View Full Version : Is anyone actuall worried about PS3 sells?
I'm asking this for one reason I looked at the sells numbers from the NPD and they look bad.
However, it doesn't really make me feel the doom and gloom. I guess it's like well they are Sony the start slow and pwn in the end.
Yea yea I'm a fanboy blind sheep etc etc... but I'm only like that because they have done it before 2x already.
When the games come and they are coming we all know that. It will be the the same as spotting a retarded kid 15pts in a game of 21 :lol:
Discuss.... Am I a blind fanboy or do you guys think similarly?
lol, very dramatic. wait a little, sony will pown again, believe me!
They are doing better than the 360 did last year. I don't think there is any reason for doom and gloom yet.
They still have to release the console in Europe too. 360 sales aren't that good in Europe if you exclude the U.K. so the PS3 has a good chance of getting a stronghold there.
With that said, Sony need more and better games plus a price drop for it to really succeed as a game console.
YoungMullah88
03-16-2007, 01:12
first of all, why should you be worried aout sales number? all you should be worried about are the games, its not like sony is paying your household fees
Mana Knight
03-16-2007, 01:13
If I didn't own a PS3, I'd probably feel bad, because I didn't have the awesome PS3 experience. But ever since I bought a PS3, the doom/gloom doesn't really phase me, since I'm really enjoying my PS3 and play it more than anything else.
ganstream1
03-16-2007, 01:19
i never look at sales figures, it doesn't concern me as a consumer.
wel; u have to w8 until the europe launch...w8 a month longer then we can compair the real sales statics globally. By then the continents won't feel like they are the only one owning a PS3. Sony's objective for now is the launch and and ensuring they can supply enough. THe marketing machine for International commercials will by then work I'm sure of that.
The only problem is the price tag and they know that.....so I expect a price drop within 6 months when they will use the smaller chip in the PS3. I know the have the big chips to...what will they do with it....other SONY stuff maybe??
What I'm worried about are there enough games available this year to mee the demand of this generation game players. I am disappointed with Genji it's some "screwed up game plastered and cramped onto a cd ship quick game"
SuperSJ-PS3
03-16-2007, 01:21
I think it sell pretty well considering that the PS3 only has 3 AAA titles out at the moment and with it high price.
PS3 Colossus
03-16-2007, 01:27
Well this time last year I'm pretty sure the 360 was in worse shape and keep in mind that they already had launched in europe. When ps3 launches there, expect about a 700,000-1mil inc. in worldwide sales.
Realistically you wont see a big spike in sales till around october or november when all the good games come out. I'm willing to bet killzone will be a system seller even though the xbots and media hate it now.
Organic_Shadow
03-16-2007, 01:28
I bet EA is worried, but oh wait, that's because all EA cares about is money.
The PAL countries will take the 1 point something mill PS3 sold, up to 3 mill sold on launch day probably. Consoles only sell when their are games that people wanna play. There are only a few titles out right now that are credible at selling consoles, so when 07 is done, the gap will decrease.
Then you have your hardcore fanboys that won't buy a console until their game comes out. You have your FF, Socom, and so on fanboys that go crazy for these titles.
Just let the PS3 get it first full year in. Sony did miss the holiday season, by not meeting demand, but in 2007 they will have plenty in stock for this holiday season.
darkiewonder
03-16-2007, 01:30
Not worried. Ps3 sales will do just fine!
A little story sort of about psp.
So I was at Circuit City Earlier showing it off to my mum. then two guys walk by and say "don't buy it" I was close to going tell them "My Cash didn't stop your mom. Did it?" haha. But then I was like. no. they are bigger than me.
EvoLutioNight
03-16-2007, 01:31
The only people worried are idiots who think its already over.
1) Its still to early
2) Blu-ray
3) its ppl who didn't buy a PS3 lose not yours
4) The PS2 will only let the PS3 take it crown
bottom line if PS3 don't rule the market, PS2 will continue to do it until it does
jakncoke
03-16-2007, 01:34
The only thing that makes me worried if the sales slump continues through months that have good/great games , then I will worry because that could lead to 3rd party support failure
ps3 sales will lower once blu-ray becomes the standard, i can't wait to get my ps3 cause the high price probably means less 8 year olds play.
also it just released in europe where as the x360 has been europe, asia, and North america for over a year.
superJoel
03-16-2007, 01:41
I am not worried, because the sale of the PS2 alone will make the PS3 a more viable option to consumers once the PS3 starts dropping in price. The PS2 is doing awesome in sales and once more games come out for the PS3... the must have games that the PS2 has... then the PS3 will pick up.
Low console sales should to a certain extent worry the average consumer and buyer of the console.
If the console sales are low, devs will abandon the platform.
It's way too early to speculate though.
FrankieG889D
03-16-2007, 01:42
I, quite honestly don't know why you are worried... if anything SONY should be worried, your not making(losing) money, SONY is.
PS3 Colossus
03-16-2007, 01:42
The following chart should calm your fears. It tallies the 360 from months 4-12 after launch in the U.S. The numbers are cumulative so you have to subtract each consecutive month to get the numbers sold in that month. Confused? Well I did the math and it looks like the 360 sold a little less than 100,000 for each month after launch until the big holiday season.
The ps3 sold 127,000 so its actually outselling what the x360 sold this time last year:
http://www.vgcharts.com/page3.html
They are doing better than the 360 did last year. I don't think there is any reason for doom and gloom yet.
They still have to release the console in Europe too. 360 sales aren't that good in Europe if you exclude the U.K. so the PS3 has a good chance of getting a stronghold there.
With that said, Sony need more and better games plus a price drop for it to really succeed as a game console.
