View Full Version : Halo 3 coincide with PS3 Release?
Epsilon-Zero
02-27-2005, 05:39
http://xbox.ign.com/articles/591/591818p1.html
Halo 3 In Production
Yes, we have news about Halo 3. IGN learned last week while drinking secretly imported beers with its informants that Microsoft is prepared for the battle of its life in this upcoming console war. From what we understand, Bungie is hard at work on, not so surprisingly, Halo 3, which will be ready day and date with the launch of PlayStation 3.
So, while Bungie said it's working on something else, well, we have different news. Sure, the smart creative guys at Bungie are working on something else, but you had better bet your bottom dollar they're also working on the next Halo. The release of Halo 3 at the precise launch of PS3 is a pure, military tactical move, similar to the PS2's greatest lineup ever launching simultaneously with the launch of the Xbox and GameCube. It's designed to counter Sony's upcoming launch with the best weapon Earth has on its side, Master Chief. Go, John 17, go! Save Earth from Sony!
just wow....lol. Is it possible? Could very well be, sounds like something on microsofts wish list of weapons to take a stab at sony. But the development time seems short unless they plan on using Halo2s engine and scale it up to the xbox 2.
Chaotic_King
02-27-2005, 06:39
It would hardly help. The PS3 is the successor to two of the most popular consoles ever. If anything, the PS3 release might affect Halo 3 sales :twisted: :D
Please, Halo2 was enough to help the Xbox outsell the PS2 this holiday. On top of that, Halo2 took the #3 best selling game of this generation and is still racking up sales. This while being on a console with only 1/4th the market penetration of the leader.
Halo anything would help the Xbox2 sell. Will it hurt the PS3 sales, I doubt it. PS3 will sell out no matter what they do.
Will it help to ensure that Xbox2 also sells out that holiday season, ohh yea. It will do all but guarentee that will happen.
Once again, it is all about the games. Which is more important, the console or the game. There is no way the PS3 release will hamper Halo sales. The only thing that could hamper Halo sales is if Sony could somehow get a FPS at the Launch of the PS3 that would so outshine Halo that people wanted it more. Unless they get Half Life 3 exclusive at launch, that isn't going to happen.
Chaotic_King
02-27-2005, 13:07
But Sony still is supposedly having Insomniac create an FPS for launch with the console. Hopefully it does well.
Dont forget about Guurilla too and their new FPS.
mckmas8808
02-27-2005, 15:27
This is great for M$. Now don't get it twisted I'm a Sony guy for life, but you gotta give credit where credit is due. M$ is hanging in there and if this(Halo3 being released the same day as the PS3) becomes reality then M$ is basically saying we are here in this business forever and move over b*t*h. I respect them for doing this, no I love that they are doing this. Now if Sony execs. here this news they will get on the ball to ensure us "Playstation lovers" will receive a FPS just as if not better than Halo3.
I love competition. Bring it on M$. If I worked for Sony I would be getting so hyped right now. I would be jumping up and down throwing my fists like a boxer in the ring warming up. I can't wait. I love it. :)
i completely agree. I dont think some sony fanboys get it that competition IS GOOD. just imagine if sony had a sort of monopoly on the gaming industry. That would not be fun at all for anyone. KUDOS to Microsoft and i really really hope they can pull this one off.
Anno competition is like a boxing match but lets not go there, I wouldnt give MS kudos either, but all i would say is Bill's Army bring it on! 8)
bustabusta196
02-27-2005, 18:40
Everyones getting mad saying oh the xbox 2 will suck or the Ps3 will flop.. but really regardless if your a fanboy for either console you should be happy the other one exist.. cause im more then sure that if the other wasnt putting up the competition we wouldnt be hearing about half of the ideas that are coming up this generation. Online what??? Xbox Live originated this BIG time then Sony started to take shape for online. HardDrive what??? Microsoft made it a big key component in the xbox and Sony started working on it aswell.
I wonder if next generation.. that since Microsoft has always been a Broadband only system for online gaming that.. Sony will take this way too.
