'Everyone Is Equal' in the eyes of the Mods...

[Mikleran]

I believe that the following is a big part of why these forums are deteriorating (as The_One says)..

A lot of members on this forum have each other on MSN/ On their friends lists on PSN. A lot of moderators also have them on there too.. and i think it is meaning that these people can get away with a lot more on these forums.

For example, Knuckles and I were warned for some posts we made in a thread earlier; me gaining 1 point for it and Knuckles getting just a Warning. However, someone else, who i won't name but who knows who they are, started the flame war and ended up posting worse stuff than us, got away with a 'warning over MSN' according to the Mod who warned us.

It also came to my attention with Trinity managed to get away with a heck of a lot more than any user on this forum who isn't a friend of a Mod/isn't 'popular'. After complaints to Admin about blatent racism which could end up with him getting a 5 year Jail term if he said that in public in the UK, he got away with his post being deleted and no warning in the 'Warnings + Bans Section'.

He was only banned a few days later when he lost a bet. Do you not think that anyone else on here would have been perma-banned instantly for that?

Why is this? How come people with large numbers of posts/friends of Mods can get away with so much?

I am not saying this is the case for all mods; there are two Mods on here that i respect and are very good at moderating impartially but others i don't have the trust in.. and i never really did. I know some of them will post in here and will probably warn me for posting this but that only reitterates my case.

If this thread is locked instantly without discussion/letting the poll run then i will know it's simply true...

[Ishimaru Kaito]

I'm not trying to insult anyone but people these days hold a tight grip on grudes

[Seb]

If you feel moderators are not doing there job properly please inform me with supportive evidence and I will do my best to rectify the issue, the same goes for ban worthy members if you spot them seriously breaking the rules they will be banned. However I must see the offence otherwise it would be unfair of me to take someone’s word for it and potentially ban someone unjustly.

[noble]

Here's my opinion, and even though I haven't been around here for a really long time in the grand scheme of things, I do think the signal to noise ratio can be turned back away from the noise and back to the signal if you get my meaning. I really like coming here and posting and talking with the members, but like all large communities, there are some bad elements, and I can imagine that it does get to be hard to watch out for everything, just for the sheer amount of posters/posts that go on in any given day.

I think the forums are getting out of hand because to me(and please don't take any insult in this as I actually don't know any of the mods), some of the mods seem like younger teens to me.

I (and I'm not going to post which one), personally have witnessed a post from a mod stating a blatent lie about the 360 doing the whole, this is why this system sux LOL type of thing.

I understand that this is the PS3 forums, but when you get that kind of behavior from a mod, someone who is supossed to enforce the rules, and lead by example, it can quickly lead to others doing it. Saying if the mods can do it, then it must be all right.

Again I realize this is a hard position, and keeping the peace between some members who are very... shall we say enthusiastic over a certain company/console, can be a daunting task, and a very unenviable one I might add, but it seems that there should be a more stringent requirement for becoming a mod. I don't know what those requirements are, but the mods need to lead by example, be impartial(either in friendships, or console loyalties) when it comes to settling disputes, and above all shouldn't let the position's 'power' go to their head.

Don't take this the wrong way, as overall the forums are moderated fairly well for the size and the scope of the place, but I think with a few tweaks things can run even more smoothly.

[turkmen117]

In my opinion, there are two types of moderators around here. There are moderators that do a great job when dealing with super-spammers or super-trolling and there are mods who deal with the stuff that the other moderators wouldnt do anything about, all the dirty work.
And with dirty work i mean dealing with stuff that would get ignored by many memers because they arent THAT offensive, because they arent THAT harsh.

