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DINAMO788
01-29-2007, 16:56
well its been over a year since the 360 came out and developers have had a decent amount of time to get more familar witht he system and enhance their games. im just wondering why how graphics of launch games and earlier games compares with current ones and whether there is a change or not. im partially interested to see how a next gen consol was evolving throughout its lifespan.
anyone notice anything really positive aboput the graphics evolution or something that they were disappointed in?
Doesn't Gears of War show a serious graphic evolution for you?
COD3 also looks much better than COD2, Forza 2 seems to be ages beyond PGR3 (too bad we don't have any direct feed footage)
Crackdown is much more impressive looking than Saint's Row.
And the list goes on. The "problem" here could be RARE's games. They were so damn good looking that few games surpassed them visually, but compared to the overall bunch, the step has been big, and will become ever bigger in the upcoming months.
Sockpuppet
01-29-2007, 17:07
Not really, the immediately obvious reason for many of the lacklustre looking titles on Xbox360 has been the timing of the consoles release where it got a lot of Xbox / PS2 ports so I was never expecting great things from them. Kameo still looks beautiful as ever, Project Gotham Racing 3 was decent but was forced to be ready for launch but considering it still looks pretty ace. PD Zero blatantly suffered from the same problem though largely to a greater extent than PGR3. Other games were just PC ports which meant they were pretty much put together to be playable counter parts of what the then top end PC was running.
Unreal Engine 3 has had a huge impact as GOW is showing just what the system is capable of and upcoming games like Mass Effect, Crackdown, Bioshock and co are showing what the system is capable of when the developer is entirely focussed on next gen assets (whether that be PS3 / Xbox360 multi platform or DX10 based PC) so it's fair to say it's only very recently that the games are starting to look the next major leap over the PS2 and Xbox.
Still though, despite the launch titles having to adhere to the time limit they still came out looking comparable to games even now, Kameo is still the most beautiful platform / adventure title I have seen and Project Gotham Racing 4 given the time to optimise and use all CPU's should benefit from running at the proper 720p res with AA etc. There's certainly plenty of life left in the system for improvement and that will be found through software optimisation and dev tools / engines. Up to this point the Xbox360 was largely surviving on pure grunt to run games like RB6 Vegas, GRAW and Splinter Cell (Vegas was the only one to not appear on previous gen consoles).
From here on with developers aiming for next gen (PS3, Xbox360, PC) all games should be getting their fare share of platform optimisation and be very comparable.
I've had a 360 since launch and it's got to be Gears of War and the Unreal Engine that has impressed me, after the luanch games I was worried how far graphics could come for eather console but there's some really good game engine's out there now...
Doesn't Gears of War show a serious graphic evolution for you?
COD3 also looks much better than COD2, Forza 2 seems to be ages beyond PGR3 (too bad we don't have any direct feed footage)
Crackdown is much more impressive looking than Saint's Row.
And the list goes on. The "problem" here could be RARE's games. They were so damn good looking that few games surpassed them visually, but compared to the overall bunch, the step has been big, and will become ever bigger in the upcoming months.
couldn't agree with you more. the biggest jump i saw was when i played GoW. i quite literally thought, wow this is what im talking about!
justintheman99
01-29-2007, 17:14
Im sure you will have that same thought once you play Mass Effect. :wink:
Rubics Cube
01-29-2007, 17:31
I personally thought COD3 was a step down from COD2, but I agree with all the other improvements.
poematik14
01-29-2007, 17:37
Great, now every shooter on the 360 is going to be a generic unreal engine based. Im getting gears of was next week so ill have to see what all the fuss is about. Im addicted to the crackdown demo so im going to pre order that as well.
PGR3 and Kameo are exceptional for when they were released and have yet to be surpassed in their respective genres. The rest of the games however, have been surpassed with ease.
Rubics Cube
01-29-2007, 19:33
PGR3 and Kameo are exceptional for when they were released and have yet to be surpassed in their respective genres. The rest of the games however, have been surpassed with ease.
I think COD2 could be added to your list.
TheRaceBegins
01-29-2007, 19:37
Doesn't Gears of War show a serious graphic evolution for you?