Chaotic_King
02-27-2005, 20:26
Everyones getting mad saying oh the xbox 2 will suck or the Ps3 will flop.. but really regardless if your a fanboy for either console you should be happy the other one exist.. cause im more then sure that if the other wasnt putting up the competition we wouldnt be hearing about half of the ideas that are coming up this generation. Online what??? Xbox Live originated this BIG time then Sony started to take shape for online. HardDrive what??? Microsoft made it a big key component in the xbox and Sony started working on it aswell.
I wonder if next generation.. that since Microsoft has always been a Broadband only system for online gaming that.. Sony will take this way too.
Sony had always said that the PS3 would be broadband only.
i completely agree. I dont think some sony fanboys get it that competition IS GOOD. just imagine if sony had a sort of monopoly on the gaming industry. That would not be fun at all for anyone. KUDOS to Microsoft and i really really hope they can pull this one off.
I have no problem with competition. I personally wouldn't mind if Sony had a monopoly on the gaming industry. Doesn't Microsoft have the same in another certain market? Actually, you know what, maybe Sony should just drop out of the console market. Then, we can all cheer for Microsoft! :roll:
(It's a rant, I'm angry, and I dislike Microsoft even more than usual :twisted: )
bustabusta196
02-27-2005, 20:33
Sony had always said that the PS3 would be broadband only.
Sorry never read anywhere that PS3 would be BB only.. Could you provide a link? just wondering.
mckmas8808
02-27-2005, 21:50
Yeah gotta love competition. Remember Nintendo started consoles with analog sticks and rumble packs. Now us Sony fans have them, thankyou Nintendo. :D
Chaotic_King
02-27-2005, 22:02
Sony had always said that the PS3 would be broadband only.
Sorry never read anywhere that PS3 would be BB only.. Could you provide a link? just wondering.
Ok, so I jumped the gun on that one. :cry:
http://www.ps3gamers.net/news12_Two_versions_of_the_Playstation_3.html
Please, Halo2 was enough to help the Xbox outsell the PS2 this holiday. On top of that, Halo2 took the #3 best selling game of this generation and is still racking up sales. This while being on a console with only 1/4th the market penetration of the leader.
Halo anything would help the Xbox2 sell. Will it hurt the PS3 sales, I doubt it. PS3 will sell out no matter what they do.
Will it help to ensure that Xbox2 also sells out that holiday season, ohh yea. It will do all but guarentee that will happen.
Once again, it is all about the games. Which is more important, the console or the game. There is no way the PS3 release will hamper Halo sales. The only thing that could hamper Halo sales is if Sony could somehow get a FPS at the Launch of the PS3 that would so outshine Halo that people wanted it more. Unless they get Half Life 3 exclusive at launch, that isn't going to happen.
The Halo series are great fps games for consoles and in my opinion(and many others) rank up very high in the console fps category. With the increase of popularity with the fps genre among gamers, I think both MS and Sony are going to try to get some flagship fps titles aboard. With that in my mind, MS will most likely draw it's fps games from PC expierenced developers while Sony will draw it's future fps games from most likely console developers, unless MS picks up console developer support like they did with Rare. This inference is based upon where these two company's get thier developer relationships from. While the PC market has long been saturated with fps games and the developers have gotten pretty smart with knowing how to design them, I think some developers on the console side of the fence have the goods to make mega-hits too. I'm personally betting that in this generation Sony is going to reach deep in thier pocket and pull out one of thier best developers to try to craft a Halo-killer. Each one that has been mentioned as possibly developing a fps for Sony has the team to maybe outplace Bungie. Naughty Dog has the technical smarts to make a great looking fps and Insomniac has already made a couple of good shooting games with decent multiplayer. It will also be interesting to see how Bungie uses the Xbox2 engine and how Halo 3 will translate to it. Depending on how advance Xbox2 is, Bungie may have to reinvent Halo3 to put thier game above the crop. This may not translate well to the fans who felt that Halo2 should have taken a different direction. Giving Halo3 the sure bet to to sell Xbox2s and become the next fps king on the next genration is not a sure bet. The biggest suprise may come out of all if one of Xbox2's exclusive developers like Rare will top Halo.
just wow....lol. Is it possible? Could very well be, sounds like something on microsofts wish list of weapons to take a stab at sony. But the development time seems short unless they plan on using Halo2s engine and scale it up to the xbox 2.
