Ok guys the 360 is having the worst day EVER where the fanboys? [Archive]

LordNoob

07-13-2007, 18:46

http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/07/13/microsoft-admit-116-million-xbox-360s-have-defect-but-no-global-recall/

http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60

http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Microsoft_Surprisingly_Admits_That_ALL_Xbox_3 60s_Are_Defective_07002.html

http://www.crn.com.au/story.aspx?CIID=85600&src=site-marq original report

You can read the link to get an idea of how much trouble MS is in. Someone is going to sue the living hell out of them.

BlitzXor

07-13-2007, 18:49

is it true? is it really true?

Well, it makes sense... people who have had the most RRoD failures are in warmer climates, people in my area haven't really had problems at all. Personally, I don't think MS really needs to do a recall because people in colder areas aren't really having problems.

garyfitz

07-13-2007, 18:49

If you think Microsoft will be affected by some tiny legal proceedings.... think again.

If I may also direct your attention, http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=84866

Doc Evils

07-13-2007, 18:58

Holy living mother of Zeus jesus ****ing hell.

11.6 MILLION DEFECTIVE UNITS? WTF?

Man, I don't know what to say.

KraZe

07-13-2007, 19:00

http://www.product-reviews.net/2007/07/13/microsoft-admit-116-million-xbox-360s-have-defect-but-no-global-recall/

http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60

You can read the link to get an idea of how much trouble MS is in. Someone is going to sue the living hell out of them.
i posted this in 360 section last night.. and i think it got locked or something cause its gone

THEBLAKWALSTREET

07-13-2007, 19:00

lol wow ms need to learn how to make products that dont blow up

rand0m

07-13-2007, 19:02

assuming the money they make off each system is quite a bit smaller than the actual cost of each system ... isn't microsoft going to loose alot of money?

Majic Morgan

07-13-2007, 19:08

We still dont know if there dropping the price, and if they did its because there dropping it because thats what that piece of **** box is worth, maybe even less, and they cant expect people to keeping buying Xboxes for the current price and having them break and making them buy another one. Eventually people are going to wise up and dumb their garbage and buy a PS3.

Metal Militia

07-13-2007, 19:10

assuming the money they make off each system is quite a bit smaller than the actual cost of each system ... isn't microsoft going to loose alot of money?

Hehe, you're a little late. MS already lost a sh*t load of money on the first Xbox and they're doing it again now with the 360. It won't bother them much though, they have very deep pockets. ;)

zsec

07-13-2007, 19:14

Somebody already did sue for 5 million. (doesn't an XBOX 360 only cost $400?)

Anyway, MS will probably settle it out of course. Honestly, they probably grind up 2.5 mill and roll it into 2.5 mill dollars worth of cigars and smoke them each day.

TGO

07-13-2007, 19:15

11.6 million! :shock:
Sorry guys, but now you heard it from MS's mouth, your 360 is WILL RROD
that terrible

scsa

07-13-2007, 19:17

A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

--The Narrator, "Fight Club"

It was good that folding@home stayed away cause it will rrod all the 360's cause of 100% cpu usage

LordNoob

07-13-2007, 19:19

If you think Microsoft will be affected by some tiny legal proceedings.... think again.

If I may also direct your attention, http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=84866

This has no relevance to any legal proceeding. It is a confession to 100% of all UNITS sold being defective. No price cut rumor on all 3 SKUs outweighs this.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 19:19

"Microsoft admit 11.6 million Xbox 360’s have defect, but no global recall"

Wow are you kidding me? Their whole damn install base? lol. Yikes. I guess that $1 billion dollar bandaid ain't sticking eh?

And here we hear them cutting the price big time by a $100? I don't think so if this news is true.

Aift

07-13-2007, 19:21

Microsoft is actually beginning the process of redemption with the gamers. They are dropping all the SKU prices down $100.00, meaning you can get a Core for $200.00! Now all that's left is a Global Recall as soon as those 65nm processors come out. While this is unacceptable, they have to start somewhere and this is a good start... but I have been wondering, if all 360's are defective... those morons who go buy 360's with the new price... aren't they getting a defective console? Fortunately my launch Core console is running smooth, especially with its new found 120GB HDD.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 19:22

Microsoft is actually beginning the process of redemption with the gamers. They are dropping all the SKU prices down $100.00, meaning you can get a Core for $200.00! Now all that's left is a Global Recall as soon as those 65nm processors come out.

That is just a rumor and I can't see them doing that. I mean come on, law suits could still happen now that they admit that their whole install base is defective. What could is a price drop going to do?

Racoon

07-13-2007, 19:24

i posted this in 360 section last night.. and i think it got locked or something cause its gone

Aqua strikes again.

Global recall is in order if all units are flawed. Standard procedure for any other product. :|

Einhander

07-13-2007, 19:25

What's killing me is the comments on the 2nd site saying people are morons because they keep their 360 in an inclosed area and that's why it's failing.

TurdFergueson2

07-13-2007, 19:25

when IGN posts this I'll believe it. Otherwise it's just a bogus blog created to start mess. I mean 11 million recalls? how many have been sold? BS if you ask me, but whatever makes you sleep better at night.

Panda Bear Shenyu

07-13-2007, 19:26

i posted this in 360 section last night.. and i think it got locked or something cause its goneYeah, Aquanox basically locks any negative 360 news in that section now. Don't post negative 360 stuff there

Anyhow, hopefully there'll be a couple of lawsuits.

Blu-Ray

07-13-2007, 19:32

11.6 MILLION DEFECTIVE UNITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG

I am near speechless right now.

YoungMullah88

07-13-2007, 19:39

dc writer

07-13-2007, 19:50

I would not be able to stand my console breaking on me once in the first few months. Listen folks, you get what you pay for... ps3 IS the ultimate system this gen.

Wearevenom1

07-13-2007, 19:54

If you think Microsoft will be affected by some tiny legal proceedings.... think again.

If I may also direct your attention, http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=84866

Um tiny legal proceedings or 11.6 million freaking lawsuits or one huge class action.

What Sony did was dodgy but this is borderline illegal.

ddaryl

07-13-2007, 19:57

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/microsofts-xbox-exec-sold-stock/story.aspx?guid=%7B5D32C38B%2D6B24%2D4650%2DB9EA%2 D235C19486C38%7D

KraZe

07-13-2007, 19:57

Meh in canada theres no real price differnce between 360 n PS3. theres about 50 bucks. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
THis is the end.... E3 Microsoft announces no new 08 games, Microsoft Admits all 11.6 Million...

