MS need Sony's permission to use Blue Ray or is not up to Sony.
silentmemory
01-09-2007, 15:19
He isn't lying but a MS Exec did bring this topic up would be helpful if you kept track of news or not. ;)
Here,
http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=51907 :rolleyes:
I'm well aware of what the MS guy said, and it wasn't that HDDVD was going to be the next Betamax. Please don't defend lying.
WTFyoulookinat
01-09-2007, 16:07
I would love to know what HD-DVD has that can compare to what Blu-ray is offering this year.
20th Century Fox
Sony Pictures
Paramount
Warner Brothers
Disney
You're looking a Pirate's of the Carribean, James Bond, the new Harry potter, A Disney Pixar film and that's just looking at the first half beginning of this year, Spiderman 3 could literally be the nail in the coffin.
If all that doesn't make HD sales boom over HD-DVD nothing will.
There will be more than 300 new HD DVD's this year including Harry Potter and Matrix, so they have something to compete with Blu-Ray.
There will be more than 300 new HD DVD's this year including Harry Potter and Matrix, so they have something to compete with Blu-Ray.
engadgetHD (http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08/warner-unveils-blu-ray-plans-for-2007-have-we-been-here-befor/)
[...]sure that Blu-ray fans are happy to hear they won't be missing out on Martin Scorsese's The Departed, The Matrix, Harry Potter or even a few titles that have already been released on HD DVD like Enter the Dragon. Blu-ray will also be getting Ultimate Collector's Edition discsSo, I think there is nothing that HD-DVD has to compete which BluRay doesn't have.
Also there are much more BD Player in american households than HD-DVD Players.
Yea Ive seen both, but blue ray is definetly better!
BLUE RAY FTW
majinvegeta
01-09-2007, 16:27
[quote=tre;979987]lol man the BDA wish they had won.
HD DVD is not going anywhere in a hurry.
HD DVD has sold five times as many stand alone players as BD and many more movies.
The only reason BDA has any chance of winning is ps3. How long will CE support last if Sonys ps3 keeps undercutting ever single one of its CE support by having the cheapest player?
Out of like 5 or so stand alone players they have only sold 25k, while HD DVD has sold more then five times that with only a couple of players.
The amount of standalone players sold vs stand alone players sold is an irrelevent argument. You can't take the ps3 out of the argument as it is the argument.
With regard to CE companies continuing to support- well they will adjust and lower their prices and/or offer more capabilities in their machines. Just as CE companies have always done...there are 100 dollar dvd players and 2000 dollar dvd players.
Show me proof, where have you seen that HD-DVD has the lead? how many units has HD-DVD really sold world wide? Playstation 3 has sold at least 1 million units, plus you have to add the amount of Blu-Ray standalone players as well.
I agree that the reason Blu-Ray is selling is because of PS3, and thats the beauty. Don't you understand? consoles sell much easier and better than stand alone movie players. Not many like to pay $500 for just a HD movie player, but PS3 is a game machine that includes Blu-Ray.
So I guarantee you that in 2007 PS3 will have so many sales that HD-DVD will be left in the dust. And when Hollywood sees that theres more Blu-Ray players in the hands of the people than HD-DVD, then they will see more profits on Blu-Ray's side. This is what will shut down HD-DVD, and on top of that most of Hollywood is backing Blu-Ray INCLUDING THE PC INDUSTRY.
Well do you think that Sony would mind loosing this gen just so they can secure Blue Ray as the next gen media and make money and increase the reputation of the Cell BE. I think if they come second and secure the future of both these technologies then they will be in the perfect position for ps4. Just want to confirm one thing does MS need Sony's permission to use Blue Ray or is not up to Sony.
Thats what I said here, did you read my post?
I wonder if PS3 doesn't win the ConsoleWar (and im not saying it wont), that the Blu-Ray victory will still offset some of the losses Sony is currently taking. My guess is yes...
And its BLU-RAY, not BLUE-RAY... just a heads up!
Behemoko
01-11-2007, 00:55
i'm one of those 75% who uses it for Blu-Ray movies also, just looking at them on amazon right now, lol
Here in Norway, all the tech-sites are saying HD-DVD already won!:D . They are all anti-Sony
ferrismc
01-11-2007, 11:12
Here in Norway, all the tech-sites are saying HD-DVD already won!:D . They are all anti-Sony
Let them say ! Their bashes won't help. Blueray is far too superior. Install base is x times higher and look at the movie studios !
That would be like in console that Nintendo (=Disney Pixar) and Sony would fight MS.
So who would win of course ? Haha, HD DVD has no chance. Japan is to 97 % under Blueray control.
Usa is going to be and Europe will follow.
Just want to confirm one thing does MS need Sony's permission to use Blue Ray or is not up to Sony.
If Microsoft wants to licence BD tech to one of their future devices, then Sony has to apply by the law. Sony can't deny if someone wants to give money to them and wants to use their product.
There is no denial of service in marketting world. :DD
Its just Sony and the Blu-ray group taking big strides.... they havent won at all. Look, its all on the table now..... the race is really heating up.... If they "won" then HD DVD would be dead, but its not, how much you wanna bet we will be getting HD DVD and Blu-ray into 2008? Come on people, THINK. Just because someone says something doesnt make it true. I bet if you asked Toshiba they wouldnt tell you HD DVD "lost".
Who knows, maybe Blu-ray will win.... its a great possibility, just dont go around NOW saying its already happened when it hasnt. Even the Blu-ray disc group should know that.... but its all marketing and the media.
There is no maybe about it - Blu Ray is winning and will win.
How is this an alien concept? Yes competition is great! Keeps corporations as honest as possible. It drives forward technology! Through competition, things move on.
But Blu Ray has the most manufacturers, by far and away the most studio support and by definition (excuse the pun) by far and away much more content coming out for it.
The "marginal seats" - i.e. the studios supporting both formats will almost definitely move to Blu Ray only when they realise the overwhelming amount of money is in that area.
That leaves 1 studio that isn't supporting Blu Ray. Universal.
So every studio except universal will be making Blu Ray discs, with the vast majority of all studios (75%) being Blu Ray exclusive. Only 25% of all studios will be making HD DVD with only ONE studio being HD DVD exclusive.
How simpler can it be?
Sticks4Legs
01-15-2007, 18:47
First post...yay for me
If I can throw my two cents into the mix
I know this is a competition that has been beaten to death
Disney Vs. Universal
Whether is boils down to theme parks, locations etc
I think this is one main reason that Universal is still staying with HD DVD, to go head to head with Disney in yet another category.
I know here in Canada, the Disney Blu Ray commercials are starting to appear more and more. Low and behold a week or so after they were out you started to see the HD DVD ones
Just my two cents
I'll stick with Blu Ray for now
dori-dori
01-16-2007, 04:42
http://xbox360.qj.net/Porn-Industry-ends-format-wars-chooses-HD-DVD/pg/49/aid/79019