View Full Version : Xbox 360: First Look at Final Hardware
The original article is in german, the translation came from the user Maven of Beyond3D, the original thread is here http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24123
Blackeye
10-01-2005, 19:31
- Xbox 1 Combatibility: Still no list of games, more popular ones first. Exactly the same look as on Xbox (i.e. no extra AA or similar). Game saves cannot be copied from Xbox to 360.
Ahh, that sucks. I don't think anyone wants to start over with their games. :?
- Xbox 1 Combatibility: Still no list of games, more popular ones first. Exactly the same look as on Xbox (i.e. no extra AA or similar). Game saves cannot be copied from Xbox to 360.
Ahh, that sucks. I don't think anyone wants to start over with their games. :?
wow that literally kills the reason to have B/C in the first place, including Halo... most probably.
that's scaring me now, i hope i can transfer PS1 and PS2 files over to PS3!! :shock:
Sounds a bit crap when they put a list like that.
The HDD can be used to save games (same as memory card). Games can use the HDD as cache to shorten loading times. Currently only 20GB version planned which cannot be user-replaced by a larger one.
Can someone translate that into English what does it mean cannot be user-replaced?
2 front USB-ports, 1 in the back for MP3-player, PSP, USB memory sticks, digital camera, or external HDDs with music (MP3, WAV, WMA) and photos. Can be combined (e.g. slideshow from camera + music from MP3-player). Music can be played in games, but NO DATA can be copied onto the internal hard-disk. No movie-playback from external storage.
and what does it mean data can't be copied onto the internal Hard-Disk :?:
Looks like there will be a lot of microtransactions going on...
I think they meant that only the 20gb HDD that comes with xbox360(or bought separate) can be used for xbox360. Meaning, you cannot go out and buy a larger HDD and slot it into the xbox360. Only the 20gb one will be compatible. No third party HDD allowed unless approved?
As for the, uh, no data copying allowed thing, I think it means that you are only allowed to stream music into the 20gb HDD. Only temporary storage of music and such are allowed, no permanant storage. But things like patches, game content, and more, that you download from xbox live can be permanantly stored onto the HDD. Caching too, of course. I guess they want to keep the HDD from having too few GB left that might hinder the caching. So that might mean caching will take up a huge chunk of the HDD capacity?
Looks like there will be a lot of microtransactions going on...
I think they meant that only the 20gb HDD that comes with xbox360(or bought separate) can be used for xbox360. Meaning, you cannot go out and buy a larger HDD and slot it into the xbox360. Only the 20gb one will be compatible. No third party HDD allowed unless approved?
yeah but say MS decide to release a larger capacity?
i want to know what that no copied data thing is all about, i hope it isn't what i think it is or it's a step down from the Xbox in a sense.
kingarthurivvi
10-01-2005, 20:04
this is all a bit hard to swallow since my xbox is set to 1080i its in the specs as well. i think this is a bit missinformitive but we will see.it was a translation also....
http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/64507
The articles out of the way nature to try and show nothing good is also in question of what is treu or not. as for game saves hows that work on other consoles my guess is it don't. so why bother to point it out oh because its a negitive comment this thing is filled with them.
as for the media rights all i can say is get used to it its the issue everyone will have to fave with the hd aera. That still sucks ifit terns out to be true. Though he has said many times u need a media center pc.
hmmm... it looks like if this is true (well it is leaked information :roll: ) then MS are pushing people to go out and buy media centre PC's.
And at the same time take out features that the Xbox had, boy MS are digging themselves a deeper hole.
Presentation was with the native resolution of the console, 1280x720, higher resolutions will simply be upscaled. The following resolutions can be set in the dashboard: 640x480, 848x480, 1024x768, 120x720, 1280x768, 1360x768. No 1920x1080 (1080i).
erm... that isn't a good thing is it :?:
well just hope it's a mis-translation but i wouldn't hold my breath if it's leaked information.
kingarthurivvi
10-01-2005, 21:48
what do you think will happen with blue-ray? atleast we can have the option of putting our media where we want it. we get fair use from hd-dvd and xbox360 and thats going to be a rare thing in the new world of hd media.
