NFL Thread

[nskinnear]

It's pick your poison with him. You give him time, he'll pick you apart. You blitz him, he'll find his hot read. The Colts just have the Ravens' number.

Sorry for the obscene comments. I'll be sure to refrain from criticizing Teflon Don in the future.
I'm just disappointed all around. Receivers were dropping balls, we were committing stupid penalties, the DBs played like ****. I almost kicked the wall in when Ed Reed intercepted the ball TWICE for nothing.

Next year will be a tough year if we don't improve on the defensive side (mainly with the DBs). We also need some new receivers, since I have a feeling this may have been Mason's last year.

[$Greatness$]

Well...Well...Well! My Ravens were once again ousted as frauds by the Colts. Funny how times change over the course of one week. Love that ED Reed still doesn't know when to fold. If Mark Clayton is...

[bash]

Special team players never get into the Hall of Fame.

[Dave]

Special team players never get into the Hall of Fame.

Yeah, because Jan Stenerud, a kicker for the Packers/Chiefs/Vikes wasn't elected to the Hall of Fame in 1991.

http://www.c-u-w.net/pics/smilies/smiley-gross-rofl.gif

[nskinnear]

Special team players never get into the Hall of Fame.
Matt Stover is easily a Hall of Fame player.

[bash]

Matt Stover is easily a Hall of Fame player.

It doesn't matter, they never get selected, there isn't one special teams player in the hall of fame.

Edit: Well there is one Kicker. It's still extremely hard to get into the hall of fame as a kicker as they are nearly never selected.

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.aspx?PlayerId=203

[Dave]

It doesn't matter, they never get selected, there isn't one special teams player in the hall of fame.
http://www.c-u-w.net/pics/smilies/smiley-gross-rofl.gif

[nskinnear]

It doesn't matter, they never get selected, there isn't one special teams player in the hall of fame.
Jan Stenerud - 1967-1985

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx

[R_Mac_1]

Dude....Dave said it already. There is one kicker in the hall of fame. Jan Stenerud.

Yeah...it's only one. But, I'm sure more will go in the future.


"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt."

[Dave]

Jan Stenerud - 1967-1985

http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/positions.aspx

Lol We could even qualify George Blanda who was also a Placekicker for 26 years as well in the NFL.

[bash]

Dude....Dave said it already. There is one kicker in the hall of fame. Jan Stenerud.

He's on my ignore list, I don't see any of his posts.

[nskinnear]

He's on my ignore list, I don't see any of his posts.
Do you see mine?

[R_Mac_1]

Forgot about Blanda. QB and kicker in the NFL and AFL.

Good call, Dave.

[bash]

Do you see mine?

I saw it after my edit...


Forgot about Blanda. QB and kicker in the NFL and AFL.

Well ya, but its epically hard to get into the NFL HOF as just a kicker. Its been what 19 years and we still don't have any other kicker in there.

IMO The only I'd say Sebastian Janikowski (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Janikowski) should get in when he retires, I've yet to see someone with that kind of power in his leg.

[nskinnear]

Well ya, but its epically hard to get into the NFL HOF as just a kicker. Its been what 19 years and we still don't have any other kicker in there.
Stover has all the credentials to get into the HOF.

[bash]

Stover has all the credentials to get into the HOF.

Adam Vinatieri will get in way before Stover just because of his 4 superbowl rings.

[Dave]

Stover has all the credentials to get into the HOF.

LOL @ Trying to debate someone who just recommended Sebastian Janikowski as a HOF candidate with his career FG% of 78%.

[nskinnear]

Adam Vinatieri will get in way before Stover just because of his 4 superbowl rings.
Stover has better stats than Vinatieri in every single category for their position. He also has a Super Bowl ring.

If Super Bowl wins counted more than actual statistics, Dan Marino wouldn't be in the Hall of Fame.

[bash]

LOL @ Trying to debate someone who just recommended Sebastian Janikowski as a HOF candidate with his career FG% of 78%.

Are you a dumbass that can't read?

"IMO The only I'd say Sebastian Janikowski should get in when he retires, I've yet to see someone with that kind of power in his leg."

You're looking at his FG % when I said because of his range? Dum*********. :rolleyes:

YouTube- Janikowski 64 yard FG attempt

His long is 62 that he made, but that one would of been good from 64 but it hit the upright (it had more then enough distance (would of been good from like 70)

[Dave]

Hey guys, let's put Michael Vick in the Hall of Fame because he can throw the ball further than anyone else -- who cares if he only completes 50% of his passes, LOL.

His arm strength is unrivaled.

http://www.c-u-w.net/pics/smilies/smiley-gross-rofl.gif

[nskinnear]

Are you a dumbass that can't read?

"IMO The only I'd say Sebastian Janikowski should get in when he retires, I've yet to see someone with that kind of power in his leg."

You're looking at his FG % when I said because of his range? Dum*********. :rolleyes:

YouTube- Janikowski 64 yard FG attempt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuzrVYgRhAI)

His long is 62 that he made, but that one would of been good from 64 but it hit the upright (it had more then enough distance)
Leg strength means nothing when he is NOT ACCURATE.

Seriously.

[Dave]

Leg strength means nothing when he is NOT ACCURATE.

Seriously.

Don't be stupid Nick -- He can kick the ball a mile with his bad leg with a run up on crutches.

[bash]

Leg strength means nothing when he is NOT ACCURATE.

Seriously.

He is accurate enough and his amazing season this year.



FGA: 29
FGM: 26
PCT: 89.7
LNG: 61
http://www.nfl.com/players/careerstats?id=JAN400354
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@ Stover, he sucks compared to Vinatieri when it comes to Long field goals + Vinatieri hold like every post season record.

50+
Stover: 13/31= 41.9%
Vinatieri: 10/22=45.5%

40-49
Stover: 108/180=60%
Vinatieri: 85/120=70.8%

30-39
Stover: 145/160=90.6%
Vinatieri: 108/130=83%

[nskinnear]

Career Field Goal %:

Stover: 83.7%
Vinatieri: 82.0%


Field Goals Made:

Stover: 471
Vinatieri: 338


Career Extra Point %:

Stover: 99.5
Vinatieri: 98.1


Extra Points Made:

Stover: 591
Vinatieri: 514


Via www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com)

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EDIT: Seems we're talking about different players. Nevermind.

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EDIT #2: http://www.nfl.com/players/sebastianjanikowski/profile?id=JAN400354

Looks like Stover still beats Janikowski in every category.

[bash]

Career Field Goal %:

Stover: 83.7%
Vinatieri: 82.0%


Field Goals Made:

Stover: 471
Vinatieri: 338


Career Extra Point %:

Stover: 99.5
Vinatieri: 98.1


Extra Points Made:

Stover: 591
Vinatieri: 514


Via www.nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com)

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EDIT: Seems we're talking about different players. Nevermind.

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EDIT #2: http://www.nfl.com/players/sebastianjanikowski/profile?id=JAN400354

Looks like Stover still beats Janikowski in every category.

Field goal made doesn't matter when you don't post how many they attempted and he is better at longer field goals, he just worse at short ones...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Vinatieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Stover

I used the chart on those page...

