Because when the PS3 got announced, everyone was hoping for a better graphics card with more memory, and more RAM overall. But then we got something equivalent to a NVidia Geforce 7800GT with 256MB VRAM.
The HD 8870 has a rumored paper launch of Jan. 2013.
This is not going to be in the Xbox 720 since it taped out early this year and they are trying to fabricate enough for launch production early next year with rumored low yield problems. This indicates the Xbox 720 will have a HD 7XXX GPU.
Still think ATI is a long shot for the PS4 and Sony will wait for Maxwell early next year with a Japan launch in spring of 2014. It is not just about whether a new GPU is ready or not, it is about how fast it can get into production and yield. Quantity and quality are fundamental axioms of production engineering, despite gushing schoolboy emotions.
Sony could try developing its own GPU for the Playstation. Instead of using ATIs or Nvidias GPUs.
Going by what happened with Southern Islands, the 8XXX should be finished by Feb./March. If the Next xbox launches in November, that would mean that they still have 8 months till launch. I wouldn't expect to be producing final till 3, perhaps 4 months out from launch. Final design should be picked by early next year.
Even at worst, MS has until november to send out their final designs for mass manufacture given they launch @ 2013 holiday
"If production wafers are really going in this year, the last time a foundry can run a test wafer is about November 1. Anything after that day will not come out of the fab in time for the results to be fed back in to the production chips."
This is what has to happen to make a holiday 2013 launch. Considering this is a tapeout from around February, there is no way it has HD 89XX in it.
Everything is pointing to MS introducing the 720 for E313, meaning they need pre-production prototypes by then, if they plan a holiday 2013 launch. Sony probably won't do anything unless these events turn into more than a rumor, then they might rush a PS4 alpha devkit out on the stage.
So pretty much we're (a few of us anyways) are debunking this rumor based on the premise that NextBox projected launch doesn't fit in with the time needed to produce these GPUs and that Sony would more than likely slap us all silly with PS4 before then to get out ahead of the competition. (if i got the subtext wrong smack me:snicker)
I still wanna see PS4 with an 8xxx chip at this point to be honest. If this is just cooked up rumor pie I'm afraid I've sopped it all up at this point :blush2
Best choice to make is just to wait and see. (As usual.)
I was wondering, with such high numbers on these cards, the rumored 1.8 Teraflop GPU for PS4 and 1.2 TF Xbox 720 GPU are probably true.
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Tim Sweeny: Unreal Engine 4’s next-generation renderer targets DirectX 11 GPU’s and really starts to become interesting on hardware with 1+ TFLOPS of graphics performance, where it delivers some truly unprecedented capabilities.
LOL yeah I'd react the same way.
All we can do is wait until E3 2013. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft will present their new console, but couldn't there be a chance that Sony waits another year? I know it sounds a little far fetched, but think about it. I think they would do it if they have a specific plan that justifies or weighs out the additional time.
I am betting both systems get announced next year, but it wouldn't surprise me if Sony decided to a final unveiling at TGS 2013 instead of E3, but who knows! I just think if they wait until 2014 to release the system it is going to hurt them a lot more than it will help them.Quote:
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The TDP and wattage are very favourable to the console environment and you can bet that both MS and Sony knew about the 8000 series (maybe even 9000) before deciding on the final design
I would think Sony and Microsoft would have exclusive access to these newer chip designs before other people would just because of the magnitude of the consoles business, but like I have seen in the past it the dev kits that the developers currently have are probably running on the 7xxx series. I am willing to best both sides currently have or will have prototype chips in hand already for the new consoles if they are really planning on using the 8xxx series (which I hope they both do!).
Yeah I'm pretty sure that Oban SoC is for the 720. Going by that the rumored 1.2 Teraflop gpu on it seems likely
Well it is possible that MS/Sony are helping AMD, and the final 8xxx specs could be based off of/use design ques from whatever magical chip is part of this SOC (just thinking out loud)
I don't think Sony will use an off the shelf gpu. I think it will be a customised version, hopefully based on 8xxx tech, less heat more power, ideal for a console.
Considering that GPUs are designed well in advance it really isn't a surprise if we see GPUs based on 9xxx series on future consoles.
nvidia gave presentation about design of Maxwell? in 2011 and a 'proof of concept' about the Echelon project. (chip after Maxwell, Maxwell comes in 2014 and the Echelon in 2016?)
you know what would be cool if both consoles used the same gpu in the PS4 and 720.
then all thrid party games will be even. and when it comes to frist party games this is where sony is the best,
there frist party games look better then other consoles frist party games i hope they have a killzone 4 ready for the PS4 launch