Xbox 360 and other Consoles Sales Discussion

[Tool 316]

well it was bound to happen i guess the little monster they call the wii is on a rampage. let just hope that in time the ps3 will take its fare share of the market and regain total console dominance.


find it refreshing to see some statistics instead of the usual opinions. Enjoy!

Nintendo Wii vs vs Microsoft Xbox 360: Q2 2007.

"Back in March, I outlined first quarter 2007 sales for a new generation of consumer electronics, including the , Sony PlayStation 3, Microsoft Xbox 360 and Zune, and estimated sales into the future. The numbers ended up working out largely as was predicted, as the graphics below indicate."
http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-65830.aspx

[Saigon]

good article...but this is not ps3 news...

[phranctoast]

Im pretty sure this was posted last week.

[C.T.E.]

That what happens when you go against a console with a 2 as the first number in the price. I think the price is driving the sales more than anything right now. Well, other than the awesome game that is Metroid. I might buy a Wii just to play it.

So there you go.

This is why Nintendo is winning. I almost typed myself into buying one right there without realizing it until I actually saw what I typed. Very tempting at 250 bucks.

[Tool 316]

Im pretty sure this was posted last week.

well that sort of suck n4g is can be slow at times.

[LaOMaN]

take this to the wii section or xbox360 section.

[XSpike_SpiegelC]

I predict that after 20-25 mill Wii sales will just stop......

[Vampirtc]

I predict that after 20-25 mill Wii sales will just stop......

I thought the same but now I'm not so sure anymore. I still think they will slow down.

[PS3fan15]

That what happens when you go against a console with a 2 as the first number in the price. I think the price is driving the sales more than anything right now. Well, other than the awesome game that is Metroid. I might buy a Wii just to play it.

So there you go.

This is why Nintendo is winning. I almost typed myself into buying one right there without realizing it until I actually saw what I typed. Very tempting at 250 bucks.

but then to realize that it won't probably be worth it.. since the Ps2 is also getting a couple of those..

I think wii is a good idea with a lot of potential. Maybe next gen, they can actually have good tech incorporated with the the wiimote (Graphics, gameplay, etc etc..)
So until then I will play use PS2 for the motion sensing.. and buy the next nintendo/PS with good graphics AND with a good motion sensing controller.

[KraZe]

that zune really is a piece of garbage eh?

[The True Gamer]

lol

Flame-baiting. Addressing an issue with MS on a ps3 board, typical fanboyism, especially since it has NOTHING to do with the ps3. XD

[dandad1]

I agree 100% with XSpike_SpiegelC the wii will stop selling any ware from 20-25 mill and 30 mill at the most the 360 will stop around 25-30 and the ps3 will stop at around 60mill+ and thats assuming half of the people that bought a ps2 don't buy a ps3 and I dough it.

Last gen the Xbox sold 22+mill and the GameCube sold around 25+mill but the PS2 sold 100+mill so unless 80% of the people that bought and liked the ps2 don't buy a PS3 there is no way in hell the ps3 wont win.

[Novicegamer]

But the real competition is for the 360 is the PS3. That's where the lead is and needs to be for the 360 to succed this gen (not sell more than the PS3, but be a success).

[thekingofkings]

That what happens when you go against a console with a 2 as the first number in the price. I think the price is driving the sales more than anything right now. Well, other than the awesome game that is Metroid. I might buy a Wii just to play it.

So there you go.

This is why Nintendo is winning. I almost typed myself into buying one right there without realizing it until I actually saw what I typed. Very tempting at 250 bucks.

Maybe for you, but **** in a bag for free is still **** in a bag. Catch my drift?


lol

Flame-baiting. Addressing an issue with MS on a ps3 board, typical fanboyism, especially since it has NOTHING to do with the ps3. XD

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it makes them feel better ;)

[The True Gamer]

Maybe for you, but **** in a bag for free is still **** in a bag. Catch my drift?



Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it makes them feel better ;)

Indeed it does.

Basically, the TC is saying "Look everyone! Something bad about MicroSoft!" *jumps up and down with glee*

[thekingofkings]

Indeed it does.

Basically, the TC is saying "Look everyone! Something bad about MicroSoft!" *jumps up and down with glee*

You know I can ALMOST see most of them do that when they say some of the things i read on these boards.

[The True Gamer]

Yeah...

.....

Why hasn't this been moved yet? Or do the mods on this site not do that?

[AznMTboy]

die xbox die!!! Long Live PS3

This is the kind of stuff about which people get banned. Aquanox.

[Onn]

Yes, well we haven't seen August sales numbers yet, you just wait (they're going to be high, I bought one!) Microsoft could reclaim its title, the empire shall strike back! :)

[Estacado]

The Wii may be dominating right now, but just wait, the PS3 will be on top soon. Over the long run I think PS3 will be first, then Wii, then 360.
Just my opinion though.

[Zassk]

When you look back at the first holiday season of the 360, it's obvious that MS lost 1 to 1.5 million sales in the first Christmas due to supply problems. Those lost sales didn't come later - they were lost forever as people spent that Christmas money on other gifts.

