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PS3World
06-20-2007, 19:12
Not just Sony Computer Entertaiment, but the whole of Sony corp.


Becomes world's second largest consumer electronics manufacturer
Nintendo's market value is gaining on rival Sony (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954#) as demand for the Wii and DS puts the company at the forefront of the console (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954#) market.


According to a Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUST16554720070620?pageNumber=1) report, Nintendo (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954#) is worth JPY 6.30 trillion (EUR 37.9 bn), compared to Sony's JPY 6.64 trillion, making it the world's second largest consumer electronics maker, as it overtakes Matsu****a's share of JPY 6.23 trillion.
Both Sony and Panasonic (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954#) manufacturer Matsu****a register sales more than eight times higher than Nintendo.


"Nintendo is a market leader in everything it does now, which is basically the handheld as well as console gaming (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954#) market," commented Hiroshi Kamide, analyst at KBC Securities.
"We haven't seen Nintendo being a market leader in both products for over a decade."
Nintendo's share price has grown by almost 400 per cent in the past two years, while Sony's has grown 72 per cent and Matsu****a's has seen a 53 per cent rise.



http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954

I know Wii and DS have been extremely successfully, but come on..SONY?!

Cant be right, can it?

gabrielh
06-20-2007, 19:14
Make me wish I bought Nintendo shares few years ago.

Engelbert!
06-20-2007, 19:15
Yea, I'm thinking of putting 200 into Sony shares a couple days before E3, but if Killzone dissapoints, many people will say that the PS3 is crap and then due to the domino effect lots of people will sell their shares :(. But I think Killzone is gonna rock!

Booha
06-20-2007, 19:16
I doubt this, Nintendo has basically nothing out of videogames. Sony has many products that deal with almost every form of technology.

Punisher99
06-20-2007, 19:19
Not just Sony Computer
Entertainment
, but the whole of Sony corp.
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=25954

Cant be right, can it?


This cant be right. Can anyone name any electronics Nintendo makes besides gaming console and handheld games??? Sony makes gaming consoles, handhelds, stereos, car stereos, dvd players, TVs, speakers, desktops, laptops, wires, and a few other things I cant think of. So how is this topic true?

xythander
06-20-2007, 19:21
I doubt this, Nintendo has basically nothing out of videogames. Sony has many products that deal with almost every form of technology.

Doubt it all you want but it looks to be true. Here's are 2 interesting quotes.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT16554720070620?rpc=401&feedType=RSS



Nintendo shares closed up 1.4 percent at 44,500 yen, increasing its market capitalisation to 6.30 trillion yen ($51 billion).


That compares with Matsu****a's 6.23 trillion yen and 6.64 trillion yen for Sony -- the world's largest and second-largest consumer electronics makers, each having sales more than eight times as big as Nintendo.http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172790.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0


Over the last two years, Sony's stock has gained 72 percent, outperforming the Nikkei's average of 59 percent. Nintendo shares have also jumped--some 300 percent over the same time period.

The_One
06-20-2007, 19:22
It's true because:
1) Nintendo always makes a profit.
2) Sony, while it's big, has a LOT of overhead in its business. A lot of cost are used up to run the entire corporation.

Azure
06-20-2007, 19:22
They dont manufactur much but they DO make a profit on everything. Whereas Sony typically makes profit on... not so much.

Insanehead
06-20-2007, 19:22
Well MS is making tons of money and yet the only hardware they produced is the xbox.

Punisher99
06-20-2007, 19:23
Doubt it all you want but it looks to be true. Here's are 2 interesting quotes.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/technology-media-telco-SP/idUKT16554720070620?rpc=401&feedType=RSS

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172790.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestn (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172790.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0)
ews&tag=latestnews;title;0 (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6172790.html?action=convert&om_clk=latestnews&tag=latestnews;title;0)



Rule #1. Dont believe everything you read. They can lie too just like the next person.

Thorzilla
06-20-2007, 19:24
:lol: Nintento earning as much as Sony :lol:
I love how the word censor removes the word **** from Matsus.h.i.t.a.

EDIT:
Well MS is making tons of money and yet the only hardware they produced is the xbox.
You gotta get your facts straight. MS has lost millions with its Xbox and 360. They have YET to recover money lost from Xbox 1.

Rynoboy
06-20-2007, 19:24
i don't look at it as a bad thing that nintendo is doing good it is a good brand

nojoegohome
06-20-2007, 19:25
short term putting money in sony shares is probably a good idea as long as you sell them right after E3
Nintendo own at making small crappy games and cheap crappy consoles

leomon
06-20-2007, 19:25
This link is crap.

