Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

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Originally Posted by reasonable_doubt

Jonestown over 900 killed, guess what no guns involve. Plus Airplane killed 3000 ppl in 9- 11- 2001 let ban all airplanes.

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Just improve airport securities...
America was the only land which got attacks from their own stolen aircrafts. Its America, what else should i say?

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Originally Posted by TwentyThree

Tragic news this morning.
There is no easy solution for these kinds of tragic events that are happening more and more in our country. I like many don't blame guns for the actions of these criminals, but I hope we can come together and work a possible solution to these heinous acts against our innocent people.

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yes there is get rid of your guns problem solve
look at canada we don't have 9mm pistols and assist rifles at our local stores guess what we haven't had major shoots out in long time if we did the guns came from USA and always deal with gangs

guns don't keep people safe guns just going hurt people thats it

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Originally Posted by mynd

These people are not criminals. Insane people cannot be criminals.
There is something deeper going on in the mind of these people, and it appears to be a product of the society around them.
We are all a product of the society in which we are bought up in, our circumstances go straight to the core of our values and our mental state of well being.

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Agreed.
There is no doubt that these actions are beyond criminal, there is no one word that can describe those who carry out these events.

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Originally Posted by djpenny

yes there is get rid of your guns problem solve
look at canada we don't have 9mm pistols and assist rifles at our local stores guess what we haven't had major shoots out in long time if we did the guns came from USA and always deal with gangs

guns don't keep people safe guns just going hurt people thats it

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So far fetched. Canada has one of the highest gun ownership numbers in the world.

Good post, Vulgotha. I had a feeling you would deliver.

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Just improve airport securities...

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Simply making cabin doors stronger is both easier and cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

America was the only land which got attacks from their own stolen aircrafts. Its America, what else should i say?

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What kind of rhetorical statement is that? Before the events of 9/11 a plane has never been used as a weapon. What, did planes from Europe have magical 'terrorist' detecting devices that would have prevented the hijacking of a plane there? "Those silly Americans, not being prepared for world changing events that they couldn't have predicted!"

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Originally Posted by djpenny

yes there is get rid of your guns problem solve
look at canada we don't have 9mm pistols and assist rifles at our local stores guess what we haven't had major shoots out in long time if we did the guns came from USA and always deal with gangs

guns don't keep people safe guns just going hurt people thats it

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Your post is ridiculous. Have you read any of the thread? You really should.

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Originally Posted by keefy

I understand the 12 gauge slug i.e its not multiple pellets and more like a bullet?
But the other things I have no clue.

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Take a trip to wikipedia/google/bing.

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Just improve airport securities...
America was the only land which got attacks from their own stolen aircrafts. Its America, what else should i say?

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There have been plenty of hijackings of aircraft belonging to/operated by european airliners.

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Originally Posted by djpenny

yes there is get rid of your guns problem solve
look at canada we don't have 9mm pistols and assist rifles at our local stores guess what we haven't had major shoots out in long time if we did the guns came from USA and always deal with gangs

guns don't keep people safe guns just going hurt people thats it

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Canada is irrelevant.

You can't compare a country of 30 million to one of 310 million (along with various other significant differences).

Could they add metal scanners into the schools so that people have to be scanned before going in? My local college in UK has them now, they been there for years only way to enter the college is to get scanned and checked in.

So basically in short, "ban guns" isn't solving anything, but there should be changes and better background check on people who are trying to get license to carry a gun. Maybe changes what kind of guns too. But you will not solve anything just focusing on that, because these kind of people as the shooter need HELP. There should be better services for people who have mental issues and everyone who wants help should receive one.

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Originally Posted by Chille

Could they add metal scanners into the schools so that people have to be scanned before going in? My local college in UK has them now, they been there for years only way to enter the college is to get scanned and checked in.

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What would this prevent? Unless there were armed personnel there, the individual could just lay into everyone.

Knives, guns, brass knuckles, explosives..

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Originally Posted by Rapture

Good post, Vulgotha. I had a feeling you would deliver.



Simply making cabin doors stronger is both easier and cheaper.



What kind of rhetorical statement is that? Before the events of 9/11 a plane has never been used as a weapon. What, did planes from Europe have magical 'terrorist' detecting devices that would have prevented the hijacking of a plane there? "Those silly Americans, not being prepared for world changing events that they couldn't have predicted!"



Your post is ridiculous. Have you read any of the thread? You really should.

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Im not talking about the aircraft security but about the airport overall security. Is it so hard to understand how different those two are? In order to get an aircraft you have to get there with weapons and devices before you hijack it.

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Originally Posted by Chille

Could they add metal scanners into the schools so that people have to be scanned before going in? My local college in UK has them now, they been there for years only way to enter the college is to get scanned and checked in.

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Many schools give out passes and people have to check in. It seems good and def works to those abiding by it, but if someone wants to do something no amount of metal detectors or check in will stop them. Well the dumb ones may get caught.

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Originally Posted by Vulgotha

What would this prevent? Unless there were armed personnel there, the individual could just lay into everyone.

Knives, guns, brass knuckles, explosives..

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Guess thats true, but it would help to make sure theres a fast response time if anything is found, even if it doesnt stop it from happening, it could still make a difference.