If the 360 had been fully available in the first holiday, then MS would be in a much stronger position than it is now. Its momentum through the first year would have been a lot stronger. But it lost those sales forever, and MS will forever be fighting to make up for the lost 2005 holiday season.

You can say the same thing about the Wii now, which might have sold 15 million by now, if more units had been available. But even with its supply problems, the Wii is still a huge success, so the lost sales aren't discussed much.

But the PS3 hasn't been supply constrained at all, as we well know, and has been widely reported. This is the biggest problem for the PS3 as I see it. It fulfilled all of the possible sales at its price, and still had inventory left over. This tells me that the PS3 has a real uphill battle ahead, as it fights against two consoles that both had high demand exceeding their supply.

[Linkedscorpion]

Machines aren't alive. :suspect:

apparently so is his sig...


well it was bound to happen i guess the little monster they call the wii is on a rampage. let just hope that in time the ps3 will take its fare share of the market and regain total console dominance.

the ps3 never had total console dominance. and it seems that sales are going at a steady pace when it really needs to put on overtime and catch up to the wii and 360

[Aquanox]

This article couldn't have been written in a worse moment. Honestly, I see it as a quite desperate attempt to get some clicks from a website not really in the business. (http://roughlydrafted.com ??) before August sales numbers are unveiled.

September is the month of Halo and August was the break point where Microsoft started releasing their biggest titles for this year. If anything, Microsoft did concede a quite beefy amount of share, specially to Nintendo. But as for Sony, nothing really suggests that this tendency will continue.

As a matter of fact, starting in August, Microsoft's advantage over Sony should start to expand once more and should also start fighting more closely with Nintendo's Wii.

[Behemoko]

This article couldn't have been written in a worse moment. Honestly, I see it as a quite desperate attempt to get some clicks from a website not really in the business. (http://roughlydrafted.com ??)

September is the month of Halo and August was the break point where Microsoft started releasing their biggest titles for this year. If anything, Microsoft did concede a quite beefy amount of share, specially to Nintendo. But as for Sony, nothing really suggests that this tendency will continue.

As a matter of fact, starting in August, Microsoft's advantage over Sony should start to expand once more and should also start fighting closely with Nintendo Wii.

I figured it would be the other way around with everybody finally buying one for Halo before it comes out.

[Kingofallpie]

well it was bound to happen i guess the little monster they call the wii is on a rampage. let just hope that in time the ps3 will take its fare share of the market and regain total console dominance.


http://n4g.com/industrynews/News-65830.aspx

Stopped reading, right here.

(Word)

[Sino]

I'm just playing wait and see with Xbox360's numbers, there is no excuse for them not to reach 300k sold in US in August because of Bioshock. If they don't make it I would consider they have failed and the only thing they can rely on is Halo.

[Lefein]

I'm just playing wait and see with Xbox360's numbers, there is no excuse for them not to reach 300k sold in US in August because of Bioshock. If they don't make it I would consider they have failed and the only thing they can rely on is Halo.

Personally, I'm waiting to see if they break 15 million units after the Holiday season.

[Bitbydeath]

I figured it would be the other way around with everybody finally buying one for Halo before it comes out.

Maybe they're waiting for the Halo Console?

The Wii has surely surprised me this gen

[SharkBait1980]

I don't really view the Wii has being in the same product market as the PS3 or the 360, but that's just me. The 360 should watch PS3 numbers rather than Wii numbers.

[SwitchBlade]

This thread should be gotten rid of before it's too late...

"Nothing good can come of this."

[silentmemory]

let just hope that in time the ps3 will take its fare share of the market and regain total console dominance.
I do hope not, total dominance is bad for all of us, regardless of which company comes out on top.

[Bitbydeath]

This thread should be gotten rid of before it's too late...

"Nothing good can come of this."

I don't think it really matters, like Sharkbait had said, and i also don't see the Wii battling it out with PS3 or X360, they have their own consumer market which seems far different as opposed to what both the PS3 & 360 market are competing for.

[reality]

Is all over for the 360, I'm tossing mine tonight. :rolleyes:

[Streets Disciple]

Meh, the wii is sort of on its own. It will eventually slow down extremely, and at which point ps3 and 360 with there lower prices will catch up.

[Andyourpoint]

Meh, the wii is sort of on its own. It will eventually slow down extremely, and at which point ps3 and 360 with there lower prices will catch up.
imo the wii will only get cheaper and cheaper and more and mroe will buy it. The sales will only slow when wii 2 is released

[Dissident]

I'm just playing wait and see with Xbox360's numbers, there is no excuse for them not to reach 300k sold in US in August because of Bioshock. If they don't make it I would consider they have failed and the only thing they can rely on is Halo.

:lol:
I guess after the NPD numbers over recent months, you couldn't move the goalposts any closer for the PS3 and are instead moving them further away for the 360? It doesn't have to get anywhere near 300k for August to be a successful month.

[Lefein]

:lol:
I guess after the NPD numbers over recent months, you couldn't move the goalposts any closer for the PS3 and are instead moving them further away for the 360? It doesn't have to get anywhere near 300k for August to be a successful month.

We do live on Planet Earth, not Planet America..