Looks like there will be a lot of microtransactions going on...
I think they meant that only the 20gb HDD that comes with xbox360(or bought separate) can be used for xbox360. Meaning, you cannot go out and buy a larger HDD and slot it into the xbox360. Only the 20gb one will be compatible. No third party HDD allowed unless approved?
yeah but say MS decide to release a larger capacity?
i want to know what that no copied data thing is all about, i hope it isn't what i think it is or it's a step down from the Xbox in a sense.
Unfortunately Steroyd, the only way that I know how to transfer your saved files from the PS2 to the PS3 is with the USB cable and transfer your memory to the Memorystick duo on your psp, although, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to link the PS2 and PS3 together via USB and download that way.
what do you think will happen with blue-ray? atleast we can have the option of putting our media where we want it. we get fair use from hd-dvd and xbox360 and thats going to be a rare thing in the new world of hd media.
what exactly are you talking about? first of all what blu-ray has to do with any of this info? and second , in case you didn't notice 360 will NOT have a hd-dvd drive, so once more what exactly are you talking about?
The Chocobo Kid
10-01-2005, 22:05
Too bad for x fans. Sony said MSD will be share with psp and ps3. so I can get pre saved games from the internet and put them on my ps3.
[off topic]Yeah and i can tranfer them through ftp (using the ethernet) to my PC and copy them back with ethernet or USB or some way in the memory stick, but that's not the point, sony has to provide an easy and for all solution for transfering the saved games from the ps2 mem card[/off topic]
Unfortunately Steroyd, the only way that I know how to transfer your saved files from the PS2 to the PS3 is with the USB cable and transfer your memory to the Memorystick duo on your psp, although, I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to link the PS2 and PS3 together via USB and download that way.
hmmm... that would be a not so good predicament if i sell my PS2 for a deposit for a PS3 :(
well i've got a PSP so all Sony has to do is release a firmware update that let's my PSP talk to my PS2 and i'll be sorted.
Hope Ken clears that bit of info for people, or i'm holding off buying PS2 games until the PS3 is released...
...come to think of it, i can't even do that because they're so many good games for PS2 and i don't have self control :?
what do you think will happen with blue-ray? atleast we can have the option of putting our media where we want it. we get fair use from hd-dvd and xbox360 and thats going to be a rare thing in the new world of hd media.
man :shock: you must have some issues with the Blu-ray thing because no-one has mentioned about it, and the topic on hand has no relation with a next gen media at all.
You're a bit paranoid or so it seems.
Perfect Sin
10-01-2005, 23:39
Why doesn't some 3rd party company make a device that takes the XBOX codes save games and coverts them to 360 code? I know it's easier said than done. It's just hard to think that such a device can't be made.
Why doesn't some 3rd party company make a device that takes the XBOX codes save games and coverts them to 360 code? I know it's easier said than done. It's just hard to think that such a device can't be made.
Because it needs to be approved by MS for it to work. Remember that thing about MS, uh, implementing some kind trademark thing(chip or something?) into the xbox360 peripherals so that only peripherals with it will be compatible with xbox360. So if MS says no to it, they are not allow to produce it without getting sued for hefty sums of cash.
Perfect Sin
10-01-2005, 23:59
Well then if MS wants to screw thier BC users out of their old saved games then so be it. As far as the PS3 goes it might be possible for 3rd part companies to make a save game converter for the PS3 IF PS3 can't read old saved games. (Btw, PS3 has no support of old, memory cards. This would be why old PS1+2 games wouln't have their save files)
Makagoto
10-02-2005, 00:10
The articles out of the way nature to try and show nothing good is also in question of what is treu or not.
treu = loyal to, devoted
heise is a very trusted source here in germany btw. besides that i was only a bit disappointed that no 1280*1024 resolution is supported, which would be ideal on a 4:3 monitor.
Im calling BS on this article
From beyond3d:
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7168/blah0kq.jpg
Makagoto
10-02-2005, 01:48
Im calling BS on this article
seems to me there is a place to change the actual resolution and another place to set what kind of tv you use.
Article is BS as others have already called it. Xbox.com disproves multiple "facts" on this sheet, so don't jump to conclusions.
