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[NVIDIA G71 & G80 Info]
Page Title: NVIDIA G71 & G80 Info
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: December 3, 2005, 3:07 am
Source: HKEPC
NVIDIA CFO Marv Burkett and VP Michael Hara at CSFB Annual Technology Conference 2005 revealed more about the GeForce 7 series where the 90nm G72 (GeForce 7200) and G73 (GeForce 7600) will be announced in Q1 next year. G72 will be 64-bit and support TurboCache technology. Marv Burkett revealed that GeForce 7200 and 7600 series will last between one to one and half year. G71 will be 90nm and is expected to be much higher clocked at 750MHz. As for G80, the development process has been smooth and is slated for mid 2006 release which i suppose during Computex 2006. Also G80 will support Shader Model 4.0.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=3005
Holy *ahem*, RSX's 550Mhz clockspeed is looking downright conservative right about now. Also, G80 will have SM4.0 and will be out mid 2006. I'll be surprised if RSX will have SM4.0, but feel free to surprise me. :P
adamba4e
12-06-2005, 02:10
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
Alkemist
12-06-2005, 02:12
Wow just wow. Adam is right, lets see if Nvidia will keep their promise now.
750mhz....im in awe.
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
Whoa, now you are talking my language ;) It'd be awesome to know if PS3 supports SM4.0 out of the box. That's next-gen right there.
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
Whoa, now you are talking my language ;) It'd be awesome to know if PS3 supports SM4.0 out of the box. That's next-gen right there.
I thought SM3.0 and SM4.0 are just some DirectX API features. Are these SM3/4 features included in openGL Embedded Systems API which PS3 uses?
EDIT: And isn't this G80 first GPU from nVidia with unified shaders?
this is great news.
i wonder if this is the real RSX.
if it is PS3 will own all lol.
hope so, it would be great if they updated the power of RSX!
Yeh thats what i thought, i thought the G7Xs were the last dedicated line GPUs they will have
Cant wait for RSX though, hopefully they will keep with their promise, if not, i dont mind
hey the current 7800 512 GPU is good enough for me.
If Sony do announce hyped up specs of the RSX, i think i'll run like a headless chicken for a while.
Sct-I/On
12-06-2005, 18:18
Because RSX is coupled straight with Cell processor the overall GFX power of RSX is amazing even if the specs won't change at all.
We already know about many games using Cell for gfx tasks along with RSX and some amazing results have already been hinted at, so next year will be marvellous.
I think sony will stay with 550MHz RSX because of power consumption. They have already released final specs and they will take every little advancement in a form of a power saving. We might see "RSX" on PC at the same time when PS3 is released but it will be clocked to 750MHz (and up to 1000Mhz with those craZy OC pr0s! :wink: ) because it is not such a big deal, on a PC, if new GPU needs 600W power supply and produces 200W thermal power!
PS3 with a extremely small cabinet size effectively restricts usage of high tuned parts ie. GPU or CPU. For example Cell processor in PC with 5GHz clock speed might not be such a big deal with 1Kg copper heatpipe heatsink boosted with 12cm 3000rpm fan. Yeah, it would be loud, but... PCs are! :)
I also think that the rsx isnt likely to change that drastically. The fastest I could see it going is 600mhz when its all said and done. Sony does not want to repeat the mistakes that the 360 did with containing heat issues. The Cell processor is made for efficiency and could easily be clocked above 3.2 Ghz. Sony wants to make a PS3 that is reliable.
slipknotdisturbedfan
12-06-2005, 19:12
But what if they could make the clock speeds higher and have be reliable, now that would be awesome. Hearing about the RSX is making me excited like a little school girl.
They won't change the RSX this much, no way. If anything, maybe NVIDIA knows the PS3 will be out before mid '06, so even if they do release this new GPU in mid '06 the RSX will technically still be the best they got when the PS3 launches. I'd say that's more likely than them revamping the RSX.