[Sino]

:lol:
I guess after the NPD numbers over recent months, you couldn't move the goalposts any closer for the PS3 and are instead moving them further away for the 360? It doesn't have to get anywhere near 300k for August to be a successful month.

Damage control before the numbers are even released, have faith buddy.

[GarthVaderUK]

There's really not much you can do about the Wii being such a huge success right now. Microsoft and Sony's next gen consoles can't truly compete directly with it at the moment which is party due to price and party due to the fact that the experience you get on the Wii is so purposefully different compared to what you get on the other two consoles. Stepping out of the power race and doing something so radically different was the best move Nintendo has made in years, and the booming sales figures right across the world are clear evidence of that.

The Wii isn't showing any signs of slowing down either, and is guaranteed to receive another huge boost this Christmas. Wiimania isn't going to end any time soon.

[zero1661]

no I dont imagine the wii sales will slow down at all, when the 360 was having a drought of games its sales slowed down dramatically, the wii has hardly any fantastic games at all, and its selling like crazy.

[Dissident]

Damage control before the numbers are even released

Indeed, and a pretty good job you're doing of it. like I said, usually you guys wait til after the NPD before moving the goalposts but there sure ain't any flies on you.

[admartian]

You know I can ALMOST see most of them do that when they say some of the things i read on these boards.

You know fellas, while I agree with you wholeheartedly, it goes both ways. Just playing Devil's Advocate here. ;)

Sony editing Wiki anyone? Wii 6-1 PS3 sales? Lair bad reviews? Gimme a break...

[skulpt]

Let's just look at this without the PS3 or Wii for a second.

1)They are selling less than last year each month guys. You know. Last year when they even had shortages? This is with way more games to buy including Gears, Madden, Lost Planet, Crackdown, and a lot more games than the PS3 at this time.

2) They said they would ship 15 million 360s by the end of June. They changed that to 12M, and reached only 11.6 million shipped. They shipped 1.2 million 360s WORLDWIDE in 6 months.

Forget the PS3. Why has the 360 sold less this year with more games, more polish to the games, more features on Live, and more users to convince their friends to buy or not to buy?

PS3 or not, the 360 has slumped big time. The PS3 has nothing to brag about either BTW. As Leifin mentions, I'm curious to see when they reach 15M sold. It might be longer than some of us think.

Brian

[Zap2]

well to Wii yes...to PS3, not so much. The sell a similar amount per month, world wide(I think!)......PS3's launch was going to boost it since all the die hard fan bought one right away, but now its seems even

[Byoushinn]

Let's just look at this without the PS3 or Wii for a second.

1)They are selling less than last year each month guys. You know. Last year when they even had shortages? This is with way more games to buy including Gears, Madden, Lost Planet, Crackdown, and a lot more games than the PS3 at this time.

2) They said they would ship 15 million 360s by the end of June. They changed that to 12M, and reached only 11.6 million shipped. They shipped 1.2 million 360s WORLDWIDE in 6 months.

Forget the PS3. Why has the 360 sold less this year with more games, more polish to the games, more features on Live, and more users to convince their friends to buy or not to buy?

PS3 or not, the 360 has slumped big time. The PS3 has nothing to brag about either BTW. As Leifin mentions, I'm curious to see when they reach 15M sold. It might be longer than some of us think.

Brian

Yup those are the facts there, but just watch, it'll get spinned in some way or another before long.
The 360 needsssssss some better games, i want to buy one simply for more games to put in my library but it needs more varied and quality titles, and needs to not melt

[Kingofallpie]

Let's just look at this without the PS3 or Wii for a second.

1)They are selling less than last year each month guys. You know. Last year when they even had shortages? This is with way more games to buy including Gears, Madden, Lost Planet, Crackdown, and a lot more games than the PS3 at this time.

2) They said they would ship 15 million 360s by the end of June. They changed that to 12M, and reached only 11.6 million shipped. They shipped 1.2 million 360s WORLDWIDE in 6 months.

Forget the PS3. Why has the 360 sold less this year with more games, more polish to the games, more features on Live, and more users to convince their friends to buy or not to buy?

PS3 or not, the 360 has slumped big time. The PS3 has nothing to brag about either BTW. As Leifin mentions, I'm curious to see when they reach 15M sold. It might be longer than some of us think.

Brian

No real slump in sales, MS just stuffed retail channels before Christmas 2006 to hit their 10 mil console shipped goal. Retailers already had tons in stock, so they didn't order more.

[GarthVaderUK]

1)They are selling less than last year each month guys. You know. Last year when they even had shortages? This is with way more games to buy including Gears, Madden, Lost Planet, Crackdown, and a lot more games than the PS3 at this time.

Price is a big factor here. They've just had the first (rather small) price cut now and went longer without a price cut than any other console before.


2) They said they would ship 15 million 360s by the end of June. They changed that to 12M, and reached only 11.6 million shipped. They shipped 1.2 million 360s WORLDWIDE in 6 months.

They quite obviously over-shipped at the end of last year to meet their 10 million shipped target purely for PR reasons. They stuffed the channels so full of 360s that many retailers didn't need to order any more for a long time, as they already had enough stock.


