View Full Version : Abit worried not BC, but ....
maniccow
02-24-2007, 11:20
new production line
after reading this http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Cont...1&NewsAreaID=2 (http://www.scee.presscentre.com/Cont...1&NewsAreaID=2)
i would like to make some points of worry
1. the word limited is used(this could mean anything, they could be using it to cover there backs)
2."Usability of all storage media types is not guaranteed", WTF does it say that in USA etc. sounds like there using new lasers or something. or do they again just say that to cover there backs
3."Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology. i understand they want to focus on ps3 stuff but this is like saying we are not gonna update the ps2 bc
4. and finaly my main worry "would utilise a new hardware specification. " does this mean new production line has started e.g. i wasbuying the ps3 at launch cos i thought all the kinks would be worked out cos i been out in US for 4 months or so. now will i have to worry about new KINKS, becuase they are using different models or will it be fine
ps. i know we already got a thread on this but i feel these points need to be discused becuase in the other thread it just people going sony is rubbish i hate then let look at this logicaly
wow , maybe you right, there is more to be worried about
Fact: consoles are always undegoing micro-changes to increase reliability, reduce running costs, and help fight piracy.
Anybody who is put off by that should maybe wait and get one in 3 or 4 years time when the hardware will be well bedded-in!
stateside mouse
02-24-2007, 11:46
i would like to make some points of worry
1. the word limited is used(this could mean anything, they could be using it to cover there backs)
2."Usability of all storage media types is not guaranteed", WTF does it say that in USA etc. sounds like there using new lasers or something. or do they again just say that to cover there backs
3."Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future, company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3, truly taking advantage of this exciting technology.” i understand they want to focus on ps3 stuff but this is like saying we are not gonna update the ps2 bc
4. and finaly my main worry "would utilise a new hardware specification. " does this mean new production line has started e.g. i wasbuying the ps3 at launch cos i thought all the kinks would be worked out cos i been out in US for 4 months or so. now will i have to worry about new KINKS, becuase they are using different models or will it be fine
ps. i know we already got a thread on this but i feel these points need to be discused becuase in the other thread it just people going sony is rubbish i hate then let look at this logicaly
1. Limited is a word to protect their butts and unfortunately until the BC list is released you will have no idea how limited the number of BC titles will be at first.
2. Storage media equals Memory Stick, SD memory card, and CompactFlash which are sold seperately and there is no way Sony can guarantee that these will all work especially since some are made by other companies, etc.
3. This is a two parter. The first part is that for every feature Sony has they have to dedicate people to that said feature. By putting their primary focus on BC that would mean some focus would be inevitably taken off of other things. As much as everyone would like to believe that Sony has an unlimited supply of resources they don't and need to either balance or do what they think will benefit most customers in the long term.
The second part...Even though they did say they would be focusing on other areas they also said this
Some additional PS2 titles will become compatible on the PS3 system through regular downloadable firmware updates, which will be made available through the PLAYSTATIONŽNetwork, from http://www.playstation.com or via PS3 game discs, with the first update planned for the launch date of the 23rd March 2007.
which means that those available at launch will not be the only ones and that the updates will start as soon as it launches.
4. The new hardware specification is the whole bc thing and nothing more. They have taken out the actual physical PS2 hardware and gone with software emulation.
maniccow
02-24-2007, 11:48
point 4. does that mean a new production line has started so posibble new probs etc
stateside mouse
02-24-2007, 11:50
point 4. does that mean a new production line has started so posibble new probs etc
That is not what that means. It is talking about the hardware itself being changed which is the removal of the PS2 hardware that was initially available for the Japan & North America launches.
Chrisandmyps3
02-24-2007, 11:51
I hope they wont change anything else on the console because people are still angry for what Sony has done to the european ps3. It has made me angry that we will not be able to play all ps2 game like in the US and japan.
They have changed the console because of the high price, its a good thing that they are trying to make it cheaper but its stupid that they are taking out lots of the good parts of the ps3 that people want from it. If the European version of the ps3 sucks people will start buying the US and Japan version which is another bad thing
The EU version will not suck it's simply gonna rely on software emulation rather than hardware emulation...
The hardware needed firmware update to get it to work properly now they have software emulation which is cheaper and just as effective as hardware but they can't say it will be 100% at launch because it may take a firmware update like it took the hardware to get it right.
Booneabal
02-24-2007, 14:18
Thanks for re-focusing the issues. Some people miss no opportunity to spit vitriol at Sony, hard to understand why they are on a fan site....