For sony, the gaming industry is small compared to the other things its in, such as music and movies.

Nintendos approach fun gaming.

Sony, integrative, multimedia. Sony has a hand in everything.

Like punisher said sony has alot more electronics than just ps3's.

U forgot cameras.

In no way is the gaming industry bigger than the tv/camera/laptop industry.

so forget it.

ylvis
06-20-2007, 19:27
I doubt this, Nintendo has basically nothing out of videogames. Sony has many products that deal with almost every form of technology.

Doubt it? It's all over the news. Reuters, CNN, Sky News etc. etc. I guess all of them are lying.

Poster above me: So you think that all of the news media are just lying about those numbers?

biohazrd
06-20-2007, 19:28
Well MS is making tons of money and yet the only hardware they produced is the xbox.

Keep in mind you have to spend it to make it.. MS lost money on the first one, and thats what was to be expected.

Nintendo has a fan base that will buy into just about anything it puts out.

Sony makes way more then just ps3, like already stated. I find it difficult to believe but you know...

its not easy leading a format war, a console war, and a.. well... nice tvs

Rynoboy
06-20-2007, 19:30
This link is crap.

For sony, the gaming industry is small compared to the other things its in, such as music and movies.

Nintendos approach fun gaming.

Sony, integrative, multimedia. Sony has a hand in everything.

Like punisher said sony has alot more electronics than just ps3's.

U forgot cameras.

In no way is the gaming industry bigger than the tv/camera/laptop industry.

so forget it.
I 100% agree with that
Nintendo is all about fun and they do fun childish thing
i.e. 2 screens bad graphics vs PSP Good graphics one screen
but it ssems like people don't understand how much more powerful (spec wize) the PSP is to the DS and the PS3 and Xbox is to the Wii

xythander
06-20-2007, 19:30
Rule #1. Dont believe everything you read. They can lie too just like the next person.


This link is crap.

For sony, the gaming industry is small compared to the other things its in, such as music and movies.

Nintendos approach fun gaming.

Sony, integrative, multimedia. Sony has a hand in everything.

Like punisher said sony has alot more electronics than just ps3's.

U forgot cameras.

In no way is the gaming industry bigger than the tv/camera/laptop industry.

so forget it.


Read the freaking article. They are talking about stocks and the overall worth of the company. Stocks do not lie. If Nintendo is closing in on overall market value of Sony then it's happening. It doesn't make a difference if Sony has it's hand into 5 billion things and Nintendo only focuses on one.

jakncoke
06-20-2007, 19:33
Yeah Ninty never starts out at a loss and there biggest software share is first party, so I believe 100% , They've been around forever and a day and even though they finished 3rd in sales with the Gamecube they still made the most money and now that DS and Wii are a culy religion its not really that hard to believe.

Fedos
06-20-2007, 19:34
This link is crap.

For sony, the gaming industry is small compared to the other things its in, such as music and movies.

Nintendos approach fun gaming.

Sony, integrative, multimedia. Sony has a hand in everything.

Like punisher said sony has alot more electronics than just ps3's.

U forgot cameras.

In no way is the gaming industry bigger than the tv/camera/laptop industry.

so forget it.

I see what you are saying, but I wouldn't say the gaming industry is small to Sony, because it is their most profitable division, at least that was true of the PS1 and 2 eras.

Azure
06-20-2007, 19:35
Fanboys disputing the stock market. Priceless.


I see what you are saying, but I wouldn't say the gaming industry is small to Sony, because it is their most profitable division.

Fedos you just highlighted the issue. Industry small, Sony needs it big. It causes trouble.

SlimDan22
06-20-2007, 19:37
I dont think this is right

because not only does sony in the technology business but they have there own movie company "sony pictures"

and wikipedia had an estimate that nintendo had an income of about 5 billion last year

while sony had about 70 billion

i dont think the wii can make that much of a difference

and the ps3 not doing too good bringing down sonys income

Panda Bear Shenyu
06-20-2007, 19:38
People are snatching up Nintendo Shares like Sharks preying on humans in bloodied water.

As far as long term success goes, it'll have to depend on the continued success of Wii and DS, which is likely. But Sony as a company will naturally have much more stable stocks me thinks.

mikeghtmare
06-20-2007, 19:38
Anyone who know a little bit about stock market should know the trend, people invest in sucky companies that have a sudden burst [in this case because of the Wii], then the bubble goes boom and everybody takes the money out [except the inexperienced or naive investors].
So this doesn't really mean much. It can be up high today, rock bottom tomorrow.