First of all I believe the Xbox 360 sold somewhere between 200,000-250,000 xbox 360's for February. Second of all the Xbox 360 was still supply constrained in February unlike the PS3 which for the most part can be easily found in retail stores and online. And I forget the name but the store with the most PS3 preorders recently said that they have ALOT of unfilled preorders, which should not be the case in "Sony Land".
I`m not worried it will do fine. Doesn`t have a lot of good games out yet so be patient
Silverthorn
03-16-2007, 01:51
Not really worried. Way too early. Here are some words that I agree with from NPD analyst Anita Frazier:
"Frazier also cautioned that despite the slow sales for PS3 right now, it's way too early to make any judgment on the console race. "I stick with what I've said for a few months now - we won't know how the console race will turn out for months to come. Remember that the first few months of PS2 sales were relatively slow, and we know what happened with that platform. I think we will need to weigh this question at the end of 2007 - only then will we really know how all the new content and features will ultimately affect sales of the hardware," she concluded."
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=15503
SneakerHolic
03-16-2007, 01:51
I know ps3 will win! exclusive tittles, Home, Free online play.....what more can you ask?
Maddog911
03-16-2007, 01:51
I could care less. I have a ps3. I have all the games i want. Im excited for home and other games coming out towards the end of the year. Really the sales dont mean **** about the actual system. The price is just a little higher than people want to spend. But I hate these kind of threads because everyone is so worried. Well dont be. Sony is Sony. It'll be fine
Leviticus
03-16-2007, 01:56
It doesn't effect me on bit. To, why should it?
I could care less. I have a ps3. I have all the games i want. Im excited for home and other games coming out towards the end of the year. Really the sales dont mean **** about the actual system. The price is just a little higher than people want to spend. But I hate these kind of threads because everyone is so worried. Well dont be. Sony is Sony. It'll be fine
you have all the games you want??? im looking at your list of games you have only 1 is ps3 exclusives and the others are out for xbox360
spaceghostcoast2coast
03-16-2007, 02:02
YESS we should be VERY WORRIED!!!! the ps3 will sell so well that wii and xbox360 sales will fall straight to he** and console sales will be permanently halted
Then nintendo and microsoft stock values will to crap. next people will think that their stocks will crap over too so the market will be flooded with sold stocks.
After that major companies wil go bankrupt and the stock market will, crash and burn, then implode.
And even later entire countries will topple over.
And even further still the world world will go into a bloodthirsty caveman like mentality and the end of modern civilization, as we know it, will ensue.
aahhh ha ha ha ha ha haaaaa that was funny.
There is nuthin at alll to worry the f*** about aight. so calm yo nipps. just be a human and enjoy watever life has to offer then die. simple as that
mastershake86
03-16-2007, 02:13
I'm not really worried it's 4 months old! and hasn't even launched in Europe yet. If it continued through next year then yes but now no.
jonabbey
03-16-2007, 02:20
They are doing better than the 360 did last year. I don't think there is any reason for doom and gloom yet.
They're not, actually. MS sold 161k in February last year (their worst month from launch, in fact). Sony sold 25% below that last month. It's a real big problem, I think.
They still have to release the console in Europe too. 360 sales aren't that good in Europe if you exclude the U.K. so the PS3 has a good chance of getting a stronghold there.
With that said, Sony need more and better games plus a price drop for it to really succeed as a game console.
Sony should have people in their engineering lab, looking at every possible opportunity to drop the price. I expect that March and April sales will be better, with more games out, the 1.6 firmware, and many people having IRS refund checks burning holes in their pockets, but these numbers are absolutely awful, and there's no two ways about it.
:-|
Uroboric Forms
03-16-2007, 02:21
I don't really care. Sucks for Sony but as long as I can play Heavenly Sword, MGS4, DMC4, Lair, Killzone, Warhawk and many others then I'll be happy. Sony was not going to stay on top forever and were bound to be overthrown sooner or later.
It is still early and there's a lack of good games , they need at least a system
seller maybe HS is that game . The price is something that at the moment is
somewhat of constraint for the non hard core fan , once they get the great
titles to roll out and they could get some of the price cut down , i'm sure the
sale numbers will go up big time.
If PS3 is doing well in europe next week then we will all forget about this Feb number. This gen is a different in my opinion because two machines are tied to HD. I like when Sony and Microsoft say their machines will last more than 6 years, because the real appeal of both systems can only be appreciated when HD becomes mass,which is few years from now.
The following chart should calm your fears. It tallies the 360 from months 4-12 after launch in the U.S. The numbers are cumulative so you have to subtract each consecutive month to get the numbers sold in that month. Confused? Well I did the math and it looks like the 360 sold a little less than 100,000 for each month after launch until the big holiday season.
The ps3 sold 127,000 so its actually outselling what the x360 sold this time last year:
http://www.vgcharts.com/page3.html
you make a good point I bet 10:1 no realized this. I hate when NPD numbers come out because all the fanboys come out the wood works to justify why the PS3 is not selling more than the wii or 360. I mean come on, when sony announced HOME they were no where to be found. this board was celebrating, and everything was good, but now that the NPD numbers come out they are back. Sad to say they are going by first years figures compared to second year figures. If they compare each system from year to year with the same situation, the 360 did worst, than the PS3 around this time! I giving you a +rep for the find
Phaeochromoctyoma
03-16-2007, 02:50
this is like comparing iMacs and PC sales. off course apple's sales of imacs would be lower than Dells. i'm a mac user and i don't care. what i care for is the quality of the product apple gives me. and the imac and os x is better than any dell and vista in my book.
its the same as the ps3. as long as sony can deliver on its promise of quality excellent games, sales doesn't matter. i can't wait for the 23rd of march. i can't wait for Resistance: Fall Of Man, Virtua Fighter 5, Oblivion, Home, LittleBigPlanet, Lair, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Heavenly Sword and Ratchet and Clank. should i be worried about current ps3 sales? nope. should i be worried if the games suck? Hell yeah!
should we be worried about the PS3 sales? Yes and No. you should worry only if the 3rd party developers stop making games for ps3 and right now, i don't think thats going to happen. Start worrying if the PS3 sold numbers in 3 digits only.