[SonyJunkie]

**** that, Steve Hauschka is making the HOF. Nick knows what I am talking about,

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[bash]

**** that, Steve Hauschka is making the HOF. Nick knows what I am talking about,

:lol: :lol: :lol:

:lol:

[nskinnear]

Field goal made doesn't matter when you don't post how many they attempted and he is better at longer field goals, he just worse at short ones...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Vinatieri

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Stover

I used the chart on those page...You just don't get it.

Vinatieri might be a better kicker from 50+ yards, but he is not a better kicker overall. You can't judge players based on only one statistic.

That would be like judging a QB based solely on how many completions over 50 yards they have.

Peyton Manning could throw for 4500 yards with a 75% completion percentage, but only have 2 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco could throw for 2500 yards with a 60% completion percentage, but have 10 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco is the better QB in that one category, but Peyton Manning is better overall.

See how that works?


**** that, Steve Hauschka is making the HOF. Nick knows what I am talking about,

:lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: He's terrible.

[SonyJunkie]

He just is not getting you Nick. He is either too ignorant or just too stubborn cause that is very simple to understand.

[bash]

You just don't get it.

Vinatieri might be a better kicker from 50+ yards, but he is not a better kicker overall. You can't judge players based on only one statistic.

That would be like judging a QB based solely on how many completions over 50 yards they have.

Peyton Manning could throw for 4500 yards with a 75% completion percentage, but only have 2 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco could throw for 2500 yards with a 60% completion percentage, but have 10 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco is the better QB in that one category, but Peyton Manning is better overall.

See how that works?


:lol: He's terrible.

Overall he's 1.7% less accurate (which is not a lot), I'd take that kind of hit when my kicker can hit from 50+ 4% better and from 40-49 11% better. And he is uber clutch kicker he holds like every playoff record.


NFL records
Most postseason field goals in a career, with 40, set during the 2006 season, surpassing Gary Anderson's previous record of 34
Most consecutive games in a single postseason with 3+ field goals: 4
Most points in postseason, career: 167
Most field goals in a single postseason: 14
Most Field Goals Lifetime in Super Bowl: 7
Most Extra Points (One Point) Lifetime in Super Bowl: 13
Total points in a single postseason: 49 in 2006 (surpassing Terrell Davis' previous record of 48)
Most Field Goals in a single NFL postseason game: 5 (tied with six others); achieved twice, with the Patriots vs. the Colts in the 2003-04 AFC Championship, and with the Colts vs. the Baltimore Ravens in 2006

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Vinatieri

[admartian]

He just is not getting you Nick. He is either too ignorant or just too stubborn cause that is very simple to understand.


You just don't get it.

Vinatieri might be a better kicker from 50+ yards, but he is not a better kicker overall. You can't judge players based on only one statistic.

That would be like judging a QB based solely on how many completions over 50 yards they have.

Peyton Manning could throw for 4500 yards with a 75% completion percentage, but only have 2 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco could throw for 2500 yards with a 60% completion percentage, but have 10 passes over 50 yards.

Joe Flacco is the better QB in that one category, but Peyton Manning is better overall.

See how that works?


:lol: He's terrible.
Don't even bother boys. :rolleyes:


Tough loss today. Pissed we still can't get our Indy monkey off our backs.
Congrats to Manning and his team for sowing up (though here in NZ, if you slide like that and at least not take the hit/or at least go out of bounds, you're sure to to cop a mocking for the rest of your life - at the very least! :lol: :snicker).


Heads up, as there's always next year for us Ravens fans. :)

[bash]

Don't even bother boys. :rolleyes:


Tough loss today. Pissed we still can't get our Indy monkey off our backs.
Congrats to Manning and his team for sowing up (though here in NZ, if you slide like that and at least not take the hit/or at least go out of bounds, you're sure to to cop a mocking for the rest of your life - at the very least! :lol: :snicker).


Heads up, as there's always next year for us Ravens fans. :)

Don't even bother? Are you ****ing crazy? You saying someone who hold multiple post season record, 4 superbowl ring and is a much better long field goal kicker is a worse candidate then someone who has 1 superbowl and 1% better overall kicking accuracy on both kicking and point after. :roll:

[R_Mac_1]

LOL. Did you just say free throw kicker?

GTFO of here.

[bash]

LOL. Did you just say free throw kicker?

GTFO of here.

You know what I mean. :roll: I'm watching TV and typing so I wasn't paying attention.

[nskinnear]

You're still not looking at the big picture.

Vinatieri is a better playoff kicker, but he's not a better kicker in the regular season -- where the majority of the games are played.

Stover has better statistics overall. There's no way to argue that.


Overall he's 1.7% less accurate (which is not a lot),He could be 0.1% less accurate -- it's still worse than Stover.


I'd take that kind of hit when my kicker can hit from 50+ 4% better and from 40-49 11% better.
Why? The majority of field goals aren't attempted from 45+ yards. I'd rather have a deadly accurate kicker from inside 40 yards, since that's where the majority of field goals are attempted anyway.

[bash]

You're still not looking at the big picture.

Vinatieri is a better playoff kicker, but he's not a better kicker in the regular season -- where the majority of the games are played.

Stover has better statistics overall. There's no way to argue that.

He could be 0.1% less accurate -- it's still worse than Stover.


Why? The majority of field goals aren't attempted from 45+ yards. I'd rather have a deadly accurate kicker from inside 40 yards, since that's where the majority of field goals are attempted anyway.

But it doesn't matter for the Hall of fame, you get all your credentials from being good in the post season.

[nskinnear]

Don't even bother? Are you ****ing crazy? You saying someone who hold multiple post season record, 4 superbowl ring and is a much better long field goal kicker is a worse candidate then someone who has 1 superbowl and 1% better overall kicking accuracy on both kicking and point after. :roll:
1. Super Bowl wins don't mean much if the players don't have the stats to back them up. Dan Marino is in the Hall of Fame with zero rings.

2. I addressed your other points in my previous post.

[bash]

1. Super Bowl wins don't mean much if the players don't have the stats to back them up. Dan Marino is in the Hall of Fame with zero rings.

2. I addressed your other points in my previous post.

Superbowl rings do matter (to an extent) but thats not the point, Playoff stats > Regular season stats.

[nskinnear]

But it doesn't matter for the Hall of fame, you get all your credentials from being good in the post season.
No, you don't. You get your credentials from how you perform both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. If a player performs relatively average in the Playoffs, but sets records and does fantastically in the regular season, they can still make the Hall of Fame.

[bash]

No, you don't. You get your credentials from how you perform both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. If a player performs relatively average in the Playoffs, but sets records and does fantastically in the regular season, they can still make the Hall of Fame.

Dan Marino is a special case but generally speaking Post season starts are far more important then regular season since everything is on the line.

[nskinnear]

Superbowl rings do matter (to an extent) but thats not the point, Playoff stats > Regular season stats.Here's a scenario:

Joe Flacco averages 120 yards a game and a 60% completion percentage for the rest of his career in the regular season.

However, he averages 300 yards a game and a 75% completion percentage in 12 Playoff games -- including 3 Super Bowl rings.

Is he a Hall of Famer?

[bash]

Here's a scenario:

Joe Flacco averages 120 yards a game and a 60% completion percentage for the rest of his career in the regular season.

However, he averages 300 yards a game and a 75% completion percentage in 12 Playoff games -- including 3 Super Bowl rings.

Is he a Hall of Famer?

Yes because he plays amazing when everything is on the line.

