A boost for HDDVD because Copyable !

[ferrismc]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?

[kikkomaniac]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?

short answer - you cant!

and why would you want to copy them?

[CivicFox]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?
No.

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[ferrismc]

ok i didnt really know this and i am sure most consumers do not know about this. sadly , but from now on bluray is dead for me.

well because you never know what happens. children playing with discs, scratching. i am i nuts to buy it again. well if they would give lifetime warranty for it then i would accept but so, me as one of the biggest PS3 Supporter do not support bluray anymore.


i think xbots should USE this argument , it will work better because it is a good argument for HDDVD.

[Scarl]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?

I don't think either format is really that *easy* to pirate or copy... and what quality would the end result be? Blu-ray is definitely harder, but that is actually a point in it's favour as it means much better support. I mean, what is the sense in going with the easier-to-copy format if none of the movies you want will come out in it?


ok i didnt really know this and i am sure most consumers do not know about this. sadly , but from now on bluray is dead for me.

I've always assumed that most consumers just buy movies, they don't rip backups of them (personally I have hundreds of DVD movies and 8 Blu-rays... that would be a year out of my life making backups). Generally copying movies like that is for one of two reasons: 1) Piracy, or 2) to watch the movie on another device.

There is a nasty rumour (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=52511) going around that Sony will be including portable versions of movies on their Blu-ray disks... so if you were interested in watching a movie you buy on your PSP you should be able to without going to all the trouble (and time!) of ripping your 50gig Blu-ray movies.

[beerfest]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?

Since when was HD-DVD copyable in general? Is there something I'm missing about it or are you referencing the guy that managed to get hold of a few of the crypto keys?

[-Damien-]

Since when was HD-DVD copyable in general? Is there something I'm missing about it or are you referencing the guy that managed to get hold of a few of the crypto keys?

a few HD-DVD movies are out in the torrent site now ;)

and no I won't provide any links

[gcubed]

and while some consumers that like to pirate are for it, the studios hate it, so, if copying becomes easy on hd-dvd and still cant be done on bluray, more and more studios will pull their hd-dvd support.

[phranctoast]

this isnt good at all for the movie studios who will see this as a reason NOT TO support HD DVD. This is why Fox and Disney are exclusive to blu ray. Lets see how long Universal sticks with HDDVD now that their discs are so easily copied and distributed.

[P51-SN95]

This could spell the end of HD-DVD. Most Movie studios went Blu-ray because they didn't like the copy protection of HD-DVD.

What you could very well see happen now is Warner and Paramount stop releasing movies on HD-DVD and go strictly Blu-ray leaving only Universal releasing HD-DVD's.

Which would pretty much kill off HD-DVD.

Blu-ray could be burned just as easy once someone figures out the code needed to do it. The difference is that Blu-ray and easily change their code once it gets out that blu-rays are being copied so that all movies produced in the future have to be "hacked" into again.

here this explains it...

http://www.planetxbox360.com/index.php/articledetails/show/1116



Studios’ DVDs Face a Crack in Security

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By JOHN MARKOFF
Published: January 1, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO, Dec. 31 — An anonymous computer programmer may have skewed the competition over standards for high-definition DVD discs by possibly defeating a scheme that both sides use to protect digital content.

The standards, HD-DVD and Blu-ray, are being backed by rival coalitions of Hollywood studios and consumer electronics and computer companies that are eagerly marketing a new generation of digital media players and video game machines tailored for widescreen TVs.

The HD-DVD coalition includes companies like Microsoft, Intel, Toshiba and NEC; the Blu-ray camp has Sony, Philips and Samsung. Among studios, Universal is exclusively backing HD-DVD. Paramount and Warner Brothers also support HD-DVD, but not exclusively. Representatives of Walt Disney, 20th Century Fox and Warner Brothers are on the board of the Blu-ray group.

The two groups have taken different technical approaches in their efforts to prohibit consumers from making copies of movies and other digital material stored on discs. Both groups use an encryption scheme known as Advanced Access Copy System. The Blu-ray system also adds a software-based component that makes it possible to modify the copy protection scheme on new discs if the old one is broken by hackers.

The standards are brand new, but it appears that the two groups’ copy protection schemes are already about to be tested.

The HD-DVD camp may have suffered a setback when the programmer, who identified himself as Muslix64, announced in the Internet discussion forum Doom9 on Dec. 18 that he had successfully copied movies distributed in the HD-DVD format. The note directed readers to a site where demonstration software he had written could be downloaded.

“I was not aware of anyone having done that, so I did,” he wrote.

In an accompanying video demonstration posted on the YouTube Web site, the programmer showed encryption keys for six movies and concluded by stating “A.A.C.S. is unbreakable? I don’t think so. Do you? Stay tuned for source code in January. Merry Christmas.”

Because the encryption system has a hierarchy of encryption keys, simply breaking the system for a single movie does not mean that it is possible to copy all movies.

Technical experts who have examined the software posted by Muslix64 said that it was only a partial solution for making copies of the digitally protected material, but that it did not bode well for the Advanced Access Content System.