Uroboric Forms

07-13-2007, 19:58

Fortunately my launch Core console is running smooth, especially with its new found 120GB HDD.

Hope you didn't just jinx yourself.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 20:03

No we wait for M$ PR to come out and try to put a good spin on all of this. Now they are selling parts of stock, ouch.

Crazy Phat

07-13-2007, 20:14

Sony need to take this to there advantage. If all 360s are buggy or faulty, then people will not want to buy the 360 because of its unreliability thus waisting there money and sales for 360 are dropping. Then if all (I mean no more) 60GB get sold, Sony can introduce a new $400 80GB PS3 with rumble controllers and no games with a HDMI cable included. People would chose a PS3 over a 360 for Christmas because of the reliable hardware, more space, and more crap inside(and maybe Blu-Ray).

With a price of $400, a 360 price cut wouldn't matter as the PS3 would only be a $100 more.

Hedrush

07-13-2007, 20:21

For defective hardware a recall is standard practice. Sony had to do it with there laptop batteries. Shame on ms if this does not happen.

skulpt

07-13-2007, 20:22

I don't get how some people are fine with this. I don't care if they offer a 50 year warranty. People don't want things to break, have to ship it out, wait at least a few weeks, have it shipped back. No one wants to do that even if it's free.

This isn't about whether MS can afford this financially or not. It's about new consumers losing confidence in a product. No one wants to buy something that has a known defect. No one wants to support a company that willingly sells a product that is defective, and just throws a warranty at it.

The only good thing to do MS is to have a global recall. It's not fair to the consumer to have a ticking timebomb that MS knows about.

Yeah. I'm going to go to a store and buy a stereo that has a known defect that has been known to make the system crap out. Oh, but there is a 3 year warranty. WoW! Duh.....

If this is true, MS has a huge task of changing their image. Yes MS can afford the 1.15B pricetag. But can they afford the tarnished image as a company that sold 11M consoles, found a flaw in ALL of them, and didn't give those loyal consumers a replacement before it crapped out? And let's be honest. MS knew about this problem at least 6 months ago. Probably more like a year ago. I mean idiot sites were reporting this already. Was MS living under a rock?

Brian

skarekrow

07-13-2007, 20:26

Im certainly glad I invested in the PS3 this generation. This is disgruntling and low even for MS .
So basically what this article and MS's own words tells us is that when arguing with fanboys over the current situation, we should no longer refer to the defect rate being 60% but instead 100%... ouch.

DOGG

07-13-2007, 20:30

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

lowbee

07-13-2007, 20:34

so this is a typical MS product....send out a buggy POS and try to patch it up later.

skarekrow

07-13-2007, 20:35

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

:lol: wait, wait... Aren't you the same guy that only appears when Sony's taking damage? :lol:

You're one of a kind sir, one of a kind.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 20:36

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

No different then you guys.

Soviet635

07-13-2007, 20:39

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

They F'ing deserve it, and you know it.

Don't act like we do this just for the hell of it.

P209

07-13-2007, 20:42

Are they(MS&Sony) competing on who can F'up the most? good lord have mercy!!!

024

07-13-2007, 20:43

As a gamer in general I don't like to see this.

I don't care if it were Sony, Nintedo, MS or anyone, when you admit to have 11.7 million defective consoles out there and NOT have a product recall and hide behind a 3 year warranty instead is sad.

This is unacceptable and i really hope MS gets its ass chewed out until they do the right thing.

Fekz

07-13-2007, 20:53

Playstation users simply don't care. It's a more casual userbase that just wants to enjoy its games, not go around beating its chest looking to prove it can compete.

360 users have adapted Microsoft's hardline approach to inserting itself into the industry, attempting to derail and make as much noise as possible, masquerading the fact that any other company would've been considered to be an epic failure with all the issues and lack of market penetration they've suffered.

13th_Shell

07-13-2007, 20:53

They F'ing deserve it, and you know it.

I have to agree here. That 11.6 million number is a bit hard to believe, but I -do- believe that MSFT has created a sub-par product. I constantly hear about my friends' 360s messing up. And not just the RRoD's either. Just recently a friend of mine had to replace his console because the USB in the back crapped out. Others have had problems with games freezing at least once a session or getting that "Disk must be dirty" message.

They released a faulty peice of equipment. You'd have to be blind not to see it. I'm honestly waiting for the day mine goes because I know it'll happen. That's why I bought the extended warranty.

360 is very enjoyable. When it works. They messed up the hardware big time though. So, in closing, MSFT definitely deserve the mud we, the consumers, throw at them. Nobody likes to deal with defective stuff.

Fekz

07-13-2007, 20:59

I have to agree here. That 11.6 million number is a bit hard to believe, but I -do- believe that MSFT has created a sub-par product. I constantly hear about my friends' 360s messing up. And not just the RRoD's either. Just recently a friend of mine had to replace his console because the USB in the back crapped out. Others have had problems with games freezing at least once a session or getting that "Disk must be dirty" message.

They released a faulty peice of equipment. You'd have to be blind not to see it. I'm honestly waiting for the day mine goes because I know it'll happen. That's why I bought the extended warranty.

360 is very enjoyable. When it works. They messed up the hardware big time though. So, in closing, MSFT definitely deserve the mud we, the consumers, throw at them. Nobody likes to deal with defective stuff.

Microsoft deserves whatever comes it's way this generation. I don't care who you are, screwing out 11.6 million consumers because you want to get the 1up on Sony (and still get owned by Nintendo) is ridiculous and a downright scam. Fans can defend Microsoft all they want, I'm calling them like I see them.

If you think Microsoft will be affected by some tiny legal proceedings.... think again.

If I may also direct your attention, http://ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=84866

Does that make you all warm and fuzzy inside? Does that make you want to slap high five with Bill Gates and tell him "go get em tiger!"? I don't understand. You're excited about the fact that you believe Microsoft won't be affected by legal proceedings, knowing you won't see a dime. That's sad yo, you should at least fill out a resume in Redmond if you're going to launch this sort of rhetoric around the forums.