COD3 also looks much better than COD2, Forza 2 seems to be ages beyond PGR3 (too bad we don't have any direct feed footage)
Crackdown is much more impressive looking than Saint's Row.
And the list goes on. The "problem" here could be RARE's games. They were so damn good looking that few games surpassed them visually, but compared to the overall bunch, the step has been big, and will become ever bigger in the upcoming months.
Yes I agree.
Look at perfect dark zero, then look at Gears.
DINAMO788
01-29-2007, 19:59
yea i was meaning to include gears but aybe i forgot it. i dont much about the 360 as i hate the pos...but.....im just wondering if you guys are finding its graphics evolution up to pace and up to your expectations after a year. i know some games like gears kill anything but overall are you happy or would you have expected more?
Fishface
01-29-2007, 20:10
i think gears mass effect and all the other crossplatform games have demonstrated the graphical power of the 360 being superior to any other consoles so far.
The Old Man
01-29-2007, 20:41
The graphics are great and continue to get better. There is more dev support that the original Xbox could have ever imagined, which means a greater selection of games ahead. The devs have seen the numbers that a game like GOW can sell and this, coupled this with the ease of development of 360 games, will bring even more games to 360 owners.
The future of the 360 and the entire Xbox division @ MS is brighter than ever. Considering the price point between it's two competitors and a current stable of games that blows both of them out of the water, sales will continue their steady climb.
Rubics Cube
01-29-2007, 21:14
yea i was meaning to include gears but aybe i forgot it. i dont much about the 360 as i hate the pos...but.....im just wondering if you guys are finding its graphics evolution up to pace and up to your expectations after a year. i know some games like gears kill anything but overall are you happy or would you have expected more?
POS? Yeah..ok. If you think the 360 is a POS, then let me guess, the PS3 is a POS x 2. Why say such a thing in a 360 section, unless you are trying to start a flame war.
It's everything I have expected and more (unlike my PS3). However, I wish it had HDMI :cry:
lordmadjack
01-29-2007, 22:03
Its his opinion Rubix, hes entitled to dislike the "P.O.S" as he put it, he asked a serious question and it looks to me that its been answered in full, the 360 has seen a major graphical leap and will continue to grow in every way as will the PS3 :D
Silver&black_Attack
01-29-2007, 22:14
yea i was meaning to include gears but aybe i forgot it. i dont much about the 360 as i hate the pos...but.....im just wondering if you guys are finding its graphics evolution up to pace and up to your expectations after a year. i know some games like gears kill anything but overall are you happy or would you have expected more?You hate the 360 and think it's a POS but your in the 360 chat section asking questions about it?
Kinda dumb IMO, but what ever floats your boat.
Rubics Cube
01-29-2007, 22:15
Its his opinion Rubix, hes entitled to dislike the "P.O.S" as he put it, he asked a serious question and it looks to me that its been answered in full, the 360 has seen a major graphical leap and will continue to grow in every way as will the PS3 :D
So when someone says "How is the evolution of graphics on the piece of $^## Xbox 360?", that doesn't come across as flamebait? Why would someone care about a POS?
I am entitled to state the comment I did.
Behemoko
01-29-2007, 22:18
+ Gears of War is THE best looking gam eout now, IMO. :-)
- COD3 looked worse than COD2, IMO. :-(
Bitbydeath
01-29-2007, 22:52
Except Gears can't be compared because the UE3 engine hasn't been used with anything else on the 360.
I can't think of any titles that have used the same engine twice actually. Later this year i'm sure we'll get some comparisons.
Except Gears can't be compared because the UE3 engine hasn't been used with anything else on the 360.
I can't think of any titles that have used the same engine twice actually. Later this year i'm sure we'll get some comparisons.
No, Rainbox Six: Vegas and Roboblitz use UE3 as well. Also there are a ton of upcoming 360 titles using UE3.