Article is BS as others have already called it. Xbox.com disproves multiple "facts" on this sheet, so don't jump to conclusions.
xbox.com were also stating that every xbox would have a 20gb harddrive and a wireless controller.
Boogie Woogie
10-02-2005, 02:47
Article is BS as others have already called it. Xbox.com disproves multiple "facts" on this sheet, so don't jump to conclusions.
xbox.com were also stating that every xbox would have a 20gb harddrive and a wireless controller.
:lol: . And looks what happened to the Xbox 360 , no standard 20Gb HDD or wireless controller .
Perfect Sin
10-02-2005, 03:40
I don't think it's BS MS calimed users could ajust their games to match their TV settings, much like a computer.
kingarthurivvi
10-02-2005, 03:54
Im calling BS on this article
From beyond3d:
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7168/blah0kq.jpg
yes it has to be because i mean damn i just played soulcaliber on 720p on my current xbox and it does up to 1080i in settings.
as for needing psp for xfering saves dont you think thats a bit pricy???? whos to say live could not do the same dam thing? a system is not BC if it needs another system to xfer the saves now is it ? especially one as expensive as psp.
kingarthurivvi
10-02-2005, 04:06
what do you think will happen with blue-ray? atleast we can have the option of putting our media where we want it. we get fair use from hd-dvd and xbox360 and thats going to be a rare thing in the new world of hd media.
what exactly are you talking about? first of all what blu-ray has to do with any of this info? and second , in case you didn't notice 360 will NOT have a hd-dvd drive, so once more what exactly are you talking about?
yes it will it comes in every primium xbox thus being in xbox on launch. what does bd have to do with fair use well look it up you think that ps3 can play any media and let you do anything with it in HD you are sadly mistaken. The fact is bd will limit you far more than anything 360 with or without a mediacenter pc will. You guys keep saying we are only going to be limited when infact the HD aera is a double edge sword. noone wants to see the side of when you buy a bd movie you cannot back it up. It will be on that disk and in no other form.
Perfect Sin
10-02-2005, 04:18
Nice Double-Post king...(Read your PM~Damnit)
The Blu-ray disk itself may not be exactly HD quality videos, but it's pretty damn close. Any movie on Blu-ray is going to look exceptional anyways.
Besides the 360 can't play evrything in HD either. So what's the argument anyways.
kingarthurivvi
10-02-2005, 04:24
are you oh yea forgot head in the sand. yes it does play hd media man thats why it would need a mediacenter pc to stream valid licensed media. no you are wrong about bd it is hd sony is in the same anti-piracy deal as m$ and sony's solution is keep it all on retail disk and thats not fair for someone who just spend 50$ on a damn BD-romHD movie AND YES there in hd lol thats the whole point in bdrom,hd-dvd,wmvhd,windows mediacenter. and well all the new consoles.
Perfect Sin
10-02-2005, 04:32
SO WHAT'S YOUR POINT! You're confusing the hell out off me.
First you say we can't do anything HD with Blu-Ray.
Then i say well even if BLu-ray isn't HD grpahics still look damn good.
Then I say how MS can't do everything with HD.
You correct me and say Blu-Ray is in HD then say MS streams media licenses...
So it's DVD9 drive can convert disks to HD..is that what your telling me.
It's so F'in late i don't even know anymore. It's like your contradicting yourself but not...LOL Like that reasoning?
in case you didn't notice 360 will NOT have a hd-dvd drive, so once more what exactly are you talking about?
yes it will it comes in every primium xbox thus being in xbox on launch.
Ohh boy, you don't really believe that do you? but just in case you're really believe so, i want to inform you that NO hd-dvd drive will be available at either core or premium package during launch.
yes it does play hd media man thats why it would need a mediacenter pc to stream valid licensed media.
did you read the article? i guess no, neither did you read another article a few months ago stating the same, that you'll not be able to stream movies from a HD media on 360, even if you have media center PC, and i can think a very good reason for that, it's because that DRM'ed media require HDCP, a secure digital transfer protocol, only available through an HDMI connection, and yes MS got cheap on you even there. If the player detects an HDCP capable connection, then it streams the content digitally to the display device, if it's not detect such a connection, it downscales the movie to a SD resolution.
