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Rare: Perfect Dark 0 could work on the Revolution
Posted Nov 16, 2005, 4:16 PM ET by Ross Miller
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Microsoft may be smiling from ear to ear with Kojima’s recent comments about the Xbox 360 hardware, but a Rare employee speaking to Eurogamer has given some love to Nintendo’s Revolution, as well. Multiplayer designer Duncan Botwood claims that Rare could actually port Perfect Dark Zero to Nintendo’s next-generation console:
We could make it work, but there’d be some changes to the gameplay, I expect; the controller looks like it might lend itself towards a light gun style of shooting, which would be a fresh approach.
Those are some kind words which hint at Nintendo’s ability to keep up with the competition, in terms of technology. However, Botwood showed some skepticism for Nintendo’s new controller: “Most people don’t use TV remote controls constantly for a whole hour, let alone wave them in the air all that time.”
Take your TV remote and swing it around in the air for awhile - how long do you think you could do that in one play session without getting tired? What if you had your arm resting and just moved your wrist?
http://joystiq.com/entry/1234000303068291/
guess people have under-estimated Nintendo. 8)
I am very curious as to what Nintendo is doing, I admit I never go out of my way to check it out(I think I have only been in revo thread probably atleast 3 times since I started posting on forums) All I know is it has a messed up controller which might be ok for some games and a built in HDD which is a smart move, I don't know what they are doing for GPU and CPU then again I don't think anyone does. If you call sony tight lipped then Nintendo must be mute.
Edit
I just made my first post in this thread. I popsted here thinking it was in the Xbox 360 section(where I clicked the link to thread)
Stoffinator
11-17-2005, 04:49
I think Nintendo might just pull into 2nd place this coming Generation.
1)Sony
2)Nintendo
3)M$
So this must mean the Rev is going to be a pretty powerful console itself.
The Chocobo Kid
11-17-2005, 12:56
I think Nintendo might just pull into 2nd place this coming Generation.
1)Sony
2)Nintendo
3)M$
So this must mean the Rev is going to be a pretty powerful console itself.M$ is in the last place onece againg.
And you (the chocobo kid) are a idiot - again..
I was thinking how big idiot is steroyd, but when I see your posts, then Iam sure
that you are the ultra idiot..
Dude, if you want to stay here you can't flame other users.
Umm, for those thinking that Microsoft will fall in third place this upcoming generation, I refer you to this question, what game does Nintendo have that can sell with the quantity of a Halo 3?
Mario? Well, in the U.S. Mario Sunshine hasn't really sold well. Granted, a new Mario for Revolution probably will forego any ridiculous ideas like water packs and probably focus more on some revolutionary implementation, but even in Japan Mario games don't sell as well as they used to. In my opinion, Mario would probably sell the best in Europe. But will Nintendo be setting some kind of entertainment record with the newest Mario game like Halo 2 did? Probably not.
Zelda? I'm curious to see the sales numbers for Wind Waker in the U.S. It's probably under 2 million. Zelda Twilight Princess will probably sell a good deal, but it's coming at the end of the hardware cycle for the Gamecube, and by then PS3 will be out. But this is about Zelda Revolution. Will Zelda Revolution set all kinds of entertainment records when it is released?
Metroid Prime? I was so dissappointed with this game. I wanted to be able to control the game like Halo and the fact that the story was basically non existant (reading text through a visor does not count as a moving story) basically sealed my lack of trust in Retro Studios. Can Metroid Prime break all kinds of entertainment records like Halo 2?
Super Smash Brothers? This is probably Nintendo's biggest card to play seeing as how it sold the most units out of all Gamecube releases thus far. But, again, can it work the Halo magic?
Also, people seem to not understand that all Nintendo consoles since the transitions of the NES to the Super NES to the N64 to the Gamecube has seen Nintendo with less market penetration generation after generation after generation. What's going to change this? Face it. Nintendo doesn't have the overwhelming clout it used to have, especially in the U.S.