13th_Shell

07-13-2007, 21:05

Microsoft deserves whatever comes it's way this generation. I don't care who you are, screwing out 11.6 million consumers because you want to get the 1up on Sony (and still get owned by Nintendo) is ridiculous and a downright scam. Fans can defend Microsoft all they want, I'm calling them like I see them.

I'm going by what I see too. And I'm not talking about the boards. I'm talking about my friends and family. I know a bunch of people with 360s and I believe all of them have experienced problems including myself. Well, there's one guy I know who hasn't had a problem but I'm rather sure he's only turned it on a couple times.

How about we trade this 3 year warranty for a one year warranty, a recall and a product that's reliable. Is that too much to ask?

TGO

07-13-2007, 21:10

:lol: wait, wait... Aren't you the same guy that only appears when Sony's taking damage? :lol:

You're one of a kind sir, one of a kind.

Yeah, he use to be a Sony fanboy but defected( if ya wanna call it that ), I think I remember he spent the just over the price of the PS3 on his 360+accessories+live
And his reasons was because the PS3 was out of his price range :rolleyes:
I did enjoy some of his threads,but it's best just to ignore him now

christianpachon

07-13-2007, 21:12

I feel sorry for all the people that bought it because of the price they deserve some respect, and everyone who had problem with the 360 should be reward fixing the problem or with a new console

StruggleWithin

07-13-2007, 21:12

I do like how fast 360 got their E3 content up..suprised sony didn't do the same as fast..but I don't know if they are having the worst day ever..I'd figured that would have been the day they admitted the RoD existed..

FatalBeliever

07-13-2007, 21:13

As much as I love micosofts failure, this shouldn't be in E3 News.

Fekz

07-13-2007, 21:16

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

Wait. We're not supposed to want to sling mud at Microsoft for screwing over consumers? I don't give a DAMN who it is doing the screwing, they're wrong. Obviously you do.

P209

07-13-2007, 21:17

hmm this isn't over at NeoGaf yet interesting

Blu-Ray

07-13-2007, 21:18

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

Nope, they slung mud at themselves.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 21:19

hmm this isn't over at NeoGaf yet interesting

Well who knows if this is even true yet, *shrug

ONQ

07-13-2007, 21:22

now I feel bad for them

but oh well they rich *********!

jonlps3

07-13-2007, 21:24

I love what some Xbot fanboy said about their 360s:

retaded fan boys
written by just me (http://www.fastsilicon.com/), July 13, 2007
IF the story is true, then at least micosoft has the balls to come out and say "oops, sorry" and as for a recall, all of them are still over warranty. if yours is broke, send it to microsoft, if it's not broke...stfu.

the xbox1 was awesome hardware, xbox360 not so much, but sony had been no better, PS2 was crap and they never came out and said they screwed up, and PS3 (http://www.fastsilicon.com/#) takes the cake for heat issues.And he has the balls to say the PS3 has heat issues. hahaha... wtf is he talking about? The PS3 has never been more solid of a console then I have ever seen.

Two4DaMoney

07-13-2007, 21:34

ahhh!:lol:

This thread is very entertaining.

----
Just so I have something on topic, can they be sued despite the 3 year warranty?

PlayStation Fascination

07-13-2007, 21:38

i posted this in 360 section last night.. and i think it got locked or something cause its gone

When I went to bed around 5:30 a.m. there was no flaming. The first thread regarding 360 supposedly having a 100% defect rate was shut down as well.

I ask the mods politely why the article about the 100% failure rate with multiple sources gets shut down twice yet a 360 modding thread stays open?

Blu-Ray

07-13-2007, 21:41

I love what some Xbot fanboy said about their 360s:
And he has the balls to say the PS3 has heat issues. hahaha... wtf is he talking about? The PS3 has never been more solid of a console then I have ever seen.

retaded fan boys
written by just me (http://www.fastsilicon.com/), July 13, 2007
IF the story is true, then at least micosoft has the balls to come out and say "oops, sorry" and as for a recall, all of them are still over warranty. if yours is broke, send it to microsoft, if it's not broke...stfu.

the xbox1 was awesome hardware, xbox360 not so much, but sony had been no better, PS2 was crap and they never came out and said they screwed up, and PS3 (http://www.fastsilicon.com/#) takes the cake for heat issues.

PS2 was crap? :| Then explain to me how it's still outselling the Xbox 360.

PS3 takes the cake for heat issues? :| What?

Wow, It made me mad just looking at this comment. :|

LordNoob

07-13-2007, 21:45

N4G just caught wind of this. Prepare for the inevitable storm.

fis

07-13-2007, 21:48

MS don't need to spin their fans will do it- sad really because it does not matter who makes something; if is screwed it should be fix/replaced free of charge to start with. The fact it has taken...

Blu-Ray

07-13-2007, 21:48

Microsoft should be able to rebound from this. It's not impossible, especially for them.

skarekrow

07-13-2007, 21:49

Yeah, he use to be a Sony fanboy but defected( if ya wanna call it that ), I think I remember he spent the just over the price of the PS3 on his 360+accessories+live
And his reasons was because the PS3 was out of his price range :rolleyes:
I did enjoy some of his threads,but it's best just to ignore him now

I recall that very well. It was sad to see him go because he was one of my more respected members on this board. He bought a 360 and he went from being a level headed gamer (for the most part) to a rather bias sony basher... all because he purchased a particular system. :no

360Spider

07-13-2007, 21:53

"

If you thought that Sony was the only console manufacturer having a really bad day, guess again. After many months of public complaints and outcries, Microsoft (http://www.fastsilicon.com/#) has publically admitted that *ALL* (as in every single one ever sold)"

what happened with sony today?

Althora

07-13-2007, 21:55

You know what's funny...patheic MS fanboys trying to make the best of the situation by claiming that MS has the guys to admit that all 360's are defective.

*News Flash* 360 has been out for how long now? I am sure MS has known about this issue for a while and yet they *continued* selling a defective product. This company doesn't deserve any praise for their dirty business practices. Go on fanboys, cry your little heart out for forking over $$$ for a broken system.

fis

07-13-2007, 22:03

Looks like MS was/is going to be under investigations by EU due to the higher than normal Xbox 360 failure rates. And we know that the EU and MS do not get along :rolleyes:

The EU were also preparing to investigate the Xbox 360 failure rate, and a couple of consumers in the USA have prepared private lawsuits. Legal action would mean Microsoft would have to reveal the official failure rate for the Xbox 360 so extending the warranty was a pre-emptive measure to avoid such action and maintain loyalty of customers.