They just might... I remember hearing about Halo 2.5, they said that they were simply going to add onto Halo 2 and that it was because they couldn't put in everything they wanted to into Halo 2.
Perhaps this Halo 2.5 is actually going to be Halo 3? :?
So what do you think will sell more quantities of in that month? Halo3 or PS3?
lol that might be closer then you think.
actually I don't see this helping X-Box2 at all, in my mind they got to get PS2 users BEFORE PS3 release, after PS3 release it is too late IMO.
Unlike Halo2, (which sold alot more X-Box consoles), I highly doubt people that don't have X-Box2 when PS3 is released would purchase X-Box2 just for Halo3. Mainly becuase Halo is a Microsoft exclusive, and Microsoft fans will be the main followers of the series, and they will have already purchased the X-Box2 by this point.
I personally think it would benefit X-Box2 more if they got Halo3 out at launch or before release of PS3 to try and steal some Sony players... but by time PS3 is released that will be too late.
bustabusta196
02-28-2005, 21:46
Im sure there is a major reason why xbox is outselling the Ps2 lately is because everyone and there dog has a Ps2.. and everyone knows how bad *** of a game Halo2 is so they spent there money on a 150 dollar console and picked up a really great game.. and found out wow xbox is pretty good.
mckmas8808
02-28-2005, 21:58
Is it still outselling the PS2? If it is do you have any sources or links? And the whole everyone has a PS2 thing I don't think that it's realiable. Sony can steal Xbox or Gamecube owners and vice versa, so don't use that excuse. I am a playstation fan and you will never hear me say that.
bustabusta196
02-28-2005, 22:00
I cant find the site that had it but im sure if you wanna find out and see if im lieing itll pop up.. but this holiday season Microsoft outsold PS2 i think 2 or 3 months straight. Call me a liar but im just reiterating what i read.
mckmas8808
02-28-2005, 22:04
Yeah thats right. Exactly right, but the reason they outsold the PS2 is because Sony had a shortage of the new PStwo and M$ took perfect advantage of that situation (which I would have done too.)
Also I don't think you understand my statement. I agree Halo2 sold more X-Box systems then any other single x-Box game, but that being said, that question is is it right to release Halo3 with release of PS3.
Even after Halo2 selling more X-Box consoles, they still ahve about 1/4 the consoles as PS2, so that is their user base, now that being said don't you think they should try to get a larger user base BEFORE release of PS3?
How many people who do not currentley own an X-Box (over 100 million gamers counting PS2 & Nintendo), or Halo 1 or 2, are going to buy an X-Box2 instead of PS3 becuase they release on same date? That number has got to be very very small, instead I believe they should try to steal Sony gamers before PS3 release becuase if they wait till PS3 release to try and steal I believe that will be too late.
Trust me when I say they have more than enough lined up for before the PS3 launches to try to take console share.
Also your "100 Million" is misleading at best.
Consider that most people own at least 2 of their primary console and over 20% of gamers are multi-console owners.
To top it off, I have seen some independantly gathered data that points to the following at least in the US
Over 85% of PS2 only owners would consider purchasing Xbox2. Same percent of Xbox only owners would consider PS3. Nintendo, well, lets just say I feel really sorry for them.
While you get the fact that Xbox has only sold 1/4th of what the PS2 has sold, you have repeatedly ignored the fact that in all the major territories Xbox has increased steadly year over year in sales. To the point of which it has been tying or close to tying PS2 on a monthly basis in the US, UK, and Australia.
If MS does launch Halo3 when the Ps3 launches it will be part of a bigger marketing effort, not just one game. It will most likely be focused at showing gamers what the Xbox2 has now compared to what the PS3 has at launch. Showing them that they can either get a great system plus dozens of great games and the all new hit game Halo3, or get a brand new system with almost no game library yet.
Evolution
03-01-2005, 00:09
Whereas I will get all the next-gen consoles with no view of fanboyism at all. Ill get Halo 3 when released, whether its near the release of the PS3 or not.
