View Full Version : Micorsoft makes a blow: Wii is less powerfull than the xbox(not 360)
Well it seems like the wii60 alliance is showing cracks on the surface.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2125617,00.asp
So, is Nintendo disrupting things for you, or were you surprised to see them?
I'm actually not—the product has gotten more broad-base acclaim that I would have expected. It's a very nice product, but it actually has a relatively specific audience and a fairly specific appeal, frankly, based on one feature, which is the controller itself. And the rest of the product is actually not a great product—no disrespect, but … the video graphics on it aren't very strong; the box itself is kind of underpowered; it doesn't play DVDs; there are a lot of down-line components [that] aren't actually that interesting.
In the casual space they're going to do very well, because the controller is pretty intuitive and the game experience is pretty simple, and Nintendo can produce a lot of those simple game experiences themselves.
The challenge they have is that third parties aren't going to make much money on this platform because Nintendo is going to make all that money, and their ability to compete with something like a Halo or produce an experience like Madden on their system is going to be tough. They don't have the graphics horsepower that even Xbox 1 had. So it makes sort of the comparison set a little bit difficult.
So the challenge for us is how do we drive to more casual users, and how do we bring more casual experiences to Xbox and Windows? And the challenge for them is figuring out, "Hey, how do I broaden beyond a casual demographic?" We'll see how that plays out.
It's interesting to note that a year ago if somebody had said, "Hey, we won't be discussing Sony," that's an interesting statement, and I think something that frankly hasn't been written about very much.
If it has been posted then just lock it off right away.
GameCube had games that looked better than 99,999% of Xbox games, and now they are saying a console, which uses similar yet more advanced technology & has at least twice as big numbers as GC, doesn't overpower Xbox? BS. It's a sad fact that devs aren't taking advantage of Wii's hardware, but that doesn't mean it doesn't beat Xbox.
It's interesting that Microsoft were sucking up to Nintendo with the Wii60 concept to counter the PS3. Now that the Wii is also taking sales away from the X360 it's no surprise they are getting the knives out.
It's interesting that Microsoft were sucking up to Nintendo with the Wii60 concept to counter the PS3. Now that the Wii is also taking sales away from the X360 it's no surprise they are getting the knives out.
Its just microsoft doing what they do best.....talk smack
doesnt suprise me. the only thing the wii offers is the gimmicky controller, which wears out very quickly. infact i think i would prefer having an Xbox.
bobtheduck
05-05-2007, 23:56
Hahahaha... Wii60 indeed...
Nintendo took EVERYONE by surprise.
doesnt suprise me. the only thing the wii offers is the gimmicky controller, which wears out very quickly. infact i think i would prefer having an Xbox.
You keep saying this.
It keeps being wrong.
It's not a gimmick, any more than the mouse was a gimmick.
The thing is, I can totally understand you coming here, not having any clue about what's going on, and saying that because some guy said it. But at this point... It's really hard to make sense of your behavior while maintaining the assumption that you're even trying to be honest, either with yourself or with anyone else. You obviously haven't paid any attention to anything anyone's said; you made your mind up, and you aren't about to be bothered with facts.
So, why exactly are you on a discussion board? If you don't want to hear anything anyone has to say, shouldn't you be renting billboards or something?
I don't think there ever was a Microsoft/Nintendo "alliance". A lot of gamers figured that Wii60 was a lot more fun than a PS3, for only $50 more. Now Microsoft's feeling heat, and is doing what MS always does -- start saying bad things about the competition, rather than working on improving their product. Not new.
Mook_Dawg
05-06-2007, 04:23
Wii and 360 aren't even in the same league - the Wii is the far, far superior console. 360 is a rip-off, and provides the least amount of bang for the buck compated to Wii or PS3.
skarekrow
05-06-2007, 04:55
Though I must agree with them at this point, if they are not the manufacturer, then perhaps they should not speak on someone else's technology especially consider they know nothing about it. I for one, do not condone people purchasing wii's , but I maintain that people should not run their mouths when they have no idea what they are talking.