FUD. The ps3 is doing fine. The real battle doesnt even begin until the back end of summer.
you make a good point I bet 10:1 no realized this. I hate when NPD numbers come out because all the fanboys come out the wood works to justify why the PS3 is not selling more than the wii or 360. I mean come on, when sony announced HOME they were no where to be found. this board was celebrating, and everything was good, but now that the NPD numbers come out they are back. Sad to say they are going by first years figures compared to second year figures. If they compare each system from year to year with the same situation, the 360 did worst, than the PS3 around this time! I giving you a +rep for the find
There is one big factor you and everyone else is missing.I think I will make it clear this time.
THE XBOX 360's SUPPLY WAS CONSTRAINED ALL THE WAY THROUGH MARCH OF 2006 WHILE THE PLAYSTATION 3 HAS BEEN EASY TO FIND SINCE EARLY TO MID JANUARY.
SO that is hardly a valid point of arguement, and if I remember correctly arn't vgcharts numbers ALOT different then NPD's most of the time?
EvoLutioNight
03-16-2007, 04:06
There is one big factor you and everyone else is missing.I think I will make it clear this time.
THE XBOX 360's SUPPLY WAS CONSTRAINED ALL THE WAY THROUGH MARCH OF 2006 WHILE THE PLAYSTATION 3 HAS BEEN EASY TO FIND SINCE EARLY TO MID JANUARY.
SO that is hardly a valid point of arguement, and if I remember correctly arn't vgcharts numbers ALOT different then NPD's most of the time?
360 sales are down compared to last year. The supply was constrained last year but its not anymore, what does this mean junior analyst?
Carbuncle
03-16-2007, 04:08
No one should worry about the PS3 sales, leave it to Sony to do that.
THE XBOX 360's SUPPLY WAS CONSTRAINED ALL THE WAY THROUGH MARCH OF 2006 WHILE THE PLAYSTATION 3 HAS BEEN EASY TO FIND SINCE EARLY TO MID JANUARY.
In alot of areas ps3 supply is still constrained. As an example Amazon has been sold out for 3 weeks. May is the month Sony has said there will be full availability.
PrestoFIVE
03-16-2007, 04:18
Actually yeah, sometimes I do. But....its probably me worrying about if Ps3 will win over 360 or something!!
Right now i'm more worried about the software, then anything else........
NovemberMike
03-16-2007, 04:20
360 sales are down compared to last year. The supply was constrained last year but its not anymore, what does this mean junior analyst?
It probably means it is close to the carrying capacity of a $400 console. After a price drop it should jump up again.
acidreighn
03-16-2007, 04:32
I have my ps3, i love it. I know what the games will be coming out in the future, i will love them. No im in no way worried about the ps3 sales.
wroutley
03-16-2007, 04:43
I have had my PS3 for a month, and it is worth the money. I am so happy with what you get especially the Blu-Ray movies, they look beautiful. I am not worried at all with PS3 sells, because they will start to go up soon and in the long run they will win the war. By next year the PS3 will have some of the best game out, and I cant wait until it happens!
I am not worried at all. Besides, the only good game that came out for the PS3 in Feb was VF5 while 360 had Lost Planet and Gears to help it sell. I believe the PS3 will do much better in March and even if it doesn't I'm glad to know that they have good games coming out in a few months. Sony always starts out slow and pwns in the end. As long as there are people still buying the PS2s in record numbers then I'm confident that PS3 will be successful in the near future.
turtle553
03-16-2007, 04:45
360 sales are down compared to last year. The supply was constrained last year but its not anymore, what does this mean junior analyst?
If the 360 sold about 160k last February and sold more than that this February, how are sales down from last year?
Ubersnuber
03-16-2007, 04:51
I said it all along. It will start slow, then *BOOM* iPod8)
And for those comparing last years 360 sales, how many competitors did it have? Zero? thought so
panson feo
03-16-2007, 04:54
Sales are atrocious. Sony should be worried. I dont give a sh*t.
360 sales are down compared to last year. The supply was constrained last year but its not anymore, what does this mean junior analyst?
You obviously completely missed the point of my post. People are trying to sugar coat the PS3's less then satisfactory launch by comparing it to the Xbox 360's launch. I am simply saying that it is a totaly unfair comparison since one was hardly available, while the other for the most part can be found anywhere.
And to answer your question... sales are not down, they are actually higher lmao! So be sure to double check your info before calling someone else a "junior" analyst.
In alot of areas ps3 supply is still constrained. As an example Amazon has been sold out for 3 weeks. May is the month Sony has said there will be full availability.
2-3 Weeks ago Amazon.com had the 60 gig model available, and just last week bestbuy.com had 20 gig models in stock. And many people other then myself constantly find PS3's in stock at stores like Bestbuy, Circuit City, EB/Gamestop, and Target. I live in San Jose, California a VERY big gaming city and I have seen PS3's pretty much every store I have been to lately. And this seems to be the case with most people.