Punisher99
06-20-2007, 19:38
Read the freaking article. They are talking about stocks and the overall worth of the company. Stocks do not lie. If Nintendo is closing in on overall market value of Sony then it's happening. It doesn't make a difference if Sony has it's hand into 5 billion things and Nintendo only focuses on one.


And I still dont believe every single thing I hear or read. If I did that. I'd be a mindless fool.

Soulxxx
06-20-2007, 19:40
Wow that's total BS.

Sony has 64 billion dollars according to Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONY

Nintendo has only 4 - I doubt they were able to multiply their money by 16!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo

Something with this article is definately fishy. And I like how some Wiiboys (I won't state their names) jump on this as if it's true LOL.

Article DEBUNKED!

Fedos
06-20-2007, 19:43
I find it odd how people are suspicious of this article seeing as how it comes from GamesIndustry.biz. I can see if it came from Kotaku or something, or Joystiq, but come on. That site doesn't post articles of that nature.

Panda Bear Shenyu
06-20-2007, 19:45
I find it odd how people are suspicious of this article seeing as how it comes from GamesIndustry.biz. I can see if it came from Kotaku or something, or Joystiq, but come on. That site doesn't post articles of that nature.A lot of people, myself included, don't understand stocks and how market values are calculated, so naturally, many people here will make sensational comments just because the news is against Sony. That's all, you shouldn't pay attention to them.

Fedos
06-20-2007, 19:47
Yeah Panda, I don't understand it either. It's just that I trust the source.

Soulxxx
06-20-2007, 19:50
Wait, stock market??

Ohh I think I know what they mean - they mean that if you, like, wanted to buy the company you'd have to pay this much. I think that's what they meant with "Worth".

Disregard my previous post, it was irrelevant to the subject.

jakncoke
06-20-2007, 19:52
Wow that's total BS.

Sony has 64 billion dollars according to Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SONY

Nintendo has only 4 - I doubt they were able to multiply their money by 16!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo

Something with this article is definately fishy. And I like how some Wiiboys (I won't state their names) jump on this as if it's true LOL.

Article DEBUNKED!

haha @ you for counting Wiki as a good source...you are debunked :DD

woy
06-20-2007, 19:54
I seriously doubt this article.

Diresu
06-20-2007, 19:57
...Who gives a crap? Seriously...

Soulxxx
06-20-2007, 20:05
haha @ you for counting Wiki as a good source...you are debunked :DD

Huh? Wiki is quite good because they uses tons of sources and they state them in every article.

For instance, Sony's revenue was taken from MSN Money: http://moneycentral.msn.com/investor/invsub/results/statemnt.aspx?Symbol=SNE

Nintendo's Revenue doesn't have any source to it but it says

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8b/Green_Arrow_Up_Darker.svg/10px-Green_Arrow_Up_Darker.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Green_Arrow_Up_Darker.svg) USD$ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar)4.5 billion (2006)
Forbes 2000 ranking: 620

I imagine they're talking about Forbes Magazine? In that case there's no place they can link to. I suppose they took those figures from the actual magazine.

Staticneuron
06-20-2007, 20:06
It's true because:
1) Nintendo always makes a profit.
2) Sony, while it's big, has a LOT of overhead in its business. A lot of cost are used up to run the entire corporation.


Both have nothing to do with the performance of their stocks. User perception does. But one thing I really don't grasp is which market are they talking about Nikkei, nasdaq, S&P 500, various other ones or are they all related.

qzak
06-20-2007, 20:10
Folks they're talking about market capitalization - what the total value of stock is worth. The article is not a lie, but on the other hand, the capitalization is not always a great measure of the total value of the company.

Picture all the .coms in 2000. Lots of them were overvalued by a stock feeding frenzy. Fast forward to 2002, and many of them are "worth" less, even though they're doing the same thing (the ones that survived, lol).


"Worth" is a tricky thing to define, as it turns out >:)

dead_zen
06-20-2007, 20:24
Fanboys disputing the stock market. Priceless.



Fedos you just highlighted the issue. Industry small, Sony needs it big. It causes trouble.

Which is why the Wii is probably one of the greatest things to happen to gaming in a long long time in terms of market expansion.