[R_Mac_1]

I know who my favorite kicker is: Robbie Gould.

Career FG% 85.9
Career extra points 173/174 (only miss in his first year)
never missed a FG inside 30 yards in 5 years
Third most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL

and he's on the Bears.:mrgreen:

Obviously not the best kicker ever, but he's VERY good and if he continues to play at his current level he'll go down as one of the greatest. His weak point is his range is basically 50 yards. But, I'd take a kicker who's deadly accurate inside 50 over and guy that can kick longer but is less accurate.

Good as Gould baby.

[SonyJunkie]

No, you don't. You get your credentials from how you perform both in the regular season and in the Playoffs. If a player performs relatively average in the Playoffs, but sets records and does fantastically in the regular season, they can still make the Hall of Fame.

And if you are amazing in the regular season and are even considered for the HOF, most likely you are going to do amazing no matter where you play, when you play, playoffs, pre-season, or pro bowl. You will be good everywhere. If you are amazing in the playoffs one year but are average in the regular season, I doubt you will make it.

I am saying that the regular season is better than the playoff stats cause there are just more stats in the regular season. More yards, more plays, more of everything.

[bash]

I know who my favorite kicker is: Robbie Gould.

Career FG% 85.9
Career extra points 173/174 (only miss in his first year)
never missed a FG inside 30 yards in 5 years
Third most accurate kicker in the history of the NFL

and he's on the Bears.:mrgreen:

Obviously not the best kicker ever, but he's VERY good and if he continues to play at his current level he'll go down as one of the greatest. His weak point is his range is basically 50 yards. But, I'd take a kicker who's deadly accurate inside 50 over and guy that can kick longer but is less accurate.

Ya he's really good kicker but he didn't get many shots from inside the 30 last season because cutler kept throwing picks in/near the red zone. :angry Hopefully we can get some decent WRs next year and explain to Cutler to not to force throws.

[bash]

And if you are amazing in the regular season and are even considered for the HOF, most likely you are going to do amazing no matter where you play, when you play, playoffs, pre-season, or pro bowl. You will be good everywhere. If you are amazing in the playoffs one year but are average in the regular season, I doubt you will make it.

I am saying that the regular season is better than the playoff stats cause there are just more stats in the regular season. More yards, more plays, more of everything.

Not really, there are a bunch of kickers that choke in the playoffs.

[SonyJunkie]

Not really, there are a bunch of kickers that choke in the playoffs.

Then obviously they are not HOF players. HOF players will not choke. They are near perfection at their position which is what Stover is. He is literally near perfection as a kicker.

[R_Mac_1]

Not really, there are a bunch of kickers that choke in the playoffs.
Ugh.

Of course there are.

But he said anyone who would be being considered for the HOF would most likely have good stats across the board, playoffs or not.

[$Greatness$]

Why does the NFL hate me?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/ravens-ed-reed-says-hes-split-50-50-on-whether-to-retire/1

If ED Reed retires you can bury the Ravens Defense. Well they've played great with and without him, he's still the man. Tom Zibicowski played great when he was hurt, but you can't replace Reed, my favorite Ravens football player. I also think he might retire because he isn't a big fan of John Fraudbaugh and neither am I.

[admartian]

Why does the NFL hate me?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/ravens-ed-reed-says-hes-split-50-50-on-whether-to-retire/1

If ED Reed retires you can bury the Ravens Defense. Well they've played great with and without him, he's still the man. Tom Zibicowski played great when he was hurt, but you can't replace Reed, my favorite Ravens football player. I also think he might retire because he isn't a big fan of John Fraudbaugh and neither am I.
Coach definitely has some issues (like burning TOs un-necessarily and questionable decisions just before the half).

But for Reed, and possibly Ray and Mason to retire in one season would be a major blow.

If that happens, and we somehow make the playoffs next year, then I'll be 100% behind Harbaugh.

[SonyJunkie]

That really does suck but if he is injured all the time, maybe it is time for him to retire. He had his run. One of the best Safeties in the NFL. It will be a sad day for Ravens fans when Reed and Lewis retire. Two of the best players the NFL has seen.

He is also my favorite player but when you get old and you are injured a lot, you mine as well end it instead of having a career ending injury. Going out on your own terms could be a lot better than a injury related retire.

[bash]

Why does the NFL hate me?

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2010/01/ravens-ed-reed-says-hes-split-50-50-on-whether-to-retire/1

If ED Reed retires you can bury the Ravens Defense. Well they've played great with and without him, he's still the man. Tom Zibicowski played great when he was hurt, but you can't replace Reed, my favorite Ravens football player. I also think he might retire because he isn't a big fan of John Fraudbaugh and neither am I.

He could pull a Favre and move to another team :D

Seriously though, I don't see why he would retire, he's only 31 he can play so many more season (unless he got seriously hurt).

[Noxia]

Rip thread.

[$Greatness$]

Coach definitely has some issues (like burning TOs un-necessarily and questionable decisions just before the half).

But for Reed, and possibly Ray and Mason to retire in one season would be a major blow.

If that happens, and we somehow make the playoffs next year, then I'll be 100% behind Harbaugh.

I won't be a Fraudbaugh supporter until he understand that Chris Carr nor Frank Walker are viable starting corners in the NFL. I also will not pay him any mind until he understands that Mark Clayton is also a fraud. He needs to know that you can't burn timeouts like they're made on trees. And lastly, I won't follow him until he proves to me he's a real Head Coach.


He could pull a Favre and move to another team :D

Seriously though, I don't see why he would retire, he's only 31 he can play so many more season (unless he got seriously hurt).

ED Reed is playing with serious nerve damage in his neck. If he had the surgery, it would force him to retire and he's been playing with this for like 3 years now. I pray that the day doesn't come yet. I want us to get him a ring before he leaves. The Ravens coaching staff better bring that S*** next year or I'll be thoroughly pissed.

[FdMstng99]

The Ravens couldn't catch a break last night. They had a great season and they destroyed the Pats in the first round so I am happy. Hope Reed comes back but I understand if he didn't. The Ravens really need a number 1 WR and a top tier CB.

Congrats to Indy!!

[nskinnear]

Coach definitely has some issues (like burning TOs un-necessarily and questionable decisions just before the half).

But for Reed, and possibly Ray and Mason to retire in one season would be a major blow.

If that happens, and we somehow make the playoffs next year, then I'll be 100% behind Harbaugh. I have a feeling next year is going to be a pretty long year. We need to fill a lot of different positions (CB, WR, and possible S).


That really does suck but if he is injured all the time, maybe it is time for him to retire. He had his run. One of the best Safeties in the NFL. It will be a sad day for Ravens fans when Reed and Lewis retire. Two of the best players the NFL has seen.

He is also my favorite player but when you get old and you are injured a lot, you mine as well end it instead of having a career ending injury. Going out on your own terms could be a lot better than a injury related retire.Reed and Lewis are two of the best defensive players the game has ever seen (even though Reed still doesn't know how to hold a football while running ;)).


The Ravens couldn't catch a break last night. They had a great season and they destroyed the Pats in the first round so I am happy. Hope Reed comes back but I understand if he didn't. The Ravens really need a number 1 WR and a top tier CB.

Congrats to Indy!!
If we only get one new player in the offseason this year, it has to be a decent CB.

[F34R]

I think the viks take it today...