I've said it before...MAYBE it would be good if the administrators had a meeting with the moderators about a policy check. Exactly WHAT is defined as spamming or trolling?

oh, and members need to trust our moderators, i trust them fully. I myself have 4 moderators on my contact list and i really hope that they dont go easy on me. (i dont think they would, in my opinion, they are great mods and they would know that i would have no problem at all if they locked a topic of mine or gave me a warning)

[Uncool]

If you feel moderators are not doing there job properly please inform me with supportive evidence and I will do my best to rectify the issue, the same goes for ban worthy members if you spot them seriously breaking the rules they will be banned. However I must see the offence otherwise it would be unfair of me to take someone’s word for it and potentially ban someone unjustly.Its hard really, even when SMC are involved it really isn't enough with the amount of horrible trolling and spamming involved nowadays. Its getting out of hand yet again (a premonition I had it would do so during the time of the PAL PS3 launch).


Here's my opinion, and even though I haven't been around here for a really long time in the grand scheme of things, I do think the signal to noise ratio can be turned back away from the noise and back to the signal if you get my meaning. I really like coming here and posting and talking with the members, but like all large communities, there are some bad elements, and I can imagine that it does get to be hard to watch out for everything, just for the sheer amount of posters/posts that go on in any given day.

I think the forums are getting out of hand because to me(and please don't take any insult in this as I actually don't know any of the mods), some of the mods seem like younger teens to me.

I (and I'm not going to post which one), personally have witnessed a post from a mod stating a blatent lie about the 360 doing the whole, this is why this system sux LOL type of thing.

I understand that this is the PS3 forums, but when you get that kind of behavior from a mod, someone who is supossed to enforce the rules, and lead by example, it can quickly lead to others doing it. Saying if the mods can do it, then it must be all right.

Again I realize this is a hard position, and keeping the peace between some members who are very... shall we say enthusiastic over a certain company/console, can be a daunting task, and a very unenviable one I might add, but it seems that there should be a more stringent requirement for becoming a mod. I don't know what those requirements are, but the mods need to lead by example, be impartial(either in friendships, or console loyalties) when it comes to settling disputes, and above all shouldn't let the position's 'power' go to their head.

Don't take this the wrong way, as overall the forums are moderated fairly well for the size and the scope of the place, but I think with a few tweaks things can run even more smoothly.Same I have met some wonderful people here to general chat about anything game related or similar interests in general. However when debates on certain console/companies turn into disputes and eventual flamewars, this place leaves many like myself wishing for the way things were before all this. Seeing it from my view Mod's make the hard decisions of dealing with trouble makers, and sometimes their actions are critisized for it. I too would like this place to become more userbase friendly seeing as many articles and discussions pit people against each other when it comes to expressing varying views. Its very difficult to understand others views when in fact your only accounting your own.


In my opinion, there are two types of moderators around here. There are moderators that do a great job when dealing with super-spammers or super-trolling and there are mods who deal with the stuff that the other moderators wouldnt do anything about, all the dirty work.
And with dirty work i mean dealing with stuff that would get ignored by many memers because they arent THAT offensive, because they arent THAT harsh.

I've said it before...MAYBE it would be good if the administrators had a meeting with the moderators about a policy check. Exactly WHAT is defined as spamming or trolling?

oh, and members need to trust our moderators, i trust them fully. I myself have 4 moderators on my contact list and i really hope that they dont go easy on me. (i dont think they would, in my opinion, they are great mods and they would know that i would have no problem at all if they locked a topic of mine or gave me a warning)I don't see why people question our mods and their position (and more so their authority with dealing with many users on a day-today basis). Mod's can't be viscious or too soft hearted (like me for instance) but I'm sure anyone can agree with handling so many reports, it hard to define the line between what is deemed harmless and what is a serious case that should be taken into consideration.

http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=337

As a refreshment for those who may have forgotten.


I believe that the following is a big part of why these forums are deteriorating (as The_One says)..

A lot of members on this forum have each other on MSN/ On their friends lists on PSN. A lot of moderators also have them on there too.. and i think it is meaning that these people can get away with a lot more on these forums.

For example, Knuckles and I were warned for some posts we made in a thread earlier; me gaining 1 point for it and Knuckles getting just a Warning. However, someone else, who i won't name but who knows who they are, started the flame war and ended up posting worse stuff than us, got away with a 'warning over MSN' according to the Mod who warned us.