ConteZero
06-20-2007, 20:25
It's all about speculation.
Sony won't fail even if PS3 and PSP lose the war, they have other markets (and _real_ value, like industries, buildings, various goods for various markets and so on).
Nintendo will be dead if Wii and DS are beaten.

mikeghtmare
06-20-2007, 20:31
Straight from Yahoo finance for you guys:

Sony (SNE): 53.42 -- Last trade
Nintendo (NTDOY.PK): 44.70 -- Last trade
Note however that they are comparing only SNE (not the entire Sony which has many branches).
Also, here is a link to CNN Money so that you guys believe it: http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/20/news/international/nintendo_sony.reut/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

Still, everyone knows stock goes up and down, Nintendo is enjoying an uptrend because it is the cool new thing... how long will it last? also, we all know whenever a stock value sky-rockets it's just a matter of time before it plums back down to the ground.
The hard thing is what Sony does which is maintain itself there.

razlebol
06-20-2007, 20:39
It is funny how fanboys are so blinded by what they love that they won't believe anything that could make the loved product look worse than another one.

Saigon
06-20-2007, 20:49
don't know what to say, maybe pokemon and the gameboy did its job...

Hawkeye
06-20-2007, 20:52
As others have said, the big difference is not how much is being sold, but what they're making per sale. If I remember correctly, Sony loses money on every PS3 they sell. Nintendo makes money on every Wii they sell. Sony and Microsoft are relying on other branches of their industry to keep their forays in the video game industry afloat. Of course, they're also making money on the games, controllers, etc. They just lose money for each gaming system itself.

I also believe Nintendo is expanding the gaming industry. Video games are typically aimed at teens and the like, dependents in short. I just find it ironic how both the PS3 and Xbox 360, both of which are generally aimed at kids with little pocketbooks, are more expensive then the Wii. Notice how I say generally, though; they are developing into entertainment systems, slowly but surely. But they pass themselves off as video gaming consoles, which puts the typical family off of it, or so methinks.

The Wii appeals to more people mainly because it is change, it is different. It has this way of drawing in old people, married couples, and other people that would be unlikely to play video games. These people are enlarging the market, and maybe they're also buying shares of Nintendo. It would certainly make sense. IMHO

razlebol
06-20-2007, 20:56
The Wii appeals to more people mainly because it is change, it is different. It has this way of drawing in old people, married couples, and other people that would be unlikely to play video games. These people are enlarging the market, and maybe they're also buying shares of Nintendo. It would certainly make sense. IMHO


I am sure that this is not the case. If the wii was as powerfull as the 360 or ps3 and that it cost about the same thing, I am sure that it would not sell so well.

The real reason is the price of the console. The majority of people choose cheaper

Sephyr
06-20-2007, 20:58
Hmmm. I seriously doubt this. Casino Royale and Spiderman series have surely brought in more money than the Wii has made? The source isn't very reliable either.

ylvis
06-20-2007, 21:09
I seriously doubt this article.


It's the stock market dude. It doesn't lie. People just don't put out some randomly numbers, post them and then lie about them. I've seen this article in lots of big news media.

*Sigh*

The people who question this article is probably the same persons who questioned m-create and NPD some months ago :p

Fedos
06-20-2007, 21:12
Hmmm. I seriously doubt this. Casino Royale and Spiderman series have surely brought in more money than the Wii has made? The source isn't very reliable either.

What's wrong with GamesIndustry.biz? They aren't some backwoods gaming site, and they definitely aren't Kotaku or Joystiq, sites that alot around here put down with rapidity.

Tyrade
06-20-2007, 21:18
there is no way that can be right...how can nintendo..which is just in the gaming business...have market share close to all of Sony Corp if sony is all entertainment.....sony sells TVs,Dvd players, DVD's, Bluray, Bluray players, cd/walkmen, MP3's, Computer Hardware AND Software, Gaming equiptment and games and consoles, and even household items like alarm clocks lol....there is no way that can be right...especially with the sales of the PS2 backing them up...

crouchy
06-20-2007, 21:20
Laughable thread as always. This is market valuation not turnover. Sony have massive overheads in alot of industries and are on a recovery. While Nintendo are on a high in there one sector. Hilarious thread though.

crouchy
06-20-2007, 21:28
Straight from Yahoo finance for you guys:
Sony (SNE): 53.42 -- Last trade


Nintendo (NTDOY.PK): 44.70 -- Last trade
Note however that they are comparing only SNE (not the entire Sony which has many branches).
Also, here is a link to CNN Money so that you guys believe it: http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/20/news/international/nintendo_sony.reut/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote

Still, everyone knows stock goes up and down, Nintendo is enjoying an uptrend because it is the cool new thing... how long will it last? also, we all know whenever a stock value sky-rockets it's just a matter of time before it plums back down to the ground.
The hard thing is what Sony does which is maintain itself there.
And key quote from the article is.