[FdMstng99]

The way the offense looked I think a big time WR is what we really need. Sign a FA WR and draft a good young CB to go along with Webb and Foxworth. Hopefully we release Cory Ivy and Frank Walker.

[nskinnear]

I was 0-2 yesterday. Time to break even. <br />
<br />
Cowboys @ Vikings <br />
Jets @ Chargers <br />
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<br />
Yeah, with Mason probably retiring (I'll be shocked if he comes back), we need someone to take the #1 receiver slot.

[FdMstng99]

Agreed, I don't agree with drafting a WR. Seems to take them a few years to develop but would love to see Dez Bryant in a Raven uniform. <br />
<br />
Austin is intense in this game today.

[DayWalker]

sigh... I recommend everyone just ignore him.
The internet is making me forget that he is just a kid who is still getting used to having pubs.

he's not someone I would talk sports with in real life...
so I probably shouldn't trash talk with him on the internet.

he's like one of those 13 year olds on LIVE.... :lol:

[Lethalmind]

I just went on NFL.com to look at some stats and was completely unaware of the fact that Gaines Adams died. Shame. It's been rough sledding for him with football in his young career.

[FdMstng99]

I just went on NFL.com to look at some stats and was completely unaware of the fact that Gaines Adams died. Shame. It's been rough sledding for him with football in his young career.

Yeah I forgot about this, heard about it on the radio this morning. They didn't know how he died earlier this morning, do they know what happened to him?

[Lethalmind]

NFL.com's report says it was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart.

[bash]

LOLz! Another fumble XD Looks like I'll be 2-1 :)

[F34R]

dallas is getting manhandled by the viks def.

I picked both winners yesterday, and I'm on track today.

[FdMstng99]

NFL.com's report says it was cardiac arrest due to an enlarged heart.

Wow that is just horrible.

[Noxia]

I fell asleep at half time on Ravens game but you could tell it wasn't their night by then. I'm confident Vikings are gonna do the Cowboys.

[FdMstng99]

I fell asleep at half time on Ravens game but you could tell it wasn't their night by then. I'm confident Vikings are gonna do the Cowboys.

Yeah Nox you didn't miss much last night.

The Cowboys offense just looks uninspired, the Viks defense is just doing whatever they want to them.

[DayWalker]

Wow that is just horrible.

apparently even millionaires with access to the best doctors in the world can go 26 years without this being diagnosed...

healthcare in america :roll:

[nskinnear]

Well, this isn't what I expected...

[FdMstng99]

apparently even millionaires with access to the best doctors in the world can go 26 years without this being diagnosed...

healthcare in america :roll:

I guess I'm just lazy to look it up but is there any warning signs that you actually have an enlarged heart?

[DayWalker]

I guess I'm just lazy to look it up but is there any warning signs that you actually have an enlarged heart?

:lol: honestly i have no idea.

according to the movie John Q starring my boy Denzel Washington... yes. ;)

[FdMstng99]

:lol: honestly i have no idea.

according to the movie John Q starring my boy Denzel Washington... yes. ;)


Yes I remember that movie. Denzel is one of my favs as well, really want to see "The Book of Eli".

[Noxia]

Yes I remember that movie. Denzel is one of my favs as well, really want to see "The Book of Eli".

That a book about how to cope with being second best to a superiorly talented brother?

[FdMstng99]

That a book about how to cope with being second best to a superiorly talented brother?

I have no idea Nox.

[Dave]

That a book about how to cope with being second best to a superiorly talented brother?

LMAO.

Also LOL @ Fd for not getting the joke.

[R_Mac_1]

Sad to hear about Gaines Adams. Kind of a bust in TB but I guess Marinelli saw something he liked.

I wonder if this will change how they handle Ogunleye and Anderson's expiring contracts.

LOL @ Noxia. More like the book of Manning.

[FdMstng99]

LMAO.

Also LOL @ Fd for not getting the joke.


LOL I got it now!!! I get a little slow when watching the Cowboys play football.

[Noxia]

Dave did you get my PM on the U? I sent you one but it didn't appear in my Sent box.

[bash]

How was that hold not called? :mad:

[DayWalker]

Nox that was brilliant :lol:

[Dave]

Dave did you get my PM on the U? I sent you one but it didn't appear in my Sent box.

Yeah, I got it... Twice.

[bash]

SACKED! :cool: Missed FG LOL

[Noxia]

Yeah, I got it... Twice.

Ah sorry. I couldn't remember if I sent it so I checked my sent box, saw nothing and sent it again. Clearly it's a big issue to just me lol.

Will you do a Superbowl bookie event?

[FdMstng99]

Damn 2 FG misses. Can see why the Redskins released him. Still can't believe all the field goals that were missed this year.

[F34R]

Dallas = fail

[R_Mac_1]

You can see why no one respects place kickers. You have a guy that basically has taken his team from being one score down to 14 pts. Leaving pts. on the field FTL.

Vikings are looking impressive.

[bash]

Perfect punt! :eek:

[FdMstng99]

LOL the punter is getting some love on TV.

[Noxia]

He didn't actually run into the kicker.

[bash]

Seriously, where did all the Cowboys fans that were talking **** before the game gone to?


He didn't actually run into the kicker.

Ya...

["X"]

3 fumbles by romo, shhaaaaammmee.

[bash]

INT! This game is over.

[FdMstng99]

Same ole Cowboys!!

[Noxia]

Today I discovered peanut butter coated pretzels.

[The Sith]

season over for us guys we had a great run no one expected us to win the division nor make the playoffs.

[bash]

Who are you guys picking to win the next game? My pick is Chargers but I'm rooting for the Jets. <br />
<br />
2-1 so far :cool:

[The Sith]

chargers all the way.

[FdMstng99]

Today I discovered peanut butter coated pretzels.

Yes they are very good. Haven't had them in a while tho, hard to find around here.

Have you had chocolate covered pretzels before? They are good too.

["X"]

Prince >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[nskinnear]

Chargers, but I'm probably wrong again.

[nskinnear]

Yes they are very good. Haven't had them in a while tho, hard to find around here.

Have you had chocolate covered pretzels before? They are good too.
They're the best. The white chocolate ones are good, too.

[bash]

TD RICE!!!!!!!!! FAVRE DOES IT AGAIN! :cool:

[FdMstng99]

Have to go with Rex Ryan and the Jets!!

[bash]

Ya, I this game is so hard to pick, I think it'll be close but Chargers will find a way to win.

[Noxia]

Yes they are very good. Haven't had them in a while tho, hard to find around here.

Have you had chocolate covered pretzels before? They are good too.

FO! You live in the US, they're hard to find here!!!!!! They were from an import shop place. Not tried chocolate yet but I'm sure I will.

[FdMstng99]

Man I may have to make a run to the store to pick up some before the Chargers Jets game!! ;)

[F34R]

I think the Chargers are going to win it.... if they do, i'll be 4-0 in the play-offs... <br />
Saints will beat the Viks, and Colts will beat the Chargers... 6-0, and Saints will beat the Colts......

[bash]

If Chargers get past the Jets they're going to beat the Colts. I'll bet you all my points on that. <br />
<br />
Edit: STOPPED ON 4th and 4 :)

[FdMstng99]

Did you put any money on the playoffs?

[nskinnear]

No one is beating the Colts this year.