How many people who do not currentley own an X-Box (over 100 million gamers counting PS2 & Nintendo), or Halo 1 or 2, are going to buy an X-Box2
You have to consider that some people wont bother getting a X-Box because they feel that they might as well wait until the X-Box ? arrives.
bustabusta196
03-01-2005, 00:39
Xbox2... Gold
Halo3... Even more Gold
Im just cant wait to play Xbox 2 lol.. All im waiting for is EB to official announce pre-orders for Xbox 2 and im taking my 5 bucks and putting a down payment.. Regardless of what microsoft says. Never bought a Playstation before and dont see in buying one anytime soon.
Epsilon-Zero
03-01-2005, 01:05
All things considered i think this supposed Halo 3 strategy will only work if the game blows away anything the PS3 has at launch.
I mean if i was an uninformed consumer and knew really nothing about previose versions of both MS and Sony's consoles, i would be looking first for what was the most visually stunning, and second what kind of gameplay experience does each offer.
Like a good consumer who waits and shops around ide wait until both major consoles were released so i could compare the two of them. So when both were finally released i could look at them for myself and make a decision.
On microsofts side there would be (presumably) a larger library of games because it had been out longer, but the flip side of that is that the games could look slightly less in graphical quality compared to the PS3. (Just a guess given that the xbox 2 is supposed to release 1 Month to a Year before the PS3) The PS3 while looking slightly better will probably not have as many games in its entire library on launch day as the Xbox has in its library on that day. So both are fairly even at this point depending on if the person favors games to graphics or graphics to games.
So the one thing that could throw the balance off to a consumer is a killer AAA title like Halo3. Something like this could easily sway those who were sitting on the fence between the two consoles. Ofcourse Sony still has plenty of time yet to start development of its own killer AAA launch title to counter such a thing. So really its going to come down to who has the best gameplay experience across its titles if everything falls into place.
Last i checked Sony still didnt have a deffinite "Halo-Killer" on the books, so in this situation I think Halo 3 could very well slow Sonys launch. :|
Also your "100 Million" is misleading at best.
Consider that most people own at least 2 of their primary console and over 20% of gamers are multi-console owners. How exactly is 100 million number missleading? What do you define as "most" people own 2 of their primary console? I would say that would be very "misleading" and flat out wrong (becuase "most" means for then 50%, and I know that number does not exist.). 20% of gamers being multi-console sounds kinda high but it could be, I have never seen any definitive numbers on that. Even if it is a Majority of gamers own one console, and in only one quantity.
While you get the fact that Xbox has only sold 1/4th of what the PS2 has sold, you have repeatedly ignored the fact that in all the major territories Xbox has increased steadly year over year in sales. To the point of which it has been tying or close to tying PS2 on a monthly basis in the US, UK, and Australia. I have not ignored this "fact". Problem is this is very "misleading", becuase it only includes one of the three major markets. As we have gone over time and time again, bottom line still does not change x-box has 1/4 the consoles as PS2.
If MS does launch Halo3 when the Ps3 launches it will be part of a bigger marketing effort, not just one game. It will most likely be focused at showing gamers what the Xbox2 has now compared to what the PS3 has at launch. Showing them that they can either get a great system plus dozens of great games and the all new hit game Halo3, or get a brand new system with almost no game library yet. I agree that Microsft better promot more then Halo3 if they plan to counter PS3 launch with that, becuase by that time one game will not make the difference as you are well aware. I think assuming PS3 will have "almost no game library" at launch is "misleading" and a very bad assumption.
I agree that existing X-Box users (like Evolution and bustabusta) will be happy to see Halo3 and X-Box2, but that is not what Microsoft needs (unless they are contect to have 1/4 the market).
If they plan on releasing Halo3 at same time of PS3 launch there market is not existing X-Box or Halo gamers, but Sony gamers, and I question wether that is a good strategy or not.