DINAMO788
01-29-2007, 23:14
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maltrophstitan
01-29-2007, 23:19
there has been some progression.
cod 2-graw-gears
you can see it
Fishface
01-29-2007, 23:20
my god you all are like little girls who just had their favorite toy insulted.
im glad madjack understood my point. i dont like the 360 and i think its a pos BUT SINCE YOU DONT CARE WHAT I THINK you dont need to try and convince me otherwise.
i posted in this section becuase i wanted to see how next gen graphics evolution has been going and the 360 is the only consol to be out long enough to see some difference. so i hate the 360 but im trying to be non-bias and just wondering what you 360 fans think about the graphics evolution. im not trying to start anything.
reread what madjack said
well i guess we should thank you for taking the time to come and post here from your busy schedule of stealing land and killing children.
PERMA BAN. - THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR FOR ANYONE - siren
Bitbydeath
01-29-2007, 23:21
No, Rainbox Six: Vegas and Roboblitz use UE3 as well. Also there are a ton of upcoming 360 titles using UE3.
Okay i'll re-phrase. I think it needs to be something from the same camp. eg when Unreal is released then that can be compared to GeOW since it is coming from Epic and "Epic" haven't released anything else to date using the UE3 engine....
Okay i'll re-phrase. I think it needs to be something from the same camp. eg when Unreal is released then that can be compared to GeOW since it is coming from Epic and "Epic" haven't released anything else to date using the UE3 engine....
Yeah you're right. Unreal should look better than Gears. Remember Gears is Epic's first UE3 game, so their games will get better and better looking.
i think gears mass effect and all the other crossplatform games have demonstrated the graphical power of the 360 being superior to any other consoles so far.
You realise that all cross platform games you were talking about were built on 360 hardware right? Just like if a game was ported off PS3 it would look worse on 360 becaue of the different architecture :suspect: Seriously I love Gears but stop strumming that cord because your going to be made to look stupid in the coming month's...
lordmadjack
01-30-2007, 00:01
Ooh FF, comments like that can get you banned, seriosly man thats NOT cool :(
It'll be very interesting to me to see how other shooters in the future compare to Gears. Lost Planet was a step down (but the best freakin explosions in a game by miles), so it'll be interesting to see how other engines and other companies fare using the same engine.
Mass Effect is looking awesome, but it has nothing to compare with for that genre. It's one thing to have a RPG with those graphics. It's something entirely different to have a FPS or something with those graphics.
Gears and Mass Effect are good measuring sticks. It'll be interesting to see how far beyond they can go.
Brian
You realise that all cross platform games you were talking about were built on 360 hardware right? Just like if a game was ported off PS3 it would look worse on 360 becaue of the different architecture :suspect: Seriously I love Gears but stop strumming that cord because your going to be made to look stupid in the coming month's...
he did say so far. and so far yes, graphically the 360 is outperforming every other console. but i do agree with you when you say in the coming months we will really see what the PS3 is made of, and personally, i can't wait.
Knuckles126
01-30-2007, 00:31
my god you all are like little girls who just had their favorite toy insulted.
im glad madjack understood my point. i dont like the 360 and i think its a pos BUT SINCE YOU DONT CARE WHAT I THINK you dont need to try and convince me otherwise.
i posted in this section becuase i wanted to see how next gen graphics evolution has been going and the 360 is the only consol to be out long enough to see some difference. so i hate the 360 but im trying to be non-bias and just wondering what you 360 fans think about the graphics evolution. im not trying to start anything.
reread what madjack said
:lol:
To say you "hate" a console is beyond immature and shows you don't know the meaning of the word. But since you hate an electronic that has done nothing to you physically, you have bigger things to worry about than what we think about the 360's graphical "evolution". ;)
Also, just to be a technical ass, the word 'evolution' is by definitoin, a natural occuring process that happens over long periods of time. The 360 is not "evolving", it is being made better by people (human energy) who are designing games for it.
The 360 gfx are just fine. You don't need jaw dropping visuals unless you combine them with gameplay.
But I think if the dev tools are as good as some people say there will be tons of so-so games that look great but not fantastic. And maybe that's not a bad thing. Maybe that might create some creative juices.