[F34R]

Ha They just showed a graphic for the NFC CHamp game.. Dal vs Saints LOL. <br />
<br />
No I don't have any money on anyone this year. Chargers will beat the Jets, however they will fall short, WAY short,...

[FdMstng99]

No one is beating the Colts this year.


I don't think anyone in the AFC can beat the Colts but I think the Saints or the Viks could.

[Dave]

Did you put any money on the playoffs?

Fairweather fans can't bet on football.

They'd have no idea who to bet on because they only favor the winner after it's been played.

[R_Mac_1]

What about pretzels covered with peanut butter AND chocolate? MMMMMMmmmm


Or the Take 5 bar. Pretty good too.
http://www.78west.com/eden/tmw_images/take5_1.jpg

[bash]

Man I can't wait till I'm 18 so I can bet on NFL games :( I would of made some much money so far :(

["X"]

lol @ brookings being upset, hope brett runs the score up some more.

[FdMstng99]

Haven't had that before, may try it out. Going out soon to pick up some chocolate covered pretzels before the Charger game. Might as well pick this up too. ;)

[R_Mac_1]

lol @ brookings being upset, hope brett runs the score up some more.
Agreed. This isn't high school. If you don't want them to score, stop playing like crap.

Brooking's just a hothead anyways.

[FdMstng99]

Wonder if Jerry Jones asked Favre to be the Cowboys QB next year? ;)

[DayWalker]

gotta say it- Farve is handling his biz-nazz...

impressive.

now- will someone please shut Philip Rivers up!?

[Noxia]

Aside from those Reese's peanut butter cups I don't care much for American chocolate, mind you I don't care much for euro chocolate either. Oh, I like those Hersheys whoppers though.
I never had any doubt about the Vikings game.

[PhillyPhreak]

lol at Keith Brooking getting pissed at Favre for the last TD.

[FdMstng99]

lol at Keith Brooking getting pissed at Favre for the last TD.

LOL Maybe Keith Brooking and the Dallas defense should step up and stop them from scoring.

[R_Mac_1]

Aside from those Reese's peanut butter cups I don't care much for American chocolate, mind you I don't care much for euro chocolate either. Oh, I like those Hersheys whoppers though.
I never had any doubt about the Vikings game.
I have no problem with our chocolate, but it's what I grew up with so of course I don't mind it.

My wife's aunt took a trip to Europe a couple years ago and brought back some chocolate from Switzerland and it was GOOD. Best I ever had.

[bash]

I was looking at the bets and seriously some of these are so ez. Like Jones rushing more/less then 70 yards or Sanchaz throwing for 170 (more or less).

http://www.sportsinteraction.com/football/nfl-prop-betting/

[FdMstng99]

I have no problem with our chocolate, but it's what I grew up with so of course I don't mind it.

My wife's aunt took a trip to Europe a couple years ago and brought back some chocolate from Switzerland and it was GOOD. Best I ever had.


I just started getting into the dark chocolate. I usually stick to the 85 to 90 percent cocoa.

[bash]

I just started getting into the dark chocolate. I usually stick to the 85 to 90 percent cocoa.

How can you eat those, they are so bitter :|

[FdMstng99]

How can you eat those, they are so bitter :|

I just love'em. But they are expensive as hell!!!

[R_Mac_1]

My all-time favorite chocolate treat is... <br />
<br />
Pixies <br />
<br />
<br />
If you don't know they're pecans covered in caramel and chocolate. <br />
<br />
But back on topic...that Vikings Saints game should be a good one. ...

[Noxia]

I just started getting into the dark chocolate. I usually stick to the 85 to 90 percent cocoa.

I remember a friend asking me if I liked hte taste of dark chocolate. I said yes, but turns out we weren't talking about the same thing :-|

[FdMstng99]

Always eat them around the holidays. <br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
The real dark chocolate is the 85 to 90 percent cocoa, then there is dark chocolate that more people like similar to milk chocolate. Reese cups now...

[$Greatness$]

Because of Rex...

J.E.T.S JETS! JETS! JETS!

[Noxia]

Always eat them around the holidays.




The real dark chocolate is the 85 to 90 percent cocoa, then there is dark chocolate that more people like similar to milk chocolate. Reese cups now come in dark chocolate but its not the same as the real deal dark chocolate.


Gotta hit the store before this game gets started. Go Jets!!

This particular friend was South Africa ;)

[Tribunal]

LOL Maybe Keith Brooking and the Dallas defense should step up and stop them from scoring.

I noticed that. I don't see why they should stop trying to score just because you're bad. :lol:

[FdMstng99]

Exactly!! :lol: <br />
<br />
<br />
Chargers/Jets game is better then I thought it would be. Still early tho!! Got my chocolate covered pretzels and now I'm set!!! ;)

[bash]

They should win the Challenge, JETS BALL :)

OMFG! **** U REFS! That was a ****ing catch and fumble. :angry

[nskinnear]

Almost forgot:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5ckavl.gif

[R_Mac_1]

They did win the challenge, but it's not Jets ball. <br />
<br />
Jets didn't challenge it, the Chargers did. <br />
<br />
And I think it was a catch and fumble.

[bash]

Almost forgot:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5ckavl.gif

:lol:

[FdMstng99]

Almost forgot:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5ckavl.gif


Oh no!! Wonder if they'll show this on the big screen at the stadium? ;)

[bash]

That was a terrible call. Jets should of got the ball. :angry Refs screwed over the Jets.

[DayWalker]

jets have no offense... shocking.

they are in this game merely by accident.

[bash]

jets have no offense... shocking.

they are in this game merely by accident.

Spoke too soon. Must be channeling there anger from the bad call ;)

[DayWalker]

Spoke too soon. Must be channeling there anger from the bad call ;)

???

a first down = spoke too soon?

[bash]

???

a first down = spoke too soon?

Much more then that... They have momentum now...

[admartian]

Agreed. I'd rather Ed retired on his own terms. Plus, we have Ruki and ZIbby to fill in for a season or two till we draft Ed's replacement (though, it will never be the same finding someone with the...

[DayWalker]

2 first down = spoke to soon? :lol:

what do they have? 72 total yards :lol:

[R_Mac_1]

Much more then that... They have momentum now...
Apparently it's not just the American schooling system that has failed today's youth.

Much more than that

channeling their anger

lose, not loose

Every post man. I know I shouldn't nitpick but it's getting to me.

[bash]

2 first down = spoke to soon? :lol:

what do they have? 72 total yards :lol:

Well its better then before (16 yards) and they're going down the field.

[nskinnear]

Apparently it's not just the American schooling system that has failed today's youth.

Much more than that

channeling their anger

lose, not loose

Every post man. I know I shouldn't nitpick but it's getting to me.
For all intensive purposes, he could care less.



;)

[R_Mac_1]

For all intensive purposes, he could care less.



;)
:snicker

[bash]

Apparently it's not just the American schooling system that has failed today's youth.

Much more than that

channeling their anger

lose, not loose

Every post man. I know I shouldn't nitpick but it's getting to me.

I know that but I can't help it, I just type it like that it's second nature now. I just fixed typing your for you're. I guess I'll work on those...

[R_Mac_1]

I think Jared Allen has the worst hair in football.