If you honestley think releasing Halo3 at same time as PS3 launch would "slow" PS3 launch, I would highly disagree. If anything the lack of the title game on X-Box2 prior to PS3 launch would not enitice too many Sony or Nintendo gamers to jump onto that system, but just wait for "their" system and games they know.
bustabusta196
03-01-2005, 01:38
Yes but what has already happened.. this generation where Ps2 has more games then Xbox when xbox released.. although they didnt look as good as the Xbox games.. people still bought the PS2 right??? and have you not noticed that like over 1,000,000 people pre-ordered halo2 and on the first day says i cant remember how many but im sure Siren can tell you that Halo2 sold 5,000,000 and its not even a year old.. or something like that.. so Halo3 will definetly be an influence regardless of if the person knows about the other 2 versions or not.. not if you know but if you been to Ilovebees.com before Halo2 was released that site had 1000's of hits daily. Dont know if the site still remains up. But it was crazy what was going on with the Buzz about Halo2.
Chaotic_King
03-01-2005, 04:04
Trust me when I say they have more than enough lined up for before the PS3 launches to try to take console share.
You mean in terms of software? How much of that is exclusive to the Xenon? I doubt all that many. Next, you don't know anymore about the PS3 than we do. Do you know when it's launching in Japan? What if it launches at the beginning of 2006? (January) Is Microsoft sitll going to have enough before the PS3 tries to take console share? Do you know which developers are developing for the PS3?
Consider that most people own at least 2 of their primary console and over 20% of gamers are multi-console owners.
To top it off, I have seen some independantly gathered data that points to the following at least in the US
Over 85% of PS2 only owners would consider purchasing Xbox2. Same percent of Xbox only owners would consider PS3. Nintendo, well, lets just say I feel really sorry for them.
They'd consider purchasing the Xenon. Well, that doesn't mean much. If (and I hope it is), the PS3 is more powerful than the Xenon, all Sony has to do is easily keep reminding that fact to everyone. They could even kill 2 birds with one stone, hype the PSP, as a way to captivate the majority of PS2 owners, and also, at the end of each commercial, ad, etc. etc. mention, "Next Playstation, 2006, are you ready for the next evolution" or something like that. Majority of people I know, wouldn't purchase both the PSP and Xenon all in the same year.
While you get the fact that Xbox has only sold 1/4th of what the PS2 has sold, you have repeatedly ignored the fact that in all the major territories Xbox has increased steadly year over year in sales. To the point of which it has been tying or close to tying PS2 on a monthly basis in the US, UK, and Australia.
Total hardware sales (30 Dec 2002 - 28 Dec 2003)
5 Xbox 97,000
http://game-science.com/news/000324.html
Total Hardware Sales (2004-2005)
7 Xbox 36,064
http://game-science.com/news/000972.html
That's from Famitsu.
If MS does launch Halo3 when the Ps3 launches it will be part of a bigger marketing effort, not just one game. It will most likely be focused at showing gamers what the Xbox2 has now compared to what the PS3 has at launch. Showing them that they can either get a great system plus dozens of great games and the all new hit game Halo3, or get a brand new system with almost no game library yet.
You are assuming that the PS3 won't have much of a game library. Do you also forget the fact, that most of the games that have been announced so far, are not Xenon exclusive? Do you also forget the fact, that Sony will also be working hard on getting titles for launch? Look at the PSP, almost half of the games being released at launch are from Sony. Now, if Sony continues the effort with the PS3, launching with plenty of titles of their existing franchises, add Insomniac's possible new FPS (Halo-Killer :wink: ), Team Bondi's game, plenty of Japanese titles, I don't see the library being small.
3 major territories
US
EU
Japan/Asian Pacific
While the Xbox is not selling particularly well in Japan. It has been doing quite well in Korea in particular. In all of the Asian Pacific are it has sold over 2 Million systems at last count I saw.
I have no doubt in my mind that the PS3 will have a fantastic lineup. I am sure that Naughty Dog in particular will have at least one title at launch that will blow people away. It's just that Sony has put developers under the same presure that they have been under every game console launch. Roughly 1 year of real development. The Xbox2 on the other hand has upped the ante. They have given developers a solid 2 - 3 years of game development time. This can only lead to longer, richer, more involving titles.