The argument can be made that Nintendo has so many franchises and so many knockout punches in reserve that Microsoft will just fall out of the race for number 2, or (dare I say it?) number one. Certainly that would seem to be the prevailing notion after I listed all these franchises would it not? Well I have a counter argument to that statement. Nintendo certainly didn't hold back on its main franchises for Gamecube, did it? I mean, we get two Zelda's, a Mario game, Luigi even gets a game, a Mario Kart, countless Mario Parties and Mario sports games, Pikmins, Pokemon's, Fire Emblem's and the like and they STILL haven't outsold the box in the U.S. and in fact they actually trail in total systems sold worldwide if even by a small margin. My, my, a newcomer with virtually NO franchise presence was able to outsell the godfather of gaming, so as you can see, this point is null and void.
This is why I believe they will not be second place this gen, this and the fact that MS is launching a good 9 months ahead of the Revo. I see the Revolution topping out at 30 million units. The controller will definitely attract new gamers but I think a good deal of the hardcore will become disillusioned with Nintendo in the next gen.
I believe MS will sell somewhere between 30 and 50 million systems worldwide throughout the life cycle of the 360, although this is a conservative estimate. Microsoft, in my opinion, has some very ambitious projects slated for the 360. I fully expect Sakaguchi to work his magic on Lost Odyssey and its sequels and Blue Dragon. I fully expect Mass Effect and its sequels to sell by the truckloads. I fully expect Too Human to set gamer's on fire. And then there's the Halo 3 card that Microsoft will have to play and also sequels to Perfect Dark, which--I believe--will be way more well received than Zero.
Let it be known that I plan on purchasing a Revolution. I get all systems, I don't let system bias stop me from playing great games. I just have a very small resonance for Nintendo at this time because they just seemingly refuse to play hardball, i.e. no tech specs, no tech demos, nothing. If I could at least get a peek at the next Mario game for the Revolution then maybe I wouldn't be so pessimistic towards Nintendo, but as it stands right now, as I see things Microsoft is poised to strike for the kill.
i wouldn't be so sure Fedos.
first off your comparing many Nintendo titles to just one Xbox title, that's a bit wrong.
Nintendo don't have one title that sells as much as Halo, but it has many titles that'll consistantly keep people on the system.
It's really a question of where MS stands in the gaming industry last gen, they were the most powerful, best online service console going, now they've adopted the personalities of Sony and Nintendo.
Nintendo = Miscrosoft
"It's all about the games" - yeah Nintendo have been using that lingo for 2 decades now, and they've upped the ante with the controller.
"Split SKU's" - to percieve themselves as a cheaper console and a feature rich one, which Nintedo will rip their balls with the cheapness of the Nintendo Revolution.
Sony = Microsoft
"Windows Media extender, Xbox 360 centre of the household" - yeah sony have been a multi-media hub for a decade (well aimed to be), and well PS3 is ahnihalating Xbox 360 as a multi-media hub department (internet browsing, blu-ray media etc)
Now the beautiful part, where MS has to run to, Xbox Live.
Xbox Live Arcade and Market lace are going to be destroyed two places in one... Nintendo.
Not only is the back catalog of downloadable games, going to hurt MS's arcade feature, but nintendo's market place will be hard to beat because of that, and it's also going to be free to play online (just look at the frikken Nintendo DS :shock: ).
Not to mention Sony's open - Sourced nature of things i can't say much about sony's online service but P2P?, VOIP?, instant messaging? plus Web browsing, not to mention Sony are already setting up a market place for their SOE department.
MS stood as the console with the better graphics, and the better online, but now next gen Sony has the better graphics, and at the moment MS's pride and joy of XBL seems under threat by both japaneese companies.
So what's MS's stature in the matter, Halo?
the only thing that's going to keep MS afloat is a great library of games, and that's for Europe and Japan to decide.
At this rate it's going to be sure fire hell for MS to get 50 million consoles, and it's only going to be the games that gets them that many.
You're right, Nintendo doesn't have one title that sells like Halo, but the titles that Nintendo DOES have are usually bought by repeat gamers (ie the hardcore Nintendo faithful or those who grew up with Nintendo and have stayed with them until now). That's who I see as the purchasers of Nintendo games. Not the causal gaming fan, but the Nintendo hardcore. That seriously limits Nintendo in terms of how many units sold for any given game.