I'm curious to see when they reach 15M sold. It might be longer than some of us think.

They'll hit 15 million by the end of the year.

[Sino]

Indeed, and a pretty good job you're doing of it. like I said, usually you guys wait til after the NPD before moving the goalposts but there sure ain't any flies on you.

In case you didn't know last month's Wii number.

"With teh killerapp bioshock M$ must reach 450k otherwise am fail. "But I didn't say that did I ?

Honestly, PS2 has constantly sold more or around 300k every month in its early years. If you want to be the market leader, you got to sell around that number. There is only one goalpost for the company that wants to reach 100million plus consoles sold, 300k my friend.

[dead_zen]

No real slump in sales, MS just stuffed retail channels before Christmas 2006 to hit their 10 mil console shipped goal. Retailers already had tons in stock, so they didn't order more.

That by the very definition is a "slump".

They are cutting back shipments, because they oversold, they aren't selling their over stocked units, they aren't depleting their supply.

They have had to downgrade their estimates.

My guess is 15 Million six months after the holidays. Not good.

But it's good you are admitting MS is manipulating people.

[Aquanox]

Let's just look at this without the PS3 or Wii for a second.

1)They are selling less than last year each month guys. You know. Last year when they even had shortages? This is with way more games to buy including Gears, Madden, Lost Planet, Crackdown, and a lot more games than the PS3 at this time.


Last year the console was a novelty and it had no competition.

This year, the real boost will be seen starting on August and Microsoft did it on purpose to focus the boost in Holidays. Also, a pricedrop has just been performed.



2) They said they would ship 15 million 360s by the end of June. They changed that to 12M, and reached only 11.6 million shipped. They shipped 1.2 million 360s WORLDWIDE in 6 months.


Forget the PS3. Why has the 360 sold less this year with more games, more polish to the games, more features on Live, and more users to convince their friends to buy or not to buy?

There are two key factors for this phenomenon. Firstly, they overstocked at 2006 Christmas, which left little room for more shipments for a while. Secondly, they had to get rid of the old stock to replace it with the new consoles. Therefore, in the first half of this year, Microsoft has shipped strictly what they had to sell, unlike Sony which has shipped a lot more than they sold every month, considering how long the 60GB PS3s lasted since the announcement of its discontinuation.



PS3 or not, the 360 has slumped big time. The PS3 has nothing to brag about either BTW. As Leifin mentions, I'm curious to see when they reach 15M sold. It might be longer than some of us think.

Brian I see the articles of Xbox 360 sales of the first half of this year as the last light of a shooting star that detractors like you Brian just don't want to let go even knowing things are set to change. It's true that Microsoft hasn't precisely amazed with its sales in this year, and the reliability problems certainly hit a nerve. It's also true however, that this was probably the driest season in the console's life in terms of games. Madden doesn't count in the list, it belongs to August and it actually sold like hotcakes (surpassing dramatically the competitor's version sales), Lost Planet was released in January and it was still a strong month in sales.

Other than that, the 360 depended on Forza, Crackdown a bunch of 1-year-iterated sequels which are nothing compared to Oblivion and GRAW2 last year, plus the fact of being alone.

However, every single problem that pushed Microsoft to undesirable sales this first half, is being aggressively addressed from August and on. New and more reliable consoles, killer and diverse lineup and more important, a price at reach for the masses are 3 key factors, from which 2 of them are dangerous weaknesses of its main competitor, being it Sony.

Said this, I'm starting to wonder if the question instead of Microsoft not breaking any records in this first half would be "Has Sony actually narrowed the breach at the pace everyone expected to?"... and even more important, and not forgetting there are still around 8 million behind, "How long it will be until Sony starts getting closer again?" Halo is due to be out this month, nad it's not even alone like in past years, and unless something goes horrendously wrong, I don't see them having the edge, even in worldwide numbers from now on.

[Kingofallpie]

That by the very definition is a "slump".

They are cutting back shipments, because they oversold, they aren't selling their over stocked units, they aren't depleting their supply.

They have had to downgrade their estimates.

My guess is 15 Million six months after the holidays. Not good.

But it's good you are admitting MS is manipulating people.

...?

MS, I believe, had no sales slump compared to the same time the year before. But they stuffed the HELL out of retail channels (at least a million consoles, probably far more) to hit their estimate. The retailers had plenty of consoles, so they didn't need to replenish stores practically at all for months on end. That's why MS shipped so few in that timeframe, not because of sagging sales.

But if you're saying that sales were sagging compared to the holidays, well duh, everything sells less after holidays.

[ghoulies]

Um, wait for the official NPD numbers? This happened last month by some analysts and it made so many people look like fools.

[reality]

In case you didn't know last month's Wii number.

"With teh killerapp bioshock M$ must reach 450k otherwise am fail. "But I didn't say that did I ?

Honestly, PS2 has constantly sold more or around 300k every month in its early years. If you want to be the market leader, you got to sell around that number. There is only one goalpost for the company that wants to reach 100million plus consoles sold, 300k my friend.