That compares with Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co. Ltd.'s (http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=MC&source=story_quote_link) (Charts (http://money.cnn.com/quote/chart/chart.html?symb=MC&source=story_charts_link)) 6.23 trillion yen and 6.64 trillion yen for Sony - the world's largest and second-largest consumer electronics makers, each having sales more than eight times as big as Nintendo's.
It's basically Nintendo riding the crest of a wave. If there's any signs that the WII is a gimmick or sales even mildly decrease the shares will drop like a bomb to there more natural value.

mikeghtmare
06-20-2007, 21:28
I also believe Nintendo is expanding the gaming industry. Video games are typically aimed at teens and the like, dependents in short. I just find it ironic how both the PS3 and Xbox 360, both of which are generally aimed at kids with little pocketbooks, are more expensive then the Wii. Notice how I say generally, though; they are developing into entertainment systems, slowly but surely. But they pass themselves off as video gaming consoles, which puts the typical family off of it, or so methinks.

The Wii appeals to more people mainly because it is change, it is different. It has this way of drawing in old people, married couples, and other people that would be unlikely to play video games. These people are enlarging the market, and maybe they're also buying shares of Nintendo. It would certainly make sense. IMHO

:confused:
What have you been smoking man, gimme some.
Honestly, Nintendo has always been kid oriented and nothing more; just because they throw in a Resident Evil or GTA to the mix doesn't make them as expanding the gaming industry. The system that always have more diversification is PS; and yes, it has too many FPS at the moment, but if you have been following there are plenty of games in their way that can be played by kids (little big planet is one of them to go no further).
"The Wii appeals to more people"... that's your personal opinion only, I don't know anyone who has a Wii; not even anyone who is planning to get one in the near future for that matter.
Besides, how long are old folks going to be swinging their arms into the air to play tennis?

fofomomo
06-20-2007, 21:30
Holy crap!!! Does anybody actually take the time to read through the thread before replying? I guess not, since if everyone did, they would realise that the same two sides of the story have been going back and forth for this entire thread. Side 1, Sony has alot of branches in their company, this can't be right....... Side 2, It's about the stock market, not actual profits of the companies..... Seriously people, read before you make a post, maybe that's why my post count is lower than many other's on here since I read through and see that what I was going to respond with, has already been posted, so I don't bother replying. It's basically like spamming if you continuously repost what several people have already said.

Fedos
06-20-2007, 21:35
:confused:
What have you been smoking man, gimme some.
Honestly, Nintendo has always been kid oriented and nothing more; just because they throw in a Resident Evil or GTA to the mix doesn't make them as expanding the gaming industry. The system that always have more diversification is PS; and yes, it has too many FPS at the moment, but if you have been following there are plenty of games in their way that can be played by kids (little big planet is one of them to go no further).
"The Wii appeals to more people"... that's your personal opinion only, I don't know anyone who has a Wii; not even anyone who is planning to get one in the near future for that matter.
Besides, how long are old folks going to be swinging their arms into the air to play tennis?

The Wii is basically drawing in a lot of non gamers. Nintendo certainly isn't getting those huge NPD numbers from PS2 owners. They are getting them from people who don't play games. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, but I imagine that they will never stop selling well in Japan. America and to a somewhat lesser extent Europe may begin to taper off at some point though.

ylvis
06-20-2007, 21:40
:confused:
What have you been smoking man, gimme some.
Honestly, Nintendo has always been kid oriented and nothing more; just because they throw in a Resident Evil or GTA to the mix doesn't make them as expanding the gaming industry. The system that always have more diversification is PS; and yes, it has too many FPS at the moment, but if you have been following there are plenty of games in their way that can be played by kids (little big planet is one of them to go no further).
"The Wii appeals to more people"... that's your personal opinion only, I don't know anyone who has a Wii; not even anyone who is planning to get one in the near future for that matter.
Besides, how long are old folks going to be swinging their arms into the air to play tennis?


Argh! Don't come with Nintendo kiddy bull****.

Also, take a look at the sales charts. The Wii is right now crushing the PS3 in terms of sales. Have you seen all the different kind people playing Wii Sports, Wii Play etc. etc.? Have you seen how Nintendo expanded the market with the DS? Take a closer look at the industry before making such a stupid post.