You are way too obsessed with the PS3 being more powerful. If nothing else, we should take away from this generation and last that power really means nothing. It is all about the games.
On a final note, I full expect the PS3 to launch in Japan between January and March 2006. I also expect them to launch in the US and possibly Europe in Fall/Winter 2006. I also expect that by their launch in the US the Xbox2 will have over 200 games on store shelves that on average have been in development for 2 1/2 - 3 1 /2 years. This is to comparision to Sony's launch with at most 50 titles that have been in development for at most 1 - 2 years.
If Sony did solely what you recommend, then they will (in my opinion) do a lot worse. The last thing they want to do is tell everyone the next generation has started. Tell everyone to wait for their hardware while Microsoft is telling everyone to come get the games now. Gamers are not patient people. Consider the lines that were blocks long at almost every game store the night Halo2 launched, or the night the PS2 came out, or the night the Xbox came out. I don't care what Sony does advertising wise, they will not stop those gamers from buying the games that are out now.
Chaotic_King
03-01-2005, 12:52
3 major territories
US
EU
Japan/Asian Pacific
While the Xbox is not selling particularly well in Japan. It has been doing quite well in Korea in particular. In all of the Asian Pacific are it has sold over 2 Million systems at last count I saw.
I'm not talking about Asian Pacific, I'm talking about Japan. Just like how you are talking about the US instead of North America. Don't sugarcoat it, the Xbox is selling horribly in Japan, it's one of the biggest flops in Japan. The PSP, in about a month, outsold the Xbox's current Japan userbase.
I have no doubt in my mind that the PS3 will have a fantastic lineup. I am sure that Naughty Dog in particular will have at least one title at launch that will blow people away. It's just that Sony has put developers under the same presure that they have been under every game console launch. Roughly 1 year of real development. The Xbox2 on the other hand has upped the ante. They have given developers a solid 2 - 3 years of game development time. This can only lead to longer, richer, more involving titles.
They have given "some" developers a solid 2-3 years of development time. Team Ninja announced after E3 of last year that they haven't started development on DOA4, and they'd most likely start later in the year. That would mean they would have had one year of development, assuming the Xenon comes out in one year. Last year, the reports were that Sony had given Insomniac a big budget to create something for launch. Assuming it's true, that would mean they would have nearly 2 years of development time. Team Bondi, formed by one of the developers of SCEE, have already begun development on their PS3. KOEI already announced 'Oni' for the PS3 last year, they've already begun development time, meaning even if the PS3 launches early next year, they've had more than a year.
You are way too obsessed with the PS3 being more powerful. If nothing else, we should take away from this generation and last that power really means nothing. It is all about the games.
I'm not obsessed with the PS3 being more powerful. I'm just saying, that if it's true, that is one big advantage to Sony.
On a final note, I full expect the PS3 to launch in Japan between January and March 2006. I also expect them to launch in the US and possibly Europe in Fall/Winter 2006. I also expect that by their launch in the US the Xbox2 will have over 200 games on store shelves that on average have been in development for 2 1/2 - 3 1 /2 years. This is to comparision to Sony's launch with at most 50 titles that have been in development for at most 1 - 2 years.
I also expect that more than half of those games will appear on the PS3 at launch. Halo is considered one of the greatest games of this generation :roll: and how much development time did it have? By the time the PS2 hit the shelves, the Dreamcast had quite a lot of titles on it, and yet that still didn't matter.
If Sony did solely what you recommend, then they will (in my opinion) do a lot worse. The last thing they want to do is tell everyone the next generation has started. Tell everyone to wait for their hardware while Microsoft is telling everyone to come get the games now. Gamers are not patient people. Consider the lines that were blocks long at almost every game store the night Halo2 launched, or the night the PS2 came out, or the night the Xbox came out. I don't care what Sony does advertising wise, they will not stop those gamers from buying the games that are out now.
Gamers are not patient people? You mean, like how they weren't patient for the PS2? You mean, they all rushed out to get the Dreamcast? :roll: Oh please, the Xbox's launch wasn't anywhere as big as the PS2s or Halo 2s.