Then that means the ps3 will never be #1 right?...:) So, if ps3 doesn't sell 300k or more per month in its early years then that means ps3 will not be the leader?..

[GarthVaderUK]

Um, wait for the official NPD numbers? This happened last month by some analysts and it made so many people look like fools.

170,000 for July in the face of the PS3 price drop, the month before the 360 price drop, and during the month of the red ring PR disaster is indeed nothing to be sniffed at. I think that surprised a lot of folks, even me! August is definitely going to be a very good month for 360 sales, with heavy Madden 360 promotion, price cut and BioShock. September sees Halo 3's release. I've got to agree with Aquanox, the only way is up from this point.

[Lefein]

I think a lot of 360 fans want to make the PS3 their scapegoat for a lot of problems. You can't mention anything like the 360s slower adoption rate than the first Xbox without hearing "at least its doing better than the PS3".. It gets old.

Comparing the PS3 and 360 is just a race to the bottom. Both systems have had serious problems and until there is some maturity in the debate, nothing will ever be decided. I say to the Xbox fan, until your system can keep the momentum it has, please don't dangle the great wonders of early leads to people. To the PS3 fan, I say, please let Microsoft lay in their bed. There is nothing to be gained at this point by drawing comparisons between failure and bigger failure.

[GarthVaderUK]

I'd say that sounds very fair Lefein.

[Sino]

Then that means the ps3 will never be #1 right?...:) So, if ps3 doesn't sell 300k or more per month in its early years then that means ps3 will not be the leader?..

Not only early years but most of its life cycle, yes it has to reach that number month in and month out. I'm sure Microsot wasn't happy beating PS3 in sales, they want to beat that old PS2 number. But now they have a new target, Wii shows them 400k a month is possible in a usually dead month for gaming. Next XBOX going causal, believe.

[GarthVaderUK]

Next XBOX going causal, believe.

Kinda makes me worry a little for the next generation, everyone is going to be going after the new market Nintendo is uncovering. It probably shouldn't worry me though, there are more than enough traditional gamers around to ensure that the games I like are being made for years to come, but still...

[Zassk]

Forget the PS3. Why has the 360 sold less this year with more games, more polish to the games, more features on Live, and more users to convince their friends to buy or not to buy?


Because it was overdue for a price drop. The sales graph pretty much shows that the price should have dropped around March. It didn't, and sales suffered.

[Metal_Gear_Solid]

360 looks in good shape to me, come guys, its MS. 54 billion dollar company

[SuperiorIntellect]

We'll see the complete opposite of that article when Halo 3 drops and the shelves are barren of 360's.

[reality]

Not only early years but most of its life cycle, yes it has to reach that number month in and month out. I'm sure Microsot wasn't happy beating PS3 in sales, they want to beat that old PS2 number. But now they have a new target, Wii shows them 400k a month is possible in a usually dead month for gaming. Next XBOX going causal, believe.


I doesn't matter if Microsoft or whoever sells the most in a month to month basis in this generation, the truth is that is going to be really hard to sell as much as the ps2 ever did. I wouldn't count the Wii as the absolute winner yet, Microsoft and Sony have enough muscle to change things around. This generation is going to be really close. Just my opinion.

[GS kid]

To the Xbox 360 fans..... just cuz sales are the absolute f-ing obsession of the Sony fan, don't let yourself get baited into the sickness.

When are you guys gonna figure out that they are only baiting you?!!?! And if you have already figured that out.... then why do you open your big yaps and chomp on that bait anyways?!!?

Don't argue with people that are dead set on Microsoft coming out behind their console of choice. Just when I think the forum is starting to become a better place, the bell rings and preschool is in session once again.

And the same for people that bash on Sony and the PS3 with threads like how bad PS3 sales are or about Sony editing the Halo 3 page on wiki (in the trash where it f-ing belongs!) isn't helping things.

It's bad enough I gotta deal with it 24/7 from the Sony fans and now I gotta deal with you guys picking up their sickness!?!??!

Man...ENOUGH ALREADY! Be the better fan! You only undermine the quality of this section! :bang:

[admartian]

To the Xbox 360 fans..... just cuz sales are the absolute f-ing obsession of the Sony fan, don't let yourself get baited into the sickness.

Dude, you know that is stupid. All sides of the fanatic fanboy are obssessed with little things. Don't try to pin it on one side.

To the sensible PS fan: Don't let yourself get baited to GS kid, I know I did, but I took one for the team. Replying or even acknowledging it leads only to trouble.

[EncoreEncore]

When i read threads like this one, its like I'm hanging off the side of a slow spinning merry go round with a big stick in my hand, passing the rotting carcass of a dead horse that lying at the side of it, while the music played by the merry go round is a symphony of voice all screaming the same phrase..."Hit It again...Hit It again....Hit It Again"...

[arthur56k]

Dude, you know that is stupid. All sides of the fanatic fanboy are obssessed with little things. Don't try to pin it on one side.

To the sensible PS fan: Don't let yourself get baited to GS kid, I know I did, but I took one for the team. Replying or even acknowledging it leads only to trouble.
i think thatb Sony has it in them to go on and win the generation but if they lost, it wouldnt suprise me

[Novicegamer]

That by the very definition is a "slump".