DINAMO788
01-30-2007, 00:33
well yea i9 made this so i can possible have some analogues hypothesis of what ps3 games might look like. i was just making sure everything is going on track with progress still continuing
Knuckles126
01-30-2007, 00:39
well yea i9 made this so i can possible have some analogues hypothesis of what ps3 games might look like. i was just making sure everything is going on track with progress still continuing
Why would you need a hypothesis? Are you trying to prove something? The PS3 will have 10x's the graphical quality that the 360 currently swims in, and will totally blow the 360 out of the water....at E3. ;)
Didn't you get the memo? :lol:
lol im not so sure about 10x......we will have to wait and see!
Knuckles126
01-30-2007, 00:48
lol im not so sure about 10x......we will have to wait and see!
Well, I'm just going by what the general consensus is over at the PS3 camp.
haha yea. i know what you mean.
DINAMO788
01-30-2007, 01:51
knuckles what is your problem. im not even brgining ps3 into the comparison. and yes this is a PS3 camp, check out the URL so dont think im in foreign territory even though this is the 360 section its in the ps3 forum. all i was looking for is whether you guys thought the 360 is evloving to your expectations...damn
hell yea i think it is. just compare the launch games to gears of war.
Carsonal
01-30-2007, 02:01
Well...I'm quite humble when it comes to graphics.
Up until a few months ago i played PS2 for 6 years even though its graphics were becoming more and more outdone by PCs and the nex gen consoles.
But It didn't really matter because I enjoyed the games.
So if 360 can uphold the graphics that it currently has for years to come i will be more than happy.
knuckles what is your problem. im not even brgining ps3 into the comparison. and yes this is a PS3 camp, check out the URL so dont think im in foreign territory even though this is the 360 section its in the ps3 forum. all i was looking for is whether you guys thought the 360 is evloving to your expectations...damn
ok this is what you said. let me say it like this then and tell me if you dont get mad.
hey everyone i was just wondering how the ps3 graphics evolution even tho i think its a pos.
doesnt sound to nice
all you had to say was hey guys im a ps3 fan but im just wondering what do you guys think of xbox360 graphics. how much is it getting better. or something like that.
DINAMO788
01-30-2007, 02:18
sorry i dont talk like that, not going to make myself look like a guest in you fancy 360 section which is apart of a ps3 forum. iono mad got what i was asking that was just the way i speak about the 360, it was an irrelevent adjective in the post. lets ignore it shall we.
In gaming there is always progression, though incremental it has improved overtime such as titles of launch like PDZ and currently Gears as an example. Only time as it always has been due we see how each system grows through better understanding of a console and the development tools do you see what games are possible in each system. And please try to be civil in this discussion, its a very interesting thought I'm sure most of you had at one point.
my god you all are like little girls who just had their favorite toy insulted.
im glad madjack understood my point. i dont like the 360 and i think its a pos BUT SINCE YOU DONT CARE WHAT I THINK you dont need to try and convince me otherwise.
i posted in this section becuase i wanted to see how next gen graphics evolution has been going and the 360 is the only consol to be out long enough to see some difference. so i hate the 360 but im trying to be non-bias and just wondering what you 360 fans think about the graphics evolution. im not trying to start anything.
reread what madjack said
Funnily enough I agree with him. If he thinks its a POS, then so be it. I couldn't care less since I enjoy my 'POS'. The way people are so defensive in this section makes me laugh :lol: .
Well we should all learn to agree to disagree, I don't understand how a simple misunderstanding can change a good/decent discussion into flamebait.
I think the big difference here is if you did that in the ps3 section you would probably be banned.
DINAMO788
01-30-2007, 03:31
well i disagree as the mods have been i think even too nice about ps3 bashing. they know that 360 fans are the minority and they give them a little more exception i think. but back to the dicussion...how do you think progress will go over the next year? do you expect the same icnrease in graphics or more increase? any hopes?
lordmadjack
01-30-2007, 05:15
I think many will be surpised at what the PS3 and 360 will put out in the upcoming year...
Both sysytems will put out incredible games and I'll even bet you'll see a few gems that put Gear's graphics to shame easily ;)
Think of it like this, look what systems like the Box, Cube and PS2 were able to do at the end of thier lifespans
I think many will be surpised at what the PS3 and 360 will put out in the upcoming year...