I think people are seriously underestimating MS' dedication and resolve to the gaming world. Microsoft is not like Nintendo. They want to be number one, and they are not going to settle to playing second fiddle to Sony.
"Split SKU's" - to percieve themselves as a cheaper console and a feature rich one, which Nintedo will rip their balls with the cheapness of the Nintendo Revolution.
Won't this also effect the PS3, the cheapness of the Revolution? And while you may be thinking it, I don't believe it will effect Microsoft all that much. For one, $299 for the core is a great value and a good way for parents who are pressed on cash to provide a next generation system for their children. You must be under the assumption that the Revolution is going to cost $150. I'd probably peg it around the $250 mark. And even if it does end up costing less, Microsoft will more than likely lower the price of the Core and Premium editions of the 360 launch to challenge Sony and Nintendo so we could be looking at a $250 dollar Core system and a $350 dollar Premium system.
Not only is the back catalog of downloadable games, going to hurt MS's arcade feature, but nintendo's market place will be hard to beat because of that, and it's also going to be free to play online (just look at the frikken Nintendo DS
Question, how many parents will actually be aware of this feature when or if they go to buy their children a Revolution? Also, Nintendo's Marketplace will not be free. There will be a fee to download games, if even just a small fee. Also, I don't think that this advent of downloading classic games is going to appeal much to the casual gaming fan. I believe that the hardcore such as those on this site are more interested in this than the casual gaming fan, who probably doesn't know about it ,or if they do probably don't even care. Why spend time and money downloading old and archaic games when I can play Mario Revolution? That's the thinking behind the casual gamer, who is very turned on by great graphics and not so much turned on by ancient Nintendo titles.
at the moment MS's pride and joy of XBL seems under threat by both japaneese companies.
Seeing as how the Revolution's online plan is free, I seriously doubt that Nintendo will implement things like Gotham TV in their games. Don't you agree? It is free afteralll. And we have only just begun to see the advancements that Microsoft will incorporate into the next generation of Xbox Live. Those who purchase 360's will give Microsoft all of the ammunition necessary to cement Live as the definitive online gaming service.
I think Microsoft will take full advantage of this headstart in the U.S. and European markets. They may not be able to meet full demand now, but after the holidays I expect that we will se a continual flow of hardware throughout these two regions. If Microsoft can sell five million units worldwide by the time the PS3 even leaves the gate then that coupled with the word of mouth and the impending launch of Halo 3 will be a very hard combination for Sony to surpass.
Won't this also effect the PS3, the cheapness of the Revolution? And while you may be thinking it, I don't believe it will effect Microsoft all that much. For one, $299 for the core is a great value and a good way for parents who are pressed on cash to provide a next generation system for their children. You must be under the assumption that the Revolution is going to cost $150. I'd probably peg it around the $250 mark. And even if it does end up costing less, Microsoft will more than likely lower the price of the Core and Premium editions of the 360 launch to challenge Sony and Nintendo so we could be looking at a $250 dollar Core system and a $350 dollar Premium system.
you see this is where it's a double edged sword, MS needs the kiddie style games to appeal to the young ones that parents will go after, the friendly face of Mario, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, Zelda and the child - like nature of most of Nintendo's games, will appeal parents to by them moreso than GOW, Halo, Ninja Gaiden and the likes.
it's more of a with all the crap going on about games affecting kids, do you really think a parent who looks at the news would get their child a console like Playstation or Xbox over Nintendo?
Question, how many parents will actually be aware of this feature when or if they go to buy their children a Revolution? Also, Nintendo's Marketplace will not be free. There will be a fee to download games, if even just a small fee. Also, I don't think that this advent of downloading classic games is going to appeal much to the casual gaming fan. I believe that the hardcore such as those on this site are more interested in this than the casual gaming fan, who probably doesn't know about it ,or if they do probably don't even care. Why spend time and money downloading old and archaic games when I can play Mario Revolution? That's the thinking behind the casual gamer, who is very turned on by great graphics and not so much turned on by ancient Nintendo titles.
again this is a double edged sword why would casual gamer buy anything off XBL market place, i'm pretty sure the back catalog of downloadable games would mop the floor with Bejewelled or any other MS arcade game they're trying to sell over XBL anyway.