A lot of people are tech analysing PS3 chips under the knowledege we have from PC. You can do this very well with xbox 360, since it's just a power PC in a box. I seem some real tech guy are saying With RSX it can bearly do 720p60 on 2 screen at the same time. Which is very true under PC standard even GeForce 7800 can bearly do 1080p120 on sigle screen and SCE's CEO is talking about 2 screen of 1080p120 at the same time with 3AA+, on a chip that is just a little better then GeForce 7800. However it is possible if the architech is as following,
Basiclly RSX is doing nothing but pixle calculasion and output, this very much solve what nvidia said there is no need for flexible programming on RSX, since it's only ever doing the same processing anyway. This way RSX is not just fast it's lighting fast since it will be design sepcially for the task. All the 3D rendering will be done by Cells that's why you need RSX to use main memory ie to read render data produce by the SPEs. :shock:
The truth is I have seem many tech discussion on sony's next gen system in the past (PS, PS2) they were all wrong. Because sony use very different architech from what we have known today base on PC. Remeber PS2 under tech people's estimate it can only run half the speed it's running right now, bearly doing MPEG2 decoding, which by now we all know it can do MPEG2 encoding real time. The truth is with better programming tech PS2 runs better then what sony was estimated which was already twice the power that the tech people estimated. And not only that PS2 is still getting better just look at some demo on line up next year. :lol:
Personally I won't make any tech estimation on PS3 just yet, since we have very little understanding on how all those chips works, just remember the bus speed between them is amazingly high, much higher then what you have on PC and they are much shorter then what you have on PC this would jsut make all the difference. 8)
ShotokanTiger
12-06-2005, 20:37
is the 7600 supposed to be better than the 7800 after its released?
hisame is right on the money. I think the cell will do the dirty 3D render work. That's why you have the FlexIO bus. To carry truckloads of rendered data to the RSX.
I'm just praying Sony will surprise us next month by announcing that RSX will be clocked at 600MHz and Cell PS3 will be clocked at 4Ghz without any issues. That's a BIG improvement and would definitely make Xbox 360 look like a toaster in comparison.
Also, I don't think Sony will be using Shader Model 4.0. PS3 would probably utilize something like it but definitely not something proposed by Microsoft. Otherwise, they'll lose money to royalties.
Shouldn't this be in the PC section? I honestly don't think this is true based on the the cycle of the 7800... unless ATI brings out a more powerful card then the 512MB 7800. Why would Nvidia come out with an even more powerful card when there card is already on top and there really isnt that much competition? And there is no chance in hell this is the RSX.
The Chocobo Kid
12-06-2005, 21:29
This is going to be sick. I'm really happy that Sony got a GPU company to make it for them. some really great.Much better then ATI.
No where does that say this will be used in the PS3. Only that the new product lines will support this. The PS3 Graphics chip has been set in stone last we heard. I could be wrong but I think alot of us are over reacting on quotes.
RSX is set stone in Oct already, actually all the spec was set before E3. nvidia only said they will fine tune it in E3 so I won't expect any frequency change. Anyway PS2 is already at 170W+ rage with the present frequency range. I won't expect sony to put up with any more power. Even sony makes some of the world's best AC/DC convertor. 200W+ is way too much for a console. The frequency someone mentioned up there is like 300W+, it's not a PC console is small with little air sapce ie less flow slower cool down speed. Console is usually run at half the top frequency a die could run at, for 2 reason to keep the heat down, keep the quality up. Just look at Xbox 360 it's smoking only a few MHz higher. 8)
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
Where did they promise this?
The only thing I can see changing in the PlayStation 3 is possibly the RSX being clocked upto 600MHz, changing from 128bit to a 256bit memory interface, using 256MB of XDR instead of GDDR3, or something else.
Alkemist
12-07-2005, 01:52
I'm with a few others in this thread. I doubt we will see any drastic changes to the RSX since it is too far in development, just a few tweeks here and there. They still have to consider reliability and manufacturing costs. Also, like many said...it's possible we could see the RSX clocked at 600MHz.....but that's the most we can expect.
The only thing I can see changing in the PlayStation 3 is possibly the RSX being clocked upto 600MHz, changing from 128bit to a 256bit memory interface, using 256MB of XDR instead of GDDR3, or something else.
I totally agree with this. I'm not expecting the RSX to change too much from what they've already said, however, those kind of changes would radically change the depth that programmers could use the GPU for. Those would all be awesome changes for the better, but in all honesty, the RSX is already a demon from the abyss for a console even if it runs just comparable to the 7800 512. The frequency doesn't even have to be that high since the RSX is making the leap from 110nm to 90nm. I'm FAR more interested in seeing how the GPU will interface with the Flex I/O bus than any other technical spec personally.
CashMoney
12-07-2005, 02:10
we can always hope for more i guess... but, i think 550MHz, 1.8tflops, and access to an additional pool of 256 ram, being assisted by a powerhouse CPU, and talking via a rediculously fast bus will do just fine if we don't get anything more than that... :P
PS3in1080p
12-07-2005, 02:46
Can't remember but does anyone know how the 360's GPU stacks up against the RSX? Also how will Cell compare with MS's 3 CPU Cores?