It also came to my attention with Trinity managed to get away with a heck of a lot more than any user on this forum who isn't a friend of a Mod/isn't 'popular'. After complaints to Admin about blatent racism which could end up with him getting a 5 year Jail term if he said that in public in the UK, he got away with his post being deleted and no warning in the 'Warnings + Bans Section'.

He was only banned a few days later when he lost a bet. Do you not think that anyone else on here would have been perma-banned instantly for that?

Why is this? How come people with large numbers of posts/friends of Mods can get away with so much?

I am not saying this is the case for all mods; there are two Mods on here that i respect and are very good at moderating impartially but others i don't have the trust in.. and i never really did. I know some of them will post in here and will probably warn me for posting this but that only reitterates my case.

If this thread is locked instantly without discussion/letting the poll run then i will know it's simply true...I don't think there is any form of favoritism around here and if there were it would seriously look bad towards a Mod's reputation and questionable position of authority in the forums. Its very difficult to see how far along this issue will prevail, but I do agree at this point the forums have well gone under in terms of the amount of infractions people are getting and the amount of threads that are derailed by others due to spam and new trollers registering. It's a very difficult issue everyone should consider and do their best to prevant from getting out of hand.:cry:

[Mikleran]

I personally have witnessed a post from a mod stating a blatent lie about the 360 doing the whole, this is why this system sux LOL type of thing.

I understand that this is the PS3 forums, but when you get that kind of behavior from a mod, someone who is supossed to enforce the rules, and lead by example, it can quickly lead to others doing it. Saying if the mods can do it, then it must be all right.

Yes, i've seen quite a bit of that sort of thing on these forums in the past year; it's not common but it isn't totally rare nor just out of context.

On top of that it is not uncommon, especially in the PS3 General section of this forum for Moderators to remove negative posts towards the PS3 from a thread but leave the negative ones towards the 360. It's not so much the reverse in the 360 section but as you said this is PS3 forums.


it seems that there should be a more stringent requirement for becoming a mod. I don't know what those requirements are, but the mods need to lead by example, be impartial(either in friendships, or console loyalties) when it comes to settling disputes, and above all shouldn't let the position's 'power' go to their head.

Simply enough the Mods should punish whoever breaks the rules.. some mods (and just you if one of the Mods is reading this and thinks i'm just refering to them) don't seem to do this all the time.


Don't take this the wrong way, as overall the forums are moderated fairly well for the size and the scope of the place, but I think with a few tweaks things can run even more smoothly.

Agreed.


oh, and members need to trust our moderators, i trust them fully. I myself have 4 moderators on my contact list and i really hope that they dont go easy on me. (i dont think they would, in my opinion, they are great mods and they would know that i would have no problem at all if they locked a topic of mine or gave me a warning)

I wish that were the case... I know the Mods have been told to be impartial recently but i still don't believe it will happen with some of the Mods on this forum now.

Some of the Moderators on here deserve their position 100%. Two especially spring to mind as being knowledgable, unable to witstand any crap from any side and just being a great guys in general. However, some of the moderators don't seem to fit all of those requirements so simply haven't earnt my respect.


but I do agree at this point the forums have well gone under in terms of the amount of infractions people are getting and the amount of threads that are derailed by others due to spam and new trollers registering.

I think Noble almost hit the nail on the head with his post. They need to be totally impartial and should not look at who has posted something before they decide what punishment to give them.. for now they warn new people for doing something but seem to leave the forum elders for doing a very similar thing.

Just an example that started yesterday, when someone dedicates a thread to flaming someone by starting 'You people make me sick, I am looking at you ###!' why isn't that person given a warning? It shouldn't matter who is posting something as to what punishment they get, but it just seems to be that because he has several thousand posts on here and is good friends with people he gets away with nothing.