At least he lost the steps, I guess.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Uz50LIsRni4/STl0mw03DaI/AAAAAAAAAgw/hTWhCjWH9Lw/s320/Jared+Allens+mullett.jpg

[admartian]

I think Jared Allen has the worst hair in football.

At least he lost the steps, I guess.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Uz50LIsRni4/STl0mw03DaI/AAAAAAAAAgw/hTWhCjWH9Lw/s320/Jared+Allens+mullett.jpg
Such a bogan. :rolleyes:

[R_Mac_1]

I had to look up bogan. :lol:

I think we'd say redneck.

[FdMstng99]

I had to look up bogan. :lol:

I think we'd say redneck.


:lol: Was wondering what bogan meant as well. Yeah redneck all the way!!

[R_Mac_1]

Either way, he's pretty damn good. <br />
<br />
Chargers need to step their game up. They can play better than that.

[admartian]

:lol: Was wondering what bogan meant as well. Yeah redneck all the way!!


I had to look up bogan. :lol:

I think we'd say redneck.
Lol Sorry boys. Need to use an English to English translator next time! ;) :lol:

Dude got schooled by Oher though. :snicker

[F34R]

Neither team is looking like they'd even challenge the Colts 2nd team.

[R_Mac_1]

Wow, for a moment I was wondering how the refs could have missed such an easy call.

But then I saw the replay and they're totally right. Nice play by Revis.

[bash]

REVIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMFG! W00T! I can't believe he caught that!

[FdMstng99]

Lol Sorry boys. Need to use an English to English translator next time! ;) :lol:

Dude got schooled by Oher though. :snicker


:lol:

Yeah Oher shut him down pretty good. It's only a matter of time before he's starting at LT.

[admartian]

Dunno about that. I think if the Chargers played the Colts, they'd be able to hang with Peyton. The Chargers D will do enough against Manning, and I'm sure Rivers will be able to throw it around. <br />
...

[bash]

Chargers are facing the #1 D in the NFL the Colts D is ranked #18. :roll: <br />
<br />
JETS INT! Hopefully they can jam it in here :)

[FdMstng99]

Hope the Jets can take advantage of that INT.

[DayWalker]

come on jets... please no **** teasing...

[bash]

YES! Late hit! :)

[bash]

TD JETS! W00t!

[FdMstng99]

The Jets D is just going to be nasty now with the lead. Hopefully they can hold on.

[admartian]

Interesting...

I think if the Jets can score on D then the game is over. See how they do here.

[DayWalker]

one more TO and the jets got this...

come on Jets! COME ON!!!

[FdMstng99]

WOW...I thought the Jets had the ball. Now the offense needs to take some time off the clock and score.

[DayWalker]

Atta baby phillip!!!!

[bash]

I'm calling it right know. Saints vs Jets superbowl.

GREENE ALL THE WAY! :)

[FdMstng99]

Gone!!!! TD Jets!!!

[DayWalker]

Yeah!!!! Go **** yourself san diego!!!!

[FdMstng99]

The Chargers even knew they were going to run the ball with all the men in the box and they still ran the ball and scored.

[admartian]

It's over SD. Jets will just keep shutting you down now and run the clock.

[FdMstng99]

That was a terrible idea to give the ball to the Chargers at mid-field.

[DayWalker]

not over. jets need to finish. <br />
<br />
wouldn't be surprised if the chargers score before the 5 min mark

[FdMstng99]

Yeah, I could see this one going into OT.

[DayWalker]

no quick scores. no quick scores. make em earn it

[FdMstng99]

If the Chargers lose this game do you think Norv Turner is the HC next season? <br />
<br />
Another missed field goal...WOW. Seen enough of them this season.

[DayWalker]

missed it!!!!

game over!!!

**** you san diego!!!

[bash]

Next weeks Picks.
---------------------------
Jets over Colts (They'll force Colts to regret resting their players and giving the Jets the win that got them in the playoffs)

Saints over Vikings.

[Noxia]

Lol at someone on here getting 0 out of 4 on playoff predictions.

[bash]

Who? I was 2-2 I though the Jets could hang with the chargers but they couldn't win, but I guess I was wrong...

[DayWalker]

game is not over....

[admartian]

It's all on the onside kick here...

[DayWalker]

why did they not kcik that away?

2 Time outs... (2 min warn)

a 3 and out and they get the ball at the 40 yard line with 1:20 left!!!

stupid

[admartian]

I reckon if they can get a 3 and out, they'll probably have a minute left (tops).

Very slim for SD right now.

[bash]

They'll get it close enough for FG IMO.

[DayWalker]

but they are down by 3!

and unless its a great punt... they would have the ball at the 30-40 yard line.

...Kaedings got to hit eventually right? :lol:

[DayWalker]

go for it.

one yard with the game on the line. this is where winners win.

don't throw it!!!

[admartian]

Game on the line...

[admartian]

It must have been love...
YouTube- its must have been love


BUT IT'S OVER NOW!

[nskinnear]

Lol at someone on here getting 0 out of 4 on playoff predictions.
It's not a laughing matter :(.


Good thing I didn't put actual money down.

[FdMstng99]

Jackson is a free agent now and should sign with the Ravens.

Go Jets.

[admartian]

Jackson is a free agent now and should sign with the Ravens.

Go Jets.
Jackson...?

[FdMstng99]

Vincent Jackson, the Chargers WR.

["X"]

Jackson is a free agent now and should sign with the Ravens.

Go Jets.

:lol: I hope he's smarter then that.

[admartian]

What? <br />
<br />
The Ravens are a WR away from contending. Heck, they're doing fine with the scraps we have (no disrespect to Mason). <br />
<br />
Oh, gotcha. <br />
<br />
What about the Final 8 rule though? And how old is he...

[DayWalker]

I wanna see rivers post game interview!!!

[Tribunal]

I think Jared Allen has the worst hair in football.

At least he lost the steps, I guess.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Uz50LIsRni4/STl0mw03DaI/AAAAAAAAAgw/hTWhCjWH9Lw/s320/Jared+Allens+mullett.jpg

The lines represent all the sacks he got during the season.

...He started that craziness in KC a couple years back.

[FdMstng99]

What?

The Ravens are a WR away from contending. Heck, they're doing fine with the scraps we have (no disrespect to Mason).

Oh, gotcha.

What about the Final 8 rule though? And how old is he anyways?

I think we can pick him up since we were all in the final 8. Can't remember all that went into that rule. Not sure how old he is but I'm sure he is under 30. He's been in the NFL for I think 5 seasons.

[bash]

The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.

There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club.

For all practical purposes, free agency will not have any teeth in 2010 and close to 200 players hoping to hit a big pay day will have to wait at least a year and risk injury.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d808736ba&template=with-video&confirm=true

[FdMstng99]

:lol: I hope he's smarter then that.


If I was him I wouldn't leave the SD area either, just hope the Ravens will through a few extra million at him.

["X"]

IMO, he has a better chance getting a ring with the chargers then he has with the ravens. I think they just had a bad game, just unfortunate it was in the playoffs. Prior to this they came off a 11...

[FdMstng99]

The Chargers have had some great teams lately but they only perform during the seasons, they seem to always choke in the playoffs. <br />
<br />
The Ravens are now becoming a more balanced team, its just not...

[admartian]

True, true. <br />
<br />
I still think him and Joe would make a real good tandem.

[FdMstng99]

True, true.