LordNoob
06-20-2007, 21:43
:confused:
What have you been smoking man, gimme some.
Honestly, Nintendo has always been kid oriented and nothing more; just because they throw in a Resident Evil or GTA to the mix doesn't make them as expanding the gaming industry. The system that always have more diversification is PS; and yes, it has too many FPS at the moment, but if you have been following there are plenty of games in their way that can be played by kids (little big planet is one of them to go no further).
"The Wii appeals to more people"... that's your personal opinion only, I don't know anyone who has a Wii; not even anyone who is planning to get one in the near future for that matter.
Besides, how long are old folks going to be swinging their arms into the air to play tennis?

I seriously doubt anymore than a handful of old folks have even heard of a Wii, let alone know that the next generation for videogames has started.

One case of people playing in a retirement home does not constitute a phenomenon.

The Wii is for kid yes, but old folks? Not so much....

immortal
06-20-2007, 21:44
Ha ha ha, Sony=Pwned. Nintendo= IM KING OF THE WORLDDDD

TidusX
06-20-2007, 21:48
Just like the Wii is way too over hyped it seems like the stock is doing the same also which is why it is at such a high value level.

It would have been great to buy the stock a year ago, but now it is just way too overpriced.

Pgsley
06-20-2007, 21:52
They are lucky that people with no knogledge of gaming are buying there wii.

crouchy
06-20-2007, 21:54
there is no way that can be right...how can nintendo..which is just in the gaming business...have market share close to all of Sony Corp if sony is all entertainment.....sony sells TVs,Dvd players, DVD's, Bluray, Bluray players, cd/walkmen, MP3's, Computer Hardware AND Software, Gaming equiptment and games and consoles, and even household items like alarm clocks lol....there is no way that can be right...especially with the sales of the PS2 backing them up...
LOL. It's not turnover it's stock market value. ie. Sonys turnover is 8 times bigger than Nintendos but less profitable.

Ezekiel
06-20-2007, 22:10
I think it's time I invested in some technology stocks. There's money to be made I can't pass up money. :DD

IWAO
06-20-2007, 22:15
Well let them enjoy it,because they're always last in the market after sony & Microsoft,so don't worry guys about it,but Sony will hopefully win soon guys:)

mikeghtmare
06-20-2007, 22:27
Argh! Don't come with Nintendo kiddy bull****.

Also, take a look at the sales charts. The Wii is right now crushing the PS3 in terms of sales. Have you seen all the different kind people playing Wii Sports, Wii Play etc. etc.? Have you seen how Nintendo expanded the market with the DS? Take a closer look at the industry before making such a stupid post.
You should take your own advise and not post stupid posts; that the Wii is selling right now I never questioned and I won't argue against those numbers; that the Wii appeals more people that I argue because I don't see people appealed for it (and no, they are not fanboys of sony); even my wife finds the Wii lame as no-one is going to spend more than one month waving his/her arms into the air. And yes, Nintendo is kid oriented; when over 80% of your games are kiddy oriented (probably most suited for you) it is a kid oriented console. When your ace is Pokemon and you've been exploding it for about a decade, it is a kid oriented.
Again, throwing a game rated Teen or above every once in a while does not change a console from a kid oriented console.
And kid oriented is OK, I don't mind (I like anime, cartoons, kiddy games, ...), the problem is YOUR false statement.

UnReaL
06-20-2007, 22:43
Becomes world's second largest consumer electronics manufacturer

Sony is more than just a Electronics Company. This is not counting Sony's Film Studio, and Music Business. The article is only pinpointing one part of the whole story.

TidusX
06-20-2007, 22:46
Sony is more than just a Electronics Company. This is not counting Sony's Film Studio, and Music Business. The article is only pinpointing one part of the whole story.

Last time I checked there were many more ipods out there than there were DS & Wii systems. Referring back to your previous quote.

Captainnippon
06-20-2007, 23:13
Hiroshi Yamauchi, the OLD Nintendo Kingpin that runs the company for 50 years must be laughing his head off. Since he owns 10% of Nintendo which would gives him a $5 billions worth of Nintendo shares....

I wish he's my FATHER...

ylvis
06-20-2007, 23:55
You should take your own advise and not post stupid posts; that the Wii is selling right now I never questioned and I won't argue against those numbers; that the Wii appeals more people that I argue because I don't see people appealed for it (and no, they are not fanboys of sony); even my wife finds the Wii lame as no-one is going to spend more than one month waving his/her arms into the air. And yes, Nintendo is kid oriented; when over 80% of your games are kiddy oriented (probably most suited for you) it is a kid oriented console. When your ace is Pokemon and you've been exploding it for about a decade, it is a kid oriented.
Again, throwing a game rated Teen or above every once in a while does not change a console from a kid oriented console.
And kid oriented is OK, I don't mind (I like anime, cartoons, kiddy games, ...), the problem is YOUR false statement.