They are cutting back shipments, because they oversold, they aren't selling their over stocked units, they aren't depleting their supply.

They have had to downgrade their estimates.

My guess is 15 Million six months after the holidays. Not good.

But it's good you are admitting MS is manipulating people.

HUH? A slump? have you checked the stock in stores? The manufacture dates are are July and August '07 (you can tell by opening the little flap on the box ;)). Sounds like a pretty tight manufacture to sales time frame to anyone giving it a little thought?

A little anti-MS are ya :rolleyes:. Bias is one thing, being disingeuious is bit over the top though.

[Andyourpoint]

HUH? A slump? have you checked the stock in stores? The manufacture dates are are July and August '07 (you can tell by opening the little flap on the box ;)). Sounds like a pretty tight manufacture to sales time frame to anyone giving it a little thought?

A little anti-MS are ya :rolleyes:. Bias is one thing, being disingeuious is bit over the top though.
Your right my 360 broke for the 4th time and i got a new hdmi prem from august 07. I hope this one lasts .....

[Aquanox]

I think a lot of 360 fans want to make the PS3 their scapegoat for a lot of problems. You can't mention anything like the 360s slower adoption rate than the first Xbox without hearing "at least its doing better than the PS3".. It gets old.

Comparing the PS3 and 360 is just a race to the bottom. Both systems have had serious problems and until there is some maturity in the debate, nothing will ever be decided. I say to the Xbox fan, until your system can keep the momentum it has, please don't dangle the great wonders of early leads to people. To the PS3 fan, I say, please let Microsoft lay in their bed. There is nothing to be gained at this point by drawing comparisons between failure and bigger failure.


At this point of both console's life, the original Xbox had sold around 6.5 million, whereas the Xbox 360 is near 12 millions. By the end of this year, the adoption rate of the Xbox 360 could easily be nearly double the original Xbox was.

Said this, sales is not the only field where the Xbox 360 will surpass its predecessor. Games and services will be too, and in this aspect the advantage will be even bigger than that in sales chartz... which in the end, is the most important thing to the gamer.

[Cooke_E_G]

Said this, I'm starting to wonder if the question instead of Microsoft not breaking any records in this first half would be "Has Sony actually narrowed the breach at the pace everyone expected to?"... and even more important, and not forgetting there are still around 8 million behind, "How long it will be until Sony starts getting closer again?" Halo is due to be out this month, nad it's not even alone like in past years, and unless something goes horrendously wrong, I don't see them having the edge, even in worldwide numbers from now on.

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 94,339 | 100,460 | 5,189,516 | 19,195,195
2. WII - 39,371 | 46,283 | 2,590,150 | 3,509,793
3. PSP - 22,196 | 26,089 | 1,369,666 | 5,901,795
4. PS3 - 18,068 | 16,393 | 661,922 | 1,119,480
5. PS2 - 14,280 | 15,139 | 546,074 | 20,700,933
6. 360 - 1,635 | 2,044 | 141,358 | 406,060
7. GBA - 474 | 651 | 45,770 | 15,343,849
8. NGC - 73 | 116 | 9,465 | 4,178,933

Some how I highly doubt that Halo 3 will increase sales there...or does your worldwide boundries stop at Hawaii and Road Island?

[Aquanox]

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 94,339 | 100,460 | 5,189,516 | 19,195,195
2. WII - 39,371 | 46,283 | 2,590,150 | 3,509,793
3. PSP - 22,196 | 26,089 | 1,369,666 | 5,901,795
4. PS3 - 18,068 | 16,393 | 661,922 | 1,119,480
5. PS2 - 14,280 | 15,139 | 546,074 | 20,700,933
6. 360 - 1,635 | 2,044 | 141,358 | 406,060
7. GBA - 474 | 651 | 45,770 | 15,343,849
8. NGC - 73 | 116 | 9,465 | 4,178,933

Some how I highly doubt that Halo 3 will increase sales there...or does your worldwide boundries stop at Hawaii and Road Island?

According to your reply, it seems that it's your boundaries which meet and end in Japan. I'm talking about worldwide sales as a grand total, not as individual charts for each country. In other words, just for you to get the point I'm trying to get across, I'm saying that despite the PS3 advantage in Japan from now until Christmas, I expect the Xbox 360 numbers in the grand total of worldwide to surpass the PS3's, which could result in a gap widening from 7-8 million to probably 9-10.

[Sockpuppet]

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 94,339 | 100,460 | 5,189,516 | 19,195,195
2. WII - 39,371 | 46,283 | 2,590,150 | 3,509,793
3. PSP - 22,196 | 26,089 | 1,369,666 | 5,901,795
4. PS3 - 18,068 | 16,393 | 661,922 | 1,119,480
5. PS2 - 14,280 | 15,139 | 546,074 | 20,700,933
6. 360 - 1,635 | 2,044 | 141,358 | 406,060
7. GBA - 474 | 651 | 45,770 | 15,343,849
8. NGC - 73 | 116 | 9,465 | 4,178,933

Some how I highly doubt that Halo 3 will increase sales there...or does your worldwide boundries stop at Hawaii and Road Island?