I still think him and Joe would make a real good tandem.

Don't forget lil Ray Ray (Ray Rice). ;)

[admartian]

Don't forget lil Ray Ray (Ray Rice). ;)
I salivate at the idea of us finally getting a deep threat WR, with a decent guy opposite him or in the slot; as well as the threat of a Baby Ray screen/run.

They knew what we were going to do on offense this year, yet could barely stop Rice! ;) :D

[FdMstng99]

I salivate at the idea of us finally getting a deep threat WR, with a decent guy opposite him or in the slot; as well as the threat of a Baby Ray screen/run.

They knew what we were going to do on offense this year, yet could barely stop Rice! ;) :D

Would love to have Mason stay as a solid number 2 WR and keep Washington and DWill as well.

[bash]

That is if Reed doesn't retire if he does then there goes your defense.

[F34R]

oh well, 3-1.... Chargers gave that game away.

[FdMstng99]

That is if Reed doesn't retire if he does then there goes your defense.

Sad to say but our defense was just as good with Zbikowski playing in place of Reed during the season. Reed does make big plays and he is an impact player but he's usually caught out of position to do his free roaming. Zbikowski stayed where he should have been and mid season the defense was getting better.

[nskinnear]

That is if Reed doesn't retire if he does then there goes your defense.
Reed isn't our whole team.

I think the strength of our defense lies in the run-stoppers up front.

[admartian]

Sad to say but our defense was just as good with Zbikowski playing in place of Reed during the season. Reed does make big plays and he is an impact player but he's usually caught out of position to do his free roaming. Zbikowski stayed where he should have been and mid season the defense was getting better.
Yep, it seems Nakamura and Zbikowski are real solid contributors on D. If Reed indeed retires this year, I have no doubts that either of them could at least fill in adequately, especially now Landry is on form again.

Though, it would not be the same. :(

[FdMstng99]

Yep, it seems Nakamura and Zbikowski are real solid contributors on D. If Reed indeed retires this year, I have no doubts that either of them could at least fill in adequately, especially now Landry is on form again.

Though, it would not be the same. :(

Could never replace an Ed Reed but it helps that Landry started playing up to his ability. Zib had some big INT during the season as well.

[admartian]

Could never replace an Ed Reed but it helps that Landry started playing up to his ability. Zib had some big INT during the season as well.
Yep, won't be one like him for a while.

Would like to see more 3 safety/3 LB sets for those not-so-obvious run/pass situations on 3rd down (3rd and 5 sort of downs) - the extra safety help would be good, but these guys can also play the run pretty solidly.

[FdMstng99]

Yep, won't be one like him for a while.

Would like to see more 3 safety/3 LB sets for those not-so-obvious run/pass situations on 3rd down (3rd and 5 sort of downs) - the extra safety help would be good, but these guys can also play the run pretty solidly.

We just need some sold CB. Webb was playing very well before his injury and Foxworth stepped it up when Webb got hurt. If we can add another solid CB we should be good in the secondary even if Reed does retire.

Reed hasn't been playing like Reed since his neck injury, he shows flashes of what he used to do but he's not the same. I still hope he comes back, offenses scheme away from Reed.

[admartian]

We just need some sold CB. Webb was playing very well before his injury and Foxworth stepped it up when Webb got hurt. If we can add another solid CB we should be good in the secondary even if Reed does retire.

Reed hasn't been playing like Reed since his neck injury, he shows flashes of what he used to do but he's not the same. I still hope he comes back, offenses scheme away from Reed.
With our need at WR, I dunno if we can even find a good FA CB. Unless we find another gem in the draft (a la Webb) that can contribute right away.

Though I'm not sure how deep the draft or if we can even pick up a CB (if there are any) if we pick up someone like Vincent Jackson.


BTW, have you guys been to the official Ravens board? It's kind of a meltdown in there... :roll:

[FdMstng99]

With our need at WR, I dunno if we can even find a good FA CB. Unless we find another gem in the draft (a la Webb) that can contribute right away.

Though I'm not sure how deep the draft or if we can even pick up a CB (if there are any) if we pick up someone like Vincent Jackson.


BTW, have you guys been to the official Ravens board? It's kind of a meltdown in there... :roll:

Don't think there is a big time free agent CB in this year. Guess we just have to hope we can draft another guy like Webb. We can get a WR in free agency this year, hopefully we will pick one up.

[Theft]

Vincent Jackson will be a Patriot next year.

[play_b3yond_313]

Next weeks picks.

Colts over Jets.
Saints over Vikings.

Colts vs Saints in Superbowl. Epic.

[bash]

Vincent Jackson will be a Patriot next year.

:lol:

[Yuuichi]

Next weeks picks.

Colts over Jets.
Saints over Vikings.

Colts vs Saints in Superbowl. Epic.

I hope so.

So all these hype teams have gotten it handed to them. Colts had ravens on lock down, expect the same for the jets.

[Dave]

I hope so.

So all these hype teams have gotten it handed to them. Colts had ravens on lock down, expect the same for the jets.

Last time I checked, Jets had the starting Colts team on lock down as well... 15 points through 3 quarters is ridiculously low for the Colts.

[Tribunal]

I hope so.

No love for the old man? I would love to see Farve in the Superbowl. Either way, I believe the NFC is going to win big this year. Regardless if the Saints for Viks go.

[bash]

I hope so.

So all these hype teams have gotten it handed to them. Colts had ravens on lock down, expect the same for the jets.

No they didn't. The Ravens self destructed. Every time they made a big play they turned the ball over (Reed INT and Ray Rice's big run) or it got called back because of penalties (Ed reed 2ed INT and a couple big runs and a big kick off return). If they played more discipled (they had 4 turnovers) they would of won or at least would of been a really close game.

Picks.

Jets over Colts
Saints over Vikings.

[Noxia]

Good weekend all in all. Some results expected, some not. Bring on the Vikings.

[efs5030]

Welcome to my world....I know the Eagles have won in the playoffs lately they've always choked eventually or early <br />
<br />
at least Minnesota showed us how much of a fluke Dallas was...

[bash]

Welcome to my world....I know the Eagles have won in the playoffs lately they've always choked eventually or early

at least Minnesota showed us how much of a fluke Dallas was...

This was the first time they lost in the first round...

[Noxia]

Welcome to my world....I know the Eagles have won in the playoffs lately they've always choked eventually or early

at least Minnesota showed us how much of a fluke Dallas was...

They fluked both games did they? Not just better than you then.

[FdMstng99]

Welcome to my world....I know the Eagles have won in the playoffs lately they've always choked eventually or early

at least Minnesota showed us how much of a fluke Dallas was...


or it showed how dominate the Vikings really are.

I hope the Viks win the Super Bowl so Favre can retire and stay retired.



Vincent Jackson will be a Patriot next year.


You guys have Moss and Welker, you need to spread the WR love around!! ;)

[Theft]

or it showed how dominate the Vikings really are.

I hope the Viks win the Super Bowl so Favre can retire and stay retired.





You guys have Moss and Welker, you need to spread the WR love around!! ;)

I don't know if they will keep Moss on his last year. And Welker will never really be Welker again and he won't be playing until at least October. So yes, the Patriots need WR's. :) And Robert Kraft has lots of money.