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
fastest GPU? I remember hearing that by the time ps3 is released Nvidia would have a more powerful card on the market. :?: I do remember reading a press release by Nvidia saying most "sophisticated" Not necessarily meaning most powerful though.
The Chocobo Kid
12-07-2005, 03:11
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
fastest GPU? I remember hearing that by the time ps3 is released Nvidia would have a more powerful card on the market. :?: I do remember reading a press release by Nvidia saying most "sophisticated" Not necessarily meaning most powerful though.As long as Nvidia has a GPU better then xbox360 then that's all that really matters.
Nstriker20
12-07-2005, 03:40
[NVIDIA G71 & G80 Info]
Page Title: NVIDIA G71 & G80 Info
Category: GPUs & Graphic Cards
Type: News
Posted By: Visionary
Date: December 3, 2005, 3:07 am
Source: HKEPC
NVIDIA CFO Marv Burkett and VP Michael Hara at CSFB Annual Technology Conference 2005 revealed more about the GeForce 7 series where the 90nm G72 (GeForce 7200) and G73 (GeForce 7600) will be announced in Q1 next year. G72 will be 64-bit and support TurboCache technology. Marv Burkett revealed that GeForce 7200 and 7600 series will last between one to one and half year. G71 will be 90nm and is expected to be much higher clocked at 750MHz. As for G80, the development process has been smooth and is slated for mid 2006 release which i suppose during Computex 2006. Also G80 will support Shader Model 4.0.
http://www.vr-zone.com.sg/?i=3005
Holy *ahem*, RSX's 550Mhz clockspeed is looking downright conservative right about now. Also, G80 will have SM4.0 and will be out mid 2006. I'll be surprised if RSX will have SM4.0, but feel free to surprise me. :P
You are forgetting that The RSX is not going to be working alone producing graphics for the PS3. The Cell processors will also help the RSX.
Also Nvidia promised us that the RSX will be the fastest GPU in the world. So that G80 would be kind off Limited in it's abilities.
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
fastest GPU? I remember hearing that by the time ps3 is released Nvidia would have a more powerful card on the market. :?: I do remember reading a press release by Nvidia saying most "sophisticated" Not necessarily meaning most powerful though.
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
Where did they promise this?
Maybe this link will clear it up: http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/07/11/nvidia_rsx_interview/2.html
It clearly states that by the time it launches, RSX will still be the fastest GPU but not for long until PC catches up. But in terms of real game performance, PS3 will outdo PC for a long time due to it's CELL+RSX combo and system-optimized games. PC games aren't optimized so they're not pushing the GPU to the metal as devs would on consoles.
I think you should all take a deep breath and relax :o sony and nvidia have been working together on this for a while now, and you know as well as i do that what ever the specs are going to be, they will be the best for stable crash free, and the most efficient they can offer with 0% bottlenecks. :wink:
About SM4, it has already been said that PS3 will sort of support SM3 only as OpenGL ES, as SM3 etc is microsoft, but there nothing to say they have blindly ignored SM4.
Terarrim
12-07-2005, 18:08
It has been stated that the RSX will be the most advanced GPU on the market when the PS3 has been released. We don't know exactly what that means, (more advanced functionally, faster, more advanced due to how "close" the GPU is to the Cell CPU). I for one cant wait for the final tech specs for the RSX and exactly what changes Sony has made to the graphics card. Either way there is no need for any panick in regards to GPU's on PCS outstripping the RSX performance because of how powerful and flexible the Cell chip is at graphics.
On the other hand I must say every press release from Nvidia regarding their processors really makes me more and more hungry to see exactly what our friendly RSX GPU really is all about :).
arfi-gorgona-O
12-07-2005, 19:15
The GPU's have a fixed feature list and thats all.CELL on the other hand,may be programmed to do many features that GPU's cant even dream about them.Think about him as a fully programable GPU,cause thats what it is.. Be patience and you're going to see wonders from the Ps3 and CELL+RSX combo.Even the doubters will be silenced when the times comes.I will give you an example how powerful CELL really is.
This is the no1 supercomputer in the world by IBM,now we are going to look at the stats of this machine.The machine is a beast of 367.000GF Peak and in order to archive that kind of power it uses 131.072 processors!!
CELL can archive more power than this beast (even with its current implementation!!),with only 1450 processors (371200GF peak).Isn't that impressive?IBM may already starting to make a beast like that in order to surpass themselves lol.Btw they also hold,2nd and 3rd place.CELL is a beast and,with the same amount of processors CELL power will be.....33.5PF's:?