How many topics have you seen called "I want a PS3 but I can't find one!" lately? Exactly there hasn't been any since launch. This was not the case for the Xbox 360, and is not the case with the Wii... they were (xbox 360) and still are (Wii) hard to find.
I said it all along. It will start slow, then *BOOM* iPod:cool:
And for those comparing last years 360 sales, how many competitors did it have? Zero? thought so
Uhhh... the Playstation 2 perhaps? I don't care what anyone says but it was competition. The PS2 was priced at a mere $150 with a killer lineup of games, while the Xbox 360 was out at $400 with next to no games. Not to mention the constrained supply. The same exact thing would have happened to Sony if they had launched when the 360 did, matter of fact I am willing to bet at $600 it would have done worst.
I don't think Sony should be worried at all. The slow sales mean that most people are still having fun with their PS2s and aren't ready to hop on the PS3 yet. Once these people are ready then I expect PS3's sales to spike. :D It's just like the analysts have been saying.
As soon as more games become available this Spring and Summer gamers will find a justifiable reason to purchase a PS3. I personally purchased the PS3 for the Hi-Def capabilities, so as long as the Blu-ray format stays strong I am happy.
They are doing better than the 360 did last year. I don't think there is any reason for doom and gloom yet.
this is what i dont get, it seems people want to ignore that the ps3 is outselling the 360 when it first launched
i belive they sold only around 1.5 million for the Q4 2005 the ps3 has sold around 1.8ish in 2007
so am i worried that ps3 will fail, my answer is a big FAT NO! :) as games come out ppl will buy the ps3 and find out that the ps3 is truly nicer than the 360, i own both and have to admit that the ps3 is truly nicer in most categories.
stop making thread like this only because the xbots came to bash ps3 today cause its a no news ps3 days and you guys come here and star crying about ps3 not selling?
its sony's problem not yours they sell ps3 if they sell 20 millions i dont care just like i had an xbot and ps2 and it dindt changed my life that ps2 outsold xbox? i still loved halo,fable.ninja gaiden THE GAMES ARE IMPORTANT NOT THE CONSOLES SALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go play god of war 2 or motorstorm and stop crying.
There is one big factor you and everyone else is missing.I think I will make it clear this time.
THE XBOX 360's SUPPLY WAS CONSTRAINED ALL THE WAY THROUGH MARCH OF 2006 WHILE THE PLAYSTATION 3 HAS BEEN EASY TO FIND SINCE EARLY TO MID JANUARY.
SO that is hardly a valid point of arguement, and if I remember correctly arn't vgcharts numbers ALOT different then NPD's most of the time?
your missing the entire point, it does not matter that it was limited (how many games where out for the 360 at this time last year). If that is the case give the numbers for 360 NOV05-DEC05 and compare them to PS3 NOV06-DEC06. and if you want you can include JAP numbers also. I choose these dates because at the time both consoles were limited in quantity. Who sold more? I can answer that for you but I rather you find it out first.
man i hate how fanboys come on here to bash, who cares about the sales it is about the games!
mistagamer
03-16-2007, 05:28
first of all, why should you be worried aout sales number? all you should be worried about are the games, its not like sony is paying your household fees
As they say, "quoted for the truth" lol... oh, gosh... i can't believe i just succumb to a cliche'
your missing the entire point, it does not matter that it was limited (how many games where out for the 360 at this time last year). If that is the case give the numbers for 360 NOV05-DEC05 and compare them to PS3 NOV06-DEC06. and if you want you can include JAP numbers also. I choose these dates because at the time both consoles were limited in quantity. Who sold more? I can answer that for you but I rather you find it out first.
man i hate how fanboys come on here to bash, who cares about the sales it is about the games!
You are the one who doesnt get it lol. I don't know how to explain it any better, should I use 3rd grade vocabulary?
your missing the entire point, it does not matter that it was limited (how many games where out for the 360 at this time last year). If that is the case give the numbers for 360 NOV05-DEC05 and compare them to PS3 NOV06-DEC06. and if you want you can include JAP numbers also. I choose these dates because at the time both consoles were limited in quantity. Who sold more? I can answer that for you but I rather you find it out first.
man i hate how fanboys come on here to bash, who cares about the sales it is about the games!
well to rebutt your rebuttal..
PS3 had more units availible at launch than the 360 did, did it not?
i hate how everyone things everyone else is a fanboy but themselves. You are on a frikkin game forum.. you ARE A FANBOY... I am fanboy, that fat kid in the corner.. hes a fanboy.. that scantily clad girl over there.. shes a fanboy... err.. fangirl... were ALLLLL FANBOYS!!
You are the one who doesnt get it lol. I don't know how to explain it any better, should I use 3rd grade vocabulary?
I think he gets it
But what you fail to mention was........nobody brought the 360 when shops got more stock in:lol:
it took time and you're statement was flawed
Yes nobody could get a 360 Premium Pack after launch
Core Units was everywhere and it took till New Years to sell them in the US
While here in the UK Game & Gamestation still had stock up till march
interesting how this thred is going not to much flaming not to much worry just wanted to see if I was being blind fanboy or not and it seems it's good to be content
when sony says - we are in full capacity of production - and the sells are like now then i will be worry... right now no!!!!
but the news that the us have many PS3 on the stores... well send it to europe of course...
sony's have many enemies that are happy right now but i don't think the things will be like that for a long time...
Abraço
snooper71
03-16-2007, 09:03
you have all the games you want??? im looking at your list of games you have only 1 is ps3 exclusives and the others are out for xbox360He stated he had the games he wanted to play on his PS3, he never mentionned the exclusiveness of those games.