Both sysytems will put out incredible games and I'll even bet you'll see a few gems that put Gear's graphics to shame easily ;)
Think of it like this, look what systems like the Box, Cube and PS2 were able to do at the end of thier lifespans
yes bat the end of thier lifespans. im not buying a console so that 4 years later i get the best looking games. i want them in 1-2 years. im not waiting 6 years like ps2 has dont get me wrong ps2 is one of the best systems there is but 6 years to get these sweat as graphics is way to damn long. i expect the xbox360 to be bring better stuff then gears in 1 year if not im trading it in. same thing with ps3 i am not waiting 4 years to see some jaw droping stuff i want it now or 1-2 years not 4
lordmadjack
01-30-2007, 06:06
Wow, Lao :lol: patience isn't your forte is it ;)
*sigh( I can't believe I have to say this (preachy teacher voice) "Rome wasn't built in a day" :rolleyes:
DINAMO788
01-30-2007, 06:08
yea i'd gladly wait if it meantmuch better stuff. i only play one game at a time anyways so that i may get the most out of it.
RotaryKnight
01-30-2007, 07:18
sorry i dont talk like that, not going to make myself look like a guest in you fancy 360 section which is apart of a ps3 forum. iono mad got what i was asking that was just the way i speak about the 360, it was an irrelevent adjective in the post. lets ignore it shall we.
As Rubics Cube said, what you said was phrased as a Flamebait.
if you dont think your comment was a flamebait....then omg...........
If Gears or war was a step up in the graphical achievments for the 360 in what they can do in a year and half or so in development, then imagine what happens when games are comming out in three years.
yes bat the end of thier lifespans. im not buying a console so that 4 years later i get the best looking games. i want them in 1-2 years. im not waiting 6 years like ps2 has dont get me wrong ps2 is one of the best systems there is but 6 years to get these sweat as graphics is way to damn long. i expect the xbox360 to be bring better stuff then gears in 1 year if not im trading it in. same thing with ps3 i am not waiting 4 years to see some jaw droping stuff i want it now or 1-2 years not 4
you can always spend $2000 on the best components to build the most powerful gaming pc money can buy :)
I would do that....if I had money to spend.
I think the reason people are going, OMG where is the next gen graphics? is due in no small part to Sony themselves.
When they blasted the doors off E3 with Killzone, Motorstorm and the other 'tech demos' ;) , it really made people think that this is the graphics they were going to get day 1 with the next gen consoles. and of course when the games came out and they only looked marginally better than last gen, people said well these look like crap!
But honestly if you compare the launch titles with PS2,xbox,or gamecube games from the last year, they show a sizeable increase in the graphics department. Even more so if you are hooked up to a proper HDTV. Then of course oblivion came out and I was like, holy crap, look at these graphics!(this game was the one that actually made me want to play a 360 even though I hated the original 180.).
Then the graphics improved even moreso with Gears of war. And games in development like Bio-shock, Mass Effect, too Human and others show an increase in graphical capabilites. Sure nothing looks like Killzone, and it probably won't until the end of this cycle, but I can definitely see a steadily rising quality in the graphics department.
I think the next big 'jump' is going to come in March when Motorstorm is released on the PS3, and then in May(?) when Bioshock comes out.
Then of course this November, the gloves are going to be off in the official first round of the next gen wars.
We're going to see some truly amazing stuff hitting the shelves this November. Killzone quality? Probably not, but still a step above what we've seen released so far to be sure.
natureman3
01-30-2007, 12:38
the next big jump in the graphics department will not come from rendering techniques but mostlyfrom the animation and physics. How it moves will
yes bat the end of thier lifespans. im not buying a console so that 4 years later i get the best looking games. i want them in 1-2 years. im not waiting 6 years like ps2 has dont get me wrong ps2 is one of the best systems there is but 6 years to get these sweat as graphics is way to damn long. i expect the xbox360 to be bring better stuff then gears in 1 year if not im trading it in. same thing with ps3 i am not waiting 4 years to see some jaw droping stuff i want it now or 1-2 years not 4
Dude, whats wrong with you? Do you watch games rather than play them or something? If Gears is never improved upon then TBH I wont complain as long as gameplay innovations keep on coming.