Perfect Sin
10-02-2005, 13:12
I love these little, "Screw you guys, i'm going home" things MS has done so far. And those little, "What's the catch?" things too.
Little Things:
No standard HDD
No standard wirless controllers
No BC without HDD
If you don't have a HDCP connection, NO HD MOVIE FOR YOU!
I love these little, "Screw you guys, i'm going home" things MS has done so far. And those little, "What's the catch?" things too.
Little Things:
No standard HDD
No standard wirless controllers
No BC without HDD
If you don't have a HDCP connection, NO HD MOVIE FOR YOU!
"Screw you guys, i'm going home" :lol:
come to think of it, that might as well be their motto :lol:
I wonder if it's true that you can't even store music on the hard drive. and from the sounds of it looks like half the features that MS have been spitting out needs a Media Centre PC :lol:
Oh lord if this is true... :lol:
Call of Duty 4 Review
By Justin Pinter
Moving away from cliché World War 2 story types of the past, developer Infinity Ward brings players a fresh new experience in the modern world of terrorism and nuclear warfare. For those of you who are still stuck playing Resistance Fall of Man, with nothing else available to help make your PS3 shine, look no further, Call of Duty 4 offers everything and more with its photo realistic graphics to its deep multiplayer gameplay.
To start things off, let’s talk about the single player. In Call of Duty 4, players will traverse across many different countries playing as two different soldiers. The game begins with Sgt. John "Soap" MacTavish, and a young Capt. Price boarding a barge from helicopter during a storm on the sea. This part of the story plays as prologue, 15 years before the general events of the game take place. What’s great about this opening level (entitled “Crew Expendableâ€
The_Only
11-21-2007, 10:23
Excellent, been looking forward to this.
I will get the rest of the news up after i've had breakfast here then make a start on this.
okay...yeah I just posted an article that needs to go up asap.
Here are flash images:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a177/nousemercenary/cod4_flash.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a177/nousemercenary/cod4_flash_small.jpg
The_Only
11-21-2007, 11:24
I will start this now.
The_Only
11-21-2007, 12:01
Justin, while this was a good review, I feel that you failed to bring up some key areas:
There's virtually nothing mentioned about the general gameplay itself. What sort of objectives do you have in the game? are they varied? repetitive? what type of weaponry can you get? Is it a linear experience or do you have multiple paths to take?
Other than that it was very well done, only a few edits required. However, I personally feel you need to expand it a little more with those areas described above.
The descriptions about the various Acts almost read like a brief spoiler of the story, rather than a review of the game itself. I don't think there's any need to mention about the fact your character dies at the end of the first act, for example.
ok...let me do some edits and add a few paragraphs on the stuff you mentioned...I am really tired right now so they'll have to be done tomorrow.
The_Only
11-21-2007, 13:02
That's cool, no problem. Sorry to be a pain, but I feel as editor its my duty not to let these things slip; me and you and anyone else who has played COD knows what to expect, but there's always the casual/uninformed punter to think about.
I would gladly add it myself but I haven't played the game, otherwise it wouldn't be a problem.
Cheers!
ps3 Wanna be
11-21-2007, 14:32
Justin! Damn your spoiler!
Also remember to be critical. I have found that in your prior reviews Justin you 'negative' points have all been a bit wishy washy.
We all know COD4 is a great game, but all games have flaws and its important in the interest of balance and sounding real that you find and mention them. If you cant find them then you are being too nice.
okay...I added another negative and added an extra 242 words... Basically these paragraphs:
When looking at mission types, Call of Duty 4 offers a wide range of different objectives that you and your squad must accomplish, some very linear and some offering multiple paths to your checkpoints. Things you may encounter include everything from defending specific locations to rescuing and escorting VIP members to safe extraction points. For example, in “All Gillied Upâ€
The_Only
11-22-2007, 09:15
Live.
Much better, Justin - good job.
Typo: Call of Duty: Modern Warfare, instead of of Modern Warefare
The_Only
11-24-2007, 09:41
Fixed.
I'd just like to apologise to anyone for my sloppy editing this week; i've made some very stupid one letter typos.