Thinking radically, maybe turning off the side menus for moderators so that they can't see who's made a post might be the best way forward.

I am not trying to be negative in this post; i am not trying to flame anyone for anything; i have just got an opinion that there is a problem with moderators and who they are friends with.

[Mbbest]

Its like in real life, noathing strange..it allways come to same law:

There are one rules for poor/litlle ones and second rules for rich/popular peoples.

In this case (forum about consoles) we should add one thing more:

There are one rules for poor/litlle/xbox fans and second rules for rich/popular/PS fans.

:D (ok, mods dont ban me for that, its my opinion)

I just want to thanks The_One, he is the best mod around here, yes he has banned me one time i think, but it was with reason :D

I will not put names of bad mods, but i can confirm that there is atleast 3 bad mods here. :)

[Lp Chris XII]

Personally I don't think any one of the Mods are totally impartial (myself included). Any conflict dealt with by a Mod is subject to have a different outcome for each Mod, because of their own opinions of other members (i.e: what they've done in the past, and what they talk about on MSN), and each conflict is subject to interpretation by the Moderator. Where they start reading the thread, what they think is a more serious infraction, etc.

What I'm saying is, you can't expect us to be perfect, no more than you can expect anyone to be perfect. People make mistakes, and have different opinions of what is right and what is wrong, so there will always be some controversy with any action a Mod takes.

[Supaman²²³]

*sigh*

You don't like the Mods then its tough ****.

A lot of the criminals don't like the police, and it seems like its the same case here, people who go around break the rules and get infractions for it, then they bitch that the mods are unfair.

In my eyes the mods are FAR from unfair, they need to ban more to clean this place up from the half retarded spammers and trolls.

[Mikleran]

A lot of the criminals don't like the police, and it seems like its the same case here, people who go around break the rules and get infractions for it, then they bitch that the mods are unfair.

You need to read my post properly and understand exactly what i'm saying.. i'm not saying they are unfair to people they do give punishments to; i'm saying they're unfair to the ones who they should be but aren't.

You are an excellent case of this.

[Supaman²²³]

You need to read my post properly and understand exactly what i'm saying.. i'm not saying they are unfair to people they do give punishments to; i'm saying they're unfair to the ones who they should be but aren't.

You are an excellent case of this.


http://www.uhusnest.de/blog/media/o-rly.jpg

And u didn't read my post, I said that its people that break the rules that come and complain about mods, in this case that are biased in favor of people.

Bottom line: Quit whining

[Panda Bear Shenyu]

I believe that the following is a big part of why these forums are deteriorating (as The_One says)..

A lot of members on this forum have each other on MSN/ On their friends lists on PSN. A lot of moderators also have them on there too.. and i think it is meaning that these people can get away with a lot more on these forums.

For example, Knuckles and I were warned for some posts we made in a thread earlier; me gaining 1 point for it and Knuckles getting just a Warning. However, someone else, who i won't name but who knows who they are, started the flame war and ended up posting worse stuff than us, got away with a 'warning over MSN' according to the Mod who warned us.

It also came to my attention with Trinity managed to get away with a heck of a lot more than any user on this forum who isn't a friend of a Mod/isn't 'popular'. After complaints to Admin about blatent racism which could end up with him getting a 5 year Jail term if he said that in public in the UK, he got away with his post being deleted and no warning in the 'Warnings + Bans Section'.

He was only banned a few days later when he lost a bet. Do you not think that anyone else on here would have been perma-banned instantly for that?

Why is this? How come people with large numbers of posts/friends of Mods can get away with so much?

I am not saying this is the case for all mods; there are two Mods on here that i respect and are very good at moderating impartially but others i don't have the trust in.. and i never really did. I know some of them will post in here and will probably warn me for posting this but that only reitterates my case.

If this thread is locked instantly without discussion/letting the poll run then i will know it's simply true...That's true. I've deleted everyone on the forum from my MSN after some unwanted fallout.

But then again, the mods aren't paid to moderate the forum, so you can't really bag on them like it's their duty to be saints.