Link (http://www.playthree.net/2007/07/microsoft-admit-xbox-360-defects-now.html)

It also looks like the reliability of the Xbox 360 means that some retails will not stock it.

Marks & Spencers have taken the decision to not stock the Xbox 360 because of its 'poor reliability.'

LINK (http://www.playthree.net/2007/07/marks-and-spencers-refuses-to-stock.html)

LordNoob

07-13-2007, 22:03

To be fair, defective technically by definition, means the 360 has to fail first.

hmm this isn't over at NeoGaf yet interesting

Its over at NeoGAF. Whoever posted it, used some blog instead of the actual site where the information originated. So, that thread probably isn't current anymore. (Not on 1st pg)

TGO

07-13-2007, 22:03

I recall that very well. It was sad to see him go because he was one of my more respected members on this board. He bought a 360 and he went from being a level headed gamer (for the most part) to a rather bias sony basher... all because he purchased a particular system. :no

Yeah,*sigh*
I hate it when they do that, but still who cares?
their lost, not ours
I'm just a bit annoyed that they can't see how bad this is for them, & they're blindly ignoring it

skarekrow

07-13-2007, 22:18

Yeah,*sigh*
I hate it when they do that, but still who cares?
their lost, not ours
I'm just a bit annoyed that they can't see how bad this is for them, & they're blindly ignoring it

I agree 100%.
I dont dislike the 360 entirely (the position has been filled by the wii). This certainly says alot about how appreciative Ms is of their customers. If they know the defect rate is %100 something should be done about it instead of the consumer have to play catch with MS just to play their games.
If one spends $400 + for their product, it shouldnt have to spend most of it's time in the mail. The tragedy is that this has been known about by MS for over a year and never acknowledged it.

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 22:22

"Marks & Spencers have taken the decision to not stock the Xbox 360 because of its 'poor reliability.'"

Thats not good news, but how much does this store sell?

fis

07-13-2007, 22:34

"Marks & Spencers have taken the decision to not stock the Xbox 360 because of its 'poor reliability.'"

Thats not good news, but how much does this store sell?

Its not that; come Christmas it will have PSP slimline, PS3, Wii and DS in stock and no Xbox 360. So people who are looking for there technology at M & S will not see Xbox 360. And remember its the casual gamers that will go there not hardcore, precisely the market MS needs now.

EDIT: Small share of technology market but M&S a trusted brand

LordNoob

07-13-2007, 22:36

AJJets107

07-13-2007, 22:38

Microsoft should be able to rebound from this. It's not impossible, especially for them.

It's possible to rebound from this but it will take a lot of hard work.

360Spider

07-13-2007, 22:40

Ok...I just told my friend about this. And guess what he said?

"So what? The 360 is still raping the PS3 from the back". LMAO.......he's going to buy a 360 later this year. And all he could say is that? He always says "The PS3 is trtash cuz it has NO games out."

anjiru0009

07-13-2007, 22:40

I know from personal experience with the original xbox the Msoft makes faulty hardware I hope this makes it to the large media gamers need to understand that faulty hardware shouldn't be supported it will only fuel them to make another piss poor console.

PlayStation Fascination

07-13-2007, 22:42

Wait I just looked at the date of the original article. July 9th. Wtf.... it seems like the editor of that AU site spun that announcement. Lmfao. Well guess the bad press stops here. Close thread please.

Great. Lol. I just made an appeal for threads like this to stay open as long as they remain troll and flame free.

I still don't see why a thread like this should be closed. This news is all over the internet now. I don't see why it can't be discussed.

Zetsumei

07-13-2007, 22:48

Yeah, Aquanox basically locks any negative 360 news in that section now. Don't post negative 360 stuff there

Anyhow, hopefully there'll be a couple of lawsuits.

Then why do we even bother to have a xbox section if we cant post on it. I mean if it's bad or not, it's related to the xbox section, and should be on that section... :suspect:

fis

07-13-2007, 22:50

Only found article about Marks and Spencer because trying to find where the 11.6 million faulty units come from, still haven't. If www.playthree.net is to be believed if MS recall 10 million units the cost is more than double!

however if all 10 million Xbox 360 consoles need to be replaced this could actually leave Microsoft with a repair bill that is nearer to $2-4billion dollars.

Now that must be worrying if you are hoping to make money next financial year.

EDIT: And bad for the consumer. If it was a car, they wouldn't be allowed to sell it!

AJJets107

07-13-2007, 23:15

Beodude123

07-13-2007, 23:19

Wow.... That was big. I didn't think they would ever say anything about the faults, much less say that all are bad.

Still, with a 100% fault rate, and not doing a recall? That's pretty bad. Aren't there rules in place for things like that? Or is it just up to the company?

TurdFergueson2

07-13-2007, 23:46

so this is a typical MS product....send out a buggy POS and try to patch it up later.

Where is Sony on patch 1.8xxx by now? and it still doesnt do everything it needs to. They both suck right now. But still show me a reputable source that says this M$ thing is true. I didnt believe the 100 dollar price drop until i saw it in the paper today. Never will they come out and say that we made a bad product and all of you at one time should return your consoles. This would have been on the local news or something.

Doc Evils

07-13-2007, 23:55

Stoffinator

07-13-2007, 23:59

ShakaDaBing

07-14-2007, 00:00

Time for a one liner!!! Thanks MS for justifying Sony fans world wide!!!

skarekrow

07-14-2007, 00:14

Time for a one liner!!! Thanks MS for justifying Sony fans world wide!!!

:lol:
I had my own justifications for purchasing a PS3 and at that time, it had nothing to do with the failure rate... ive just been procrastinating on buying a 360 until it had more than one game I was interested in (which is just around the bend). This is just the type of news thats going to prevent me from buying a 360 in the future unfortunately.
I was really looking forward to playing gears all the way through and Bio-Shock... but apparently, im going to be able to do that anyway.
Seeing as how I can use my PS3 controller on my laptop, ill just buy the games for the pc and im set. From what I understand Alan Wakes heading to PC as well. Looks like im pretty much set.
So I think it should be more : "Thanks Ms for saving me $400+ and alot of time!"

