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11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

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Originally Posted by Morganator

No, you haven't. The only thing you've ever mentioned was that Republicans don't appeal to everyone. You've never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Republicans for Independents and Libertarians. Not once. You've also never mentioned the disrespect and disregard of Democrats for Independents and Libertarians. Not once.

I have stated on more than one occasion that Paul's biggest problem is the republican party. You were just caught up in all the Ron Paulness to notice.You don't have to believe it but it's true. As far as as Democrats disregarding him. Can you blame them. The guy was never a threat to them because of the reason I gave already.(they knew he would never get anywhere because he wasn't extreme enough)

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[No. You're a closet Democrat in an Independent's clothes. Your stances on the vital issues of actual importance prove as much. Your posting is proof of it. But you're right, Paul will never be president. However, it wasn't because he was "kooky" or because his foreign policy was non-interventionist. It's because the man was disrespected, discounted and discarded by the media, GOP and Democrats alike. If you can't see that, than you've been willfully ignorant this past election. As for Paul's relevance, his message resonated with far more people than the establishment ever gave credit for. He polled better than Romney against Obama and actually beat Obama in most polls. He had the highest military contribution than all the other candidates, COMBINED. Paul was far from un-electable and deep down, you know damn well it's the truth. As for his age, at the age of 77, he is healthier than everyone else who ran. Your refusal to give due credit to the man says more about you than anything trivial you've posted and exposes you for what you really are, a closet Democrat.

I know why paul didn't get elected and never will. You need to get over the fact that not enough people care. You see how that Paul thread you created turned out right? Its time for you to get over it.
http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...paul%20nuclear
11-08-2012
DayWalker

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...97059403_n.jpg

:lol:
11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

Faux news is in denial. They said Candy Crowley disrupted Mitt's momentum....:lol:
11-08-2012
DayWalker

Candy... Sandy... Christie... women... minorities... math...

endless list.
11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=eX8tL3PMj7o

:lol:
11-08-2012
Bio

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Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

No, you're wrong. If Herman Cain ran, he would have won. It would have split the black votes that Obama survived on.

I agree that there was massive "pride" voting by African-Americans, but I think you're overestimating how much influence the black vote had overall. For one thing, Blacks aren't the majority of the US population by any means, so I don't see where you're going with that. Also, Obama's effect, both in '08 and '12, played across minorities in general (not just African-Americans), women, and youth who collectively would be taking his side for multiple reasons. And now there's the gay community, it seems.

So based on that, it seems highly unlikely that Herman Cain could win from black votes alone. The ONLY thing I could see that guy getting is the black pride vote (and not nearly as many of them)...and that's it. So I guess he would lose miserably..?

Racial voting played a significant part in this race, perhaps the greatest yet seen in America's history, but it was by no means the most definitive factor in terms of one particular group (racial or otherwise). If we have learned anything during these past years, it's that a more homogeneous America further obligates candidates to look toward every group. As it has been said in here already, Romney's gaffes and mind-changing alienated him from several of these groups and the white vote could not hold him up by itself.

I mean I get it, Obama is black and that allowed for a share of the many black votes, but he also had other surface-level attributes going for him that got people to consider him. He's not a boring old rich dude, he's a notably effective speaker, seems to be a likeable individual when you look beyond the political perspective, he really sells fundamental values in his speeches when it counts, even if he doesn't manage to live up to them in his efforts, and he appears to be a solid family man since nobody could dig up any dirt in that area. Right or wrong, people historically look at attributes like those, too, if I recall correctly, so those also drove his influence/votes beyond the black segment in both campaigns. If the GOP race for this campaign was any indication, Herman Cain is pretty much far less of or none of the above except black.
11-08-2012
Ixion

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Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

You see how that Paul thread you created turned out right? Its time for you to get over it.

Hey, I like Ron Paul. But Morg posted a ton of ridiculously long videos in that thread. No one was going to watch those. lol
11-08-2012
Bigdoggy

doesn't matter if Ron Paul didn't get it, what did happen was his voice was heard. A lot of people will take his thoughts and use some of them at least. He was also heard more by college kids, which also took what he said to heart. regardless on what people think about Ron Paul, he did open up a lot of people's eye's. Even that is an accomplishment in this world.
11-08-2012
hoverbike

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Originally Posted by Sub-stance1

http://images.sodahead.com/profiles/...paul%20nuclear

Now this image is ridiculous, almost like critics saying Ron Paul would be ok with Iran having a nuclear weapon.
11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

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Originally Posted by hoverbike

Now this image is ridiculous, almost like critics saying Ron Paul would be ok with Iran having a nuclear weapon.

Most of his critics are within his party though. I like Paul but I know he has issues with a lot of powerful conservatives.

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11-08-2012
hoverbike

Look everyone, I found Mitt Romney's picture from high school:

http://i50.tinypic.com/del9jm.png

:lol: :lol:
11-08-2012
three3-times

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Originally Posted by Ixion

Some interesting firsts with this election. This is the first time a President has be re-elected with less votes than the previous election. This is also the first time a President has been re-elected with the unemployment over 7.2%.