It's not just the casual gamer who would buy into this, how many people have high regard for Mario Kart, Mario 64, Zelda, Metroid, and Donkey Kong, that goes beyond the hardcore Nintendites.
Think the Nintendo market place as moreso for the parents than the children ;)
Seeing as how the Revolution's online plan is free, I seriously doubt that Nintendo will implement things like Gotham TV in their games. Don't you agree? It is free afteralll. And we have only just begun to see the advancements that Microsoft will incorporate into the next generation of Xbox Live. Those who purchase 360's will give Microsoft all of the ammunition necessary to cement Live as the definitive online gaming service.
i thought Gotham TV was only for Project Gotham racing.
problem is people respond better to free than fee, MS would have to have all these features that appeal beyond the hardcore gamer to get more subscribers, how often would a casual gamer play online?
having a free service enables casual gamers to play when they want, more freedom as it may resulting in a higher online userbase.
I think Microsoft will take full advantage of this headstart in the U.S. and European markets. They may not be able to meet full demand now, but after the holidays I expect that we will se a continual flow of hardware throughout these two regions. If Microsoft can sell five million units worldwide by the time the PS3 even leaves the gate then that coupled with the word of mouth and the impending launch of Halo 3 will be a very hard combination for Sony to surpass.
that's been the problem with MS they need Halo to get themselves out of "expletive deleted" Xbox 360 will probably have more than Halo next gen, but at the moment that's the only game the casual gamer is really looking for.
it'll be pathetic if Halo IS the only game they can throw Sony, because you'll have Halo 3 then after it's launch... then what? Wait until Halo 4 that'll show Sony. :roll:
selling 5 million units before Sony isn't that much of a headstart, Sony only sold 3 million before Xbox, then ended up with a 70 million lead at the end.
this website is acting up...
Yes, and the reason Sony went on to sell 70 million units was because of word of mouth and the Playstation fanbase. Microsoft now has a fanbase (though not as big as Sony's) and they also have a headstart. People I think really underestimate what word of mouth does to a console. After the hardcore purchase the 360 their casual gamer friends will see its virtues and decide whether or not if they should also purchase the console.
again this is a double edged sword why would casual gamer buy anything off XBL market place, i'm pretty sure the back catalog of downloadable games would mop the floor with Bejewelled or any other MS arcade game they're trying to sell over XBL anyway.
It's not just the casual gamer who would buy into this, how many people have high regard for Mario Kart, Mario 64, Zelda, Metroid, and Donkey Kong, that goes beyond the hardcore Nintendites.
Think the Nintendo market place as moreso for the parents than the children
Microsoft, I feel, has made some moves on the front of child geared games. For one, it has been announced that Rare will announce two new games in the Spring. I'm hoping that one of those games is a new Banjo, and even if it isn't I'm sure it's coming. And Kameo I'm sure will appeal to a lot of children.
Your argument that the parents would be moreso interested in the Revo's downloadable games is kind of invalid. For one, if these parents have Nintendo so ingrained in their collective psyches then why haven't they contributed or even bought GBA re releases like Super Mario Brothers 3 and A Link to the Past? Last time I checked those games were not selling in the tens of millions. The reason being that parents who played games in their past have largely moved on and don't play games anymore, and I don't think that the advent of downloading these past Nintendo titles is enough to get them back into gaming.
i thought Gotham TV was only for Project Gotham racing.
problem is people respond better to free than fee, MS would have to have all these features that appeal beyond the hardcore gamer to get more subscribers, how often would a casual gamer play online?
having a free service enables casual gamers to play when they want, more freedom as it may resulting in a higher online userbase.