IBM said,that they are aiming for a Petaflop,with later implementations of CELL.The industry (?) and the scientific community said that,all other current processors are evolutionary,but CELL is a revolution,its not another faster processor,is leaps and bounds beyond the competition.You can find articles about that,all over the net.Ps3 anyone? :wink:
Here is a good one:
http://www.blachford.info/computer/Cell/Cell1_v2.html
This is a quote from the top 500 supercomputers,If you need a link about it,let me know.
Rank:1
Computer: BlueGene/L - eServer Blue Gene Solution IBM
Processors: 131072
Year: 2005
Rmax: 280600GF
Rpeak: 367000GF
Fixed it: :D
This is a quote from the top 500 supercomputers,If you need a link about it,let me know.
Rank:1
Computer: BlueGene/L - eServer Blue Gene Solution IBM
Processors: 131072
Year: 2005
Rmax: 280600TF
Rpeak: 367000TF
Whoaaa, hold your horses there Arfi!
So IBM is aiming for 1PetaFLOPS but seems like BlueGene/L already boosts 367PetaFLOPS according to your quote from top500.org, or maybe you have a typo there GFLOP != TFLOP?! :lol:
CELL is a beast and,with the same amount of processors CELL power will be.....33.554.432TF's :? I
With 130000 cell processors peak FLOPS count is not 33ExaFLOPS, it is more like 33PetaFLOPS! :roll: :wink:
arfi-gorgona-O
12-07-2005, 22:12
Ops yeah i had a typo...I meant GF :lol: I Fixed the whole post now.I guess i was really rushing about it,and did a typo by mistake... :oops:
As long as Nvidia has a GPU better then xbox360 then that's all that really matters.
Thats exactly what you will get a slightly improved clock speed and very little graphically different than XBOX 360. You will get a faster CPU with the cell and Blue-Ray Media, and other bells in whistles.
Dont hope for some MAJOR upgrade they are trying to CUT costs and I expect things to be removed from the conosle or parred down to make a price point..
Sct-I/On
12-08-2005, 19:57
a faster CPU with the cell
With? the cell?
Pretty much sums it up :D
It will actually be really enjoyable to see some people's jaws drop :)
Terarrim
12-08-2005, 20:41
In some graphical tasks as shown on the Cell benchmarking thats all they (programers) need to create over twice the graphical power of the Xbox 360 GPU is use the RSX+3SPE's on the cell.
The Chocobo Kid
12-08-2005, 20:49
As long as Nvidia has a GPU better then xbox360 then that's all that really matters.
Thats exactly what you will get a slightly improved clock speed and very little graphically different than XBOX 360. You will get a faster CPU with the cell and Blue-Ray Media, and other bells in whistles.
Dont hope for some MAJOR upgrade they are trying to CUT costs and I expect things to be removed from the conosle or parred down to make a price point..
I really don't think they are going to have that much change there. but if it's faster then more can be done at the same time then the xbox360. give are port version of a game better.
http://theinquirer.net/?article=28227
G71 is Nvidia's next generation high end chip
32 pipes at 90 nanometres
By Fuad Abazovic: Thursday 08 December 2005, 17:07
[Advert]
IT HAPPENS every four months. Nvidia set the new trend of releasing its new top end card every four months and it's not going to stop now. It just released its ghost Geforce 7800 GTX 512 product and the demand for it is incredible. A lot of people want it as it’s the fastest card around for Yule but you just can not get any.
G71 will end up with a new Geforce name, new number and probably GTX suffix but it's still too early to talk about the final name. It will have a very fast core, we still don’t know the number but it should be around 700MHz and it's obviously paired with super fast memory. The memory is not the problem and even Samsung memory running at 1700 MHz+ is not in tight supply.
The chip will have 32 pipelines and it's obviously faster than just arrived and not so available Geforce 7800 GTX 512 cards. It's expected in early February and Nvidia is already playing with these cards.
Now G71 is a 32-pipe card? Now we're talking (even if it's an inquirer article :P).
If RSX has 32 pixel pipes there will be no dispute which console is the most powerful of the next gen.
arfi-gorgona-O
12-08-2005, 21:26
24+8=32 :P The NV Gfx cards are already 32 pipes.They said 32 not 40 so its 32 overall.Even if the RSX has 32 (programable if i remember right) pipelines are more than enough,and with CELL's Help..God help us all :lol:
My only concern (?) is one.Given that CELL is able to do vertex shader but not pixel shaders.I hope that maybe they are going to use all 32 pipelines for Pixel shaders,and reserve 1 spe for the vertex.I think 1 spe is enough.But whatever they will decide im sure its for the best.Well we will see..