Ya, I would agree. Nintendo just got Pwned by Microsoft..
PsychoMantis
05-06-2007, 05:05
I dont like the wii becuase they seem to make the same games over and over agian now you can play the classics blah. But MS and also sony can talk about it being crap because its not graphically beautiful like the ps3 and 360 but numbers dont lie sales are doing extremely good for nintendo right now.
BloodChannel
05-06-2007, 05:29
the Wii is the far, far superior console.
i hate everything about microsoft and even I shook my head at that.
I dont like the wii becuase they seem to make the same games over and over agian now you can play the classics blah. But MS and also sony can talk about it being crap because its not graphically beautiful like the ps3 and 360 but numbers dont lie sales are doing extremely good for nintendo right now.
They aren't really doing "same game over and over again". Excite Truck & Wii Sports are something Nintendo hasn't done too much before, at least not in the same way (arcade racing & sports). And they have a lot of games coming they haven't done before. Yes, they have their usual Marios & Metroids, but they have all kinds of different games too (Disaster: Day of Crisis & Project HAMMER are just the beginning).
Ya, I would agree. Nintendo just got Pwned by Microsoft..
Lol, Nintendo is "pwning" Microsoft by having superior sales when compared to Xbox 360 (even if Wii hasn't sold as much consoles YET, they are doing A LOT better than what Microsoft did with Xbox 360 a year ago when it was released just a few months ago).
Ya, I would agree. Nintendo just got Pwned by Microsoft..
Talk is cheap, Microsoft is not 'pwning' anyone, if they were there wouldn't be any need to trash talk their competitors.
i am not to sure about this.
the wii is a lot more powerfull then the frist xbox
i am not to sure about this.
the wii is a lot more powerfull then the frist xbox
no no no... i hate how everybody gets this all wrong.
The wii is potentially more powerful than the 1st xbox. Show me a game where you can clearly see that wii is more powerful right now.
I feel really bad about where the wii is going. Developers don't want to put any effort in making games, and the ones they make are pretty crappy.
Byoushinn
05-06-2007, 22:46
i think its stupid of MS to come out with a comment like that
I dont think they're in the situation to compare the two, Xbox is obsolete afterall.
You keep saying this.
It keeps being wrong.
It's not a gimmick, any more than the mouse was a gimmick.
The thing is, I can totally understand you coming here, not having any clue about what's going on, and saying that because some guy said it. But at this point... It's really hard to make sense of your behavior while maintaining the assumption that you're even trying to be honest, either with yourself or with anyone else. You obviously haven't paid any attention to anything anyone's said; you made your mind up, and you aren't about to be bothered with facts.
So, why exactly are you on a discussion board? If you don't want to hear anything anyone has to say, shouldn't you be renting billboards or something?
I don't think there ever was a Microsoft/Nintendo "alliance". A lot of gamers figured that Wii60 was a lot more fun than a PS3, for only $50 more. Now Microsoft's feeling heat, and is doing what MS always does -- start saying bad things about the competition, rather than working on improving their product. Not new.
FACT, opinions cannot be wrong. so explain to me how i am wrong please because i would love to hear it.
i own a wii for your information, and to me, the controller is nothing more than a gimmick. it has worn out very quickly on me. its just the same flicking motion of the controller over and over again. my rotator cuffs can only take so much strain thanks.
i havent touched my wii for about 2 months now, its back in its box because there is nothing attracting me to it as long as a have my 360 in the viscinity, and soon, the PS3.
im not 'saying it because some guy said it'. again i own a wii so i know from first hand experience what it is like.
oh and MS owned nintendo's ass.
edit: i better say IN MY OPINION otherwise someone might take it the wrong way and somehow claim my opinion is wrong.
;)
MS is first place overall in the gaming world. Close to 300,000,000 people use Windows for their primary gaming.
The Sony PlayStation 2 continues to sell more consoles every month than the Wii, 360, Gamecube and Xbox combined, in all territories. More people use the PS2 for their primary console gaming than any other console.