Carl

07-14-2007, 00:16

I can only think of one word to say to this. "WOW"

****ING WOW!

And we thought SONY had been having a bad day.Jeesh! Bad. Bad. Bad.

deded

07-14-2007, 00:19

Seig

07-14-2007, 00:24

I'm sort of confused since they found the problem and every 360 they've sold to retailers so far has it... does that mean they fixed the defect with the 2nd fan they add inside when they fix broken ones?

DOGG

07-14-2007, 00:25

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

Stoffinator

07-14-2007, 00:29

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

Yeah it is, a console with this number of fail rate is pitiful.

Carl

07-14-2007, 00:32

Its not that; come Christmas it will have PSP slimline, PS3, Wii and DS in stock and no Xbox 360. So people who are looking for there technology at M & S will not see Xbox 360. And remember its the casual gamers that will go there not hardcore, precisely the market MS needs now.

EDIT: Small share of technology market but M&S a trusted brand

Great...But who goes to marks and sparks to buy technology anyway? lol

Doc Evils

07-14-2007, 00:36

Great...But who goes to marks and sparks to buy technology anyway? lol

The Posh old lady that's going to buy her nephew/son a console for Xmas. ;)

Carl

07-14-2007, 00:39

Lol yeah i guess. Not really the type of shop you go to with the intention of buying a games console though!

Fekz

07-14-2007, 00:41

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

http://www.microsoft.com/careers/

This would be a great reference point if you're going to keep this up. I don't know about you, but I'd feel like I might as well be compensated for whining in defense of a company, or pseudo set of ideals I've created to justify such posts.

Arsenal4Ever

07-14-2007, 00:43

HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH, sorry but all those links are just hilariously funny, MS has got alot of work to do, i knew that releasing the 360 in 2005 would make them pay.

Patience is a virtue

PlayStation Fascination

07-14-2007, 00:47

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

I believe there are more negative PS3 threads running at the moment. News is news. I haven't seen a disclaimer that only positive 360 news is allowed.

Bitbydeath

07-14-2007, 00:47

Then why do we even bother to have a xbox section if we cant post on it. I mean if it's bad or not, it's related to the xbox section, and should be on that section... :suspect:

They take their gaming a lot more serious over there and prefer to live in a dream world where happy smiling bunnys jump to the beat of the halo theme, money grows from trees and the Xbox 360 is known as the best and sturdiest piece of electronics to ever hit this MS green earth

Beodude123

07-14-2007, 00:48

This report may well be accurate, but have any of you actually checked the links? They all refer to the same report from one site, which doesn't use any direct quotes to back up this statement or have any reference for where it came from. The rest of the report seems factual, but the statement that MS admitted to total 360 failure on all 11.4 Million systems is not, from what I can see.

I too noticed they all pretty much said the same thing, and since they are all based on the same source.... Who knows. Maybe this is fake news, but could very well make Microsoft produce a statement. It also seemed rather odd that a company would say that every console made is faulty, and not do a recall.

Tedakin

07-14-2007, 00:53

LordNoob

07-14-2007, 00:54

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

...meanwhile on the Starship Xenonprise

http://www.animationalley.com/images/prints/mpa/mpa_trek1.jpg

All FUD agents to Battlestations! Ship is on Red Alert Damage Control Mode! A Home battlecruiser supporting Blu-Ray is in the vicinity!

Engineering: We have a Red Ring pulse in the Plasma core reactor. <_<

Scottie: Damnit Jim, I thought I told you to throw money at it!

Jim: Got it. *Plans out billion dollar solution*

Spock: http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60 OH SHI-

All jokes aside, with all the fuss about the PS3 getting rid of the 60GB, I found it hilarious nobody even reported this rumor. Which of course is odd, since any and every PS3 rumor is reported, worshipped, and confirmed. BTW, I already asked for this thread to be closed, as the article apparently spun the july 9th story.

PlayStation Fascination

07-14-2007, 00:59

That's crazy. Extending the warranty will keep them from getting sued though. Doing a recall will be suicide, and though all 360s have the flaw, not all are breaking. Some might not ever break. One things for sure though, the next Xbox will be bulletproof after this.

Maybe but Xbox launched with the Thompson drive with had a huge defect rate. MS resolved the problem quickly. When Xbox launched in Japan consoles were scratching discs. MS tried blaming Japanese consumers but quickly did an about face and resolved that problem as well.

With the 360 being their second console, I find it shocking that it has taken this long for MS to get a handle on the problem. I thought the 360 was going to be bulletproof.

Doc Evils

07-14-2007, 01:05

...meanwhile on the Starship Xenonprise

http://www.animationalley.com/images/prints/mpa/mpa_trek1.jpg

All FUD agents to Battlestations! Ship is on Red Alert Damage Control Mode! A Home battlecruiser supporting Blu-Ray is in the vicinity!

Engineering: We have a Red Ring pulse in the Plasma core reactor. <_<

Scottie: Damnit Jim, I thought I told you to throw money at it!

Jim: Got it. *Plans out billion dollar solution*

Spock: http://www.fastsilicon.com/latest-news/microsoft-admits-all-xbox360s-are-defective.html?Itemid=60 OH SHI-

All jokes aside, with all the fuss about the PS3 getting rid of the 60GB, I found it hilarious nobody even reported this rumor. Which of course is odd, since any and every PS3 rumor is reported, worshipped, and confirmed. BTW, I already asked for this thread to be closed, as the article apparently spun the july 9th story.

I have something better:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/joeorc/thBSOD_DATA2.gif

hgmaster

07-14-2007, 01:05

Where is Sony on patch 1.8xxx by now? and it still doesnt do everything it needs to. They both suck right now. But still show me a reputable source that says this M$ thing is true. I didnt believe the 100 dollar price drop until i saw it in the paper today. Never will they come out and say that we made a bad product and all of you at one time should return your consoles. This would have been on the local news or something.

Last time I checked you cant fix hardware issues with a patch.
Seems to be two issues that are plaguing the 360
1. Disk being scratched. easily fixed (Add a bushing)but you need to send it in for that. IE not fixable with a patch.

2.Mobo heating up/warping. again cant be fixed with a patch, or can they...

You ever buy a heat sink for your PC? would you buy one that looked like the one in the xbox 360? heres a link to a tear down of the NEWEST 360 version. which is just as faulty but M$ did nothing about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOeCbt1SQZo

BTW does this post have anything to do with E3 2007?? can some moderator move this the Xbox thread, Ty

n00body

07-14-2007, 01:06

I'm gonna wait and see on this one. It seems a bit hard to swallow that they'd suddenly admit that all the units everywhere are faulty, and yet not announce a recall. So let's see if tomorrow, Microsoft makes an official announcement on the matter. As it stands though, a total recall would be crippling for their business, so I highly doubt they'd ever admit something like this and risk that kind of damage to their image.