...and yet amazingly when PS3 owners contend sales fiogures, Japan becomes the 'world.'

[Andyourpoint]

Hardware - This Week | Last Week | YTD | LTD
1. NDS - 94,339 | 100,460 | 5,189,516 | 19,195,195
2. WII - 39,371 | 46,283 | 2,590,150 | 3,509,793
3. PSP - 22,196 | 26,089 | 1,369,666 | 5,901,795
4. PS3 - 18,068 | 16,393 | 661,922 | 1,119,480
5. PS2 - 14,280 | 15,139 | 546,074 | 20,700,933
6. 360 - 1,635 | 2,044 | 141,358 | 406,060
7. GBA - 474 | 651 | 45,770 | 15,343,849
8. NGC - 73 | 116 | 9,465 | 4,178,933

Some how I highly doubt that Halo 3 will increase sales there...or does your worldwide boundries stop at Hawaii and Road Island?

and yet ps3 is hardly doing as well as DS and wii have taken japan by storm

[XperienZ]

And yet another thread about sales that gets post after post after post after....

I'm sick of these on either "side" of the forum now, I've got a PS3, but I use this section because I'm tempted into buying a 360 too... I'd rather be reading proper news about releases, not watching epeen fights over what someone else decided to spend their money on, regardless of how it affects either product.

I don't care who wins... I don't even know how you'd decide on a winner to be perfectly honest, for the price of a few games you can have BOTH systems, so why is there a constant need from BOTH sets of "fans" to justify their purchase to everyone else? I'll never understand it.

/End rant

[skulpt]

Just out of curiosity though Aqua... Do you think MS is doing good this year when they cut expectations of shipments by over 70%? Do you think MS is doing better this year despite selling less 360s each month compared to last?

This article isn't about what they've done since launch... You're missing the whole point of this article. The whole point of this entire thread is what's MS done this year where their lead has shrunk.

Again, is shipments being cut by 70% and selling less every month compared to last year a good thing for MS? Why do you think they are selling less each month with the extra content and services you mention, the extra games, the longer time to develop games? You're spinning like a top here. Forget the PS3. Forget the Wii. Why is MS selling less 360s THIS year with apparently a lot more reasons to buy a 360 than last? And this is with zero shortages.

Brian





At this point of both console's life, the original Xbox had sold around 6.5 million, whereas the Xbox 360 is near 12 millions. By the end of this year, the adoption rate of the Xbox 360 could easily be nearly double the original Xbox was.

Said this, sales is not the only field where the Xbox 360 will surpass its predecessor. Games and services will be too, and in this aspect the advantage will be even bigger than that in sales chartz... which in the end, is the most important thing to the gamer.

[Aquanox]

Just out of curiosity though Aqua... Do you think MS is doing good this year when they cut expectations of shipments by over 70%? Do you think MS is doing better this year despite selling less 360s each month compared to last?

This article isn't about what they've done since launch... You're missing the whole point of this article. The whole point of this entire thread is what's MS done this year where their lead has shrunk.

Again, is shipments being cut by 70% and selling less every month compared to last year a good thing for MS? Why do you think they are selling less each month with the extra content and services you mention, the extra games, the longer time to develop games? You're spinning like a top here. Forget the PS3. Forget the Wii. Why is MS selling less 360s THIS year with apparently a lot more reasons to buy a 360 than last? And this is with zero shortages.

Brian

I think Microsoft was way too optimistic for the first half of 2007 probably because they didn't see the Wii phenomenon and reliability problems coming.

I also believe the Xbox 360 is still having a good performance overall and that it's set to surpass 2006Q3-Q4 performance this year.

Just for people to know, the last unofficial (yet quite precise lately) sales report of the two last weeks of August indicates that the Xbox 360 has outperformed the PS3 in USA in a range of 55%. I expect them to double this by the end of September, maintaining the difference through October, November and probably December.

Update: According to this article (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=97065), the Xbox 360 sales have been boosted 260 percent in UK thanks to the recent pricedrop.

[GarthVaderUK]

Again, is shipments being cut by 70% and selling less every month compared to last year a good thing for MS? Why do you think they are selling less each month with the extra content and services you mention, the extra games, the longer time to develop games? You're spinning like a top here. Forget the PS3. Forget the Wii. Why is MS selling less 360s THIS year with apparently a lot more reasons to buy a 360 than last? And this is with zero shortages.

Brian

Lack of price cut since launch in 2005. Lets see how things pan out after it.

[Cooke_E_G]

According to your reply, it seems that it's your boundaries which meet and end in Japan. I'm talking about worldwide sales as a grand total, not as individual charts for each country. In other words, just for you to get the point I'm trying to get across, I'm saying that despite the PS3 advantage in Japan from now until Christmas, I expect the Xbox 360 numbers in the grand total of worldwide to surpass the PS3's, which could result in a gap widening from 7-8 million to probably 9-10.

NO NO I was just stating that is ONE market that MS will NEVER own! (or Sony until the Wii slows) Umm isnt the 360 "grand total" of worldwide already higher then the PS3?