I don't care about your wife. I've heard thousands of people telling stories about how their non-gaming friends, wives, mums, fathers etc. etc. played and loved the Wii. Nintendo is expanding the market. Eat it up. They did it with the DS, and will do it with the Wii. Or wait, I'm actually wrong, 'cause they already did.

And yes, some Nintendo made games does have a kiddy appeal, but Nintendo only represent a merely 10% of all games that has been realesed for the Wii. So there goes your point.

Lastly, the average age for a Wii owner is 24 (according to a PR release by Nintendo in March), it was 21 for the Cube.

surtur
06-20-2007, 23:55
I doubt this, Nintendo has basically nothing out of videogames. Sony has many products that deal with almost every form of technology.
that is why Nintendo is climbing closer.
Sony makes hundreds of different products (electronics), also Movies, Music, and video game developing, everything Sony makes costs money and lots of it in R&D (research and Development) so they do not make huge profits since it gets spent again (part of it) they reinvest in there company) Nintendo spend next to nothing on R&D since almost every product is just a small step up from the previous one look at all the Gameboy systems no huge steps in technology or design since the first one..
home consoles are almost the same recently only spent some R&D on the controller but are also selling at a profit right from launch..
Sony sells at a loss even after putting a few billion into R&D.
Sony can not climb as fast as nintendo can unless all projects are done at the same time sell amazingly well and nothing new is started but then that would be the end of Sony.

alecsuba
06-21-2007, 00:06
The Wii is basically drawing in a lot of non gamers. Nintendo certainly isn't getting those huge NPD numbers from PS2 owners. They are getting them from people who don't play games. It will be interesting to see how long it lasts, but I imagine that they will never stop selling well in Japan. America and to a somewhat lesser extent Europe may begin to taper off at some point though.

I would actually call you out on that. Considering the vast majority of sony consoles sold to that casual gamer base. Wii is at the price range the casuals like pretty much right off the bat. they don't need to wait a few years to jump on board.

everyone is buying into the wii that can look beyond foolish bias. every system offers unique things and all have their enjoyable content. The wii just gets alot of crap from Gamers because it doesn't have sony on the name.

PS2 got just as much shovelware in its lifetime.

Hawkeye
06-21-2007, 00:22
The fact of the matter mikeghtmare, is that you haven't made a post in this topic yet that has not insulted or put down someone. The best way to destroy your own argument is to try and destroy someone else's. Bringing up points and debunking someone else's points with facts is perfectly fine, but debunking someone else's points by calling them stupid just ruins your own image.

Alright, now pertaining to the actual debate. Looks like I've been beat to the punch again by a couple of people. Certainly the Wii targets gamers, just like any other video game console. It can also be ascertained that both the PS3 and Xbox 360 destroy this little machine as far as horsepower is concerned.

Both Sony and Microsoft are large corporations that make tons and tons of other stuff in addition to video game systems. Nintendo's sole manufacture is actually that of video games and systems. In short, Microsoft and Sony can afford to take a loss to drive the competition out of business as far as the world of video games goes. They also have sufficient capital to make extreme advances in technology, graphics, etc. Nintendo is not necessarily capable of this. As a result they must branch out and try to bring non-gamers into the market. That is their strategy, I myself believe it is working, others may beg to differ.

But what has been documented is that Nintendo is actively seeking non-gamers. Simply put, they cannot compete with Sony and Microsoft in a straight up fight, they're out-numbered and out-gunned; instead they use their creativity as a form of guerrilla warfare. I applaud their brilliance, even if I do not currently own a Wii or DS.

coffeerox
06-21-2007, 00:54
yeah, it's been said only by 1% of the posters here, but what's really being looked at is the net value of a company, not how much a company actually brings in.

Apart from the 1% that actually got it, some of the rest see that something is not right, and that is how could Nintendo make more than Sony who has stakes into other areas of industry. Fact is, they're not. Sony brings in so much money from so many areas that they're involved in and Nintendo has what, DS and Wii? That's nowhere near even just their movie division.

I remember arguing this point (he brought market cap up) and I beat the person I argued with just common sense. There's no way Nintendo can bring in more revenue than a company like Sony or MS who has many many streams of income rather than just 2. Don't let the numbers being so close fool you.

TH3JOK3R003
06-21-2007, 00:55
Sony is more than games, Sony is 10x bigger company than nintendo

Galls
06-21-2007, 01:38
:lol: Nintento earning as much as Sony :lol:
I love how the word censor removes the word **** from Matsus.h.i.t.a.