Azure

07-14-2007, 01:15

The difference between Sony is that they send out patches to add extra features, where as MS sends out patches to make the product work.

Although for the most part I think you are a fool this post is priceless and 100% correct.

Nunalho

07-14-2007, 01:15

I have no pitty whatsoever, we get this every week.

Nice to see the tables turning.

Shadowfyre

07-14-2007, 01:18

(maniacal laughter!!!!!!!!!) told em so :D, This is the best day of my life. well one of them (besides the day I bought my ps3.)

LordNoob

07-14-2007, 01:23

http://www.n4g.com/industrynews/NewsCom-51816.aspx

Seems like most people fell for the spin by that AU site. I saw one person catch their little sneaky usage of quotes.

P209

07-14-2007, 01:26

I have no pitty whatsoever, we get this every week.

Nice to see the tables turning.

Every single week, it's either Metal Gear or something else but usually it's Metal Gear and well $599

Sai

07-14-2007, 01:32

blue screen of death, red ring of death. what will microsoft come up with next?

voom99

07-14-2007, 01:33

Yeah, Aquanox basically locks any negative 360 news in that section now. Don't post negative 360 stuff there

Agreed. The thread title asks "so where are the fanboys?" - well don't worry they've been ganging up on me in a Mass Effect thread taking turns to give me schoolyard wedgies. I'm surprised at the low level of maturity in there. I'm amazed that we are in a PS3 forum - supposedly a safe place to talk about the PS3, yet anything negative said about the 360 and suddenly they're onto you like a ton of bricks, moderators included.

I know now that I'm never going to visit the 360 section of this forum ever again. They twist your words. They take one little negative thing out of context and make you look like a 'hater'. You can't be critical at all, or else they take you to task over the slightest thing you write and make it a huge deal.

So, with all the good news for the PS3 lately and the AWESOME E3, a word of advice, don't stray towards the 360 section - they will vent their frustration upon you and pummel you like a punching bag 'til you walk home bleeding profusely from the thighs and underwear torn and ripped and hanging around your ankles. It's not pretty. And it shouldn't be happening here. We come here to enjoy ourselves, after all.

Crazy Phat

07-14-2007, 01:37

Azure

07-14-2007, 01:45

Yeah that happens when you make half of it up :)

n00body

07-14-2007, 01:50

blue screen of death, red ring of death. what will microsoft come up with next?

The "Black Spot" perhaps? (pirate lingo) :p

Or perhaps the "green box of death" (since they already covered red and blue).

Crazy Phat

07-14-2007, 02:00

Yeah that happens when you make half of it up :)

What did I make up?(25 characters).

pnorris

07-14-2007, 02:05

wow this really could suck hardcore for MS. and after this we probably wont be using the $ in M$ anymore. it is really sad. i was thinking about getting one in the near future, but i am definatley waiting now.

One thing i have a question about, im wondering what implications this might have between MS and 3rd party (hell even first party develepors) with this news and if any jump ship.....

psy

07-14-2007, 02:06

The "Black Spot" perhaps? (pirate lingo) :p

Or perhaps the "green box of death" (since they already covered red and blue).

In other news ,a xbox 360 attacked a 6 year old boy while he was crossing the street, the boy substained several injuries and are currently in the hospital in a coma. Microsoft officals has known this malfunction since may 2005 when 15 microsoft devlopers was eaten by a gang of xboxes.

:rolleyes:

Potassium

07-14-2007, 02:21

I see, so it now explain. wii can't participate in the Folding@Home because it has a puny brain and can't handle the maths. 360 can't participate in the Folding because it has some sort of heart defect and if forced to run a marathon, I mean foldathon, it will collapse on the road.

Hooligan69

07-14-2007, 02:30

Call me a fanboy or whatever, but I've never trusted an M$ product. I've been a lifetime Apple fan, and as far as gaming goes, i started on the original NES and migrated to PS1, PS2 and now PS3, and have loved every minute of it. I've hated all the hating on the PS3, and now I have to be the Nelson of this thread and say, "HAAA HAAAAA!!"

Hooligan69

07-14-2007, 02:33

blue screen of death, red ring of death. what will microsoft come up with next?

Um, Peter Moore's Yellow-stained underwear of death?

eewww, sorry.

PlayStation Fascination

07-14-2007, 02:44

Agreed. The thread title asks "so where are the fanboys?" - well don't worry they've been ganging up on me in a Mass Effect thread taking turns to give me schoolyard wedgies. I'm surprised at the low level of maturity in there. I'm amazed that we are in a PS3 forum - supposedly a safe place to talk about the PS3, yet anything negative said about the 360 and suddenly they're onto you like a ton of bricks, moderators included.

I know now that I'm never going to visit the 360 section of this forum ever again. They twist your words. They take one little negative thing out of context and make you look like a 'hater'. You can't be critical at all, or else they take you to task over the slightest thing you write and make it a huge deal.

So, with all the good news for the PS3 lately and the AWESOME E3, a word of advice, don't stray towards the 360 section - they will vent their frustration upon you and pummel you like a punching bag 'til you walk home bleeding profusely from the thighs and underwear torn and ripped and hanging around your ankles. It's not pretty. And it shouldn't be happening here. We come here to enjoy ourselves, after all.

One of the members here was so rude to me in a thread it took me a while to figure out he\she was a mod. He\she is a 360 owner.

A few 360 owners did acknowledge my open apology a few days ago but yesterday when I said basically "Hey guys don't worry about it. No source" in the 360 100% failure rate thread, no replies. I didn't say that to get rep points but at least a ""Hey thanks man" or something. They tear any little thing apart that you say that they perceive as negative and ignore anything positive you say (as a PS3 owner). Regardless that thread mysteriously disappeared as do some threads that are critical of the 360. If they have a high post count they can say whatever they like as well. Don't bother hitting the report button.