The latter is especially interesting. What makes Obama different than the other Presidents who had a poor economy? Could it be because the black vote would be for him regardless of his actions? I know that's not a politically correct thing of me to say, but with 93% of the black vote going to Obama, it's not a baseless assumption.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/06/496...oll-shows.html

Oh most defo. Do you really think us blacks care what he stands for? He could get caught smoking weeds and fucking kim kardashian with a tattoo of bin laden and they would still vote him in! We get a chance to have the most powerful man in the world.....and he is black! Thats all the motivation i would need to vote!

And i may have misheard this, but doesnt Romney stand for keep america, america? Isnt that summit the KKK say?

All jokes aside, as most of you are Americans, surely you should stand behind your president now? Of course he isnt gonna be able to fix all the problems but who could?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!
11-08-2012
hoverbike

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Originally Posted by hoverbike

Look everyone, I found Mitt Romney's picture from high school:

http://i50.tinypic.com/del9jm.png

:lol: :lol:

Just in case anyone missed it, Mitt Romney's high school photo discovered.
11-08-2012
-Kwesnoth-

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Originally Posted by hoverbike

Just in case anyone missed it, Mitt Romney's high school photo discovered.

Wow, it was a single post up. Did you really need to quote yourself.
11-08-2012
weskurtz81

Here's Obama and his parents...

http://www.obama-mccain.info/shared/...ndparents2.jpg
11-08-2012
F34R

LOL @ the last two pics posted in the thread lol.
11-08-2012
Yuuichi

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Originally Posted by three3-times

All jokes aside, as most of you are Americans, surely you should stand behind your president now? Of course he isnt gonna be able to fix all the problems but who could?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!

I can't stand behind a guy that really does nothing to support the military, bailed out companies with out letting them redo union contracts, let two American ambassadors die(something that hasn't happened since 1979), did 5.1 trillion in debt in just 4 years, but most all is supporting people on welfare more than the hard working people whose tax dollars pay for those on welfare.
11-08-2012
Ixion

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Originally Posted by Yuuichi

I can't stand behind a guy that really does nothing to support the military

What do you mean by this? Just curious.
11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

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Originally Posted by Yuuichi

I can't stand behind a guy that really does nothing to support the military, bailed out companies with out letting them redo union contracts, let two American ambassadors die(something that hasn't happened since 1979), did 5.1 trillion in debt in just 4 years, but most all is supporting people on welfare more than the hard working people whose tax dollars pay for those on welfare.

:liar:

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11-08-2012
weskurtz81

What's scares me the most is Biden is next in line if anything were to happen to Obama. I don't agree with a number of Obama's policies, but Biden is a loon!
11-08-2012
Ixion

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Originally Posted by weskurtz81

Biden is a loon!

Hey, he would definitely be an entertaining President!
11-08-2012
Sub-stance1

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Originally Posted by weskurtz81

What's scares me the most is Biden is next in line if anything were to happen to Obama. I don't agree with a number of Obama's policies, but Biden is a loon!

Yea, but you should be used to it by now. You've been scared for 4 years already.
11-08-2012
Yuuichi

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Originally Posted by Ixion

What do you mean by this? Just curious.

He has cut spending, now he is saying he is ending the war in Afghanistan the same thing he said two years ago, and talk about pulling the troops out, which again he started it two years ago but now saying he wants to do it. In Wisconsin and looks like Illinois military votes overseas will not be counted because they sent them out late, two states Obama won.

Oh and for the lulz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yv-...eature=related

(the embedding took to long)
11-08-2012
squirrelbo1

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Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

Then he is a lefty. You're not American, so it doesn't concern you...

It does because you are the most powerful nation on earth and our treaty obligations mean we pretty much follow you into all your stupid wars.

On the political scale he is not. Just because your politics is do skewed to the right doesn't make him a lefty or a socialist. That is akin to making the argument that a workers party is tight wing in the former soviet union. No its not, its still quite left. Just not as left as the communist party.

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Originally Posted by -Kwesnoth-

If we have the most power, there is no need to lower it to the standards of a country that might attack us.

Increase spending? No. Decrease spending? Not enough to weaken us significantly.

Still makes no sense that Obama disabled so many of our nukes.

O yeah because being able to blow the world up twice isn't enough.

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Originally Posted by Ixion

Some interesting firsts with this election. This is the first time a President has be re-elected with less votes than the previous election. This is also the first time a President has been re-elected with the unemployment over 7.2%.

The latter is especially interesting. What makes Obama different than the other Presidents who had a poor economy? Could it be because the black vote would be for him regardless of his actions? I know that's not a politically correct thing of me to say, but with 93% of the black vote going to Obama, it's not a baseless assumption.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/06/496...oll-shows.html

There was a good trend and in the swing states like Ohio employment was pretty decent.

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11-08-2012
-Kwesnoth-

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Originally Posted by squirrelbo1

It does because you are the most powerful nation on earth and our treaty obligations mean we pretty much follow you into all your stupid wars.

On the political scale he is not. Just because your politics is do skewed to the right doesn't make him a lefty or a socialist. That is akin to making the argument that a workers party is tight wing in the former soviet union. No its not, its still quite left. Just not as left as the communist party.

I suppose that is true, actions of war made by us do tend to create a "wave" of reactions by Brits.

lol tight wing :snicker. But no, his policies tend to make him lean more to the left side. Having the rich pay for the poor and all.

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