Not that it really matters, just play whatever you enjoy playing, whether it's less powerful or more powerful. Whatever.
FACT, opinions cannot be wrong. so explain to me how i am wrong please because i would love to hear it.;)
FACT, by definition and your reasoning, opinions cannot be right. Opinions can however be malformed.
When responding to an opinion and suggesting it's 'wrong', it may not be correct in a hardline definition way, but this is the English language, it's flexible. It's pragmatics, and arguably semantics. The replier will be replying to why they feel your opinion is malformed and logically flawed, or even proving it with facts which would then make the opinion wrong.
It's pretty simple I'd say, but if you want to play the petty language game that's up to you.
FACT, by definition and your reasoning, opinions cannot be right. Opinions can however be malformed.
When responding to an opinion and suggesting it's 'wrong', it may not be correct in a hardline definition way, but this is the English language, it's flexible. It's pragmatics, and arguably semantics. The replier will be replying to why they feel your opinion is malformed and logically flawed, or even proving it with facts which would then make the opinion wrong.
It's pretty simple I'd say, but if you want to play the petty language game that's up to you.
well i believe my opinion is right, and thats all i care about. :D
BlitZ9200
05-09-2007, 13:15
What? Microsoft bashing the competition? Why, thats the weirdest thing I've ever heard! *takes another hit*
sevendesigns
05-20-2007, 09:00
They aren't really doing "same game over and over again". Excite Truck & Wii Sports are something Nintendo hasn't done too much before, at least not in the same way (arcade racing & sports). And they have a lot of games coming they haven't done before. Yes, they have their usual Marios & Metroids, but they have all kinds of different games too (Disaster: Day of Crisis & Project HAMMER are just the beginning).
Lol, Nintendo is "pwning" Microsoft by having superior sales when compared to Xbox 360 (even if Wii hasn't sold as much consoles YET, they are doing A LOT better than what Microsoft did with Xbox 360 a year ago when it was released just a few months ago).
At half the price, and hype around the Wiimote, you better believe it's going to be the best selling console the first year it's out.
Who cares if the Wii is outselling the Xbox360, when 'supposedly' Nintendo weren't competing with Sony nor Microsoft?
You can sell a bag of dirt if you price it right.
btw, I don't agree with Microsoft's statement. But the graphics of the Wii at the moment are looking pretty stupid.
Lets hope things change soon.
game9102
05-20-2007, 11:45
Who cares if the Wii is outselling the Xbox360, when 'supposedly' Nintendo weren't competing with Sony nor Microsoft?
Eh... developers.
Anyways, this is the usual, They're kicking our ass lets say something bad about them, statement.
Beodude123
05-21-2007, 02:06
More PR junk. Every company spews more trash from their collective mouths than the entire state of Rhode Island does in three and a half days.
Microsoft does seem to be flining a lot of it lately, and in both directions. I really think they are afraid. They had their time on top, and it'll soon come to an end. I think they are starting to realize that now.
Tears of Ash
05-21-2007, 02:48
Microsoft likes to talk smack. Big surprise. The Wii has a good concept, but it needs more games. And it needs more unique games. I don't know why MS sees the Wii as a threat. They'll probably be able to utilize the Wii's graphics better than on the original Xbox, especially since the chips are newer and it's different. So it's a whole different game. Kind of like how the 360 and PS3 have the same GHZ, but the chips are used in completely different ways.
I'm sort of scared for the Wii. They have a new controller, but other than that they really aren't bringing much new to the table. But as we've all said before, it's for a completely different audience who might not necessarily come from a gaming background, and have fun with the system differently that people like us might.
This gen of systems seems really fragmented. It's almost like 3 gens of systems all competing together all at once. I can't really think of anything to say... Though I wish the Wii had more games, and had more unique stuff instead of just relying on stuff I've seen before but "with a new controller". They got the potential, but it's like they keep recycling all the same ideas since the SNES.