Knuckles126
01-31-2007, 04:33
I think the big difference here is if you did that in the ps3 section you would probably be banned.
Damn, right...you better believe any 360 fan who did that would be banned in a heart beat. But it's okay to do it in the 360 section it seems...
maltrophstitan
01-31-2007, 07:53
graw 2 looks good. watch the gimme danger trailer in HD.
and i just saw crysis trailer in HD and OMG.
i do think that killzone cgi vid will be possible soon, in fact i think gears comes close to that if you look at just screens.
LexusIS350
01-31-2007, 20:13
Although games do look really good on the X360...there has not been a game developed for any console that has screamed NEXT GEN. GeOW looks cool, but still it doesn't scream this is the future. Crysis is definitely next gen..but it's for the PC. The Getaway for PS3, if it indeed does turn out to look like the E3 demonstration is definitely next gen, same thing with 8 days, 2 days till Vegas, and war devil . Sounds like I'm a PS3 fanboy eh? I'm not, Just my opinion.
Sockpuppet
01-31-2007, 20:53
You don't think Gears of War looks next gen?
I agree Forza 2 looks great but PGR3 Was doing that around launch why have they not got better graphics in games from launch Gears has good graphics and so does lost planet but i still think PGR3 has the best graphics of a 360 game so far.
Rubics Cube
01-31-2007, 21:20
I agree Forza 2 looks great but PGR3 Was doing that around launch why have they not got better graphics in games from launch Gears has good graphics and so does lost planet but i still think PGR3 has the best graphics of a 360 game so far.
So far everything I have seen from Forza 2 graphically looks better than PGR3. Also keep in mind, next gen doesn't just mean graphics. It means much more, such as physics, new style game play, improved draw distances and more.
You can see a simple evelution in these.
LAUNCHhttp://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/670/670581/perfect-dark-zero-20051123110159053.jpg
MID '06
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/694/694274/tom-clancys-ghost-recon-advanced-warfighter-20060307070034519.jpg
YEAR AFTER
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/744/744356/gears-of-war-20061107035040768.jpg
Q1 2007http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/745/745227/give-thanks-for-lost-planet-multiplayer-demo-20061110015923390.jpg
I think Gears is still at the top of the pile as far as graphics go. Lost Planet looks good, but not as good as Gears.
LexusIS350
01-31-2007, 22:14
You don't think Gears of War looks next gen?
of course I think it is next gen, but my definition of "next gen" may differ from that of your own. Sure it has great graphics, sound, etc. But when I play the game, I don't say to myself, "whoa...this is a new experience." in actuality it's just an improved experience. I say things more a long the line of, "whoa..look at the lighting", or "the characters have a lot of detail." It just feels too familiar to me.
sorry i dont talk like that, not going to make myself look like a guest in you fancy 360 section which is apart of a ps3 forum. iono mad got what i was asking that was just the way i speak about the 360, it was an irrelevent adjective in the post. lets ignore it shall we.
Perhaps you should have posted it in the technology forum then. You can't expect to come into a console specific forum, ask a question, tell the readers of that forum that said console is a POS and then wonder why you get some backlash. Seems a little bit naive to me.
DINAMO788
01-31-2007, 23:09
no its not. i didn't tell them it was a pos i was saying in in a transitioning thought making it my opinion.
i already got my first every infraction because of this thread so i dont want to bring it up again.
Dogg did a very good job at helping me visualize the change so thanks. although i think after gears, all future games can only hope to come par with that....for the short comming at least
Knuckles126
02-01-2007, 02:41
no its not. i didn't tell them it was a pos i was saying in in a transitioning thought making it my opinion.
i already got my first every infraction because of this thread so i dont want to bring it up again.
Dogg did a very good job at helping me visualize the change so thanks. although i think after gears, all future games can only hope to come par with that....for the short comming at least
Well, I believe when Gears 2 comes out, it will once again set another standard for graphics.
justintheman99
02-01-2007, 02:43
By then I am sure games will still be trying to catch up to Gears, let alone Gears II! :shock:
Well, I believe when Gears 2 comes out, it will once again set another standard for graphics.
If not for all around graphics, it will set the standards for the unreal 3 engine definitely.