[ps3isawesome]

Lol .. the owl is making want to rep you for that ... but yes I have seen this happen a few times ... :(

[Sparc]

This is without a doubt one of the best console forums on the Net. It kicks teamxbox into touch and countless others I have frequented. There is only one reason for that - the staff. They generally run a very tight ship considering how emotive the subjects are which are discussed here, I take my hat off to every one of them

What I do notice, a lot, is the inconsistencies with the punishments. I received a 1 point infraction for double-posting (fair enough) but I was surrounded by people in the infraction forum who received a warning, or an infraction with 0 points. I wonder why my double-post was "worse" than another's. However, to me that was a very small point [pun] and one I wasn't interested in pursuing personally.

All in all, the staff have a very tough job. We can't expect them to get it right every single time, they are human, and they have opinions too on what's being posted. I think if I saw a gross miscarriage of justice then I would simply report it to an Admin and leave them to decide/rectify as they saw fit.

Keep up the good work and huge kudos for not simply closing a thread like this down. It's good people can feel they can raise these kind of issues.

[Mikleran]

http://www.uhusnest.de/blog/media/o-rly.jpg

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ya rly.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=53983

Do not post under the 5 word minimum~AJJets107

[turkmen117]

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ya rly.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=53983

Are you saying that Supaman got away easy with that?

IF so:
You dont seem to understand why THE_ONE locked that. Supaman created that because poematic felt that THE_ONE's action were un-moddy. The reason THE_ONE locked that thread was because it was because of him that thread had been started. Supaman did no mistake there, nothing that was against the rules, THE_ONE just didnt want it to blow up

[Supaman²²³]

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ya rly.

http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=53983

Do not post under the 5 word minimum~AJJets107

Whats your point?
What are you trying to prove?

[Uncool]

Whatever Supaman did for that thread needed to be heard, the mods take a lot of crap from people ain't far from an easy day on the forums (though of course The_One did not want to cause a scene surrounding the issue). And as Supaman stated, they are not paid for this ****, it just comes with the position. No one is excempt and if it were that would prove un-modlike behavior.

[Mikleran]

My point is that you cannot just go out making a thread dedicated to flaming someone like that, saying they make you sick, just because they insulted your friend.

The_One is a legend. He's one of the Mods i respect on here as i have hinted in above posts.. My problem doesn't lie with him.

My problem lies with Mods who gave poematik14 a formal warning for sticking up for himself in that thread and left you alone for flaming him disgustingly.

This proves my point exactly.

[Uncool]

If you have an issue with a mod particularly that of an infraction or warning, it shouldn't be made public as it would have people coming in and turning it into flamebait. Talk with the mod who gave it to you through PM. Its that simple, why make it for everyone to see since its a private matter? Mikleran are you referring to me because all I ever did was to try and put and end to all the chaos here, I rather this place rise from the ashes from before all this incidents have gotten out of control.

[Mikleran]

Yikes. You've mis-understood my post...

I'm not referring to you at all.. You are a good contributor to this thread and i haven't got a problem with you.

A mod, which turns out was the same mod who gave me a warning a few days ago, gave poematik14 a warning for defending himself in that thread. He didn't do anything to Supaman who dedicated a thread to flaming an individual member; nothing like that should go on around here at all and it is a good example of my point at the start of this thread.

This isn't an uncommon thing either.

[Supaman²²³]

Yikes. You've mis-understood my post...

I'm not referring to you at all.. You are a good contributor to this thread and i haven't got a problem with you.

A mod, which turns out was the same mod who gave me a warning a few days ago, gave poematik14 a warning for defending himself in that thread. He didn't do anything to Supaman who dedicated a thread to flaming an individual member; nothing like that should go on around here at all and it is a good example of my point at the start of this thread.

This isn't an uncommon thing either.