FWIW, I think that MS sees the Wii as a threat because it's visibly eating into their sales. Their claim to fame was "well, we're cheaper than the PS3", and now... Well, it's not as persuasive as it used to be.
I'm not too worried about the game selection, really; the early dearth isn't nearly as bad as it was for the 360 back in the day, or is for the PS3 even now, and I'm finding plenty of stuff to play.
FWIW, I think that MS sees the Wii as a threat because it's visibly eating into their sales. Their claim to fame was "well, we're cheaper than the PS3", and now... Well, it's not as persuasive as it used to be.
I'm not too worried about the game selection, really; the early dearth isn't nearly as bad as it was for the 360 back in the day, or is for the PS3 even now, and I'm finding plenty of stuff to play.
PS3 has more upcomming and released games then the Wii
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_games
Vs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_3_games
PS3 obviously has more. Not including PS2 and PS1 games through backwards compatability.
PS3 has more upcomming and released games then the Wii
Including upcoming games, perhaps. In terms of games on store shelves, right now, I think the Wii's ahead.
PS3 obviously has more. Not including PS2 and PS1 games through backwards compatability.
Indeed, not including them; they're not particularly significant. There's very few people in the market for a PS3 who don't have a PS2.
However, I don't think I accept the assumption that only the games we've heard specifically announced are going to come out. A lot of studios have been committing massive resources to the Wii in the last few months, and they haven't announced everything. A survey of Japanese developers a couple months back had around 62% reporting plans to develop for Wii, and 33% or so planning to develop for PS3.
The delta has been all one way; Wii titles announced, PS3 titles cancelled. As the installed base gap grows (and not only that, but grows faster), that's just getting worse.
But, for now, the Wii has plenty of games out, right now, not just announced for future release. Would I rather have more? Sure. But it's doing a lot better than usual for 6 months into a new platform release.
PS3 has more upcomming and released games then the Wii
This is a list of the 226 games that have been released or are in development for the Sony (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony) PlayStation 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3) video game console (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console)
This is a sortable list of the 255 games that have been released or are in development for Nintendo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo)'s Wii (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii) video game console (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console)Maybe it changed or I'm missing something but last I check 255 was more than 226 :S
Plus I think the PS3 list includes untitled/working name projects whereas Wii has it's own section not included with the numbers for them.
Correct me if I'm wrong guys.
otbelite1
05-22-2007, 15:32
its so true, xbox live for xbox regular killls wii, they have better game titles ( a lot better). Their graphics were a ton of a lot better then the gamecube and still better then the ds/wii. And until I see wii outsell regular xbox, I can confirm without a doubt xbox is better
Doc Evils
05-22-2007, 15:45
I hate Microshaft, I mean weren't they prasing the Wii?
utter idiots.
Like the OP said, so much for Wii60, lol.
Wii>XBOX 1.. No question about it!
jakncoke
05-22-2007, 17:32
Microsoft is just getting mad because there starting to realize the 3rd best powered will soon be the 1st in console sales.
This why i dont like M$ ever
M$ use Wii for make down PS3 sales, but after Wii sales is almost reach 360. M$ will take down Wii and called poor machine.
And highly combo Wii60 isnt strong again like first time . . . . .
Basically M$ need something like competitor to take down the main competitor
FinalEvangelion
05-24-2007, 03:47
I hate Microshaft, I mean weren't they prasing the Wii?
utter idiots.
It looks like M$ & it's followers were more or less was on a non-official non-aggression pact with the Wii60 thing to bring down Sony. Now M$ has got to deal with the Wii surpassing them pretty soon.
Not surprised to see this. They already attacked the Wii after it had that sales explosion - they're just changing their tune because they're losing to Nintendo.
Whether or not the Wii is less powerful is irrelevant - Microsoft is not an accurate source for Nintendo vs. MS.