Who cares if they are exclusive or not? He plays them on PS3 NOT on 360. You are actually downplaying the 360 while trying to prove a moot point. The games are not exclusive yet he purchased them on PS3 OVER 360. So where was the logic in your statement? Nice try though :rolleyes:
He stated he had the games he wanted to play on his PS3, he never mentionned the exclusiveness of those games.
Who cares if they are exclusive or not? He plays them on PS3 NOT on 360. You are actually downplaying the 360 while trying to prove a moot point. The games are not exclusive yet he purchased them on PS3 OVER 360. So where was the logic in your statement? Nice try though :rolleyes:
I couldn't of said it better myself
Well said;)
Chappers
03-16-2007, 09:53
The fact that a lot of games are on several platforms seems to be one of the few remaining attacks that people make on PS3, yet as just pointed out, those people forget that they are attacking their own platform in the process.
To true supporters of each platform, it should make no difference whatsoever how many platforms a title is released on. If it on your platform of choice, good for you.
As a PS3 supporter, the XB360 does not exist in my world.
dead_zen
03-16-2007, 10:22
If I didn't own a PS3, I'd probably feel bad, because I didn't have the awesome PS3 experience. But ever since I bought a PS3, the doom/gloom doesn't really phase me, since I'm really enjoying my PS3 and play it more than anything else.
Exactly.
The experience.
It's what makes the PSP an intriguing value as well. There is so much that can be done with that little machine it's unreal.
The PS3 is also in that same vein of technology.
But where does that leave gamers?
I'm not giving in to doom and gloom but the reality of the situation is the games are coming at a slow trickle.
They are needing more consistancy with their game title releases.
But I don't think Sony is worried about this generation.
The Cell in the PS3 is childs play compared to the multiple cells in the PS4, and it's complexity.
The more developers are capable of dipping their feet in this version of the cell, then the better off they'll be in the next version. It all comes down to middleware, and development tools. Sony's tools aren't quite there. I'm not even sure how ready they will be next year.
E3'07 needs to have games on display that will be ready to buy with in the next six months that has peoples heads popping. Sony can't handle another E3, like last years.
People will run out of reasons to not buy one eventually. It's a solid machine, seems to be well built, has a powerfull brand name, loads of potential, but's unless you love playstation, there just isn't any other reason to buy one, yet.
It's going to do well by 08, and it's going to finish very strong. Even if some dev's jump ship for the 360's userbase early on, Sony has loads of in-house and 1st party dev's that will make tons of great games.
The only real war I see is how much ground the 360 will make up, and how the 360 matches up as both companies ready for the next gen. Sony will come out ahead again, the only mistake they have made is a slow software start, but everything else is in place.
The only thing that might really have an impact is if MS drops the core down to $199-249 for xmas, and sony's not ready to compete on a price drop.
Anyway don't expect much change until 08, it will probably get worse before it gets better. Despite what most people think over here, there is a hell of alot of great software cominig for the 360 in 07, that will appeal to everyone, it's not just a FPS console anymore. I have no interest in listing/debating those titles here, it's still opinion, but in general into early 08, it's an amazing time to own that console.
But we all know Sony will finish strong, and if xbox 1 is any indication, MS has alot to prove with that. I think people are just worried because it doesn't appear to be a blow-out like everybody seems to want.
I'm not giving in to doom and gloom but the reality of the situation is the games are coming at a slow trickle.
Until March they were. From now on theres a steady stream of games.
dead_zen
03-16-2007, 10:58
Anyway don't expect much change until 08, it will probably get worse before it gets better. Despite what most people think over here, there is a hell of alot of great software cominig for the 360 in 07, that will appeal to everyone, it's not just a FPS console anymore. I have no interest in listing/debating those titles here, it's still opinion, but in general into early 08, it's an amazing time to own that console.
But we all know Sony will finish strong, and if xbox 1 is any indication, MS has alot to prove with that. I think people are just worried because it doesn't appear to be a blow-out like everybody seems to want.
This of course is assuming not a single first party title has slipped.
I've heard the same song and dance from Microsoft last year as well. lot'sof product that just slipped back, and either got released to less then stellar fanfare, or just wasn't a commercial success because of other games that over shadowed them.
But if they are all first party, it's possible that they will achieve those goals.
As far as Sony finishing strong, afer MS launches their next console, the PS3 will still be cranking out beautiful games. And a year after the PS3's release we'll see the PS4 produce jaw dropping visuals.
Until March they were. From now on theres a steady stream of games.
A steady stream of games worth buying the PS3 over any of the others over?
Because I don't see that at all.
http://ps3.ign.com/index/release.html
March, calling all cars, looks like it's fun for the family. And Armored Core 4 is going to do moderately well even if only in Japan.
After that though, it just falls off sharply.
MLB '07 the show keeps it going in April in the US.
And it's a full two months before we get in to singstar, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.
Hot Shot's golf in July for Japan.
Stranglehold in August, And FINALLY allllll the way in to September, Warhawk and HOME.
Notice a trend here?
There's nothing that's really leaping off of the pages to invest in the PS3 for gaming, over the Wii, or Xbox. And that's what people want most of all.
Gaming IS almost secondary, maybe even tirtiary in the PS3. Maybe it's unintentional, but the fact remains, that unless gaming is pursued, it's going to be outpaced, and outsold. The only other way for a turnaround I can figure, is offer incentives for developers and publishers, to take the time and craft their game to the strengths of the Playstation 3 hardware.
The PS3 is suffering the same fate as the PSP.
They're great platforms for gaming, but they are more of a showcase for technology, and advancing the process of consumer electronics, then pure gaming machines.