Like I posted before I think RSX will be a pure pixel shader, 32 pipes of specially designed pixel shader to work with cell. That's the only expernation I beileve that will allows PS3 to do 1080p120 2 screen at the same time. 8)
BTW uncompress 1080p120 2 screen is 15.3 Gb/s of uncompressed data to process. :shock: It's a lot DVI and HDMI 1.0 can only carry 5Gb/s of data across it. :)
NVIDIA CFO Marv Burkett and VP Michael Hara at CSFB Annual Technology Conference 2005 revealed more about the GeForce 7 series where the 90nm G72 (GeForce 7200) and G73 (GeForce 7600) will be announced in Q1 next year. G72 will be 64-bit and support TurboCache technology.
Are there chances that the RSX might feature TurboCache?
That would boost the performance even more...i think...
I think the RSX will have some tech takeing from the G71 & G80.
The Chocobo Kid
12-29-2005, 17:16
NVIDIA CFO Marv Burkett and VP Michael Hara at CSFB Annual Technology Conference 2005 revealed more about the GeForce 7 series where the 90nm G72 (GeForce 7200) and G73 (GeForce 7600) will be announced in Q1 next year. G72 will be 64-bit and support TurboCache technology.
Are there chances that the RSX might feature TurboCache?
That would boost the performance even more...i think...
TurboCache, now that something I never head of.
Mika Mo 25
12-30-2005, 06:47
Will this be in the ps3?
JustinPinter
12-30-2005, 23:48
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
That would be incredible if they updated the Specs on thr RSx to something like 750mhz. Just imagine the possiblities.
well when you think of the possibilities of cell-rsx it is impressive esp when Dev;s are saying we dont know what to try first (talking about the combo of cell-rsx and what each can handle to make things work better)
Lord_Alda
12-31-2005, 04:37
RSX is set stone in Oct already, actually all the spec was set before E3. nvidia only said they will fine tune it in E3 so I won't expect any frequency change. Anyway PS2 is already at 170W+ rage with the present frequency range. I won't expect sony to put up with any more power. Even sony makes some of the world's best AC/DC convertor. 200W+ is way too much for a console. The frequency someone mentioned up there is like 300W+, it's not a PC console is small with little air sapce ie less flow slower cool down speed. Console is usually run at half the top frequency a die could run at, for 2 reason to keep the heat down, keep the quality up. Just look at Xbox 360 it's smoking only a few MHz higher. 8)
According to them they'll be releasing this early next year, so its very likely they had finished it around october ETC. and they did say that it would be the fastest out ...
The Chocobo Kid wrote:
drD wrote:
adamba4e wrote:
Nvidia did promise that when the PS3 is launched the RSX will be the fastest GPU, so maybe this is a hint that there will be improvements to the final specs of the RSX. *Crosses Fingers*
fastest GPU? I remember hearing that by the time ps3 is released Nvidia would have a more powerful card on the market. Question I do remember reading a press release by Nvidia saying most "sophisticated" Not necessarily meaning most powerful though.
As long as Nvidia has a GPU better then xbox360 then that's all that really matters.
Not really I remember hearing them say at E3 that the RSX would be the fastest upon release. I do agree that the minor tweaks would be like 600-650mhz. And you should remember that faster the GPU doesn't recesserly mean more heat thats why they operate at such slow speeds. Also, xdr is faster then turbo cache *whoops the cache in the SPE's and PPE's are faster then any in the market (its part of the revolution)
The_Only
05-16-2008, 10:51
Jack Tretton, CEO and President of Sony Computer Entertainment America, has said that the company’s PlayStation 3 console is on track for a “breakthrough year” following news that PS3 software sales topped the two million mark last month.
Tretton’s comments come following the NPD Group’s figures for April 2008, which showcased a year-on-year increase in PS3 software sales by staggering 410 per cent.
“Clearly, the tremendous legacy of Grand Theft Auto on PlayStation, combined with the blockbuster launch of Gran Turismo 5 Prologue packed a one-two punch with consumers at retail this month,” he said.
“The proof is in the numbers and, in April, PlayStation 3 hardware sales experienced a 127 percent increase over April of last year.”
PS3 sold 187,100 units of hardware, only slightly edged out by the Xbox 360, which shifted 188,000 units during the same period. Nintendo’s Wii remained top of the pack with a lead of 714,200 consoles sold.
Despite this, Tretton expressed his confidence that the“PS3 remains on pace for a breakthrough year,” with its success “fueled by enthusiasm for Blu-ray as the definitive high def standard and the growing number of consumers gearing up for some of the most anticipated titles of the year, exclusively for PS3.”
Source: http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?optio ... 5&Itemid=2 (http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=10525&Itemid=2)