And I love that third party comment - I mean, after all, Love & Berry didn't sell almost 1 million copies. Sonic Rush didn't sell more than 700k. Final Fantasy III didn't sell more than 1.5 million copies. Dragon Quest Monsters Joker didn't sell more than 1.5 million. Tamagotchi 2 didn't sell more than 800,000, Tamagotchi didn't sell nearly 1.5 million. Kanji Test DS didn't sell more than 500,000 copies. Phoenix Wright didn't sell more than 300,000 copies. Phoenix Wright 2 didn't sell nearly 200,000 copies. Gyakuten Saiban 4 didn't sell nearly 400,000 copies. Mega Man Star Force didn't sell more than 500,000 copies. Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow didn't sell more than 250,000 copies, Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin did not sell more than 250,000 copies either, The Sims 2 didn't sell more than 600,000 copies, and The Sims 2: Pets didn't sell more than 400,000 copies.
But they did, they all did sell more than the numbers attributed to them. Capcom, Sega, Square Enix, Konami, Namco Bandai, EA, and many other third parties all did just fine on the DS.
Hell, looking at Wii, Ubisoft has almost two million sellers on the Wii alone - Rayman Raving Rabbids and Red Steel, and Trauma Center on the Wii is Atlus' best-selling game ever, if I recall correctly.
TheKingOfNothing
05-24-2007, 05:38
M$ has to bad mouth the competition. It's all they can do. Bill Gates still isn't used to lossing in sales to other competitors. It makes him cry...:cry: ...poor Bill...nah...
MS is stupid. The PS3 is more technologically advanced than the 360. The Wii is much more innovative than the 360. Heck, both the PS3 and Wii are more reliable than the 360. So, what does it leave the 360 with? Games. What happens when the PS3 gets more games? The 360 is in a tough spot, and MS knows this...the funny thing is that this little underpowered Wii smacking the heck out of the 360 in sales. This is what irritates MS. They launched a poorly designed console early to become no. 1 in sales, but the Wii is soon to grab that title...
Hahah...I wonder what Moore would say about this...
PS3 has more upcomming and released games then the Wii
Vs.
PS3 obviously has more. Not including PS2 and PS1 games through backwards compatability.
Is there a reason why most of your posts related to the Wii are made to troll it? As far as I've seen, mods crack down pretty hard on trolling when it's on the Sony-related forums, so logically, one should not be trolling the Wii forum.
What happens when the PS3 gets more games? The 360 is in a tough spot, and MS knows this...
What are you basing this on? What happens when the PS3 releases some games, but the 360 releases some more games than the PS3? What happens when the slated PS3 games are all released and there is almost nothing left in the pipelines? In case you haven't noticed, 3rd party support for the PS3 is evaporating faster than a gasoline spill in the Sahara.
The 360 will enjoy moderate success based on the fact that it's only moderately expensive for a new system. Still, the price will hurt the 360 in the end, but it won't have the devastating effect that it's already having and will continue to have on the PS3.
What are you basing this on? What happens when the PS3 releases some games, but the 360 releases some more games than the PS3? What happens when the slated PS3 games are all released and there is almost nothing left in the pipelines? In case you haven't noticed, 3rd party support for the PS3 is evaporating faster than a gasoline spill in the Sahara.
The 360 will enjoy moderate success based on the fact that it's only moderately expensive for a new system. Still, the price will hurt the 360 in the end, but it won't have the devastating effect that it's already having and will continue to have on the PS3.
yea, 3rd party games are going, but more 1st party games are comming. So far SONY has the largest list of 1st part games out of all 3 consoles. This list will only increase, SONY being so wide spread has gaming studios all over the world, there will never be a shortage of games for it.
This is the only reason the PSP servived, SONY got a whip cracking on their own studios to release games like Killzone: Liberation, Fired Up, Wipe Out. It's how SONY servives throught the biggest of 3rd party droughts.
Is there a reason why most of your posts related to the Wii are made to troll it? As far as I've seen, mods crack down pretty hard on trolling when it's on the Sony-related forums, so logically, one should not be trolling the Wii forum.