And that's what needs to be worked on NOW, not later.
joonkimdds
03-16-2007, 11:13
Just think about how many people will sell their xbox360 due to 3 flashing red lights of death. I am one of them. I had xbox360 6th time and all 6 of them broken. I sent it to MS to fix and get 7th xbox360 but I am 100percent sure it's gonna break so i am selling it and getting ps3.
so there goes decreasing number of xbox360 users.
And think about increasing number of ps3 users when ps3 actually make some good games.
Dasimpse
03-16-2007, 11:23
The only thing you need to be worried about is games, if the ps3 loses games then i would be bothered. Even if it comes in 3rd i couldnt care less, aslong as we keep getting those great games sony is known for. God of war 3 will probs be worth the purchase alone.
This of course is assuming not a single first party title has slipped.
I've heard the same song and dance from Microsoft last year as well. lot'sof product that just slipped back, and either got released to less then stellar fanfare, or just wasn't a commercial success because of other games that over shadowed them.
But if they are all first party, it's possible that they will achieve those goals.
As far as Sony finishing strong, afer MS launches their next console, the PS3 will still be cranking out beautiful games. And a year after the PS3's release we'll see the PS4 produce jaw dropping visuals.
Yeah I'll give you that, nothing is for sure, games slip, or turn out to be trash. Happens on both consoles, but in general, it can be assumed that it will be a good year for the 360.
As for predicting that far into the future, I'm not going to bother. It's nice thought but discounting the next xbox and praising the ps4 is a bit crazy at this point.
dead_zen
03-16-2007, 11:33
Yeah I'll give you that, nothing is for sure, games slip, or turn out to be trash. Happens on both consoles, but in general, it can be assumed that it will be a good year for the 360.
As for predicting that far into the future, I'm not going to bother. It's nice thought but discounting the next xbox and praising the ps4 is a bit crazy at this point.
Heh, ok, so my mind is working overtime. I'm not so much praising it, as saying that's the ultimate goal of Sony right now, to keep the Cell chip a viable part of their corporation. And the advances that STI (Sony, Toshiba, IBM) has come up for it, are astonishing to say the least.
And no one in their right mind can deny that there will be a lot of "above average" to "bloody brilliant" games on the system all summer long.
I wish the same thing could be said about the PS3. But it's still playing catch up with dev tools.
LevelheadedGamer
03-16-2007, 11:45
I'm asking this for one reason I looked at the sells numbers from the NPD and they look bad.
However, it doesn't really make me feel the doom and gloom. I guess it's like well they are Sony the start slow and pwn in the end.
Yea yea I'm a fanboy blind sheep etc etc... but I'm only like that because they have done it before 2x already.
When the games come and they are coming we all know that. It will be the the same as spotting a retarded kid 15pts in a game of 21 :lol:
Discuss.... Am I a blind fanboy or do you guys think similarly?
In short...Nope!!
As you (quite rightly) say, i have also been in this situation with the the ps1 & ps2. There is a pretty obvious connection between price drops and sales for both the previous ps systems and i have no reason to doubt otherwise. Seriously, for all the doubters out there, just look at ps1 or ps2 sales for the 1st 2 years and then compare it with the sales for the next 2 years. They exploded. Why?!? The systems recieved a price drop and a wider variety of games.
A common misconception from alot of people is that the ps2 was some sort of sales animal right from day one. That is just simply not the case. It took time for the system to build momentum and really only starting selling amazing numbers after the 1st price drop. These are the facts, look them up if you dont believe me.
Having said all of that, i do agree the ps3 sales are a bit sluggish but as i have been in this situation before i am honestly not even a bit worried. Not a sausage!!!
Heh, ok, so my mind is working overtime. I'm not so much praising it, as saying that's the ultimate goal of Sony right now, to keep the Cell chip a viable part of their corporation. And the advances that STI (Sony, Toshiba, IBM) has come up for it, are astonishing to say the least.
And no one in their right mind can deny that there will be a lot of "above average" to "bloody brilliant" games on the system all summer long.
I wish the same thing could be said about the PS3. But it's still playing catch up with dev tools.
Yeah Cell is pretty cool. I'm glad sony decided to still try something new, I'm sure it will pay off in the end for them one way or another. Or in every way, who knows.
It is a double-edged sword though, as you said the dev-tools are coming, but just not there yet. MS has been writing software and tools for gaming since windows 95, and although the 360 isn't just standard hardware, it's still alot more mainstream than the ps3's. 360 still has alot of power to give, and for the above reasons it will probably be exploited a bit sooner than the ps3's.
But again, Sony will definitely be competing on price and games in the end, and I think the 360 will keep up through 08 and start to fade going into 09 for sure. At least compared to the ps3. It still might do well, but sony will be firing on all cylinders and will probably be selling alot of machines. That is when I see Blu-ray really helping as well, as alot more people will have HDTV's and alot more movies will be released on Blu-ray, and overall more people will know about it.
Anyhow I'm pretty much repeating myself but using different words, in the end the PS3 is fine. It's a good console with a solid company behind it. They just appear to have some more competition at this point, but that's not a bad thing. I'm pretty sure they can handle it.
Mana Knight
03-16-2007, 12:12
The PS3 is suffering the same fate as the PSP.The PSP lineup is just fine. The difference is the PSP had a great launch, then went quiet for a long time, but started to pick up towards the end of 2005.