Yes, people DO respond better to free rather than fee, and once they get a taste of the free Xbox Live Silver they will not want to miss out on the advancements of Xbox Live. I see Xbox Live soaring this generation, as broadband penetration will increase and the very fact that they'll be able to test out some of their favorite games over the Internet to see if Live is worth it is enough for a far larger adoption rate than this gen. Also, Gotham TV IS only for Gotham 3, I was just using that as an example of the advancements Microsoft will implement into Xbox Live because people actually pay to play giving Microsoft more incentive and ability to add all kinds of perks.
Mr. Solanky
11-20-2005, 23:26
I don't think I could Justify buying a 400$ thing for my kid VS. a 150$-250$ thing.
Yes, people DO respond better to free rather than fee, and once they get a taste of the free Xbox Live Silver they will not want to miss out on the advancements of Xbox Live. I see Xbox Live soaring this generation, as broadband penetration will increase and the very fact that they'll be able to test out some of their favorite games over the Internet to see if Live is worth it is enough for a far larger adoption rate than this gen. Also, Gotham TV IS only for Gotham 3, I was just using that as an example of the advancements Microsoft will implement into Xbox Live because people actually pay to play giving Microsoft more incentive and ability to add all kinds of perks.
MS can put in all the "perks" in XBL all they want it'll still be seen as a Free to play online vs fee to play online.
Yes, and the reason Sony went on to sell 70 million units was because of word of mouth and the Playstation fanbase. Microsoft now has a fanbase (though not as big as Sony's) and they also have a headstart. People I think really underestimate what word of mouth does to a console. After the hardcore purchase the 360 their casual gamer friends will see its virtues and decide whether or not if they should also purchase the console.
it's going to be battle of word of mouth then, word of mouth helped Xbox because people said it had better graphics, so what happens when it goes the other way round (make note people are that shallow :roll: ), 90 million that's a loooot of people talking good about the Playstation.
Microsoft, I feel, has made some moves on the front of child geared games. For one, it has been announced that Rare will announce two new games in the Spring. I'm hoping that one of those games is a new Banjo, and even if it isn't I'm sure it's coming. And Kameo I'm sure will appeal to a lot of children.
they've made one move towards kiddy gamers, and thats acquiring RARE but even i'm questioning their ability to make kiddy games now.
The only way i can see MS appeal to the younger gamers any further is by acquiring Nintendo or something.
Your argument that the parents would be moreso interested in the Revo's downloadable games is kind of invalid. For one, if these parents have Nintendo so ingrained in their collective psyches then why haven't they contributed or even bought GBA re releases like Super Mario Brothers 3 and A Link to the Past? Last time I checked those games were not selling in the tens of millions. The reason being that parents who played games in their past have largely moved on and don't play games anymore, and I don't think that the advent of downloading these past Nintendo titles is enough to get them back into gaming.
home console versus Handheld... hmmm
if you look at polls even though they're nothing to go by it shows the most attractive feature of Nintendo Revolution (in Japan) is the downloadable old Nintendo titles, if this translates into sales i don't know but i'm one of those people who will be front in line ;)
The Chocobo Kid
11-21-2005, 11:29
if they can get the game to do the same on the Revo then power is the same there with the xbox and Revo.
Mr. Solanky
11-22-2005, 02:34
I think that it there might be a good chance of Perfect Dark Zero on the revolution, Since Rare made the original for the Nintendo 64, and Perfect Dark Zero was actually supposed to be on the Gamecube, I think I heard that on Gamespot or gamecubeheaven. I dunno.
Shrinnan
11-22-2005, 02:39
I think that it there might be a good chance of Perfect Dark Zero on the revolution, Since Rare made the original for the Nintendo 64, and Perfect Dark Zero was actually supposed to be on the Gamecube, I think I heard that on Gamespot or gamecubeheaven. I dunno.
Not possible, Microsoft owns Rare which means they have the decision of porting their game to a different console, they only do that with handhelds.
Mr. Solanky
11-22-2005, 02:57
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Whoops. Scratch that. I remember now, I think Star Fox adventure was their last console game for Nintendo. And If I remeber, It sucked.
gtecartman
11-22-2005, 03:02
I dont see why it wouldn't be able to "work" on the Revolution. We are talking about the game just running smoothly, but not in HD because the Rev doesn't support it. So basicly all it is saying is that the Rev CPU, GPU, and Mem are roughly equal to the 360.