Sorry mate but i own a Wii, i'm just stating the simple fact that SONY will make more in-house games then Nintendo. Just looking at the list on wikipedia you can't deny simple math, when 1 number is higher then another it's greater.
Sorry mate but i own a Wii, i'm just stating the simple fact that SONY will make more in-house games then Nintendo. Just looking at the list on wikipedia you can't deny simple math, when 1 number is higher then another it's greater.
No, you are trolling. You may not WANT to admit it because that would validate the many trolls that got the ban based on your non-ban, but you are.
" I have like 6 of the best Wii games, the Wii just sits there ... no one plays it! fact!" for one example. If you honestly believe that people going to the PS3 forums warrant a ban because those boards are meant for Sony fans, don't come to the Wii forum and make inflammatory comments.
Also, I find it a lark that the same people who claimed the right to troll the 360 and Wii on the PS3 forum are complaining about PS3 trolling on the Wii forum.
They should have learned from WW2 Germany what happens when you fight a war on two fronts.
No, you are trolling. You may not WANT to admit it because that would validate the many trolls that got the ban based on your non-ban, but you are.
" I have like 6 of the best Wii games, the Wii just sits there ... no one plays it! fact!" for one example. If you honestly believe that people going to the PS3 forums warrant a ban because those boards are meant for Sony fans, don't come to the Wii forum and make inflammatory comments.
Also, I find it a lark that the same people who claimed the right to troll the 360 and Wii on the PS3 forum are complaining about PS3 trolling on the Wii forum.
You have 7 post Vs. my almost 1,500. By now all consoles have been relased, if your just a passionate Wii supporter and dislike hearing anything bad against the Wii, even if their arnt any games out for me to play.
I got my Wii on launch Nov.17 :) So far a lot of the games are ports, Zelda: TP, Far Cry, Resident Evil 4, COD 3, the list goes on... When Nintendo released a few decent exclusive games that interest me i'll start using it again.
So the argument that you can't troll PS3 on the PS3 forum only applies to the PS3 forum?
You contribute nothing to this forum but attack the Wii.
Wow, 1,500 posts. I guess that gets you a "get out of ban" card. If you argue that you somehow have the right to troll here, then you should stop complaining about trolling on the PS3 forums.
So the argument that you can't troll PS3 on the PS3 forum only applies to the PS3 forum?
You contribute nothing to this forum but attack the Wii.
Wow, 1,500 posts. I guess that gets you a "get out of ban" card. If you argue that you somehow have the right to troll here, then you should stop complaining about trolling on the PS3 forums.
Dude, all i said was St.Jude is a troll. Not you, and guess what he was. End of story man.
Except for the fact that you had to bring a Wii attack to the Wii forum.
Either what you're doing is a bannable offense like it is on the PS3 forums (but since mods look out for Sony fans...), or it isn't, and the mods just want to stop people from trolling the PS3.
I've heard people say both that the PS3 cannot be trolled on its forum without getting you banned and that the Wii/360 are fair game for trolling - because it isn't, according to them.
So I see no reason why you should remain when you troll the Wii on the Wii forum and then go over and whine about people trolling the PS3.
lol m$ is attacking everybody
[velocity]
05-30-2007, 19:11
Actually, can you blame Microsoft for doing this? I'd choose the normal Xbox instead of Wii anyday. Really, have you seen a Wii game with even decent graphics in compare to the first Xbox? I haven't.
And I like the xbox controller 73.186x more than Wii's one.
So... can you blame microsoft for making this statement?
thekingofkings
05-30-2007, 19:22
GameCube had games that looked better than 99,999% of Xbox games, and now they are saying a console, which uses similar yet more advanced technology & has at least twice as big numbers as GC, doesn't overpower Xbox? BS. It's a sad fact that devs aren't taking advantage of Wii's hardware, but that doesn't mean it doesn't beat Xbox.
LOL! What Gamecube games were YOU looking at? Resident Evil 0, remake and RE4 were the crown jewels for the Gamecube. I played MANY titles and none were better or worse then Xbox or PS2 for that matter. Who cares if the Wii is underpowered next to the Xbox? Should it really matter anymore?