They have given "some" developers a solid 2-3 years of development time. Team Ninja announced after E3 of last year that they haven't started development on DOA4, and they'd most likely start later in the year. That would mean they would have had one year of development, assuming the Xenon comes out in one year.
Bungie said that they weren't working on another Halo for a while either. They had "other" projects to work on...surprise surprise they weren't telling the truth. They dont have to tell the truth, they could say that they are working on HALO 3-6 and it wouldn't have any effect on what they are actually doing.
And no matter how you want to look at it, DEV kits out for MS longer means more and better games for MS. That is just a fact. If more people have mor time to work on more games, then you will get more finished product faster. That is just the way it works. This is not an opinion, it is math
2 years is more than 1 year. If developers spend two years on a games instead of one year, the game will be better.
And releasing first in not some sort of weakness for MS. Sony being second is a serious problem for them.
Average consumer joe goes to the story cause he heard the new consoles are out. He wants to buy a new playstation. The new playstation isn't out yet, so he asks best buy worker when it is coming out. Best buy worker says "i dunno" He buys XBOX and 2 games because he is there and was ready to spend money anyway. he plays those games and is so awstruck as to how much better it is than what he now owns, he is happy with purchase.
He then tells all his friends how great the XBOX is, and then POW, you have just stolen 3 customers from Sony.
This is exactly what Sony does NOT want to happen. Sony does NOT want people to know that there is any reason to go to the store. Sony wants people to think that xbox is just hyping up themselves to somepete, and that the new hardware isn't out until SONY says that it is.
Advertising is on MS side, and so is time.
Epsilon-Zero
03-02-2005, 02:57
dont compare apples and oranges. the dreamcast had many other issues with it that neither sony or microsoft share with its consoles that we have already discussed in anouther topic. Also the wait between the dreamcast and the release of the ps2 in the US was less than 6 months.
This is a bareable wait time compared to holding out a whole year after the PS2 was released for Xbox made by a company who has no experience in console gaming. Nintendo made the same mistake too with the gamecube thinking Nintendo loyalists would be patient enough to last a whole year after the PS2 launch.
I know i didnt last a year, hell i didnt last a week :lol: I got my PS2 a month after its launch. I had to fight a wal-mart employee for it because he snatched it off the shelf. :twisted: I dont even think i knew what xbox was at the time or maybe i did but just didnt care because it was a year off and by that time ide have enough money to buy one. I think i was more interested in gamecube back then :?
PS Gamer
03-02-2005, 03:02
IMHO, they should just stoped with Halo 2....I think that Halo 3 will kill the series....its happened to all great games...I mean after the second game they weren't as good...though having a graphics upgrade....I mean look at Dynasty Warriors....the first 2 where spectacular and awesome and fun....3 came out and it was just improved graphics and a new story...then 4 came out...it just got really repetative....so I think that creating a new Halo will kill the series. Another statement for fact is that MS doesn't have a clue on when the PS3 is coming out so how can they know when to ship Halo 3?
Chaotic_King
03-02-2005, 03:20
More development time does not necessarily mean a better game. But for the sake of argument, if most of these games are ported over to the PS3, would that not mean they would have had the 2+ years of development as well? I mean, EA has already announced they are working on the PS3 and Xenon, the majority of the big publishers, I assume, will be already in development for both, and most games on the Xenon, (Again, assumption) will appear on the PS3. You said that developers lie, right? Then how are you so sure that there are no developers that have been working on the PS3 for quite a while now?
The issue at hand is that developing the game engine takes a long time.
The Xbox2 and PS3 are extremely different in architecture, and the PS3 does not have quite the power advantage that Xbox had over PS2, so porting is out of the question.
They will have to write the engines from the ground up for each. Design it, test it, build it, ship it.
Yea, the overall content may be the same, and yes any story or FMV would be portable, but the extra development time with actual hardware will help a lot.
PS Gamer
03-02-2005, 03:27
The Xbox2 and PS3 are extremely different in architecture, and the PS3 does not have quite the power advantage that Xbox had over PS2, so porting is out of the question.