Blackeye
11-22-2005, 04:05
Microsoft owns Rare. I don't think this game will be coming to the Revolution. Maybe they mean that the Revolution has enough power to have PD0 run on it.
lol Fedos, and Steroyd arguing made me completely forget what this thread was about until I looked up at the title, and said "Oh." The whole "Who's On First" argument has nothing to do with a game being able to run on the Revolution.
And as far as the revolution itself playing FPS, or any games, for that matter. ..we'll just have to wait and see if it'll work, or not.
Next gen I can only see myself getting a Rev and a PS3,
I hope Nintendo come in 1st or 2nd place this year, this will ither make or break Nintendo, 2nd the controller, i cant wait to try it out, but im also worried, will it hurt my wrist and arms like in the 1st post of this thread, 3rd for me as u can tell by my name, I am also wanting the Classic Nintendo titles, i collect the carts but still will download the ROMs into the Rev incase i quickly want to switch over, 4th I think Nintendo might go into the mature market this time around, they see whats happening.
Lets hope Nintendo make it thought, because to me i can see a other GAME CRASH coming, by the way these new machines are looking.
Theres no orignailty no more, all it is, is sequal after sequal, i want some fresh ideas
Sederior
11-26-2005, 11:14
When you mention about the parents buying a system for their kids I always think about what kind of parents those people will be.
I mean the parents will most likely remember the good ol' days of the NES where they spent countless hours with an 8-bit machine, and be at a store and look "Oh, hey, the new nintendo! and it's got all my old games +1!" Or it would be something like "Oh Nintendo! Mario! Link! My kid has got to see what this will be all about!"
Face it, the age of the old NES gamer is starting to get older. They have families of their own now, and they'll most likely want their kids to play a toy, not something that's so ultra-realistic like God of War or Splinter Cell. The machine will be so much of a toy that even the parents will get into it. The nostalgia feature of the Revolution will pay off in spades.
cx1(dcfan)
11-26-2005, 21:01
The revolution will be a powerful console, there is no doubt. You can make a case for the GC being technically extremely powerful and the rev should push (by nintendo's statements) 3-6x the GC's power. Which is probubly enough to give graphics on par with most xbox360 games (that arent on hdtv).
Japan my guess.
1.PS3
2.Rev
3.x360
(my bet is rev can make a run at #1 in japan)
US
1.PS3/x360
2.rev.
I think rev can set itself up nicely as everyone's second console... if it is a good 100-150$ cheaper than ps3/x360, I am beting plenty of gamers will hedge their bets on a ps3 or x360 and then pick up a rev as a second choice.
If the rev can move up from a distant 3rd in the US market to a 2nd place or so, and a 2nd or 1st in japan, I would say that is a best case for nintendo.
Sorry to everyone outside of us/japan, I am not familiar with the euro market although im guessing it mirrors the US market more than the japanese one, so my statements for the US can be used as a rough guide.
On an aside here on the revolution's technical power. I have always said that looking at zelda twilight princess then imagining graphics wise 3x-6x more powerful, that is next generation to me. I would guess the difference will not be as huge as a DC-> ps2 difference.
Also nintendo tends to under-rate their consoles while sony over-rates theirs, im guessing when nintendo says 3x-6x more powerful, they mean 6x.
Should be interesting, no matter what happens though I hope nintendo does better this time around, I think we need a three console system for our industry to grow.
IMO if one system should go, it should be 360, Nintendo vs Sony will be a good battle, i liked it better when Sega were nintendos rivals
cx1(dcfan)
11-27-2005, 00:46
IMO if one system should go, it should be 360, Nintendo vs Sony will be a good battle, i liked it better when Sega were nintendos rivals
Im a huge sega fan, but I understand why sega had to go... to be honest they didnt belong in this new market. Not a good enough first party lineup to float the system, and not enough 3rd party support to compete with sony... I think that Sega was incredibly innovative, which made them the logical opponent of nintendo, but Microsoft is innovative in a way that I think is probubly better than Sega.