Whether you like it or not, tons of great games just don't come out quick. If you want to compare the Xbox 360 situation, the 360 didn't get its true killer app until a year after launch. The rest of its killer aps weren't completely exclusive (CoD2, Oblivion, and GRAW were also PC games). Heck, the 360 even received a larger number of PS2 ports (some using just higher resolution textures). Although PS1/PS2 might have been a little slow, there was a 7-10 month gap between the U.S./Japan launch, giving Western developers a lot of extra time working with the hardware, getting games prepared (Japan would go through long droughts). By releasing a console early (like 1 week after Japan), oh course we're going to see a slow trickle of games coming for at least 9 months. The only reason as to why the Wii has tons of games now is that developers can port PS2 games to Wii easily and/or old games for VC (or even some of the original games for Wii won't take all too long to develop, since developers can just re-use a graphic engine from last gen). There's no denying Sony could have more games out if they didn't release PS3 last year; however, they cannot afford to let the competition get as big of a headstart. There's still several unannounced first/second party games by Sony. If you want to see a slow trickle of games, think back to N64, which released only 8 games at launch, and less than 20 by June 1997. At least PS3 is beyond that.
StruggleWithin
03-16-2007, 12:28
first of all, why should you be worried aout sales number? all you should be worried about are the games, its not like sony is paying your household fees
Exactly, why do we care if sony sells or not. I don't feel threatened if they don't sell any consoles or even if microsoft or nintendo wins the "war". I just want to play games. I have all 3 systems cause of the games coming out for each.
I thought sales should be higher but it really is a great system and I'm having a great time with it. It's pretty obvious that things will turn around since it sold well with nothing but bad press and that seems to be changing now.
PS3 rocks
03-16-2007, 12:41
Ok, i didn't want to give my full opinion in the NPD's thread as i would look like a fanboy on damage control.
I'll go more in depth as to why Sony's PS3's aren't selling that great. First of all and the most Obvious reason, price is a huge factor. Not to mention compared to the Wii, the PS3 is a small fortune. It's an obvious deterant. Price probably wouldn't be a such a big issue if there was something attracting about the PS3 at the moment, but lets face it there's nothing that's truely moving vast ammounts of units right now.
Sure Resistance is a good game, but it's unknown compared to games on there 3rd or 4th titles, or one on it's 13th to be exact lol. Which brings me to games. The PS3 NEEDS a known AAA title as soon as possible. We must get MGS4 or something of similar appeal soon. There are good games on the PS3 but nothing that's going to justify the $600 to the casual gamer. When games like Final Fantasy 13, MGS4, Killzone PS3, and GT5 are combined with the new titles like Liar, Heavenly sword and Warhawk the PS3 will be much more appealing to the casual gamer.
To my next point, the PS2's success was helped greatly due to the demand for DVD players. The PS2 was a cheap solution compared to a DVD player, it played games and other things that really made it look like a bargin. With Blu-Ray on the brink of winning the Format war, and with Blu-Ray growing faster than DVD did, the PS3 is going to be a damn steal compared to $1000 Blu-ray players.
Europe is next in line for the PS3, the ammount of pre orders has put the PS3 in a good pre launch position. Beating the opposition by many times in some cases. I've got mine ready lol. The launch will put the sales of the PS3 up by 700k this months and possibly a million sales worldwide. The news of these poor sales will be forgetten by the time the Europe launch is underway.
actually i dont care that much but sony is my favorite hardware company, their products have never let me down before, it be nice if they actually sold more and also just so some people will stfu, i wish they would.
PS3 rocks
03-16-2007, 12:57
You can say "who cares, they aren't paying the bills", but if Sony loses it will affect a Sony fan. I know i wouldn't like to miss out on all those good games. The Wii is taking the industry backwards, who knows they might only have a console as powerful as the PS3 in 6 years. I don't want to know what would happen if MS had %70 marketshare.
turbolence75
03-16-2007, 12:57
I have no doubt in Sony. They know what they're doing. I know people are waiting for more games to come out. Once they do, numbers will rise. March was a good month for PS3 owners and it will only get better.
If the 360s are "flying off the shelves", wouldn't manufactured dates for 360s be pretty recent? My friend bought a 360 yesterday and the manufactured date was July 2006. Where has this 360 been for the past 8 months? :suspect:
In my opinion its to late to make assumptions, sure the NPD numbers was low but you still have the european launch soon. My local ebgames told me they had never had this much preorders before so im confident numbers will go up.
fiero911
03-16-2007, 13:37
I'm expecting jump in sales 3 times this year...
first..when it launches in europe and rest of the world
then....between June-August...when Lair, SIngstar,HS. Strangehold and hopefully even AC ve released
last.....during nov-dec..christmas sales....MGSIV will do the trick.....but Killzone 2 seems very popular enuff to make ppl pick up systems..
so u c...360 will have great sales as well..but with mainly 3 games....Halo3....mass effect...n bioshock ...i'm nt sure if Fable 2 is coming thiss year so no bets......but only 3 re-knowed games....not nice u know
this is what i dont get, it seems people want to ignore that the ps3 is outselling the 360 when it first launched
i belive they sold only around 1.5 million for the Q4 2005 the ps3 has sold around 1.8ish in 2007
so am i worried that ps3 will fail, my answer is a big FAT NO! :) as games come out ppl will buy the ps3 and find out that the ps3 is truly nicer than the 360, i own both and have to admit that the ps3 is truly nicer in most categories.
Well the 360 was allowed to sell as slow as it wanted to though theres a difference now the systems are competing for 3rd party games. I also own both systems so it's a win-win for me but the slow sales should be worrying the first real AAA game isn't out for another 2 or 3 months *Lair*
It is selling as good as if not better than the 360 did this time last year, and the 360 had no competition and world wide sales to back it up, constrained stock or not. PS3 is doing fine. Get as many shipments in and on the shelves as possible so when Xmas comes everyone can have one without the need to sell their granny to medical science.