EDIT:
You gotta get your facts straight. MS has lost millions with its Xbox and 360. They have YET to recover money lost from Xbox 1.

Words cant describe the effect that false information has had on my faith in humanity.

MS has actually lost billions on the xbox and has made that loss back many times over on their software side of the business.

Fedos
06-21-2007, 01:52
I would actually call you out on that. Considering the vast majority of sony consoles sold to that casual gamer base. Wii is at the price range the casuals like pretty much right off the bat. they don't need to wait a few years to jump on board.

everyone is buying into the wii that can look beyond foolish bias. every system offers unique things and all have their enjoyable content. The wii just gets alot of crap from Gamers because it doesn't have sony on the name.

PS2 got just as much shovelware in its lifetime.

Well, you are perhaps right. I always believed that Sony was going to eventually win the generation, and I still believe that to a degree, I just thought they were going to lose marketshare and they wouldn't win by the overwhelming figures of the last two gens. But the Wii is impressing a lot of people, even me. I gotta say though, I recently checked out the very first few episodes of the Bonus Round on Gametrailers and they had Michael Patchter on there just before the PS3 launch, and he predicted exactly what has happened thus far, mainly that the Wii would go on to sell better than the 360 and PS3, that Microsoft would be in the middle, and that Sony would sell the least consoles, but he said that this would last only until the demand for the Wii tapers off a bit, and when Sony and Microsoft get their act together and push out triple A quality software. So far he's been right, it'll be interesting to see as the next gen war unfolds how right he was.

THEBLAKWALSTREET
06-21-2007, 02:21
Nintendo will always have a special place with me, Zelda Ocarina of Time was the best game over no questions, OMG i lovedd that game... and they had a bunch of other good games on N64, but they just keep rehashing the same games, (Mario, Zelda) they need to come up with great games other than that. (I dont see how this is relevent to the conversation it just came out)

TheTokenBlackGuy
06-21-2007, 02:35
It is funny how fanboys are so blinded by what they love that they won\'t believe anything that could make the loved product look worse than another one.

Isn\'t it hilarious. Why can\'t they just give Nintendo credit? Nintendo is mopping up in the gaming industry right now. It\'s not a bad thing, I\'d rather see Nintendo on top than Microsoft. Nintendo will always have a place in my heart because of the regular Nintendo and Zelda, two of the best things to EVER hit the gaming industry.

I hate fanboys.

Bligmerk
06-21-2007, 04:17
This article is about what Japanese analysts were saying about Nintendo in 2004. The source is one that has been referenced many times lately about their analysis of Sony's situation. With their track record, it is time to buy a lot of Sony stock.


Nintendo in Crisis: 'There is no way we are going to win': Software-only Exit Plan Hint From Japan
A storm rages as Nintendo firefights disastrous Japanese reports.
10 Feb 2004

Nintendo has been rocked this morning by an analytical article in respected Japanese daily, The Nihon Keizai Shimbun, in which a senior Nintendo source is quoted as saying that the GameCube cannot compete in today's market. Compounding this statement, the anonymous source goes on to state that Nintendo may well move to a software-only business model.

To quote the Nihon Keizai Shimbun, "There is no way we are going to win competing in the same arena as electronics and computer makers," a senior Nintendo official said. "Our best option is to build on our software development abilities."

The article concludes, "So as the gaming market shrinks, Nintendo has declined to go face to face with Sony, which is taking its game machines into the realm of digital appliances, and will instead seek to survive by concentrating on the market for children". This is perhaps the most damning report on any of the three hardware manufacturers seen to date.

Nintendo was quick to respond this morning, releasing the following damage-limitation focused statement:

"Contrary to what has been reported in one Japanese publication, Nintendo is staying in the console hardware business and still plans to launch our next home console in the same timeframe as our competitors. In addition, we are working on a number of complementary technical advances that we believe may significantly enhance the gaming experience. We also continue to look for exciting ways to extend the value of the GCN, and will share those ideas with you in the coming months. Specific details about other accessories or systems and their functionalities haven't yet been made public. However, we will make further information about our next console available in the near future, and we look forward to further demonstrating our record of breakthrough innovation in video game play."

However, some analysts have perceived this statement to be as dangerous as the initial Japanese report. Nintendo seems to be building a peripheral-driven strategy in the gap between the next generation roll-out, likely to be in late 2005. As peripheral-reliant gaming is a relatively untested market, Nintendo would be essentially required to reinvent something as successful as the dance mat again and again, perhaps to the detriment of its core developmental focus.
http://www.spong.com/article/6172?cb=347