[PhillyPhreak]

They fluked both games did they? Not just better than you then.
Dallas just had the Eagles' number this year (it hurts admitting that). The first game was competitive, but the last two games were just embarrassing. The Eagles didn't even make it much of a contest. It was gratifying seeing Minnesota demolish the girls, though. That DL completely abused the Cowboys OL.

I'm rooting for the Vikes to win it all because of Brad Childress and Leslie Frazier. Both were terrific assistants with the Eagles so I don't mind rooting for them. The league better wake up! Leslie Frazier can coach defense. Someone better hire him as a HC!

[Theft]

I am going with any team from the NFC to win it this year. :)

[FdMstng99]

I am going with any team from the NFC to win it this year. :)

Same here, the Viks and Saints both look great.

The Ravens can get Jackson and the Pats can have Marshall. ;)

[Theft]

Same here, the Viks and Saints both look great.

The Ravens can get Jackson and the Pats can have Marshall. ;)

I would take that deal because Marshall's problem is he wants to be on a winning team. :cool:

[PhillyPhreak]

I found a few hilarious quotes on Nate Kaeding courtesy of my Eagles brethren on the Eagles Message board.

"I heard Nate Kaeding went into the locker room in total disgust after the game...he was so mad he tried to kick his locker...but missed"

"Nate Kaeding attemted to drive his car into a tree after the game but missed wide right" :lol:

I found this, too (not real)
http://rorr.im/digg.com/football/nate_kaeding_s_attempted_suicide_according_to_wiki pedia/c4dd3a677048bcaf9fcb3193d7ab6c74.jpg

[admartian]

I found a few hilarious quotes on Nate Kaeding courtesy of my Eagles brethren on the Eagles Message board.

"I heard Nate Kaeding went into the locker room in total disgust after the game...he was so mad he tried to kick his locker...but missed"

"Nate Kaeding attemted to drive his car into a tree after the game but missed wide right" :lol:

I found this, too (not real)
http://rorr.im/digg.com/football/nate_kaeding_s_attempted_suicide_according_to_wiki pedia/c4dd3a677048bcaf9fcb3193d7ab6c74.jpg
:lol:

[FdMstng99]

I found a few hilarious quotes on Nate Kaeding courtesy of my Eagles brethren on the Eagles Message board.

"I heard Nate Kaeding went into the locker room in total disgust after the game...he was so mad he tried to kick his locker...but missed"

"Nate Kaeding attemted to drive his car into a tree after the game but missed wide right" :lol:

I found this, too (not real)
http://rorr.im/digg.com/football/nate_kaeding_s_attempted_suicide_according_to_wiki pedia/c4dd3a677048bcaf9fcb3193d7ab6c74.jpg

Heard these jokes when Hauschka got released in Baltimore. Still funny tho!! ;)

[DayWalker]

McDaniles just fired Mike Nolan...

there are no words.

[admartian]

McDaniles just fired Mike Nolan...

there are no words.
Idiot.

I'd love to have Nolan back! :D

[bash]

McDaniles just fired Mike Nolan...

there are no words.

WHAT? IS HE ****ING INSANE? He took a D that was like 29 overall and got them to 7th overall. :dunce Seriously they need the fire McDaniles.
McDanials and the Brocos Managements are insane.

Edit: Article and Source

Broncos, Nolan split; Dolphins interested in defensive coordinator
The Denver Broncos and defensive coordinator Mike Nolan agreed to part ways Monday, and a league source told NFL Network's Jason La Canfora that the veteran coach has a very good chance of joining the Miami Dolphins.

NFL.com's Steve Wyche reported that the Dolphins asked the Broncos for permission to speak to Nolan, but it isn't known if that call caused the split. Nolan told The Denver Post only that he and the Broncos had "mutually agreed to part ways," and a team-issued statement echoed that sentiment.

La Canfora's source said the Dolphins already have scheduled an interview with Nolan. They have been seeking a replacement for former defensive coordinator Paul Pasqualoni, whom they fired after the season.

A source with knowledge of the situation in Denver also told La Canfora that several teams had contacted the Broncos seeking permission to speak to Nolan. The Chicago Bears and New England Patriots are looking for defensive coordinators, too.

Nolan was credited with improving the Broncos' defense, which went from 29th in the NFL in 2008 to seventh this season under his tutelage. He's considered one of the best teachers and schemers of the 3-4 defense, which the Dolphins also run.

Nolan previously served as the defensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens (2002-04), New York Jets (2000), Washington Redskins (1997-99) and New York Giants (1993-96). He started his NFL career with the Broncos as the special teams and linebackers coach under Dan Reeves from 1987 to 1992.

Nolan was 18-37 in three-plus seasons as the San Francisco 49ers' coach before he was fired seven games into the 2008 campaign.

Nolan becomes the third member of coach Josh McDaniels' inaugural staff to depart Denver following a disappointing 8-8 season. Offensive line coach Rick Dennison left for the Houston Texans' staff, and longtime running backs coach Bobby Turner was reunited with Mike Shanahan in Washington. Both Dennison and Turner were holdovers from the Shanahan era.

The Broncos intend to interview outside candidates to replace Nolan rather than promote from within, La Canfora reported, citing a source. Dean Pees, who has strong ties to McDaniels from their New England days, recently decided not to seek a new contract from the Patriots and is a favorite to land the position in Denver.

Whoever replaces Nolan will be the Broncos' fifth defensive coordinator in a five-season span.

After being fired by 49ers, Nolan tried his hand in broadcasting but found himself wanting to return to coaching. Then McDaniels came calling, offering Nolan a chance to turn around a Denver defense that had slid under Shanahan.

Known as a defensive wizard, Nolan jumped at the challenge. He holed up in his office last offseason as he installed a new look and shuffled personnel. The Broncos tried to give Nolan the pieces, bringing in perennial Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins to serve as a leader and add a swagger that had been missing.

One of the biggest beneficiaries of Nolan's system was defensive end/linebacker Elvis Dumervil, who was able to use his long arms and low center of gravity off the edge of the line. Dumervil turned in a Pro Bowl season, finishing with an NFL-leading and team-record 17 sacks.

The Broncos started the season 6-0 and were the talk of the league. Then they went into a free fall, losing eight of their next 10 games to miss the playoffs for a fourth consecutive year.

The Broncos' defense allowed a season-high 44 points and 524 yards in a season-ending loss to the Kansas City Chiefs.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


Broncos, Nolan split; Dolphins interested in defensive coordinator (http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d815d1bfd&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true)



Broncos' defensive improvement: 2008 to 2009
Statistic 2008 2009
Points Per Game 28.0 (30th) 20.2 (tied for 12th)
Total Yards Per Game 374.6 (29th) 315.0 (7th)
Rushing Yards Per Game 146.1 (27th) 128.7 (26th)
Passing Yards Per Game 228.5 (26th) 186.3 (3rd)
Takeaways 13 (32nd) 30 (9th)

[KingJordan]

Det was a thing of beauty. No offense to Ray Rice cuz he's awesome, but he got his **** rocked saturday. Also, lol @ Peyton not looking sharp. pfffft. <br />
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Also, Garcon is dat dude. The only thing that...

[shinoff2183]

Well Im hoping the jets beat the colts that way NO can just beat up on the jets. I might get banned for a post I just made so my prediction is No over the jets SB 44.


My post was in this thread.
http://www.psu.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4869219#post4869219