Charl3z523

07-14-2007, 02:57

I don't think MS really needs to do a recall because people in colder areas aren't really having problems.
Oh so lets just do a recall for everyone on the West Side right? Are you ****ing kidding me dude? Let's think here. When they recall toys that are too small it's because the kids may choke on them. So what do they do? Only issue recalls to kids 4 and under? Let's think here buddy.

lol wow ms need to learn how to make products that dont blow up
No ones system has blown up. Don't be stupid.

Potassium

07-14-2007, 03:09

I have something better:

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l94/joeorc/thBSOD_DATA2.gif

ROFLOL! This really crack me up.

fis

07-14-2007, 03:13

All me know for sure in MS have extended the warranty for 3 years and set aside $1 billion. That's it. Now there maybe 11.6 million units out there that may have exactly all the same problem, but at the moment someone has put 2+2 = 5.

Best quote I can find on this problem for MS is

"It suggests the problem is pretty widespread," Rosoff said.

Guess widespread could be 11.6 million?

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/07/06/xbox.360.warranty.ap/index.html?iref=newssearch)

PS3 rocks

07-14-2007, 03:22

Saigon

07-14-2007, 03:23

so my question is...who would want to buy a 360after this news...and is that price drop official....

surtur

07-14-2007, 03:25

Holy living mother of Zeus jesus ****ing hell.

11.6 MILLION DEFECTIVE UNITS? WTF?

Man, I don't know what to say.
they are all defective some just havent been subjected to the proper environmental situation to bring on the 3rr. but if that is true then i would demand a replacement before it dies and tell them to give me a revised console or i will sue the Crap out of them (not that i could afford it).
they say they have fixed the problem but all i have herd is that they added a third heat sink and some epoxy to prevent the chip from separating from the main board. (they cheaped out on the design and the quality of the components used and now they are paying to correct what should have been done right the first time..

LordNoob

07-14-2007, 03:29

surtur

07-14-2007, 03:50

You can't sell a product, and be aware of something of that nature. Its against the law. A huge class action suit could take place.

Anyway, I have already stated several times the original article spun the July 9th story. So if nobody listens, I don't care.

Oh BTW, people over at N4G reflect how people see this story. They believe it 100%.yes it is but they are saying it is more then one problem or a series of problems not just one specific problem causing the RROD so that is how they are avoiding the lawsuit for now but i am almost certain 99% of the RROD was the heat problems and the chips separating from the mainboard but they can not say this or they openly admit to having knowledge of a defective product.

n00body

07-14-2007, 05:54

Something I'd like to point out. The man the article cites, Robbie Bach, is a fairly high up MS PR guy who turned some heads recently. Specficially, how he mysteriously sold ALL his shares of stock in the company just a little prior to the announcement of the extended warranty. Does that mean he knows something we don't? Probably. Does that mean that the situation the article describes is the truth? I can't say for sure. Still, you can't help but wonder if there's a correlation.

TE1F3R

07-14-2007, 09:22

well they are now trying to do something to fix it and they are admitting there mistakes which is a step forward

skarekrow

07-14-2007, 10:21

well they are now trying to do something to fix it and they are admitting there mistakes which is a step forward

Oh well then.... I guess that makes it alright. :lol:
Let's celebrate MS's ability to admit something that EVERYONE has known all along almost two years into its life cycle.

Good Job MS, keep up the good work. See they do care about us!

Obviously, That was sarcasm

Beodude123

07-14-2007, 11:02

^They did the same thing to me when I made the thread ''The 360 Is Having A Crappy Week''

I just saying this week for 360 was crappy. Then them mother****ers start saying ''doom and gloom thread again.'' or ''flaimbater crywolf/''

Dude, I'm a PS3 fan, and I don't like the 360, and I saw that thread as flamebait. I was pretty surprised actually.

Ric998

07-14-2007, 11:32

11.6 MILLION DEFECTIVE UNITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG

I am near speechless right now. lol, microsoft is one f'ed company...well they deserve it.

BloodChannel

07-14-2007, 13:12

You all really want to sling mud at Microsoft don't you?

Maybe you weren't paying attention but they slung the mud on themselves.
They just admitted to having a ONE HUNDRED PERCENT failure rate.

crxdriver

07-14-2007, 15:24

This is obviously BS, 11.6 is basically their intirely installed base. I can't believe you guys actually believe this, look at the sources, i don't recognise one. They said all 360's have a design fault that may cause them to fail, not all 360's have failed. Even that i find hard to believe.

You don't understand. Every X360 on the planet has a design problem, because all are the same, Microsoft did nothing to make necessary changes when they realise that their hardware has a problem, so every X360 to this day and beyond is having a potential problem. There is a chance for them to fix that with 65nm version, but if they didn't do it till now (Elite has it too), i suppose it's to complex for easy fix.

My bet is that they will try to fix with 65nm version, and if it doesn't work, they will again deny a big failure rate for a year and a half, and then launch something like Xbox 400 or get out of the business..

pkm

07-14-2007, 15:40

No matter what you say about this you get the same response...
"3yr warranty!!1111!!!!"...that solves everythign supposedly LOL.

babyface

07-14-2007, 15:46

Imagine you're the owner of a game shop and have a pile of 360 boxes on your shelves. After reading these statements from Microsoft - what would you do? Keep selling a product to customers which the producer has publicly confirmed to be defective??

I think all retailers should pull the plug and stop selling 360s until they're all replaced by Microsoft. This would be the only sensible thing to do. However, somehow I feel it's not gonna happen; they will probable prefer to have their customers get shafted as long as possible.

sorrow880

07-14-2007, 16:08

Yeah, this is garbage. MS shouldn't be allowed to get away with this. The customer paid good money and most expect a 400.00 console to last longer than 3 years. I know I do. MS should issue a recall.
Also, have they changed their product so it doesn't happen in the future? Is the issue corrected on new 360's?

ps3smurf

07-14-2007, 17:08

This is why i have a fan blowing on my x360 when I used to play it..now it collects dust for the most part , sadly.

LordNoob

07-14-2007, 17:10

Guys while this article may be dead on about the 360 having a design flaw; it has TWISTED quotes, made by Robbie Bach. Look at the date of the original statement. It says July 9th. Nobody can make the connection? Remember what happened on July 9th?

mariotrv

07-14-2007, 17:41

Regardless if its all or a significant percentage. Its enough of a reason for consumers to look elsewhere such as myself. I am a PS3 supporter as a result of this.