;1476685']Actually, can you blame Microsoft for doing this?
Well, yeah. I mean, they're lying, and I generally blame people for that.
I'd choose the normal Xbox instead of Wii anyday. Really, have you seen a Wii game with even decent graphics in compare to the first Xbox? I haven't.
I have.
And I like the xbox controller 73.186x more than Wii's one.
That's nice for you, I guess. Baby duck syndrome FTW!
So... can you blame microsoft for making this statement?
Yes. It's just plain false, and they know it.
yea, 3rd party games are going, but more 1st party games are comming. So far SONY has the largest list of 1st part games out of all 3 consoles. This list will only increase, SONY being so wide spread has gaming studios all over the world, there will never be a shortage of games for it.
I doubt that 1st party games would keep the PS3 going for long. You have to remember that it was the massive 3rd party support that allowed PS2 to win the last generation, and I can't see that being any different this gen.
The biggest problem I can see for Sony is that the PS3 sales are currently way under what they are expecting, so their 1st party games will also not sell as well. So when the hardware is losing money, the software is losing money, and the 3rd party licences are drying up, where does that leave them? At this rate Sony will be hard pushed to break even this gen.
Well, yeah. I mean, they're lying, and I generally blame people for that.
I have.
That's nice for you, I guess. Baby duck syndrome FTW!
Yes. It's just plain false, and they know it.
I gotta agree with you for once, Seebs.. Well, actually you've made some good points in the past.. but anyways! Why are people so willing to let people off the hook for what they've said? My god, some people still won't let go of Kuturagi's comments about 4D.
At this rate Sony will be hard pushed to break even this gen.
Breaking even is an effing pipe dream for the PS3.
I gotta agree with you for once, Seebs.. Well, actually you've made some good points in the past.. but anyways! Why are people so willing to let people off the hook for what they've said? My god, some people still won't let go of Kuturagi's comments about 4D.
Well, you probably meant that rhetorically, but:
In general, people are very bad at actually thinking through an argument. Most people will accept an argument that they like the conclusion of without close examination. Try this experiment:
1. Find some Democrats. Bitch about Michael Moore. Watch as they all explain that he's better than Rush Limbaugh.
2. Find some Republicans. Bitch about Rush Limbaugh. Watch as they all explain that he's better than Michael Moore.
People are, by default, fairly hypocritical; they will accept a lot of "quirks" in people they agree with, while quickly condemning the deceitful behavior of those they disagree with. Training yourself to notice when people you like are lying, and call them on it, is hard. Often, if you point out an error in an argument, people simply assume that you disagree with the conclusion. People will spend months arguing that someone isn't a real Republican, Christian, atheist, Muslim, Democrat, PS3 owner, or whatever else, rather than admitting that someone might just think a particular argument sucks.
Most large companies lie pretty much habitually, so far as I can tell. Nintendo's not exactly pure in this regard, although I think they are temporarily in a place where their marketing hype is purely about subjective claims anyway. You can dispute MS's use of their EDRAM bandwidth numbers as deceptive, or you can argue that Sony's presentation of how powerful Cell is doesn't match up to reality; what can you say about Nintendo's claim that they think their system is "very fun"?
A lot of the time, though, people will put up with a lie if it's useful to them. Politics, religion, music, consoles... It's all the same thing. People love to pick sides. Right now, the Wii's market success is clearly upsetting a lot of people, because it does pose a risk to the success of the other consoles, and thus in turn to their game libraries. Some people react by trying to promote anything bad they hear about the Wii, even if it's just plain dumb. A casual review of the specs suggests that the Wii is marginally buffer than the original xbox, even without taking into account the G3's technical superiority to a P3 clock-for-clock. (To get picky, the Wii's graphics hardware is less flexible, but it's almost certainly faster, especially if, as suggested, it's got 16-pass instead of 8-pass effects at no cost.)