Thats not correct.....at standing points of right now and all the specs that we have gathered already you can easily say that PS3 has a big advantage over Xenon....The one big area is the processing with the Cell Chip....huge advantage right there. We don't know all the spec at this time so we still cannot tell...so we'll just have to wait for all the specs....hopefully by E3 or even sooner...
Chaotic_King
03-02-2005, 03:30
The issue at hand is that developing the game engine takes a long time.
The Xbox2 and PS3 are extremely different in architecture, and the PS3 does not have quite the power advantage that Xbox had over PS2, so porting is out of the question.
They will have to write the engines from the ground up for each. Design it, test it, build it, ship it.
Yea, the overall content may be the same, and yes any story or FMV would be portable, but the extra development time with actual hardware will help a lot.
You work for Sony now? Assuming that developers have received PS3 dev kits, if they already have the basics set, their extra development time is over a year. (I'm talking western developers here, Japanese devs, that's another story, since most will likely be working on the PS3 title, instead of having to worry about porting it over)
The Cell chip will most likely be more powerful than the Xbox CPU. Both are multicore/multithreaded architectures though. Both are built on a lot of the same principles with slightly different approaches. At best I would say the PS3 CPU will be twice as fast.
Then when we start talking GPU, Sony is going with nVidia, Microsoft with ATI. ATI is currently leading the pack on speed for GPU. This is on top of having a smaller chip that runs cooler. Even considering that the PS3 will be out 3 - 6 months after the Xbox2, at best you are looking at 15% difference.
There is just no way they can do what a lot of companies did with PS2 -> Xbox ports. Some of the games did nothing more than run in an emulation type layer.
Keep in mind that the difference in tech betweent the Xbox2 and PS3 is about 3 - 6 months. The Xbox and PS2 was about 20 months.
muchuukuri
03-02-2005, 15:24
Now, when you say "fast" you don't mean Hz right? You're talking overall power, I'm assuimg.
Abut the compaisons....XBox vs PS2 in terms of technology dating is not a really, well its an awful comparison. This would apply if both systems functioned under moore's law... XBox does, PS2 doesn't.
Again, the same thing applies to the next generation, while neither apply to Moore's law, boh system's run such DIFFERENT architecture comparing the 2 by dates isn't really all that indicative of anything. Granted maybe, big maybe to boot, as to which is more powerful, but surely, not the magnitude.
Now, if you want to argue based on what we know about the architecture, then I'd agree, but the numbers aren't finalized on either... so... umm... yeah. Nothing fun to say there -_-
RPGDreamer
10-05-2006, 15:42
Nyko Technology, the makers of the InterCooler for the Xbox 360, have announced the InterCooler for the PLAYSTATION 3. Like it's Xbox 360 counterpart, the PLAYSTATION 3 InterCooler will also use extra fans to cool down the console, and require no extra power supply.
The InterCooler is currently one of the Xbox 360's best-selling peripherals, ever since the console suffer from overheating issues at launch. The price of the PLAYSTATION 3 InterCooler is expected to be between $19.99 and $29.99, and it will most likely be available this December.
Sony has so far denied rumours that the PLAYSTATION 3 will suffer from overheating, and has claimed that hardware failures at the Tokyo Game Show were caused by game coding.
The PLAYSTATION 3 will launch on November 11th in Japan and on November 17th in North America.
Live: http://ps3land.com/article-815.php
Nyko Technology, the makers of the InterCooler for the Xbox 360, have announced the InterCooler for the PLAYSTATION 3. Like it's Xbox 360 counterpart, the PLAYSTATION 3 InterCooler will also use extra fans to cool down the console, and require no extra power supply.
The InterCooler is currently one of the Xbox 360's best-selling peripherals, ever since the console suffered from overheating issues at launch. The price of the PLAYSTATION 3 InterCooler is expected to be between $19.99 and $29.99, and it will most likely be available this December.
Sony has so far denied rumours that the PLAYSTATION 3 will suffer from overheating, and has claimed that hardware failures at the Tokyo Game Show were caused by game coding.
The PLAYSTATION 3 will launch on November 11th in Japan and on November 17th in North America.
Live: http://ps3land.com/article-815.php