Vip3r

07-14-2007, 17:50

Nice to know buying the PS3 as payed off even more. This should teach M$ a thing about quality rather than quantity.

shinblade

07-14-2007, 17:56

free with every xbox 360 console:

Despair, and a pretty red light show.

Zetsumei

07-14-2007, 18:03

Josh93

07-14-2007, 18:38

For defective hardware a recall is standard practice. Sony had to do it with there laptop batteries. Shame on ms if this does not happen.
Microsoft aren't going to recall the Console especially when they can replace say 6 million in the 3 years, then there are 5 million not replaced that will break in the future. Microsoft are not in it for the consumer, they are in it for the Money. That is there stratergy with the Warrenty, because not all 11.6 Million consoles will break within 3 years.

fis

07-15-2007, 22:10

Just read this.. looks like the week has just got worse for the X360.

EB Games Australia have issued a recall on their Xbox 360s. Not just their own personal display or demo units. Every single Premium Xbox 360 they had in-stock.

Wonder if this is the start? LINK (http://kotaku.com/gaming/two-weeks/eb-games-australia-issues-total-360-recall-278562.php)

EDIT: Looks like it has to do with bad batch of HDD!

The recall is believed to be due to a faulty batch of HDDs, as it did not include Core units.

LINK (http://russrenshaw.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/15/837778-eb-games-australia-issues-recall-on-all-xbox-360s)

Lets hope the same does not happen to PS3!

IWAO

07-15-2007, 22:47

Man that must be so sad for them,because if that continues,so will no one buy the next Xbox for ever,but man they must be very much shy now guys:)

DayWalker

07-15-2007, 22:58

I still find this funny:

Sony Fanboy: Z0MG! M$ are having a bad day! Let's throw **** at them and taunt those Xbots!

Others: YEA!

This situation is pitiful.

:suspect:
I don't get what exactly you are trying to defend here???
11.6 million defective units???

they ****ed up... badly... chillax and watch the reap the whirlwind

Beodude123

07-16-2007, 02:24

Okay, umm...

Why would anyone in the right mind buy an xbox 360, after they extended the warranty. That right there should be clear enough that the hardware, most likely will be faulty! And will break and you will have to get it replace

But it'll be good for three years!! That's all that matters! Seriously, some people see it like that. Microsoft is doing good by their customers. While I do partially agree (having 3 years is better than 3 months), having not faulty hardware is more important to me than having a good warranty.

Toaddio

07-16-2007, 03:10

When a fatal error strikes your hardware there should be a recall.

rpgmaster1

07-16-2007, 05:00

You should have seen the poll at GameFAQs. Most think Nintendo had the best exclusives, Microsoft second, and Sony last. Complete BS I say since Sony had a better line-up than Microsoft.

WAN

07-16-2007, 05:37

Okay, umm...

Why would anyone in the right mind buy an xbox 360, after they extended the warranty. That right there should be clear enough that the hardware, most likely will be faulty! And will break and you will have to get it replace... and all that nonsense when it should have been working on the first place...

I would say this is the best time for M$ to bring the new version of the 360 with the smaller chip and whatever it's going to make it work!

Oddly enough, I went over to XBox's forums and a lot said the same thing.

Several threads where people admitted that Sony's hardware was MUCH BETTER and that it wasnt a great time right now to buy a 360

uri voltme

07-18-2007, 09:37

looks like 360 owners week just picked up, that buffoon Moore just quit !

Carsonal

07-18-2007, 10:27

I really hate these threads.
Tribal mentality does nothing but damage the forums and takes focus away from where the real emphasis of gaming should be - fun.

PlayStation Fascination

07-18-2007, 10:35

I really hate these threads.
Tribal mentality does nothing but damage the forums and takes focus away from where the real emphasis of gaming should be - fun.

If we all agreed on everything the forums here would be rather boring. I know there is nothing a 360 owner could say that could take the fun out of playing PS3 nor is there anything I or other PS3 owners could say that would take the fun out of playing 360. I'm sure we've all said things here that could be considered "tribal mentality" at one time or another. If 360 owners were that thin skinned they wouldn't be posting on PS3 forums.

Carsonal

07-18-2007, 10:37

PlayStation Fascination

07-18-2007, 10:49

Its not about everyone agreeing.
My problem is that theres not enough disagreeing about the games themselves and too much disagreeing about sales charts, company executives and hardware.
I just don't believe thats what gaming is all about.

I can't disagree with that. It never used to be that way before the crash. Even company execs are all taking shots at each other. Nintendo has stepped into the frey lately.

I'm not sure if console makers created Console Wars or gamers did. Maybe a bit of both. People align themselves more or less with one console. People that have more than one console tend to consider themselves Elite. Like the rest of the world, it's all very political now.

Carsonal

07-18-2007, 11:01

it's all very political now.

Its a terrible thing to have happened to such a young industry.
Whatever the case may be, it stinks.
And is ruining the gaming community

dead_zen

07-18-2007, 12:34

Its a terrible thing to have happened to such a young industry.
Whatever the case may be, it stinks.
And is ruining the gaming community

Glad more and more people agree with me.

Just like the attack ad's with the dreamcast against the PS2.

That's where it can all go back to. Moore as COO for SEGA at the time, once again using "dirty tricks" as they say in the political arena.

Like it or not, MS is bad for gaming because of the blood that's been spillt over a god damn toy that generates nothing but profit.

This isn't just "fanboy" ranting and raving.

The sooner MS leaves the playground, it can go back to being civil. With nothing but love for all the consoles and their games.

Leaders don't throw mud.

coffeerox

07-18-2007, 13:46

I really hate these threads.
Tribal mentality does nothing but damage the forums and takes focus away from where the real emphasis of gaming should be - fun.

Unfortunately tribal mentality is all that exists on boards. Whether we want to or not. You can see where a thread gets severely derailed all because people see someone or some topic getting picked on, then chose the winning side and run from there. I've recently been a victim of this and it's frustrating when you know you're right and regardless of you proving them wrong, they don't see them as being wrong because they feel they're never wrong, even when they know it.

InSpectre

07-18-2007, 14:31

I gotta give credit to the posters over at NeoGaf. A lot of 'em are on their 2nd, 3rd & 4th Xbox's, but they're trying to stay upbeat about it. I guess they don't have much to do but chat since they're without a console for 4 to 8 weeks every time it breaks.

Perhaps M$ will be more proactive and forthcoming soon, so current and potential owners can decide what to do.