If Conneticut had concealed carry then maybe this guy would have been taken out before he had a chance to kill anybody. Or if there was open carry he might not have done it at all when he sees in plain sight that there are armed citizens that are able to defend themselves with lethal force. Gun control only disarms law abiding citizens and this guy would have just chose another method in which to kill or would have bought a gun on the black market.

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Im not talking about the aircraft security but about the airport overall security. Is it so hard to understand how different those two are? In order to get an aircraft you have to get there with weapons and devices before you hijack it.

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If the intention is to hijack planes, then you only need to make it more difficult or impossible for people to get into the cabins. Done! If you issue is a bombing or shooting, you realize you don't need an airport for that, right? I purported a cheaper and easier solution.

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Originally Posted by Chille

Could they add metal scanners into the schools so that people have to be scanned before going in? My local college in UK has them now, they been there for years only way to enter the college is to get scanned and checked in.

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Good in itneitons but I have to ask if it's practical. There's well over 100,000 schools in the United states.

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Originally Posted by Chille

Could they add metal scanners into the schools so that people have to be scanned before going in? My local college in UK has them now, they been there for years only way to enter the college is to get scanned and checked in.

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Most schools already have this in place. My kids elementary school has it. The doors are locked beyond the office where you have to go to get let in after school has started. Just like this school involved in this tragedy.

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Originally Posted by Mael Duin

So basically in short, "ban guns" isn't solving anything, but there should be changes and better background check on people who are trying to get license to carry a gun. Maybe changes what kind of guns too. But you will not solve anything just focusing on that, because these kind of people as the shooter need HELP. There should be better services for people who have mental issues and everyone who wants help should receive one.

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This guy didn't own a gun. The only real solution would be to eliminate guns 100% in this country and never allow another one to come to the country, EVER. That would be mean that this entire country didn't have any guns, even the military...

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Originally Posted by Chille

Guess thats true, but it would help to make sure theres a fast response time if anything is found, even if it doesnt stop it from happening, it could still make a difference.

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Fast response times... the shooting of these poor victims probably took less than five minutes. By the time the initial call was given for police, it was basically over unless the help was literally in the parking lot already.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

If the intention is to hijack planes, then you only need to make it more difficult or impossible for people to get into the cabins. Done! If you issue is a bombing or shooting, you realize you don't need an airport for that, right? I purported a cheaper and easier solution.



Good in itneitons but I have to ask if it's practical. There's well over 100,000 schools in the United states.

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You still dont get it:facepalm:
When you want to hijack a plane is not like hijacking a car on a public parking where the only security available is the cars one. If you want to hijack an aircraft you have to bypass the whole airport security with weapons and hijacking devices. Its not the planes security that matters but the airports.

No. Quite evidently you are the one who does not understand, then.

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Originally Posted by F34R

So far fetched. Canada has one of the highest gun ownership numbers in the world.

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all them are for hunting i can't buy ak or 9mm

http://kotaku.com/5968569/fox-news-l...nt-video-games

That didn't take long.

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We have yet to hear all the details on today's horrific shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, which claimed the lives of 27 people this morning. News is still trickling in as we learn about what happened, how it happened, and why it happened.
But Fox News is already bringing in experts to link the massacre to reality TV, Facebook, and... computer games. Of course. You can watch the clip above.

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This guy didn't own a gun. The only real solution would be to eliminate guns 100% in this country and never allow another one to come to the country, EVER. That would be mean that this entire country didn't have any guns, even the military...

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I didn't say anything about eliminating guns 100%. What kind of guns did the guy use? Are those for example good for hunting? Not manhunting. No, I'm not supporting "ban all guns" because its utopic and stupid idea but you have to admit that there should be changes in current gun policy.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

No. Quite evidently you are the one who does not understand, then.

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Looks like american schools dont suffer only in security but also in education...
First you post something about Norway which has absolutely nothing to do with switzerland and now you say that improving pilot cabins is the best option? Lol no the best option is to establish an airport security which doesnt give access to planes so people hijack them...

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Originally Posted by djpenny

all them are for hunting i can't buy ak or 9mm

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They still own guns... Also, just because you can't go to a store and buy it, does that mean they don't exist?

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Originally Posted by F34R

They still own guns... Also, just because you can't go to a store and buy it, does that mean they don't exist?

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our gangs get them from usa

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Originally Posted by djpenny

our gangs get them from usa

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smh. You can buy handguns in Canada... it's not just Gangs. Not all handguns are illegal in your country. Just by your saying that people illegally can get weapons, means taking them away from legal owners doesn't do ANY GOOD at all.

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Originally Posted by Cybertox

Looks like american schools dont suffer only in security but also in education...
First you post something about Norwey which has absolutely nothing to do with switzerland and now you say that improving pilot cabins is the best option? Lol no the best option is to establish an airport security which doesnt give access to people who hijack planes.

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Oh, so you're not only insulting my intelligence (and potentially the other Americans here) after not understanding my posts, but now you've confused me with MATRIX 2. The irony. You should realize and attempt to understand my responses to you before you decide to act like an ass. I already made my argument clear once before, but I'll do it again for your benefit: If the agenda is to hijack a plane then stronger doors would prohibit that. If instead the goal is to cause a shooting or bombing, then an airport isn't necessary; one could easily just bomb a subway, a large building, or a movie theater.

You really should watch your tone next time.