[Cooke_E_G]

I think Microsoft was way too optimistic for the first half of 2007 probably because they didn't see the Wii phenomenon and reliability problems coming.

I also believe the Xbox 360 is still having a good performance overall and that it's set to surpass 2006Q3-Q4 performance this year.

Just for people to know, the last unofficial (yet quite precise lately) sales report of the two last weeks of August indicates that the Xbox 360 has outperformed the PS3 in USA in a range of 55%. I expect them to double this by the end of September, maintaining the difference through October, November and probably December.

Update: According to this article (http://www.ps3forums.com/showthread.php?t=97065), the Xbox 360 sales have been boosted 260 percent in UK thanks to the recent pricedrop.


Sorry for double post but I just have to laugh at this ****! You are to **** funny! SO one game drops (Halo 3) and sales go up 55% for 4 months after? (Based on PS3 sales of course!) hmmm I dont see how you figure that out but ok!

Edit: I predict the PS3 to oputperform ~60+% more the the 360 for then next...well forever! But Japan doesnt coutn for sales so I should shut my mouth :(

[Novicegamer]

Just out of curiosity though Aqua... Do you think MS is doing good this year when they cut expectations of shipments by over 70%? Do you think MS is doing better this year despite selling less 360s each month compared to last?

This article isn't about what they've done since launch... You're missing the whole point of this article. The whole point of this entire thread is what's MS done this year where their lead has shrunk.

Again, is shipments being cut by 70% and selling less every month compared to last year a good thing for MS? Why do you think they are selling less each month with the extra content and services you mention, the extra games, the longer time to develop games? You're spinning like a top here. Forget the PS3. Forget the Wii. Why is MS selling less 360s THIS year with apparently a lot more reasons to buy a 360 than last? And this is with zero shortages.

Brian

Of course their lead shrunk. They had no competition until November '06. Selling one PS3 or Wii would have shrunk the lead (statistically). They are selling fewer consoles because there is competition now. Also, console sales fluctuate all of the time. No console/product sells more than the month/year before on a consistent basis. It's market fluctuation and it occurs with every product.

There was a increase with the price cut and there will be another increase when Halo 3 launches and yet another on this Christmas season. But in between those spikes is a natural fluctuation. I don't think Aqua is the one spinning here. ;)

[Aquanox]

Just for information purposes. Halo 2 boosted the original Xbox sales by 233% in the US when it was released. I wouldn't expect that kind of boost this time since back then, it was released in November whereas now it is scheduled for September.

Said this, a 50% of increase in Worldwide sales from late September to December looks like a very moderated prediction.

Microsoft's plan makes all sense. November and December have always experienced serious boost Halo or not. It seems that they're trying to have expand this boost to October, taking advantage of Halo 3 release.

[dead_zen]

HUH? A slump? have you checked the stock in stores? The manufacture dates are are July and August '07 (you can tell by opening the little flap on the box ;)). Sounds like a pretty tight manufacture to sales time frame to anyone giving it a little thought?

A little anti-MS are ya :rolleyes:. Bias is one thing, being disingeuious is bit over the top though.

It has nothing to do with remanufacturing units and issuing whats known as a "silent recall" with the upgraded heat sinks.

It has nothing to do with bias. It has everything to do with honesty. Something MS hasn't been forthcoming with as of late have they?

And it's still not the "Falcon". So it's still a crap shoot on the quality of the unit.


No real slump in sales, MS just stuffed retail channels before Christmas 2006 to hit their 10 mil console shipped goal. Retailers already had tons in stock, so they didn't order more.

That's the manipulation. They haven't had a 12 million adoption rate. They've had 12 million units shipped to store shelves.

The reason retailers had tons in stock is because of overstuffing the channels so they could have something to crow about when they reached 10 million, which they officially didn't reach until a month or two after the holidays.

This isn't bias, this isn't some anti-MS agenda. It's looking at the way Microsoft is reacting to the market, and better yet, how the consumer is reacting to Microsoft.

[skulpt]

With this fuzzy rationality though, you can write off any numbers. Why has the 360 been selling less EVERY month for the last 5-6 months and or longer? Not just 1 month. 6 months worth of numbers is more significant than just this 1 week 260% jump that some on these boards have praised. ;)

Brian




Of course their lead shrunk. They had no competition until November '06. Selling one PS3 or Wii would have shrunk the lead (statistically). They are selling fewer consoles because there is competition now. Also, console sales fluctuate all of the time. No console/product sells more than the month/year before on a consistent basis. It's market fluctuation and it occurs with every product.

There was a increase with the price cut and there will be another increase when Halo 3 launches and yet another on this Christmas season. But in between those spikes is a natural fluctuation. I don't think Aqua is the one spinning here. ;)

[Rubenov]

With this fuzzy rationality though, you can write off any numbers. Why has the 360 been selling less EVERY month for the last 5-6 months and or longer? Not just 1 month. 6 months worth of numbers is more significant than just this 1 week 260% jump that some on these boards have praised. ;)

Brian

Not true, sales went down since January up until May, and then they picked back up in June again. (It sold 198,000 on a 5-week period according to NPD, better sales week-by-week than in previous months)