Sega simply didnt have enough money, their innovations were great, the dreamcast in particular (still my fav console) VMU was awesome, online gaming, cheap system... etc.
But you cannot deny that Microsoft has this attitude, they take 1 or 2 innovations and just support them until they succeed. This is something that sega, and even nintendo would not do. Microsoft said online was the future, so it forced its developers to make their games online. And thus they changed gaming. Soundtracks are now customizable in every game, and now their HD era. You have to respect someone who sees where they want to go and then take you there no matter what, xbox live did not have a great start and now it is the standard.
It is my opinion that without microsoft, nintendo would not have built their current system around online play.
Microsoft didnt invent the internet, didnt invent Hard drives or HD TVs but they are taking the gaming industry in that direction. And I can respect that, if anything im happy they are here and not sega, because they have taken the industry to a place that sega simply couldnt.
sevendesigns
11-27-2005, 19:27
I don't care for Nintendo's Revolution at all. But I see it being more competition for Sony than Microsoft is. We'll just have to see what happens.
Mr. Solanky
11-27-2005, 22:32
Well, I think that the Revolution will be a second console to most people. In my case though, and I'm sure a couple of other people, the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 will be their second console. I like Microsoft, But I think the Playstation 3 will be better. And quite frankly, If Sega had more support, They might still be in the Console industry.
Not in the U.S., Sevendesigns. Nintendo has lost a lot of its lustre in the U.S...And may I ask how a Nintendo Revolution which will be aiming for a completely different market than Sony will or even can compete with an entity (MS) which is aiming for the exact same market as Sony?
Goldfiinger
12-02-2005, 11:54
Yes, and the reason Sony went on to sell 70 million units was because of word of mouth and the Playstation fanbase. Microsoft now has a fanbase (though not as big as Sony's) and they also have a headstart. People I think really underestimate what word of mouth does to a console. After the hardcore purchase the 360 their casual gamer friends will see its virtues and decide whether or not if they should also purchase the console
Yes word of mouth that it's best to wait three months and chose which is best then. Rather than jump the gun. To me and my friends thats what word of mouth has done. People have cancled there pre orders and are now waiting to see what Sony will really bring to the party. And thats throguh word of mouth.
Remember playstation has NEVER been first to market yet it has always been the winner. So this should change why? Because again its not first to market ? Dont see how it changes things....
Two things, Playstation may not have been first to market the last two generations, but in both of those generations it was competing against two floundering Sega consoles, the Saturn and Dreamcast. The Sega fanbase was collectivley confused when the Saturn launched. I'm sure many a casual Sega fan thought that the recently released 32X would be where the company would focus all its energies and with the revelation and release of the Saturn they were--I'm sure--taken aback. (Just to note, I was one of those early Saturn purchasers but I'd never purchased the 32X so this didn't really apply to me).
For the Dreamcast, Sega's fanbase had become dwindled from the Saturn years, and the previous advantage of having a huge fanbase was gone for Sega. This is not the case with MS. MS has now proven their dedication and willingness to commit to the gaming arena and it is their existing fanbase and new converts along with word of mouth that will help grow MS' marketshare.
Also, even though the Saturn came out first, it was more expensive than the Playstation, by a good margin if I remember correctly. It is widely believed that the 360 will be cheaper than the PS3. Casual game fans who don't have any intention to go online can still get into the next generation of gaming with a solid $299, they won't be able to do that with the PS3.
And while the PS2 was more expensive than the Dreamcast (by a good $100 margin to be precise) and the PS2 STILL won this doesn't really apply to MS' situation. For one, Sega didn't have any EA development, despite the fantastic 2K series. And two, Sega didn't really have any great games on the horizon to combat the PS2. Sure, they had Shenmue, but it proved impotent at retail. Microsoft has games announced coming out well in to 2007, with titles such as Gears of War, Too Human, Mass Effect, and Lost Odyssey. Lastly, Sega didn't have the cash reserves that Microsoft has. Most gamers can tell the difference between Microsoft and Sega. :wink:
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curryking1
03-08-2008, 15:51
This was done.