“They’re playing with something that is incomplete, but it is still a troubling sign,” said Richard Doherty, the president of Envisioneering, a consumer electronics industry consulting firm.

The programmer has said that he plans to post more software on Tuesday, describing a more complete attack on A.A.C.S.

On Friday, the industry group that is completing the A.A.C.S. protection standard issued a short statement saying that it was aware of the claims but had not yet verified them.

If the person who identified himself as Muslix64 is able to create a complete version of a decryption program, or if others extend the software so that consumers without technical expertise can readily make copies of movies, that would create a crisis for the HD-DVD camp. That system contains a “revocation” mechanism for shutting down HD-DVD players whose encryption system has been compromised. But industry analysts say that taking such a step would give the HD-DVD system a tremendous black eye, angering consumers and shaking the confidence of Hollywood studios in the system.

Today’s DVDs are protected using an earlier encryption technique known as Content Scramble System, or C.S.S. That system was undermined in 1999 by a small group of programmers, and movie studios have said that the new A.A.C.S. would not fall victim to the same kind of technological attack.

The Blu-ray system adds modifiable copy protection software, known as BD Plus, that is based on an approach pioneered by a group of technologists at Cryptography Research in San Francisco as a safeguard in the event the A.A.C.S. is compromised. Industry executives said that Microsoft opposed the Cryptography approach because it would shift control to the studio and away from hardware makers.

If the HD-DVD protection system has indeed been compromised, it was not immediately clear which camp would benefit most directly.

Some posters in Internet discussion groups have argued that the cracking of HD-DVD may increase the popularity of the system among consumers eager to make copies of movies they have purchased.

At the same time, a weakened encryption system could undermine studio support, causing some to turn to the Blu-ray technology instead and giving the Blu-ray group an advantage in offering a wider range of content.

[Behemoko]

Well , i am asking mw how i can make copies of my bluray movies if i go to the bluray side. Beeing a pS3 fan does not mean beeing a bluray fan.

And now where it gladly seems that HDDVD copies can be made easy , i wonder if it works for bluray too.

else i would go for hddvd if not. somone knows more about ?

If they are easy to copy, the prices are going to sky-rocket when it's realized that they need to sell them higher to stay level, lol. This screws you over even more if everyone can make copys because they are just that easy to make, lol. :-) Blu-Ray FTW!

[mrnagy88]

ok i didnt really know this and i am sure most consumers do not know about this. sadly , but from now on bluray is dead for me.

well because you never know what happens. children playing with discs, scratching. i am i nuts to buy it again. well if they would give lifetime warranty for it then i would accept but so, me as one of the biggest PS3 Supporter do not support bluray anymore.


i think xbots should USE this argument , it will work better because it is a good argument for HDDVD.

That's great for you, if you want to copy the same 50 movies over and over again... you need content first, pirating second.

[knowitman]

You can say that HDDVD will get a boost in usage, but that does NOT mean it will get a boost in sales. That is because if they are copyable, then people will copy and use more HDDVDs, but that does not imply that they would buy more of them.

There is also the little issue about movie studios supporting both formats. If one format is easily copied and distributed, and the other is not, what makes the studio support the copyable format as much?

[mcav]

You need content to be able to make copies of in the first place...

[redshift]

Is there a HD-DVD writer out yet?

Could all the pirated HD-DVD movies could end up burned onto Blu Ray! (an unitended boom for Blu Ray)

I agree with previous posters that perhaps this could cause the HD-DVD supporting studios to pause for thought - assuming Blu Ray doesn't get cracked soon as well.

[Steroyd]

:lol:

You know for that very reason alone is why Blu-ray is backed by the whole of Hollywood.

[Delta]

This is starting to be a not so wonderful year for hd-dvd.I mean they have to deal with this breaking of their CP so soon and the mass amounts of blu-ray movies and players that are out and will be out this year so i have yet to hear anything positive from them other than their price point.

I wonder if Toshiba knew this would happen eventualy but chose to go ahead with it in order to get as much sales as they could before it died out.That's one thought i had since they seen the amount of movie studios behind blu-ray.

[snooper71]

ok i didnt really know this and i am sure most consumers do not know about this. sadly , but from now on bluray is dead for me.

well because you never know what happens. children playing with discs, scratching. i am i nuts to buy it again. well if they would give lifetime warranty for it then i would accept but so, me as one of the biggest PS3 Supporter do not support bluray anymore.


i think xbots should USE this argument , it will work better because it is a good argument for HDDVD.First off, your "xbot" comment in this particular thread was uncalled for... Second, and you can see many people in this thread have more than 2 grey cells, your HD-DVD arguement is totally flawed. Do you actually think movie studios will back HD-DVD very long once they realise the medium is easier to copy than Blu-ray?

It may be good for you and you go boy,... you go support HD-DVD for your enjoyment of copying movies. The studios, unlike you, will see a loss in this. Maybe you enjoy running a businesses in the red newsflash movie tycoons don't.