If you call that flaming fine.. whatever helps you sleep at night

Second i did it because after soo much Bull**** a mod tries to clean things up and he comes along and bitches about it, ironically he has started a few flame wars him self so i could why he was trying to discourage the one from following through with his post.

[Uncool]

Yikes. You've mis-understood my post...

I'm not referring to you at all.. You are a good contributor to this thread and i haven't got a problem with you.

A mod, which turns out was the same mod who gave me a warning a few days ago, gave poematik14 a warning for defending himself in that thread. He didn't do anything to Supaman who dedicated a thread to flaming an individual member; nothing like that should go on around here at all and it is a good example of my point at the start of this thread.

This isn't an uncommon thing either.Yeah I know it was just Supaman defending The_One's honor as much as I would of but knowing his intentions full well and the good (though it seemed bad) he was trying to convey, I opted for it to be closed as it would turn into flame war when more people jumped into it discussing their so called "beef" with wrongful accusation made my our Mod's.

[Fangrim]

Being a mod sucks. It sucks bigtime. Almost as much as being a guild master for a large guild in WoW.

You try to do what you feel is right, you try to uphold the forum rules, and for the most part, all you get is grief, nagging, whining, and bitching from the people who don't know how to behave in the first place.

I've seen people here bitching bigtime about mods not doing enough about trolls/flamers/insert-favourite-hate-thingy-here... Then the same people step over the line, and get a warning/infraction/whatever, and they whine.

I've gotten a warning and an infraction before, and I *do* see others get away with offenses far worse than mine. Thing is - mods can't be everywhere, they can't see everything.

Example: I got an infraction for using the word "XBot". I've seen plenty other people here using that exact word and worse, and they don't get neither a warning nor an infraction. Does that make my offense worse or better? Nope. Does this mean that I am unpopular with a mod, and the people who doesn't get an infraction are popular and can get away with more? Nope.

Being a moderator isn't just unlimited power to do whatever you friggin' feel like, to whomever you feel like doing it to. When you're a mod, you're in the spotlight every time you post. As a mod, you have to be even more careful not to break any rules, because if you do, you'll have a cacophony of people complaining about favoritism...

Have you seen how many people are on these boards? It's a damn lot - this is quite a large forum. This forum is made for PlayStation owners to share their dreams, questions, fears, sorrows, you name it - as long as it's about your favourite console (A PlayStation mind you), this is where you go.

Unfortunately, this place also draws a lot of griefers and fanboys, both from the Sony side, but also from the "other sides". This will by nature end up in people arguing - here you can sit at home, safely anonymous, and do more or less what you want, and you'll never have to face the persons you piss off.

Hrm... I guess I'm ranting now, but my point is: Instead of nagging when the mod-hammer hits you or someone you like, how about trying to change your behaviour, so it won't happen again instead of whining about it?

[Mikleran]

I've gotten a warning and an infraction before, and I *do* see others get away with offenses far worse than mine. Thing is - mods can't be everywhere, they can't see everything.

That's not my problem. I know that they can't see everything that happens; i'm not complaining about that. What i am complaining about is when they see person A do something in reponse to Person B doing something just as bad, but just punish one of them because they know the other.


Hrm... I guess I'm ranting now, but my point is: Instead of nagging when the mod-hammer hits you or someone you like, how about trying to change your behaviour, so it won't happen again instead of whining about it?

Again, that's not the problem.


If you call that flaming fine..t

OK I'll just go make a thread solely dedicated to you making me feel sick because you insulted another member of the forum, and see if i get away with it?

[Supaman²²³]

OK I'll just go make a thread solely dedicated to you making me feel sick because you insulted another member of the forum, and see if i get away with it?

Wow this is like arguing with a 4 year old, go and make the thread see what happens

[Fangrim]

That's not my problem. I know that they can't see everything that happens; i'm not complaining about that. What i am complaining about is when they see person A do something in reponse to Person B doing something just as bad, but just punish one of them because they know the other.

Do you *know* this for a fact? Do you know who knows who here?