The big failing here is that Sony has not quantified the compatibility rate, nor have they indicated any benefits such as native rendering in HD of PS2/One assets.
stateside mouse
02-24-2007, 14:24
Thanks for re-focusing the issues. Some people miss no opportunity to spit vitriol at Sony, hard to understand why they are on a fan site....
The big failing here is that Sony has not quantified the compatibility rate, nor have they indicated any benefits such as native rendering in HD of PS2/One assets.
I believe (although I could be wrong) that the press release is just the first announcement and that we will learn more over the weeks as the launch approaches. It is too big of a subject just to issue a release and not have any other follow up.
Would losing the PS2 Chip help the PS3 run more efficient/quieter? Just wondering if anyone knows.
Mikleran
02-24-2007, 14:55
I wonder how much space the emulation take up on the HDD...?
Is this why there's not going to be a 20GB HDD? Because half of it would be taken up with emulation like on the 360? Probably will require a couple of gigs at least...
funkybudda
02-24-2007, 15:00
The EU version will not suck it's simply gonna rely on software emulation rather than hardware emulation...
The hardware needed firmware update to get it to work properly now they have software emulation which is cheaper and just as effective as hardware but they can't say it will be 100% at launch because it may take a firmware update like it took the hardware to get it right.
exactly, even the US version needed a fireware update to fix the BC issue we had... I still remember the messed up text and logos I saw on screen when I first fired up FF12 on my PS3... New region launch, new hardware specification change, you guys gotta be patient sometimes :)
On the shifting focus to be primarily for PS3 and next gen titles, I think that makes alot of sense? Yes I do want BC, but not at the expense of having less development on new titles.
Have to say the fact they say only a "limited" amount of games will work troubles me.. If they had said the majority of titles I would have been much happier..
They also contradict themselves by saying their will be updates to the back compat but then saying that resources will not be put into it!!
I was rather hoping I would be able to sell my PS2 to put it towards my PS3 have SOny considered they might lose sales becuase of this alone? Also if I have to keep my PS2 anyway then I can consider the 360 more now tbh
The EU version will not suck it's simply gonna rely on software emulation rather than hardware emulation...
The hardware needed firmware update to get it to work properly now they have software emulation which is cheaper and just as effective as hardware but they can't say it will be 100% at launch because it may take a firmware update like it took the hardware to get it right.
What planet are you on? how can software emulation be as effective as hardware??? WIth the PS2 huge library of games we'd be lucky to get 60 - 70% compatability imo
PS3fan15
02-24-2007, 15:36
I dunno.. hopefully Sony isn't stupid and announce that atleast 90% of the games are backwards compatible.. so Europe doesn't get shafted.
The problem with software emulation is that only games that stick to the developer rules will work.. the games that really talk to the hardware and squeeze every bit of power out of it rarely work.
Unfortunatly this normally means the better games!!
The problem with software emulation is that only games that stick to the developer rules will work.. the games that really talk to the hardware and squeeze every bit of power out of it rarely work.
Unfortunatly this normally means the better games!!
i'm sure that the big names of the ps2 era will work RE4, FF 7 etc
but then again, they've surprised me with stupidity in the past so lets see :)
PS3fluKe
02-24-2007, 16:42
Not sure If you get it guys, but this has been the plan since the start for Sony. Don't remember where I read it, but I heard that a long time ago that they are gonna drop the EE+GS chip in future PS3's Not just in EU, but new systems in the US and Japan as well. Sony did'nt have the emulation right at launch so they had to use the actual PS2 chips to make it BC. When the new firmware is released wich contains the emulator EVERY PS3 who updates will be the same. The EE+GS chip in the PS3's that have it, will be disabled and not used anymore so every PS3 will use software emulation. Thought this was common knowledge? Sorry I don't have a link, but trust me, it's true..
pacific808
02-24-2007, 16:59
I know backwards capatability is seen as a good thing for some people but I do not see me using it because of the quality. I didn't own a ps1 but I bet there are games that I would have loved to play. I have only used the backward capatability once and that was to test battlefield mc online and I didn't like the fact that if I was in 720p then the game would be stretched to widescreen and I could adjust the video ratio to 4:3 on my tv or on the ps3. Since then I have sold all my ps2 games.
yes but we were led to believe that SW back comp would be introduced when itr was of a high enougth standard I mean "most ps1 games and a limited amount of PS2 games" is quite worrying