I think he gets it
But what you fail to mention was........nobody brought the 360 when shops got more stock in:lol:
it took time and you're statement was flawed
Yes nobody could get a 360 Premium Pack after launch
Core Units was everywhere and it took till New Years to sell them in the US
While here in the UK Game & Gamestation still had stock up till march
No I don't think you understand either. Since I dont have any other numbers I will use VGCharts (which I and many others believe to be wrong but it still prooves a point). Even when the Xbox 360 was constrained in supply in February 06 it still managed to sell 161,000 units. It sold 30,000 more units despite the shortage, meaning it probaly would have sold even more if they had shipped it. Mean while we have the PS3 which is easily found (You can't dispute this, anyone who wants one can find one easily) in February but still sales a lackluster 127,000?
And after the Xbox 360's supply picked up it never went under 200,000 units sold.
Why should you be worried? As long as PS3 gets more (exclusive) games, more blu-ray movies, more features through firmware updates, a price-drop etc, it will be just fine. Just enjoy your system ;).
people on here are too concerned with poop like this... get off the board and go play.
iam worryed that sony priced them selfs right out of the market.
they should do a way with the 20 model.
and drop the 60 to 499 then they will sell.
nobody want to buy a 600 dollar console
rick1991
03-16-2007, 17:24
I'll probably get flamed for saying this but I honestly do not give a rats ass about how many units are sold. I will get mine next week with some good games, that's all I need to hear.
I used to really care about how may units each console sold, but it just does not matter to me. I'll be happy when I get mine and so long as there is a supply of good software and regular, quality updates, I will remain so. I still think that the ps3 will come out on top, but it just does not really affect me.
Last gen, the Xbox was the more powerful machine with an established online service, yet it still lost. Why? Because it was late to the market and lacked the broad array of titles that the PS2 had. Now you have to say that the shoe is on the other foot (Until the games start rolling that is).
So I see no reason why at this stage the PS3 even has the right to sell at enormous rates. The online service needs work and there are very few AA games for it, not to mention the late release date.
Things will improve but it really wont affect me or you.
LevelheadedGamer
03-16-2007, 18:21
iam worryed that sony priced them selfs right out of the market.
they should do a way with the 20 model.
and drop the 60 to 499 then they will sell.
nobody want to buy a 600 dollar console
Im pretty sure the 2 million+ current PS3 owners would disagree with you. Oh and me! I would love to get the PS3 for $200 but i accept the reason why it is priced at that amount and am willing to pay that for it. One last thing, you say reduce the price to $499. Is that extra $100 really a big difference between "nobody wants it" to "yeh, everyones buying it"?!?
Ubersnuber
03-16-2007, 18:29
Uhhh... the Playstation 2 perhaps? I don't care what anyone says but it was competition. The PS2 was priced at a mere $150 with a killer lineup of games, while the Xbox 360 was out at $400 with next to no games. Not to mention the constrained supply. The same exact thing would have happened to Sony if they had launched when the 360 did, matter of fact I am willing to bet at $600 it would have done worst.
Good post. No, not really.
You allready lost that bet btw. Why? Because PS3 has not only the PS2, but 2 more competitors to fight this time around. What happened when MS got more supply to the market..no big sales, I can tell you that much. And they only had the PS2 to compete with mind you.
There is no point hiding away from it, NPD numbers of the PS3 are atrocious/dreadfull/horrific and more importantley humuliating. I hope this is becasue of supply problems, but many dont think this for some reason. I mean they did make a million european units during jan/feb period didnt they?
And i want to answer something else. Many are wanting a price drop. Sony would be stupid to do this as it would send out totally the wrong messege. Maybe towards christmas 2007 a price drop can occur. By then AAA titles will also be out.
PS2 will keep going well and help Sony out a great deal. PS3 will not have dominance like the ps2 thats obvious. Its going to take a Long long time to figure the winner of this gen. Cleary it is nintendo which has got the first blow in (360 sales are average at best). I admit that im getting peeved of at seeing the wii up there. This is based on the fact i was once a diehard nintendo fan who had the gamecube. I am not paying £180 for a system tecnhically similar to the gamecube which was £130 five years ago its as simple as that. But i guess nintendo dont give a dam considering there sales numbers. Still they will fall off there horse soon enough and it will give me greater pleasure to see ( as you can tell, im no longer a nintendo fan anymore)
Still lets wait till the european release. No doubt we are now at the point where Sony has its last defense left, the european market. It must do well, there can be no excuses anymore
findaway
03-17-2007, 00:17
We all know whats the main issue holding it back, thats reality. No other excuses.
It will just not be tough competition for a system thats less than half the price. Call it half arsed in horsepower, features and even games as well if you will, but affordable to pretty much anyone at the end of the day. Thats the problem now.
Its been said before, the PS3 has the potential and its too early to expect much better figures than the ones we're seeing.
Why can't people just give Sony and the PS3 one full year. This is getting ridiculous when people talk about.."OMYG PS3 is doing horrible" when in fact it is not. Numbers are down, but if you compare it to the PS2 at the same time when the PS2 launch the PS3 is doing better.
MORE GAMES = MORE UNITS SOLD. Simple math.
Don't be surprised when the NPD figures go climbing up after the PAL launch. Don't be surprised when Sony's Exclusive titles hit and increase total number of PS3's sold.
Just give it a year, then come up with these topics.
That is exaclty what i was gonna say
I heard about these numbers on a gaming website. I was not worried at all. What worried me was getting into this forum and seeing the backlash. Anyway my PS3 will arrive soon enough, and then its upwards and onwards from there i guess
PS3 doing better than PS2?
are u sure?