[Uncool]

Mikleran please don't, I don't think you want to convey your thoughts in such a manner. You would be going against all that you stand for and reasoning in your platform. Again do not do this, replying in a trollish manner will get you banned indefinitely.

[Fangrim]

Good point Uncool.

Mikleran, in my opinion, the best thing would be to let sleeping dogs lie. You might not agree with what's being said in some threads, and by some users, but starting yet another flamefest won't solve it.

[Panda Bear Shenyu]

Do you *know* this for a fact? Do you know who knows who here?


Wow this is like arguing with a 4 year old, go and make the thread see what happens


That's not my problem. I know that they can't see everything that happens; i'm not complaining about that. What i am complaining about is when they see person A do something in reponse to Person B doing something just as bad, but just punish one of them because they know the other.



Again, that's not the problem.



OK I'll just go make a thread solely dedicated to you making me feel sick because you insulted another member of the forum, and see if i get away with it?


Yeah I know it was just Supaman defending The_One's honor as much as I would of but knowing his intentions full well and the good (though it seemed bad) he was trying to convey, I opted for it to be closed as it would turn into flame war when more people jumped into it discussing their so called "beef" with wrongful accusation made my our Mod's.


If you call that flaming fine.. whatever helps you sleep at night

Second i did it because after soo much Bull**** a mod tries to clean things up and he comes along and bitches about it, ironically he has started a few flame wars him self so i could why he was trying to discourage the one from following through with his post.... what a dumb thread this has turned into... stop bickering like a bunch of idiots... and drop the "defending honors" talk, it's silly. I think most people with sense can make their own decisions about whether or not a mod is good or bad, it's not like people are DUMB and you have to tell them what's good and bad. Remember, most people here are over 25, and know a thing or two. And at least they know not to bicker like 2 year olds about something stupid.

[Tribunal]

I've got a fun game we can play. It's called:

Let mods be mods and members be members.

[ps3isawesome]

Sounds fun how do you play ... I think I already am :p ... if every one is arguing why doesnt this get locked.

[Fangrim]

Panda, I don't see what I'm doing as bickering - I see it as an attempt to convince another guy that he's doing the wrong thing. If that's bickering... *shrugs* I guess we're idiots then.

If the general consensus amongst the users is that the mods are biased, which is indicated in the poll (although with a very low poll count), then I feel that's a problem to be taken seriously.

Then again, what do I know, being an idiot and all? ;)

[Panda Bear Shenyu]

Panda, I don't see what I'm doing as bickering - I see it as an attempt to convince another guy that he's doing the wrong thing. If that's bickering... *shrugs* I guess we're idiots then.

If the general consensus amongst the users is that the mods are biased, which is indicated in the poll (although with a very low poll count), then I feel that's a problem to be taken seriously.

Then again, what do I know, being an idiot and all? ;)You are an idiot, and I'm an idiot, and everyone who posted in this thread to prove a point are idiots.

We're much more likable when we're console fanboys as opposed to real life fanboys

At least I know that you can't really convince Miklaren on much anything if our previous clashes says anything. On the other hand, I personally think it's a waste of time to try and convince someone about something in real life, not to mention on an online forum.

[Fangrim]

You are an idiot, and I'm an idiot, and everyone who posted in this thread to prove a point are idiots.

We're much more likable when we're console fanboys as opposed to real life fanboys

At least I know that you can't really convince Miklaren on much anything if our previous clashes says anything. On the other hand, I personally think it's a waste of time to try and convince someone about something in real life, not to mention on an online forum.

Good point there - touché! 8)

[Uncool]

Wow I think I just got pwned...

[Bitbydeath]

Bout time this one gets closed.

The mods are doing a great job around here. Mods may get impartial at times but they're only human and i'm sure you, i or anyone else around here could not do one better.

We are all entitled to our own opinions, do you not stick up for your friends when they're in trouble?

It's just the way the world works and there is nothing we can do about it.

[AJJets107]

I don't see a reason for this thread to be opened at the moment.